From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Sep 1 01:40:27 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/Blacker) id e815eRC26326 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 01:40:27 -0400 From: "Kelly Minnick" To: Subject: RE: Heads Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 21:39:18 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c013ce$96fe1ac0$fa05193f@minnick> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <27805335C7CAD31198E8009027D5EDEE4E8B52@Rcexs2> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I'm certainly not the authority on anything, just throwing out what little I know for discussion (I get bored sometimes). I'm always willing to learn, too! I'd love to do the Kern thing, but will be priming and hopefully painting my son's 2002 BMW. Lots of work cutting out the cancer, sand blasting, sanding, welding, etc. I have to finish his project before I can move on to my Saab 96...!! Later, Kelly Minnick > > > If I misrepresented the mechanics at work in the process, by all > means, give > me more details on what's really going on. > > Ignorance sucks! :^) > > -Dave G. > > PS - We're headin' for the Kern on Monday.....Wanna go? :^) > From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Sep 1 11:36:10 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/Blacker) id e81FaAX27010 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 11:36:10 -0400 From: GElam30092@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 10:28:41 EDT Subject: Unsubscribing? To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 112 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Does anyone have the unsubscribe instructions handy? I need to drop off for a few days. Thanks! Gerry From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Sep 1 11:38:24 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/Blacker) id e81FcOR27028 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 11:38:24 -0400 From: GElam30092@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 10:30:58 EDT Subject: was unsubscribe now ..... nevermind To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 112 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Sorry..... decided to try majordomo@fourfold.org with the standard unsubscribe mendo_recce. It worked! Cheers, Gerry From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Sep 1 12:31:04 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/Blacker) id e81GV4327146 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 12:31:04 -0400 Message-ID: <27805335C7CAD31198E8009027D5EDEE4E8B58@Rcexs2> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Re: Fwd: RE: Heads Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 09:25:18 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org HELP ME! Which statement of mine is "quite wrong"? I understand that the things your friend said are true..........okay....take some breaths.......read all the posts, very carefully and slowly......... Okay......At the last, your friend says "....Now if the bolt is smaller, the case is true...." I think this is maybe the crux of things. As I mentioned to Kelly Minnick yesterday, the only time I ever replaced re-usable head bolts with non-reusable ones was on a 2.2L Chrysler 4. Those bolts were indeed necked down further than the bolts they replaced. In hindsight, I guess it's this reduction of area playing a bigger role than the material properties in achieving the goals that make the non-reusable bolts more effective for producing a reliable clamping force on the heads. I try not to let stuff like this get to me, but it always does. Personal pride, or something like that. I care. My goal was to try and translate some of the engineering stuff into understandable terms, and to help Paul be a little more comfortable with the newer, and better design which it seemed he distrusted for lack of understanding. Don't get me wrong. It's good to bring as many different viewpoints as possible to the table, in order to get things hashed out, and get to the final answer. I don't think anybody here can give the final, be-all, end-all flat answer to any question asked. But, the context, wording, and aim, of my original message was to try and be helpful. I don't think posting statements like: "......Actually the person who wrote this is quite wrong. I hope he's not an engineer designing life critical things....." serve that end. I also don't think some textbook definitions of tensile strength and elasticity serve the end very well either. I made a number of points and analogies in the original post to try and help people understand the concepts involved. I stand by all of them, and my original helpful intent. If I was a little reckless with the term "tensile strength" toward the end of the original post, I apologize. I thought the term would conjure up the right idea in most folks' heads. My goal was not to provide technically complete and letter-perfect definitions of engineering terms and their relationships. My focus was on the main idea, that angular displacement of non-reusable head bolts is a more reliable method of establishing head clamping force than torque specs on reusable bolts, and on creating some analogies to help folks understand why. I guess that's why I freaked a little bit at the "quite wrong" bit. It took me some time and reading to figure out that, I think, the guy was pointing at my admittedly "fast and loose" use of the term tensile strength. Guilty as charged. I've found it's comparatively easy to quote textbook definitions than to establish a real understanding in folks minds based on their own real-world experiences. I took some liberties with the former, in the interest of the latter. I apologize if my original post was counter productive as a result, but I don't think it was for most people. I would be thrilled to see someone reply with a counterpoint stating that, " your analogy is a little off, here's a better one....", as Kelly sort of did with the temperature bit. But I think the fellow rehashing the definitions of tensile strength and elasticity pretty much missed my point entirely. I'm talking too much, but I would just like to say, try to keep things productive and progressive. If there's something you don't understand, or a point that needs clarification, point it out. Ask specific questions. I'm afraid that when the general populous reads,"....Actually the person who wrote this is quite wrong...." they may flush the whole explanation, throw the conceptual baby out with the technical definition bath water, and thereby be cheated out of some understanding. Now I'm going to go on reading the rest of the posts from yesterday evening and see what you all thought. Sorry for the bandwidth, but you know me. I don't keep stuff bottled up on my mind very long, and you all end up hearing what I'm thinking before too long. :^) Incidentally, I feel REALLY good about the fact that while this stuff was being posted yestereve, I was actually out doing some FABULOUS wheeling with some great friends, one old and one new. Winching up slick rocks in a pouring rain, picking lines up granite-gravel mogul hills among developing down-rushing rivers, seeing our way through to some heart-stopping vistas as the breaking clouds drifted through the Platte River valley at sunset, and finally making our way out up more rocks and moguls under the stars in total darkness. Being a struggling, participating part of God's great creation like that puts petty things like my reaction to someone else's unfounded opinion of my engineering abilities into all the right kinds of perspective. :^))))))) Sorry for the venting. -Dave G. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Sep 1 12:32:42 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/Blacker) id e81GWgZ27153 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 12:32:42 -0400 From: "Blair Peterson" To: "Mendo \(E-mail\)" Subject: L-R Pickups Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 08:34:55 -0700 Message-ID: <002401c0142a$2e2f2f00$6bc9adce@BlairPC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I have a 66 109 that I'd like to make into a pickup someday, once the right truck cab is found, then a 3/4 canvas... does that count? Cheers PS: There are also a few seldom-moving 88s in Lovelock, an hour or two west of Winnemucca. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Sep 1 13:00:30 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/Blacker) id e81H0U127190 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 13:00:30 -0400 Message-ID: <6717C84A8642D2119F1700A0C9D5D9F4034448DE@menlomail.exponent.com> From: John Pye To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #226 Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 08:49:46 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org My two cents on the bolt thread :): 1. Bolts can typically be reused unless the application calls for loading into the plastic region. How can you tell where the plastic region begins? Bolts are specified with something called a "Proof Load" which is very close to the yield point (the transition point between elastic and plastic behavior). Permanent connections (i.e. ones for which you must discard the fasteners if the joint is disassembled ) are typically loaded up to 90% of the bolt proof load. Reused connections are typically loaded to 75% of the bolt proof load. At 75% of the proof load, bolt "set" (the permanent deformation of the bolt) is virtually non-existent - and so the bolt can be reused. 2. Nuts should never be reused! Unlike a bolt, the nut takes the entire clamping load in the first thread - this thread then yields so that the load is distributed among the first three threads (first thread being that closest to the head of the bolt). This yielding is present in just about every situation - thus, never reuse nuts. 3. When assembling a threaded connection with a nut and a bolt - hold the bolt stationary and twist the nut. This keeps the bolt shank from feeling the thread friction torque. 4. Torque specs are a very inaccurate way of measuring the preload of a threaded connection. However, a torque spec is an easy thing to write and even easier thing to measure. When an accurate determination of bolt preload is necessary, a direct measure of the clamping force or of bolt stretch should be made. With long/big bolts - such as those you might find in a big marine diesel engine, this is exactly what is done (with a long/big bolt, the stretch is pretty easy to measure). The final way to measure bolt stretch (and thus preload) is the "turn-of nut" method. From a snug tight condition, a certain number of turns is specified. Since there is a geometric relationship between the number of turns of the nut and the extension of the bolt, this is a very accurate way to specify preload. However, "snug-tight" is sometimes a condition that is difficult to evaluate - particularly if the treads are mucked up - so, manufacturers use a torque spec. The notable exception to this is your oil filter. Here, due to the gasket, the only way to achieve a consistent clamping force is to specify a number of turns. Some statistics: 1. Torques measured by a torque wrench as an indicator of bolt preload have a variation of about 15% for un-lubricated bolts. 2. Torques measured by a torque wrench as an indicator of bolt preload have a variation of about 9% for lubricated bolts. More information on this subject can be obtained for Shigley & Mischke, "Mechanical Engineering Design". John Pye, Ph.D. Senior Engineer Exponent Failure Analysis Associates 650.688.7120 jpye@exponent.com From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Sep 1 13:31:43 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/Blacker) id e81HVh627231 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 13:31:43 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.32.20000901092129.007d9980@shell14.ba.best.com> X-Sender: daniel5@shell14.ba.best.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 09:21:31 -0700 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Daniel Oppenheim Subject: Re: L-R Pickups Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Of course Blair, we will have to hold a meeting of the sanctioned picker-uppers, and make a ruling. Your strong desire to WANT a pick-up will be taken into account. The governing board is less concerned about the canvas. We will notify you by mail of our findings before the next millennium. In the interim, you are welcome to attend all PU functions, as a member-in-waiting. Daniel At 08:34 AM 09/01/2000 -0700, you wrote: >I have a 66 109 that I'd like to make into a pickup someday, once the right >truck cab is found, then a 3/4 canvas... does that count? > >Cheers > >PS: There are also a few seldom-moving 88s in Lovelock, an hour or two west >of Winnemucca. > > > From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Sep 1 13:34:50 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/Blacker) id e81HYol27242 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 13:34:50 -0400 Message-ID: <27805335C7CAD31198E8009027D5EDEE4E8B61@Rcexs2> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: Bolt info [was:Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #226] Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 10:29:21 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Thanks John (Pye)! Great info on nuts, bolts, and torquing. "....can be obtained for Shigley & Mischke,...." - excellent text, IMHO ".....Exponent Failure Analysis Associates...." - sounds like you have a fun job! :^) -Dave G. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sun Sep 3 12:15:25 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/Blacker) id e83GFPp31536 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 12:15:25 -0400 Message-ID: <20000903143450.9565.qmail@nwcst318.netaddress.usa.net> Date: 3 Sep 00 08:34:50 MDT From: jjp4 To: Subject: Hello X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (34FM.0700.4.03) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by moab.off-road.com id IAA17738 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Is the list still up? I haven't received anything for 2 days. I am beginning to get the shakes, I need my fix. Joe ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sun Sep 3 13:08:45 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/Blacker) id e83H8jO31582 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 13:08:45 -0400 Message-ID: <39B274B7.F2FD42CD@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2000 08:56:39 -0700 From: "Franklin H. Yap" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Hello References: <20000903143450.9565.qmail@nwcst318.netaddress.usa.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org jjp4 wrote: > > Is the list still up? I haven't received anything for 2 days. I am beginning > to get the shakes, I need my fix. > Maybe they all went to Portland? btw, I think next week is the Palo Alto gathering. I saw someone driving a Morgan at a gas station and he asked me if I knew about the Palo Alto show. He commented that the LR contingent probably has someone waiting outside the grounds with spray on mud. Frank From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sun Sep 3 13:49:56 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/Blacker) id e83HnuA31630 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 13:49:56 -0400 Message-ID: <20000903164228.18977.qmail@www0a.netaddress.usa.net> Date: 3 Sep 00 10:42:28 MDT From: jjp4 To: Subject: Thanks for the fix X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (34FM.0700.4.03) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by moab.off-road.com id JAA19022 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Thanks I think I can make it through the rest of the weekend. I guess I should keep track of the events. I thought there might be something but couldn't remember. I like the comment regarding the spray on mud. I guess for the rovers that don't leak they issue an adjustable flow bag (like an IV). Joe ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sun Sep 3 22:25:48 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/Blacker) id e842Pmx32145 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 22:25:48 -0400 X-Originating-IP: [24.1.20.133] From: "Fil F." To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Hello Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 09:18:19 PHT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Sep 2000 01:18:19.0543 (UTC) FILETIME=[029ADA70:01C0160E] Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org frank, the list seems quite , lots of folks taking in the long weekend, are you going to PA next week , i think it's neex week, we can park onthe mall and have our ouw show, i'll bring the 109, i finally got all the lights to turn on, i think i still got a short the left headlight has no low beam, on high, also put on a spin on for the oil filter cheers, fil >From: "Franklin H. Yap" >Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Subject: Re: Hello >Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2000 08:56:39 -0700 > >jjp4 wrote: > > > > Is the list still up? I haven't received anything for 2 days. I am >beginning > > to get the shakes, I need my fix. > > > > > >Maybe they all went to Portland? > >btw, I think next week is the Palo Alto gathering. I saw someone >driving a Morgan at a gas station and he asked me if I knew about the >Palo Alto show. He commented that the LR contingent probably has >someone waiting outside the grounds with spray on mud. > >Frank _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Sep 4 13:29:58 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/Blacker) id e84HTwA01146 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 4 Sep 2000 13:29:58 -0400 Message-ID: <39B3CB26.13EC03BA@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 09:17:42 -0700 From: "Franklin H. Yap" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Hello References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "Fil F." wrote: > > the list seems quite , lots of folks taking in the long weekend, are you > going to PA next week , i think it's neex week, we can park onthe mall and > have our ouw show, i'll bring the 109, i finally got all the lights to turn > on, i think i still got a short the left headlight has no low beam, on high, > also put on a spin on for the oil filter > Sounds good. I'll bring the box for you. Frank From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Sep 4 19:45:11 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/Blacker) id e84NjB001653 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 4 Sep 2000 19:45:11 -0400 Message-ID: <20000904223734.15809.qmail@nwcst315.netaddress.usa.net> Date: 4 Sep 00 16:37:34 MDT From: jjp4 To: Subject: british car meet X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (34FM.0700.4.03) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by moab.off-road.com id PAA09095 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Regarding the British car meet this comming weekend, could I have some info on the date(s) and location. If it is more than one day is there a day that is best? Is there an entrance fee of is it free? Thanks Joe ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Mon Sep 4 23:29:52 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/Blacker) id e853TqO02103 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 4 Sep 2000 23:29:52 -0400 Message-ID: <006001c016e0$7b9ac5c0$7500000a@kklaptop> From: "Kevin Kelly" To: "Mendo List" Subject: Sherwood Road in the Summer Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 19:24:48 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Dave G. wrote: >I was actually out doing some FABULOUS wheeling >with some great friends, one old and one new. Winching >up slick rocks in a pouring rain, picking lines up granite- >gravel mogul hills among developing down-rushing rivers, >seeing our way through to some heart-stopping vistas This reminds me of the great views that Shannon and I had on the Sherwood Road (of Mud Run fame) this weekend. We were in Mendocino and I decided to see what the road looks like in the summer (without mud). It was a lot different than in the winter. The road itself was recently bladed we could have driven to Willits in Shannon's Honda. We found some side trails to explore that were pretty challenging. I am always amazed what a stock Range Rover can get through. Kevin Kelly From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue Sep 5 02:03:44 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/Blacker) id e8563iI02964 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 02:03:44 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Message-Id: Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 21:43:12 -0700 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: MRay000000@aol.com (by way of john hess) Subject: Landie trivia Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I get mail from all sorts. Any takers on this one? cheers, John Hess Hey, John! I'm doing research on Land Rover. I'm looking for interesting Landie facts (Paul McCartney wrote a song about his, King George VI drove one, etc). Any contributions would be greatly appreciated. Mark Ray Austin, TX From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue Sep 5 02:03:45 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/Blacker) id e8563jl02967 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 02:03:45 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20000904223734.15809.qmail@nwcst315.netaddress.usa.net> References: <20000904223734.15809.qmail@nwcst315.netaddress.usa.net> Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 21:53:44 -0700 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: john hess Subject: Re: british car meet Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Regarding the British car meet this comming weekend, could I have some info on >the date(s) and location. If it is more than one day is there a day that is >best? Is there an entrance fee of is it free? > >Thanks > >Joe > There is something scheduled for Saturday, but generally, the get together is Sunday, on the lawn in Palo Alto. Specifically, on the grass, East side of the street, across from the Stanford Mall on El Camino Real, Palo Alto. Just north of University Ave, South of the creek that separates Menlo Park from Palo Alto. It costs $20 to park your truck on grass, free to wander in and look around. The rovers are usually very numerous, and there is often a communal pot luck. The list might have some discussion later. cheers, John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Land Rover Dormobile web pages: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby" 1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue Sep 5 04:35:56 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/Blacker) id e858ZuC03166 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 04:35:56 -0400 X-Originating-IP: [207.24.12.89] From: "Peter Ogilvie" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Landie trivia Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 21:28:22 HST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Sep 2000 07:28:22.0616 (UTC) FILETIME=[DF14AD80:01C0170A] Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org What song was that????? >(Paul McCartney wrote a song about his, King George VI drove one, etc). Any >contributions would be greatly appreciated. >Mark Ray >Austin, TX _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue Sep 5 11:51:22 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/Blacker) id e85FpMt03716 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 11:51:22 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 07:41:23 -0700 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: john hess Subject: Re: Landie trivia Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I seem to remember it was Helen Wheels? Wings, not Beatles days. Ram on >What song was that????? > > >>(Paul McCartney wrote a song about his, King George VI drove one, etc). Any >>contributions would be greatly appreciated. >>Mark Ray >>Austin, TX > >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Land Rover Dormobile web pages: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby" 1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue Sep 5 12:46:20 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/Blacker) id e85GkKR03884 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 12:46:20 -0400 Date: 5 Sep 2000 08:39:08 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Michal Slade" To: mendo_recce@moab.off-road.com X-Sender: web79245@dreamlab.cc Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Nikon's for sale (no LR content) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org HI guys, Sorry for the lack of content here too, but I know there are several Mendo-ites who are camera buffs that might be interested. I have one Nikon F5 body, and one Nikkor 20-35 f/2.8 for sale. Both are users and are between and 8 and 9 in condition (10 being new and 10+ being mint/unused). Both have all the boxes, papers, and both warranty cards are blank. Price for the F5 is $1200 and the lens is $600. Take 'em both and get a sweet deal. If they aren't gone in a week they're going on Ebay. If you're in the Portland area, I'll even let you pick which body (I have 2) you want. I only need one, and the cash will help finance my second D1 (I've gone almost completely digital now). Sorry again to be so blatantly commercial. It was nice to see many of you this weekend at the PABFM. Those regulars who didn't come were missed. :( Later! MS From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue Sep 5 13:55:58 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/Blacker) id e85Htw804006 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 13:55:58 -0400 From: Gbrovers@aol.com Message-ID: <75.939ca41.26e67dcf@aol.com> Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 12:48:15 EDT Subject: dream PU To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac - Post-GM sub 147 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Paul I am building my dream L/R PU. I have a Euro spec 1968 109. It was originally a 2.6L 6 cylinder but I am installing a 3.0L P5 engine. I am also installing Salisbury axles both FRONT and rear along with traction diffs. The PU cab on this unit is also fully trimmed with upholstery. I have not seen any like this on any original U.S. spec vehicles. All of the ones I have seen are basicly stripped units. I also have a 1960 88 with a PU cab. I use it for snow plowing because of the visabilty factor. This vehicle was originally a station wagon and I intend to return it to that spec. I may sell the PU cab at that point Bill Great Basin Rovers From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue Sep 5 14:39:37 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/Blacker) id e85Idb704049 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 14:39:37 -0400 Message-ID: <20000905175135.785.qmail@web703.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 10:51:35 -0700 (PDT) From: KC Subject: RE: Re: Fwd: RE: Heads To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Dave et all: I apologize for forwarding on a friend's comments about your info. on head bolts as I did--I think he was just adding his 2 cents worth and trying to correct a misunderstanding he had. I should have led the concersation differently than I did, and was certainly not trying to point out incorrect info., but instead add to the discussion from a side discussion I had with an engineer friend of mine. I am not an engineer so all this info. is very educational and informative to me, and I'm sure it is to all here, as we all like to learn more. Please continue to teach us less educated on engineering concepts, and again, my apologies for the pain my forward info. my have caused. Sorry for the delay in this post--I was climbing in Yosemite. KC Mares --- "Gomes, David" wrote: > HELP ME! > > Which statement of mine is "quite wrong"? I understand that the things > your > friend said are true..........okay....take some breaths.......read all the > posts, very carefully and slowly......... > > Okay......At the last, your friend says "....Now if the bolt is smaller, > the > case is true...." I think this is maybe the crux of things. As I > mentioned > to Kelly Minnick yesterday, the only time I ever replaced re-usable head > bolts with non-reusable ones was on a 2.2L Chrysler 4. Those bolts were > indeed necked down further than the bolts they replaced. In hindsight, I > guess it's this reduction of area playing a bigger role than the material > properties in achieving the goals that make the non-reusable bolts more > effective for producing a reliable clamping force on the heads. > > I try not to let stuff like this get to me, but it always does. Personal > pride, or something like that. I care. My goal was to try and translate > some of the engineering stuff into understandable terms, and to help Paul > be > a little more comfortable with the newer, and better design which it > seemed > he distrusted for lack of understanding. > > Don't get me wrong. It's good to bring as many different viewpoints as > possible to the table, in order to get things hashed out, and get to the > final answer. I don't think anybody here can give the final, be-all, > end-all flat answer to any question asked. But, the context, wording, and > aim, of my original message was to try and be helpful. I don't think > posting statements like: > > "......Actually the person who wrote this is quite wrong. I hope > he's not an engineer designing life critical things....." > > serve that end. I also don't think some textbook definitions of tensile > strength and elasticity serve the end very well either. I made a number > of > points and analogies in the original post to try and help people > understand > the concepts involved. I stand by all of them, and my original helpful > intent. If I was a little reckless with the term "tensile strength" > toward > the end of the original post, I apologize. I thought the term would > conjure > up the right idea in most folks' heads. My goal was not to provide > technically complete and letter-perfect definitions of engineering terms > and > their relationships. > > My focus was on the main idea, that angular displacement of non-reusable > head bolts is a more reliable method of establishing head clamping force > than torque specs on reusable bolts, and on creating some analogies to > help > folks understand why. I guess that's why I freaked a little bit at the > "quite wrong" bit. It took me some time and reading to figure out that, I > think, the guy was pointing at my admittedly "fast and loose" use of the > term tensile strength. Guilty as charged. > > I've found it's comparatively easy to quote textbook definitions than to > establish a real understanding in folks minds based on their own > real-world > experiences. I took some liberties with the former, in the interest of > the > latter. I apologize if my original post was counter productive as a > result, > but I don't think it was for most people. I would be thrilled to see > someone reply with a counterpoint stating that, " your analogy is a little > off, here's a better one....", as Kelly sort of did with the temperature > bit. But I think the fellow rehashing the definitions of tensile strength > and elasticity pretty much missed my point entirely. > > I'm talking too much, but I would just like to say, try to keep things > productive and progressive. If there's something you don't understand, or > a > point that needs clarification, point it out. Ask specific questions. > I'm > afraid that when the general populous reads,"....Actually the person who > wrote this is quite wrong...." they may flush the whole explanation, throw > the conceptual baby out with the technical definition bath water, and > thereby be cheated out of some understanding. > > Now I'm going to go on reading the rest of the posts from yesterday > evening > and see what you all thought. Sorry for the bandwidth, but you know me. > I > don't keep stuff bottled up on my mind very long, and you all end up > hearing > what I'm thinking before too long. :^) > > Incidentally, I feel REALLY good about the fact that while this stuff was > being posted yestereve, I was actually out doing some FABULOUS wheeling > with > some great friends, one old and one new. Winching up slick rocks in a > pouring rain, picking lines up granite-gravel mogul hills among developing > down-rushing rivers, seeing our way through to some heart-stopping vistas > as the breaking clouds drifted through the Platte River valley at sunset, > and finally making our way out up more rocks and moguls under the stars in > total darkness. Being a struggling, participating part of God's great > creation like that puts petty things like my reaction to someone else's > unfounded opinion of my engineering abilities into all the right kinds of > perspective. :^))))))) > > Sorry for the venting. > > -Dave G. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue Sep 5 17:57:51 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/Blacker) id e85Lvph00485 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 17:57:51 -0400 X-Sender: mccauley@192.168.1.1 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200009041739.e84Hddn01167@guinness.ovlr.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 13:46:01 -0700 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Tony McCauley Subject: Re: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #228 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >going to PA next week , i think it's next week, Fil Is the PA leak on the lawn next week? Tony McCauley From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue Sep 5 18:58:48 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/Blacker) id e85MwmL00537 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 18:58:48 -0400 Message-Id: <200009052147.OAA06633@proxy2.ba.best.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Tom Walsh" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 14:44:08 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: palo alto lawn leak CC: "Shane Ballensky" X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.31) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Its looking like both Sean Murphy and I will have the 101's at the leak on Sunday ( Sean recently aquired an ambulance ) So I was wondering who else might be thinking of going? In my opinion, the more 101's the merrier! I've spoken with a few others So we'll see! Leme Know.... If I could get a few more drivers maybe I could get more of my Rovers down there. TomW *---------*---------* tomw@best.com From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue Sep 5 20:06:00 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/Blacker) id e86060P00611 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 20:06:00 -0400 From: GElam30092@aol.com Message-ID: <55.a817d17.26e6d420@aol.com> Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 18:56:32 EDT Subject: The Mojave... another great trip. To: mendo_recce@moab.off-road.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 119 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Well, I just finished the Mojave trip that was quite a bit of fun even for this time of the year. I left PHX on Friday afternoon and met a J##per friend in Needles, CA for the night. The other Discovery and D-90 backed out at the last moment for a family emergency. They were a father and son-in-law combo and the family emergency involved the wife/daughter. We got up early on Saturday and got on the trail after a leisurely breakfast. We only covered about 50 miles the first day making quite a few stops for this, that and the other......taking pictures, looking at the sites, chasing lizards, etc. We spent that night near Rock Springs which is at about 4000 ft. (guessing) and it was quite, quite cold that night. I did bring my laptop and ham radio and used the two along with a mode of operation called PSK31 which uses the computer's soundcard as an analog/digital device. All you really do is connect the sound output of the radio to the input of the sound card and the output of the soundcard to the mic input of the computer. The computer program allows keyboard to keyboard contacts. I was able to contact a ham each night and each time, that ham operator was more than willing to send an e-mail to my daughter letting her know where we were. On contact was all the way to Argentina using only 5 watts from my radio but that's anther story! The second night, we camped near Kelso Dunes and the temp. was much more agreeable. On both nights, the sky was incredibly clear and filled with stars! On the third day, we crossed Soda Lake which can be dangerous if wet. We didn't have any problems and continued towards the flood plain where I came as close as I've ever come to getting stuck! We made our way up Alton Canyon and exited just outside of the BLM campground. On the way out, I decided to go east on I-15 towards Las Vegas where the Zzyzx exit takes you to the old Zzyzx resort which was established by Dr. Springer in the 1940's. There's quite a tale in the Mojave Road Guide on the resort and it's been a dream to visit it since I read about it 5 years ago. I wasn't sure if I could get to it but the road had the signs for picnic tables, questions, etc at the Desert Studies Center so I drove on in. The place is now occupied by the UC-system as a Desert Studies Center. Since Dr. Springer and his wife was removed by force in the 70's, the resort has fallen into a state of disrepair but most of the buildings are still in place and available for rent by groups interested in desert studies. When I drove in, there is a house on the outskirts but no one seemed to be around so I gave myself a tour and thoroughly enjoyed it. One can easily imagine what it looked like in the 50's and 60's. Quite a resort for its time! It was simply a great trip. The temps were a bit warm during the day but it didn't exceed 100. We had enough food and water to feed a small army and I made a pvc-shower which was hung from the Discovery's rack at the end of the day. It's amazing how good a gallon of water can make you feel! We only saw four other vehicles the entire trip and help game and fish rescue a German shepherd who wandered into our camp at Rock Springs. This dog's family tree didn't have too many branches since we realized the dog was clearly out of his elements in the desert. He was literally scared of his own shadow. It didn't appear that he had been out very long since he was in good shape. He was amazingly thirsty considering the springs were only a couple of hundred yards away. If anyone wants to run the route again, I might suggest trying to use Zzyzx as a jumping off point. If you can convince them that the group is part of a desert studies/bird watching/etc. group, you can use the place at group rates which are dead cheap. Water, a group kitchen and a nice setting are worth the effort. (I'm not in PHX yet so any replies, questions, comments that you might need from me will need to be sent direct!) Cheers, Gerry PHX AZ From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue Sep 5 21:45:44 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/Blacker) id e861jij00894 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 21:45:44 -0400 Message-Id: <200009060045.RAA01552@blackie.cruzers.com> Subject: Re: palo alto lawn leak Date: Tue, 5 Sep 00 17:39:10 -0700 x-sender: twakeman@mail.cruzers.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: "mendo rec list" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >So I was wondering who else might be thinking of going? I'm planning on going. Haven't yet decided if the LR or the TR3 is going with me yet. TeriAnn Http:www.shadow-catcher.net Original photographs to view and purchase. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue Sep 5 21:58:31 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/Blacker) id e861wVY00930 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 21:58:31 -0400 Message-ID: <20000906004952.12897.qmail@web217.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 17:49:52 -0700 (PDT) From: joe mulqueen Subject: rochester prob? To: mendo MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hello, Since getting my truck back on the road, I've noticed a very strong stumbling that only occurs on left hand corners. It is very obvious while negotiating a normal right angle intersection in 1 or 2nd gear but it is also apparent while driving winding roads at higher speeds. I don't have any apparent ignition problems (all new and otherwise performing well). Could this be a "flooding" problem characteristic with a Rochester and maybe too high a float level? I'm running a #51 jet on the "larger" Rochester. Maybe I should first get the correct sized carb ....... JoeMulqueen '67 SIIA 109 SW __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Tue Sep 5 23:50:36 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/Blacker) id e863oaA01171 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 23:50:36 -0400 Message-Id: <200009060250.TAA07731@blackie.cruzers.com> Subject: Re: rochester prob? Date: Tue, 5 Sep 00 19:44:09 -0700 x-sender: twakeman@mail.cruzers.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: "mendo rec list" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Could this be a "flooding" problem characteristic with >a Rochester Rochesters are pretty good at working at strange angles. I never had a problem with the float on corners, curves or strange angles. >Maybe I should first get the correct sized carb ....... Never hurts to have the smallest venturi Rochester, 30.9mm if I remember. Could be you are dealing with a problem with the larger venturi. Any chance you have a loose ignition connection that opens on turns? ANy chance one of the floats is leaking? Did you add an electric fuel pump (high fuel pressure)? SOunds like a mysterious teething problem TeriAnn http://www.overlander.net The world's most complete set of links connecting Rover 4X4 owners with Rover parts, service, accessory & sales companies world wide. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Sep 6 00:01:18 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/Blacker) id e8641IN01235 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 00:01:18 -0400 Message-ID: <00d801c0179b$4001bf80$cb4b0740@baggarly.com> From: "Nick C. Baggarly" To: References: <20000906004952.12897.qmail@web217.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Having a child any time soon? Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 19:41:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org http://www.fao.com/FAOWeb/EComm/ProductPage.cfm?&ProdID=15F6E25E-2439-435B From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Sep 6 00:23:04 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/Blacker) id e864N4H01848 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 00:23:04 -0400 Message-ID: <001101c017b0$3af399e0$f902d1d1@computer> From: "Granville Pool" To: References: <75.939ca41.26e67dcf@aol.com> Subject: Re: dream PU Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 20:12:01 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Bill, That does sound like a sweet pickup you're building. I used to know a guy near where I live who had, in addition to his 109 SW, a rare, Euro-spec '65 Series IIA 88" pickup with a tropical top (pristine, no dents) and four individual side-folding rear bucket seats like an 88" station wagon. It was red and white. He disappeared, several years ago, to I don't know where and I've not seen the 88 again. I think that's the only tropical pickup top I've ever seen in person. Granny From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Sep 6 00:29:36 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/Blacker) id e864TaQ01861 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 00:29:36 -0400 Message-ID: <001d01c017b1$24462180$f902d1d1@computer> From: "Granville Pool" To: References: <200009060045.RAA01552@blackie.cruzers.com> Subject: Re: palo alto lawn leak Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 20:18:33 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > >So I was wondering who else might be thinking of going? I had planned to go but it's looking very unlikely. Granny From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Sep 6 00:48:49 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/Blacker) id e864mnw02008 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 00:48:49 -0400 Message-ID: <002d01c017b3$d383f800$f902d1d1@computer> From: "Granville Pool" To: References: <20000906004952.12897.qmail@web217.mail.yahoo.com> <00d801c0179b$4001bf80$cb4b0740@baggarly.com> Subject: Re: Having a child any time soon? Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 20:37:43 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I think the Range Rover at http://www.fao.com/FAOWeb/EComm/ProductPage.cfm?&ProdID=15F6E25E-2439-435B-B 4E211C307BF6C48 would be just the thing for a Christmas present for my grandson Deven, if it didn't cost nearly $20,000 (which is what I paid for my real one)! Granny From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Sep 6 02:21:27 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/Blacker) id e866LRo02135 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 02:21:27 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <75.939ca41.26e67dcf@aol.com> References: <75.939ca41.26e67dcf@aol.com> Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 22:03:28 -0700 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: john hess Subject: Re: dream PU Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Ah Bill, Nice dream rover. Myself, I love the sound of the 6 as compared to the 4 and had visions of putting a LR 6 in an 88. We do love Stubby, our 88 PU, but the bed is really close to useless. And weird as it seems, the bed holds water like most Land Rovers leak! >Paul > I am building my dream L/R PU. I have a Euro spec 1968 109. It was >originally a 2.6L 6 cylinder but I am installing a 3.0L P5 engine. I am also >installing Salisbury axles both FRONT and rear along with traction diffs. The >PU cab on this unit is also fully trimmed with upholstery. I have not seen >any like this on any original U.S. spec vehicles. All of the ones I have seen >are basicly stripped units. > I also have a 1960 88 with a PU cab. I use it for snow plowing because of >the visabilty factor. This vehicle was originally a station wagon and I >intend to return it to that spec. I may sell the PU cab at that point > >Bill >Great Basin Rovers John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Land Rover Dormobile web pages: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby" 1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Sep 6 02:14:28 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/Blacker) id e866ESN02124 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 02:14:28 -0400 From: Gbrovers@aol.com Message-ID: <95.356342.26e72aa8@aol.com> Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 01:05:44 EDT Subject: Re: dream PU To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac - Post-GM sub 147 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Granny Just don't hold your breath waiting to see it. Like most (all) of my projects, I don't have the time to work on it but one of these days. Bill GBR From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Sep 6 03:47:57 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/Blacker) id e867lvZ02197 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 03:47:57 -0400 Date: 6 Sep 2000 11:42:09 -0700 Message-ID: <001301c01832$2a71b3e0$0200a8c0@vaio> From: "Michael Slade" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org References: <200009060250.TAA07731@blackie.cruzers.com> Subject: For TRADE only Organization: DreamLab. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hey everyone. I aquired an interesting part a few weeks ago. I have absolutely no use for it, other than it's 'curiosity' factor. I picked it up from our favorite odd-ball (and procurer of all rare Land Rovers), Marc Hoffman. Here it is: Original 101 FC water pump with front pully thingie (I don't know what it's called, it looks like a slightly tapered cylinder bolted onto where the pully would normally go). Comes with original (barely usable to save your life) hose. I don't know many people who would need or even want such a thing. There is the typical aluminum scaling and remnants of a factory gasket, but I think it might be rebuildable. It's your call as to what this thing is worth. I don't care what I get in return, LR related or not, but make it interesting, as this part certainly is. The bidding starts at.....? From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Sep 6 11:11:36 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/Blacker) id e86FBaO02733 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 11:11:36 -0400 Message-ID: <16D03631929FD311BC5D009027D0CBB21759CD@vegmail.ucdavis.edu> From: "Kerner, Rob" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: rochester prob? Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 07:09:06 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Joe, I this occur with Regents Rochester. My problem turned out to be a lead plug had fallen out so when I took right hand turns gas was pouring out the hole. Worth looking for. -Rob -----Original Message----- From: joe mulqueen [mailto:joemulqueen@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 5:50 PM To: mendo Subject: rochester prob? Hello, Since getting my truck back on the road, I've noticed a very strong stumbling that only occurs on left hand corners. It is very obvious while negotiating a normal right angle intersection in 1 or 2nd gear but it is also apparent while driving winding roads at higher speeds. I don't have any apparent ignition problems (all new and otherwise performing well). Could this be a "flooding" problem characteristic with a Rochester and maybe too high a float level? I'm running a #51 jet on the "larger" Rochester. Maybe I should first get the correct sized carb ....... JoeMulqueen '67 SIIA 109 SW __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Sep 6 11:38:40 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/Blacker) id e86FceL02776 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 11:38:40 -0400 From: "Nick Eckert" To: Subject: Rear Door Latch Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 07:30:18 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Does anyone have a rear interior handle or lockable latch for a IIa available for sale? I was over at a friends house last night and he shows me the interior handle off his rear door. Unfortunately, we were sitting at his coffee table and not in his driveway. Seems the weld gave way and the handle broke off. He thought about drilling out the rivets, replacing the handle, then tapping the rivet holes and screwing the assy back together. I asked him to think differently about that, because his Land Rover is in immaculate shape and needs to retain it's originality. He is older and not very Landie or internet savvy and asked me what to do. I told him I would see what I could find. Cheers, Nick 1972 SIII Grommit for John 196? SIIa 109 Watusi From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Sep 6 15:38:23 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/Blacker) id e86JcN102995 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 15:38:23 -0400 Message-ID: <20000906182937.23492.qmail@web216.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 11:29:37 -0700 (PDT) From: joe mulqueen Subject: Series parts @ PAlto To: mendo MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hey you series owners! Let me know if anyone wants me to bring this stuff: 1 All plastic steering wheel. Has partial cracks. [$20] 1 Positive grnd fuel working tank sender. 1 SII (SI?) 4spd tunnel. This has the hinged top access door. Has a nice soft 4" rubber side plug. Tunnel has been modified for OD. [$20] Lots of orig glass. 1 Adjustable seat tray. 1 Fixed seat tray. 1 LH door top in fair cond. Lots of decent door rubber pieces. Less than 7 yrs old. Joe Mulqueen '67 SIIA 109 SW __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Wed Sep 6 21:25:03 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/Blacker) id e871P3Y00834 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 21:25:03 -0400 From: "Kelly Minnick" To: Subject: RE: Rear Door Latch Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 17:23:11 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c01861$ce206de0$5705193f@minnick> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Quite common for these to break. I think I replaced mine with hardware from a wrecking yard. I'd bet even an old screen door hardware would work, but that's probably NOT the answer you were looking for, eh? Kelly Minnick > > > Does anyone have a rear interior handle or lockable latch for a IIa > available for sale? > > I was over at a friends house last night and he shows me the > interior handle > off his rear door. Unfortunately, we were sitting at his coffee table and > not in his driveway. Seems the weld gave way and the handle broke off. > > He thought about drilling out the rivets, replacing the handle, > then tapping > the rivet holes and screwing the assy back together. I asked him to think > differently about that, because his Land Rover is in immaculate shape and > needs to retain it's originality. > > He is older and not very Landie or internet savvy and asked me what to do. > I told him I would see what I could find. > > Cheers, > > Nick 1972 SIII Grommit > for > John 196? SIIa 109 Watusi > > From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Sep 7 00:44:01 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/Blacker) id e874i1N01706 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 00:44:01 -0400 From: GElam30092@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 23:34:15 EDT Subject: Death Valley To: mendo_recce@moab.off-road.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 119 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Spent most of the day in Death Valley today. What an experience. I went down off of the Badwater area on a side road and was at -200 ft. altitude. I stopped for about an hour and set up the radio to see what kind of success I could get at that extreme. As I was sitting there in the middle of the valley, I felt something flutter in at my feet. I thought it was a piece of plastic or something but when I looked down, I realized it was a dove. It sat there and worked its way from the under the rear of the Discovery to under the front never leaving the shade.... for at least 15 minutes. I guess when there's no shade for miles around, you can't be too picky! Is it too soon to start talking about a New Years' Mojave trip?! Cheers, Gerry From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Sep 7 02:19:22 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/Blacker) id e876JMQ01813 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 02:19:22 -0400 Message-Id: <200009070519.WAA09756@blackie.cruzers.com> Subject: Re: Death Valley Date: Wed, 6 Sep 00 22:12:50 -0700 x-sender: twakeman@mail.cruzers.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: "mendo rec list" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Is it too soon to start talking about a New Years' Mojave trip?! Count me a tentitive yes. I am currently planning to go. TeriAnn http://www.overlander.net The world's most complete set of links connecting Rover 4X4 owners with Rover parts, service, accessory & sales companies world wide. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Sep 7 12:19:36 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/Blacker) id e87GJaP02433 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 12:19:36 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200009070519.WAA09756@blackie.cruzers.com> References: <200009070519.WAA09756@blackie.cruzers.com> Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 07:56:38 -0700 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: john hess Subject: Re: Death Valley Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Sounds good to the Hess clan, but watch out. Katherine hasn't seen the northern lights and has been checking out travel web sites, trying to get to Sweden(!) to hang out in saunas and look for the Aurora at night. This from a woman who hates to be cold and thinks 90 in the shade is nice. FWIW, I suggested Alaska. > >Is it too soon to start talking about a New Years' Mojave trip?! > >Count me a tentitive yes. I am currently planning to go. > > >TeriAnn > http://www.overlander.net > > The world's most complete set of links connecting Rover 4X4 owners > with Rover parts, service, accessory & sales companies world wide. John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Land Rover Dormobile web pages: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby" 1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Sep 7 13:19:53 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/Blacker) id e87HJri02473 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 13:19:53 -0400 From: "Paul Archibald" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 16:11:06 GMT Subject: Re: Death Valley X-Mailer: DMailWeb Web to Mail Gateway 2.3b, http://netwinsite.com/top_mail.htm Message-id: <39b7be1a.5a4.0@jps.net> X-User-Info: 216.49.48.30 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Sounds good to the Hess clan, but watch out. Katherine hasn't seen >the northern lights and has been checking out travel web sites, >trying to get to Sweden(!) to hang out in saunas and look for the >Aurora at night. This from a woman who hates to be cold and thinks >90 in the shade is nice. FWIW, I suggested Alaska. Over new years!!! ;-0 Alaska would be a great trip come to thonk of it... Paul > > > >> >Is it too soon to start talking about a New Years' Mojave trip?! >> >>Count me a tentitive yes. I am currently planning to go. >> >> >>TeriAnn >> http://www.overlander.net >> >> The world's most complete set of links connecting Rover 4X4 owners >> with Rover parts, service, accessory & sales companies world wide. > > > >John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us >Land Rover Dormobile web pages: >http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html >1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby" >1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" > > From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Sep 7 13:35:13 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/Blacker) id e87HZDv02527 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 13:35:13 -0400 From: "Blair Peterson" To: "Mendo \(E-mail\)" Subject: series door latch Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 09:36:25 -0700 Message-ID: <001e01c018e9$c4361860$b1051fd1@BlairPC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Nick, I know right where it broke off-- I had it rewelded myself once! Say hello to John for me. Cheers. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Sep 7 14:38:59 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/Blacker) id e87IcxZ02588 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 14:38:59 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.32.20000907102649.007e9c10@shell14.ba.best.com> X-Sender: daniel5@shell14.ba.best.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 10:26:51 -0700 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Daniel Oppenheim Subject: Re: Death Valley Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Julia and I are in for Alaska. Burrrrrr At 04:11 PM 09/07/2000 GMT, you wrote: >>Sounds good to the Hess clan, but watch out. Katherine hasn't seen >>the northern lights and has been checking out travel web sites, >>trying to get to Sweden(!) to hang out in saunas and look for the >>Aurora at night. This from a woman who hates to be cold and thinks >>90 in the shade is nice. FWIW, I suggested Alaska. >Over new years!!! > >;-0 > >Alaska would be a great trip come to thonk of it... > >Paul > > >> >> >> >>> >Is it too soon to start talking about a New Years' Mojave trip?! >>> >>>Count me a tentitive yes. I am currently planning to go. >>> >>> >>>TeriAnn >>> http://www.overlander.net >>> >>> The world's most complete set of links connecting Rover 4X4 owners >>> with Rover parts, service, accessory & sales companies world wide. >> >> >> >>John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us >>Land Rover Dormobile web pages: >>http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html >>1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby" >>1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" >> >> > > From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Sep 7 15:33:52 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/Blacker) id e87JXqd02639 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 15:33:52 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Michaels, Tim" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: Death Valley Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 11:24:59 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I grew up in Alaska and just got back from two weeks there. I'd never seen the northern lights in the summer, but this last time they were out in full force three nights in a row. It was a great excuse to stay up longer and drink more beer ;-) A great resource (actually, a necessary resource) for driving up the AlCan is The Milepost, a book published by Alaska Magazine. They update it yearly, and it gives you a mile-by-mile guide to all the attractions, gas stations, hotels, grocery stores, etc. If you really want to see much of Alaska though, plan on taking a month -- it takes 6 or 7 days of driving all day just to get there from SF. > -----Original Message----- > From: Daniel Oppenheim [mailto:daniel5@best.com] > Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2000 10:27 AM > To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > Subject: Re: Death Valley > > > Julia and I are in for Alaska. Burrrrrr > > At 04:11 PM 09/07/2000 GMT, you wrote: > >>Sounds good to the Hess clan, but watch out. Katherine hasn't seen > >>the northern lights and has been checking out travel web sites, > >>trying to get to Sweden(!) to hang out in saunas and look for the > >>Aurora at night. This from a woman who hates to be cold and thinks > >>90 in the shade is nice. FWIW, I suggested Alaska. > >Over new years!!! > > > >;-0 > > > >Alaska would be a great trip come to thonk of it... > > > >Paul > > > > > >> > >> > >> > >>> >Is it too soon to start talking about a New Years' Mojave trip?! > >>> > >>>Count me a tentitive yes. I am currently planning to go. > >>> > >>> > >>>TeriAnn > >>> http://www.overlander.net > >>> > >>> The world's most complete set of links connecting Rover > 4X4 owners > >>> with Rover parts, service, accessory & sales companies > world wide. > >> > >> > >> > >>John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us > >>Land Rover Dormobile web pages: > >>http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html > >>1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby" > >>1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" > >> > >> > > > > > From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Sep 7 16:07:04 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/Blacker) id e87K74W02697 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 16:07:04 -0400 Message-ID: <20000907185809.18997.qmail@web209.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 11:58:09 -0700 (PDT) From: joe mulqueen Subject: BBQ at PA To: mendo MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hello, Is anyone bringing a BBQ? I have a small iron hibachi if needed. I am lacking a shade awning, however.... Joemulqueen '67 SIIA 109 SW __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Sep 7 16:02:09 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/Blacker) id e87K29C02679 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 16:02:09 -0400 Message-ID: <20000907185309.18057.qmail@web209.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 11:53:09 -0700 (PDT) From: joe mulqueen Subject: Re: Rear Door Latch To: mendo MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I recently purchased a new one. It has a "fixed" tumbler that requires minor door trimming to fit. My old original latch (with tumbler attached to exterior handle) is available for nominal shipping & handling or a nice cold premium beverage at Palo Alto this Sun. It does require the "interior handle rebuild" if anyone wants to experiment with this repair. It comes with the key..... Joe Mulqueen '67 SIIA 109 SW Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 07:30:18 -0700 From: "Nick Eckert" Subject: Rear Door Latch Does anyone have a rear interior handle or lockable latch for a IIa available for sale? Cheers, Nick 1972 SIII Grommit for John 196? SIIa 109 Watusi __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Sep 7 16:37:27 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/Blacker) id e87KbRY02735 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 16:37:27 -0400 Message-Id: <200009071937.MAA29010@blackie.cruzers.com> Subject: Lonn Howards V8 conversion on web Date: Thu, 7 Sep 00 12:30:49 -0700 x-sender: twakeman@mail.cruzers.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: "LRO list" , "mendo rec list" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I just got finished putting the article and pictures from Lonn Howard's conversion into my personal web site. As a refresher, Lonn is in the final stages of installing a Chevy 350 engine with Dodge overdrive gearbox & newer LR transfer case into a 109. This is an article Lonn wrote describing his conversion that is well illustrated. Here is how to get to the article: http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman >From the home page you can get there two ways: 1. click on the latest updates button at the bottom of the page then use the link from the latest updates page 2. CLick on the Land ROver button to get to the Land ROver section contents page then scroll down to the modifications from stock heading and use the link there. TeriAnn Wakeman If you send me direct mail, please Santa Cruz, California start the subject line with TW - twakeman@cruzers.com I will be sure to read the message http://www.shadow-catcher.net <- Photography for sale http://www.overlander.net <- Web directory for Land Rover http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman <- My personal web site "In the world of type A & type B drivers consider me a type C gypsy traveler. Destinations are optional and not necessarily desirable." From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Sep 7 16:42:43 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/Blacker) id e87Kgh202748 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 16:42:43 -0400 Message-Id: <200009071942.MAA29429@blackie.cruzers.com> Subject: Re: BBQ at PA Date: Thu, 7 Sep 00 12:36:11 -0700 x-sender: twakeman@mail.cruzers.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: "mendo rec list" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Hello, >Is anyone bringing a BBQ? I have a small iron >hibachi if needed. I am lacking a shade awning, >however.... I have a small rectangular Webber that can come along if needed. If we are doing a potluck put me down for a salad. TeriAnn http://www.overlander.net The world's most complete set of links connecting Rover 4X4 owners with Rover parts, service, accessory & sales companies world wide. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Sep 7 20:44:34 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/Blacker) id e880iY103045 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 20:44:34 -0400 Message-Id: <200009072344.QAA18391@blackie.cruzers.com> Subject: Palo ALto lawn leak Date: Thu, 7 Sep 00 16:38:06 -0700 x-sender: twakeman@mail.cruzers.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: "mendo rec list" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I guess the question of if there will be a potluck or BBQ at the lawn leak boils down to who is the question... Is anyone planning to be there other than Joe and myself? TeriAnn http://www.overlander.net The world's most complete set of links connecting Rover 4X4 owners with Rover parts, service, accessory & sales companies world wide. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Sep 7 21:58:37 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/Blacker) id e881wbg03167 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 21:58:37 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.32.20000907174655.007d68b0@shell14.ba.best.com> X-Sender: daniel5@shell14.ba.best.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 17:46:56 -0700 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Daniel Oppenheim Subject: Re: Palo ALto lawn leak Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Julia and I will attend At 04:38 PM 09/07/2000 -0700, you wrote: >I guess the question of if there will be a potluck or BBQ at the lawn >leak boils down to who is the question... > >Is anyone planning to be there other than Joe and myself? > > >TeriAnn > http://www.overlander.net > > The world's most complete set of links connecting Rover 4X4 owners > with Rover parts, service, accessory & sales companies world wide. > > > From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Sep 7 22:32:00 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/Blacker) id e882W0E03255 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 22:32:00 -0400 Message-ID: <20000908012309.17363.rocketmail@web220.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 18:23:09 -0700 (PDT) From: joe mulqueen Subject: mean green To: mendo MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hello, not to overly promote this product, but,, my Mean Green starter took my 109 out of a congested "left turn on arrow" lane and then down the block and around another corner (all in 4th gear!). My new fuel tank sender had hung up on a baffle which prevented me from knowing that I had no fuel............ Joe Mulqueen (embarassment avoided) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Thu Sep 7 23:12:34 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/Blacker) id e883CY703317 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 23:12:34 -0400 Message-ID: <39B84771.D41DC765@slip.net> Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 18:57:06 -0700 From: Jeremy Bartlett X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Palo ALto lawn leak References: <200009072344.QAA18391@blackie.cruzers.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org TeriAnn Wakeman wrote: > Is anyone planning to be there other than Joe and myself? 10% chance I'll put in a showing at some point. I'm swamped but disappointed at missing Portland this year. Jeremy From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Sep 8 00:50:14 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/Blacker) id e884oEI04155 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 00:50:14 -0400 From: SFmms@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 23:40:57 EDT Subject: Re: Alaska Trip To: lro-digest@works.team.net, mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 119 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi: I am planning a trip to the Alaska area in about a year or so in the months of July and August. We will be going in our two Series Land Rovers: my '74 SIII 88 which will carry camping goods spares, & supplies, and my husband's '66 SIIa 88 which will have a canoe, small motor and boating stuff. We have never been to that state, presently being in California and only having read the occasional National Geographic article and the AAA book. I would like to get information on off-roading/canoeing/camping available there as we plan on spending a good part time doing that rather than just staying in motels and seeing the usual tourist attractions (though we'll probably see a few of them). Also we plan on shipping the Rovers up to Vancouver in some manner and then meeting them there for the car ferry to Alaska to save time and wear and tear on all of us (it's 1300 miles one way from where we live). Any suggestions? Making an arrangement to travel by train and take the Rovers came to mind, but I have no experience with it, so any suggestions will be appreciated. It would help if the arrangements would have enough security to allow us to ship the Rovers fully loaded, of course. Thanks in advance, Karen Sindir '74 SIII 88 Red Rufy '66 SIIa 88 Barbaros '95 Disco EFE Karen Sindir From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Sep 8 01:01:21 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/Blacker) id e8851L604186 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 01:01:21 -0400 Message-Id: <200009080401.VAA04331@blackie.cruzers.com> Subject: Re: Palo ALto lawn leak Date: Thu, 7 Sep 00 20:54:54 -0700 x-sender: twakeman@mail.cruzers.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: "mendo rec list" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >I'm swamped but >disappointed at missing >Portland this year. As always it was a good meet with lotsa Land ROvers, lotsa LR owners and lots of chatting. The bad news for me is that I was in a Caravan class of one. Not another Dormie in sight We had off & on showers Fri & Sat but the swap meet was dry. Too bad I spent mucho money on Rover stuff at the autojumble > >Jeremy > > TeriAnn http://www.overlander.net The world's most complete set of links connecting Rover 4X4 owners with Rover parts, service, accessory & sales companies world wide. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Sep 8 01:10:53 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/Blacker) id e885Arv04212 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 01:10:53 -0400 Message-ID: <016c01c01949$94f89540$4bc3efd1@delllap> From: "Paul Archibald" To: References: Subject: Re: Alaska Trip Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 21:02:16 -0700 Organization: P. A. Design X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Karen, That was exactly what I was going to suggest, as it would enable people to actually enjoy the time in Alaska instead of spending most of the time getting there. I had not thought about the security of the things inside. hmmmm could be a problem, I guess have good insurance? anyone else? I like the idea of a bunch of us getting together and shipping the rovers there and having a mendo-north expedition. ;-) Karen, Danial and their sig. others, probably TeriAnn, the hess clan, Maybe Gerry? What about Nick? His Alaska dormie might appreciate coming home! ;-) and If I could get the time off, me too! who else? Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2000 8:40 PM Subject: Re: Alaska Trip > Hi: > > I am planning a trip to the Alaska area in about a year or so in the months > of July and August. We will be going in our two Series Land Rovers: my '74 > SIII 88 which will carry camping goods spares, & supplies, and my husband's > '66 SIIa 88 which will have a canoe, small motor and boating stuff. We have > never been to that state, presently being in California and only having read > the occasional National Geographic article and the AAA book. I would like to > get information on off-roading/canoeing/camping available there as we plan on > spending a good part time doing that rather than just staying in motels and > seeing the usual tourist attractions (though we'll probably see a few of > them). > > Also we plan on shipping the Rovers up to Vancouver in some manner and then > meeting them there for the car ferry to Alaska to save time and wear and tear > on all of us (it's 1300 miles one way from where we live). Any suggestions? > Making an arrangement to travel by train and take the Rovers came to mind, > but I have no experience with it, so any suggestions will be appreciated. It > would help if the arrangements would have enough security to allow us to ship > the Rovers fully loaded, of course. > > Thanks in advance, > > Karen Sindir > '74 SIII 88 Red Rufy > '66 SIIa 88 Barbaros > '95 Disco EFE > > Karen Sindir > From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Sep 8 01:10:31 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/Blacker) id e885AVI04204 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 01:10:31 -0400 Message-ID: <016b01c01949$8520cc00$4bc3efd1@delllap> From: "Paul Archibald" To: References: <200009080401.VAA04331@blackie.cruzers.com> Subject: Re: Palo ALto lawn leak Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 21:01:50 -0700 Organization: P. A. Design X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org TeriAnn said: Re Portland > As always it was a good meet with lotsa Land ROvers, lotsa LR owners and > lots of chatting. The bad news for me is that I was in a Caravan class > of one. Not another Dormie in sight Now that was kinda a shocker! Hearing Shipman talking, all the local Oregon Dormies went away this year to new owners. so sad! ;-( I think they were all from far away too or something, don't remember what he said. Well, technically I had the Light Brigade parked in the LR caravan section by accident before TeriAnn drove over from camp, I wasn't gonna move as there was lotsa room and I was next to the discos, but didn't really fit in with them with the waxed paint and all. ;-) > > We had off & on showers Fri & Sat but the swap meet was dry. Too bad I > spent mucho money on Rover stuff at the autojumble So are you going to be showing off the new bridges at Palo Alto? ;-) Paul From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Sep 8 01:37:12 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/Blacker) id e885bCa04244 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 01:37:12 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 21:15:23 -0700 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: john hess Subject: RE: Death Valley Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Umm. In case folks got the wrong idea, we would be NOT driving to Alaska. We would fly up, look for northern lights, fly home. cheers, >I grew up in Alaska and just got back from two weeks there. I'd never seen >the northern lights in the summer, but this last time they were out in full >force three nights in a row. It was a great excuse to stay up longer and >drink more beer ;-) A great resource (actually, a necessary resource) for >driving up the AlCan is The Milepost, a book published by Alaska Magazine. >They update it yearly, and it gives you a mile-by-mile guide to all the >attractions, gas stations, hotels, grocery stores, etc. If you really want >to see much of Alaska though, plan on taking a month -- it takes 6 or 7 days >of driving all day just to get there from SF. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Daniel Oppenheim [mailto:daniel5@best.com] > > Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2000 10:27 AM > > To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > > Subject: Re: Death Valley > > > > > > Julia and I are in for Alaska. Burrrrrr > > > > At 04:11 PM 09/07/2000 GMT, you wrote: > > >>Sounds good to the Hess clan, but watch out. Katherine hasn't seen > > >>the northern lights and has been checking out travel web sites, > > >>trying to get to Sweden(!) to hang out in saunas and look for the > > >>Aurora at night. This from a woman who hates to be cold and thinks > > >>90 in the shade is nice. FWIW, I suggested Alaska. > > >Over new years!!! > > > > > >;-0 > > > > > >Alaska would be a great trip come to thonk of it... > > > > > >Paul > > > > > > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >>> >Is it too soon to start talking about a New Years' Mojave trip?! > > >>> > > >>>Count me a tentitive yes. I am currently planning to go. > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>TeriAnn > > >>> http://www.overlander.net > > >>> > > >>> The world's most complete set of links connecting Rover > > 4X4 owners > > >>> with Rover parts, service, accessory & sales companies > > world wide. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >>John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us > > >>Land Rover Dormobile web pages: > > >>http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html > > >>1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby" > > >>1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Land Rover Dormobile web pages: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby" 1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Sep 8 02:00:51 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/Blacker) id e8860pe04286 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 02:00:51 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200009071937.MAA29010@blackie.cruzers.com> References: <200009071937.MAA29010@blackie.cruzers.com> Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 21:49:43 -0700 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: john hess Subject: Re: Lonn Howards V8 conversion on web Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org TeriAnn, I am speechless. The amount of work is incredible. WRT your sig file quote. Have you heard the expression "not all who wander are lost"? On our slow trips up the coast, I think we resemble that. cheers, >I just got finished putting the article and pictures from Lonn Howard's >conversion into my personal web site. > >As a refresher, Lonn is in the final stages of installing a Chevy 350 >engine with Dodge overdrive gearbox & newer LR transfer case into a 109. > >This is an article Lonn wrote describing his conversion that is well >illustrated. > >Here is how to get to the article: "In the world of type A & type B drivers consider me a type C gypsy traveler. Destinations are optional and not necessarily desirable." John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Land Rover Dormobile web pages: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby" 1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Sep 8 02:02:27 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/Blacker) id e8862Rv04297 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 02:02:27 -0400 Message-ID: <019f01c01950$c6f384e0$4bc3efd1@delllap> From: "Paul Archibald" To: References: Subject: Re: Death Valley Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 21:53:26 -0700 Organization: P. A. Design X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org John, Honestly, that's about i can afford time for for a while anyway. It's been a dream for years to go there even if just for a few days......but the idea of a mendo trip there would be cool wouldn't it? paul ----- Original Message ----- From: john hess To: Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2000 9:15 PM Subject: RE: Death Valley > Umm. In case folks got the wrong idea, we would be NOT driving to > Alaska. We would fly up, look for northern lights, fly home. > > cheers, > > > > >I grew up in Alaska and just got back from two weeks there. I'd never seen > >the northern lights in the summer, but this last time they were out in full > >force three nights in a row. It was a great excuse to stay up longer and > >drink more beer ;-) A great resource (actually, a necessary resource) for > >driving up the AlCan is The Milepost, a book published by Alaska Magazine. > >They update it yearly, and it gives you a mile-by-mile guide to all the > >attractions, gas stations, hotels, grocery stores, etc. If you really want > >to see much of Alaska though, plan on taking a month -- it takes 6 or 7 days > >of driving all day just to get there from SF. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Daniel Oppenheim [mailto:daniel5@best.com] > > > Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2000 10:27 AM > > > To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > > > Subject: Re: Death Valley > > > > > > > > > Julia and I are in for Alaska. Burrrrrr > > > > > > At 04:11 PM 09/07/2000 GMT, you wrote: > > > >>Sounds good to the Hess clan, but watch out. Katherine hasn't seen > > > >>the northern lights and has been checking out travel web sites, > > > >>trying to get to Sweden(!) to hang out in saunas and look for the > > > >>Aurora at night. This from a woman who hates to be cold and thinks > > > >>90 in the shade is nice. FWIW, I suggested Alaska. > > > >Over new years!!! > > > > > > > >;-0 > > > > > > > >Alaska would be a great trip come to thonk of it... > > > > > > > >Paul > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>> >Is it too soon to start talking about a New Years' Mojave trip?! > > > >>> > > > >>>Count me a tentitive yes. I am currently planning to go. > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>>TeriAnn > > > >>> http://www.overlander.net > > > >>> > > > >>> The world's most complete set of links connecting Rover > > > 4X4 owners > > > >>> with Rover parts, service, accessory & sales companies > > > world wide. > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us > > > >>Land Rover Dormobile web pages: > > > >>http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html > > > >>1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby" > > > >>1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us > Land Rover Dormobile web pages: > http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html > 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby" > 1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" > From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Sep 8 04:30:50 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/Blacker) id e888UoS04485 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 04:30:50 -0400 Message-ID: <030701c01953$37f72e60$cb4b0740@baggarly.com> From: "Nick C. Baggarly" To: References: <200009071942.MAA29429@blackie.cruzers.com> Subject: Re: BBQ at PA Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 00:11:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I'll be there with bangers for the potluck. Nick ----- Original Message ----- From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: mendo rec list Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2000 2:36 PM Subject: Re: BBQ at PA > >Hello, > >Is anyone bringing a BBQ? I have a small iron > >hibachi if needed. I am lacking a shade awning, > >however.... > > I have a small rectangular Webber that can come along if needed. > > If we are doing a potluck put me down for a salad. > > > TeriAnn > http://www.overlander.net > > The world's most complete set of links connecting Rover 4X4 owners > with Rover parts, service, accessory & sales companies world wide. > > From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Sep 8 04:59:47 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/Blacker) id e888xlu04513 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 04:59:47 -0400 Message-ID: <39B8993E.D673D1B@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 00:46:06 -0700 From: "Franklin H. Yap" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Alaska Trip References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org SFmms@aol.com wrote: > > I am planning a trip to the Alaska area in about a year or so in the months > of July and August. ... I would like to > get information on off-roading/canoeing/camping available there as we plan on > spending a good part time doing that rather than just staying in motels and > seeing the usual tourist attractions (though we'll probably see a few of > them). You need to get a copy of the Milepost. I've seen it at Barnes & Noble and REI. You can also order it over the web. As long as you stay on the east side of Anchorage/Faibanks, and away from the towns, you can just about camp anywhere. > Also we plan on shipping the Rovers up to Vancouver in some manner and then > meeting them there for the car ferry to Alaska to save time and wear and tear > on all of us (it's 1300 miles one way from where we live). Any suggestions? The ferry leaves from Bellingham. I think it would get too convoluted to try using the BC Ferry to connect to the Alaska Ferry. It's also (relatively) cheaper to ship in the US than to cross the border. However, shipping your vehicle by car carrier won't be cheap. I've heard you can sometimes get deals by having someone drive your vehicle up. If you are going to pay for shipping, you should also consider sending the vehicles to Anchorage. The incremental cost may be minimal. > Making an arrangement to travel by train and take the Rovers came to mind, > but I have no experience with it, so any suggestions will be appreciated. The east coast trains have a service where you can take your car with you to go north/south. There is no such service on the west coast. Frank From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Sep 8 11:49:06 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/Blacker) id e88Fn6W05026 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 11:49:06 -0400 Message-ID: From: Matt Wilson To: "Mendo (E-mail) (E-mail)" Subject: Voltage regulator? Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 07:42:38 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I drove my Series 3 from Santa Barbara to Carmel and Back last weekend. (I went for a sail boat race at Still water cove, What a beautiful place.) I don't have an overdrive so I pretty much sat a sixty mph the whole way, slowed to 40 at the Canejoe grade. With no radio the big entertainment was timing Rusty between the mile markers. We averaged 15 miles per gallon and burned 2 quarts of oil for the five hundred mile trip. I will order the parts to rebuild the head soon... Now the question about the voltage regulator. I have a voltage gage on the dash and it normally reads 12 volts with the ignition on engine off. After starting the engine it would jump up to 13volts and stay . Now with the engine running the gage fluctuates from 11 volts to 15volts. I have read the green bible but am still confused. I am assuming the problem is the voltage regulator and it's located behind the dash. ( I think I found a spare from the previous owner and will install it tomorrow) When I look at the wiring diagram it looks like the regulator is over by the gages and not in line between the alternator and the battery where I thought it should be. Should I be looking at the Alternator? I will spend tomorrow under the bonnet, with my volt meter and the manual on the wing. I was hoping some one wouldn't mind giving me a few hints for things I should look at. I have had the truck since May and have had to in hear so many Lucas jokes it hurts. I hope this weekend doesn't prove them right :-) Matt Wilson Veeco metrology / Digital Instruments Voice: 805-967-2700 XT 322 Fax: 805-967-7701 From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Sep 8 12:11:06 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/Blacker) id e88GB6t05097 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 12:11:06 -0400 Message-Id: <200009081511.IAA05608@blackie.cruzers.com> Subject: RE: Death Valley Date: Fri, 8 Sep 00 08:04:35 -0700 x-sender: twakeman@mail.cruzers.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: "mendo rec list" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Umm. In case folks got the wrong idea, we would be NOT driving to >Alaska. We would fly up, look for northern lights, fly home. Alas while the poor Dormie sits at home gathering another piece of dust. TeriAnn Wakeman If you send me direct mail, please Santa Cruz, California start the subject line with TW - twakeman@cruzers.com I will be sure to read the message http://www.shadow-catcher.net <- Photography for sale http://www.overlander.net <- Web directory for Land Rover http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman <- My personal web site "In the world of type A & type B drivers consider me a type C gypsy traveler. Destinations are optional and not necessarily desirable." From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Sep 8 12:20:03 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/Blacker) id e88GK3g05127 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 12:20:03 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000908080950.0095b240@mail.saber.net> X-Sender: bobnsueb@mail.saber.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 08:09:50 -0700 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Bob & Sue Bernard Subject: Re: Voltage regulator? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi Matt, The regulator behind the dash is actually a voltage stabilizer for the fuel and temp gauges. As far as I remember, the S3 alternator is internally regulated. So unless you hooked the voltage gauge to the instruments (highly (unlikely) instead of a 12V lead, the alternator is suspect. As usual, check the connections at the alt,batt,starter solenoid(serves as a junction). Clean the batt connections and the ground cable both ends. Bob B At 07:42 AM 9/8/2000 -0700, you wrote: > I drove my Series 3 from Santa Barbara to Carmel and Back last weekend. ( > Now the question about the voltage regulator. I have a voltage gage on the dash >and it normally reads 12 volts with the ignition on engine off. After starting >the engine it would jump up to 13volts and stay . Now with the engine running >the gage fluctuates from 11 volts to 15volts. I have read the green bible but am >still confused. I am assuming the problem is the voltage regulator and it's >located behind the dash. ( I think I found a spare from the previous owner and >will install it tomorrow) When I look at the wiring diagram it looks like the >regulator is over by the gages and not in line between the alternator and the >battery where I thought it should be. Should I be looking at the Alternator? > I will spend tomorrow under the bonnet, with my volt meter and the manual on >the wing. I was hoping some one wouldn't mind giving me a few hints for things I >should look at. >I have had the truck since May and have had to in hear so many Lucas jokes it >hurts. I hope this weekend doesn't prove them right :-) > > > > >Matt Wilson >Veeco metrology / Digital Instruments >Voice: 805-967-2700 XT 322 >Fax: 805-967-7701 > From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Sep 8 12:19:55 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/Blacker) id e88GJtu05118 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 12:19:55 -0400 Message-Id: <200009081520.IAA06080@blackie.cruzers.com> Subject: Hess's & PABFM Date: Fri, 8 Sep 00 08:13:28 -0700 x-sender: twakeman@mail.cruzers.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: "mendo rec list" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >TeriAnn, > >I am speechless. The amount of work is incredible. > >WRT your sig file quote. Have you heard the expression "not all who >wander are lost"? On our slow trips up the coast, I think we >resemble that. I'm too used to having Katherine along on those trips. This year I noticed three quilt shops I hadn't seen before. I set a new personal record on the number of lookout/scenic vista stops. Visited a lot of antique stores and galleries, but without you along I think I missed many good brew pubs. Missed your company all the same. TeriAnn Wakeman If you send me direct mail, please Santa Cruz, California start the subject line with TW - twakeman@cruzers.com I will be sure to read the message http://www.shadow-catcher.net <- Photography for sale http://www.overlander.net <- Web directory for Land Rover http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman <- My personal web site "In the world of type A & type B drivers consider me a type C gypsy traveler. Destinations are optional and not necessarily desirable." From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Sep 8 12:48:56 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/Blacker) id e88Gmu705174 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 12:48:56 -0400 From: INFLOWINC@aol.com Message-ID: <15.8f0615f.26ea6256@aol.com> Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 11:40:06 EDT Subject: Re: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #231 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 118 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org To Mendo Group, I would like to come down for the Palo Alto bash. Could someone please provide me with details on timing/location where the Rover group will hang out/what I should bring for the potluck (if there will be one). Many Thanks! Vinod S. Kripalani InFlowTech, Inc. Page Plaza, 44 Page Street, Suite #403 San Francisco, CA 94102 Phone: 1-415-565-0600 Fax: 1-415-522-5887 From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Sep 8 13:21:10 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/Blacker) id e88HLAP05228 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 13:21:10 -0400 Message-ID: <0560141A7916D211A64A00A0C9C9A815036CED77@nwms15.chinalake.navy.mil> From: "Minnick, Kelly T" To: "Mendo (E-mail)" Subject: Kids Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 09:12:16 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org For all of you wanting to have kids or some who have one on the way (James), I thought this was fitting. My youngest is almost 16 and it brought back Fond memories... It has NO LR content except maybe for the car part... Later, Kelly Minnick HOW TO KNOW WHETHER OR NOT YOU ARE READY TO HAVE KIDS: MESS TEST Smear peanut butter on the sofa and curtains. Place a fish stick behind the couch and leave it there all summer. TOY TEST Obtain a 55 gallon box of Legos (or you may substitute roofing tacks). Have a friend spread them all over the house. Put on a blindfold. Try to walk to the bathroom or kitchen. Do not scream because this would wake a child at night. GROCERY STORE TEST Borrow one or two small animals (goats are best) and take them with you as you shop. Always keep them in sight and pay for anything they eat or damage. DRESSING TEST Obtain one large, unhappy, live octopus. Stuff into a small net bag making sure that all the arms stay inside. FEEDING TEST Obtain a large plastic milk jug. Fill halfway with water. Suspend from the ceiling with a cord. Start the jug swinging. Try to insert spoonfuls of soggy cereal into the mouth of the jug, while pretending to be an airplane. Now dump the contents of the jug on the floor. NIGHT TEST Prepare by obtaining a small cloth bag and fill it with 8-12 pounds of sand. Soak it thoroughly in water. At 3:00p.m. begin to waltz and hum with the bag until 9:00p.m. Lay down your bag and set your alarm for 10:00p.m.Get up, pick up your bag, and sing every song you have ever heard. Make up about a dozen more and sing these too until 4:00a.m. Set alarm for 5:00a.m. Get up and make breakfast. Keep this up for 5 years. Look cheerful. INGENUITY TEST Take an egg carton. Using a pair of scissors and pot of paint, turn it into an alligator. Now take a toilet paper tube and turn it into an attractive Christmas candle. Use only scotch tape and a piece of foil. Last, take a milk carton, a ping-pong ball, and an empty box of Cocoa Puffs. Make an exact replica of the Eiffel Tower. AUTOMOBILE TEST Forget the BMW and buy a station wagon. Buy a chocolate ice cream cone and put it in the glove compartment. Leave it there. Get a dime. Stick it into the cassette player. Take a family size package of chocolate chip cookies. Mash them into the back seat. Run a garden rake along both sides of the car. There, perfect. PHYSICAL TEST (Women) Obtain a large bean bag chair and attach it to the front of your clothes. Leave it there for 9 months. Now remove 10 of the beans. And try not to notice your closet full of clothes. You won't be wearing them for a while. PHYSICAL TEST (Men) Go to the nearest drug store. Set your wallet on the counter. Ask the clerk to help himself. Now proceed to the nearest food store. Go to the head office and arrange for your paycheck to be directly deposited to the store. Purchase a newspaper. Go home and read it quietly for the last time. FINAL ASSIGNMENT Find a couple who already have a small child. Lecture them on how they can improve their discipline, patience, tolerance, toilet training and child's table manners. Suggest many ways they can improve. Emphasize to them that they should never allow their children to run wild. Enjoy this experience. It will be the last time you will have all the answers. ------------------------------------------------------------ Kelly Minnick NAWCWD 478200D 1 Administration Circle China Lake, CA 93555-6100 Phone: (760) 939-7647, DSN 437-7647 Fax: (760) 939-7708, DSN 437-7708 Email: MinnickKT@navair.navy.mil From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Sep 8 14:42:35 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/Blacker) id e88IgZn05297 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 14:42:35 -0400 Message-ID: <39B9269E.D39A0D14@ski.org> Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 10:49:18 -0700 From: John Brabyn X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Palo ALto lawn leak References: <200009072344.QAA18391@blackie.cruzers.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I plan to make it and will bring some munchies and wine. And a shade canopy. Cheers John TeriAnn Wakeman wrote: > I guess the question of if there will be a potluck or BBQ at the lawn > leak boils down to who is the question... > > Is anyone planning to be there other than Joe and myself? > > > TeriAnn > http://www.overlander.net > > The world's most complete set of links connecting Rover 4X4 owners > with Rover parts, service, accessory & sales companies world wide. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Sep 8 14:48:37 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/Blacker) id e88Imbi05305 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 14:48:37 -0400 From: "Shannon Holland" To: Subject: RE: Alaska Trip Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 10:39:17 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <39B8993E.D673D1B@earthlink.net> Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org The milepost is definately worth getting. I was poking around amazon the other day and they now have a 2001 edition available. I think the Alaska ferry runs out of Bellingham as well. They have schedule/far info online at: http://www.dot.state.ak.us/external/amhs/schedres/tariffs/index.html Having driven the whole way before, I'd drive to Washington and then take the ferry from there to Haines (avoid Skagway as it's tourist hell!) or else Valdez. The most direct route from Vancouver is a mostly straight north run, but it's a pretty ugly road for much of it. There's a 200 mile gravel section that can be ugly - 50mph with logging trucks going 60-65 (I was literally run off the road twice - not fun at 50mph or in the dark!). The best part about it is that there's a state run campground right in the middle. A good thing as all the gas stations close at 8pm and are far apart (I ended up staying there both coming and going as I was always running low on gas). Vancouver to Whitehorse was about 3 days - so basically 5 days from the bay area (cutting one day out of that isn't too bad if you can make good time up to Vancouver, you may be able to get another out of the second half - having a second driver would certainly help). I also found that section to not be the most interesting - this was probably because I was mostly driving through rather than taking my time. I have no idea how much it would cost to ship a rover to Bellingham. Last time I looked into it was from New York to here - that was estimated at around $800. Anyone up for a kayaking trip? Glacier Bay is gorgeous - and then there's the rest of the inner passage of course! The last two trips have been flying there and then renting a car from that point. I would like to to drive again, but it just takes a lot of time - hard to justify 9-10 days driving on a 3 week trip! I'd cerainly love to go again. There's many portions of the southeast I still haven't seen and then I haven't been north of Denali... Shannon From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Sep 8 15:09:46 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/Blacker) id e88J9kA05333 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 15:09:46 -0400 Message-Id: <200009081759.KAA06647@proxy2.ba.best.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Tom Walsh" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 10:55:19 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: palo alto lawn leak CC: "Shane Ballensky" X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.31) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Unfortunately the 101 is still waiting the re-assembly of its front axle and Macnamara diff ( its been two weeks! ) So, I prolly won't be dragging it to the leak after all ( there was a hope it would be finished in time )... I may show up in disguise as a pedestrian however :) TomW > Its looking like both Sean Murphy and I will have the 101's at the > leak on Sunday ( Sean recently aquired an ambulance ) > > So I was wondering who else might be thinking of going? > In my opinion, the more 101's the merrier! > I've spoken with a few others So we'll see! > Leme Know.... If I could get a few more drivers maybe I could get > more of my Rovers down there. > > TomW > > *---------*---------* > tomw@best.com > > *---------*---------* tomw@best.com From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Sep 8 15:19:32 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/Blacker) id e88JJWT05347 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 15:19:32 -0400 Message-ID: <20000908181041.291.qmail@web206.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 11:10:41 -0700 (PDT) From: joe mulqueen Subject: BBQ (was british car show) To: mendo MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Ok, I'm bringing my cleaned up hibachi, a couple of shareable chairs, ice chest with tradeable, premium beverages & waters, and an assortment of Rover parts for sale/barter. Since getting to park near the trees is not easy, I'm hoping to park next to someone who has shade. I'll be testing out my new CB setup on the way in. Caravans from San Jose or checkpoints are welcome. What's the NCRC channel to use? Since "someone" has "THE GREEN ROVER", for now I guess I can go by JFM..... Joe F. Mulqueen '67 SIIA 109 SW (Pastel Green & Limestone) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Sep 8 16:57:44 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/Blacker) id e88Kvi705473 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 16:57:44 -0400 Message-Id: <200009081957.MAA25735@blackie.cruzers.com> Subject: Re: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #231 Date: Fri, 8 Sep 00 12:51:16 -0700 x-sender: twakeman@mail.cruzers.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: "mendo rec list" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >To Mendo Group, > >I would like to come down for the Palo Alto bash. Could someone please >provide me with details on timing/location where the Rover group will hang >out/what I should bring for the potluck (if there will be one). Sunday Starts about 9-9:30 AM ends around 3ish or when the LR potluck ends which is usually somewhat later. at the end it looks like some rough Land Rover types barged in and took over the park for a party. Place: El Camino Real in a park across the street from the Stanford shopping centre in Palo Alto. Cost to bring a British car into the park & line it up with others; $20 At the moment we have bangers, a green salad plus some odds & ends. We could probably use another "main dish" or two. TeriAnn http://www.overlander.net The world's most complete set of links connecting Rover 4X4 owners with Rover parts, service, accessory & sales companies world wide. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Sep 8 17:26:52 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/Blacker) id e88LQqm05502 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 17:26:52 -0400 Message-ID: From: Matt Wilson To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Voltage regulator? Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 13:20:17 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Thanks Bob, I now know exactly were to start looking! There is a bundle of wires wrapped in melted electrical tape and funky looking crimps running from the alternator to the solenoid. I have meant to look into it, but was scared of what I would find :-). Gerry thanks for the words of encouragement. I am real stoked to own a Land Rover. And I must be really sick because I am threatening to buy another. I think I need a series 3 109 RHD. EX MOD. And I have been behind the dash. I survived but just barely. All of you going to Palo Alto have a great time. Matt Wilson Veeco metrology / Digital Instruments Voice: 805-967-2700 XT 322 Fax: 805-967-7701 -----Original Message----- From: Bob & Sue Bernard [SMTP:bobnsueb@saber.net] Sent: Friday, September 08, 2000 8:10 AM To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Voltage regulator? Hi Matt, The regulator behind the dash is actually a voltage stabilizer for the fuel and temp gauges. As far as I remember, the S3 alternator is internally regulated. So unless you hooked the voltage gauge to the instruments (highly (unlikely) instead of a 12V lead, the alternator is suspect. As usual, check the connections at the alt,batt,starter solenoid(serves as a junction). Clean the batt connections and the ground cable both ends. Bob B At 07:42 AM 9/8/2000 -0700, you wrote: > I drove my Series 3 from Santa Barbara to Carmel and Back last weekend. ( > Now the question about the voltage regulator. I have a voltage gage on the dash >and it normally reads 12 volts with the ignition on engine off. After starting >the engine it would jump up to 13volts and stay . Now with the engine running >the gage fluctuates from 11 volts to 15volts. I have read the green bible but am >still confused. I am assuming the problem is the voltage regulator and it's >located behind the dash. ( I think I found a spare from the previous owner and >will install it tomorrow) When I look at the wiring diagram it looks like the >regulator is over by the gages and not in line between the alternator and the >battery where I thought it should be. Should I be looking at the Alternator? > I will spend tomorrow under the bonnet, with my volt meter and the manual on >the wing. I was hoping some one wouldn't mind giving me a few hints for things I >should look at. >I have had the truck since May and have had to in hear so many Lucas jokes it >hurts. I hope this weekend doesn't prove them right :-) > > > > >Matt Wilson >Veeco metrology / Digital Instruments >Voice: 805-967-2700 XT 322 >Fax: 805-967-7701 > From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Sep 8 17:52:49 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/Blacker) id e88Lqnc05530 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 17:52:49 -0400 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 13:38:45 -0700 Subject: steering binding up - range rover cv's? From: luke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20000907185809.18997.qmail@web209.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org good afternoon list, having some steering problems on the rangie recently and was wondering if you guys know what it is. when turning left or right sometimes the steering wheel will bind up. then it goes away for a while. sometimes it binds up and won't turn any further than about halfway to lock. sometimes it will bind up and then make a big clunking sound then it turns the rest of the way. i had a few different opinions and they all mentioned the cv joints or the steering shaft. the noise is definitely coming from the wheels so i think its more likely the cv's. another weird thing i noticed as i was test driving it - when i had it in park in low range on a hill it ever so slowly creeped forward. am i looking at a transfer case viscous coupling too or could it be that the viscous coupling is causing the noise in the front wheels. as a not so amusing side note this started happening the same day i blew the motor in the mercedes driving back from work. bad carma and bad truckma in the same day, sheesh any insight will be greatly appreciated as always... -luke and fam From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Sep 8 17:41:41 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/Blacker) id e88LffW05519 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 17:41:41 -0400 From: CABritBoy@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 16:32:44 EDT Subject: Lawn Leak@ Palo Alto To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 119 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org It is this Sunday right? From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Sep 8 18:22:04 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/Blacker) id e88MM4L05560 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 18:22:04 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Warner, Nick" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: Lawn Leak Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 14:15:53 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hello leakers; There's not much way I could avoid going to the P.A.L.L. since I live almost next door to it. I'd like to meet you & your vehicles. However, my own rig will not join since I've got too many things to do on Sunday. If anyone's interested, I could park it in the Stanford lot or something or you're invited to stroll about 2 blcks to my place to look at it. but I suspect, it's your basic 88, presently topless. (pickup top for weather.) Joe, if you can, please bring those door seals. A friend of mine will most likely be interested in them. Thanks. Nick Warner IIA-88 Previous '64 Scout owner, now converted. Oh, I imagine there is a gate charge for pedestrians to enter. any idea how much? From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Sep 8 16:43:44 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/Blacker) id e88Khid05441 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 16:43:44 -0400 From: "Kelly Minnick" To: Subject: RE: Voltage regulator? Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 12:41:55 -0700 Message-ID: <000601c019cc$d80fa2a0$5c05193f@minnick> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20000908080950.0095b240@mail.saber.net> Importance: Normal Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Bob's right (as usual). SIII has internally regulated alt. Stabilizer is mounted behind the gauges. (kind of like a regulator) You can buy just the regulator for this alt., but I just swapped the whole unit for the Delco 60 Amp... Kelly Minnick > > > Hi Matt, > The regulator behind the dash is actually a voltage stabilizer > for the fuel > and temp gauges. > As far as I remember, the S3 alternator is internally regulated. > So unless you hooked the voltage gauge to the instruments (highly > (unlikely) instead of a 12V lead, the alternator is suspect. > As usual, check the connections at the alt,batt,starter solenoid(serves as > a junction). Clean the batt connections and the ground cable both ends. > > Bob B > > > At 07:42 AM 9/8/2000 -0700, you wrote: > > I drove my Series 3 from Santa Barbara to Carmel and Back last > weekend. ( > > Now the question about the voltage regulator. I have a voltage gage on > the dash > >and it normally reads 12 volts with the ignition on engine off. After > starting > >the engine it would jump up to 13volts and stay . Now with the > engine running > >the gage fluctuates from 11 volts to 15volts. I have read the green bible > but am > >still confused. I am assuming the problem is the voltage > regulator and it's > >located behind the dash. ( I think I found a spare from the > previous owner > and > >will install it tomorrow) When I look at the wiring diagram it > looks like the > >regulator is over by the gages and not in line between the > alternator and the > >battery where I thought it should be. Should I be looking at the > Alternator? > > I will spend tomorrow under the bonnet, with my volt meter and > the manual on > >the wing. I was hoping some one wouldn't mind giving me a few hints for > things I > >should look at. > >I have had the truck since May and have had to in hear so many > Lucas jokes it > >hurts. I hope this weekend doesn't prove them right :-) > > > > > > > > > >Matt Wilson > >Veeco metrology / Digital Instruments > >Voice: 805-967-2700 XT 322 > >Fax: 805-967-7701 > > > From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Sep 8 18:36:37 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/Blacker) id e88Mabu05604 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 18:36:37 -0400 Message-ID: From: Matt Wilson To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Voltage regulator? Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 14:30:10 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I like the idea of a 60 amp Delco alt. Will it use the same bracket? Matt Wilson Veeco metrology / Digital Instruments Voice: 805-967-2700 XT 322 Fax: 805-967-7701 -----Original Message----- From: Kelly Minnick [SMTP:kminnick@gte.net] Sent: Friday, September 08, 2000 12:42 PM To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: Voltage regulator? Bob's right (as usual). SIII has internally regulated alt. Stabilizer is mounted behind the gauges. (kind of like a regulator) You can buy just the regulator for this alt., but I just swapped the whole unit for the Delco 60 Amp... Kelly Minnick > > > Hi Matt, > The regulator behind the dash is actually a voltage stabilizer > for the fuel > and temp gauges. > As far as I remember, the S3 alternator is internally regulated. > So unless you hooked the voltage gauge to the instruments (highly > (unlikely) instead of a 12V lead, the alternator is suspect. > As usual, check the connections at the alt,batt,starter solenoid(serves as > a junction). Clean the batt connections and the ground cable both ends. > > Bob B > > > At 07:42 AM 9/8/2000 -0700, you wrote: > > I drove my Series 3 from Santa Barbara to Carmel and Back last > weekend. ( > > Now the question about the voltage regulator. I have a voltage gage on > the dash > >and it normally reads 12 volts with the ignition on engine off. After > starting > >the engine it would jump up to 13volts and stay . Now with the > engine running > >the gage fluctuates from 11 volts to 15volts. I have read the green bible > but am > >still confused. I am assuming the problem is the voltage > regulator and it's > >located behind the dash. ( I think I found a spare from the > previous owner > and > >will install it tomorrow) When I look at the wiring diagram it > looks like the > >regulator is over by the gages and not in line between the > alternator and the > >battery where I thought it should be. Should I be looking at the > Alternator? > > I will spend tomorrow under the bonnet, with my volt meter and > the manual on > >the wing. I was hoping some one wouldn't mind giving me a few hints for > things I > >should look at. > >I have had the truck since May and have had to in hear so many > Lucas jokes it > >hurts. I hope this weekend doesn't prove them right :-) > > > > > > > > > >Matt Wilson > >Veeco metrology / Digital Instruments > >Voice: 805-967-2700 XT 322 > >Fax: 805-967-7701 > > > From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Sep 8 18:57:37 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/Blacker) id e88Mvbv05626 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 18:57:37 -0400 Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 14:48:53 -0700 (MST) From: James Howard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: steering binding up - range rover cv's? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org On Fri, 8 Sep 2000, luke wrote: > another weird thing i noticed as i was test driving it - when i had it in > park in low range on a hill it ever so slowly creeped forward. am i looking > at a transfer case viscous coupling too or could it be that the viscous If you didn't have your parking brake on when this happened, then the creeping forward while in park is a classic symptom of a broken CV joint. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Sep 8 21:38:35 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/Blacker) id e891cZK05745 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 21:38:35 -0400 Message-Id: <200009090029.RAA00630@proxy2.ba.best.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Tom Walsh" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 17:26:06 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: to a good home ( non LR ) X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.31) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org If anyone wants a 70 gallon glass fishtank with wooden stand, let me know ASAP... Ya gotta come get it in the next few days, else its gonna sleep with the fishes ( actually goodwill ) TomW *---------*---------* tomw@best.com From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Fri Sep 8 22:23:04 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/Blacker) id e892N4U05780 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 22:23:04 -0400 Message-Id: <200009090123.SAA17157@blackie.cruzers.com> Subject: Re: to a good home ( non LR ) Date: Fri, 8 Sep 00 18:16:35 -0700 x-sender: twakeman@mail.cruzers.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: "mendo rec list" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org me me me!!!! >If anyone wants a 70 gallon glass fishtank with wooden stand, let me >know ASAP... Ya gotta come get it in the next few days, else its >gonna sleep with the fishes ( actually goodwill ) > >TomW > *---------*---------* >tomw@best.com > TeriAnn http://www.overlander.net The world's most complete set of links connecting Rover 4X4 owners with Rover parts, service, accessory & sales companies world wide. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sat Sep 9 00:25:11 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/Blacker) id e894PBQ06475 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 9 Sep 2000 00:25:11 -0400 Message-ID: <002001c01a0b$f793e0c0$731ad1d1@computer> From: "Granville Pool" To: References: Subject: Re: steering binding up - range rover cv's? Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 20:13:44 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Luke, I've had a blown CV joint in my RR and can say with some authority that it sounds like that's what you have. BP just had a good special price on the CVs for the ABS-equipped RRs (I don't recall what year yours is and whether or not it has ABS). The forward creep doesn't sound too serious. That's fairly normal with an automatic. My pickup does it pretty badly. Is your idle set too high? Best of luck, Granny From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sat Sep 9 00:27:20 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/Blacker) id e894RKl06484 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 9 Sep 2000 00:27:20 -0400 Message-ID: <002401c01a0c$483d98e0$731ad1d1@computer> From: "Granville Pool" To: References: Subject: Re: steering binding up - range rover cv's? Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 20:15:59 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org James wrote: > If you didn't have your parking brake on when this happened, then the > creeping forward while in park is a classic symptom of a broken CV joint. Can anyone explain why that's so? It doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. I certainly had lots of symptoms when my CV joint was shattered but don't remember that as being among them. Thanks, Granny From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sat Sep 9 01:16:21 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/Blacker) id e895GLK06635 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 9 Sep 2000 01:16:21 -0400 Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 21:07:36 -0700 (MST) From: James Howard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: steering binding up - range rover cv's? In-Reply-To: <002401c01a0c$483d98e0$731ad1d1@computer> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org On Fri, 8 Sep 2000, Granville Pool wrote: > Can anyone explain why that's so? It doesn't make a whole lot of sense to > me. I certainly had lots of symptoms when my CV joint was shattered but > don't remember that as being among them. Well, now that I think about it, I guess you are right. Now, if both CVs break, I can see how it would happen. Incidently, I have our swivel housing apart to replace the seals. I looked at the CV joint and it looks good to me, despite it's 220,000 miles. No pits or anything like that. What should I look for as far a wear is concerned? From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sat Sep 9 01:24:24 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/Blacker) id e895OOo06659 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 9 Sep 2000 01:24:24 -0400 Message-ID: <002e01c01a14$413c1aa0$731ad1d1@computer> From: "Granville Pool" To: References: Subject: Re: steering binding up - range rover cv's? Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 21:13:03 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org James wrote: > Incidently, I have our swivel housing apart to replace the seals. I > looked at the CV joint and it looks good to me, despite it's 220,000 > miles. No pits or anything like that. What should I look for as far a > wear is concerned? I dunno. Sounds fine. On mine, the ring that holds the balls in place shattered and the broken pieces got in and raised hell. If you can find a good deal on the CV joints for yours (much cheaper anyway than mine), I'd be inclined to replace them preventatively and keep the good-looking old ones for spares. My water pump just died and I'm going ahead and replacing the viscous fan clutch and all hoses while it's apart. All hoses look like new so I figure they'll make good spares. Just can't always tell by looking what's bad and stuff breaking far from home is a drag. Cheers, Granny From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sat Sep 9 01:29:57 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/Blacker) id e895Tvx06672 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 9 Sep 2000 01:29:57 -0400 Date: 9 Sep 2000 09:24:00 -0700 Message-ID: <006f01c01a7a$5d0ae020$0200a8c0@vaio> From: "Michael Slade" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org References: Subject: Re: steering binding up - range rover cv's? Organization: DreamLab. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hey James, We've seen catastrophic CV joint failure here in Portland recently, and in most cases it's lack of lubrication. Look for the usual heat scorch marks on the cage, balls and weird round-ish gear shaped thing with inner splines (does that thing have a name?). Anyway, that's what I'd look for. Other than that, I'm not sure you could tell if one was going to fail. I did take one of mine apart about 1 1/2 years ago, and there was a lot of rust and muck in it. I cleaned it all up, regreased it, and it's been fine ever since. I run either 265/75/16's, or 235/85/16's, or 31x10.50x15's on the RR, and haven't broken a CV yet. YMMV, so use your best judgement. There is a small supply of spare CV joints up here if you are desperate for a replacement. Additionally, there is a small outfit here in Portland who is offering front and rear hardened axle replacements using U-joints instead of CV's. I have seen a set in a D90, and a set is in my Serious One right now. The set in the D90 has run for a year without any problems. I can give you more information if you'd like. Later, M From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sat Sep 9 01:40:07 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/Blacker) id e895e7a06688 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 9 Sep 2000 01:40:07 -0400 Message-ID: <003801c01a16$7326cfe0$731ad1d1@computer> From: "Granville Pool" To: References: <006f01c01a7a$5d0ae020$0200a8c0@vaio> Subject: Re: steering binding up - range rover cv's? Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 21:28:46 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Mike Slade wrote: > Additionally, there is a small outfit here in Portland who is offering front > and rear hardened axle replacements using U-joints instead of CV's. I have > seen a set in a D90, and a set is in my Serious One right now. The set in > the D90 has run for a year without any problems. U-joints instead of CVs for a full-time 4x4? Are they double-Cardin? Granny From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sat Sep 9 01:43:49 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/Blacker) id e895hnY06698 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 9 Sep 2000 01:43:49 -0400 Message-ID: <39B9C28A.CB0DFB5E@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 20:54:37 -0800 From: michael myers X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: keyless entry system References: <200009070449.e874n5O01717@guinness.ovlr.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I lost the remote opener for my '96 Disco. Does anyone know if a nonlr one will work(the dealer wants $135). If so, where is the computer hook-up on the Disco? Thanks, Michael Myers From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sat Sep 9 02:06:41 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/Blacker) id e8966f006732 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 9 Sep 2000 02:06:41 -0400 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 21:51:33 -0800 To: mendo_recce@moab.off-road.com From: Russ Wilson Subject: spotted Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Right in my neighborhood (West Hollywood section of L.A.) I just saw an amazing looking Series IIa 109 military soft top. Spotless.... it even shined in the sun. Too bad I was on the motorcycle going the other way on Santa Monica Blvd. Anyone on the list have a clue as to who this might be?? Russ and Leslie Wilson "People constantly speak of 'the government' doing this or that, as they might speak of God doing it. But the government is really nothing but a group of men, and usually they are very inferior men." --H. L. Mencken From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sat Sep 9 02:36:25 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/Blacker) id e896aPi06755 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 9 Sep 2000 02:36:25 -0400 From: SFmms@aol.com Message-ID: <21.ae0763.26eb2442@aol.com> Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 01:27:30 EDT Subject: Re: Alaska Trip To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 119 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Tim Michaels wrote: << A great resource (actually, a necessary resource) for driving up the AlCan is The Milepost, a book published by Alaska Magazine. They update it yearly, and it gives you a mile-by-mile guide to all the attractions, gas stations, hotels, grocery stores, etc. If you really want to see much of Alaska though, plan on taking a month -- it takes 6 or 7 days of driving all day just to get there from SF. >> Tim: Thanks for the suggestion on the reference, I'll try to locate a copy. As to the 4 weeks, unfortunately it has to be 3 weeks for us, hence the push to ship the trucks to Vancouver. Another thing might be to ship to Montana and drive the AlCan starting from there. But for us it has to be 3 weeks total, as that is all the vacation time we get (and they take 2-3 days of mine each year for the year end plant shutdown) plus it is going to take a lot to get permission for my husband to take more than 2 weeks in a row. I want to utilize 2001 to plan the trip itinerary, prep the trucks (spread the expenses), and accumulate enough vacation time. The '66 SIIa is currently undergoing an extensive overhaul of the front end since water sat in the front swivel hubs. It also had a bent front tie rod and the tie rod ends were a mixture of original and greasable, most with perishing boots. Just today I learned the swivel balls are pitted beyond repair. It needs door seals, new windscreen and rear door glass and window channels. It will also need a second fuel tank to give it an acceptable range. Finally, we have not been able to offroad it and we still need to drive it to see if any other problems crop up. Right now SIII needs the swivel hub u-joints replaced before it can go offroad again. The passenger side u-joint is about to go and the driver's side is the same age, so I will replace them both. I am currently driving with the FWH unlocked to take the load off them. So the upshot is, that I had planned the Alaska trip for sometime in July-August 2002. Anyone who wants to come is welcome, but everyone will be responsible for their own accommodations, yadda, yadda. I don't particularly care about model/make/ year of vehicles, but would favor Series Land Rovers as we would have a bit more in common regarding highway speeds, spares etc. There will plenty of time for all those who are interested to put in their $0.02. and I humbly accept all suggestions as I this is the first time I've planned such a long trip of this type. Regards, Karen Sindir '74 SIII 88 Red Rufy '66 SIIa Barbaros '95 Disco EFE From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sat Sep 9 11:47:19 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/Blacker) id e89FlJP07226 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 9 Sep 2000 11:47:19 -0400 Message-Id: <200009091447.HAA21266@blackie.cruzers.com> Subject: Lawn leak potluck details Date: Sat, 9 Sep 00 07:40:48 -0700 x-sender: twakeman@mail.cruzers.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: "mendo rec list" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Regarding Sunday's Palo ALot pot luck lunch A problem we have had in the past is a lack of a designated place to put everything. COuld someone please bring a table to two to hold the stuff and make a central location??? Anyone bringing a LR with an Awning? Daniel? Anyone set up to build an awning off the side of a long wheel base LR? I have a nylon tarp on in a roof rack box & can throw a couple poles in the back if no one has anything as a standard setup. Or we could string the nylon tarp between a pair of 109s. TeriAnn http://www.overlander.net The world's most complete set of links connecting Rover 4X4 owners with Rover parts, service, accessory & sales companies world wide. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sat Sep 9 17:45:46 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/Blacker) id e89LjkB07727 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 9 Sep 2000 17:45:46 -0400 From: SFmms@aol.com Message-ID: <17.ac8307c.26ebf964@aol.com> Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 16:36:52 EDT Subject: Re: LA Area Field Leaks To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 119 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi Mendoites: Thanks gain for the tips on the Alaska thing, now I have a place to start on the planning. If anyone is in the LA area on either September 24th or October 1st, there are two British Car Meets with good LR attendance. The first in Woodley Park in Encino is the sister meet to your PA Field Leak (same sponsor group I think) and about the same size. The second is at the Santa Monica Airport and includes some vintage planes. I'll be happy to provide more details to anyone interested and we plan on having both our Series trucks at both meets. Karen Sindir '74 SIII 88 Red Rufy '66 SIIa Barbaros '95 Disco EFE From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sat Sep 9 17:55:35 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/Blacker) id e89LtZV07744 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 9 Sep 2000 17:55:35 -0400 Message-ID: <029001c01a9e$8187f5e0$4bc3efd1@delllap> From: "Paul Archibald" To: References: <17.ac8307c.26ebf964@aol.com> Subject: Re: LA Area Field Leaks Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 13:42:42 -0700 Organization: P. A. Design X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Yeah! about the santa Monica meet! ;-) any info would be great...expecially the planes... I'd like to convince my dad to grab his plane and we could come on down...now I gotta convince him of course..but I' ve been working on getting himn into the whole land-rover thing as his ww-II gpw project is just sitting....besides than he could use/store one of my rovers for me! Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2000 1:36 PM Subject: Re: LA Area Field Leaks > Hi Mendoites: > > Thanks gain for the tips on the Alaska thing, now I have a place to start on > the planning. > > If anyone is in the LA area on either September 24th or October 1st, there > are two British Car Meets with good LR attendance. The first in Woodley Park > in Encino is the sister meet to your PA Field Leak (same sponsor group I > think) and about the same size. The second is at the Santa Monica Airport and > includes some vintage planes. I'll be happy to provide more details to anyone > interested and we plan on having both our Series trucks at both meets. > > Karen Sindir > '74 SIII 88 Red Rufy > '66 SIIa Barbaros > '95 Disco EFE > From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sat Sep 9 21:09:40 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/Blacker) id e8A19eU07981 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 9 Sep 2000 21:09:40 -0400 Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 17:00:30 -0700 (MST) From: James Howard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: steering binding up - range rover cv's? In-Reply-To: <002e01c01a14$413c1aa0$731ad1d1@computer> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Wel,, I will leave my CVs as is. I am trying to keep the shipfitter's disease in control. What started out as a blown head gasket has already blossomed. I am in the process of replacing cam, lifters, timing gears and chain, fuel hoses, swivel seals, and all the suspension bushings. If I get it all back together, and find that I have a cracked block, I will cry. Then, I will probably pull the transmission and transfer case to check them out, and I will have to buy Kelly that Buick she wants. That will mean selling either the MGB or the Series III. Have I told you I am tired of working on cars? By the way, in the shower this morning I decided a single broken CV joint could cause the vehicle to roll in park. In park, the transmission keeps the crown wheel on the center diff from turning. To roll, both driveshafts have to turn the same direction, but the crown wheel keeps that from happening, and so the Rover stays put. If a CV is broken, when the vehicle is rolling, the rear wheels turn the rear driveshaft, and the center differential turns the front driveshaft in the opposite direction. Nothing keeps the front driveshaft from turning, since it just spins the halfshaft with the broken CV. The other front wheel also spins that halfshaft. On an 89 and later Range Rover, I imagine the viscous coupling keeps the vehicle from rolling very fast. I don't know about Discos, Defenders, and early Ranger Rovers. From bens@guinness.ovlr.org Sat Sep 9 21:25:29 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by guinness.ovlr.org (Blacker/Blacker) id e8A1PT408050 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 9 Sep 2000 21:25:29 -0400 From: GElam30092@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 20:15:48 EDT Subject: Re: The Mojave...... To: azlro@mail.stat.com, mendo_recce@moab.off-road.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 119 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I put some of the Mojave / Death Valley trip pictures on-line at www.albumpictures.com Just put my email address (gelam30092@aol.com) in the box at the left and the password is gerry. Cheers, Gerry Elam PHX AZ From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Sat Sep 9 23:05:28 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8A35Ss06896 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 9 Sep 2000 23:05:28 -0400 Message-Id: <200009100300.e8A301S10966@swamp.blacker.gdbg.org> From: Benjamin Allan Smith To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: testing, please ignore Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2000 22:00:01 -0500 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Test message -- please ignore Ben From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Sun Sep 10 00:43:06 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8A4h6G00741 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 00:43:06 -0400 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 21:40:32 -0700 Subject: Red Scorpion Message-ID: <20000909.214032.-450361.1.cirvin1258@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,4-9 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Charles R Irvin Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org ...it's on UPN as I type: lotsa Rovers, both Series and Defender! It seems to be about (I missed the beginning) a Soviet Spetsnatz soldier that is in Angola on a secret mission, and he winds up living with Bushmen (yeah - he deserts...). Interesting flick. Charles "Be excellent to each other." - Bill S. Preston, Esq., and Ted Theodore Logan ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Sun Sep 10 01:12:16 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8A5CG700773 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 01:12:16 -0400 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 22:09:39 -0700 Subject: More on Red Scorpion Message-ID: <20000909.220939.-465173.2.cirvin1258@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 3-4,8-9,12-13,16-21 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Charles R Irvin Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org It just went off, and apparently it was filmed in 1988.........I can't help but wonder if Jillian made her film debut in it - all the Rovers were painted the very same color, and it was done on location in Africa, where she came from! Speaking of Jillian - I performed the biopsy on her today: ripped her head off (so to speak), and found that the top compression ring on number 2 did in fact hit the ridge that I neglected to cut off the top of the bore, resulting in a broken ring, and a broken piston! I've already sent an email to a friend that works for BA in London, BUT - if anybody happens to have a .020 piston for a diesel Land Rover that's in VGC, feel free to email me! I'm on the road again tomorrow, but I plan on being in Van Nuys for Woodley Park, though I unfortunately won't have anything on display this year (sob.....) Charles "Be excellent to each other." - Bill S. Preston, Esq., and Ted Theodore Logan ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Sun Sep 10 01:32:17 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8A5WHD00806 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 01:32:17 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 22:24:46 -0700 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: john hess Subject: Re: The Mojave...... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Great pics, what does the plaque say? >I put some of the Mojave / Death Valley trip pictures on-line at >www.albumpictures.com > >Just put my email address (gelam30092@aol.com) in the box at the left and the >password is gerry. > >Cheers, >Gerry Elam >PHX AZ John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Land Rover Dormobile web pages: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby" 1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Sun Sep 10 01:39:51 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8A5dpt00825 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 01:39:51 -0400 From: GElam30092@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 01:34:45 EDT Subject: Re: The Mojave...... To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 119 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In a message dated 9/9/00 10:28:43 PM US Mountain Standard Time, jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us writes: << Great pics, what does the plaque say? >> Use the force..... make the journey...... read the plaque........ OR, to quote Dennis Casebier's "Mojave Road Guide", page 164, "There is a special bronze plaque on this monument, but you must go there to learn what is says." Who am I to mess with the Mojo of the Mojave?! Jeez.... I have enough problems with LR's already! Cheers, Gerry From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Sun Sep 10 01:47:06 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8A5l6g00846 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 01:47:06 -0400 From: GElam30092@aol.com Message-ID: <52.71956a.26ec7928@aol.com> Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 01:42:00 EDT Subject: WAS: Re: The Mojave...... NOW: Digital Cameras To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 119 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In a message dated 9/9/00 10:28:43 PM US Mountain Standard Time, jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us writes: << Great pics >> The camera was a Sony MVC-FD73 on loan from work. (I wonder if they've missed it yet?!) Anyway, I was very impressed with this camera. Simple to use, stores directly to disk, copies to other disks, the battery lasted the entire trip (through 3 diskettes) and I like the pictures. And there are a ton of features that I didn't use..... and may never use. I want something like this for myself and I do like this Sony. Anyone have any other cameras that they'd care to recommend? Why?! Thanks in advance! Gerry From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Sun Sep 10 03:07:59 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8A77xC01331 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 03:07:59 -0400 Message-ID: <002201c01ae2$e5ff0380$cb4b0740@baggarly.com> From: "Nick C. Baggarly" To: References: Subject: Re: The Mojave...... Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 23:52:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Yep. If you want to see what it says, you've gotta go. Nick ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2000 12:34 AM Subject: Re: The Mojave...... > In a message dated 9/9/00 10:28:43 PM US Mountain Standard Time, > jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us writes: > > << Great pics, what does the plaque say? >> > > Use the force..... make the journey...... read the plaque........ > > OR, to quote Dennis Casebier's "Mojave Road Guide", page 164, "There is a > special bronze plaque on this monument, but you must go there to learn what > is says." > > Who am I to mess with the Mojo of the Mojave?! Jeez.... I have enough > problems with LR's already! > > Cheers, > Gerry > From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Sun Sep 10 10:45:59 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8AEjxK01851 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 10:45:59 -0400 Date: 10 Sep 2000 19:43:51 -0700 Message-ID: <001801c01b9a$1f342b00$0200a8c0@vaio> From: "Michael Slade" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org References: <52.71956a.26ec7928@aol.com> Subject: Digital Cameras (was: Mojave something or other) Organization: DreamLab. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Gerry, (and all), My take on digital cameras is this: Look at a camera that gives you the features, storage and resolution you want, then buy the next model up. I personally do not like the Mavica. Not for any reasons of lens quality, features, etc..., but rather the storage media is archaic compared to other systems available. If I am correct in assuming the Mavica you were using saved to 3 1/2 inch floppies, then the resolution you are getting from your pictures is tremendously sub-par, and when you try to do anything with them (other than post them on the web, which might be all you are looking for), you will be dissapointed. All of the cameras I have used accept either Type I or Type II Compact Flash cards. I then download to the computer via USB card reader, reformat the cards, and continue shooting. I am a Nikon user from the beginning, and can't reccomend anything else, because I don't really know what else is out there. Here is a story to illustrate my point though. My next door neighbor, a little old lady who is a computer geek, wanted to buy a digital camera. Their budget allowed for a Mavica, which they purchased (oddly enough). She used it for about a week and then asked me to come over and tell me why her prints looked so bad. We discussed file size, compression, monitor calibration, printer resolution, etc...and she decided to return the Mavica and purchase a CoolPix 950 (a model I own BTW). A week after she purchased the CoolPix 950, a new model that replaced it, the CoolPix 990 was introduced. She felt betrayed because she was not told a newer better model was coming out. She returned to the store. Since I do all of my purchasing there and she was sent on a referral from me, not to mention the fact that she's a slick wheeler-dealer on her own, she suceeded in trading it in for the 990. She has never been happier with a digital camera, or any camera for that matter, and has thanked me several times for getting her away from the Mavica and into a camera with better resolution and file size. I sound like a Nikon rep. here, and I apologize for that, but I don't want you guys to spend your hard earned money on something that you might regret later. Check out every option and use your best judgement. Remember, you're not only buying a camera, but it is in actuality a computer with a lens stuck on the front. If you look at your purchase in that light, you will be better off for it. Olympus has some very good cameras, as does Canon. Remember the thing about the computer with the lens bit, well, the lens should be made by a company that makes their living designing and manufacturing the highest quality optics available. I can say that about Nikon, Canon, Olympus, and certainly Sony makes a lot of lenses for their video cameras. I don't know if Sony makes their own lenses, or has them produced elsewhere. Anyway, take this all with a grain of salt, do your own thinking, and make an educated decision. I just thought I'd chime in here because I certainly know more about cameras than Land Rovers. Hope this wasn't too long or off-topic. Later, M From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Sun Sep 10 12:27:11 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8AGRBa02003 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 12:27:11 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <001801c01b9a$1f342b00$0200a8c0@vaio> References: <52.71956a.26ec7928@aol.com> <001801c01b9a$1f342b00$0200a8c0@vaio> Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 09:19:42 -0700 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: john hess Subject: Re: Digital Cameras Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Michael, Thanks for the info. We haven't bought a camera for home, still making do with a Apple Quicktake. Even tho' it's pre first generation, it allows me to snap 8 photos and email them to folks who want to see the PU top of Stubby, or some Dormobile feature. We've also snapped photos of Alex in school plays and such, for email to grandma. But I do have access to a Kodak DC280 at work. This thing takes good pics (probably 1 meg) and when connected to my bosses PC, seems easy to use. Unfortunately, its Mac software is not as easy to use, and looks like a bad port from windows to Mac. It works, but installation of multiple programs and set up isn't easy. On top of that, neither is downloading photos. Again, this seems to be Mac only. I have a friend who just bought an Olympus 1100(?) for home (~$700). He raves about it, which includes picture quality ease of use, review of pics on the camera, AND battery life. He previously set up a zippy microscope, digital (nikon I think) camera, computer work station for the department and has tons of microscopy and photo experience. cheers, John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Land Rover Dormobile web pages: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby" 1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Sun Sep 10 14:59:46 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8AIxkT02242 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 14:59:46 -0400 Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 14:54:37 EDT From: CHRISBONIN@aol.com Subject: Re: Digital Cameras (was: Mojave something or other) To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown Message-ID: Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Ok...All... I have had two Olympus Digital cameras....first one was the 320 model then I upgraded to the d460 zoom. I am not very easy on my cameras...from camping to parties to dropping them out of the car. They have with standed me so far...I do have a cracked body and have had to glue it back together twice from dropping it out of a moving car but it is still working just fine. The size was also a factor. Olympus makes a good size and small enough to put in your pocket and take with you. The other thing I notice was the qaulity of the picture viewing on the screen on the camera. Olympus seems to have one of the better screeens I have seen. Picture size and qaulity allows you three different modes. A draw back...battery life not soo great when reviewing pictures and I personally do not care for the smart media but I put up with it because I like the camera. I have been happy with Olympus and two of my freinds have bought them since. Just my two cents... Chris Moosedaddy 88RR From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Sun Sep 10 17:20:51 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8ALKpo05884 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 17:20:51 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mewgull@popd.ix.netcom.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <001801c01b9a$1f342b00$0200a8c0@vaio> References: <52.71956a.26ec7928@aol.com> <001801c01b9a$1f342b00$0200a8c0@vaio> Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 14:15:50 -0700 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: "G. Mugele" Subject: Digital Cameras (almost no LR content) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Uh... clearly this is way off topic...except that digital cameras are great for recording LR outings and then immediately posting the results for sharing. Unless you're really interested in digital and silver photography you should delete this diatribe. I spent a good bit of this past year coming up to speed on things photographic and it has certainly changed my perspective. Like Mike, using silver media I was almost pure Nikon going way back. But my wonderful faithful old (very old) Nikon Fs got ripped off in Northern Canada on the Alaska trip in '97. Remember the broken passenger door window in my D90? I'm still bitter about that. Anyway I had to replace my stuff and of course the insurance company put much effort into trying to squirm out of their end of the expenses. For several reasons I went to a different brand of high end 35MM SLR. But then I discovered that I had to relearn practically everything except composing photos. So I gave seven of the last eleven months to the photo business. That certainly doesn't make me as knowledgeable as Mike but it gave me a lot of additional grounding in the subject. Now I've had to upgrade all my stuff. I even sold the Hasselblad but kept the Leica. I considered going digital but the cost of serious digital photography is still kinda absurd. I consult to the photo staff of the Santa Rosa Press Democrat, (I tell 'em what bird it is in the photo...and still they get it wrong in the caption ). They are all digital now, using Nikon D1s for about $4K per. They get some incredible stuff with these: last June, John Burgess got an amazing shot of a Western Gull attempting to steal a fish from the talons of an Osprey in flight. Amazing. BUT...what we're discussing for us Lazy Buggers is basically "Point and Shoot" photography. As such we need to keep this all in perspective. To get a decent camera you hafta pay between $500 and $1K. That's a lot of money for point and shoot! And then, for many of the choices, you hafta spend more for media and various cables or card readers, software etc. You can buy a lot of film and processing for that kind of money. A Nikon 990 gives ya 3 megapixels of resolution. That's great if you're gonna be doing some photoshop manipulation but it's too much to email and it's a pain to watch 'em load over the net most of the time, even using DSL. So, the way I see it, you're either going for super quality image and are willing to pay the bucks or you're looking for convenience, ease of use and simple function. If the latter, then high-res is not worth the money. If ya want to make prints use silver for another five years. One of my clients, an emergency veterinary clinic, needed the ability to quickly create images (like of an animal open on the operating table) for online consultations. The vets weren't interested in learning about digital photography and wanted something fast, simple and accurate. After going over all the options they chose a Mavica. They also got an attachment for the Mavica for recording sonograms and until we found a better way, they used it to post radiography. Obviously the resolution is adequate for their purposes. Remember that for most of us, your monitor is only resolving 72 or 75 DPI. All the cameras can record far better than that. With media that can only hold 1.3 mega pixels, obviously there are limitations for the Mavica. But the media is cheap...very cheap...free even. How many unused 3.5" flopettes do you have laying around? Obsolete? Sure....but the cameras (all of 'em) will be hopelessly out of date in a few short years anyway. The technology is now about where silver was 100 years ago; it's still pretty crude but improving at an incredible rate. All of the current crop of cameras seem to need some work on the user interface. Some are very difficult to use. All consume batteries at an absurd rate, but Mavica with it's large metal hydride seems best. An external power source is a really useful option. On many cameras the batteries go well before you can fill your "flash card" or "smart media". (And that brings up the whole issue of which format will prevail long term. My vote is for the compact flash cards...at least for the next few years until something better comes along.) All of these things have a long way to go. The Nikons (950 and 990) have an interesting design problem: when the camera is mounted on a tripod the swivel lens has limited travel due to the placement of the mount. I'd like the Mavica more if it was smaller. Canons are almost too small, for my hands anyway. After having had an opportunity to handle and use all of the current digital crop, I like the Nikon 990 a lot, but not enough to spend anything close to a grand on it. I also like the Canon's and the Olympus. I do not like the Yashisca's or most of the others although I've never tried the Hewlett Packard. With the exception of that one that uses a Nikon body, I really don't like the Kodaks. If I were going to spend my money on one now, it'd be a Mavica and probably the FD73. Mostly for the ease of use and because I know that it would be a temporal thing. As Mike noted 3.5 flopettes are on their way out. Macintoshes have already eliminated standard built in 3.5 drive and the others will follow. Knowing that is not going to keep me from using a good product however. I've been on the bleeding edge and I've found that it is always expensive and usually frustrating I take something a year or two behind. How many series owners think that a technology that is obsolete is adequate reason to avoid using it? Heck, Land Rovers, for the most part are obsolete before they're off the drawing board, especially technologically. Imagine, in the year 2000, spending >$70K for a vehicle powered by a pushrod V8 designed in the late 50s. Remember, it's still point and shoot we're talking about, and the cost is in the same category as premium amateur 35mm SLRs. Your choice. Cheers, Gerry Mugele -- ("Peat" '95 D90 SW) *** Under Communism man exploits man but under Capitalism it's the exact opposite. From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Sun Sep 10 19:53:46 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8ANrkb06206 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 19:53:46 -0400 Message-ID: <72726F66BF82D411A79D00D0B78EE4CB09D530@nvrocky.nvidia.com> From: Rick Cording To: "mendo_recce @lists. off-road. com (E-mail)" Subject: Engine Stalling Problem Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 16:47:27 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org was trying to get my truck up to palo alto today (was actually hoping to find a seller), but truck kept stalling on foothill expressway. After 4 in-motion bump starts and 1 stall at a signal light (had to push to side of road), I decided not to continue tempting fate and returned home. Problem first surfaced when someone else was "test driving" several weeks ago, which was not only embarassing, but made it unclear on circumstances prior to problem (kindof a bummer as it was running great prior to that). Ideas on what it might be? I'm pretty green on auto mechanics, so here's my 'weak' opinion: - If fuel was low, the carb might have got some gunk from the bottom of the tank causing intermitant fuel starvation Problem w/ this theory is that eventually you'd think that it would "fix itself" i.e. clean out. - fuel pump problem? Maybe I'm getting some type of vacumn that fuel starves it? Another curiosity is that it'll start right up first time, but if it stalls it won't catch again. I'll give Sean Murphy a call and see if he can help diag it (only gotten probably 100 mi. on it since he did a pretty thorough tune up). Thoughts? thanks in advance, rick From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Sun Sep 10 22:07:41 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8B27fa06403 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 22:07:41 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.32.20000910185922.007ccc10@shell14.ba.best.com> X-Sender: daniel5@shell14.ba.best.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 19:00:20 -0700 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Daniel Oppenheim Subject: Palo Alto ramblings & Urban Adventure interest? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Julia and I want to thank the community for their support of our recent life "roll over." It's so grounding to hook up with friends and see familiar faces and trucks and stories. In this most disorienting time, we can't thank you enough for these blessings. On the topic of Land Rovers- Wow! Seems the meets are drawing more and more unique vehicles. Love those 101's :) Wished we'd had our RR ambulance (it's on a boat from Singapore along with our African expedition rig. Both due here on Sept 28.) I'm fascinated with the care and pride owners show. From expert looking restorations (go Joe!) to practical and useful (TAW) to well traveled (Nick) to original (Tony) to butch, to clean, to funky to purple, there's something for everyone. And the common thread- we're all nuts. Lynn, Mike, Andy, Paul, Reid, Jim and Barbara, Dom, Fil, Bob, Bruce, Erin, Chris, Matthew- coolio connecting with you. I checked my gas mileage back in the city (96 miles round trip, 4.5 gallons) Can anyone top that (21.3 mpg)? A dozen or so folks asked about the Urban Adventure, wanting to give it a go again this year. Roger and I hadn't planned on doing one, but interest seemed high. How many of you might be interested in a mid/late Oct outing? For information on past year's activities, check out: Good to see you all again. We also missed a lot of folks who we hope to see in the not too distant future. Among them the Hesses, Petersons, Sinasohns, Copes, Scott, Dave, Granny, Gerry, Armando, John, Jeremy, Bonars, Rob, Kevin, Ben, Ben, John Hong, Edrick, Jim, Jory, Zack, Karen, Rick, George, Suman, Moosedaddy, Dale, Maria, Brabyn, Curtis, Walsh, Carradine, Jeff and Dorth, Bob and Sue, Cheers, Julia and Daniel From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Sun Sep 10 22:13:35 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8B2DZ206424 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 22:13:35 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.32.20000910190531.007dde30@shell14.ba.best.com> X-Sender: daniel5@shell14.ba.best.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 19:05:32 -0700 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Daniel Oppenheim Subject: Urban Adventure URL Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Sorry I forgot to include the Urban Adventure URL Here it is: http://www.sinasohn.com/urbadv/ Is there a weekend that is "non-conflicting" with other planned LR events? Daniel From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Sun Sep 10 22:27:01 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8B2R1b06447 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 22:27:01 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 19:19:26 -0700 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: john hess Subject: wants? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org HIya, At the Land Rover garage sale a few eeks ago, I bought some series 3 side reflector/light things. I mounted the red ones in the rear on Stubby, to make him more visible, but I have extras if folks need things. I have an extra square red plastic bulb cover and a few red rectangular reflectors. I also have a chrome bezel. This stuff is all used, but should clean up. Postage and a buck will likely net a part or two. cheers, John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Land Rover Dormobile web pages: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby" 1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Sun Sep 10 22:30:01 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8B2U1k06467 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 22:30:01 -0400 From: "Kelly Minnick" To: Subject: RE: Voltage regulator? Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 19:32:14 -0700 Message-ID: <000701c01b98$7f4cea60$d605193f@minnick> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I had to machine mine off (or it can be ground down with a grinder). It's also internally regulated, so it's a one wire affair. Most will run the regulator sense wire over to the battery, though. Hope this helps. Many have swapped, so getting a look at someone's should be easy.. Later, Kelly Minnick > > > I like the idea of a 60 amp Delco alt. Will it use the same bracket? > > Matt Wilson > Veeco metrology / Digital Instruments > Voice: 805-967-2700 XT 322 > Fax: 805-967-7701 > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kelly Minnick [SMTP:kminnick@gte.net] > Sent: Friday, September 08, 2000 12:42 PM > To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > Subject: RE: Voltage regulator? > > Bob's right (as usual). SIII has internally regulated alt. > Stabilizer is > mounted behind the gauges. (kind of like a regulator) You > can buy just > the > regulator for this alt., but I just swapped the whole unit > for the Delco > 60 > Amp... > > Kelly Minnick > > > > > > > > Hi Matt, > > The regulator behind the dash is actually a voltage stabilizer > > for the fuel > > and temp gauges. > > As far as I remember, the S3 alternator is internally regulated. > > So unless you hooked the voltage gauge to the instruments (highly > > (unlikely) instead of a 12V lead, the alternator is suspect. > > As usual, check the connections at the alt,batt,starter > solenoid(serves as > > a junction). Clean the batt connections and the ground cable both > ends. > > > > Bob B > > > > > > At 07:42 AM 9/8/2000 -0700, you wrote: > > > I drove my Series 3 from Santa Barbara to Carmel and Back last > > weekend. ( > > > Now the question about the voltage regulator. I have a > voltage gage > on > > the dash > > >and it normally reads 12 volts with the ignition on > engine off. After > > starting > > >the engine it would jump up to 13volts and stay . Now with the > > engine running > > >the gage fluctuates from 11 volts to 15volts. I have > read the green > bible > > but am > > >still confused. I am assuming the problem is the voltage > > regulator and it's > > >located behind the dash. ( I think I found a spare from the > > previous owner > > and > > >will install it tomorrow) When I look at the wiring diagram it > > looks like the > > >regulator is over by the gages and not in line between the > > alternator and the > > >battery where I thought it should be. Should I be looking at the > > Alternator? > > > I will spend tomorrow under the bonnet, with my volt meter and > > the manual on > > >the wing. I was hoping some one wouldn't mind giving me > a few hints > for > > things I > > >should look at. > > >I have had the truck since May and have had to in hear so many > > Lucas jokes it > > >hurts. I hope this weekend doesn't prove them right :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Matt Wilson > > >Veeco metrology / Digital Instruments > > >Voice: 805-967-2700 XT 322 > > >Fax: 805-967-7701 > > > > > > From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Sun Sep 10 22:57:58 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8B2vwM06555 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 22:57:58 -0400 From: "Kelly Minnick" To: Subject: RE: Engine Stalling Problem Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 20:00:15 -0700 Message-ID: <000901c01b9c$691e1080$d605193f@minnick> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 In-Reply-To: <72726F66BF82D411A79D00D0B78EE4CB09D530@nvrocky.nvidia.com> Importance: Normal Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Rick- Is the fuel filter full of junk? All of my old Rovers had to have their tanks dropped and cleaned out with carb cleaner (the nasty kind out of a dip tank). Check your filter and the bottom of the carb bowl. It doesn't sound electrical, but sometimes that can even be intermittent. Check the fuel system first. Later, Kelly Minnick > > > was trying to get my truck up to palo alto today (was actually hoping to > find a seller), but truck kept stalling on foothill expressway. After 4 > in-motion bump starts and 1 stall at a signal light (had to push > to side of > road), I decided not to continue tempting fate and returned home. Problem > first surfaced when someone else was "test driving" several weeks > ago, which > was not only embarassing, but made it unclear on circumstances prior to > problem (kindof a bummer as it was running great prior to that). Ideas on > what it might be? I'm pretty green on auto mechanics, so here's my 'weak' > opinion: > > From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Sun Sep 10 22:54:48 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8B2smg06535 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 22:54:48 -0400 From: "Kelly Minnick" To: "Mendo" Subject: Mojave picts Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 19:57:05 -0700 Message-ID: <000801c01b9b$f7e16ac0$d605193f@minnick> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Gerry- I get the following while trying to view your picts: The Authorization provided to view this page is not valid Very strange. Any ideas? Later, Kelly Minnick From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Mon Sep 11 00:33:04 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8B4X4L07230 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 00:33:04 -0400 Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 21:27:48 -0700 (MST) From: James Howard To: Mendo list Subject: Cam stuff Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I pulled the camshaft out tonight. According to my calipers, the journals are all about 0.010" smaller than the minimum allowable specified in the manual. There is also pitting on the lobes, not on the peaks but on either side of them. Anyway, a new cam is on the way. Is there anything I need to do about the cam bearings in the block? It doesn't look like it is an easy job to replace them, and the manual doesn't mention it. Are they a harder surface that doesn't wear much? This is the first time I have seen a V8 cam. Very complicated looking. I am surprised the new ones RPi sells are so cheap at 39 pounds. James From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Mon Sep 11 00:50:21 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8B4oLn07267 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 00:50:21 -0400 From: GElam30092@aol.com Message-ID: <5c.75eaf9.26edbd60@aol.com> Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 00:45:20 EDT Subject: Re: Mojave picts To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 119 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In a message dated 9/11/00 4:17:55 AM GMT Daylight Time, kminnick@gte.net writes: << The Authorization provided to view this page is not valid Very strange. Any ideas? Later, >> My father had the same problem. I simply told him to make sure the username was gelam30092@aol.com and the password was gerry....... just tried it and the site is up. He was able to get in on the second try. Sorry for the inconvenience! Gerry From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Mon Sep 11 00:50:18 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8B4oIa07263 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 00:50:18 -0400 Message-ID: <39BC61C1.8A02B3A0@slip.net> Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 21:38:25 -0700 From: Jeremy Bartlett X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Cam stuff References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org James Howard wrote: > Is there anything I need to do about the cam bearings in the block? I'd say if you can get the bearings a good machine shop should be able to replace them. Ideally they should be replaced when a new cam goes in. The existing ones are probably quite worn by the sounds of your cam. Interestingly, they are treated as non serviceable by LR (i.e., dealers aren't provided tools to replace them). Jeremy From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Mon Sep 11 00:52:45 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8B4qjt07277 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 00:52:45 -0400 From: GElam30092@aol.com Message-ID: <38.b331684.26edbded@aol.com> Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 00:47:41 EDT Subject: Re: Cam stuff To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 119 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In a message dated 9/11/00 5:29:40 AM GMT Daylight Time, jhoward@sextans.lowell.edu writes: << This is the first time I have seen a V8 cam. Very complicated looking. I am surprised the new ones RPi sells are so cheap at 39 pounds. >> Let me put in terms you'll soon understand: that's about the cost of a weeks' supply of disposable diapers. :-) Cheers, Gerry From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Mon Sep 11 02:31:43 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8B6VhX07355 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 02:31:43 -0400 Message-Id: <200009110625.XAA13150@proxy4.ba.best.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Tom Walsh" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 23:21:38 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Digital Cameras (was: Mojave something or other) X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.31) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org We have just recently got the olympus camedia 3030 ( 3.3 megapixels ) priced @~ $1k. We are very pleased with it. It has a quicktime movie mode and numerous resolutions that can be used ( for stills & movies ) It has point & click and aperature or shutter priority programs. It saves to flash cards nd I use a floppy adapter to read em into the PC ( although you can also use USB )... I just filled a 64 meg *and* a 16 mb flash card on one set of 4 AA bateries ( thats very good ). It has a zoom ( macro capable ) lens, and can use other lenses ( I haven't looked into it though ) We upgraded from the 1st generation of Mavica which had 640x480 res and floppy storage media.. I liked the old Mavica camera in general ( zoom, and multi lens capable ) but it fell short on resolution, and I hate relying on floppy disk media.. and it had no movie mode... hence the upgrade TomW, YMMV... who does wanna do the Mojave also! > Ok...All... > > I have had two Olympus Digital cameras....first one was the 320 model then I upgraded to the d460 zoom. I am not very easy on my cameras...from camping to parties to dropping them out of the car. > They have with standed me so far...I do have a cracked b > Just my two cents... > > Chris > Moosedaddy > 88RR > > *---------*---------* tomw@best.com From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Mon Sep 11 02:31:41 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8B6VfS07350 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 02:31:41 -0400 Message-Id: <200009110625.XAA13157@proxy4.ba.best.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Tom Walsh" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 23:21:38 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Urban Adventure URL X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.31) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org We may be interested, but the last two weeks of october are already booked. TomW > Sorry I forgot to include the Urban Adventure URL > > Here it is: http://www.sinasohn.com/urbadv/ > > Is there a weekend that is "non-conflicting" with other planned LR events? > > > Daniel > > *---------*---------* tomw@best.com From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Mon Sep 11 02:49:46 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8B6nkj07376 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 02:49:46 -0400 Message-ID: <007c01c01bbb$d1056580$64d2efd1@delllap> From: "Paul Archibald" To: References: <200009110625.XAA13150@proxy4.ba.best.com> Subject: Re: Digital Cameras (was: Mojave something or other) Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 23:44:52 -0700 Organization: P. A. Design X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > > TomW, YMMV... who does wanna do the Mojave also! Over Thanksgiving week-end? ;-) I think we can get a good small group for this time... Paul From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Mon Sep 11 03:25:01 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8B7P1U07412 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 03:25:01 -0400 Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 00:19:40 -0700 (MST) From: James Howard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Cam stuff In-Reply-To: <39BC61C1.8A02B3A0@slip.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org On Sun, 10 Sep 2000, Jeremy Bartlett wrote: > I'd say if you can get the bearings a good machine shop should be able to > replace them. Ideally they should be replaced when a new cam goes in. The > existing ones are probably quite worn by the sounds of your cam. > Interestingly, they are treated as non serviceable by LR (i.e., dealers aren't > provided tools to replace them). Hmm. I guess I would need to pull the engine to do this. I really don't want to. I couldn't find a spec in the manual for the size of the cam bearings. Would you happen to know what this is? From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Mon Sep 11 12:07:42 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8BG7gh07941 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 12:07:42 -0400 X-Originating-IP: [63.207.15.80] From: "Lou Weinert" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Palo Alto ramblings & Urban Adventure interest? Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 16:02:44 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Sep 2000 16:02:44.0644 (UTC) FILETIME=[B8C2EE40:01C01C09] Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I lurked around the Rovers for a bit, I couldn't stay too long. But it was inspiring though. Joe's 109 is truely scrumptious! All I could think was, "I gotta get me a Series". -Lou Weinert PS Upon looking under Joe's rig all I could think was, "that is the biggest f*****g differential I've ever seen!" What was that? _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Mon Sep 11 12:39:09 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8BGd9e07972 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 12:39:09 -0400 User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 09:27:49 -0700 Subject: Re: steering binding up - range rover cv's? From: Luke To: , rover Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <006f01c01a7a$5d0ae020$0200a8c0@vaio> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org looks like the cv exploded. got any good leads on replacements cv's? brit pac has them for a mere 279.00 seems a bit high but i've never had to replace one of these on the rover. how much are they selling the u-joint replacements for? is it recommended to replace both sides with the u-joints or can you keep one side cv and the other side u? anyone else got a cv they want to part with? -luke > From: "Michael Slade" > Organization: DreamLab. > Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > Date: 9 Sep 2000 09:24:00 -0700 > To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > Subject: Re: steering binding up - range rover cv's? > > Hey James, > > We've seen catastrophic CV joint failure here in Portland recently, and in > most cases it's lack of lubrication. Look for the usual heat scorch marks > on the cage, balls and weird round-ish gear shaped thing with inner splines > (does that thing have a name?). > > Anyway, that's what I'd look for. Other than that, I'm not sure you could > tell if one was going to fail. > > I did take one of mine apart about 1 1/2 years ago, and there was a lot of > rust and muck in it. I cleaned it all up, regreased it, and it's been fine > ever since. I run either 265/75/16's, or 235/85/16's, or 31x10.50x15's on > the RR, and haven't broken a CV yet. > > YMMV, so use your best judgement. There is a small supply of spare CV > joints up here if you are desperate for a replacement. > > Additionally, there is a small outfit here in Portland who is offering front > and rear hardened axle replacements using U-joints instead of CV's. I have > seen a set in a D90, and a set is in my Serious One right now. The set in > the D90 has run for a year without any problems. > > I can give you more information if you'd like. > > Later, > > M > > From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Mon Sep 11 13:49:20 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8BHnKc08038 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 13:49:20 -0400 Message-ID: <20000911174343.23703.rocketmail@web221.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 10:43:43 -0700 (PDT) From: joe mulqueen Subject: digicamera (No LR content) To: mendo MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org FWIW: I purchased a Canon S10 for $429 about 3 mos ago (internet purchase). 2.1 mpixel; compact, stout, body design; 2x opt, 3x dig zoom (it is a small pkg); compact flash memory (downloads 8mb in about 20 secs via USB); 3 adjustable levels of both resolution & compression. JoeMulqueen '67 SIIA 109 Station Wagon PS. Image quality degrades when relying on digital zoom. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Mon Sep 11 13:59:10 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8BHxA608052 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 13:59:10 -0400 Date: 11 Sep 2000 22:57:12 -0700 Message-ID: <009e01c01c7e$4c24a1a0$0200a8c0@vaio> From: "Michael Slade" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org References: Subject: Re: steering binding up - range rover cv's? Organization: DreamLab. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Luke, The U-joint replacement axles are usually done both sides, front and rear, and cost just under $2000. If I were you I'd get the CV from Brit pac and call it good. You won't want to replace both in one day anyway, so just get one now and one next month and do them seperately. If one has grenaded, the other can't be that far off. (IMO). If you want more info on the U-joint kit, e-mail me off-list and I'll give you the details I have. Later, M From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Mon Sep 11 14:16:05 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8BIG5v08082 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 14:16:05 -0400 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 11:14:03 -0800 Subject: wanted: IIa gas tanks From: Jeff Rogers To: Mendo Recce List Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org hello all: my buddy scott recently purchased "posh", a '63 sIIa 109 SW. posh needs an aux fuel tank. anyone have one they'd be willing to part with? pleas let me know. thanks, jeff From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Mon Sep 11 14:27:37 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8BIRb308096 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 14:27:37 -0400 Message-ID: <27805335C7CAD31198E8009027D5EDEE4E8B89@Rcexs2> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: wanted: IIa gas tanks Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 12:24:45 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "..... posh needs an aux fuel tank. anyone have one they'd be willing to part with?...." I have one fitted to my 109 SW now that originally came form a Mendoite. Nick Baggerly maybe? Anyway, it goes under the PS seat box, and extends under the floor all the way up to the bulkhead outrigger. Holds about 16 gal. I really like it and can't bear to part with it, but I suspect a similar one could be fabbed by a local welder. If you'd like, I can provide some dimensions (also have pix of the install, awaiting a proper write-up). This is, as far as I can tell, a custom job, but maybe Nick can elaborate on it's history. -Dave G. PS- it's a joy to cruise around in the diesel with 35 gal of fuel available w/o gerry cans! :^) From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Mon Sep 11 14:49:36 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8BIna308115 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 14:49:36 -0400 Message-ID: <27805335C7CAD31198E8009027D5EDEE4E8B8D@Rcexs2> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: The Mojave...... Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 12:46:43 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Wow Gerry, It sounds (and looks) like you had a great trip. I was not too far away, visiting the Kern River and Mammoth areas over the past week. I was with my friends Fred and Jamie which some may remember from the March Mojave Road trip, and we were in Jamie's 4-runner. I hope to make the trip next year in the 109 since Fred will be in El Paso by then ,and it will be convenient to drive from my place to his one day, and leave for CA the next. We might even be able to stop and see you, or do the Mojave as the beginning part of the trip. For all you US-50 junkies, like me, out there, I picked up an EXCELLENT book at the ranger's station/rest stop in Lone Pine along US 395. It's called something like, "America's Lonliest Road", published by Nevada Mines and Geology. It's 8.5x11, spiral bound on the short axis, maybe 50 pgs, mostly b&w, with a few color plates. It treats US 50 (in Nevada) kind of like the Mojave road book does. Mileages with decriptions of roadside flora and fauna, plus 8 or 10 interesting side trips. It's a fantastic book, and makes me want to go drive the road again, taking a week to see all of the neat things in the book. One intriguing thing I didn't know is that Sand Mountain, across the dry lake east of Fallon, is what is called a "booming" sand dune, and makes lots of noise as it cools/heats throughout the day. Now I have to go back just to listen to it! -Dave G. PS - lemme know if anyone wants the ISBN From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Mon Sep 11 20:14:30 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8C0EUp08440 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 20:14:30 -0400 From: StevHutch@aol.com Message-ID: <10.2222d18.26eece34@aol.com> Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 20:09:24 EDT Subject: Re: doing ze Alaska Trip To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 101 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi Karen, Did the Alcan trip (L.A. to Anchorage) in 1988, it was a 8900+ mile trip in our Series III. 1) The Milepost Guide is a must, and a lifesaver in locating all amenities along the way. 2) Carry an extended set of tools/spares (I even took a coil and extra alternator! The coil saved us when approx. 150 miles from the Alaska border), extra headlights, tire repair kit +mini-compressor. A jerry can per vehicle would be helpful for the one or two really long sections between stations.....(dual fuel tanks are a must) A top-notch first-aid kit & survival gear is a good idea. 3) Always check locally before camping ...some areas particularly along the highway in Canada bears are a problem. For that reason we took along a 12 guage pump with slugs for last ditch defense. Don't even think of taking a handgun...illegal in Canada, and they will search you at the border if you arrive in expedition/backcountry capable vehicle. Shotguns are no problem, and no special permits or license needed. As an alternative they have the pepper-mace type bear spray...get the Big can. 4) Consider plexiglass covers for the front windshields...i.e. the gravel trucks do fling alot of rocks when passing you...but we made it ok without them. 5) On the Kassiar (sp?) Highway , do watch for aircraft approaching on the wide sections of the road...as they are occasionally used as landing strips, but signs do warn of this. 6) Yield for moose...Tip: watch for small tress/brushshaking as they prepare to enter the road. 7) Plan carefully how you pack everything......by the second week we had totally changed how everything went in to make it easier to unpack the tent/bedding/cook gear, as one can get very hungry and grouchy after 8 hours of bouncing along in a rover day after day. Can send you more area specific details...if I dig up my old trip notes...just let me know. - Steve Hutchins stevhutch@aol.com '74 Series III 88" DotCom worker bee ----------------------------------- From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Mon Sep 11 21:20:52 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8C1Kq608500 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 21:20:52 -0400 Message-ID: <39BD8296.259FDE81@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 18:10:46 -0700 From: "Franklin H. Yap" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: doing ze Alaska Trip References: <10.2222d18.26eece34@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org StevHutch@aol.com wrote: > >A jerry can per vehicle > would be helpful for the one or two really long sections between > stations..... This is also important because stations are not always open, particularly if you go late summer. > 3) Always check locally before camping ...some areas particularly along the > highway in Canada bears are a problem. I've heard this .. but the only bear we saw in 2 weeks of camping was in Denali National Park. Most people we met didn't seem particularly concerned. I even saw a woman bicycle riding/camping alone along the Dempster. Probably more risky driving thru certain parts of the Bay Area. > Don't even think of taking a > handgun...illegal in Canada, and they will search you at the border if you > arrive in expedition/backcountry capable vehicle. Shotguns are no problem, > and no special permits or license needed. As an alternative they have the > pepper-mace type bear spray...get the Big can. You should have your hunting license if taking a long arm. Not required, but I think it makes the customs people more comfortable with it. (Not a bunch of yahoos with firearms.) > 4) Consider plexiglass covers for the front windshields...i.e. the gravel > trucks do fling alot of rocks when passing you...but we made it ok without > them. Plexiglass sounds like a good idea but could be unusable. I took one that I designed to sit off the front of the windshield but didn't use it. I gave to someone who broke his windshield on the Dempster. I found that the dust and mud - numerous short showers - made use of the wipers necessary. (How would you clean the plexiglas as you drive?) You can get the LR windshield replaced fairly cheaply. People I spoke to up there don't bother worrying about cracked windshield. They wait till it gets really bad and then replace it. If you have a heated windshield, then you should take efforts to protect it because it is expensive to replace. I think Gerry M used a netting across the windshield. If you get hairline cracks/chips, the glass shop told me to clean it then put tape over it to keep the dirt out. You can then use a repair kit to patch the damaged areas when you get to town (sold at local Napa or by glass shop). > 6) Yield for moose...Tip: watch for small tress/brushshaking as they prepare > to enter the road. Not just moose but other animals. I had to slam on my brake to avoid a beaver along the Cassiar. > 7.., as one can get very hungry and grouchy after 8 hours > of bouncing along in a rover day after day. Take a hot shower - it'll make you feel better. Most gas stations have showers. If you're in a small town, try the Laundromat. Frank From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Mon Sep 11 21:58:01 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8C1w1u08544 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 21:58:01 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Michaels, Tim" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: Alaska Trip Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 18:52:51 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Karen, you may want to consider shipping your trucks all the way to Alaska on the ferry (you'd still need to get them to Bellingham, WA) and meeting them in Seward, Whittier, or Valdez, and then shipping them home while you fly back. That would give you more time to bop around AK, but then you'll miss the drive up the AlCan. The AlCan is gruelling, but it's the only way to really get a feel for how far from everything AK is, and it's interesting to watch the trees, rivers, lakes, and wildlife change the further north you go. B.C. has beautiful park-like campgrounds (they're *really* into lawns), and Liard Hot Springs is like heaven after three days of driving. (There's also a really cool junk yard in either Prince George or Fort Nelson that has a bunch of LRs and Unimogs.) If you've never been to Alaska, here's what I'd recommend, but if you do it don't hate me for it: drive up the Alcan, cruise over to Fairbanks and down past Denali (if you want to stay in Denali Park, make reservations now!) to Anchorage, cruise around Southcentral (Homer, Seward, and all the beautiful stuff in between on the Sterling Highway), and then head over to Valdez to catch a ferry home (http://www.dot.state.ak.us/external/amhs/home.html). Now that's a vacation! One thing to keep in mind is how truly immense the state is -- it's not a good place to try to cram everything into one trip. IMO, most of the good stuff is in the Southcentral/Southeast part, but I'm really into fishing and hanging out by the ocean. There are still many parts of the state that I still haven't seen, and I just keep telling myself that I'll get to them on some future trip up there. If you're really feeling adventurous, the haul road to Prudhoe Bay is open (by permit) -- you get to cross the Arctic Circle halfway through the trip, and in July it won't ever get dark up there for more than an hour or so. Have fun! Tim > Tim: > > Thanks for the suggestion on the reference, I'll try to > locate a copy. As to > the 4 weeks, unfortunately it has to be 3 weeks for us, hence > the push to > ship the trucks to Vancouver. Another thing might be to ship > to Montana and > drive the AlCan starting from there. But for us it has to be > 3 weeks total, > as that is all the vacation time we get (and they take 2-3 > days of mine each > year for the year end plant shutdown) plus it is going to > take a lot to get > permission for my husband to take more than 2 weeks in a row. From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Mon Sep 11 22:05:13 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8C25Du08557 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 22:05:13 -0400 From: "Shannon Holland" To: Subject: RE: doing ze Alaska Trip Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 18:59:35 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <39BD8296.259FDE81@earthlink.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > > 3) Always check locally before camping ...some areas > particularly along the > > highway in Canada bears are a problem. > > I've heard this .. but the only bear we saw in 2 weeks of camping was in > Denali National Park. Most people we met didn't seem particularly > concerned. I even saw a woman bicycle riding/camping alone along the > Dempster. Probably more risky driving thru certain parts of the Bay > Area. While driving towards dusk along Hwy 37 in B.C. I was thinking about camping near the road (getting low on gas and the stations were closed). Just about then I saw four black bears grazing alongside the road (two had two cubs each). Would have been very nervous if I was one of the many people touring on bicylcles! It's definately a good idea to check the local bear conditions. Problem bears tend to develop regular patterns - you do not want to become part of that! > > Don't even think of taking a > > handgun...illegal in Canada, and they will search you at the > border if you > > arrive in expedition/backcountry capable vehicle. Shotguns are > no problem, > > and no special permits or license needed. As an alternative > they have the > > pepper-mace type bear spray...get the Big can. > > You should have your hunting license if taking a long arm. Not > required, but I think it makes the customs people more comfortable with > it. (Not a bunch of yahoos with firearms.) A hunting license does sound like a good idea. I did take a 12g shotgun with me - didn't have any trouble in customs (it was a pump - a semiauto would have gotten more questions). In the end I never did anything with it, used the bear spray instead (well never used, but carried). The thing about a gun is it's only useful if it's accessable. I wasn't interested in carrying a gun with me all day long. However, a can of bear spray can easily fit on a belt. The other aspect to a gun is there's a very good chance of really pissing the bear off - this is bad! Shotguns definately help here, but it's definately something to consider. The other aspect to guns is that about 95% of charges are bluffs. As soon as a gun has been fired at a bear, the situation is pretty much elevated to life or death. You must also be a very quick shot - most charges start from within 40 feet - a bear can cover 40 feet in about a second. We almost had the chance of using the bear spray last year in Wrangell St. Elias National Park but unfortunately it was attached to the pack a black bear was trying to steal (well, was in the process of stealing). So, we used lots of rocks and yelling and screaming and my friend now has three tooth holes in the top of his pack to tell stories about. Probably the best recomendation I've seen for the spray is the number of locals in various parts of Alaska and Canada that I've seen carrying it or recomend it strongly. Two notes about it however: 1. It seems that while bears hate to have it sprayed in their nose/eyes (I accidenly got a small whiff of the stuff and can't blame them), they like it when it's been sprayed on other things. There have been numerous reports of bears coming along and rolling on areas of the ground that were sprayed. Must be related to my dog in their attraction to stinky things! 2. It's not allowed on airplanes (the bushplane pilots will let you take it, they just store it seperately). I'm told commercial airlines get really mad if you pack it in your suitcase (and defiantely don't take it on board!). > > 6) Yield for moose...Tip: watch for small tress/brushshaking as > they prepare > > to enter the road. > > Not just moose but other animals. I had to slam on my brake to avoid a > beaver along the Cassiar. Yes, they can be bad. Probably the closest thing I've come to hitting was a bear that almost popped over a divider into our car - wish I had been able to take a photo of its expression when it saw us! Two paws appeared on the top of the divider (concrete center divider at the edge of the road) and then the head just as our car was alongside it. Two eyes went very wide and then departed quickly. Shannon From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Mon Sep 11 22:33:01 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8C2X1F08588 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 22:33:01 -0400 Message-ID: <39BD9328.8FF199D6@slip.net> Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 19:21:28 -0700 From: Jeremy Bartlett X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Cam stuff References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org James Howard wrote: > I couldn't find a spec in the manual for the size of the cam > bearings. Would you happen to know what this is? I can't offer a great deal more than that having never had to do a set on a used Rover V8. I believe that most folks replacing tired cams have not bothered with new bearings since I know cams are replaced and the bearings not. Ideally a new cam would have standard new bearings but experience seems to indicate you can get away without them (sort of scary). If the bearings were replaced then a standard set would be used. I doubt you'd find a spec for them since a standard set should ideally accompany a new crank (as oppossed to undersize as for cranks where a ground journal would typically be sized 0.010, 0.020 up to 0.030. Having sad that I'm only used to seeing it with cranks and come to think of it I wouldn't be surprised if the cam bearings only come in one size. ) Jeremy From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Mon Sep 11 22:43:29 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8C2hTL08603 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 22:43:29 -0400 Message-ID: <39BD9599.55202686@slip.net> Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 19:31:53 -0700 From: Jeremy Bartlett X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: steering binding up - range rover cv's? References: <009e01c01c7e$4c24a1a0$0200a8c0@vaio> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Michael Slade wrote: > The U-joint replacement axles are usually done both sides, front and rear, > and cost just under $2000. ? Rear? So what's the ride like with permanent drive on the U-joints anyway? Jeremy From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Mon Sep 11 23:41:37 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8C3fb709038 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 23:41:37 -0400 Date: 12 Sep 2000 08:39:40 -0700 Message-ID: <005a01c01ccf$ab329200$e5f082d0@vaio> From: "Michael Slade" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org References: <009e01c01c7e$4c24a1a0$0200a8c0@vaio> <39BD9599.55202686@slip.net> Subject: Re: steering binding up - range rover cv's? Organization: DreamLab. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Actually, it's not that bad. The only time you ever notice it binding up is at full lock, low range, going very slow with the weight of the vehicle on one wheel (outside downhill turn). Even then, it's just enough to remind you that you don't have a CV (and are glad of it). I re-read my post about the rear U-joints and should explain. They are custom special order above and beyond the basic set of axles. It does require complete replacement of the pfezter valve though. Later, M From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Mon Sep 11 23:54:06 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8C3s6009062 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 23:54:06 -0400 Message-ID: <001d01c01c6c$08629ce0$7b1ad1d1@computer> From: "Granville Pool" To: References: Subject: What Was That? (Was: Re: Palo Alto) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 20:42:39 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Lou wrote: > PS Upon looking under Joe's rig all I could think was, "that is the biggest > f*****g differential I've ever seen!" What was that? With that description, I'll hazard a guess that it was an ENV rear axle. I used to have a 109 that had one (was seen at the PA leak at least once under its newer ownership). Granny From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Tue Sep 12 00:35:34 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8C4ZYx09712 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 00:35:34 -0400 Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 21:30:19 -0700 (MST) From: James Howard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Cam stuff In-Reply-To: <39BD9328.8FF199D6@slip.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Thanks. I guess I will compare the new cam's journals with the bearings, and see what kind of clearance there is. On Mon, 11 Sep 2000, Jeremy Bartlett wrote: > James Howard wrote: > > > I couldn't find a spec in the manual for the size of the cam > > bearings. Would you happen to know what this is? > > I can't offer a great deal more than that having never had to do a set on a used > Rover V8. I believe that most folks replacing tired cams have not bothered with new > bearings since I know cams are replaced and the bearings not. Ideally a new cam > would have standard new bearings but experience seems to indicate you can get away > without them (sort of scary). If the bearings were replaced then a standard set > would be used. I doubt you'd find a spec for them since a standard set should > ideally accompany a new crank (as oppossed to undersize as for cranks where a ground > journal would typically be sized 0.010, 0.020 up to 0.030. Having sad that I'm only > used to seeing it with cranks and come to think of it I wouldn't be surprised if the > cam bearings only come in one size. ) > > Jeremy > > From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Tue Sep 12 01:02:56 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8C52u509740 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 01:02:56 -0400 Message-ID: <39BDB646.8EE41A1D@slip.net> Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 21:51:19 -0700 From: Jeremy Bartlett X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: steering binding up - range rover cv's? References: <009e01c01c7e$4c24a1a0$0200a8c0@vaio> <39BD9599.55202686@slip.net> <005a01c01ccf$ab329200$e5f082d0@vaio> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Michael Slade wrote: > Actually, it's not that bad. The only time you ever notice it binding up > is at full lock, low range, going very slow with the weight of the vehicle > on one wheel (outside downhill turn). Even then, it's just enough to remind > you that you don't have a CV (and are glad of it). Hmmm. Remind me. Your vehicle is pre-ABS? Jeremy From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Tue Sep 12 02:13:13 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8C6DDP09774 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 02:13:13 -0400 Date: 12 Sep 2000 11:11:12 -0700 Message-ID: <00a201c01ce4$d6709ec0$e5f082d0@vaio> From: "Michael Slade" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org References: <009e01c01c7e$4c24a1a0$0200a8c0@vaio> <39BD9599.55202686@slip.net> <005a01c01ccf$ab329200$e5f082d0@vaio> <39BDB646.8EE41A1D@slip.net> Subject: Re: steering binding up - range rover cv's? Organization: DreamLab. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org No. My RR is a 1990. I don't have those axles in it. One of the guys running them now has them in a D90, my set is going in my Serious One, and the third set is going in a custom Bob-tailed Range Rover. There is no provision to keep the ABS ring or function once switching to these axles. Any other questions? ;) M From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Tue Sep 12 02:51:37 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8C6pbK09808 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 02:51:37 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.32.20000911234332.007b5470@shell14.ba.best.com> X-Sender: daniel5@shell14.ba.best.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 23:43:34 -0700 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Daniel Oppenheim Subject: bulkhead woes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I worked all day taking off the wings and all the ancillaries, wiring brackets, etc in hopes of removing the bulkhead from my 1960 Ser II. I even got the monster bolts out without cutting them (I jumped off the wheel onto the air rachet to maximize the torque. Kinda picture the flying Walenda's in a garage!) When I tried to lift the bulkhead up, it seems to be attached to the floor frame. The part that goes under the seat box. No picture I have indicates there are these "feet" on the bulkhead, but I only have the parts and green bible which indicates a publish date of 1968. Any ideas? Have any of you taken the bulkhead out with these extensions on them? Thanks for your input. Cheers, Daniel From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Tue Sep 12 09:45:22 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8CDjMa10223 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 09:45:22 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000912063959.00814100@mail.saber.net> X-Sender: bobnsueb@mail.saber.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 06:39:59 -0700 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Bob & Sue Bernard Subject: Re: bulkhead woes In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.20000911234332.007b5470@shell14.ba.best.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org At 11:43 PM 9/11/2000 -0700, you wrote: >I worked all day taking off the wings and all the ancillaries, wiring >brackets, etc in hopes of removing the bulkhead from my 1960 Ser II. I even >got the monster bolts out without cutting them (I jumped off the wheel onto >the air rachet to maximize the torque. Kinda picture the flying Walenda's >in a garage!) Hi Daniel, What a cool mental picture I have of you jumping on it! For leverage I use a piece of pipe on a lifetime guaranteed Craftsman breaker bar. (Only broke it once, and that was without the extension) The bracket that mounts the steering box has some bolts through the firewall, and there is one on both sides. There should be some shims under the one at the steering box. Bob B >When I tried to lift the bulkhead up, it seems to be attached to the floor >frame. The part that goes under the seat box. No picture I have indicates >there are these "feet" on the bulkhead, but I only have the parts and green >bible which indicates a publish date of 1968. > >Any ideas? Have any of you taken the bulkhead out with these extensions on >them? Thanks for your input. > >Cheers, > >Daniel > From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Tue Sep 12 11:43:59 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8CFhxG10441 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 11:43:59 -0400 Message-ID: <20000912153901.13198.qmail@web214.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 08:39:01 -0700 (PDT) From: joe mulqueen Subject: Rear axle To: mendo MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org It's a BP sourced Salisbury axle. JoeMulqueen Lou wrote: > PS Upon looking under Joe's rig all I could think was, "that is the biggest > f*****g differential I've ever seen!" What was that? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Tue Sep 12 11:58:40 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8CFweU10487 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 11:58:40 -0400 Message-Id: <200009121602.JAA28062@blackie.cruzers.com> Subject: Re: Rear axle Date: Tue, 12 Sep 00 08:56:01 -0700 x-sender: twakeman@mail.cruzers.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: "mendo rec list" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >It's a BP sourced Salisbury axle. >JoeMulqueen So that makes three Salisbury's in a row plus one diagonal rear and one diagonal front to my car. Joes beautiful 109 was parked next to Nicks Salsibury equipped Dornie that was parked next to my Salsibury equipped Dormie which was diagonally in front of a Salisbury equipped D110 and diagonally behind a Salisbury equipped Camel trophy 110. I estimate 9 Salisbuty equipped LRs parked on the lawn Sunday. TeriAnn http://www.overlander.net The world's most complete set of links connecting Rover 4X4 owners with Rover parts, service, accessory & sales companies world wide. From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Tue Sep 12 12:28:17 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8CGSH210528 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 12:28:17 -0400 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 09:26:13 -0800 Subject: RE: wanted: IIa gas tanks From: Jeff Rogers To: Mendo Recce List Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org thanks david, but we're gonna go the easy route and buy an existing tank from one of the many mendoites that replied. thanks! -->jeff > From: "Gomes, David" > Subject: RE: wanted: IIa gas tanks > > "..... posh needs an aux fuel tank. anyone have one they'd be > willing to part with?...." > > I have one fitted to my 109 SW now that originally came form a Mendoite. > Nick Baggerly maybe? Anyway, it goes under the PS seat box, and extends > under the floor all the way up to the bulkhead outrigger. Holds about 16 > gal. I really like it and can't bear to part with it, but I suspect a > similar one could be fabbed by a local welder. If you'd like, I can provide > some dimensions (also have pix of the install, awaiting a proper write-up). > This is, as far as I can tell, a custom job, but maybe Nick can elaborate on > it's history. > > - -Dave G. > > PS- it's a joy to cruise around in the diesel with 35 gal of fuel available > w/o gerry cans! :^) From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Tue Sep 12 14:01:01 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8CI11810595 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 14:01:01 -0400 From: "Granville Pool" To: "Mendo_Recce (E-mail)" Subject: BP Special for old 4-speed grey-market RRs Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 11:05:39 -0700 Message-ID: <000101c01ce4$0fc89a20$6967a8c0@gensrv.co.mendocino.ca.us> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org September 12, 2000 Handbrake Boot Grey Market Range Rover LHD, pre 5-speed Here's something old and odd from the top shelf. If you have a truck that uses these it's immediately recognizable. We're gonna get 'em out at below cost. $20 Might be useful to at least one on this list. Granny From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Tue Sep 12 14:54:50 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8CIsoj10628 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 14:54:50 -0400 Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 13:50:22 -0500 From: esimpson@acesag.auburn.edu (Eugene H. Simpson III) Message-Id: <200009121850.NAA03343@comer70.acesag.auburn.edu> To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Sightings - None X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Mendoites, I've been in the Russian Far East for the past 3+ weeks (Blagoveschensk and Khabarovsk for you geograpy buffs) and am sad to report that not even one LR was sighted. But at least I now know where most of Japan's used cars wind up. Going rate on a 3-4 year old Lex LS400 or Tojo LC is US$10-12,000. All are RHD and most have 80-120,000km on the clock (50-75,000 miles). Saw plenty of the old Russian Uaz trucks, series look- and work-alikes, but not one LR anywhere. They look very similar to an 88, and are similarly equipped. Actually pretty neat vehicles, but even if you could import one, I'll bet finding parts would be a chore. My driver in Moscow (just a quick overnight stop) said there are a few Discos and RRs around town, but we didn't see any. Did not see a new car dealership in either Blago (pop. 220,000) or Khab (pop. 900,000). The whole country is still in the midst of a great depression, although Moscow seems much more "spuced up" than I remember from the fall of '97. Maybe the newfound prosperity in and around Moscow will begin migrating into the interior before too long. 90% of the factories are idle, and few livestock are seen anywhere. And for you aviation folks, senior pilots with Aeroflot are now up to US$100 a month! Anyway, it's good to be back. First order of business was to start Fetch and drive him around the block a few times (at 2:30 a.m.). Say goodbye to the "backward" toilets, no hot water, and sporadic electrical service. We sure do take a lot for granted. Gene Simpson Auburn, AL '64 SIIA 88 "Fetch" '97 Disco SE-7 "Oui Geaux" '95 Dodge Pickup From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Tue Sep 12 20:37:11 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8D0bBa11144 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 20:37:11 -0400 From: "Kelly Minnick" To: Subject: RE: Cam stuff Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 17:39:43 -0700 Message-ID: <000401c01d1b$1bc212c0$dc05193f@minnick> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Can you tell I'm reading my mail BACKWARDS! Anyhow, the bearings are a soft babbit material on a steel shell, one piece with a split in it. They are hammered in with a driver. Sockets will do in a pinch. You just need to put them in in the correct ORDER (otherwise you will be pulling some out to put others in - don't ask). run-in/break-in lube is a must (a mixture of high-molly grease & STP works, too). Be very careful putting in the new cam so as not to damage the soft bearings. I'm very surprised there is wear on the journals. Can you see scratches, etc.? Are the bearings scored as well? Pitting on the back side seems to be normal (cams in my ST1100 have this - no problems). I think that's a casting/forging problem. Are you meaning this with a mic? Later, Kelly Minnick > > > > I pulled the camshaft out tonight. According to my calipers, the journals > are all about 0.010" smaller than the minimum allowable specified in the > manual. There is also pitting on the lobes, not on the peaks but on > either side of them. Anyway, a new cam is on the way. > > Is there anything I need to do about the cam bearings in the block? It > doesn't look like it is an easy job to replace them, and the manual > doesn't mention it. Are they a harder surface that doesn't wear much? > > This is the first time I have seen a V8 cam. Very complicated looking. I > am surprised the new ones RPi sells are so cheap at 39 pounds. > > James > > > From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Tue Sep 12 20:28:15 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8D0SFd11133 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 20:28:15 -0400 From: "Kelly Minnick" To: Subject: RE: Cam stuff Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 17:30:48 -0700 Message-ID: <000301c01d19$dd0d5400$dc05193f@minnick> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 In-Reply-To: <39BC61C1.8A02B3A0@slip.net> Importance: Normal Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Actually, they rarely wear unless there is a oil starvation problem. Cam lobes and lifters (and rockers) wear, though. Later, Kelly Minnick > > > James Howard wrote: > > > Is there anything I need to do about the cam bearings in the block? > > I'd say if you can get the bearings a good machine shop should be able to > replace them. Ideally they should be replaced when a new cam > goes in. The > existing ones are probably quite worn by the sounds of your cam. > Interestingly, they are treated as non serviceable by LR (i.e., > dealers aren't > provided tools to replace them). > > Jeremy > > From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Tue Sep 12 20:23:31 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8D0NVH11126 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 20:23:31 -0400 From: "Kelly Minnick" To: Subject: RE: Cam stuff Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 17:26:02 -0700 Message-ID: <000201c01d19$32520d80$dc05193f@minnick> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org There is only one size. In American engines, the bearings are pressed in and the cam plops right in. Not so for the British. They are pressed in and honed/line bored to size. This had to be done on my SIII since I replaced the cam bearings (didn't need it, but it's a simple job, right? - no). RPI has cam bearings that are made like the American ones where you press them in and you are good to go. Many people re-use their stock bearings. But, if you do a real tear down and hot-tank the block and have it pressure-checked, etc., the bearings will have to go as they don't like the citric acid... Make sure you use lots of run-in lube for the cam & lifters. Also, are you doing the rockers and rocker shafts? Use lube on those too. BTW, if you break in a new cam, fire the beast up and idle it at 2000 - 2500 rpm for 15 - 20 minutes to thoroughly lube the cam and parts. Many don't do this on their new engine (you can bearing seize a cam if you don't). Also, (probably already know this) the oil pump needs to be FILLED with petroleum jelly (have to take it apart to fill it). This is because the pump is not self-priming and has that funny pick-up tube that will be full of air, not oil... Later, Kelly Minnick > > > > Thanks. I guess I will compare the new cam's journals with the bearings, > and see what kind of clearance there is. > > On Mon, 11 Sep 2000, Jeremy Bartlett wrote: > > > James Howard wrote: > > > > > I couldn't find a spec in the manual for the size of the cam > > > bearings. Would you happen to know what this is? > > > > I can't offer a great deal more than that having never had to > do a set on a used > > Rover V8. I believe that most folks replacing tired cams have > not bothered with new > > bearings since I know cams are replaced and the bearings not. > Ideally a new cam > > would have standard new bearings but experience seems to > indicate you can get away > > without them (sort of scary). If the bearings were replaced > then a standard set > > would be used. I doubt you'd find a spec for them since a > standard set should > > ideally accompany a new crank (as oppossed to undersize as for > cranks where a ground > > journal would typically be sized 0.010, 0.020 up to 0.030. > Having sad that I'm only > > used to seeing it with cranks and come to think of it I > wouldn't be surprised if the > > cam bearings only come in one size. ) > > > > Jeremy > > > > > > From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Tue Sep 12 22:51:33 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8D2pX511293 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 22:51:33 -0400 X-Originating-IP: [64.163.138.53] From: "Lou Weinert" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Rear axle Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 02:46:35 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Sep 2000 02:46:36.0185 (UTC) FILETIME=[D55E0890:01C01D2C] Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Joe, Thanks for informing me. I really liked your rig and it has thoroughly planted a bee in my bonnet for a IIA or III 109 SW. Ugh! -Lou Weinert _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Wed Sep 13 00:08:50 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8D48o111456 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 00:08:50 -0400 X-Originating-IP: [24.1.75.134] From: "Fil F." To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: trip next week ? Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 12:03:56 PHT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Sep 2000 04:03:56.0409 (UTC) FILETIME=[A3280690:01C01D37] Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org is there an upcoming NCRC trip next week?, i lost/misplaced my newsletters and Tony M. ( at the PA leak) mentioned that there is an upcoming trip in the sierras next week or at the end of this month, i don't remember but if there is any i would like to know thanks, fil _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Wed Sep 13 00:16:49 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8D4GnE11886 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 00:16:49 -0400 Message-Id: <200009130411.e8D4BPS16477@swamp.blacker.gdbg.org> From: Benjamin Allan Smith To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: LR Sighting Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 23:11:25 -0500 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Today was a good day. I saw my 2nd Series Land Rover in Texas. It was a brown, soft top, 3 door, Series III 109" parked in downtown Austin. Unfortunately, I didn't get a chance to stop and look but it did make my day. Ben From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Wed Sep 13 00:16:49 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8D4GnL11887 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 00:16:49 -0400 From: GElam30092@aol.com Message-ID: <17.aea7d3f.26f05887@aol.com> Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 00:11:51 EDT Subject: Re: Digital Cameras (was: Mojave something or other) To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 119 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In a message dated 9/10/2000 11:46:02 PM US Mountain Standard Time, paarch@jps.net writes: << Over Thanksgiving week-end? ;-) I think we can get a good small group for this time... >> .....and, if you can't make that one, there's always the possibility of the tradition, freeze-your-butt-off-at-night-and-be-in-a-sleeping-bag-well-before-midnight New Year's trip! :-) Cheers, Gerry From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Wed Sep 13 00:23:21 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8D4NLd11911 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 00:23:21 -0400 Message-ID: <004c01c01d39$b24b6200$38ccefd1@delllap> From: "Paul Archibald" To: References: <200009130411.e8D4BPS16477@swamp.blacker.gdbg.org> Subject: Re: LR Sighting Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 21:18:32 -0700 Organization: P. A. Design X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Ben, It's a sad day when you think of the fact in a city as big as Austin, in all the months you've been there, three out of five are your own. ;-( There used to be series around texas in the old days from what I understand. where are they? ...but there are bunches of coilers aren't there? Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: Benjamin Allan Smith To: Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2000 9:11 PM Subject: LR Sighting > > Today was a good day. I saw my 2nd Series Land Rover in Texas. It > was a brown, soft top, 3 door, Series III 109" parked in downtown Austin. > Unfortunately, I didn't get a chance to stop and look but it did make my day. > > Ben > From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Wed Sep 13 01:22:19 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8D5MJv12081 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 01:22:19 -0400 Message-Id: <200009130516.e8D5GuS16672@swamp.blacker.gdbg.org> To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: LR Sighting In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 12 Sep 2000 21:18:32 PDT." <004c01c01d39$b24b6200$38ccefd1@delllap> Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 00:16:56 -0500 From: Benjamin Allan Smith Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In message <004c01c01d39$b24b6200$38ccefd1@delllap>you wrote: > It's a sad day when you think of the fact in a city as big as Austin, in all > the months you've been there, three out of five are your own. ;-( > There used to be series around texas in the old days from what I understand. > where are they? I think they are all in hiding somewhere. There is now club. I started to pull people together and someone really wanted to do it. I have no time, so I let him. Unfortunately he's about 17 and hasn't done anything. I think I need to give him a call again. > ...but there are bunches of coilers aren't there? Loads. There is a dealership on 5th street just outside of the main downtown area. The mechanics there do like the 101 when I drive up in it. Ben From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Wed Sep 13 01:36:05 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8D5a5e12094 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 01:36:05 -0400 Message-ID: <006701c01d43$dafb71e0$38ccefd1@delllap> From: "Paul Archibald" To: References: <200009130516.e8D5GuS16672@swamp.blacker.gdbg.org> Subject: Re: LR Sighting Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 22:31:19 -0700 Organization: P. A. Design X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > > It's a sad day when you think of the fact in a city as big as Austin, in all > > the months you've been there, three out of five are your own. ;-( > > There used to be series around texas in the old days from what I understand. > > where are they? > > I think they are all in hiding somewhere. There is now club. I > started to pull people together and someone really wanted to do it. I have > no time, so I let him. Unfortunately he's about 17 and hasn't done anything. > I think I need to give him a call again. sounds like a good idea. With the youngsters, you need to proc them once in a while....(here I go sounding like an old guy or something, should start talking about bursitis or something now! ;-) ) > > ...but there are bunches of coilers aren't there? > > Loads. There is a dealership on 5th street just outside of the main > downtown area. The mechanics there do like the 101 when I drive up in it. Ben that's a given isn't it? ;-) Everyone likes the 101's ....well most people. Good to hear from you. we have not heard much from you recently.....come to thin k of it. we have not heard much from many of the old people recently. How many are still subscribed to mendo? Paul From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Wed Sep 13 02:57:25 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8D6vPE12162 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 02:57:25 -0400 Message-Id: <200009130652.e8D6q3S16797@swamp.blacker.gdbg.org> To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: LR Sighting In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 12 Sep 2000 22:31:19 PDT." <006701c01d43$dafb71e0$38ccefd1@delllap> Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 01:52:03 -0500 From: Benjamin Allan Smith Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In message <006701c01d43$dafb71e0$38ccefd1@delllap>you wrote: > sounds like a good idea. With the youngsters, you need to proc them once in > a while.... The funny thing is that I was wondering why he was so hesitant about calling a meeting in bar. And the other thing is that we exchanged some emails. Then I finally met him face to face...in Colorado at the "National" rallye this year. > > The mechanics there do like the 101 when I drive up in it. > Ben that's a given isn't it? ;-) > Everyone likes the 101's ....well most people. The strange thing is that the first 2 or 3 times I was by no one even gave it a glance. Then when I had towed Black Watch in (short in the fuel pump circuit in the head liner), I came by to check up. That time I came back out from bugging the mechanic and found the head mechanic, a few other mechanics and a LRO aquantance checking out the 101. I don't usually wander in and check out what is going on, but the BW just up and died on me. She turned over and I had spark all the way to the plugs, so I knew it was a fuel problem. I just didn't know if it was the pump or the computer. And when LR Austin wouldn't return calls or give me a status I decided to just show up and go directly to the source. Blew the kid's mind that he had a customer who actually knew something about engines and wanted details. > Good to hear from you. we have not heard much from you recently..... I've been busy. This is my 3rd week at a new job at a new startup in Austin. And I'm going to be really busy for the next 6 months. Right now I drive 101 every morning 10 km over to a friend's house. And we car pool in the 10 to 20 miles to downtown. The 101 doesn't fit in the valet parking garage so we take his pick up. (Though when I get a valet pass I'm going to bring the 101 just to look at their faces. It will fit once I take the soft top, roll bar off. I think the windscreen will clear... Then I get to give them the instructions on how to drive it... > come to > thin k of it. we have not heard much from many of the old people recently. > How many are still subscribed to mendo? Mendo hovers between 190 and 200 with 2 or 3 people adding or falling off each month. Right now it is 82 realtime and 121 digest for 203. Most of the old timers are there, they are just being quiet. Ben From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Wed Sep 13 09:34:32 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8DDYWl12537 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 09:34:32 -0400 Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 08:29:57 -0500 From: esimpson@acesag.auburn.edu (Eugene H. Simpson III) Message-Id: <200009131329.IAA03556@comer70.acesag.auburn.edu> To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: Cam stuff X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I haven't replaced cam or crank bearings on my LR, but in numerous other bottom end engine rebuilds we smeared a light film of lanolin on the back of the bearings before inserting them. Some old race car mechanics suggested it to help reduce the probability of bearing spin at high RPM. Maybe it helps, but don't know. Lanolin is easy to get at any drug store and it's cheap. It sure doesn't hurt. Gene Simpson Auburn, AL '64 SIIA 88 "Fetch" '97 Disco SE-7 "Oui Geaux" '95 Dodge Pickup From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Wed Sep 13 11:26:33 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8DFQX512717 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 11:26:33 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 08:18:56 -0700 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: john hess Subject: wing top protectors Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by minbar.fourfold.org id e8DFQXb12715 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi everyone, I saw an ad in LRW for wing top protectors for series 2a and 3 trucks. Servicetune, page 112 Sept LRW. 25 pounds Sterling for a pair. I got the following estimate for shipping for 3 pair. Shipping for 3 pair is 51.15 or 17.05 each (£70.35 by air, 23 pounds each). 25 pounds+17= 42 pounds Sterling (about $65) or shipped by air, 48 pounds ($74) I am thinking about offering to buy more and have them boat shipped (same $ As above) and then delivering them to the NCRC Ralley in Nov. If I were to do that, I would set a date (like Sept 30) by which time anyone who wanted protectors would have to send me a check for say $70. I would order the things, they would be shipped hopefully to arrive by the Nov date of the NCRC ralley. I would deliver them to the ralley or the NCRC Christmas party (I assume there is one this year). If I were to do this, how many of you would be interested? I don't care about time, so boat would be fine. If you prefer air, let me know. cheers, John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Land Rover Dormobile web pages: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby" 1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Wed Sep 13 11:28:26 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8DFSQx12724 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 11:28:26 -0400 Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 08:23:15 -0700 (MST) From: James Howard To: Mendo list Subject: Possible aurora tomorrow night, and a "bright" NEO (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Since someone (I think John Hess?) expressed a desire to see the northen lights... ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 10:08:22 -0400 From: chester.geoff@usno.navy.mil To: USNO-DC-AZ-CO@usno.navy.mil Subject: Possible aurora tomorrow night, and a "bright" NEO All: Looks like we may be in for a repeat of August's auroral display, which was bright enough to overcome the light of the nearly-full Moon. Also, LINEAR has found another NEO, which may be within reach of amateur 'scopes this weekend. Details may be found at http://www.spaceweather.com Hopefully we'll get some clear skies here and in Flagstaff... Geoff Chester USNO Public Affairs Office From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Wed Sep 13 11:41:54 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8DFfsA12764 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 11:41:54 -0400 From: "Paul Archibald" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 15:36:56 GMT Subject: Medhi, can you call me!/Frames from Wise Owl X-Mailer: DMailWeb Web to Mail Gateway 2.3b, http://netwinsite.com/top_mail.htm Message-id: <39bf9f18.12c2.0@jps.net> X-User-Info: 216.49.48.30 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Medhi please give me a call re: picking up 109 frames from wise owl...I got one too! Thanks! Paul Cell 408-313-1289 From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Wed Sep 13 12:13:45 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8DGDjD12810 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 12:13:45 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <39bf9f18.12c2.0@jps.net> References: <39bf9f18.12c2.0@jps.net> Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 09:06:11 -0700 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: john hess Subject: Re: Medhi, can you call me!/Frames from Wise Owl Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Did anyone buy the 109 frame from the Land Rover garage sale? >Medhi please give me a call re: picking up 109 frames from wise >owl...I got one >too! > >Thanks! >Paul >Cell 408-313-1289 John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Land Rover Dormobile web pages: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby" 1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Wed Sep 13 13:11:19 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8DHBJ712868 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 13:11:19 -0400 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 10:09:32 -0800 Subject: NCRC Fall Colors Trip From: Jeff Rogers To: Mendo Recce List , , Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hello All: Just a quick reminder that the NCRC Fall Colors trip is coming up the weekend after next. Here's the basic information. Please contact me directly if you have questions or would like further information. Hope to see you there... When: September 23-24 Where: Sonora Pass / Western Nevada Desert Who: Suitable for all vehicles Summary: On this expedition-style event we will experience the season from both the Nevada desert and the high Sierras. On Saturday we'll explore the area around two ghost towns in the western Nevada desert - Pine Grove and Rockland. This area has many easy-to-moderate trails suitable for all vehicles and driving levels. And there are some interesting remnants from turn-of-the-century mining operations. We'll take in the terrain, vegetation and wildlife (hopefully some wild borough). On Sunday, we'll head west over the Sonora Pass stopping to enjoy the scenery and run some trails. Sunday's route will be determined by the number of vehicles and time availbale. I will post Saturday morning's rendezvous point later this week. -->Jeff jrogers@sfo.com 408.823.4840 From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Wed Sep 13 13:24:50 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8DHOok12914 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 13:24:50 -0400 Message-ID: <16D03631929FD311BC5D009027D0CBB21759F0@vegmail.ucdavis.edu> From: "Kerner, Rob" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: NCRC Fall Colors Trip Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 10:26:14 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Jeff Do you have a drivable Land-Rover? -Rob -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Rogers [mailto:jrogers@sfo.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 11:10 AM To: Mendo Recce List; fil109sw@hotmail.com; BRUTTAN@compuserve.com Subject: NCRC Fall Colors Trip Hello All: Just a quick reminder that the NCRC Fall Colors trip is coming up the weekend after next. Here's the basic information. Please contact me directly if you have questions or would like further information. Hope to see you there... When: September 23-24 Where: Sonora Pass / Western Nevada Desert Who: Suitable for all vehicles Summary: On this expedition-style event we will experience the season from both the Nevada desert and the high Sierras. On Saturday we'll explore the area around two ghost towns in the western Nevada desert - Pine Grove and Rockland. This area has many easy-to-moderate trails suitable for all vehicles and driving levels. And there are some interesting remnants from turn-of-the-century mining operations. We'll take in the terrain, vegetation and wildlife (hopefully some wild borough). On Sunday, we'll head west over the Sonora Pass stopping to enjoy the scenery and run some trails. Sunday's route will be determined by the number of vehicles and time availbale. I will post Saturday morning's rendezvous point later this week. -->Jeff jrogers@sfo.com 408.823.4840 From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Wed Sep 13 13:27:30 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8DHRUX12937 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 13:27:30 -0400 Message-ID: <27805335C7CAD31198E8009027D5EDEE4E8BC5@Rcexs2> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: NCRC Fall Colors Trip Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 11:24:47 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hey! I'll be visiting Great Basin National Park in EASTERN Nevada that weekend. I'll wave to y'all from the top of Wheeler Peak! :^) -Dave G. From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Wed Sep 13 13:13:18 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8DHDIL12883 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 13:13:18 -0400 Message-ID: <39BFAE9D.C3546D19@shastacollege.edu> Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 09:43:09 -0700 From: Morgan Hannaford X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: roverlist Subject: 88" Safari Top Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I switched over to a soft top on my 88".... and after mounting that bastard I'm not switching back! Anyone who has been wanting a safari-type top with the sun sheet, vents and alpine windows mine is up for sale. Limestone all over, grey primer inside. Not pristine, but in decent shape. Needs new window channels. Including diamond-plate reinforced rear door with high tire mount. Check out this web site to see it....... http://www.sinasohn.com/pics/otherlr/morgan04.htm $400 (what the hoops cost me). yakima rack and rear light not included. Contact me off the list mhannaford@shastacollege.edu or (530)243-7291 I live in Redding, CA From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Wed Sep 13 13:10:29 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8DHATY12863 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 13:10:29 -0400 Message-ID: <39BFB3EA.BFCA34CD@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 10:05:46 -0700 From: Mehdi and Christine X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Medhi, can you call me!/Frames from Wise Owl References: <39bf9f18.12c2.0@jps.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I will call you, but I did not buy a frame from WO. I wanted to get a coil frame, but to do that I would have to scarifies my 88, and that is not an option at this time. So I will be making repairs to the 109's gear box and changing the seals for now. Maybe next year or Monday after I win the Lotto! Also Bill gray has a good 109 frame for next to nothing. Under $100. let me know if you want his number. Mehdi For those interested I call designa chassis and you can get a rolling chassis with Salisbury disc in the back and 110 front axles (ungalvanized, so you can weld the motor mounts where you want and any other outriggers that you may wish) for 2000 pound. Not a bad deal. You can have WO bring it for you and pay them their 10% fee and shipping. Cheaper than ECR. From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Wed Sep 13 13:12:28 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8DHCS512876 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 13:12:28 -0400 Message-ID: <39BFB463.3416B50A@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 10:07:47 -0700 From: Mehdi and Christine X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: wing top protectors References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I am in for two sets. Mehdi send me a check for say $70. From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Wed Sep 13 13:34:28 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8DHYSn12975 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 13:34:28 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mewgull@popd.ix.netcom.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 10:30:04 -0700 To: jrogers@sfo.com From: "G. Mugele" Subject: Re: NCRC Fall Colors Trip Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Geez Jeff, Are you a Stanford grad? 8-D It looks like you don't know your ass from a hole in the ground...or is that a place in New York? In any case I don't think that there's much of a chance to see a wild borough in western Nevada burro = your basic ass burrow = a hole in the ground borough = a political hole in the ground in New York city Well you presented such a great target, I had to take the shot. >Summary: On this expedition-style event we will experience the season from >both the Nevada desert and the high Sierras. On Saturday we'll explore the >area around two ghost towns in the western Nevada desert - Pine Grove and >Rockland. This area has many easy-to-moderate trails suitable for all >vehicles and driving levels. And there are some interesting remnants from >turn-of-the-century mining operations. We'll take in the terrain, vegetation >and wildlife (hopefully some wild borough). On Sunday, we'll head west over >the Sonora Pass stopping to enjoy the scenery and run some trails. Sunday's >route will be determined by the number of vehicles and time availbale. I >will post Saturday morning's rendezvous point later this week. > >-->Jeff >jrogers@sfo.com >408.823.4840 From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Wed Sep 13 18:05:11 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8DM5Bq13270 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 18:05:11 -0400 From: DSonneborn@aol.com Message-ID: <8e.a767043.26f152f1@aol.com> Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 18:00:17 EDT Subject: Salisbury axle To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 110 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Could someone enlighten me as to the differences between a Salisbury axle and the default Series axle. Dean From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Wed Sep 13 19:42:30 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8DNgUC13372 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 19:42:30 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.32.20000913162716.007e7a00@shell14.ba.best.com> X-Sender: daniel5@shell14.ba.best.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 16:27:18 -0700 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Daniel Oppenheim Subject: restoration questions Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org The bulkhead is off! Long live the Queen.. Question 1: After sand blasting, and blowing off the sand, and surface prepping (TSP?) what is the desired primer. I'm concerned because I don't have a air compressor spray area set up yet, and was thinking of just using cans of primer. Is that all right? What kind is generally considered the best? I will ultimately be painting with Centari. How many coats? Question 2: I'm considering a second tank, under the driver's seat. Where does get/ make the tank hangers/support? Have others gone this route? Question 3: The frame support under the tranny, nearest the hand brake, is all bent. Is this part purchasable for welding in, or must I attempt a repair of the existing part. Question 4: Not to start a long thread here, but the issue of what engine to put into my 88" pick-up is upon me. I really like the rebuilt engine which is currently in Jac (it's a Ser II, though) Good enough power, good gas mileage. I'm toying with the idea of taking it out and putting it in the restoration project. I'd then do a swap, and jac would receive the engine that is currently in my other Ser II. Then I'd sell Jac. Option II is keep the engines right where they are, and only do a rebuild if necc. down the road. Option III is to leave Jac's engine in Jac. Buy a rebuilt engine and drop it in whilst the frame is wide open. Which raises the original question: What engine to put in? Scotty is big on the 4 cyl marine engine (bolts in straight away), some have gone the route of the 6 cyl, and cut away/rewelded engine mounts and modified radiators/ some have gone the 8 cyl. My intended use for the PU would be a daily driver (reliability a must) and some short trips. I only really want to get up hills faster than 40 mph. Longer trips I'd use the Expedition vehicle or the RR ambulance, if I keep it. (That maybe one too many vehicles!) Anyway, your thoughts are welcome... Thanks for your input. I'm down to the frame now, and will have more questions as the reassemble unfolds. This is pretty fun. One gains an appreciation for the "engineering" of these simple machines. Yours in grease, Daniel From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Wed Sep 13 21:39:26 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8E1dQE13469 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 21:39:26 -0400 Message-Id: <200009140143.SAA00146@blackie.cruzers.com> Subject: Re: Salisbury axle Date: Wed, 13 Sep 00 18:36:55 -0700 x-sender: twakeman@mail.cruzers.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: "mendo rec list" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Could someone enlighten me as to the differences between a Salisbury axle >and >the default Series axle. >Dean > THe Salisbury axle is the default axle on Series III 109s and on 110s. There is a version of it under the 101s. If memory serves they were also under most LR high capacity pickups and some pre-series III military 109s. They were never offered on short wheel base LRs but several people have modified the spring mounts and put them under 88s. The "regular" Rover axle assemblies use small dia 10 spline axles that seem to reliably last about 40K miles and sometimes last 50K+ miles before breaking. Put them under severe off road stress and they often will not last that long. The Salisbury uses a much beefier 23 spline axle set that is MUCH stronger than the "regular Rover axles. The Salisbury takes the old style Dana 60 diff internals. All the parts inside are straight old style Dana 60 and you can use Dana 60 ring & pinion sets as well as locking/auto torque biasing/limited slip diffs available for the old style Dana 60. The Dana 60 is a well regarded heavy duty diff for heavy duty pickups and light duty commercial trucks. The bad news is that the Salisbury is heavier than the light duty regular Rover axle assembly and you loose a little bit of ground clearence. The good news is that you can get diff parts cheaper from Dana 60 sources and these things are just about impossible to break with any Land Rover powerplant and very hard to break in LRs with American small block V8s. If you have a 109 and are tired of breking axles a Salsbury diff & series III rear prop shaft is the way to go. TeriAnn http://www.overlander.net The world's most complete set of links connecting Rover 4X4 owners with Rover parts, service, accessory & sales companies world wide. From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Wed Sep 13 21:49:27 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8E1nRS13481 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 21:49:27 -0400 Message-Id: <200009140153.SAA00794@blackie.cruzers.com> Subject: Re: restoration questions Date: Wed, 13 Sep 00 18:46:56 -0700 x-sender: twakeman@mail.cruzers.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: "mendo rec list" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Question 2: I'm considering a second tank, under the driver's seat. Where >does get/ make the tank hangers/support? Have others gone this route? Both Rovers North & BP have been known to carry this outrigger. Tell them you want the auxillary fuel tank front outrigger. > Have others gone this route? I believe it has been done before and is documented somewhere on the net. > >Question 3: The frame support under the tranny, nearest the hand brake, is >all bent. Is this part purchasable for welding in, or must I attempt a >repair of the existing part. Like so many frame oparts there is a replacment transfer case crossmember that can be welded in. However the military used a removable bolt in transfer case cross member. This allowed the transmission to be removed from the underside of the LR. I would recommend one of the military style bolt on cross members. >Question 4: Not to start a long thread here, but the issue of what engine >to put into my 88" pick-up is upon me. If you are going to sell the LR soon stick with a LR engine. Otherwise read: http://www.overlander.net/Spproducts/Scotty_adaptors.html And yes I have a commericial interest in that page. TeriAnn http://www.overlander.net The world's most complete set of links connecting Rover 4X4 owners with Rover parts, service, accessory & sales companies world wide. From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Wed Sep 13 23:14:33 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8E3EXU13631 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 23:14:33 -0400 Message-ID: <39C03FE3.673CA01F@slip.net> Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 20:02:59 -0700 From: Jeremy Bartlett X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: restoration questions References: <3.0.32.20000913162716.007e7a00@shell14.ba.best.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Daniel Oppenheim wrote: > surface prepping (TSP?) what is the desired primer. Avoid cans of primer. Use profession self etching high build primer and fine sand after application. > What kind is generally considered the best? Probably any professional grade; potentially for best results use the same manufacturer (e.g., Dupont Variprime for Centari). If you're going to paint Centari you're going to need a compressor and tolerant uncomplaining neighbors. No spray booth in the area will use it (illegal VOC emmissions). > I will ultimately be painting with Centari. How many coats? Where will you be sourcing the Centari (its' getting tough). # of coats will depend - perhaps 3 or 4. Don't get it too thick; like any paint, thick cracks. Jeremy From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Thu Sep 14 00:36:34 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8E4aYD14358 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 00:36:34 -0400 Message-Id: <200009140430.VAA08109@proxy4.ba.best.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Tom Walsh" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 21:26:21 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Digital Cameras (was: Mojave something or other) X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.31) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Lemme run this by the long weekend ( holiday )trip coordinator :) She has limited vacation time and we are planning spending some of it a coupla thousand mile out in the middle of the Pacific, So I will let her tell me which long weekends work. If it can be done in a non-holiday weekend it may open more possibilities TomW > In a message dated 9/10/2000 11:46:02 PM US Mountain Standard Time, > paarch@jps.net writes: > > << Over Thanksgiving week-end? ;-) I think we can get a good small group for > this time... >> > > .....and, if you can't make that one, there's always the possibility of the > tradition, > freeze-your-butt-off-at-night-and-be-in-a-sleeping-bag-well-before-midnight butt freezing isn't a prob, but going to bed at 8pm is not my norm! > New Year's trip! :-) > > Cheers, > Gerry > > *---------*---------* tomw@best.com From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Thu Sep 14 00:31:00 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8E4V0e14275 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 00:31:00 -0400 Message-Id: <200009140424.VAA26879@proxy4.ba.best.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Tom Walsh" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 21:20:28 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: quicktime editing ( non LR sorta ) X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.31) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I have some quicktimes of my rig going up "the wall" in poughkipsee gulch in Co... unfortunately the photographer didn't know how to shut the movie mode of the camere off, so there is lots of drivel afterwards... is there a public domain tool that can edit out the frames on a windows 98 box, or do I have to buy some SW or find some Mac volenteers?? TomW *---------*---------* tomw@best.com From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Thu Sep 14 00:40:34 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8E4eYN14369 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 00:40:34 -0400 Message-Id: <200009140434.VAA10997@proxy4.ba.best.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Tom Walsh" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 21:31:00 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Medhi, can you call me!/Frames from Wise Owl X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.31) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org awright Paul!!!! Fess up! TomW > Medhi please give me a call re: picking up 109 frames from wise owl...I got one > too! > > Thanks! > Paul > Cell 408-313-1289 > > *---------*---------* tomw@best.com From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Thu Sep 14 00:29:19 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8E4TJV14229 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 00:29:19 -0400 Message-ID: <001101c01e03$497f7980$2f1ad1d1@computer> From: "Granville Pool" To: References: <200009140143.SAA00146@blackie.cruzers.com> Subject: Re: Salisbury axle Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 21:19:36 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org TeriAnn wrote: > The Salisbury uses a much beefier 23 spline axle set that is MUCH > stronger than the "regular Rover axles. I think they are 24-spline. You can convert the Rover-type diffs to 24-spline, via a kit from GB Rovers. I plan to do this on my 88 someday, when I get ready to put in an ARB Air-Locker. I'll get the 24-spline version of the ARB. The ARB is also a four-pinion carrier so it adds strength. Even if you want to stay with open diffs, you can convert to the four-pinion carriers for strength. The Quaife LS diffs have six-pinion carriers! The stock Rover diffs have two-pinion carriers. I don't know about the carriers in the Sali axles. Granny From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Thu Sep 14 00:53:33 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8E4rXM14381 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 00:53:33 -0400 Date: 14 Sep 2000 09:51:45 -0700 Message-ID: <003501c01e6c$11d2c1e0$0200a8c0@vaio> From: "Michael Slade" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org References: <3.0.32.20000913162716.007e7a00@shell14.ba.best.com> <39C03FE3.673CA01F@slip.net> Subject: Re: restoration questions Organization: DreamLab. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Jeremy asked... > Where will you be sourcing the Centari (its' getting tough). # of coats will > depend - perhaps 3 or 4. Don't get it too thick; like any paint, thick cracks. > I had a gallon of Centari mixed in Bronze Green and another gallon mixed of Alpine White locall at a paint shop here in P-land. No problems, no warnings, and they put it into spray cans too! I guess Portland isn't as stringint as they think they are? At least I *think* it's Centari. I'll check tomorrow. M From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Thu Sep 14 01:28:38 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8E5ScG14425 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 01:28:38 -0400 From: "Kelly Minnick" To: Subject: RE: Cam stuff Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 22:31:21 -0700 Message-ID: <000201c01e0d$042f7100$8205193f@minnick> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 In-Reply-To: <200009131329.IAA03556@comer70.acesag.auburn.edu> Importance: Normal Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Wow. The guy I know who builds $12K engines cleans the back of his with acetone for just that reason. Lubing the back of the bearing increases it's chance of spinning. Just my $.02 Kelly Minnick > > > I haven't replaced cam or crank bearings on my LR, but in numerous > other bottom end engine rebuilds we smeared a light film of lanolin on > the back of the bearings before inserting them. Some old race car > mechanics suggested it to help reduce the probability of bearing spin > at high RPM. Maybe it helps, but don't know. Lanolin is easy to get > at any drug store and it's cheap. It sure doesn't hurt. > > Gene Simpson > Auburn, AL > '64 SIIA 88 "Fetch" > '97 Disco SE-7 "Oui Geaux" > '95 Dodge Pickup > From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Thu Sep 14 01:13:00 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8E5D0214401 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 01:13:00 -0400 From: SFmms@aol.com Message-ID: <9.a8b1bfa.26f1b72f@aol.com> Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 01:07:59 EDT Subject: Re: Thanks for the Alaska Tips & Windscreen wiper motor lubricant To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 119 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi: Thanks to Steve, Frank, Tim, Shannon for the detailed tips on Alaska. It is going to be a lot of fun just planning the trip and I'll keep you all posted if I find out anything that might be of general interest. Steve, I would like to see your trip notes if you get a chance to dig them out. On another remotely related matter, I will have to service the two slow running windscreen wiper motors on the '66 SIIa 88 prior to the rainy season here (such as it is in LA) and the Alaska trip and have been looking for a replacement grease prior to teardown. I just finished rebuilding a garage door opener and the rebuild kit included a lubricant grease for the nylon gears called Lubriplate Aero by the Fiske Brothers Refining Co. Looked like a light enough grease to work on small motors, so I contacted the vendor about my application and they sent a data sheet. It is a lithium based lubricant manufactured with a light viscosity mineral oil. The product exceeds my specified operating temp. range of 120 F to -20 F (i.e., my guess at windscreen wiper motors exposed to summer heat & winter cold) and is corrosion and oxidation resistant too. It's recommended applications include: garage door openers, speedometers, odometers, tachometers, steering columns and gear cases, change boxes of parking meters, railway switch and signal equipment, TV antenna gear boxes, etc. Sounds like a useful product and I plan on trying out the leftovers on my jumpy speedo as a cheap fix. I'll probably purchase a larger quantity from their web site at http://www.lubriplate.com/. They also make a wide range of other automotive, etc., products, but this was the first time I encountered them. Regards, Karen Sindir '74 SIII 88 Red Rufy '66 SIIa Barbaros '95 Disco EFE From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Thu Sep 14 01:17:38 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8E5HcD14408 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 01:17:38 -0400 Message-ID: <015601c01e09$f423cde0$38ccefd1@delllap> From: "Paul Archibald" To: References: <200009140434.VAA10997@proxy4.ba.best.com> Subject: new Rover coming soon to a driveway near you! ;-) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 22:09:24 -0700 Organization: P. A. Design X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > awright Paul!!!! Fess up! > > TomW > > Medhi please give me a call re: picking up 109 frames from wise owl...I got one > > too! Well, I guess I'm finally officially a dormobile owner now! Yee haaaa!!!! ;-) It's a '63 What is left of the paint is blue may have some marine blue left inside somewhere! ;-) It appears to have all the dormie stuff still there except for the top which is a carawagon(apparently changed in Bosnia in the seventies to protect from bears!) It has the cool stove with the oval cast iron grate! ;-) The water bottles are gone.. the frame is apparently pretty rusted...(hence the iminent new frame purchase) It's still in Niagra falls and won't be coming to Fremont for a month or so...depending on a few things here financially and getting a couple things finished on The African and finding it a new home as I really can't push the Fremont Police again and having four Land-Rovers in the drive and on the street not to mention the practilcal car too(audi..ok not that practical...looking at gas prices...) really is too much for city life! Too bad I don't yet have the place in the Santa Cruz hills I want already.....and a little more money! I'll have some photos up soon for y'all to see! ;-) So...how many does that make for the Northern CA area now? ;-) I understand there may very well be another one available soon as well! ;-0 anyone else? ;-) Paul From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Thu Sep 14 01:40:29 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8E5eTo14445 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 01:40:29 -0400 From: "Kelly Minnick" To: Subject: RE: restoration questions Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 22:43:12 -0700 Message-ID: <000501c01e0e$abd96360$8205193f@minnick> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 In-Reply-To: <003501c01e6c$11d2c1e0$0200a8c0@vaio> Importance: Normal Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I doubt it has hardener in it or it would only be good for 6-8 hours... The hardener is what gives off the iso's that kill you... Kelly Minnick > > > Jeremy asked... > > > Where will you be sourcing the Centari (its' getting tough). # of coats > will > > depend - perhaps 3 or 4. Don't get it too thick; like any paint, thick > cracks. > > > > I had a gallon of Centari mixed in Bronze Green and another > gallon mixed of > Alpine White locall at a paint shop here in P-land. No problems, no > warnings, and they put it into spray cans too! I guess Portland isn't as > stringint as they think they are? > > At least I *think* it's Centari. > > I'll check tomorrow. > > M > > > > From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Thu Sep 14 01:55:53 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8E5trF14467 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 01:55:53 -0400 Message-ID: <385069223.968910666533.JavaMail.root@web622-wrb.mail.com> Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 01:51:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Mehdi Saghafi To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: quicktime editing ( non LR sorta ) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: mail.com X-Originating-IP: 141.151.150.249 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org download the trial version of Adobe Premier and use it before it expires. Mehdi ------Original Message------ From: "Tom Walsh" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Sent: September 14, 2000 5:20:28 AM GMT Subject: quicktime editing ( non LR sorta ) I have some quicktimes of my rig going up "the wall" in poughkipsee gulch in Co... unfortunately the photographer didn't know how to shut the movie mode of the camere off, so there is lots of drivel afterwards... is there a public domain tool that can edit out the frames on a windows 98 box, or do I have to buy some SW or find some Mac volenteers?? TomW *---------*---------* tomw@best.com From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Thu Sep 14 02:15:27 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8E6FRS14504 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 02:15:27 -0400 Message-ID: <018401c01e12$6c624cc0$38ccefd1@delllap> From: "Paul Archibald" To: References: <9.a8b1bfa.26f1b72f@aol.com> Subject: Lubriplate is wonderfull stuff! ;-) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 23:10:02 -0700 Organization: P. A. Design X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Karen, I ahve been using Lubriplate for years. Woonderfull stuff. in many diferent formulations too! I use it for all sorts of things actually..great for packing bearings where you might have worries...It also works good as assembly lube! I also have it in gallon cans as a liquid lubricant & cutting oil. There are a few different formulations...did I say that already? Probably can read about them all ontheir web site. They ahve food grade versions too if I recall for sausage stuffing machines etc...Yeah! I'm planning on making some home-made smoked sausages soon! ;-) Their 80w gear oil os great too, but not for a rover tht gets it's oil changed after every water crossing and in between that too unless you're made of cash. use it in the sports car! enough rambling....Good Stuff! if you look around at local supply houses you may find a better price than trying to get it from the maker though! Paul > On another remotely related matter, I will have to service the two slow > running windscreen wiper motors on the '66 SIIa 88 prior to the rainy season > here (such as it is in LA) and the Alaska trip and have been looking for a > replacement grease prior to teardown. I just finished rebuilding a garage > door opener and the rebuild kit included a lubricant grease for the nylon > gears called Lubriplate Aero by the Fiske Brothers Refining Co. Looked like a > light enough grease to work on small motors, so I contacted the vendor about > my application and they sent a data sheet. It is a lithium based lubricant > manufactured with a light viscosity mineral oil. The product exceeds my > specified operating temp. range of 120 F to -20 F (i.e., my guess at > windscreen wiper motors exposed to summer heat & winter cold) and is > corrosion and oxidation resistant too. It's recommended applications include: > garage door openers, speedometers, odometers, tachometers, steering columns > and gear cases, change boxes of parking meters, railway switch and signal > equipment, TV antenna gear boxes, etc. Sounds like a useful product and I > plan on trying out the leftovers on my jumpy speedo as a cheap fix. I'll > probably purchase a larger quantity from their web site at > http://www.lubriplate.com/. They also make a wide range of other automotive, > etc., products, but this was the first time I encountered them. > > Regards, > > Karen Sindir > '74 SIII 88 Red Rufy > '66 SIIa Barbaros > '95 Disco EFE > From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Thu Sep 14 03:32:31 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8E7WVU14561 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 03:32:31 -0400 Message-Id: <200009140725.AAA23335@proxy4.ba.best.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Tom Walsh" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 00:21:57 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Salisbury axle X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.31) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Granny, The uprated 24 spline axles for series make the shafts spline count compatible with newer coiler axles, not Salisburies which are 23 spline and larger in diameter than stock coiler axle shafts TomW > TeriAnn wrote: > > > The Salisbury uses a much beefier 23 spline axle set that is MUCH > > stronger than the "regular Rover axles. > > I think they are 24-spline. You can convert the Rover-type diffs to > 24-spline, via a kit from GB Rovers. I plan to do this on my 88 someday, > when I get ready to put in an ARB Air-Locker. I'll get the 24-spline > version of the ARB. The ARB is also a four-pinion carrier so it adds > strength. Even if you want to stay with open diffs, you can convert to the > four-pinion carriers for strength. The Quaife LS diffs have six-pinion > carriers! The stock Rover diffs have two-pinion carriers. I don't know > about the carriers in the Sali axles. > > > Granny > > > *---------*---------* tomw@best.com From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Thu Sep 14 04:40:17 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8E8eH614670 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 04:40:17 -0400 Date: 14 Sep 2000 13:38:30 -0700 Message-ID: <000d01c01e8b$bf216c60$0200a8c0@vaio> From: "Michael Slade" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org References: <000501c01e0e$abd96360$8205193f@minnick> Subject: Re: restoration questions Organization: DreamLab. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Kelly writes... > I doubt it has hardener in it or it would only be good for 6-8 hours... The > hardener is what gives off the iso's that kill you... Aaah, yes. That would explain why I'm still alive then. ;) I'll keep away from hardener. Thanks! M From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Thu Sep 14 10:34:24 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8EEYOG14944 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 10:34:24 -0400 Message-ID: <27805335C7CAD31198E8009027D5EDEE4E8BDD@Rcexs2> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: restoration questions Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 08:31:43 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "....Question 2: I'm considering a second tank, under the driver's seat. Where does get/ make the tank hangers/support?....." I'd say try the brit joints too. http://www.mansfield-motors.com/index.htm http://lr.merseyworld.com/ I bought a pair of bulkhead stems from BP for $250, and discovered a week later they were $40 each from LRS. :^( I'm sure I could have done better than BP's price, even with shipping. No knock on Steve, this was just "one of those things" that turned out cheaper 'cross the pond. -Dave G. From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Thu Sep 14 11:06:33 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8EF6X714992 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 11:06:33 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000d01c01e8b$bf216c60$0200a8c0@vaio> References: <000501c01e0e$abd96360$8205193f@minnick> <000d01c01e8b$bf216c60$0200a8c0@vaio> Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 07:59:04 -0700 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: john hess Subject: Re: restoration questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org And the if you read the fine print, most respirator masks say not for paints or things that give off isocyanates. Some don't mention them and some brands sell cartridges that are matched to the bad things you want removed. check around. >Kelly writes... > > > I doubt it has hardener in it or it would only be good for 6-8 hours... >The > > hardener is what gives off the iso's that kill you... > >Aaah, yes. That would explain why I'm still alive then. ;) > >I'll keep away from hardener. > >Thanks! > >M John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Land Rover Dormobile web pages: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby" 1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Thu Sep 14 12:04:04 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8EG44q15033 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 12:04:04 -0400 Message-Id: <200009141608.JAA12745@blackie.cruzers.com> Subject: US West coast - ABFM feedback for Palo Alto & LA Date: Thu, 14 Sep 00 09:01:29 -0700 x-sender: twakeman@mail.cruzers.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: " TR list" , "British cars list" , "mendo rec list" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I have been e-mailing Richard Feibusch who puts on the Palo Alto and an LA All British Field meet. The subject is the yearly "souvenir" that comes with your meet entry. I was telling him I liked the cups a lot but could he move the logo to the side so a cup could be displayed hanging. His reply indicated that he wanted to do cups but people seemed to prefer meet dash plaques instead & all feedback is welcome. SO I thought I would send this out to illicit additional feedback. Would you prefer to receive a cup or a dash plaque Feedback should be sent directly to Richard Feibusch, rfeibusch@loop.com Please do not send it to the mail list or directly to me. Let him know which you prefer. The e-mail below has had non subject content removed for brevity. > Dear TeriAnn, > > Thanks for the good word - I share your opinion about the logo placement (I > draw and color separate these myself) > We probably will not do mugs again for a while unless I get a > bunch of positive inquiries but do I like the "collect 'em all" > aspect of this. > > The most requested item at this point seems to be dash plaques > Next mug will probably feature a Land Rover or a Triumph. TeriAnn http://www.overlander.net The world's most complete set of links connecting Rover 4X4 owners with Rover parts, service, accessory & sales companies world wide. From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Thu Sep 14 12:55:04 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8EGt4j15064 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 12:55:04 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000914094247.00973820@mail.saber.net> X-Sender: bobnsueb@mail.saber.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 09:42:47 -0700 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Bob & Sue Bernard Subject: Re: restoration questions In-Reply-To: References: <000d01c01e8b$bf216c60$0200a8c0@vaio> <000501c01e0e$abd96360$8205193f@minnick> <000d01c01e8b$bf216c60$0200a8c0@vaio> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org At 07:59 AM 9/14/2000 -0700, you wrote: >And the if you read the fine print, most respirator masks say not for >paints or things that give off isocyanates. Some don't mention them >and some brands sell cartridges that are matched to the bad things >you want removed. check around. Hi, Generally they reccommend to use a respirator with an air supply to keep out the bad stuff. BTW Chico Auto Paint and Arnes in Marysville still have Centari, but less people are buying it these days. Most have switched to Delstar. They say that PPG Delstar is the same type paint (acrylic enamel and same type hardener) and it sprays smoother when using an HVLP gun. But it dries a bit slower so be careful of getting too much on at once and having it run/sag. I will most likely switch to the PPG(Ditzler) Delstar for my next paintjob. I do use the hardener for the durability and then no concern about gas etc. messing it up. Another reason to use the hardener is because if you have a bad area, you can sand/repaint quite soon. But with no hardener, you must wait a month or more before messing with it. The hardener kinda makes it like lacquer, easier to repair. I also have been hearing some about PPG Omni.(Cheaper and easier to use?) But I couldn't get a good match with Bronze green in Omni. Another BTW is the safest thing to do is buy the smallest amount you can in order to test the color when dried on something. I discovered that some of the brands other than Dupont are not even close to the original. > > >>Kelly writes... >> >> > I doubt it has hardener in it or it would only be good for 6-8 hours... >>The >> > hardener is what gives off the iso's that kill you... >> >>Aaah, yes. That would explain why I'm still alive then. ;) >> >>I'll keep away from hardener. >> >>Thanks! >> >>M > > > >John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us >Land Rover Dormobile web pages: >http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html >1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby" >1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" > From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Thu Sep 14 12:55:06 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8EGt6b15069 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 12:55:06 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000914094812.0079b100@mail.saber.net> X-Sender: bobnsueb@mail.saber.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 09:48:12 -0700 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Bob & Sue Bernard Subject: Re: Lubriplate is wonderfull stuff! ;-) In-Reply-To: <018401c01e12$6c624cc0$38ccefd1@delllap> References: <9.a8b1bfa.26f1b72f@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org At 11:10 PM 9/13/2000 -0700, you wrote: >Karen, >I ahve been using Lubriplate for years. Woonderfull stuff. in many diferent >formulations too! I use it for all sorts of things actually..great for >packing bearings where you might have worries...It also works good as >assembly lube! I also have it in gallon cans as a liquid lubricant & cutting >oil. There are a few different formulations. Hi, I have a can of Lubriplate left over from working on the older IBM equipment. Mostly it was for areas in the large printers. I have no idea what Lubriplate# (it was IBM# 70), it is but it is thick sticky white and it stays where you put it. I use it on the brake backing plates where the shoes contact and rub back and forth. It stops the squeak you hear when applying the brakes sitting still and doesn't get on the linings. Not for the squeal while driving however. Bob B From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Thu Sep 14 13:10:28 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8EHASX15096 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 13:10:28 -0400 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 10:05:14 -0700 (MST) From: James Howard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: quicktime editing ( non LR sorta ) In-Reply-To: <200009140424.VAA26879@proxy4.ba.best.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I can't help you, but I would love to seem the movie. Our SIII had a lot of trouble getting up "the wall" there. It was vapourlocking after running the engine for 10 minutes, and the lack of articulations didn't help. John Benham finally towed us up with his Range Rover. On Wed, 13 Sep 2000, Tom Walsh wrote: > I have some quicktimes of my rig going up "the wall" in poughkipsee > gulch in Co... unfortunately the photographer didn't know how to shut > the movie mode of the camere off, so there is lots of drivel > afterwards... is there a public domain tool that can edit out the > frames on a windows 98 box, or do I have to buy some SW or find some > Mac volenteers?? > > TomW > *---------*---------* > tomw@best.com > From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Thu Sep 14 15:03:30 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8EJ3UX15209 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 15:03:30 -0400 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 12:01:47 -0800 Subject: RE: NCRC Fall Colors Trip From: Jeff Rogers To: Mendo Recce List Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org nope. scott will be chauffeuring me around in his tahoe (posh isn't ready for the trail yet). -->jeff > > Jeff Do you have a drivable Land-Rover? > > - -Rob From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Thu Sep 14 15:40:38 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8EJecn15253 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 15:40:38 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Michaels, Tim" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: quicktime editing ( non LR sorta ) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 12:35:42 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I don't think the trial version lets you save anything, but the most recent trial version may be different. It will tell you on the info page. > -----Original Message----- > From: Mehdi Saghafi [mailto:msandcdg@earthlink.net] > Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 10:51 PM > To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > Subject: RE: quicktime editing ( non LR sorta ) > > > download the trial version of Adobe Premier and use it before > it expires. > Mehdi > > ------Original Message------ > From: "Tom Walsh" > To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > Sent: September 14, 2000 5:20:28 AM GMT > Subject: quicktime editing ( non LR sorta ) > > > I have some quicktimes of my rig going up "the wall" in poughkipsee > gulch in Co... unfortunately the photographer didn't know how to shut > the movie mode of the camere off, so there is lots of drivel > afterwards... is there a public domain tool that can edit out the > frames on a windows 98 box, or do I have to buy some SW or find some > Mac volenteers?? > > TomW > *---------*---------* > tomw@best.com > > > From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Thu Sep 14 15:31:21 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8EJVLS15239 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 15:31:21 -0400 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 12:29:37 -0800 Subject: restoration guide? From: Jeff Rogers To: Mendo Recce List Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org a while back someone posted the titles of two books on series vehicle restoration. i can't find the mail in my archive and i'm wondering if someone would post the info again. thanks in advance. also... gerry, please let me know if i have misspelled or misused any words in this email - thanks. -->jeff From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Thu Sep 14 16:06:03 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8EK63n15313 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 16:06:03 -0400 Message-ID: <27805335C7CAD31198E8009027D5EDEE4E8BE9@Rcexs2> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo'" Subject: Traveling America's Loneliest Road Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 14:02:44 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Here's the info on that US-50 guide I picked up in Lone Pine last week: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1888035056/o/qid=968961370/sr=8-1/ref =aps_sr_b_1_3/103-0186682-1839863 Or, if your browser can't get it's arms around the link, just go to Amazon and search for "Traveling America's Loneliest Road". For some reason, when I typed "america's loneliest road" the other day, it didn't come up.... Anyway....a highly recommended bit of reading (and driving!). -Dave G. From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Thu Sep 14 16:10:34 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8EKAYg15325 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 16:10:34 -0400 Message-ID: <27805335C7CAD31198E8009027D5EDEE4E8BEA@Rcexs2> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Traveling America's Loneliest Road Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 14:07:55 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org PS - it pleases me no end to see the book's Amazon sales rank is number 764,990. Looks like I can look forward to many more enjoyable solitary hours on this national treasure of a ribbon of asphalt. :^) -Dave G. From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Thu Sep 14 16:23:00 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8EKN0v15343 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 16:23:00 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mewgull@popd.ix.netcom.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 13:16:34 -0700 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: "G. Mugele" Subject: Mocking Jeff (was: restoration guide?) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > > >also... gerry, please let me know if i have misspelled or misused any words >in this email - thanks. Jeff, Thanks for your interest in Grammer Checquer. We're sorry to inform you that your previous email invoked only the TRIAL version of our wonderful MewGull Email Grammer Checquer v1.0. Since you have now seen the benefit of this application you will certainly want to have it available on an ongoing basis. You may purchase the single user version directly from our retail sales; current pricing for this product is a D90 front and rear bumper swap. If you wish to use this product in a multi station production environment please check our website for licensing options and fees. Thanks for your interest. Merry Gugele, Technical Sales and Customer Harassment From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Thu Sep 14 18:05:15 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8EM5Fa15433 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 18:05:15 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.32.20000914145006.007fc830@shell14.ba.best.com> X-Sender: daniel5@shell14.ba.best.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 14:50:52 -0700 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Daniel Oppenheim Subject: Jac wants a new home- 1972 Ser III 88" PU for sale Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Reluctantly, I am parting with my RHD 1972 Ser III 88" pick-up. Named Jacaranda, but you can call him Jac. Reason: Too many cars. I think 5 is a little nuts for me, in SF. I've got a 88" project (two cars meld into one) about which I've been bugging you all. Thanks so much for your advice. I also have an Expedition rig and a Range Rover ambulance on their way back from the Dark Continent. I need room for the rest of the stable. I'd like to see Jac's new home in northern California, so I'm offering him to the mendo list first. The engine is as strong as a 2.25 ever gets, having just been rebuilt by British Car Company in Corte Madera. The color is lavender (factory color on the mini-millennium edition) you can see a full description at: http://www.mgmtconsult.com/jacaranda.htm The ad is asking $11,600. I will offer him to readers of this list for $8,600 for a few days. Then I will place it with ebay and see how it goes. Inspections and test drives are easily arranged. E-mail or call me at 415-585-0510. Cheers, Daniel From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Thu Sep 14 18:16:06 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8EMG6B15456 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 18:16:06 -0400 Message-ID: <20000914221109.24240.qmail@web206.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 15:11:09 -0700 (PDT) From: joe mulqueen Subject: salisbury design To: mendo MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Also, isn't the salisbury a "true" hypoid design and the standard rover dif not? JFM '67 SIIA 109 SW __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Thu Sep 14 18:29:59 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8EMTxX15470 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 18:29:59 -0400 Message-ID: <27805335C7CAD31198E8009027D5EDEE4E8BF6@Rcexs2> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: salisbury design Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 16:27:20 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "....isn't the salisbury a "true" hypoid design and > the standard rover dif not?...." > I don't have a Salsbury, but if the pinion is on the centerline of the axle tubes, like a Rover diff, the gear relationship is called "spiral bevel". Spiral bevel gears with the pinion offset above or below the axle centerline are called "hypoid". The Sal. has the pinion below the axle CL, right? I think it's a hypoid, where the std rover diff (and the ENV I have) is a spiral bevel ring and pinion set. Nobody but a real nerd like me could find the force analyses of why the hypoid relationship is stronger interesting, but it is. The only "drawback" to the hypoid relationship is the sliding friction that takes place between the R&P teeth. This is why "hypoid gear oil" got some more additives (I think Sulfur?), and why hypoid R&P sets should be "broken in" (see http://www.ring-pinion.com/Tech%20Library/NewGear.html ) where spiral bevel gears don't need to be. -Dave G. From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Thu Sep 14 19:22:00 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8ENM0p15533 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 19:22:00 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Warner, Nick" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: unsubscribe Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 16:19:43 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org having trouble unsubscribing, been e-mailing all week to majordomo... and owner-mendo... etc, getting no response and or returned mail. please unhook nwarner@sjmercury.com if anyone's watching. thanks. Won't be near this pc for a while. Nick Warner 67 IIA-88 From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Thu Sep 14 19:31:14 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8ENVEQ15573 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 19:31:14 -0400 Message-Id: <200009142325.e8ENPrS19918@swamp.blacker.gdbg.org> To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org cc: "Warner, Nick" Subject: Re: unsubscribe In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 14 Sep 2000 16:19:43 PDT." Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 18:25:53 -0500 From: Benjamin Allan Smith Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In message yo u wrote: > having trouble unsubscribing, been e-mailing all week to majordomo... and > owner-mendo... etc, getting no response and or returned mail. please > unhook nwarner@sjmercury.com if anyone's watching. thanks. Won't be near > this pc for a while. Strange, I haven't seen any bounces. And other people have been subscribing and unsubscribing via the major. I've removed you from the lists (you were on both the digest and the real time list). Ben From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Thu Sep 14 19:53:46 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8ENrk215604 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 19:53:46 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mewgull@popd.ix.netcom.com Message-Id: Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 16:48:51 -0700 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: "G. Mugele" Subject: Calif Laser kill switch legislation!!! Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Uh-oh... they're at it again! http://info.sen.ca.gov/pub/bill/sen/sb_2001-2050/sb_2004_bill_20000504 _amended_sen.html The above site contains the CA legislation that will require that all vehicles registered in 2005 have a laser operated PITMS (Pursuit Intervention Termination Management System), a remote kill switch installed. What they have in their tiny little minds, of course, is to provide law-enforcement with a means to eliminate high-speed chase situations. The motive is fine with me, the method is absurd. I'll bet the patent holder is the primary proponent of this silliness. After reading the proposed legislation I thought to myself; what's going to keep me from obscuring the receiver window with some hi-tech device like say masking tape. They plan to have multiple receivers in a variety of locations around the vehicle so that it can be activated from any angle. Still, seems like the masking tape over-ride (or something similar) will be a common after-market installation. Another thought: Suppose I whip up some little laser based toy in my shop. What will prevent me from entertaining myself with my toy in a somewhat hard to see locale adjacent to some very busy freeway. I think I80 at Donner summit on President's weekend would be a fun choice. Maybe the SF Bay Bridge at 7:30AM Monday. Or heck, I could go down to Hollister Hills and have some fun on truck hill. Oh yeah, this is great legislation. Seems that we need to become active in the legislative process once again before they again do something really stupid. Not only will it annoy us but we'll get to pay for it too. From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Thu Sep 14 20:12:12 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8F0CCi15628 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 20:12:12 -0400 Message-Id: <200009150006.e8F06nS20001@swamp.blacker.gdbg.org> To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Calif Laser kill switch legislation!!! In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 14 Sep 2000 16:48:51 PDT." Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 19:06:49 -0500 From: Benjamin Allan Smith Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In message you wrote: > The above site contains the CA legislation that will require that all > vehicles registered in 2005 have a laser operated PITMS (Pursuit > Intervention Termination Management System), a remote kill switch > installed. And people ask why I left California... Voting with my feet. Like Gerry, I can think of lots of evil things that a criminal could do with these things. Especially if they mounted them in their car and clogged the freeway behind them in en effort to block the cops. Ben From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Thu Sep 14 22:40:59 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8F2exY15770 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 22:40:59 -0400 Message-ID: <001901c01ebd$54879dc0$511ad1d1@computer> From: "Granville Pool" To: References: <200009141608.JAA12745@blackie.cruzers.com> Subject: RR woes: Water pump gasket failure (twice!) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 19:33:22 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Jeremy or anyone who can help! Ziggy, my '92 Range Rover, had a leaking water pump. It appeared at first to be leaking at the gasket at the back of the water pump. It got bad quickly. I took it to my mechanic and he showed me how the water pump wobbled and needed to be replace. He explained that when the seal goes, a water pump leaks out the little weep hole. Made sense. I felt very lucky when BP had a special on a new water pump the day I needed it. Well, I certainly did (and do) need some good luck! I had the water pump replaced. As a precaution, I also had a new viscous fan clutch and all new hoses, including heater hoses, etc. Next day, it's leaking like a sieve again. I take it back to the mechanic. He finds that the new gasket has failed. Not a happy camper he nonetheless carefully makes another new gasket and very carefully installs it, again torquing to spec, etc. Tests it extensively, as before. Doesn't leak. I phone before leaving work. All fixed. I go by the shop and find it back inside. Leaking like a sieve again, in the very same place. Dave (the mechanic) says that he'd carefully checked the mating surface with the engine's front cover and found some irregularity, though not more than he'd expect a sealed gasket to make up. No such luck. Now he's saying that it has to be the front cover and that it'll have to be replaced. With a new one. Erk! The repeated gasket failure is at the area with the through bolts. Has anyone had such an experience? Any thoughts? Help will be much appreciated! Thanks in advance, Granny From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Thu Sep 14 23:44:43 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8F3ihR15808 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 23:44:43 -0400 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 20:39:36 -0700 (MST) From: James Howard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: RR woes: Water pump gasket failure (twice!) In-Reply-To: <001901c01ebd$54879dc0$511ad1d1@computer> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Gran, as I just spent 1/2 an hour cleaning the grime off my front cover in the parts washer, I can tell you it seems like it would be easy to crack it in the water pump area. How much is a new one from BP? They are 125 pounds at RPi (http://www.rpiv8.com/offers.htm), provided you are willing to wait a week for it to get here. On Thu, 14 Sep 2000, Granville Pool wrote: > Jeremy or anyone who can help! > > Ziggy, my '92 Range Rover, had a leaking water pump. It appeared at first > to be leaking at the gasket at the back of the water pump. It got bad > quickly. I took it to my mechanic and he showed me how the water pump > wobbled and needed to be replace. He explained that when the seal goes, a > water pump leaks out the little weep hole. Made sense. > > I felt very lucky when BP had a special on a new water pump the day I needed > it. Well, I certainly did (and do) need some good luck! I had the water > pump replaced. As a precaution, I also had a new viscous fan clutch and all > new hoses, including heater hoses, etc. > > Next day, it's leaking like a sieve again. I take it back to the mechanic. > He finds that the new gasket has failed. Not a happy camper he nonetheless > carefully makes another new gasket and very carefully installs it, again > torquing to spec, etc. Tests it extensively, as before. Doesn't leak. I > phone before leaving work. All fixed. I go by the shop and find it back > inside. Leaking like a sieve again, in the very same place. > > Dave (the mechanic) says that he'd carefully checked the mating surface with > the engine's front cover and found some irregularity, though not more than > he'd expect a sealed gasket to make up. No such luck. Now he's saying that > it has to be the front cover and that it'll have to be replaced. With a new > one. Erk! The repeated gasket failure is at the area with the through > bolts. > > Has anyone had such an experience? Any thoughts? Help will be much > appreciated! > > Thanks in advance, > > > Granny > From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Thu Sep 14 23:50:44 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8F3oia15831 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 23:50:44 -0400 From: "Clayton Kirkwood" To: Subject: RE: Traveling America's Loneliest Road Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 20:31:35 -0700 Message-ID: <000201c01ec6$b27f02c0$66d4d4cf@cwnet.com> X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <27805335C7CAD31198E8009027D5EDEE4E8BEA@Rcexs2> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org That is a great way to look at it, he, he, he... I suppose along with that is to tell everybody you talk to about various roads as they come up, that 50 is a boring, good for nothing, worthless road. Keep 'em all off the road. Clayton -----Original Message----- From: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org [mailto:owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org]On Behalf Of Gomes, David Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2000 1:08 PM To: 'mendo_recce@fourfold.org' Subject: RE: Traveling America's Loneliest Road PS - it pleases me no end to see the book's Amazon sales rank is number 764,990. Looks like I can look forward to many more enjoyable solitary hours on this national treasure of a ribbon of asphalt. :^) -Dave G. From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Fri Sep 15 00:04:57 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8F44vp15900 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 15 Sep 2000 00:04:57 -0400 Message-ID: <000701c01ec9$0e9cf100$ed02d1d1@computer> From: "Granville Pool" To: References: Subject: Re: RR woes: Water pump gasket failure (twice!) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 20:57:19 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org James, > How much is a new one from BP? They are 125 pounds at RPi > (http://www.rpiv8.com/offers.htm), provided you are willing to wait a week > for it to get here. I haven't priced one at BP or elsewhere yet. I am waiting for the tear-down and make sure I really need one, first! Thanks for the tip. Granny From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Fri Sep 15 00:03:04 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8F434615893 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 15 Sep 2000 00:03:04 -0400 Message-ID: <006701c01eca$61b73e80$774c1f18@hawaii.rr.com> From: "Peter Hope" To: References: Subject: Re: quicktime editing ( non LR sorta ) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 18:06:53 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi, I have the newest version of premier if I can offer my services. Pete From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Fri Sep 15 00:52:25 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8F4qPk16472 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 15 Sep 2000 00:52:25 -0400 From: Gbrovers@aol.com Message-ID: <26.abb7593.26f303e3@aol.com> Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 00:47:31 EDT Subject: Re: dream PU To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac - Post-GM sub 147 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org John I also like the Rover 6's. The have a bad reputation, which I personally think is undeserved. The are a different animal from the 4's and you have to treat them differently but with the proper respect and knowledge they are a very good engine. Maybe you just have to have yellow and green in your veins! Bill GBR From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Fri Sep 15 01:16:08 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8F5G8c16494 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 15 Sep 2000 01:16:08 -0400 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200009141446.e8EEki414961@minbar.fourfold.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 22:13:15 -0800 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: aaron Subject: aux fuel tank outrigger Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org This is the best price around. Outrigger, Fuel tank CP12L/R $16.34 And yes they have the right side outrigger. http://www.thatchedroofgarage.com/Parts.htm the Thatched Roof Garage, ltd. 112 Shelby Street Kingsport, TN 37660 USA Phone 423-578-6887 Fax 423-578-6893 From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Fri Sep 15 01:41:51 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8F5fpq16548 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 15 Sep 2000 01:41:51 -0400 From: "Kelly Minnick" To: Subject: RE: restoration questions Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 22:44:42 -0700 Message-ID: <000301c01ed8$0b866460$3605193f@minnick> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Yes, my DeVilbis (sp?) mask is Suppose to filter all that junk out. If you can smell the stuff, it's not working! (Even if you can't, it might not be working - scary). There is a big debate on the internet as to whether the masks do ANYTHING even with the activated charcoal. The best system is a fresh air system, but they run about $700. For the average person, that's too much... I'm working with another ME on making one for about $100. As for primers, I use polyester primers which are also a two part deal. But they really stick and flex well with the base material. They will fill most scratches well, too. You can't get this from a can. I recommend if you are going to all that work, use a urethane paint! MUCH more durable, more glossy, flex better, and more resistant to chipping. Can you tell I like urethanes? I use PPG stuff, so don't know about DuPont (I use the Omni MBC paint if I plan a clear coat MC 168, MTK if not). I've sprayed some really crazy stuff for people like the the clear coat pearls/tints and some 3-part paints (base, color, clear/tint). Usually the crazy stuff is for bikes. I think if I do the Mog thing, if will be some Wild paint scheme. OK, so I'm a little crazy. Those who know me, know that's the norm for me... Probably the hardest thing to paint so far has been the series firewall (I shot the whole vehicle in pieces). There are sooo many nooks and crannies that it's hard to get good coverage without drips. Sorry Mehdi. Bring her back and we will color sand them out! Anyhow, most people only shoot 2-3 coats of actual paint and 1-2 coats of clear. Even without clear, I never shoot more than 3 heavy coats. JMHO. Later, Kelly Minnick > > > And the if you read the fine print, most respirator masks say not for > paints or things that give off isocyanates. Some don't mention them > and some brands sell cartridges that are matched to the bad things > you want removed. check around. > > > > >Kelly writes... > > > > > I doubt it has hardener in it or it would only be good for > 6-8 hours... > >The > > > hardener is what gives off the iso's that kill you... > > > >Aaah, yes. That would explain why I'm still alive then. ;) > > > >I'll keep away from hardener. > > > >Thanks! > > > >M > > > > John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us > Land Rover Dormobile web pages: > http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html > 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby" > 1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" > From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Fri Sep 15 01:45:51 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8F5jp416558 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 15 Sep 2000 01:45:51 -0400 From: "Kelly Minnick" To: Subject: RE: Calif Laser kill switch legislation!!! Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 22:48:41 -0700 Message-ID: <000401c01ed8$9a229220$3605193f@minnick> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Have you read OBD-III??? Kelly Minnick > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org > [mailto:owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org]On Behalf Of G. Mugele > Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2000 4:49 PM > To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > Subject: Calif Laser kill switch legislation!!! > > > Uh-oh... they're at it again! > > http://info.sen.ca.gov/pub/bill/sen/sb_2001-2050/sb_2004_bill_20000504 > _amended_sen.html > > > From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Fri Sep 15 02:25:36 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8F6PaS16587 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 15 Sep 2000 02:25:36 -0400 From: "Kelly Minnick" To: Subject: RE: RR woes: Water pump gasket failure (twice!) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 23:28:28 -0700 Message-ID: <000501c01ede$28cd73a0$3605193f@minnick> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 In-Reply-To: <001901c01ebd$54879dc0$511ad1d1@computer> Importance: Normal Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I've replaced 2 in RR's (different RR's) and used the Blue Ultra (there - I said it) on the gasket. At least in the current vehicle, it's never leaked. I guess you can check the mating surface with a steel rule for flatness (like you do for an oil pump). The cover is aluminum, so gouging, etc. could occur if one is not careful. I would imagine you could lap the surface on a flat piece of glass or a lapping plate (which most of us don't have). Check it careful, but since it's Al, it really shouldn't be Cracked. Later, Kelly Minnick > > > Jeremy or anyone who can help! > > Ziggy, my '92 Range Rover, had a leaking water pump. It appeared at first > to be leaking at the gasket at the back of the water pump. It got bad > quickly. I took it to my mechanic and he showed me how the water pump > wobbled and needed to be replace. He explained that when the seal goes, a > water pump leaks out the little weep hole. Made sense. > > > Thanks in advance, > > > Granny > From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Fri Sep 15 02:49:27 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8F6nRt16615 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 15 Sep 2000 02:49:27 -0400 From: SFmms@aol.com Message-ID: <74.3050c1b.26f31f51@aol.com> Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 02:44:33 EDT Subject: Re: LubriPlate Products To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 119 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Paul writes: << Good Stuff! if you look around at local supply houses you may find a better price than trying to get it from the maker though! >> Good to find someone who knew about the Lubriplate product line. Thanks Paul, I'll look around for better pricing. I usually try to go to the manufacturer now if possible because most of the places here (NAPA excepted) only carry very standard items and can't figure out how to order others. McMaster-Carr, and the Thomas Catalogue folks all take their cut too. Karen Sindir From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Fri Sep 15 09:58:40 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8FDweq17165 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 15 Sep 2000 09:58:40 -0400 Message-ID: From: Matt Wilson To: "'Mendo (E-mail)'" Subject: 1st the Regulator now an Axle? Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 06:55:32 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Well, Thanks for the info on the regulator for "Rusty" (73, 88" SW). I traced all the wires from the alternator through the dash. All the connections look good, and I now have working instrument lights. I got a new regulator last night from a friend that imports Lotus parts. It cost $12 bucks which is half of what RN sells them for. I will install it this weekend and hope that's it for charging woes for a while. Now I am driving to work this morning thinking about what's next for Rusty. New Parabolic springs? And do I get the Rocky Mountain or the new ones the BP is selling? And what about shocks Old man emu or Rancho's? Maybe I should talk to my friend John about putting a Chevy four in this truck? After all he's been driving the same Jeep for twenty five years with one. Or maybe I should just rebuild the Rover one? Man it takes a long time to get to work maybe an overdrive? Or a Radio at least..... Well Rusty has decided for me what's next. About two blocks from work while turning the corner I heard a small clunk, and we were not going forward any more. Yeah! I am in the club. So I put it in four wheel drive and got to work. Now the questions. 1, How do I figure out what side is broken? 2, Do I have to remove the broken pieces before I drive it any more? (I live about six miles from here) 3, What about dropping the drive shaft and driving it home? 4, I am assuming I should replace both sides. Is there a stronger after market axle that's recommended? ( I am not too interested in cutting and welding shock mounts for a Salisbury) Thanks for any comments or advice. I must really be sick! I am pretty stoked to have this happen now. I new I would break one of these axles I just didn't want it to happen in the back country. Regards, Matt Wilson From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Fri Sep 15 10:27:27 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8FERRP17234 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 15 Sep 2000 10:27:27 -0400 Message-ID: <27805335C7CAD31198E8009027D5EDEE4E8BFC@Rcexs2> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Traveling America's Loneliest Road Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 08:24:50 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org ".... I suppose along with that is to tell everybody you talk to about various roads as they come up, that 50 is a boring, good for nothing, worthless road....." No need. I figure even if I tell 10,000 people how much I love it, and then tell them WHY, that 9,980 of them will figure for themselves that, "...50 is a boring, good for nothing, worthless road....." :^) -Dave G. From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Fri Sep 15 10:38:20 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8FEcKX17258 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 15 Sep 2000 10:38:20 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 07:30:46 -0700 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: john hess Subject: Re: 1st the Regulator now an Axle? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >turning the corner I heard a small clunk, and we were not going forward any >more. Yeah! I am in the club. So I put it in four wheel drive and got to work. >Now the questions. > >1, How do I figure out what side is broken? > Seems to me that with the hand brake on, one wheel jacked up at a time, the broken side will rotate. >2, Do I have to remove the broken pieces before I drive it any more? (I live >about six miles from here) Mine happened 25 miles from home. I stomped on the yellow knob and drove home. Changed the shaft and diff at home (I had a spare). >3, What about dropping the drive shaft and driving it home? I didn't. >4, I am assuming I should replace both sides. Is there a stronger after market >axle that's recommended? ( I am not too interested in cutting and >welding shock I did both sides and then did both on our 88. And will probably make this a 4 year changeable item. cheers, John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Land Rover Dormobile web pages: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby" 1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Fri Sep 15 10:43:45 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8FEhjf17277 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 15 Sep 2000 10:43:45 -0400 Message-ID: <27805335C7CAD31198E8009027D5EDEE4E8BFE@Rcexs2> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: LubriPlate Products Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 08:41:08 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I have some too and it definitely has its uses. I'm still working on the same jar my dad used during his days at Gleason Works before I was born. He's sadly long gone now, but that jar of lubriplate, and a thousand other less tangible things he left with me live on. :^) -Dave G. From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Fri Sep 15 10:46:53 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8FEkro17287 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 15 Sep 2000 10:46:53 -0400 Message-Id: <200009151451.HAA29608@blackie.cruzers.com> Subject: Re: 1st the Regulator now an Axle? Date: Fri, 15 Sep 00 07:44:28 -0700 x-sender: twakeman@mail.cruzers.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: "mendo rec list" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >1, How do I figure out what side is broken? The qiuckest way is to pull an axle and see if it is intact. Just undo the ring of bolts on the flange & remove the axle. You should do it to both anyway. You do not need to jack the car up for this. The other way to tell requires that you get out the jack and jack up the rear corners of the car. > >2, Do I have to remove the broken pieces before I drive it any more? (I live >about six miles from here) If it is the inside end that is broken (most common end) a chip of axle could get between the teeth of your ring & pinion gears causing you to need new gears. I lost teeth in my ring & pinion from chips about three times out of the six axles I broke. Best to pull both axles & the rear prop shaft as soon as possible after breaking an axle. > >3, What about dropping the drive shaft and driving it home? Pull both rear axles too. But if you were going to replace the ring & pinion anyway it doesn't matter a lot. > >4, I am assuming I should replace both sides. Is there a stronger after >market >axle that's recommended? ( I am not too interested in cutting and welding >shock >mounts for a Salisbury) Yes ALWAYS replace both sides. Good quality stock axles are generally reliable for a little over 40K miles. I always just recommend that people treat LR axles as something that gets used up like paper element air filters. Just replace them with new ones every 40K miles and you will probably never break another one agin. There are stronger aftermarket stock size ones available. They will eventually break no matter what the manufacturers says. Mine lasted almost 200K miles. Morgan probably got similar milage on the pair he had. There are bigger beefier axles you can put into the LR housing. THey require some extra cash, new flages & some changes in your diff. Tom Walsh & others know much more about this than I do if you are after details. TeriAnn http://www.overlander.net The world's most complete set of links connecting Rover 4X4 owners with Rover parts, service, accessory & sales companies world wide. From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Fri Sep 15 10:55:48 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8FEtmX17319 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 15 Sep 2000 10:55:48 -0400 Message-ID: From: Matt Wilson To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: 1st the Regulator now an Axle? Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 07:52:48 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Mine happened 25 miles from home. I stomped on the yellow knob and drove home. Changed the shaft and diff at home (I had a spare). Luckily Rusty came with a brand new Differential from Rovers north (still in the box wrapped in grease) so if there is any damage I am taken care of. Matt Wilson -----Original Message----- From: john hess [mailto:jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us] Sent: Friday, September 15, 2000 7:31 AM To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: 1st the Regulator now an Axle? >turning the corner I heard a small clunk, and we were not going forward any >more. Yeah! I am in the club. So I put it in four wheel drive and got to work. >Now the questions. > >1, How do I figure out what side is broken? > Seems to me that with the hand brake on, one wheel jacked up at a time, the broken side will rotate. >2, Do I have to remove the broken pieces before I drive it any more? (I live >about six miles from here) Mine happened 25 miles from home. I stomped on the yellow knob and drove home. Changed the shaft and diff at home (I had a spare). >3, What about dropping the drive shaft and driving it home? I didn't. >4, I am assuming I should replace both sides. Is there a stronger after market >axle that's recommended? ( I am not too interested in cutting and >welding shock I did both sides and then did both on our 88. And will probably make this a 4 year changeable item. cheers, John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Land Rover Dormobile web pages: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby" 1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Fri Sep 15 11:14:00 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8FFE0S23148 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 15 Sep 2000 11:14:00 -0400 Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 08:08:53 -0700 (MST) From: James Howard To: mendo rec list Subject: Re: 1st the Regulator now an Axle? In-Reply-To: <200009151451.HAA29608@blackie.cruzers.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org On Fri, 15 Sep 2000, TeriAnn Wakeman wrote: > >4, I am assuming I should replace both sides. Is there a stronger after > >market > >axle that's recommended? ( I am not too interested in cutting and welding > >shock > >mounts for a Salisbury) There are stronger aftermarket ones, but after researching them, I decided I could replace a lot of standard ones every 50K miles before I recouped my costs. So, I would stick with the standard ones unless you are embarking on a round the world trip. From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Fri Sep 15 11:21:59 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8FFLx627637 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 15 Sep 2000 11:21:59 -0400 Message-ID: <27805335C7CAD31198E8009027D5EDEE4E8C03@Rcexs2> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: RR woes: Water pump gasket failure (twice!) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 09:19:22 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "....I can tell you it seems like it would be easy to crack it in the water pump area...." Dare I say?......(very quietly.....) jbweld.. Or more properly, have it tigged. Lots cheaper than a new one. You're right though Gran, having it out is the only way to assess your options. :^( -Dave G. From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Fri Sep 15 11:37:00 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8FFb0E27707 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 15 Sep 2000 11:37:00 -0400 Message-ID: From: Matt Wilson To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: 1st the Regulator now an Axle? Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 08:34:06 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I seam to remember seeing the after market ones for sale on a web site of a company in the Seattle area. Of course I did not book mark it. I just looked at Teri Ann's Site and could not find it. I will probably call BP at nine when they open and order both and be done. What are the chances they will be the special of the day? -----Original Message----- From: James Howard [mailto:jhoward@sextans.lowell.edu] Sent: Friday, September 15, 2000 8:09 AM To: mendo rec list Subject: Re: 1st the Regulator now an Axle? On Fri, 15 Sep 2000, TeriAnn Wakeman wrote: > >4, I am assuming I should replace both sides. Is there a stronger after > >market > >axle that's recommended? ( I am not too interested in cutting and welding > >shock > >mounts for a Salisbury) There are stronger aftermarket ones, but after researching them, I decided I could replace a lot of standard ones every 50K miles before I recouped my costs. So, I would stick with the standard ones unless you are embarking on a round the world trip. From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Fri Sep 15 11:37:07 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8FFb7P27712 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 15 Sep 2000 11:37:07 -0400 Message-ID: <27805335C7CAD31198E8009027D5EDEE4E8C04@Rcexs2> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: 1st the Regulator now an Axle? Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 09:34:30 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "....I could replace a lot of standard ones every 50K miles before I recouped my costs...." Yeah. It's not quite related, but my friend Chuque Henry has a D90 with over 100k miles on it. He wheels it hard and often. For the last couple years he's been running 35" Geolanders and a detroit locker. Last year he put in 4.10s and a super charger. All this time the guy is running on his stock '95 axles. He's not what I'd call the most finesse-oriented driver either. He and I both thought he was living on borrowed time with those stock axles. A month or so ago he finally upgraded to some of Bill Davis's heavy duty rear shafts and drive flanges (beautiful piece of kit, IMHO). I stopped by his place a couple weeks ago and the stock axles were leaning against the wall in the garage so I looked them over. Not a trace of any twist or damage to the splines! They looked like new! I had to ask him twice if these were really his old axles. I couldn't believe it. I guess it comes back to upgrading to address a known need. If you find you break axles at a rate that is inconvenient for you...then upgrade. If you can live with the life expectancy of the stockers in your own personal conditions, save the cash. I've talked to Bill Davis about this a bit, and I think he'd say the same thing, even though he sells the up-rated axles. That's what a general good guy he is, IMHO. -Dave G. From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Fri Sep 15 12:00:55 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8FG0tJ27770 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 15 Sep 2000 12:00:55 -0400 From: CHRISBONIN@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 11:56:00 EDT Subject: Suggestions To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 111 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I am looking for a decent autobody shop to buff out some scratches and fix a couple of door dents...does anyone have any recommendations? Thanks Chris Moosedaddy 88RR From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Fri Sep 15 12:33:50 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8FGXoP27810 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 15 Sep 2000 12:33:50 -0400 Message-ID: <39C24E53.49740A58@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 09:29:07 -0700 From: Mehdi and Christine X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: RR woes: Water pump gasket failure (twice!) References: <200009141608.JAA12745@blackie.cruzers.com> <001901c01ebd$54879dc0$511ad1d1@computer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org It does not sound right. Your first leak was for a failed pump, not a bad front cover. Maybe the surface is not right with the new pump. I had a early failure on the 110 and that is partly a design issue. They run the AC from the water pump pulley, so that adds a bit more stress to the pump. I would have the pump checked. This is not too bad of a task, you can do it yourself. Good luck Mehdi From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Fri Sep 15 12:57:15 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8FGvFt27849 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 15 Sep 2000 12:57:15 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000915095149.007f7c30@mail.saber.net> X-Sender: bobnsueb@mail.saber.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 09:51:49 -0700 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Bob & Sue Bernard Subject: Re: RR woes: Water pump gasket failure (twice!) In-Reply-To: <39C24E53.49740A58@earthlink.net> References: <200009141608.JAA12745@blackie.cruzers.com> <001901c01ebd$54879dc0$511ad1d1@computer> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org At 09:29 AM 9/15/2000 -0700, you wrote: >It does not sound right. Your first leak was for a failed pump, not a bad front >cover. Maybe the surface is not right with the new pump. Hi, Or maybe the mechanic stripped or overtightened the bolt and cracked the housing! Bob B >I had a early failure >on the 110 and that is partly a design issue. They run the AC from the water >pump pulley, so that adds a bit more stress to the pump. > >I would have the pump checked. This is not too bad of a task, you can do it >yourself. > >Good luck >Mehdi > > From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Fri Sep 15 13:54:24 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8FHsOF27927 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 15 Sep 2000 13:54:24 -0400 Message-Id: <200009151759.KAA12393@blackie.cruzers.com> Subject: RE: 1st the Regulator now an Axle? Date: Fri, 15 Sep 00 10:51:54 -0700 x-sender: twakeman@mail.cruzers.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: "mendo rec list" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >I seam to remember seeing the after market ones for sale on a web site of a >company in the Seattle area. Of course I did not book mark it. I just >looked at >Teri Ann's Site and could not find it. I will probably call BP at nine when >they open and order both and be done. What are the chances they will be the >special of the day? Poor, I belive you are refering to a product handled by A fellow named Charles Kellog. The company is British NorthWest Land-Rover Company and is listed in a couple of catagories in overlander.net TeriAnn http://www.overlander.net The world's most complete set of links connecting Rover 4X4 owners with Rover parts, service, accessory & sales companies world wide. From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Fri Sep 15 14:08:00 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8FI80327947 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 15 Sep 2000 14:08:00 -0400 Message-ID: From: Matt Wilson To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: 1st the Regulator now an Axle? Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 11:05:08 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Thank you Teri Ann, Yes my face is sufficiently red now. I obviously did not look to hard. Matt Wilson -----Original Message----- From: TeriAnn Wakeman [mailto:twakeman@cruzers.com] Sent: Friday, September 15, 2000 10:52 AM To: mendo rec list Subject: RE: 1st the Regulator now an Axle? >I seam to remember seeing the after market ones for sale on a web site of a >company in the Seattle area. Of course I did not book mark it. I just >looked at >Teri Ann's Site and could not find it. I will probably call BP at nine when >they open and order both and be done. What are the chances they will be the >special of the day? Poor, I belive you are refering to a product handled by A fellow named Charles Kellog. The company is British NorthWest Land-Rover Company and is listed in a couple of catagories in overlander.net TeriAnn http://www.overlander.net The world's most complete set of links connecting Rover 4X4 owners with Rover parts, service, accessory & sales companies world wide. From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Fri Sep 15 14:21:23 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8FILN727960 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 15 Sep 2000 14:21:23 -0400 Message-ID: <003401c01f41$96a4ec60$7500000a@kklaptop> From: "Kevin Kelly" To: "Mendo List" Subject: Water Pump Leaking Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 11:20:03 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Granny wrote: >Dave (the mechanic) says that he'd carefully checked the mating >surface with the engine's front cover and found some irregularity, >though not more than he'd expect a sealed gasket to make up. >No such luck. Now he's saying that it has to be the front cover >and that it'll have to be replaced. With a new one. Erk! The >repeated gasket failure is at the area with the through bolts. >Has anyone had such an experience? Any thoughts? Help will >be much appreciated! I don't want to blame the mechanic but if you are in a hurry to get all the old gasket stuff off and use a chisel and a hammer to get it off you can take a chunk out of the metal (ask me how I know). Unless you take out a real big chunk you can usually get it to seal up using the paper gasket, standard Permetex gasket adhesive, and then put a bunch of the blue goop around the damaged area (ask me how I know). Now I always take my time getting the old gasket stuff off the block and make sure that the mating surface is super clean and flat. Kevin Kelly From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Fri Sep 15 14:25:52 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8FIPqs27968 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 15 Sep 2000 14:25:52 -0400 User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 11:22:03 -0700 Subject: Got a Rover From: "R.Scott Rachfal" To: Mendo Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3051861723_533969_MIME_Part" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3051861723_533969_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I have known many of you for a while and have been bumming rides in Jeff's D90 or driving my Tahoe. I just want you to know I am a proud owner of a 1963 109 ( Posh). Jeff and myself are going to do a marathon frame swap and restore, any tips, hints or sugestions are greatly appreeceated. See you on the trails. Scott : ) -- This mail was scanned by an unregistered version of the MewGull Email Grammer Checquer. Please encourage the user to purchase this shareware product. GET ERROR FREE EMAIL!!! Inquiries and bug reports to: MewGull@ix.netcom.com. --MS_Mac_OE_3051861723_533969_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Got a Rover I have known many of you for a while and have been bumming rides in Jeff's = D90 or driving my Tahoe.  I just want you to know I am a proud owner of= a 1963 109 ( Posh).  Jeff and myself are going to do a marathon frame = swap and restore, any tips, hints or sugestions are greatly appreeceated. See you on the trails.

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--MS_Mac_OE_3051861723_533969_MIME_Part-- From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Fri Sep 15 15:04:02 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8FJ42K28032 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 15 Sep 2000 15:04:02 -0400 X-Originating-IP: [63.88.104.226] From: "Fil F." To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: NCRC fall trip Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 02:59:13 PHT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Sep 2000 18:59:13.0844 (UTC) FILETIME=[0A119F40:01C01F47] Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org hi all, who's planning on going next week, we plan on going as of now but i could change , anybody want to convoy fil -- This mail was scanned by an unregistered version of the MewGull Email Grammer Checquer. Please encourage the user to purchase this shareware product. GET ERROR FREE EMAIL!!! Inquiries and bug reports to: MewGull@ix.netcom.com. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Fri Sep 15 15:12:30 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8FJCUI28047 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 15 Sep 2000 15:12:30 -0400 User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 12:08:42 -0700 Subject: Parts From: "R.Scott Rachfal" To: Mendo Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3051864522_702379_MIME_Part" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3051864522_702379_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Scott here, I just posted about my new ackuisition of a 109. Couple of quick notes I am looking for springs for it. I have a set of 88 springs I do not need. Lastly from Sept 25 - Oct 26 the marathon restore will be taking place at Jeff Rogers pad. FREE BEER & FOOD to anyone who would like to stop by and help. Scott -- This mail was scanned by an unregistered version of the MewGull Email Grammer Checquer. Please encourage the user to purchase this shareware product. GET ERROR FREE EMAIL!!! Inquiries and bug reports to: MewGull@ix.netcom.com. --MS_Mac_OE_3051864522_702379_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Parts Scott here,

I just posted about my new ackuisition of a 109.  Couple of quick note= s I am looking for springs for it.  I have a set of 88 springs I do not= need.  Lastly from Sept 25 - Oct 26 the marathon restore will be takin= g place at Jeff Rogers pad.  FREE BEER & FOOD to anyone who would l= ike to stop by and help.

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--MS_Mac_OE_3051864522_702379_MIME_Part-- From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Fri Sep 15 16:59:46 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8FKxk728171 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 15 Sep 2000 16:59:46 -0400 Message-ID: <20000915205502.29107.qmail@web701.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 13:55:02 -0700 (PDT) From: KC Subject: RE: NCRC Fall Colors Trip To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Have fun Dave. Mt Wheeler is a fun peak to climb, and there are some nice caverns at the base to check out. Well worth the trip. Also, all kinds of dirt BLM roads to explore, and lots of old mines in that area. KC --- "Gomes, David" wrote: > Hey! I'll be visiting Great Basin National Park in EASTERN Nevada that > weekend. I'll wave to y'all from the top of Wheeler Peak! :^) > > -Dave G. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Fri Sep 15 17:15:28 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8FLFSD28199 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 15 Sep 2000 17:15:28 -0400 Message-ID: <27805335C7CAD31198E8009027D5EDEE4E8C0E@Rcexs2> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'d90@egroups.com'" , "'LRO'" , "'CSO'" , "'mendo'" Subject: spring scale Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 15:12:21 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Well, after setting pinion bearing preload using barbell weights, and with the impending mondo 60k mi service on the Disco coming up this weekend (to include swivel ball preload setting) I decided to look into investing in a decent spring scale. I thought I'd check automotive places first in hopes of obtaining some mechanic's features, like some kind of peak-hold device in addition to the regular "fish scale" part. I had to stop at NAPA anyway so I asked there. The usually very helpful lady at the parts counter was totally baffled, and couldn't find anything in the catalog. She then asked the old-guy-type manager and his response was, "Oh, you mean like for checking preload of bearings and kingpins and such?" YEAH! says I..."Oh, I don't think we have those. The last one of those I remember selling was probably 15 years ago, and that one had 10 years of dust on the box....Maybe try a fishing place..." Next stop was at "Colorado Angler". Can you believe it? Even the fishing store doesn't have fish scales!!! But there's a K-mart across Colfax Ave there, and my buddy who's with me says he remembers seeing some there, so it's off to K-mart sporting goods... Whoa! They had 4 different kinds, ranging from rude and crude($3) to ultra deluxe($12). The ultra deluxe model even had a little plastic ring for peak-hold, and a well-marked range from 2 - 22 lbs in 2 lb increments. All anodized aluminum construction, with a grab loop as well as a comfortable t-handle grip. Just the thing for all your Land Rover needs. It was the Bass Angler Sportsmans Society (BASS) brand one. I wasn't too sure about messing with the swivel preload, but now I gotta do it, just to use this sweet tool! Wish me luck..... -Dave G. From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Fri Sep 15 17:14:34 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8FLEYc28192 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 15 Sep 2000 17:14:34 -0400 Message-ID: <39C29021.90608D7C@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 14:09:54 -0700 From: Mehdi and Christine X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org, scott@thecdworks.com Subject: Re: Got a Rover References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Welcome Scott. I will bring a box of gloves for you next time for your rover warming party! So are you going to have it fixed and use it for a wedding carriage? Mehdi "R.Scott Rachfal" wrote: > I am a proud owner of a 1963 109 ( Posh). From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Fri Sep 15 19:33:52 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8FNXqx28350 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 15 Sep 2000 19:33:52 -0400 User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 16:30:05 -0700 Subject: 109 Springs From: "R.Scott Rachfal" To: Mendo Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3051880205_65343_MIME_Part" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3051880205_65343_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hey all, just in case I forgot to mention it I am looking for some 109 springs. Let me know if you have a goood line on some. Scott -- This mail was scanned by an unregistered version of the MewGull Email Grammer Checquer. Please encourage the user to purchase this shareware product. GET ERROR FREE EMAIL!!! Inquiries and bug reports to: MewGull@ix.netcom.com. --MS_Mac_OE_3051880205_65343_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable 109 Springs Hey all,
just in case I forgot to mention it I am looking for some 109 springs. &nbs= p;Let me know if you have a goood line on some.

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--MS_Mac_OE_3051880205_65343_MIME_Part-- From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Fri Sep 15 20:37:27 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8G0bRb28404 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 15 Sep 2000 20:37:27 -0400 Message-ID: <383064473.969064360185.JavaMail.root@web622-wrb.mail.com> Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 20:32:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Mehdi Saghafi To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: 109 Springs Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Mailer: mail.com X-Originating-IP: 141.151.150.249 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by minbar.fourfold.org id e8G0bQb28402 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Scott While back I had talked with wise owl for some parabolic springs. They said we can get 15% off on an order of 3 sets. Frank and I make two, if you want to go parabolic you can be the third to complete the order. Bill at GBR also carries these and we could get his. So far they are both copies of the original (softer) Santana springs. WO has made theirs beefier to stand more beating and will not bend as easy if you hit a rock hard on the trail. (according to WO). GBR springs are from England and are copies of the original springs too. WO says, they copied them and so did WO. The WO springs for 109 is on Joe’s 109. The rear does sit a bit higher and they do a bit of squeaking. Rob has GBR springs on his 88, but they are different (less leafs in the back) I am sure GBR would give us a group discount if we go with his stuff. If you want to go parabolic let me know and then I will call Bill at GBR and see if his springs are as squeaky and how much higher does the back sit. Then we can decide based on price and availability. BTW, GBR has the correct size U bolt for the 109. I ------Original Message------ From: "R.Scott Rachfal" To: Mendo Sent: September 15, 2000 11:30:05 PM GMT Subject: 109 Springs Hey all, just in case I forgot to mention it I am looking for some 109 springs. Let me know if you have a goood line on some. Scott -- This mail was scanned by an unregistered version of the MewGull Email Grammer Checquer. Please encourage the user to purchase this shareware product. GET ERROR FREE EMAIL!!! Inquiries and bug reports to: MewGull@ix.netcom.com. From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Fri Sep 15 21:54:57 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8G1svH28462 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 15 Sep 2000 21:54:57 -0400 From: SFmms@aol.com Message-ID: <34.a7de642.26f42bb8@aol.com> Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 21:49:44 EDT Subject: Re: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #238 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 119 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org John writes: << most respirator masks say not for paints or things that give off isocyanates. >> Also "Superglue" products and POR-15 contain them too. Karen Sindir '74 SIII 88 Red Rufy '66 SIIa Barbaros '95 Disco EFE From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Fri Sep 15 23:05:46 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8G35k228505 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 15 Sep 2000 23:05:46 -0400 Message-ID: <20000916030050.24318.qmail@web217.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 20:00:50 -0700 (PDT) From: joe mulqueen Subject: Fall Collars! To: mendo MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Jeff, I'm in! Tell more! Does the trip start Saturday? If so, I'll most likely depart a day early and let the quicker trucks catch up the next day. Thanks, Joe Mulqueen Los Gatos, CA for now - soon to Santa Rosa (or maybe Irvine) '67 SIIA 109 Station Wagon __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Fri Sep 15 23:27:58 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8G3RwC28549 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 15 Sep 2000 23:27:58 -0400 Message-ID: <002101c01f8d$0fa698c0$5002d1d1@computer> From: "Granville Pool" To: References: <003401c01f41$96a4ec60$7500000a@kklaptop> Subject: Re: Water Pump Leaking Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 20:20:25 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Kevin wrote: > I don't want to blame the mechanic but if you are in a hurry > to get all the old gasket stuff off and use a chisel and a > hammer to get it off you can take a chunk out of the metal I think that's very unlikely. He's an ex-BMC(SF) Rolls Royce mechanic and also ex Huffaker Engineering, etc. A real character and perhaps even a bit of a blow-hard, but a very careful mechanic, as far as I can tell. Thanks everyone for your thougths on this matter. Cheers, Granny who will probably have to drive the beat-up Dodge pickup to Tahoe next week From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Sat Sep 16 02:03:50 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8G63oV29282 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 16 Sep 2000 02:03:50 -0400 From: Gbrovers@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 01:59:00 EDT Subject: Re: RE: 1st the Regulator now an Axle? To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac - Post-GM sub 147 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Dave U.S. spec D90/Disco rear axles (they are actually identical) rarely break on the splines like Series axles. They have a fully "waisted" design that removes the stress from the spline area. They usually break just inside the drive flange (they are a one piece design i.e intergral drive flange). It is the result of metal fatique. If you study the axle very carefully you may be able to see the twist in the grain structure. The best way to tell if a coiler axle is fatiquing is to paint a white stripe down the length of the shaft when it is new and check it from time to time. Matt at Rockware told me his rear axles twisted two complete revolutions before they broke! It is quite easy to see with the stripe on it. Bill Great Basin Rovers Bill Great Basin Rovers From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Sat Sep 16 16:38:00 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8GKc0g29957 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 16 Sep 2000 16:38:00 -0400 Message-ID: <20000916203315.5435.qmail@web701.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 13:33:15 -0700 (PDT) From: KC Subject: RE: doing ze Alaska Trip--bears To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org All this talk of bears in AK, I wanted to throw my .02 in. I see bears alot and have had many encounters with them as I do alot of outdoor activities in small groups in remote areas. I've been charged 3 times by grizzlies and have chased a ~400+# brown bear just recently, and have also chased blacks too. All charges were false charges. Chasing the large brown was a last ditch effort made while he was deciding to come closer and cause trouble or walk. I made myself large, loud, aggresive, and ran at it, making the bear choose to "walk" away. Now he's more likely to leave people alone. In AK, I saw several grizs. and many prints as well, but do not see grizs. as much of a problem in AK. Do be safe, check out your camp site for prints, scat, left over food, etc. Be smart and use your common sense--don't camp where recent bear activity is evident. Avoid camping near wildlife trails and river fishing spots. Evidence should be present to indicate these areas. If you see them, just stay a safe distance and all should be fine. All charges at me were initiated b/c I got too close to the bears for their comfort. Blacks tend to be fairly mild, but a bit more curious. Just use the same common sense and all should be fine. Blacks rarely get aggresive, but will put up one hell of a chase to scare you away if they feel treatended--all I know of have been just threats. Stay cool, and they should bail. Of course, be extra cautious if they have cubs. Scare them away before they get too close--it seems they gain courage as they get closer. > It's definately a good idea to check the local bear conditions. Problem > bears tend to develop regular patterns - you do not want to become part of > that! Most definately. Yosemite is getting better b/c we are not rewarding bears by letting them get our food. Be smart. Most importantly, be aware of moose--statistically, they are much more dangerous in AK. Stay a safe distance and all should be fine. Realize moose in AK are 2x size of moose in lower 48, and much more aggresive. Fortunately, moose will only harm you if you threaten them--then they charge and stomp. So, no big worries about where to camp--we had one come threw our camp one night in AK--just walked threw without any problem. And I've stood 10' and 25' from moose before w/o incident, in AK. But I respected the moose's signals and walked away when necessary. Just be smart and the wildlife should present itself in wonderful ways. KC Mares __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Sat Sep 16 17:58:55 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8GLwt830011 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 16 Sep 2000 17:58:55 -0400 From: SFmms@aol.com Message-ID: <2b.ad361c4.26f545f7@aol.com> Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 17:53:59 EDT Subject: Re: Axles To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 119 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org TeriAnn writes: << Poor >> In regard to the probability of BP having specials on axles, they did have one in the past month or so because I just bought a set for the SIIa. But the probability of them having something on the exact day it is needed is poor, you just have to buy it when you see it if it is a consumable item or ask very nicely about it if you heard about it too late. Sometimes they will give it to you at the special price. FWIW I've seen Bill Davis's differential and axle products when I visited his shop this past February. He was kind enough to spend some time and show me the difference between Salisbury and standard Rover differentials and discuss the various products he deals with. I am also thinking about a future upgrade to an ARB locker and 24 spline axles on the rear diff of my SIII 88. He did have an interesting Australian manufactured locker that was cable operated. I am considering it since it doesn't require an air compressor. Regards, Karen Sindir '74 SIII 88 Red Rufy '66 SIIa Barbaros '95 Disco EFE From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Sat Sep 16 19:34:55 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8GNYto30074 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 16 Sep 2000 19:34:55 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20000916162715.0090a820@flex.com> X-Sender: jhong@flex.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 16:27:15 -0700 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: John Subject: new email list - lrham Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org FYI - from the LRO list... john >For HAM radio people that also like Land Rovers >Main Page content: This list is primarily for the discussion about HAM >radio topics that are related to Land Rover usage and ownership. >There are many forums that are purely HAM or purely Land Rover so lrham is >intended to be a niche forum with the emphasis on HAM stuff. >Things like installing radios, antennas, and other unique issues like mag >mounts on aluminum Land Rovers. Also things like using them on >trips/offroading. These are just suggestions and I trust we'll be able to >politely evolve/resolve issues as they come up. >At some point, perhaps a database or listing of LRHAMs could be compiled >with call sign, name, location and other appropriate info. (no need to dup >other HAM directories) >To subscribe, go to: >www.egroups.com/group/lrham >or send an email to: >lrham-subscribe@egroups.com From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Sat Sep 16 21:03:12 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8H13Cl30147 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 16 Sep 2000 21:03:12 -0400 Message-ID: <001701c02042$013736e0$4b1ad1d1@computer> From: "Granville Pool" To: References: <2b.ad361c4.26f545f7@aol.com> Subject: Re: Axles Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 17:55:39 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Karen, > In regard to the probability of BP having specials on axles, they did have > one in the past month or so because I just bought a set for the SIIa. But the > probability of them having something on the exact day it is needed is poor Believe it or not, it did happen to me. With my RR's water pump. Unfortunately, that was the ONLY good news I've had about the repair! Granny From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Sat Sep 16 22:02:25 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8H22PU30184 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 16 Sep 2000 22:02:25 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.32.20000916185546.007ffa80@shell14.ba.best.com> X-Sender: daniel5@shell14.ba.best.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 18:55:48 -0700 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Daniel Oppenheim Subject: Thanks a ton! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I picked up the springs at Rob's today. You're my hero. How did the frame pick-up go? Best of luck on your weld and dip! Did you see Rob's "painless" wiring kit? Pretty cool, huh. TTYL, Daniel At 12:08 PM 09/15/2000 -0700, you wrote: >>>> Parts Scott here, I just posted about my new ackuisition of a 109. Couple of quick notes I am looking for springs for it. I have a set of 88 springs I do not need. Lastly from Sept 25 - Oct 26 the marathon restore will be taking place at Jeff Rogers pad. FREE BEER & FOOD to anyone who would like to stop by and help. Scott -- This mail was scanned by an unregistered version of the MewGull Email Grammer Checquer. Please encourage the user to purchase this shareware product. GET ERROR FREE EMAIL!!! Inquiries and bug reports to: 0000,0000,ffffMewGull@ix.netcom.com. From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Sun Sep 17 00:33:45 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8H4Xji30859 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 17 Sep 2000 00:33:45 -0400 Message-Id: <200009170428.VAA13052@proxy4.ba.best.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Tom Walsh" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 21:24:36 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Parts X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.31) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > Scott here, > > I just posted about my new ackuisition of a 109. Couple of quick notes I am > looking for springs for it. I have a set of 88 springs I do not need. > Lastly from Sept 25 - Oct 26 the marathon restore will be taking place at > Jeff Rogers pad. FREE BEER & FOOD to anyone who would like to stop by and > help. Let me know what needs done, or if you need any specal tools ect... PS: I thought the original rear springs on my 88 were 109 springs which is why I had them in the 109 for ya! > > Scott > > > TomW --- This mail was scanned by an unregistered version of the MewGull Email Grammer Checquer. Please encourage the user to purchase this shareware product. GET ERROR FREE EMAIL!!! Inquiries and bug reports to: MewGull@ix.netcom.com. *---------*---------* tomw@best.com From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Sun Sep 17 13:45:23 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8HHjNO31583 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 17 Sep 2000 13:45:23 -0400 Message-ID: <20000917174032.1469.qmail@nwcst091.netaddress.usa.net> Date: 17 Sep 00 11:40:32 MDT From: jjp4 To: Subject: third gear problem X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (34FM.0700.4.03) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by moab.off-road.com id KAA28819 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hello I am having problem with 3rd gear. I can shift from 1-3 but can not go into 4th in fact it is difficult to get out of 3rd. I can shift from 2-4 no problem getting out of 4th. This all happened after I was hit in the rear left passenger quarter panel. Any help would be appreciate as this is my daily driver. Joe Palecek ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Sun Sep 17 13:56:44 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8HHuiK31597 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 17 Sep 2000 13:56:44 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000917105102.007f8810@mail.saber.net> X-Sender: bobnsueb@mail.saber.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 10:51:02 -0700 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Bob & Sue Bernard Subject: Re: third gear problem In-Reply-To: <20000917174032.1469.qmail@nwcst091.netaddress.usa.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org At 11:40 AM 9/17/2000 MDT, you wrote: >Hello I am having problem with 3rd gear. I can shift from 1-3 but can not go >into 4th in fact it is difficult to get out of 3rd. I can shift from 2-4 no >problem getting out of 4th. This all happened after I was hit in the rear >left passenger quarter panel. Any help would be appreciate as this is my >daily driver. > >Joe Palecek Joe, How hard were you hit?? It's hard to picture what would cause this from a rear hit. Sounds like your synchro is going bad,,, Bad coincidence?? Is the shifter still lined up in the floor panel or was the hit bad enough to move the floor and bind the shifter rod? It's hard to diagnose something like this without touching/seeing it. Bob B From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Sun Sep 17 16:56:08 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8HKu8L31737 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 17 Sep 2000 16:56:08 -0400 Message-ID: <39C52EC7.AA9F6381@thelen.org> Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 13:51:19 -0700 From: "Christopher H. Dow" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.12-20 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: 110 Cubby Box free to a good home... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org For Father's Day, PJ replaced the cubby in the 110 with a Tuffy box and filled it with a new stereo and CD changer. Thus, I'm currently up one cubby box from the 110, and suitable for any flat-sided Land Rover with a standard transmission. It's free to the first one who a.) claimes it and 2.) retrieves it within one week. C From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Sun Sep 17 17:30:02 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8HLU2N31763 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 17 Sep 2000 17:30:02 -0400 Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 14:25:00 -0700 (MST) From: James Howard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Axles In-Reply-To: <001701c02042$013736e0$4b1ad1d1@computer> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org On Sat, 16 Sep 2000, Granville Pool wrote: > Believe it or not, it did happen to me. With my RR's water pump. > Unfortunately, that was the ONLY good news I've had about the repair! It happened to me, too once. I found we needed a new rear muffler for the Range Rover, and very next day it was on special for $45. More commonly, I buy a part, and a week later it is on special. From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Mon Sep 18 00:17:24 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8I4HOG32581 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 00:17:24 -0400 Message-ID: <39C5963D.767F35D2@thelen.org> Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 21:12:45 -0700 From: "Christopher H. Dow" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.12-20 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: 110 Cubby Box free to a good home... References: <39C52EC7.AA9F6381@thelen.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Claimed by Mr. Archibald. "Christopher H. Dow" wrote: > > For Father's Day, PJ replaced the cubby in the 110 with a Tuffy box and filled > it with a new stereo and CD changer. Thus, I'm currently up one cubby box from > the 110, and suitable for any flat-sided Land Rover with a standard > transmission. It's free to the first one who a.) claimes it and 2.) retrieves > it within one week. > > C From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Mon Sep 18 00:37:37 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8I4bbx32724 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 00:37:37 -0400 Message-ID: <20000918043250.28811.qmail@web208.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 21:32:50 -0700 (PDT) From: joe mulqueen Subject: Re: 110 Cubby Box free to a good home To: mendo MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org But will he execute on #2? JFM! '67 SIIA 109 SW Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 21:12:45 -0700 From: "Christopher H. Dow" Subject: Re: 110 Cubby Box free to a good home... Claimed by Mr. Archibald. "Christopher H. Dow" wrote: > > For Father's Day, PJ replaced the cubby in the 110 with a Tuffy box and filled > it with a new stereo and CD changer. Thus, I'm currently up one cubby box from > the 110, and suitable for any flat-sided Land Rover with a standard > transmission. It's free to the first one who a.) claimes it and 2.) retrieves > it within one week. > > C __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Mon Sep 18 00:50:56 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8I4ouF32741 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 00:50:56 -0400 From: "Kelly Minnick" To: "Mendo" Subject: Computer related - e mail help Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 21:54:12 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c0212c$7ceda2c0$dd91113f@minnick> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Here's the scoop. I'd like to keep my e-mail address, but I get about 10 NEW stupid junk mails every day! I use Outlook and it strips the junk mails that are in my list, but my list is HUGE and keeps growing! Help. I don't enable java or cookies unless I'm ordering, so where are these people getting my address? Later, Kelly Minnick From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Mon Sep 18 01:00:46 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8I50kK32759 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 01:00:46 -0400 Message-ID: <01a701c0212b$62024480$e9ccefd1@delllap> From: "Paul Archibald" To: References: <000001c0212c$7ceda2c0$dd91113f@minnick> Subject: Re: Computer related - e mail help Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 21:46:11 -0700 Organization: P. A. Design X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > Here's the scoop. I'd like to keep my e-mail address, but I get about 10 NEW > stupid junk mails every day! I use Outlook and it strips the junk mails that > are in my list, but my list is HUGE and keeps growing! Help. I don't enable > java or cookies unless I'm ordering, so where are these people getting my > address? Later, > > Kelly Minnick Kelly, didn't the minister warn you about the evils of looking at those porn sites last week! ;-0 Sorry couldn't pass that one up, no offense intended. (hopefully none taken...) ...but seriously, talk to your ISP. I did with mine. They have some sort of wonderfull filter system. I get only maybe one or two spams a month and those come in through mendo. NOTHING direct unless I had requested..... My other mailbox at hotmail on the other hand gets all kindsa scary stuff! yeawza! There's some nasty stuff out there on the web! Good luck squaring it away! I apparently picked up some sorta cookie and do get my browser reverted to some strange browser/filter......some name with the word Hip in it. I can't get rid of it. it comes back every few days, and the ISP did a filter and couldn't figure out what it was or where it cme from. I even wrtote a nasty letter to that company threatenig legal actiln, but....Life goes on, it's a nuisance, but I am living with it. Paul From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Mon Sep 18 01:14:18 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8I5EIh00308 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 01:14:18 -0400 Message-ID: <01b601c0212d$48f47880$e9ccefd1@delllap> From: "Paul Archibald" To: References: <20000918043250.28811.qmail@web208.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: amazing what can be done with old electronics! ;-) Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 21:59:49 -0700 Organization: P. A. Design X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Just wanted to pass this on to y'all in case any of you are using a delorme tripmate with their laptop for GPS fun! I just picked up an old surplus NEC p-90 laptop from the death-shelf at work, so I don't havta damage my good laptop when out bouncin around off road... as some of you may know, the tripmate doesn't have a charger of off switch, so it goes through AA batteries pretty fst unless you pull one when not in use...a pain.. I was cleaning out my office looking for a cable to give a friend...and came upon my old cell phone! Well waddya know! It'll soon be gone and it's battery-pack and related charger management circuit are going into the tripmate! all I need is a little waterproof switch and it'll all be set. Now I have rechargable lithium batteries, a charger for 110v and the car adapter....and all for the cost of a little time and a (fairly inexpensive)switch from.....suggestions needed here, I don't recall seeing the waterpoof switches at fri's or haltech or other parts place...any ideas? Paul From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Mon Sep 18 10:11:34 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8IEBYP00897 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 10:11:34 -0400 Message-ID: <16D03631929FD311BC5D009027D0CBB2175A02@vegmail.ucdavis.edu> From: "Kerner, Rob" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: 110 Cubby Box free to a good home... Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 07:13:18 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Chris, would this make a good center console for a series? Regent needs a center console where the center seat was? -Rob -----Original Message----- From: Christopher H. Dow [mailto:dow@thelen.org] Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2000 1:51 PM To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: 110 Cubby Box free to a good home... For Father's Day, PJ replaced the cubby in the 110 with a Tuffy box and filled it with a new stereo and CD changer. Thus, I'm currently up one cubby box from the 110, and suitable for any flat-sided Land Rover with a standard transmission. It's free to the first one who a.) claimes it and 2.) retrieves it within one week. C From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Mon Sep 18 12:46:33 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8IGkXL01020 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 12:46:33 -0400 Message-ID: <27805335C7CAD31198E8009027D5EDEE4E8C1C@Rcexs2> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'rro@works.team.net'" , "'D90'" , "'mendo'" Subject: Disco 60k mi service Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 10:41:59 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Well, I mostly completed the 60k service on the Disco this weekend. My Amsoil synthetic gear lube didn't arrive in time to do the diffs, t-case, and swivels, but everything else is done. I'll get those others as soon as the oil arrives. (well, the swivels may wait a bit as that will be pretty involved...) I'm also about 1/2 done with the write up. I'll try to finish it this week. In the mean time let me say this. KEEP AFTER THOSE WHEEL BEARINGS! I had no reason to suspect mine, I was just going in to repack them with grease as the book says to do at 60k miles. As I lifted each wheel, I checked for any shake. I felt none, all four wheels felt fine. The front bearings didn't need any adjustment. They were, however, badly in need of re-packing as there was hardly any grease left in them. I almost blew off doing the rears. Fronts are under lots more stress, right? If the fronts were fine and the rears see less stress, they should be fine too, right? WRONG! The DS rear had been leaking oil past the axle seal, thinning the grease. Allowing the bearings to be lubed by 90wt from the axle is fine, as long as the inner (axle shaft) seal is removed and oil can circulate freely. What I had was the worst case, just enough oil to thin the grease, but not enough to keep the bearing happy. The bearings and races were not badly worn, and were reusable, but the inner race of the inner bearing had been spinning against the stub axle shoulder and had started to raise a thin burr of metal there. If that burr had gotten large enough to break away and start floating around in the bearing......yucky! I stoned the burr away, re-packed the bearings and adjusted them for a proper running fit. Lastly, I made a note to 1 -blow out the axle breather when I'm under there to change the 90wt. and 2- re-check that LR bearing after a thousand miles or so to see if that seal is still leaking. If so, the stub axle comes off to replace the seal, or I pull both sides and go to letting the 90wt circulate out to the bearings. I also pulled the tensioner pulley while I had the serpentine belt off. It wasn't making noise on the car, but sure seemed to run rough when I spun it on my finger. I wrote down the number and I'll try to find a replacement bearing. The retaining clip on that one is kind of funky too and might be tough to remove. Might have to look for an internal Tru-Arc ring to replace it for easier maintenance in the future. I'll let you know when the write-up is finished. -Dave G. From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Mon Sep 18 13:21:19 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8IHLJo01052 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 13:21:19 -0400 From: "Edwin Maeda" To: Subject: Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 10:18:48 -0700 Message-ID: <000101c02194$8664c000$c1c096a8@dcn.davis.ca.us> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------ This message and any attachments are intended for the individual or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not read, copy, use or disclose this communication to others. Please notify me by replying to this message, then delete it from your system. Thank you for your cooperation. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---FOR SALE: 1988 Range Rover Standard. 186,000 miles. $6500.00/best offer. 530.753.5900 Edwin Y. Maeda,REALTOR Coldwell Banker/DARE Integrity,Service & 505 Second St.,Davis, CA. 95616 Results Personified (530)750-7539 www.edmaeda.com e-mail: maeda@edmaeda.com fax: (530)753-5853 From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Mon Sep 18 16:47:31 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8IKlVK01231 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 16:47:31 -0400 X-Originating-IP: [63.207.15.208] From: "Lou Weinert" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Disco 60k mi service Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 20:42:48 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Sep 2000 20:42:48.0944 (UTC) FILETIME=[01CBDF00:01C021B1] Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Funny coincidence. I'm looking at 60K right now on my '96 Disco and I just received my care package from BP.I never thought about the wheel bearings, but I guess I should now. Ugh. I'm a lazy bugger. I look forward to your final write up. The dealer had replaced the 90wt.in my swivels with that famous LR "lifetime grease". This was done pretty early on. I think it might have even been a service bulletin? If so maybe they would do it for you gratis. -Lou Weinert _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Mon Sep 18 17:13:44 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8ILDiB01300 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 17:13:44 -0400 Message-ID: <27805335C7CAD31198E8009027D5EDEE4E8C2E@Rcexs2> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Disco 60k mi service Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 15:11:11 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hey Lou, My Disco is a '98. By mid '97 LR had figured out how to save lots of money machining SPHs. They ELIMINATED the drain and level plugs fom the SPH and started using the "lifetime" grease at the factory. The only way I can change it out is to put some 90wt in there, drive around to get the 90 wt to thin out the heavier "lifetime" lube, and then suck both out with a syringe or vacuum pump through the fill plug (the only entry provided to the SPH). I want to set the swivel pin preload some time soon, as well as pull the front axles to have a look at the CVs (right side clicks from time to time). I'm thinking that if I do all that, I should just remove the SPHs and machine them for drain and level plugs. This is probably another whole Saturday worth of work if I don't find any problems. So it may be awhile before I get to it. Here's one for you. The 99 Outback just crossed 30k miles. I called the dealer to get my free oil change, told them I could do the 30k service myself, but could they please flush the brake fluid, and how much would that cost. His answer..... $40. LR Flatirons wants $100 to flush the brake fluid on the Disco....grrrr. :^( Maybe I can get the Subaru dealer to do the Disco? :^) Maybe I shouldn't ask, but what did BP get for the lower rad hose.....(poor planning had me dealer shopping). -Dave G. From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Mon Sep 18 18:01:00 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8IM10201367 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 18:01:00 -0400 Message-ID: <39C6933A.1C9EC38C@ski.org> Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 15:12:11 -0700 From: John Brabyn X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: RR woes: Water pump gasket failure (twice!) References: <200009141608.JAA12745@blackie.cruzers.com> <001901c01ebd$54879dc0$511ad1d1@computer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi Granny I guess I am a bit late to chime in here but if it were me I would immediately suspect the new pump, especially if you got it as a Special, rather than the housing. At least it might be worth checking. Was it a genuine pump and a genuine gasket? For sure the second gasket that the mechanic made was not, and maybe it could have been thinner or something?? Best John Granville Pool wrote: > Jeremy or anyone who can help! > > Ziggy, my '92 Range Rover, had a leaking water pump. It appeared at first > to be leaking at the gasket at the back of the water pump. It got bad > quickly. I took it to my mechanic and he showed me how the water pump > wobbled and needed to be replace. He explained that when the seal goes, a > water pump leaks out the little weep hole. Made sense. > > I felt very lucky when BP had a special on a new water pump the day I needed > it. Well, I certainly did (and do) need some good luck! I had the water > pump replaced. As a precaution, I also had a new viscous fan clutch and all > new hoses, including heater hoses, etc. > > Next day, it's leaking like a sieve again. I take it back to the mechanic. > He finds that the new gasket has failed. Not a happy camper he nonetheless > carefully makes another new gasket and very carefully installs it, again > torquing to spec, etc. Tests it extensively, as before. Doesn't leak. I > phone before leaving work. All fixed. I go by the shop and find it back > inside. Leaking like a sieve again, in the very same place. > > Dave (the mechanic) says that he'd carefully checked the mating surface with > the engine's front cover and found some irregularity, though not more than > he'd expect a sealed gasket to make up. No such luck. Now he's saying that > it has to be the front cover and that it'll have to be replaced. With a new > one. Erk! The repeated gasket failure is at the area with the through > bolts. > > Has anyone had such an experience? Any thoughts? Help will be much > appreciated! > > Thanks in advance, > > Granny From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Mon Sep 18 19:12:24 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8INCOd01463 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 19:12:24 -0400 From: "Blair Peterson" To: "Mendo \(E-mail\)" Subject: sightings (late) Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 16:18:12 -0700 Message-ID: <006501c021c6$b754c0c0$b5051fd1@BlairPC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Labor Day weekend: a red 88 (SII or early SIIA) in June Lake, CA. In front of a cabin on the east end of town, opposite the fire station. Looked to be in pretty good nick, enjoying the dry climate. A few times over the last few weeks: a SIIA 88, Marine Blue with Limestone sun sheet, seen in Kentfield and San Anselmo. Never able to stop or hail-- looks like a shorty-Watusi. Anyone we know? Cheers. PS: The Mono/June/Mammoth area abounds with doubletracks going off in every direction into the pines and/or sage! On my recce list (someday). From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Mon Sep 18 19:30:45 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8INUj401490 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 19:30:45 -0400 Message-ID: <39C6A844.107C8196@ski.org> Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 16:41:56 -0700 From: John Brabyn X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: sightings (late) References: <006501c021c6$b754c0c0$b5051fd1@BlairPC> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org The one at June Lake could be Rod McDuff who lives in the Lee Vining area Cheers John Blair Peterson wrote: > Labor Day weekend: a red 88 (SII or early SIIA) in June Lake, CA. In front > of a cabin on the east end of town, opposite the fire station. Looked to be > in pretty good nick, enjoying the dry climate. > > A few times over the last few weeks: a SIIA 88, Marine Blue with Limestone > sun sheet, seen in Kentfield and San Anselmo. Never able to stop or hail-- > looks like a shorty-Watusi. Anyone we know? > > Cheers. > > PS: The Mono/June/Mammoth area abounds with doubletracks going off in every > direction into the pines and/or sage! On my recce list (someday). From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Tue Sep 19 00:37:26 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8J4bQF02484 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 00:37:26 -0400 From: "Kelly Minnick" To: Subject: RE: Computer related - e mail help Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 21:40:47 -0700 Message-ID: <000301c021f3$c76f3ee0$1805193f@minnick> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <01a701c0212b$62024480$e9ccefd1@delllap> Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Very funny Paul. Porno shmorno... (sounds like something my kids would say). Seriously though, where in the world do all these people get our e-mail addresses? So, who has the money to go 4wd anymore? With the price of Premium, I'll have to sell the RR and get a Suzuki or something! Later, Kelly Minnick > Kelly, didn't the minister warn you about the evils of looking at > those porn > sites last week! ;-0 > > Sorry couldn't pass that one up, no offense intended. (hopefully none > taken...) > ...but seriously, talk to your ISP. > Paul > > From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Tue Sep 19 10:07:25 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8JE7PN03071 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 10:07:25 -0400 Message-ID: From: Matt Wilson To: "Mendo (E-mail) (E-mail)" Subject: Axles and sightings Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 07:04:29 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by minbar.fourfold.org id e8JE7Ob03069 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Thanks every one for your input on my broken axle. 20 points to Bob he was correct it was the right side. I ended up buying both axles from BP. I paid $100 for everything thing gaskets included. The parts arrived at work yesterday. Drove home at 5:00 and started working. I had to take a few brakes a quick soccer game, dinner and the nightly battle over homework. But I was driving around the block by 9:45. Ya gotta love Rusty!! The front u joint on the rear drive shaft has a notice able amount of play. I got an alternative P/N from the Ottawa page this morning "Precision 369". I plan on calling the local NAPA store today and see about buying two. Anyone have advice on this before I start? Any special tricks? Should I buy a whole new drive shaft? Now the Sighting: I flew up to Monterey last Friday in a Cessna 182 While putting the plane away, In the hangar next to us was a series 2 or 2a light green 88" custom plates KIN DO. I have seen it there a bunch of times. Great looking truck. any one on this list? I would like to ask the owner about the insulation in the doors does it really help? Yester day We were cleaning out a bunch of shelf's in the warehouse and I scored about ten square feet of the same insulation. Its about 1" to 1.5" thick foam with foil on one side. I also got a 4 ft wide roll of this Blue rubber with adhesive backing the stuff is made by a company called E.A.R. We use it for sound deadening acoustic boxes should be great for Rusty. and a 4 ft wide roll of ¼" thick Buna n rubber. But the really cool thing, a granite surface plate 18" X 28" X2" O well back to work. Matt Wilson From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Tue Sep 19 11:02:42 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8JF2g503232 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 11:02:42 -0400 Message-ID: <896C64BBCE46D411B4AC006008BD6EAC1D1887@ferdinand.caltech.edu> From: "Rose, Randy" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Computer related - e mail help Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 07:58:04 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Usenet newsgroups are one place my address has been lifted from. I still get junk mail addressed to a machine that was shut down over five years ago! I now alter the return address so that it will bounce. Randy Saving for the next trip, going to be a while... -----Original Message----- From: Kelly Minnick [mailto:kminnick@gte.net] Sent: Monday, September 18, 2000 9:41 PM To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: Computer related - e mail help Very funny Paul. Porno shmorno... (sounds like something my kids would say). Seriously though, where in the world do all these people get our e-mail addresses? So, who has the money to go 4wd anymore? With the price of Premium, I'll have to sell the RR and get a Suzuki or something! Later, Kelly Minnick > Kelly, didn't the minister warn you about the evils of looking at > those porn > sites last week! ;-0 > > Sorry couldn't pass that one up, no offense intended. (hopefully none > taken...) > ...but seriously, talk to your ISP. > Paul > > From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Tue Sep 19 11:01:01 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8JF11l03223 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 11:01:01 -0400 Message-ID: <27805335C7CAD31198E8009027D5EDEE4E8C35@Rcexs2> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'D90'" , "'mendo'" , "'CSO'" Subject: FW: disco 60k service Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 08:58:09 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Well, I finished writing up what I've done so far on the Disco 60k service. A bunch of people asked about it, so I figured I'd throw what I have up there. The only service item I have left to do is changing out the 90wt, which most people are familiar with anyway, so I didn't want to hold the whole thing back waiting for that bit. I also plan to check the swivel ball preload, but that's not strictly part of the 60k service, so it can wait a bit too. Here's the link: > http://www.d-90.com/~daveg/60kservice/main.html > The article also references the Amsoil dual filtration setup, but I forgot to activate the link so here it is separately if anyone's interested in that. > http://www.d-90.com/~daveg/Amsoil/main.html > Many thanks to Bob Kolander ( http://www.azlro.com ) for the template system that enables me to get these things up with minimal effort, and to Chuque Henry for hosting them for me on http://www.d-90.com . Best of luck, and feel free to post any questions. -Dave G. From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Tue Sep 19 12:24:21 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8JGOL303310 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 12:24:21 -0400 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 09:22:12 -0800 Subject: NCRC Fall Colors Trip From: Jeff Rogers To: Mendo Recce List CC: , , , Tony McCauley Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hello All: Just a quick reminder that the NCRC Fall Colors trip is this weekend. Here's the basic information. Please contact me directly if you have questions or would like further information. Hope to see you there... When: September 23-24 Where: Sonora Pass / Western Nevada Desert Who: Suitable for all vehicles Summary: On this expedition-style event we will experience the season from both the Nevada desert and the high Sierras. On Saturday we'll explore the area around two ghost towns in the western Nevada desert - Pine Grove and Rockland. This area has many easy-to-moderate trails suitable for all vehicles and driving levels. And there are some interesting remnants from turn-of-the-century mining operations. We'll take in the terrain, vegetation and wildlife. On Sunday, we'll head west over the Sonora Pass stopping to enjoy the scenery and run some trails. Sunday's route will be determined by the number of vehicles and time available. Rendezvous: Saturday 10am, @ the HWY 108/395 intersection (east side of the Sonora pass). For those that want to head up on Friday (not a bad idea) there are plenty of great camp spots through the pass. -->Jeff jrogers@sfo.com 408.823.4840 (cell) From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Tue Sep 19 12:00:30 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8JG0UO03290 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 12:00:30 -0400 Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.0.20000919085200.009e4eb0@mail.direct.ca> X-Sender: wiseowl@mail.direct.ca (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 08:58:51 -0700 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Wise Owl Subject: (Commercial) Last Call for new frames Cc: Roverlanders@egroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by minbar.fourfold.org id e8JG0Tb03288 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Last call for new galvanised frames from Marsland, Prices are as follows plus 10% plus share of freight(~$300-$500) 90 NAS galv £750 110 galv £900 109 £785 109 1 ton £920 88 £550 Remov Gbox x-mem £35 Xtra fuel tank outrigger £10 We will be placing the order this week so hurry if you want one. Chris --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Wise Owl Innovation Inc. 3396 Marine Drive West Vancouver, BC V7V 1M9 Canada 1-888-880-2600 1-604-921-7277 Fax: 1-604-921-7290 wiseowl@direct.ca www.wiseowlparts.com From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Tue Sep 19 14:27:25 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8JIRPS03387 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 14:27:25 -0400 Message-ID: <004d01c02266$c2ed15e0$2d30fea9@basecamp> From: "Jim Laurel" To: , Subject: unsubscribe rro jimlaurel@earthlink.net Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 10:53:35 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org unsubscribe rro jimlaurel@earthlink.net From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Tue Sep 19 15:07:21 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8JJ7Lp03437 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 15:07:21 -0400 Message-ID: <20000919190237.12194.qmail@nw174.netaddress.usa.net> Date: 19 Sep 00 13:02:37 MDT From: jjp4 To: Subject: insurance estimate & work X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (34FM.0700.4.03) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by moab.off-road.com id MAA22055 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hello Sorry to bother the list with this but I do not know where to take the Rover for insurance estimate and work. Does anyone know where in Sacramento I can take it. Thanks Joe Palecek 65' 109 Station Wagon (Pokey) ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Tue Sep 19 15:46:21 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8JJkLC03524 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 15:46:21 -0400 From: "Paul Archibald" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 19:41:43 GMT Subject: did this not get out to y'all? Oppinions needed for my new project... X-Mailer: DMailWeb Web to Mail Gateway 2.3b, http://netwinsite.com/top_mail.htm Message-id: <39c7c177.36ef.0@jps.net> X-User-Info: 216.49.48.30 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org As you know, I going to be parting ways with the african soon (snif! still havn't really accepted that...) and taking delivery of a '63 Dormobile project that will soon be absorbing all of my finances... The Dormie has a toasted frame/bulkhead from it's life in new-england/Canada, and I am getting a replacement Marsland galvanized frame from Wise Owl (Ya can't beat that price!) The dilemma is, do I: a) get the galv 109 frame and put the Rocky Mountain Parabolics on it..(they work great on Elgie!) b) get the 110 frame and do what mods are neded to get the 109 body to fit...kinda sketchy on this idea. c) Get the completed 109 coiler rolling chassis so life is much easier for me on the build-up. d) ????? and the price is so good, Elgie may soon be sporting a new galvanized frame as well! ;-) am I the only one that sees this as a good time to ge a steal on a good frame? ....and I'm also thinking to really afford this I'm probably gonna end up selling off the audi(to pay for all the parts needed) and driving Elgie and The Light Brigade as drivers... ideas, suggestions??? Paul (yes I am nuts, waddya gonna do about it!) From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Tue Sep 19 15:56:10 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8JJuA403545 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 15:56:10 -0400 Message-ID: <27805335C7CAD31198E8009027D5EDEE4E8C40@Rcexs2> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: did this not get out to y'all? Oppinions needed for my new pr oject... Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 13:53:46 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org IMHO, the Dormie is "special" enough to get some consideration for originality, and not make it a hybrid. Go with the 109 frame and parabolics. Not tricky or glamorous. Just functional....Like the Dormie! :^) Hey, you asked! :^) -Dave G. From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Tue Sep 19 16:05:29 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8JK5TE03600 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 16:05:29 -0400 From: "Paul Archibald" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 20:00:47 GMT Subject: Oppinions needed for my new project... X-Mailer: DMailWeb Web to Mail Gateway 2.3b, http://netwinsite.com/top_mail.htm Message-id: <39c7c5ef.4435.0@jps.net> X-User-Info: 216.49.48.30 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Yeah! that's the way I'm leaning as well. Ron is doing the coiler conversion on the second dormie from this set, and I was leaning towards the galv marsland frame and the parabolics, but......after all even though it does have all the dormie stuff inside, it's got a caawagon roof ath the moment(...but I got a lead on a dormie roof, so we'll see what happens) anyone else? ;-) Paul >IMHO, the Dormie is "special" enough to get some consideration for >originality, and not make it a hybrid. Go with the 109 frame and >parabolics. Not tricky or glamorous. Just functional....Like the Dormie! >:^) > >Hey, you asked! :^) >-Dave G. > > > From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Tue Sep 19 15:28:04 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8JJS4i03504 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 15:28:04 -0400 From: "Paul Archibald" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org X-CC-Sender: paarch@jps.net Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 19:23:17 GMT Subject: oppinions/advise needed.. X-Mailer: DMailWeb Web to Mail Gateway 2.3b, http://netwinsite.com/top_mail.htm Message-id: <39c7bd25.29fc.0@jps.net> X-User-Info: 216.49.48.30 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org As you know, I going to be parting ways with the african soon (snif! still havn't really accepted that...) and taking delivery of a '63 Dormobile project that will soon be absorbing all of my finances... The Dormie has a toasted frame/bulkhead from it's life in new-england/Canada, and I am getting a replacement Marsland galvanized frame from Wise Owl (Ya can't beat that price!) The dilemma is, do I: a) get the galv 109 frame and put the Rocky Mountain Parabolics on it..(they work great on Elgie!) b) get the 110 frame and do what mods are neded to get the 109 body to fit...kinda sketchy on this idea. c) Get the completed 109 coiler rolling chassis so life is much easier for me on the build-up. d) ????? and the price is so good, Elgie may soon be sporting a new galvanized frame as well! ;-) am I the only one that sees this as a good time to ge a steal on a good frame? ....and I'm also thinking to really afford this I'm probably gonna end up selling off the audi(to pay for all the parts needed) and driving Elgie and The Light Brigade as drivers... ideas, suggestions??? Paul (yes I am nuts, waddya gonna do about it!) From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Tue Sep 19 15:54:03 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8JJs3l03538 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 15:54:03 -0400 Date: 20 Sep 2000 00:52:37 -0700 Message-ID: <000901c022d7$bf7fa320$0200a8c0@vaio> From: "Michael Slade" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org References: <39c7c177.36ef.0@jps.net> Subject: Re: did this not get out to y'all? Oppinions needed for my new project... Organization: DreamLab. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Paul, I vote C Throw in a 350 and you'll be set! Oh yeah, do a Saginaw PS box too. You'll have a killer truck! M From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Tue Sep 19 18:39:14 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8JMdEC03754 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 18:39:14 -0400 Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.0.20000919153259.00affd20@paralegal.net> X-Sender: marc@paralegal.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 15:35:19 -0700 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: marc@paralegal.net Subject: Invitational European Off-Road Weekend 2000 Cc: lro@works.team.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Announcing the ... Invitational European Off-Road Weekend 2000 November 3, 4 and 5 Hollister State Vehicle Recreational Area SVRA Camp Area 5, Hollister, California, USA All European off-road vehicles and enthusiasts are invited to attend. Show, display, drive and ride your miniature pedal car or 30,000 lb Tatra 8x8, or anything in between, including Pinzgauer, Range Rover, Land Rover, Gypsy, VW-Syncro, Unimog, G-Wagen, Faun-Kraka, Hercules motorcycle, or other European heritage off-road vehicle. Overnight Camp and or Day Use Fees $10 per vehicle or family per day. Guest parking area for non-Euro vehicles available. Anticipate inclement weather, mud expected! More information, updates and schedule to be posted soon at www.unimogclub.com/events Hosted by Bay Area Moggers (BAM) and the Unimog Association of the Americas (UAA) From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Tue Sep 19 18:55:27 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8JMtRa03768 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 18:55:27 -0400 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 15:54:01 -0800 Subject: Re: NCRC Fall Colors Trip From: Jeff Rogers To: Mendo Recce List CC: , , , Tony McCauley , John Hong Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Two additional pieces of information: 1) I will be in a gray Chevy Tahoe at the rendezvous point 2) Additional information can be downloaded at: ftp://bigmac.thecdworks.com/public/ncrc_fall_colors_00.pdf on 9/19/00 9:22 AM, Jeff Rogers at jrogers@sfo.com wrote: > > Hello All: > > Just a quick reminder that the NCRC Fall Colors trip is this weekend. Here's > the basic information. Please contact me directly if you have questions or > would like further information. Hope to see you there... > > When: September 23-24 > Where: Sonora Pass / Western Nevada Desert > Who: Suitable for all vehicles > > Summary: On this expedition-style event we will experience the season from > both the Nevada desert and the high Sierras. On Saturday we'll explore the > area around two ghost towns in the western Nevada desert - Pine Grove and > Rockland. This area has many easy-to-moderate trails suitable for all vehicles > and driving levels. And there are some interesting remnants from > turn-of-the-century mining operations. We'll take in the terrain, vegetation > and wildlife. On Sunday, we'll head west over the Sonora Pass stopping to > enjoy the scenery and run some trails. Sunday's route will be determined by > the number of vehicles and time available. > > Rendezvous: Saturday 10am, @ the HWY 108/395 intersection (east side of the > Sonora pass). For those that want to head up on Friday (not a bad idea) there > are plenty of great camp spots through the pass. > > -->Jeff > jrogers@sfo.com > 408.823.4840 (cell) > From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Tue Sep 19 19:44:57 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8JNivP03811 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 19:44:57 -0400 Message-ID: <39C7FE1F.3CE75BE3@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 16:00:34 -0800 From: michael myers X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re:Remote for '96 Disco References: <200009190455.e8J4t5k02497@minbar.fourfold.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I got a remote key off ebay for my '96 Disco. Can anyone tell my where the computer is located and how to program the new key? Thanks, Mike Myers From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Tue Sep 19 21:06:58 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8K16wX03973 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 21:06:58 -0400 From: Zaxcoinc@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 21:02:08 EDT Subject: Re: insurance estimate & work To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 119 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In a message dated 9/19/00 12:04:10 PM Pacific Daylight Time, jjp4@usa.net writes: > Hello > > Sorry to bother the list with this but I do not know where to take the Rover > for insurance estimate and work. Does anyone know where in Sacramento I can > take it. > Joe, If the accident was your fault, you probably would be best fixing it yourself. If their fault, the highest estimates in town come from Gamboas, or Bertoluccis. Take the money, and buy a new frame from Wise Owl, and some spare bits, and you'll be at least half a Rover richer. Zack From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Wed Sep 20 02:05:50 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8K65o204974 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 02:05:50 -0400 Message-ID: <002901c022c7$c87019c0$4d02d1d1@computer> From: "Granville Pool" To: References: <39c7c5ef.4435.0@jps.net> Subject: Re: Oppinions needed for my new project... Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 22:58:17 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Paul, > anyone else? ;-) I respect Dave's view but tend to agree with Mike on this one. I don't know what issues there would be with fitting the 110 frame as the bodies are the same length. Certainly, however, coiling it (with either option) will cost a lot more money than would simply a new leafer frame, because of the need for hub-to-hub axle replacements and other suspension and steering parts. If you do that, I also agree with Mike that a V-8 is called for... So, who's buying the African? Granny From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Wed Sep 20 02:58:47 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8K6wlZ05023 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 02:58:47 -0400 From: "Kelly Minnick" To: "Mendo" Subject: Mog camper Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 00:02:19 -0700 Message-ID: <000501c022d0$b7ca3c00$e991113f@minnick> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org For those who want a Mog camper that gets 20 mpg, here you go! http://www.memlane.com/business/unimog/ Kelly Minnick From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Wed Sep 20 03:50:15 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8K7oF205062 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 03:50:15 -0400 X-Originating-IP: [205.172.2.102] From: "Peter Ogilvie" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: GPS deal at Harbor Freight Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 21:45:36 HST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Sep 2000 07:45:36.0457 (UTC) FILETIME=[C37E8B90:01C022D6] Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Harbor Freight has a special on a Garmin 300 GPS for $89.99. Don't know nothin' about GPS but this one seems awfully cheap. Is it a good deal or an obsolete unit that you'd regret buying, even at that price??? Aloha Peter Kona Coffee Rover _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Wed Sep 20 10:40:40 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8KEee105547 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 10:40:40 -0400 Message-ID: From: Matt Wilson To: "Mendo_Recce (E-mail)" Subject: Axles and Sightings Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 07:37:41 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by minbar.fourfold.org id e8KEedb05545 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Thanks every one for your input on my broken axle. 20 points to Bob he was correct it was the right side. I ended up buying both axles from BP. I paid $100 for everything thing gaskets included. The parts arrived at work yesterday. Drove home at 5:00 and started working. I had to take a few brakes a quick soccer game, dinner and the nightly battle over homework. But I was driving around the block by 9:45. Ya gotta love Rusty!! The front u joint on the rear drive shaft has a notice able amount of play. I got an alternative P/N from the Ottawa page this morning "Precision 369". I plan on calling the local NAPA store today and see about buying two. Anyone have advice on this before I start? Any special tricks? Should I buy a whole new drive shaft? Now the Sighting: I flew up to Monterey last Friday in a Cessna 182 While putting the plane away, In the hangar next to us was a series 2 or 2a light green 88" custom plates KIN DO. I have seen it there a bunch of times. Great looking truck. any one on this list? I would like to ask the owner about the insulation in the doors does it really help? Yester day We were cleaning out a bunch of shelf's in the warehouse and I scored about ten square feet of the same insulation. Its about 1" to 1.5" thick foam with foil on one side. I also got a 4 ft wide roll of this Blue rubber with adhesive backing the stuff is made by a company called E.A.R. We use it for sound deadening acoustic boxes should be great for Rusty. and a 4 ft wide roll of ¼" thick Buna n rubber. But the really cool thing, a granite surface plate 18" X 28" X2" O well back to work. Matt Wilson From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Wed Sep 20 11:32:13 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8KFWDL05602 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 11:32:13 -0400 Message-Id: <200009201537.IAA00917@blackie.cruzers.com> Subject: Re: Oppinions needed for my new project... Date: Tue, 19 Sep 00 08:30:03 -0700 x-sender: twakeman@mail.cruzers.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: "mendo rec list" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >I respect Dave's view but tend to agree with Mike on this one. I don't know >what issues there would be with fitting the 110 frame as the bodies are the >same length. Certainly, however, coiling it (with either option) will cost >a lot more money than would simply a new leafer frame, because of the need >for hub-to-hub axle replacements and other suspension and steering parts. >If you do that, I also agree with Mike that a V-8 is called for... While I DO like to see completely stock, factory original Dormobiles I think a properly set up six cylinder or V8 version is more practical for the United States. John's six cylinder Dormie has shown me how much better they perform with just the extra power from the European LR six cylinder. The Starbirds sold their completely original Dormie rather than modify it after they had one too many close calls on the open highway. I converted my nonstock Dormie after one too many close calls on the open highway. While I really like the transformation in performance caused by the extra power I firmly believe that if the conversion is not made well you are much better off not making it inthee first place. An inline six engine conversion is MUCH easier than a V conversion. TeriAnn http://www.overlander.net The world's most complete set of links connecting Rover 4X4 owners with Rover parts, service, accessory & sales companies world wide. From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Wed Sep 20 12:02:55 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8KG2tC05681 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 12:02:55 -0400 From: "Paul Archibald" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 15:58:18 GMT Subject: RE: Oppinions needed for my new project... X-Mailer: DMailWeb Web to Mail Gateway 2.3b, http://netwinsite.com/top_mail.htm Message-id: <39c8de9a.5462.0@jps.net> X-User-Info: 216.49.48.30 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org TeriAnn aid: >"....While I DO like to see completely stock, factory original Dormobiles I >think a properly set up six cylinder or V8 version is more practical for >the United States. ...." 'n Dave G. said: >That's a really great point, Teri Ann. The only Dormie I ever rode in was >Tom Gross' really nice one. That one has a NADA 6 in it (now complete with >Jag dizzy - VROOM! :^). I guess I had kind of a narrow focus on Paul's >question. I was only thinking of the chassis and springs. I think you and >Granny are right. Backed up by my own experiences with the 5-door diesel, I >have to say the LWB LRs, and especially any carrying weight, really need >more guts. My approach will be to fit a 200 Tdi. But I'm obviously nuts, >or I wouldn't have this thing in the first place, right? :^) > >-Dave G. Well.....that's interesting, as I'm thinking of different options for the powerplant, and one of them is that wonderfull diesel that Tim Cooper was talking to me about(forgot the model now, TeriAnn? Mike? Wasn't the one they're retroing into the UPS trucks? According to Tim's description, it sounds wonderfull. Hmmmmmm! Easier(and probably cheaper) to get than the 200Tdi...that one may still be an option for the next evolution of the light brigade in a few years when it gets tired..but that's another story Paul (Me-thinks I may need a second job to cover all this!) From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Wed Sep 20 12:19:16 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8KGJG305710 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 12:19:16 -0400 From: Gbrovers@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 12:14:23 EDT Subject: Re: salisbury design To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac - Post-GM sub 147 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Joe Yes Bill GBR From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Wed Sep 20 11:48:48 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8KFmmO05618 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 11:48:48 -0400 Message-ID: <27805335C7CAD31198E8009027D5EDEE4E8C4C@Rcexs2> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Oppinions needed for my new project... Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 09:46:22 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "....While I DO like to see completely stock, factory original Dormobiles I think a properly set up six cylinder or V8 version is more practical for the United States. ...." That's a really great point, Teri Ann. The only Dormie I ever rode in was Tom Gross' really nice one. That one has a NADA 6 in it (now complete with Jag dizzy - VROOM! :^). I guess I had kind of a narrow focus on Paul's question. I was only thinking of the chassis and springs. I think you and Granny are right. Backed up by my own experiences with the 5-door diesel, I have to say the LWB LRs, and especially any carrying weight, really need more guts. My approach will be to fit a 200 Tdi. But I'm obviously nuts, or I wouldn't have this thing in the first place, right? :^) -Dave G. From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Wed Sep 20 12:10:11 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8KGABJ05691 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 12:10:11 -0400 Message-ID: <27805335C7CAD31198E8009027D5EDEE4E8C4F@Rcexs2> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Oppinions needed for my new project... Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 10:07:42 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "...Wasn't the one they're retroing into the UPS trucks?..." My UPS man is already getting good at identifying which parcels to leave by the garage door and which to carry up to the house. If I start asking to look under the hood of the truck, he might stop delivering altogether! (But I would like to hear more about the diesel, Paul) -Dave G. From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Wed Sep 20 12:25:41 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8KGPff05752 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 12:25:41 -0400 From: Gbrovers@aol.com Message-ID: <80.e2549b.26fa3dec@aol.com> Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 12:21:00 EDT Subject: Re: Oppinions needed for my new project... To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac - Post-GM sub 147 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Granny Get Snark running first. Bill GBR From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Wed Sep 20 12:21:57 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8KGLvS05726 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 12:21:57 -0400 From: "Paul Archibald" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 16:17:20 GMT Subject: Re: GPS deal at Harbor Freight X-Mailer: DMailWeb Web to Mail Gateway 2.3b, http://netwinsite.com/top_mail.htm Message-id: <39c8e310.6211.0@jps.net> X-User-Info: 216.49.48.30 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Peter, I'm trying to get to their web-site to check it out, but it's not working, I'm not familiar with the 300 at all. are you sure that was the name/number? there is a gps 3 that is discontinued..a very good model.(If it's that one I'll jump on it too!) What does it say about it? does it have a removable antennae? map? specs of any kind the only 300 I know of is an older aviation model that was the GNC 300 I think..and there's no way it'd ever go for under 100 clams even with a bullet hole through it...so???? Let me know. I have not gotten the catalogue for a few months for some reason(probably cause I've been buying at their stoe instead of the catatogue recently Paul >Harbor Freight has a special on a Garmin 300 GPS for $89.99. Don't know >nothin' about GPS but this one seems awfully cheap. Is it a good deal or an >obsolete unit that you'd regret buying, even at that price??? > >Aloha >Peter >Kona Coffee Rover > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > > > From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Wed Sep 20 12:12:02 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8KGC2D05701 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 12:12:02 -0400 From: Gbrovers@aol.com Message-ID: <30.a66ccbe.26fa3aae@aol.com> Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 12:07:10 EDT Subject: Re: Salisbury axle To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac - Post-GM sub 147 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Dean Salisbury rear axles were introduced in 1966 or 1967 for the 109 model Land Rovers. They were developed for the military and named after the Salisbury area of England where the military has a large testing area. I think the Dana, who produces them, also has a manufacturing plant close by. They were offered as an option until the Series 3's at which point they became a standard fitment. They also continued thru the 110's to this day and were used on 101's including the front axles. They are for all intents and purposes an Dana 60 diff. They share many similarities to the U.S. versions but there are some important differences. Luckily many of the service parts are the same such as gaskets, seals and bearings. The Land Rover version came as a 4 pinion design and had full floating axles. Other differences were the gear ratios available and the axle shaft diameters. The U.S. versions usually had semi-float axles with larger diameter axles, 2 pinion carriers and a much larger selection of gear ratio's. They are much stronger differential/ axle assembly than the Rover style diffs/axles, which is why the military wanted them. Breaking an axle while recreationally off roading can be inconvienent but obviously breaking one during a war can be life threatening! They have a much stronger ring and pinion gear setup that is a hypoid style and the axles shafts are much larger 32mm/24 spline (not 23 spline)vs 1"/10 spline. In my opinion they are the preferred set up for a 109. They have some minor disadvantages compared to Rover style diffs such as weight and ground clearance but the advantages outweight them by a big margin. Bear in mind you need to shorten the driveshaft about 2 inches to install them in a 109. Other than that they are a complete bolt in. They do not work out so well in 88's. The greater weight becomes more of an issue but the biggest problem is the excessive rear driveshaft angles. There are better ways to upgrade the Rover style rear axles. Contrary to popular belief the axle shafts are not any stronger than the later Rover 24 spline axles introduced on mid 1993 Defender 90's, Discoverys and Range Rovers. In the Series version they suffered from a spline wear problem on the drive flange because the drive flanges were not hardened to a particularly high degree (corrected on the later versions). As noted earlier they use a relatively small diameter axle shaft compared to American stuff and need upgraded to a better material if your taste in 4 wheeling runs to the extreme i.e. large tires, V8 engines, locked diffs and difficult terrain. Bill Great Basin Rovers From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Wed Sep 20 12:46:27 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8KGkRq05792 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 12:46:27 -0400 Message-ID: From: Matt Wilson To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: GPS deal at Harbor Freight Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 09:43:32 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Paul I copied the text from their add. Hope this helps. Matt Wilson Explore new trails, mark your favorite fishing hole and find your way back home. The GPS 300 has enough memory to hold 100 landmarks and mark one route up to 10 legs. AllView 12T technology locks on to 12 satellites for maximum accuracy. Backlit display features 3 user-friendly screens, simple enough for first-time gps users. Light weight (7 oz.) and small size (6-1/4''H x 2''W) makes it ideal for hikers and packers. Waterproof, shockproof. Runs up to 24 hours on 2 AA batteries (not included.) * Manufacturer: Magellan -----Original Message----- From: Paul Archibald [mailto:paarch@jps.net] Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2000 9:17 AM To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: GPS deal at Harbor Freight Peter, I'm trying to get to their web-site to check it out, but it's not working, I'm not familiar with the 300 at all. are you sure that was the name/number? there is a gps 3 that is discontinued..a very good model.(If it's that one I'll jump on it too!) What does it say about it? does it have a removable antennae? map? specs of any kind the only 300 I know of is an older aviation model that was the GNC 300 I think..and there's no way it'd ever go for under 100 clams even with a bullet hole through it...so???? Let me know. I have not gotten the catalogue for a few months for some reason(probably cause I've been buying at their stoe instead of the catatogue recently Paul >Harbor Freight has a special on a Garmin 300 GPS for $89.99. Don't know >nothin' about GPS but this one seems awfully cheap. Is it a good deal or an >obsolete unit that you'd regret buying, even at that price??? > >Aloha >Peter >Kona Coffee Rover > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > > > From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Wed Sep 20 12:44:56 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8KGiuU05785 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 12:44:56 -0400 From: GElam30092@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 12:40:13 EDT Subject: Re: GPS deal at Harbor Freight To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 112 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/taf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=38186 "Explore new trails, mark your favorite fishing hole and find your way back home. The GPS 300 has enough memory to hold 100 landmarks and mark one route up to 10 legs. AllView 12T technology locks on to 12 satellites for maximum accuracy. Backlit display features 3 user-friendly screens, simple enough for first-time gps users. Light weight (7 oz.) and small size (6-1/4''H x 2''W) makes it ideal for hikers and packers. Waterproof, shockproof. Runs up to 24 hours on 2 AA batteries (not included.) Manufacturer: Magellan ITEM 38186-2VGA $89.99" It's your basic, basic GPS. No maps or anything like that. Fair price though for that type of unit. Cheers, Gerry Elam PHX AZ From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Wed Sep 20 12:21:37 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8KGLbl05719 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 12:21:37 -0400 From: Gbrovers@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 12:16:51 EDT Subject: Re: RE: 109 Springs To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac - Post-GM sub 147 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Don't forget my come standard with polybushes Bill GBR From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Wed Sep 20 12:54:42 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8KGsgl05817 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 12:54:42 -0400 From: "Paul Archibald" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 16:50:05 GMT Subject: RE: GPS deal at Harbor Freight X-Mailer: DMailWeb Web to Mail Gateway 2.3b, http://netwinsite.com/top_mail.htm Message-id: <39c8eabd.7c3b.0@jps.net> X-User-Info: 216.49.48.30 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Matt, Gerry, Thanks for the info...looks like I'll stick with the garmin xl45 it does the job...just thought that if it was the gps-3 or the GNC 300 it'd be worth looking at. Peter, It'd do all you need, so you may want to think aboyut it. the permanent antennae means you can't re-locate the ant. on the roof, but so far, I tend to just lean the xl45 against the windshield anyway even though I picked up an antennae extension when I bought a new stock antennae...in a series, just get a mound and mount it up against the window would be fine probably... Paul >Paul I copied the text from their add. Hope this helps. Matt Wilson > >Explore new trails, mark your favorite fishing hole and find your way back home. >The GPS 300 has enough memory to hold 100 landmarks and mark one route up to 10 >legs. AllView 12T technology locks on to 12 satellites for maximum accuracy. > >Backlit display features 3 user-friendly screens, simple enough for first-time >gps users. Light weight (7 oz.) and small size (6-1/4''H x 2''W) makes it ideal >for hikers and packers. Waterproof, shockproof. Runs up to 24 hours on 2 AA >batteries (not included.) >* Manufacturer: Magellan > > > -----Original Message----- >From: Paul Archibald [mailto:paarch@jps.net] >Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2000 9:17 AM >To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Subject: Re: GPS deal at Harbor Freight > >Peter, >I'm trying to get to their web-site to check it out, but it's not working, I'm >not familiar with the 300 at all. are you sure that was the name/number? there >is a gps 3 that is discontinued..a very good model.(If it's that one I'll jump >on it too!) > What does it say about it? does it have a removable antennae? map? specs of >any kind >the only 300 I know of is an older aviation model that was the GNC 300 I >think..and >there's no way it'd ever go for under 100 clams even with a bullet hole through >it...so???? >Let me know. I have not gotten the catalogue for a few months for some >reason(probably >cause I've been buying at their stoe instead of the catatogue recently > >Paul > > > > >>Harbor Freight has a special on a Garmin 300 GPS for $89.99. Don't know >>nothin' about GPS but this one seems awfully cheap. Is it a good deal or an > >>obsolete unit that you'd regret buying, even at that price??? >> >>Aloha >>Peter >>Kona Coffee Rover >> >> >> >>_________________________________________________________________________ >>Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. >> >>Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >>http://profiles.msn.com. >> >> >> > > > From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Wed Sep 20 13:24:49 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8KHOn405864 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 13:24:49 -0400 Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 09:08:19 -0700 (MST) From: James Howard To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Oppinions needed for my new project... In-Reply-To: <27805335C7CAD31198E8009027D5EDEE4E8C4F@Rcexs2> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org My UPS man is currently looking for a Series Land Rover. I guess the disease is more contagious than I thought. On Wed, 20 Sep 2000, Gomes, David wrote: > "...Wasn't the one they're retroing into > the UPS trucks?..." > > My UPS man is already getting good at identifying which parcels to leave by > the garage door and which to carry up to the house. If I start asking to > look under the hood of the truck, he might stop delivering altogether! (But > I would like to hear more about the diesel, Paul) > > -Dave G. > From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Wed Sep 20 13:01:05 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8KH15X05829 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 13:01:05 -0400 From: GElam30092@aol.com Message-ID: <11.961280f.26fa462a@aol.com> Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 12:56:10 EDT Subject: Re: GPS deal at Harbor Freight To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 112 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In a message dated 9/20/00 9:51:59 AM US Mountain Standard Time, paarch@jps.net writes: << you can't re-locate the ant. on the roof, but so far, I tend to just lean the xl45 against the windshield anyway even though I picked up an antennae extension when I bought a new stock antennae...in a series, just get a mound and mount it up against the window would be fine probably... >> I keep mine inside also and have rarely had a problem with reception. The only vehicle that ever gave it heartburn was a RR with a heated windshield. It just couldn't *see* the sky with that windshield! Cheers, Gerry From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Wed Sep 20 13:42:56 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8KHguO05879 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 13:42:56 -0400 Message-ID: <27805335C7CAD31198E8009027D5EDEE4E8C55@Rcexs2> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Oppinions needed for my new project... Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 11:40:30 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org ".....My UPS man is currently looking for a Series Land Rover. I guess the > disease is more contagious than I thought...." > Either that or he sees an endless supply of parts in "shipping losses" :^) -Dave G. From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Wed Sep 20 14:14:25 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8KIEPp05912 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 14:14:25 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000920110850.00981e40@mail.saber.net> X-Sender: bobnsueb@mail.saber.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 11:08:50 -0700 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Bob & Sue Bernard Subject: Re: GPS deal at Harbor Freight In-Reply-To: <39c8e310.6211.0@jps.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Everyone, The Magellan 300 sucks. It only has one internal channel and works poorly. It barely worked. I tried one and luckily it came from Kmart for return policy. I took it back and waited for the 315 to go on sale somewhere so I could take the ad into kmart for a pricematch. Fry's had it a week later,So I took their ad into local KMART and bought one. The 315 has 12 parallel chanels and works great for a beginner. Bob B At 04:17 PM 9/20/2000 GMT, you wrote: >Peter, >I'm trying to get to their web-site to check it out, but it's not working, I'm >not familiar with the 300 at all. are you sure that was the name/number? there >is a gps 3 that is discontinued..a very good model.(If it's that one I'll jump >on it too!) > What does it say about it? does it have a removable antennae? map? specs of >any kind >the only 300 I know of is an older aviation model that was the GNC 300 I think..and >there's no way it'd ever go for under 100 clams even with a bullet hole through >it...so???? >Let me know. I have not gotten the catalogue for a few months for some reason(probably >cause I've been buying at their stoe instead of the catatogue recently > >Paul > > > > >>Harbor Freight has a special on a Garmin 300 GPS for $89.99. Don't know >>nothin' about GPS but this one seems awfully cheap. Is it a good deal or an > >>obsolete unit that you'd regret buying, even at that price??? >> >>Aloha >>Peter >>Kona Coffee Rover >> >> >> >>_________________________________________________________________________ >>Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. >> >>Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >>http://profiles.msn.com. >> >> >> > From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Wed Sep 20 15:16:11 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8KJGBk05958 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 15:16:11 -0400 From: "Paul Archibald" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 19:11:34 GMT Subject: Danial, e-mail me, I don't have your e-mail at work X-Mailer: DMailWeb Web to Mail Gateway 2.3b, http://netwinsite.com/top_mail.htm Message-id: <39c90be6.5954.0@jps.net> X-User-Info: 216.49.48.30 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I accidently got some interested buyers for the p-up tops! Paul From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Wed Sep 20 15:36:54 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8KJasv05980 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 15:36:54 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.32.20000920122918.007ec7f0@shell14.ba.best.com> X-Sender: daniel5@shell14.ba.best.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 12:29:21 -0700 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Daniel Oppenheim Subject: Salisbury axle for sale Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In preparation for the fleet coming home, I'm doing a mini garage sale. I have a brand new Salisbury axle, brake drum to brake drum, for sale. I was going to put it in my 109, but couldn't find it the other day when I was looking for it. Then I remembered I sold Savanna to a chap in Rio Vista, hence no need for it. I'd like to get one hundred million dollars for it(or billion, which ever is larger) I'll end up selling it for the most reasonable offer. I'd rather not go the eBay route cause someone locally will benefit from it without the hassle of shipping. You can e-mail off line at daniel5@best.com. happy axeling, Daniel At 12:07 PM 09/20/2000 EDT, you wrote: >Dean > Salisbury rear axles were introduced in 1966 or 1967 for the 109 model >Land Rovers. They were developed for the military and named after the >Salisbury area of England where the military has a large testing area. I >think the Dana, who produces them, also has a manufacturing plant close by. >They were offered as an option until the Series 3's at which point they >became a standard fitment. They also continued thru the 110's to this day and >were used on 101's including the front axles. > They are for all intents and purposes an Dana 60 diff. They share many >similarities to the U.S. versions but there are some important differences. >Luckily many of the service parts are the same such as gaskets, seals and >bearings. The Land Rover version came as a 4 pinion design and had full >floating axles. Other differences were the gear ratios available and the axle >shaft diameters. The U.S. versions usually had semi-float axles with larger >diameter axles, 2 pinion carriers and a much larger selection of gear >ratio's. > They are much stronger differential/ axle assembly than the Rover style >diffs/axles, which is why the military wanted them. Breaking an axle while >recreationally off roading can be inconvienent but obviously breaking one >during a war can be life threatening! They have a much stronger ring and >pinion gear setup that is a hypoid style and the axles shafts are much larger >32mm/24 spline (not 23 spline)vs 1"/10 spline. > In my opinion they are the preferred set up for a 109. They have some >minor disadvantages compared to Rover style diffs such as weight and ground >clearance but the advantages outweight them by a big margin. Bear in mind you >need to shorten the driveshaft about 2 inches to install them in a 109. Other >than that they are a complete bolt in. > They do not work out so well in 88's. The greater weight becomes more of >an issue but the biggest problem is the excessive rear driveshaft angles. >There are better ways to upgrade the Rover style rear axles. > Contrary to popular belief the axle shafts are not any stronger than the >later Rover 24 spline axles introduced on mid 1993 Defender 90's, Discoverys >and Range Rovers. In the Series version they suffered from a spline wear >problem on the drive flange because the drive flanges were not hardened to a >particularly high degree (corrected on the later versions). As noted earlier >they use a relatively small diameter axle shaft compared to American stuff >and need upgraded to a better material if your taste in 4 wheeling runs to >the extreme i.e. large tires, V8 engines, locked diffs and difficult terrain. > >Bill >Great Basin Rovers > > From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Wed Sep 20 18:22:47 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8KMMl806643 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 18:22:47 -0400 Message-ID: <20000920221813.106.qmail@aw164.netaddress.usa.net> Date: 20 Sep 00 18:18:13 EDT From: Casey McMullen To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: NCRC Fall Colors Trip X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (34FM.0700.4.03) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by minbar.fourfold.org id e8KMMkb06641 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Anyone leaving on Friday with a series rig and wants to convoy? I want to camp somewhere near the rendezvous point and would be leaving from Mountain View anytime Friday afternoon. Looks like the weather might turn out well. Casey Jeff Rogers wrote: > Hello All: > > Just a quick reminder that the NCRC Fall Colors trip is this weekend. Here's > the basic information. Please contact me directly if you have questions or > would like further information. Hope to see you there... > > When: September 23-24 > Where: Sonora Pass / Western Nevada Desert > Who: Suitable for all vehicles > > Summary: On this expedition-style event we will experience the season from > both the Nevada desert and the high Sierras. On Saturday we'll explore the > area around two ghost towns in the western Nevada desert - Pine Grove and > Rockland. This area has many easy-to-moderate trails suitable for all vehicles > and driving levels. And there are some interesting remnants from > turn-of-the-century mining operations. We'll take in the terrain, vegetation > and wildlife. On Sunday, we'll head west over the Sonora Pass stopping to > enjoy the scenery and run some trails. Sunday's route will be determined by > the number of vehicles and time available. > > Rendezvous: Saturday 10am, @ the HWY 108/395 intersection (east side of the > Sonora pass). For those that want to head up on Friday (not a bad idea) there > are plenty of great camp spots through the pass. > > -->Jeff > jrogers@sfo.com > 408.823.4840 (cell) > ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.amexmail.com/?A=1 From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Wed Sep 20 18:02:08 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8KM28806622 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 18:02:08 -0400 Message-ID: <20000920215725.20506.qmail@web218.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 14:57:25 -0700 (PDT) From: joe mulqueen Subject: Re: NCRC Fall Colors Trip To: mendo MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Is #1 permitted for a NCRC expedition leader? JFM ! Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 15:54:01 -0800 From: Jeff Rogers Subject: Re: NCRC Fall Colors Trip Two additional pieces of information: 1) I will be in a gray Chevy Tahoe at the rendezvous point 2) Additional information can be downloaded at: ftp://bigmac.thecdworks.com/public/ncrc_fall_colors_00.pdf __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Wed Sep 20 21:45:28 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8L1jSL07079 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 21:45:28 -0400 Message-ID: <39C963CF.2B26AE53@thelen.org> Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 18:26:55 -0700 From: Leslie Dow Organization: Mine, Not Yours a wholly owned subsidiary of killerdroids.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "mendo_recce@moab.off-road.com" Subject: Chris is getting older.... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Well at least its better than the alternative....Anyway to celebrate his progressive aging we are having a party. And so we have a party website with an invitation just for you! http://www.killerdroids.com/BdayPty/ Hope to see you there! leslie From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Thu Sep 21 02:48:39 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8L6mdl08138 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 02:48:39 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: rlarson@mail.dsldesigns.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20000920221813.106.qmail@aw164.netaddress.usa.net> References: <20000920221813.106.qmail@aw164.netaddress.usa.net> Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 23:12:50 -0700 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Rick Larson Subject: PNWTCC damages and Spring Moab trip Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Turns out that most of the problems I was experiencing were due to a bad optima battery. My D90 only started one more time after I had taken it off the trailer. A couple weeks later when I got around to examining it I found a batter voltage of 3.6ish volts. One of my optimas had corroded and there were some signs of leakage. (They have experienced extreme use for 5 years now, so I don't think this is a quality of product issue.) Anyway, I put two new ones in. The check engine light no longer goes on, the engine doesn't stall, it runs smooth again, I suspect the winch would now pull..... New shock mount fixed that "minor" problem. I've got a new radiator overflow tank ready to install this weekend. New wheels and tires have nearly fixed the vibration problems I was having. It is hard to balance 35"+ tires and I think I may need to rotate and/or return to the dealer once more. Now if I can just get out of work for a day and see how they work off-road. Anyway, enough with past issues. Concerning the NCRC spring 2001 Moab trip. I just talked to Dan Mick (our guide) again last week. He'll be booking trips for next year in Jan. 2000. He doesn't expect any problems getting ours into his schedule. More details as soon as I get them......... -Rick -Rick Rick Larson rlarson@dsldesigns.com From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Thu Sep 21 09:42:47 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8LDglG08502 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 09:42:47 -0400 X-Originating-IP: [24.1.75.134] From: "Fil F." To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: PNWTCC damages and Spring Moab trip Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 21:38:11 PHT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Sep 2000 13:38:11.0294 (UTC) FILETIME=[2F2C3FE0:01C023D1] Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org hi rick, is there a specific date for this trip , the schedule on the club calendar says last week of may or first week of june thanks, fil >From: Rick Larson > >Anyway, enough with past issues. Concerning the NCRC spring 2001 >Moab trip. I just talked to Dan Mick (our guide) again last week. >He'll be booking trips for next year in Jan. 2000. He doesn't >expect any problems getting ours into his schedule. More details as >soon as I get them......... > > >-Rick > > > >-Rick > >Rick Larson >rlarson@dsldesigns.com _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Thu Sep 21 10:09:18 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8LE9IV08547 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 10:09:18 -0400 Message-ID: <27805335C7CAD31198E8009027D5EDEE4E8C5D@Rcexs2> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Chris is getting older.... Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 08:07:01 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Happy b-day Chris. Promise not to spend it like that guy on "Survivor"! Somebody have a beer for me.....34 today (fully clothed). I'll even contribute a pic: http://www.d-90.com/trail/mendo00/images/21.JPG -Dave G. From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Thu Sep 21 12:30:57 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8LGUvt08663 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 12:30:57 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000921092534.008145a0@mail.saber.net> X-Sender: bobnsueb@mail.saber.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 09:25:34 -0700 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Bob & Sue Bernard Subject: brake master cyl swap Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi, I know several series owners have swapped the CB (Charley Brown) master cyl for a CV type. I never got to the point where I thought it was necessary. BUT now I'm tired of the CB on Olivia and plan to swap it. I vaguely remember the discussion (maybe on LRO) that a spacer is needed. Anyone have more details? Thanks, Bob B From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Thu Sep 21 14:06:44 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8LI6i308784 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 14:06:44 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000921110119.0080e240@mail.saber.net> X-Sender: bobnsueb@mail.saber.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 11:01:19 -0700 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Bob & Sue Bernard Subject: RE: brake master cyl swap In-Reply-To: <27805335C7CAD31198E8009027D5EDEE4E8C6D@Rcexs2> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org At 11:15 AM 9/21/2000 -0600, you wrote: >Do you have a parts manual, Bob? I'd start there. They should have pix of >both systems. I don't remember though. Have to check when I get home. I >could fax you the lists, but I'll be out till next week. One of your locals >might help. > >-Dave G. Yes I do have the parts catalog. So far I see the spacer mentioned and a P/N, but it's not in the picture. It looks like I need the 67-68 CV single circuit, and I have one that I will dismantle to see if it is rebuildable. Or I may buy one from BP. But I don't know how thick the spacer is, and haven't talked to BP to see if they sell it. thanks, Bob B From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Thu Sep 21 13:17:39 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8LHHd808708 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 13:17:39 -0400 Message-ID: <27805335C7CAD31198E8009027D5EDEE4E8C6D@Rcexs2> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: brake master cyl swap Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 11:15:15 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Do you have a parts manual, Bob? I'd start there. They should have pix of both systems. I don't remember though. Have to check when I get home. I could fax you the lists, but I'll be out till next week. One of your locals might help. -Dave G. From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Thu Sep 21 15:54:40 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8LJsei08874 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 15:54:40 -0400 Message-ID: <27805335C7CAD31198E8009027D5EDEE4E8C84@Rcexs2> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: brake master cyl swap Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 13:52:18 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I have the single circuit CV, no power assist, in my 109. The spacer is about "six pennies" thick (only thing I have handy to visualize right now!) Mine is back on the truck now, but I might have........nope, the pix are gone to scattered 1's and 0's......sorry. But the outline of the spacer is the same as the outline of the MC, and it has 3 round holes, one centered for the MC body, and one in each "ear" for the mounting bolts. The hole in the center for the MC body leaves the wall of the spacer about 1/8" thick at it's thinnest point. I think my spacer was aluminum. It sure was light. I bet you could make one easy enough with some drills, hacksaw, file, and a piece of plate. -Dave G. From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Thu Sep 21 16:04:27 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8LK4Rc08914 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 16:04:27 -0400 Message-ID: <27805335C7CAD31198E8009027D5EDEE4E8C85@Rcexs2> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: brake master cyl swap Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 14:02:11 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Oh, and here's one more thing, Bob. I had a dandy of a time convincing anyone here in the states that I had a CV master cylinder that was single circuit and no power assist. I think this version got skipped on the US 109s and they went straight from CB to dual circuit power assist. My Costa Rican Wonder has lots of these "special" things. :^) When it comes time to get a kit, you might want to call Ray at Wise Owl. He'll probably still remember the debacle of trying to get me the right kit, and be able to ship you the right one straight away. If you have the same CV MC I do, it looks identical to the clutch master, only bigger in each dimension. Wish I hadn't trashed those pix....maybe I'll search again. -Dave G. From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Thu Sep 21 16:25:55 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8LKPt608964 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 16:25:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: sp2n21-t.missouri.edu: ccray owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 15:20:23 -0500 (CDT) From: Ray Harder X-Sender: ccray@sp2n21-t.missouri.edu To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: brake master cyl swap In-Reply-To: <27805335C7CAD31198E8009027D5EDEE4E8C84@Rcexs2> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org On Thu, 21 Sep 2000, Gomes, David wrote: > it's thinnest point. I think my spacer was aluminum. It sure was light. I > bet you could make one easy enough with some drills, hacksaw, file, and a > piece of plate. > this might be the excuse you need to acquire the bridgeport... Sincerely, Ray Harder From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Thu Sep 21 16:32:24 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8LKWOE08984 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 16:32:24 -0400 Message-ID: <27805335C7CAD31198E8009027D5EDEE4E8C87@Rcexs2> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: brake master cyl swap Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 14:30:08 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "...this might be the excuse you need to acquire the bridgeport......" Oh if only.... You bring up a good point, though. I might have some machining jobs lined up for the lathe that could turn me a grand or so.....Might be the thing to do to put it into more tools! I was going to buy a hinged radius arm for the Disco, but if I bought an old bridgeport, I could make my own....... Got any lines on a cheap old beater? -Dave G. From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Thu Sep 21 17:21:10 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8LLLAQ09026 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 17:21:10 -0400 Message-ID: <20000921211622.18184.qmail@web209.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 14:16:22 -0700 (PDT) From: joe mulqueen To: caseymcm@usa.net, mendo MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Casey, I'll be leaving from the San Jose area Friday morning. I'd like to camp Friday night somewhere +/- from Kennedy Meadows. Do you know the area? I don't...... Joe Mulqueen '67 SIIA 109 SW 408-348-3688 Date: 20 Sep 00 18:18:13 EDT From: Casey McMullen Subject: Re: NCRC Fall Colors Trip Anyone leaving on Friday with a series rig and wants to convoy? I want to camp somewhere near the rendezvous point and would be leaving from Mountain View anytime Friday afternoon. Looks like the weather might turn out well. Casey __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Thu Sep 21 18:06:02 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8LM62d09074 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 18:06:02 -0400 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 15:04:48 -0800 Subject: Re: NCRC Fall Colors Trip From: Jeff Rogers To: Mendo Recce List Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Ok, one last post... Here's the basic information for this weekend's trip. Please contact me directly if you have questions or would like further information. Hope to see you there... When: September 23-24 Where: Sonora Pass / Western Nevada Desert Who: Suitable for all vehicles Summary: On this expedition-style event we will experience the season from both the Nevada desert and the high Sierras. On Saturday we'll explore the area around two ghost towns in the western Nevada desert - Pine Grove and Rockland. This area has many easy-to-moderate trails suitable for all vehicles and driving levels. And there are some interesting remnants from turn-of-the-century mining operations. We'll take in the terrain, vegetation and wildlife. On Sunday, we'll head west over the Sonora Pass stopping to enjoy the scenery and run some trails. Sunday's route will be determined by the number of vehicles and time available. Rendezvous: Saturday 10am, @ the HWY 108/395 intersection (east side of the Sonora pass). I will be in a gray Chevy Tahoe. For those that want to head up on Friday (not a bad idea) there are plenty of great camp spots through the pass. Additional information can be downloaded at: ftp://bigmac.thecdworks.com/public/ncrc_fall_colors_00.pdf ALSO, PLEASE LET ME KNOW IF YOU PLAN TO ATTEND THIS EVENT. I WOULD LIKE TO BE SURE EVERYONE IS ACCOUNTED FOR BEFORE DEPARTING FOR THE TRAIL ON SATURDAY. -->Jeff jrogers@sfo.com 408.823.4840 (cell) From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Thu Sep 21 18:11:23 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8LMBNh09095 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 18:11:23 -0400 Message-ID: <20000921220642.25103.qmail@web205.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 15:06:42 -0700 (PDT) From: joe mulqueen Subject: universal tank sender To: rovers@together.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hello RN, What is the correct positioning of the universal "all makes" neg ground sender you sent me a while back? I try with it pointing to the left side of truck and then toward the right side and it gets either hung up on a baffle when the tank is full, or, hung up on a different baffle when the tank is near empty. Is there also an exact length that is optimal? It's frustrating thinking what others have gone through to get this right... Thanks! Joe Mulqueen '67 SIIA 109 Station Wagon __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Thu Sep 21 18:45:23 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8LMjNK09153 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 18:45:23 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000921153954.007b2100@mail.saber.net> X-Sender: bobnsueb@mail.saber.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 15:39:54 -0700 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Bob & Sue Bernard Subject: RE: brake master cyl swap In-Reply-To: <27805335C7CAD31198E8009027D5EDEE4E8C84@Rcexs2> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi Dave, I am wondering about the reason for the dang spacer anyhow! Is the rod too long or something? When I put Stubby together back to Land-Rover from previous owners partial conversion to a Volvo engine, I needed the spacer for the clutch slave when using the larger clutch. I went to a muffler shop and got a VW exhaust flange which was perfect and also was about 1/4" as called for. I would get a similar flange for this thing if I need one. Does your single circuit CV cyl point back toward the cowl or toward the front? The rebuild kit is listed the same part number as the clutch. So I already have a kit. It seems the clutch and single cylinder brake master cylinders are the same part number also. One difference being the first negative ground trucks 67-68 have this single circuit master with the external can type reservoir. The 69 up with dual circuit has the plastic reservior and the clutch for them has it own built in reservior. I have a complete spare pedal tower for a 70-88 that had a vacuum leak in the booster. If it didn't leak, I might put it on. Thanks, Bob B At 01:52 PM 9/21/2000 -0600, you wrote: >I have the single circuit CV, no power assist, in my 109. The spacer is >about "six pennies" thick (only thing I have handy to visualize right now!) >Mine is back on the truck now, but I might have........nope, the pix are >gone to scattered 1's and 0's......sorry. But the outline of the spacer is >the same as the outline of the MC, and it has 3 round holes, one centered >for the MC body, and one in each "ear" for the mounting bolts. The hole in >the center for the MC body leaves the wall of the spacer about 1/8" thick at >it's thinnest point. I think my spacer was aluminum. It sure was light. I >bet you could make one easy enough with some drills, hacksaw, file, and a >piece of plate. > >-Dave G. > > From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Thu Sep 21 22:18:34 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8M2IYk09382 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 22:18:34 -0400 Message-ID: <39CABECB.9FD030D4@slip.net> Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 19:07:07 -0700 From: Jeremy Bartlett X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: NCRC Fall Colors Trip References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Jeff Rogers wrote: > Hope to see you there... I'm afraid I can't make it (have to work this Sat. :( ). I'd be interested in any tulip diagrams though. Jeremy From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Thu Sep 21 22:55:23 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8M2tNZ09422 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 22:55:23 -0400 Message-ID: <39CAC76C.809BE941@slip.net> Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 19:43:56 -0700 From: Jeremy Bartlett X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mendo recce Subject: NCRC Rally Nov. 4/5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Just a reminder (registration mailings go out soon) that the NCRC rally (aka Mendocino Tulip Festival) will be occurring on Nov. 4/5. The course should be fun with some new trails (probably some that many of us have never run) and approaches. A pot luck dinner is planned for camp on the 4th. Prizes are likely to be comparable to last year's but with the reigning champions helping to run the gig this year the field is wide open. Brush up on your TSD work and navigation and get ready to join us. Anticipate TSD, 4WD orienteering, and some unusual special tasks, all well within the capabilities of a stock Disco/109 but mentally challenging to all. Jeremy From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Thu Sep 21 23:58:40 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8M3weq09501 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 23:58:40 -0400 Message-ID: <090801c02436$58e7e400$cb4b0740@baggarly.com> From: "Nick C. Baggarly" To: References: <20000921220642.25103.qmail@web205.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: universal tank sender Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 20:42:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Joe, The sender should come with instructions to measure the depth of the tank and then you calculate something. I don't remember what they are. Call BP and have them open one up. Nick ----- Original Message ----- From: joe mulqueen To: Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2000 5:06 PM Subject: universal tank sender > Hello RN, > What is the correct positioning of the universal "all > makes" neg ground sender you sent me a while back? I > try with it pointing to the left side of truck and > then toward the right side and it gets either hung up > on a baffle when the tank is full, or, hung up on a > different baffle when the tank is near empty. Is > there also an exact length that is optimal? It's > frustrating thinking what others have gone through to > get this right... > Thanks! > Joe Mulqueen > '67 SIIA 109 Station Wagon > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com/ > From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Fri Sep 22 00:47:56 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8M4luW10315 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 00:47:56 -0400 From: "Kelly Minnick" To: Subject: RE: brake master cyl swap Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 21:51:46 -0700 Message-ID: <000501c02450$cf97f580$1705193f@minnick> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <27805335C7CAD31198E8009027D5EDEE4E8C87@Rcexs2> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Helped a friend move one this week-end. $950 and it was a real Bridgeport, not a copy...! Kelly Minnick > > > "...this might be the excuse you need to acquire the bridgeport......" > > Oh if only.... > You bring up a good point, though. I might have some machining jobs lined > up for the lathe that could turn me a grand or so.....Might be > the thing to > do to put it into more tools! I was going to buy a hinged radius arm for > the Disco, but if I bought an old bridgeport, I could make my own....... > > Got any lines on a cheap old beater? > > -Dave G. > > From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Fri Sep 22 00:49:18 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8M4nIG10323 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 00:49:18 -0400 From: "Kelly Minnick" To: Subject: RE: Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 21:53:09 -0700 Message-ID: <000601c02451$00d53ea0$1705193f@minnick> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <20000921211622.18184.qmail@web209.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org That's not the Kennedy Meadows out here by me, is it? Kelly Minnick > > > Casey, > I'll be leaving from the San Jose area Friday morning. > I'd like to camp Friday night somewhere +/- from > Kennedy Meadows. Do you know the area? I don't...... > Joe Mulqueen > '67 SIIA 109 SW > 408-348-3688 > > Date: 20 Sep 00 18:18:13 EDT > From: Casey McMullen > Subject: Re: NCRC Fall Colors Trip > > Anyone leaving on Friday with a series rig and wants > to convoy? I want > to > camp somewhere near the rendezvous point and would be > leaving from > Mountain > View anytime Friday afternoon. Looks like the weather > might turn out > well. > > Casey > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com/ > From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Fri Sep 22 04:58:44 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8M8wiJ10513 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 04:58:44 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mewgull@popd.ix.netcom.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000601c02451$00d53ea0$1705193f@minnick> References: <000601c02451$00d53ea0$1705193f@minnick> Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 01:54:33 -0700 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: "G. Mugele" Subject: Kennedy Meadows Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Kelley asks: >That's not the Kennedy Meadows out here by me, is it? > Nope, this is off the south side of Highway 108 just a bit east of Sonora Pass. 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Help others give themselves a 40-50% pay raise without working any extra hours, taking on a part time job,or working a home based business! for more info reply to: mailto:ddkp@iwon.com?subject=more_information with the following information, NAME: EMAIL ADDRESS: PHONE: (REQUIRED) BEST TIME TO CALL: //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// Please remove at: mailto:qax92@fastermail.com?subject=remove //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Mon Sep 25 11:32:37 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8PFWbv17253 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 11:32:37 -0400 Message-id: <1000925082743.45c5f0f.3f8c6a02.ASIP6.2b6.193605@smtp.pvr.com> Subject: Sighting Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 08:27:50 -0700 x-sender: frey@smtp.pvr.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0v3, January 22, 1998 From: Bob Frey To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org 6:15 this AM, Bay Bridge toll plaza.... didn't get much of a look but the Series IIA I saw bore a very striking resemblance to Kermit! Anyone on the list? BTW, the list has been very quiet since Friday... no traffic at all on this end. Is it me or is the Major on sabbatical... Bob Frey From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Mon Sep 25 11:45:32 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8PFjWg17272 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 11:45:32 -0400 Message-ID: <20000925154052.11745.qmail@localhost> Date: 25 Sep 00 09:40:52 MDT From: jjp4 To: Subject: Free 109 frame X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (34FM.0700.4.03) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by moab.off-road.com id IAA12163 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Bill in Crockett (?) still has the 109 frame and it is free to anyone with a good home. Joe ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Mon Sep 25 12:41:36 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8PGfaB17347 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 12:41:36 -0400 From: "Paul Archibald" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 16:37:07 GMT Subject: Re: Sighting.......and The African Lives!!!!!!!!!!!! X-Mailer: DMailWeb Web to Mail Gateway 2.3b, http://netwinsite.com/top_mail.htm Message-id: <39cf7f33.6104.0@jps.net> X-User-Info: 216.49.48.30 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Bob Frey said: >BTW, the list has been very quiet since Friday... no traffic at all on >this end. Is it me or is the Major on sabbatical... No Bob... It's just people just aren't talking rogers anymore! ;-( Me? I was wrenching on The African both days. I still can't figure out the little electrical issues it has. The starter spins but doesn't engage the flywheel. I took it out and tested it, lubed up the bendix assy and confirmed that it was working properly but on re-install still not engaging! wondering if i should have cleaned up the brushes(or replaced them?) while it was out... I shouldn't have given away my re-built starter just cause I didn't ahve a current need for a rover one when I did! ;-( the key is off, but there's still 12v to the coil!! THe origional coil is pretty week, so I temporarilly hooked up the MSD coil from Elgie and it fired up with a few turns of the hand-crank...idled but died on reving....needs to be tuned up over the next few days.....shoulda kept the spare key switch assy too! Anyone have an extra muffler laying around? the old one is shot to hell!....and of course as usual I had given my spare away! ;-( The Jet in the rottenchester had been soldered up and drilled out, so I don't know what size it really is. The range was around 48-51 right? The light Brigade is sporting it's new winch that I finegled, and Elgies Warn 8274 is in as many little pieces as possible...It's a-gonna be a costly re-build both top and bottom housings are cracked! ;-( Typical Paul move! Buy it cheap broken in pieces and end up paying more than it'd cost new to get it up-n-running!...you'd think I'd learn...it's gonna sit there for a few months! There are other Rover commitments of more importance... Paul Some people have lives on the week-end.....I ahve land-rovers! ;-) From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Mon Sep 25 12:44:52 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8PGiqI17373 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 12:44:52 -0400 From: "Paul Archibald" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 16:40:27 GMT Subject: Re: Free 109 frame X-Mailer: DMailWeb Web to Mail Gateway 2.3b, http://netwinsite.com/top_mail.htm Message-id: <39cf7ffb.63ed.0@jps.net> X-User-Info: 216.49.48.30 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Bill in Crockett (?) still has the 109 frame and it is free to anyone with a >good home. > >Joe Really? do you have his #? I got it the other day from Medhi, but lost it! I'm really hurting for a frame for the new dormobile project as the frame is toast! I was going to call and get it this week-end but couldn't! \;-( Paul Frameless.... From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Mon Sep 25 13:16:42 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8PHGgl17465 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 13:16:42 -0400 From: GElam30092@aol.com Message-ID: <73.7108072.2700e168@aol.com> Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 13:12:08 EDT Subject: Discovery: anti-lock light....... To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 112 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org The anti-lock warning light on the '95 Discovery doesn't turn itself off after the normal, brief test period. The workshop manual seems to indicate that the only way to find the fault is to use the Testbook. Any other $ugge$tion$ before I vi$it one of the dealer$? I $u$pect it'$ on of the $en$or$ but how do you narrow it down w/o a te$tbook? Thanks..... Gerry PHX AZ From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Mon Sep 25 13:45:42 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8PHjg417509 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 13:45:42 -0400 Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 10:40:22 -0700 (MST) From: James Howard To: Mendo list Subject: Engine stuff Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Looked at the valves this weekend on our 89 RR. The intakes had big gobs of sludge on them - I bet that was the main reason power was down at high rpms. BP sent us the wrong valve stem seals. Took an old one down to CarQuest and they found that Buick ones were dimensionally the same. I have my father visiting and helping me put this things back together. We took the starter out since it is so accessible right now, and took it apart. The brushes were almost at the new length, and the bearings have acceptible play in them. I was surprised, because I thought the starter was as old as the Rover (220,000 miles). The date on it was 04/89, and our build date is 01/89. Perhaps the 04 is a week number. Anyway, it has at least 100,000 miles on it. I was amazed at how light it was, but then found that it is a gear reduction starter. James From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Mon Sep 25 15:19:12 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8PJJCX17677 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 15:19:12 -0400 From: "Paul Archibald" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 19:14:47 GMT Subject: Re: [Re: Free 109 frame] X-Mailer: DMailWeb Web to Mail Gateway 2.3b, http://netwinsite.com/top_mail.htm Message-id: <39cfa427.695e.0@jps.net> X-User-Info: 216.49.48.30 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Hello Paul > >I have his number at home. I get home around 4:30 so I will e-mail it to you >after that. You are a good man saving a frame from an ugly death. well I'm apparently getting a reputation for doing those things according to TeriAnn. ;-) ...after all I want to merge it with a '63 dormobile that I am saving from an equally ugly death as well. ..by the way, thanks for the offer for his #, but Bob B. chimed in with it and I have left Bill a message to call me about it. Paul > >Joe > >"Paul Archibald" wrote: >> >Bill in Crockett (?) still has the 109 frame and it is free to anyone with >a >> >> >good home. >> > >> >Joe >> Really? do you have his #? I got it the other day from Medhi, but lost it! >> I'm really hurting for a frame for the new dormobile project as the frame >is >> toast! I was going to call and get it this week-end but couldn't! \;-( >> >> Paul >> Frameless.... > > >____________________________________________________________________ >Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 > > From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Mon Sep 25 15:17:51 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8PJHpF17669 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 15:17:51 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.32.20000925120920.008079c0@shell14.ba.best.com> X-Sender: daniel5@shell14.ba.best.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 12:09:22 -0700 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Daniel Oppenheim Subject: 88" rolling chassis for sale Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I've decided to keep Jac (RHD 88" PU) and so I won't be needing the 88" frame I painstakingly stripped, cleaned, primed and painted. I'd like to sell the complete front end, rear end and frame as a unit for $2000. I'm open to breaking the pieces apart however. The transmission cross piece either need a bit of welding, or replacing with the cross member which can be removed for easy access to the tranny. These are available from Marsland frames for the price of 35 pounds (about $60.) Cheers, Daniel From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Mon Sep 25 15:12:39 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8PJCds17656 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 15:12:39 -0400 Message-ID: <20000925190812.11700.qmail@nw176.netaddress.usa.net> Date: 25 Sep 00 13:08:12 MDT From: jjp4 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: [Re: Free 109 frame] X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (34FM.0700.4.03) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by minbar.fourfold.org id e8PJCdb17654 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hello Paul I have his number at home. I get home around 4:30 so I will e-mail it to you after that. You are a good man saving a frame from an ugly death. Joe "Paul Archibald" wrote: > >Bill in Crockett (?) still has the 109 frame and it is free to anyone with a > > >good home. > > > >Joe > Really? do you have his #? I got it the other day from Medhi, but lost it! > I'm really hurting for a frame for the new dormobile project as the frame is > toast! I was going to call and get it this week-end but couldn't! \;-( > > Paul > Frameless.... ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Mon Sep 25 19:12:36 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8PNCac17980 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 19:12:36 -0400 Message-Id: <200009252305.QAA03364@blackie.cruzers.com> Subject: yard sale this weekend Date: Tue, 12 Sep 00 16:10:44 -0700 x-sender: twakeman@mail.cruzers.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: "mendo rec list" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Well my landloard is having a yard sale at my place this weekend so I guess I'm going to be offering some stuff. Of possible interest to mendoites: - Husky 61 chain saw - Coverall Europe tent (Fits on the back of a LR like the Carannex tent but wide enugh for Discos & Range Rovers) - Pair of genuine Lucas rectangular fog lamps from the seventies - A very well made back pack & frame - Propane lantern - Ice chest - plastic camping dishes - Series II (maybe IIA I forgot how to tell them appart) water pump - Misc Land Rover bits - Two person pup tent (Nylon with aluminum rods - Aluminum rods for awning shelters - old style Svea 123 stove - Misc camping gear - Misc odds & ends including antique Aladin kerosene lamps, early fifties Sunbeam mixer, including the Sunbeam butter churn attachment. If you are interested in something & need direction, e-mail me. TeriAnn http://www.overlander.net The world's most complete set of links connecting Rover 4X4 owners with Rover parts, service, accessory & sales companies world wide. From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Mon Sep 25 23:10:09 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8Q3A9L18310 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 23:10:09 -0400 Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 20:05:05 -0700 (MST) From: James Howard To: Mendo list Subject: Head bolts Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org On the 3.9 engine, is the reasoning for leaving the lower row of head bolts out because it lets the head gasket leak on the valley side? Or does it leak on the valley side because there is no bolt there to help seal it? I am wondering because ours was leaking on the valley side. From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Tue Sep 26 15:17:03 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8QJH3S19893 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 15:17:03 -0400 From: "Blair Peterson" To: "Mendo" Subject: San Diego area Rover mechanics Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 12:23:51 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Anyone know of a series-inclined mechanic in the SD area? Heard of a guy named Behr? A friend is looking at a Rover down there and may need a local mechanic. Thanks. From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Tue Sep 26 15:47:50 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8QJlo419928 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 15:47:50 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.32.20000926123950.007f6ae0@shell14.ba.best.com> X-Sender: daniel5@shell14.ba.best.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 12:39:55 -0700 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Daniel Oppenheim Subject: Re: San Diego area Rover mechanics Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Behr was referred to me by Tom Serles, PO of Kermit. He installed the OD on Kermit, did a great job. I'd go with him. Daniel At 12:23 PM 09/26/2000 -0700, you wrote: >Anyone know of a series-inclined mechanic in the SD area? Heard of a guy >named Behr? A friend is looking at a Rover down there and may need a local >mechanic. > >Thanks. > > > From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Tue Sep 26 18:38:37 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8QMcbp20097 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 18:38:37 -0400 From: LRDino@aol.com Message-ID: <3a.ade1916.27027e5a@aol.com> Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 18:34:02 EDT Subject: Re: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #245 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org, mendo_recce-digest@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 120 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Try disconnecting the battery then reconnecting the battery. Something about the computer system re-setting itself. Dino Gomez, rare 95 5-speed disco. From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Tue Sep 26 19:04:16 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8QN4GN20121 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 19:04:16 -0400 Message-ID: <6717C84A8642D2119F1700A0C9D5D9F40344495D@menlomail.exponent.com> From: John Pye To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: ABS Light Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 15:54:43 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Last time the ABS light did not go off in my 1992 Range Rover, I believe it was due to a little electric solenoid called the shift interlock (or something similar.) No noticeable performance issues with light illuminated, but I was in constant dire fear of brake loss (until I figured out what it was) - solenoid was replaced and problem went away. Two years later and the light is on again. John Pye, Ph.D. Senior Engineer Exponent Failure Analysis Associates 650.688.7120 jpye@exponent.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-mendo_recce-digest@fourfold.org [mailto:owner-mendo_recce-digest@fourfold.org] Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2000 12:23 PM To: mendo_recce-digest@fourfold.org Subject: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #245 Mendo_Recce digest: Tuesday, September 26 2000 Volume 02 : Number 245 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 25 Sep 00 09:40:52 MDT From: jjp4 Subject: Free 109 frame Bill in Crockett (?) still has the 109 frame and it is free to anyone with a good home. Joe ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 16:37:07 GMT From: "Paul Archibald" Subject: Re: Sighting.......and The African Lives!!!!!!!!!!!! Bob Frey said: >BTW, the list has been very quiet since Friday... no traffic at all on >this end. Is it me or is the Major on sabbatical... No Bob... It's just people just aren't talking rogers anymore! ;-( Me? I was wrenching on The African both days. I still can't figure out the little electrical issues it has. The starter spins but doesn't engage the flywheel. I took it out and tested it, lubed up the bendix assy and confirmed that it was working properly but on re-install still not engaging! wondering if i should have cleaned up the brushes(or replaced them?) while it was out... I shouldn't have given away my re-built starter just cause I didn't ahve a current need for a rover one when I did! ;-( the key is off, but there's still 12v to the coil!! THe origional coil is pretty week, so I temporarilly hooked up the MSD coil from Elgie and it fired up with a few turns of the hand-crank...idled but died on reving....needs to be tuned up over the next few days.....shoulda kept the spare key switch assy too! Anyone have an extra muffler laying around? the old one is shot to hell!....and of course as usual I had given my spare away! ;-( The Jet in the rottenchester had been soldered up and drilled out, so I don't know what size it really is. The range was around 48-51 right? The light Brigade is sporting it's new winch that I finegled, and Elgies Warn 8274 is in as many little pieces as possible...It's a-gonna be a costly re-build both top and bottom housings are cracked! ;-( Typical Paul move! Buy it cheap broken in pieces and end up paying more than it'd cost new to get it up-n-running!...you'd think I'd learn...it's gonna sit there for a few months! There are other Rover commitments of more importance... Paul Some people have lives on the week-end.....I ahve land-rovers! ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 16:40:27 GMT From: "Paul Archibald" Subject: Re: Free 109 frame >Bill in Crockett (?) still has the 109 frame and it is free to anyone with a >good home. > >Joe Really? do you have his #? I got it the other day from Medhi, but lost it! I'm really hurting for a frame for the new dormobile project as the frame is toast! I was going to call and get it this week-end but couldn't! \;-( Paul Frameless.... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 13:12:08 EDT From: GElam30092@aol.com Subject: Discovery: anti-lock light....... The anti-lock warning light on the '95 Discovery doesn't turn itself off after the normal, brief test period. The workshop manual seems to indicate that the only way to find the fault is to use the Testbook. Any other $ugge$tion$ before I vi$it one of the dealer$? I $u$pect it'$ on of the $en$or$ but how do you narrow it down w/o a te$tbook? Thanks..... Gerry PHX AZ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 10:40:22 -0700 (MST) From: James Howard Subject: Engine stuff Looked at the valves this weekend on our 89 RR. The intakes had big gobs of sludge on them - I bet that was the main reason power was down at high rpms. BP sent us the wrong valve stem seals. Took an old one down to CarQuest and they found that Buick ones were dimensionally the same. I have my father visiting and helping me put this things back together. We took the starter out since it is so accessible right now, and took it apart. The brushes were almost at the new length, and the bearings have acceptible play in them. I was surprised, because I thought the starter was as old as the Rover (220,000 miles). The date on it was 04/89, and our build date is 01/89. Perhaps the 04 is a week number. Anyway, it has at least 100,000 miles on it. I was amazed at how light it was, but then found that it is a gear reduction starter. James ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 19:14:47 GMT From: "Paul Archibald" Subject: Re: [Re: Free 109 frame] >Hello Paul > >I have his number at home. I get home around 4:30 so I will e-mail it to you >after that. You are a good man saving a frame from an ugly death. well I'm apparently getting a reputation for doing those things according to TeriAnn. ;-) ...after all I want to merge it with a '63 dormobile that I am saving from an equally ugly death as well. ..by the way, thanks for the offer for his #, but Bob B. chimed in with it and I have left Bill a message to call me about it. Paul > >Joe > >"Paul Archibald" wrote: >> >Bill in Crockett (?) still has the 109 frame and it is free to anyone with >a >> >> >good home. >> > >> >Joe >> Really? do you have his #? I got it the other day from Medhi, but lost it! >> I'm really hurting for a frame for the new dormobile project as the frame >is >> toast! I was going to call and get it this week-end but couldn't! \;-( >> >> Paul >> Frameless.... > > >____________________________________________________________________ >Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 12:09:22 -0700 From: Daniel Oppenheim Subject: 88" rolling chassis for sale I've decided to keep Jac (RHD 88" PU) and so I won't be needing the 88" frame I painstakingly stripped, cleaned, primed and painted. I'd like to sell the complete front end, rear end and frame as a unit for $2000. I'm open to breaking the pieces apart however. The transmission cross piece either need a bit of welding, or replacing with the cross member which can be removed for easy access to the tranny. These are available from Marsland frames for the price of 35 pounds (about $60.) Cheers, Daniel ------------------------------ Date: 25 Sep 00 13:08:12 MDT From: jjp4 Subject: Re: [Re: Free 109 frame] Hello Paul I have his number at home. I get home around 4:30 so I will e-mail it to you after that. You are a good man saving a frame from an ugly death. Joe "Paul Archibald" wrote: > >Bill in Crockett (?) still has the 109 frame and it is free to anyone with a > > >good home. > > > >Joe > Really? do you have his #? I got it the other day from Medhi, but lost it! > I'm really hurting for a frame for the new dormobile project as the frame is > toast! I was going to call and get it this week-end but couldn't! \;-( > > Paul > Frameless.... ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Sep 00 16:10:44 -0700 From: TeriAnn Wakeman Subject: yard sale this weekend Well my landloard is having a yard sale at my place this weekend so I guess I'm going to be offering some stuff. Of possible interest to mendoites: - - Husky 61 chain saw - - Coverall Europe tent (Fits on the back of a LR like the Carannex tent but wide enugh for Discos & Range Rovers) - - Pair of genuine Lucas rectangular fog lamps from the seventies - - A very well made back pack & frame - - Propane lantern - - Ice chest - - plastic camping dishes - - Series II (maybe IIA I forgot how to tell them appart) water pump - - Misc Land Rover bits - - Two person pup tent (Nylon with aluminum rods - - Aluminum rods for awning shelters - - old style Svea 123 stove - - Misc camping gear - - Misc odds & ends including antique Aladin kerosene lamps, early fifties Sunbeam mixer, including the Sunbeam butter churn attachment. If you are interested in something & need direction, e-mail me. TeriAnn http://www.overlander.net The world's most complete set of links connecting Rover 4X4 owners with Rover parts, service, accessory & sales companies world wide. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 20:05:05 -0700 (MST) From: James Howard Subject: Head bolts On the 3.9 engine, is the reasoning for leaving the lower row of head bolts out because it lets the head gasket leak on the valley side? Or does it leak on the valley side because there is no bolt there to help seal it? I am wondering because ours was leaking on the valley side. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 12:23:51 -0700 From: "Blair Peterson" Subject: San Diego area Rover mechanics Anyone know of a series-inclined mechanic in the SD area? Heard of a guy named Behr? A friend is looking at a Rover down there and may need a local mechanic. Thanks. ------------------------------ End of Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #245 ********************************** From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Tue Sep 26 20:59:02 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8R0x2o20229 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 20:59:02 -0400 X-Originating-IP: [165.248.247.131] From: "Peter Ogilvie" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: ABS Light Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 14:54:32 HST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Sep 2000 00:54:32.0604 (UTC) FILETIME=[7F957DC0:01C0281D] Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Aloha John: Don't know nothing about ABS but is employment by your company a prerequisite for Range Rover Ownership???? I guess it should say component failure analysis to be more succinct >From: John Pye >Senior Engineer >Exponent Failure Analysis Associates _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Wed Sep 27 00:13:59 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8R4Dx720774 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 00:13:59 -0400 From: Zaxcoinc@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 00:09:29 EDT Subject: Ebay, and LR To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 119 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Did I miss something? I've been moving, and so quite busy. I was watching Ebay for a bit, and it appeared Roger Sinasohn was buying Daniel's' Jacaranda. Did that happen or what? Zack From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Tue Sep 26 23:17:32 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8R3HWA20406 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 23:17:32 -0400 Message-ID: <001501c02830$70f1a600$8c1ad1d1@computer> From: "Granville Pool" To: References: Subject: Re: San Diego area Rover mechanics Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 20:09:56 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Blair, My daughter Shannon could look at it. She wouldn't be any help but she'd enjoy seeing a Series Land-Rover! Granny From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Wed Sep 27 00:43:46 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8R4hkI21324 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 00:43:46 -0400 From: SFmms@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 00:39:17 EDT Subject: Re: SD Mechanics To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 119 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Blair writes: << Anyone know of a series-inclined mechanic in the SD area? Heard of a guy named Behr? A friend is looking at a Rover down there and may need a local mechanic. >> Blair, There is a San Diego Land Rover club that I believe is heavily Series oriented, you might try their web page at http://www.lrcsd.com. They should be able to help your friend out. Karen Sindir 74 SIII 88 Red Rufy '66 SIIa Barbaros '95 Disco EFE From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Wed Sep 27 01:04:24 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8R54OT21350 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 01:04:24 -0400 From: "Kelly Minnick" To: Subject: RE: Head bolts Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 22:01:39 -0700 Message-ID: <000401c02840$04e04b00$ec05193f@minnick> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Un-even torque causes this leaking. RPI recommends putting the bolts in, but only with 30 - 40 lb-ft of torque (basically just seal up the holes). I really thought it would leak opposite the side with the 4 extra head bolts... Later, Kelly Minnick > > > > On the 3.9 engine, is the reasoning for leaving the lower row of head > bolts out because it lets the head gasket leak on the valley side? > > Or does it leak on the valley side because there is no bolt there to help > seal it? I am wondering because ours was leaking on the valley side. > > > From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Wed Sep 27 12:11:20 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8RGBKO21790 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 12:11:20 -0400 Message-ID: <27805335C7CAD31198E8009027D5EDEE4E8C94@Rcexs2> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: brake master cyl swap Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 10:09:15 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hope I'm not too late, Bob. "....Does your single circuit CV cyl point back toward the cowl..." Yes. "....The rebuild kit is listed the same part number as the clutch...." Won't work. Clutch master is 3/4" bore. Clutch slave is 7/8" bore. Single circuit-no power assist CV MC for 109" is 1.0" bore. Call Ray at Wise Owl and reference the trouble he had getting me the right kit. The right kit will be a Girling one, complete with the little packet of magic red grease. I'd say use it on the piston seal. I didn't and had to fiddle the brake pedal to get it to return to top as the piston seal was sticky in the newly honed bore for awhile. Probably be fine with the grease. ".....It seems the clutch and single cylinder brake master cylinders are the same > part number also. > They are on an 88". Not on a 109". LIke I think I said before, the 109" single circuit no power assist MC is like the "big brother" of the clutch master. I can send pix of mine pretty easy if you want. Let me know if you need them. I have both clutch and brake masters fed from the typical dual concentric reservoir metal can, but I don't know if that's original or not. I guess it probably is. My guess on the need for the spacer is to keep the op rod angle from getting out of hand as the pedal swings through it's arc. The MC piston needs to be kept as far as possible from the pivot point of the op rod in the end of the pedal, in order to minimize the side loading put on the MC piston as the pedal moves through it's arc. -Dave G. From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Wed Sep 27 14:41:05 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8RIf5v21890 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 14:41:05 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000927113349.007ff2f0@mail.saber.net> X-Sender: bobnsueb@mail.saber.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 11:33:49 -0700 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Bob & Sue Bernard Subject: RE: brake master cyl swap In-Reply-To: <27805335C7CAD31198E8009027D5EDEE4E8C94@Rcexs2> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Not too late. Thanks I will study a bit more and probably talk to Ral Wood. But I'm thinking of doing it on an 88. Bob B At 10:09 AM 9/27/2000 -0600, you wrote: >Hope I'm not too late, Bob. > > "....Does your single circuit CV cyl point back toward the cowl..." > >Yes. > > "....The rebuild kit is listed the same part number as the >clutch...." > >Won't work. Clutch master is 3/4" bore. Clutch slave is 7/8" bore. Single >circuit-no power assist CV MC for 109" is 1.0" bore. Call Ray at Wise Owl >and reference the trouble he had getting me the right kit. The right kit >will be a Girling one, complete with the little packet of magic red grease. >I'd say use it on the piston seal. I didn't and had to fiddle the brake >pedal to get it to return to top as the piston seal was sticky in the newly >honed bore for awhile. Probably be fine with the grease. > > ".....It seems the clutch and single cylinder brake master cylinders >are the same >> part number also. >> >They are on an 88". Not on a 109". LIke I think I said before, the 109" >single circuit no power assist MC is like the "big brother" of the clutch >master. I can send pix of mine pretty easy if you want. Let me know if you >need them. I have both clutch and brake masters fed from the typical dual >concentric reservoir metal can, but I don't know if that's original or not. >I guess it probably is. > >My guess on the need for the spacer is to keep the op rod angle from getting >out of hand as the pedal swings through it's arc. The MC piston needs to be >kept as far as possible from the pivot point of the op rod in the end of the >pedal, in order to minimize the side loading put on the MC piston as the >pedal moves through it's arc. > >-Dave G. > > > > From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Wed Sep 27 15:41:55 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8RJftH21956 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 15:41:55 -0400 Message-ID: <27805335C7CAD31198E8009027D5EDEE4E8C9F@Rcexs2> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: brake master cyl swap Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 13:39:56 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org ".....But I'm thinking of doing it on an 88....." OH! Sorry then, most of my info won't apply. I didn't know they used CB MCs on 88s. I think probably I saw your reference to ditching the CB and ASS-u-ME-ed you were talking 109". As Gilda used to say..... Never mind....... :^) -Dave G. From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Wed Sep 27 16:57:58 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8RKvw922082 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 16:57:58 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.32.20000927134937.0080aea0@shell14.ba.best.com> X-Sender: daniel5@shell14.ba.best.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 13:49:46 -0700 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Daniel Oppenheim Subject: South Africa regalia stuff for sale Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I'm selling some brass South African Automobile Association grill badges. I've listed them on ebay, but have some to offer mendoites without going through the bidding process. You can see them at http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=451614326 I'm offering them at $75. I also have the traditional chrome one, with AA yellow background. If you're interested, I can provide a photo. They look great on the bumper or grill. Cheers, daniel From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Wed Sep 27 17:23:15 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8RLNFR22121 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 17:23:15 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000927140925.00814dd0@mail.saber.net> X-Sender: bobnsueb@mail.saber.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 14:09:25 -0700 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Bob & Sue Bernard Subject: RE: brake master cyl swap In-Reply-To: <27805335C7CAD31198E8009027D5EDEE4E8C9F@Rcexs2> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org At 01:39 PM 9/27/2000 -0600, you wrote: >".....But I'm thinking of doing it on an 88....." > >OH! Sorry then, most of my info won't apply. I didn't know they used CB >MCs on 88s. I think probably I saw your reference to ditching the CB and >ASS-u-ME-ed you were talking 109". I realized you think 109, when I also realized that I think 88. So sometimes the helpful answers don't apply 100%. Also when I was still working in Sillycon valley as a tech specialist for IBM, I always used the don't ASS-U-ME thing to stop the guys from making assumptions that would then steer them wrong. So one guy would always start with "I presumed" instead. Oh well. Right, Never Mind! Thanks, Bob B >As Gilda used to say..... > >Never mind....... > >:^) > >-Dave G. > > From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Wed Sep 27 17:45:07 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8RLj7X22143 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 17:45:07 -0400 From: GElam30092@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 17:40:41 EDT Subject: another book to read....... To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 112 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In the drive to Alaska thread a week ago or so, there were several books mentioned on that subject. Great recommendations. In the same spirit, I purchased a copy of "Prince Borshese's Trail" by Genevieve Obert which Nick recommends as must reading if you're planning a trip across China and beyond. (I can dream can't I?!) Anyway, it's a great book and I'm throughly enjoying it. So much so, I'm also trying to find a copy of Luigi Barzini's book (c. 1907) "Peking to Paris" which documents the first race. http://popularmechanics.com/popmech/auto2/PTOPM.html also has a little information. One other note: it appears that there were at least three LR Series vehicles including a Series 1 and a couple of IIA's. I don't if Genevieve mentions them specifically but at least one of them is pictured in the book. Cheers, Gerry Elam PHX AZ From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Wed Sep 27 22:02:00 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8S220e22418 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 22:02:00 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.32.20000927185403.007f1b10@shell14.ba.best.com> X-Sender: daniel5@shell14.ba.best.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 18:54:32 -0700 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Daniel Oppenheim Subject: SWB frame for sale, part II Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org OK, so the $2000 asking price was nuts... I've put it "on the market" to find a happy home for it. Might that home be yours? Check out: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/aw-cgi/ebayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=451642180& r=0&t=0 I'm sooooooooo tempted to keep it and do a frame up restoration. I had no idea there were so many nooks and crannies on a frame. Whew! Cheers, Daniel From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Thu Sep 28 02:13:35 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8S6DZa23426 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 02:13:35 -0400 Message-ID: <39D2E56E.8D3D5659@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 22:30:10 -0800 From: michael myers X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re:Setting remote key References: <200009272054.e8RKsfS22070@minbar.fourfold.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Still looking to find out where the computer is on my '96 Disco to program the door locking remote key. Any one done it before and can give any ideas? Thanks, Mike From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Thu Sep 28 17:13:32 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8SLDWa26779 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 17:13:32 -0400 Message-ID: <20000928210839.22963.qmail@aw161.netaddress.usa.net> Date: 28 Sep 00 14:08:39 PDT From: Ivan Lam To: Subject: CRW trip planning X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (34FM.0700.4.03) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by moab.off-road.com id OAA19040 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hello, I'm planning the routing to Moab for CRW in this coming October and wonder if anyone has suggestions on these: 1) the shortest/quickest path (US 80?) 2) the best scenic path (I assume that will be US 50) 3) any overnight stop along the road for #1 and #2 I'm planning to take off from south bay on Thursday morning and make a stop on the Thursday evening and arrive at Moab on Friday noon/afternoon. Would anyone who is going to CRW want to do convoy to there? Thanks, Ivan \\|// (* 0) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~oOOo~(_)~oOOo~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ _______ ||__| [_\___ Ivan Lam |____|"__|_ |/ .................................."(o)""""""""(o)" ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~oooO~~~Oooo~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ( ) ( ) () ** ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.amexmail.com/?A=1 From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Thu Sep 28 22:40:17 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8T2eHH27030 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 22:40:17 -0400 From: GElam30092@aol.com Message-ID: <78.acaa5c1.270559de@aol.com> Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 22:35:10 EDT Subject: how do you justify an extended trip? To: mendo_recce@moab.off-road.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 119 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "It was inconceivable for a Chinese mandarin that the chi-cho's (Chinese word for the foe: the motorcar) only desire could be a journey from Peking to Paris, without any further compensation for their pains. The journey to Paris could be accomplished by swifter, safer, surer means. There must, no doubt, be hidden and dark reasons for such unaccountable eccentricity." This is what Luigi Barzini wrote in 1907. And you thought you had problems trying to explain your need for a trip to SWMBO. Cheers, Gerry Elam PHX AZ From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Fri Sep 29 01:20:28 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8T5KSA27969 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 29 Sep 2000 01:20:28 -0400 From: LRDino@aol.com Message-ID: <58.1402898.27057f90@aol.com> Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 01:16:00 EDT Subject: Re: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #247 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 120 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Mike, All I remember doing with my remote on the 95 Disco was remove the old battery for 1 minute then put the new battery in and it worked. Dino Rare 95 5 Speed Disco From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Fri Sep 29 13:47:26 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8THlQv28665 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 29 Sep 2000 13:47:26 -0400 Message-ID: <27805335C7CAD31198E8009027D5EDEE9FC275@Rcexs2> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'d90@egroups.com'" Cc: "'mendo'" , "'CSO'" , "'gfai@mindspring.com'" , "'john lee'" , "'bartlett@slip.net'" Subject: ZF says NO to external filter for LR auto trans Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 11:44:31 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Okay, I've done a little research in response to Cliff's desire to fit an external transmission fluid filter. First of all, let me say a HUGE thank you to Bill Ritchie for the (very timely) link to http://www.jie.com/ the fellow I spoke to there (Jurgen) is, in my opinion, a true professional, very helpful, and dedicated to good customer service. This guy has been running all around for me for the last day and a half, and I didn't plan to spend a cent with him. When I first asked Jurgen if I could fit an external filter to the ZF transmission's cooler line, his response was (in your best German accent), "it never hurts". I then told him I'd heard from some pretty reliable sources that the fluid flow in the cooler lines would reverse on torque converter lock up and effectively, back-flush the filter. He said he wasn't sure, and that this was the first time someone had asked him, but that he would check with ZF's US office in Chicago. With a couple more rounds of phone calls, and Jurgen chasing down engineers at ZF, it came down to this. The ZF transmissions in our Defenders and Discos have a mechanical valve body. There is an electronic valve body model, but it would be recognizable from in the cab by a "sport/economy" switch near the shift lever. ours is all mechanical (YEA!!!) and controlled by cables and levers. According to the engineers at ZF, in the mechanical version (like ours) the fluid flow in the cooler lines DOES reverse when the torque converter locks up, so unless some extra system of check valves and bypass lines were fitted along with the filter, the filter would be pointless because it would self-backflush every time the torque converter locked and unlocked. Or worse yet, if a canister type filter with anti-drainback valve were inadvertently fitted, it would try to stop all flow when the converter locked up and fluid reversed. On top of that, Jurgen said he was advised by the ZF engineers that one should NEVER fit an external filter to this model of transmission. Upon torque converter lock up, the pressures in the cooler lines go to 60-70 psi and ZF knows of at least one case where an external filter ruptured, spilling fluid onto the exhaust and setting fire to the vehicle. So they say DON'T DO IT. I know, I know, I too could design a system that would be safe and effective. But for the added cost and complexity, it's just not worth it, in my opinion. I'll stick to changing the fluid and the internal filter. And here's Jurgen's words on that. He says it's his own personal opinion and practice (NOT from ZF, or anyone else) that the transmission fluid should be drained (what you can get from the pan) every 10,000 miles and the internal filter replaced every 30,000 miles for optimum performance and long life. Transmission fluid, even the good stuff, is cheap enough that I can afford to do this. And with the price of replacement transmissions and parts, I think it's cheap insurance. ZF is nice enough to provide an easy access drain plug, so I say, make use of it every 10,000 miles, or every 3rd engine oil change for most of us. Jurgen also says he has repair manuals available for the ZF transmission. He says the only drawback of this manual is that it doesn't provide information on the valve body, one of the more complex parts of the trans. But if one is interested in overhauling the ZF trans with new clutches, seals, steels, bands, etc, this manual would help. I have him checking for me now on the price of the manual, and his price on filter kits. I'll follow up this post when I have more information. JIE also supplies various levels of rebuild kits for the ZF transmissions, with all OEM parts. Transtar is another source of rebuild kits, but they are not OEM ZF parts. -Dave G. From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Fri Sep 29 13:50:57 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8THovM28674 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 29 Sep 2000 13:50:57 -0400 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 10:44:19 -0700 Subject: sighting... Message-ID: <20000929.104513.-464631.0.cirvin1258@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 3-4,6-7,10-12,18-19,21-24 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Charles R Irvin Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org During my latest stint on the road, I spotted a SI SWB in Santa Rosa, New Mexico: had a hardtop, but since I was passing through - and it was nighttime, that's all I really got to see. It was sitting at an auto repair shop on the west end of town, on the Business 40. ...Am getting LOTS of positive comments on the Land Rover stickers on the wings of my company truck! Was bummed out about missing Woodley park: got stuck in that snowstorm in Wyoming last week, and that caused me to be late in getting back to L.A. Perhaps I may make it to San Diego?.......... Charles P.S. Got back here, and the brake master in the Rangie was dead - had to drive from Fontana to Compton on the handbrake! Went to BP to get a rebuild kit - it DOES NOT include the two springs that sit begind the primary plunger!!!!! (mine had disintegrated) I found, that the springs from a MGB clutch master, and a TR-6 clutch master, are near perfect replacements! ...My company truck is now in Santa Fe Springs: I can now bike-ride if I want to....... "Be excellent to each other." - Bill S. 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From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Fri Sep 29 14:55:05 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8TIt5A28733 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 29 Sep 2000 14:55:05 -0400 Message-ID: <27805335C7CAD31198E8009027D5EDEE9FC27B@Rcexs2> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'d90@egroups.com'" , "'mendo'" , "'CSO'" Subject: Follow up from JIE Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 12:52:35 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I just got the promised call-back from JIE with the following information on the ZF trans: Filter kit: $24.30 Pan Gasket: $12.90 Repair Manual: $117.00 (not in stock, 1 week to order) I think these filter/gasket prices are probably close enough to what someone like BP gets, and since in order to replace the filter you have to drop the exhaust and replace the donuts on the down-pipes anyway, I might just as soon order all the parts from one place (LR supplier). But it is good to know that the manual is available, if needed, as well as a reasonable alternate parts source for the trans parts. -Dave G. From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Fri Sep 29 16:13:36 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8TKDaq28863 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 29 Sep 2000 16:13:36 -0400 Message-ID: <20000929200922.14054.qmail@web704.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 13:09:22 -0700 (PDT) From: KC Subject: Cliff Watts To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi, is Cliff Watts out there? Hopefully I spelled your name correctly. Please reply directly to me, or if anyone knows his email, forward it on. Thanks--KC __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Fri Sep 29 21:09:21 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8U19L129052 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 29 Sep 2000 21:09:21 -0400 From: "Kelly Minnick" To: Subject: RE: Follow up from JIE Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 18:06:57 -0700 Message-ID: <000201c02a7a$bacdcc80$0e05193f@minnick> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <27805335C7CAD31198E8009027D5EDEE9FC27B@Rcexs2> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Transmission Exchange out of Oregon has the 'manual' for the ZF 4HP-22 for $12.00. It's a great manual and includes the info on the 'A' clutch fix. They also sell hard and soft parts at great prices, completely rebuilt units, and Lube Guard. Pan gasket is like $7.50 and filter is $13.00. Same prices for my BMW 535. BMP also has about the same prices, but only carry the one for the 535... http://www.txchange.com/index.shtml Later, Kelly Minnick > > > I just got the promised call-back from JIE with the following > information on > the ZF trans: > > Filter kit: $24.30 > Pan Gasket: $12.90 > Repair Manual: $117.00 (not in stock, 1 week to order) > > I think these filter/gasket prices are probably close enough to > what someone > like BP gets, and since in order to replace the filter you have > to drop the > exhaust and replace the donuts on the down-pipes anyway, I might just as > soon order all the parts from one place (LR supplier). But it is good to > know that the manual is available, if needed, as well as a reasonable > alternate parts source for the trans parts. > > -Dave G. > > From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Fri Sep 29 22:22:49 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8U2Mnd29117 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 29 Sep 2000 22:22:49 -0400 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20000929.104513.-464631.0.cirvin1258@juno.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 19:12:10 -0800 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Russ Wilson Subject: Re: sighting... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >...My company truck is now in Santa Fe Springs: I can now bike-ride if I >want to....... The guy owns a FLEET of British Iron and he's talking about riding his bike to work.... go figure. Russ and Leslie Wilson "People constantly speak of 'the government' doing this or that, as they might speak of God doing it. But the government is really nothing but a group of men, and usually they are very inferior men." --H. L. Mencken From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Fri Sep 29 23:05:51 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8U35pH29146 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 29 Sep 2000 23:05:51 -0400 From: SFmms@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 23:01:18 EDT Subject: Pics of LA area British Car Meets To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 119 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi all: A Ventura, California area Land Rover owner named Daniel set up a web site and posted some pictures of the Series Land Rovers in attendance at the Ventura and Woodley Park (LA) British Car Meets, including our SIII and SIIa. The address is as follows: http://www.geocities.com/sirernest.geo/landrovers.html Karen Sindir '74 SIII 88 Red Rufy '66 SIIa Barbaros '95 Disco EFE From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Sat Sep 30 00:19:03 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8U4J3j29868 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 00:19:03 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.20000929210339.009ab9c0@proaxis.com> X-Sender: mcavender@proaxis.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 21:14:39 -0700 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Mike Cavender Subject: UK Parts In-Reply-To: <200009290259.e8T2xb727046@minbar.fourfold.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by minbar.fourfold.org id e8U4J3b29866 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I've been talking to a friend in the UK who has the following parts, the list includes several Salisbury front and rear ends.. plus lots of body parts... parts are used but in good condition... I thought if there was adequate interest we ship a container load of goodies back this way.. I'm willing to facilitate that.. but this isn't a money making thing for me.. and if anyone else is interested I'll be glad to put you in contact with Mike... The following are presently available for disposal. Due to needing the space. 1)A large selection of Body items for Series 2 and 3 Landrovers.Doors,wings,grills,bonnets.Axles,engines gearbox's.To clear at sensible prices. 2) Rolling chassis from Landrover TACR1 firevehicle. Chassis ??.Body gone but good engine,gearbox,mechanics,axles,etc. lots of parts .To break for rebuild would need new Bulkhead at least. £200 buyer removes. 3) Ifor Hi Cab rear body Fire conversion one of only a few ever built.Hi cab rear pickup body with built up front locker area roller shutter each side.Then shortened pick up bed area and Ifor curved roof. The Body originaly had a Perrin pressure unit in it and was mounted on a diesel 110 Landrover.Ingood condition. a) as is £ 500 b) In a package complete with a pump and tank some fittings and pipework etc. £1800 c) You supply a 110 Landrover preferably a pickup and we will do the complete conversion to working fire vehicle,ie body fitted,250 g.p.m.pto driven pump,1000 litre water tank,roof ladder rack,outlets, pipework,lights paint the full monty for £3,750 d) c) plus equipment hoses,ladder,basic rescue kit extinguishers etc. £4,500 4) For sale Landrover 2B Forward control with a difference.Full aviation standard conversion media capable to CAT 3 used many times with CAA approval at various events and airfields.The vehicle includes 1300 litre water capacity,90 litre foam concentrate tank,350 GPM pump,Full suction ability,50 Kilo dry powder system,Foam induction system from the side of 450 lpm and from the rear of 900 lpm.The vehicle has uprated suspension,uprated transmission,axles,gearbox etc.This vehicle performs as a fire vehicle should.Will carry 5 crew and all equipment.it has only 19,000 kilometres on the clock from new. Will accept £5,500 or very near offer.Equipment available to go with the vehicle plus spares. 5) Rover v8 3.5 litre petrol engines. Choice of 2 good runners £200 each. If you have received this e-mail and find nothing of interest please pass it on to somebody who may be interested thank you.(NB sorry all prices subject to vat except for the 2B forward control ). 6) 1960 SWB series 2 Landrover (ex fire support vehicle?) From the chassis up rebuild everything refurbished/rebuilt.Lots of new bodywork.Engine 29,000 from new over 1/2 complete all parts with vehicle to complete.As is £1700 o.v.n.o. or can arrange to complete POA. 7) Some fire pumps,and spares also fire equipment. > From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Sat Sep 30 16:20:29 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8UKKTh30511 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 16:20:29 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20000930131249.00a54c60@flex.com> X-Sender: jhong@flex.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 13:12:49 -0700 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: John Subject: THE LR tow vehicle... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by minbar.fourfold.org id e8UKKSb30509 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org So it seems Ford is doing a limited edition F650 for 2001 - only 300 will be produced for delivery in Nov. This sounds like quite the beast! Who's going to get one then? Consider getting it painted LR green and add a fuel transfer hose to one of them 65 gallon tanks! John (dis massage spill chequed by pre-ipo meowgull tm softwear ) ********************************************************************* 2001 Ford F-650 Super CrewZer Parker, TX, September 27, 2000 - Designed especially for the luxury personal recreational vehicle market and serious towing hobbyists, including those who tow horse trailers or race cars, the 2001 F-650 Super CrewZer™ is a multipurpose vehicle that rounds out the already broad Built Ford Tough F-Series lineup. "Personal recreational vehicle customers and high-end towing hobbyists spend a lot of time in their vehicles," said Larry Savage, Ford Division chassis cab marketing manager. "These customers want the ability to carry passengers comfortably, along with a substantial cargo load on the vehicle. So, they want creature comforts and lots of power, payload and towing capability." The new Super CrewZer™ is a 194" wheelbase Lo-Profile vehicle, with a GVWR (gross vehicle weight rating) of 23,000 lbs. and 9,500 lbs. of on-board payload capability. GCWR (gross combined weight rating with trailer) is 43,000 lbs. It's powered by the most powerful engine in Ford's lineup - a Caterpillar® 3126B diesel engine with 300 horsepower, 860 lb.-ft. of torque and an Allison MD 3066 electronically-controlled 6-speed adaptive shift, double overdrive automatic transmission matched with a 4.33 rear axle ratio. Other features of the Super CrewZer™ package include: Chassis: 8,000 lb. front axle; 15,000 lb. Meritor rear axle; Hendrickson™ HAS190 air ride rear suspension; 245/70R 19.5G tires; 19.5x6.75 aluminum disc wheels (polished on both sides); dual 65 gallon fuel tanks (130 gallon total capacity) ********************************************* From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Sat Sep 30 17:19:26 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8ULJQd30570 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 17:19:26 -0400 Message-ID: <39D658DA.78DB20DC@wenet.net> Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 14:19:23 -0700 From: "Bruce R. Bonar" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: THE LR tow vehicle... References: <3.0.3.32.20000930131249.00a54c60@flex.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org This would be perfect but the crew cab is too long. 860 ft. lb. torque, I like it. We saw a nice tow vehicle on the way back home last weekend. Freightliner 3 axle tractor with a custom RV back, probably shorter than the 194" wb Ford, towing a race car trailer. I'd prefer a Kenworth to the rather maudlin Freightliner but it's the right idea. Most semi-truck tractors like this are available with driveline options that will allow a GCWR of over 80,000 pounds. BB John wrote: > So it seems Ford is doing a limited edition F650 for 2001 - only 300 will > be produced for delivery in Nov. This sounds like quite the beast! > Who's going to get one then? Consider getting it painted LR green and add > a fuel transfer hose to one of them 65 gallon tanks! > > John > > (dis massage spill chequed by pre-ipo meowgull tm softwear ) > > ********************************************************************* > > 2001 Ford F-650 Super CrewZer > > Parker, TX, September 27, 2000 - Designed especially for the luxury > personal recreational vehicle market and serious towing hobbyists, > including those who tow horse trailers or race cars, the 2001 F-650 Super > CrewZer™ is a multipurpose vehicle that rounds out the already broad Built > Ford Tough F-Series lineup. > > "Personal recreational vehicle customers and high-end towing hobbyists > spend a lot of time in their vehicles," said Larry Savage, Ford Division > chassis cab marketing manager. "These customers want the ability to carry > passengers comfortably, along with a substantial cargo load on the vehicle. > So, they want creature comforts and lots of power, payload and towing > capability." > > The new Super CrewZer™ is a 194" wheelbase Lo-Profile vehicle, with a GVWR > (gross vehicle weight rating) of 23,000 lbs. and 9,500 lbs. of on-board > payload capability. GCWR (gross combined weight rating with trailer) is > 43,000 lbs. It's powered by the most powerful engine in Ford's lineup - a > Caterpillar® 3126B diesel engine with 300 horsepower, 860 lb.-ft. of torque > and an Allison MD 3066 electronically-controlled 6-speed adaptive shift, > double overdrive automatic transmission matched with a 4.33 rear axle ratio. > > Other features of the Super CrewZer™ package include: > > Chassis: 8,000 lb. front axle; 15,000 lb. Meritor rear axle; Hendrickson™ > HAS190 air ride rear suspension; 245/70R 19.5G tires; 19.5x6.75 aluminum > disc wheels (polished on both sides); dual 65 gallon fuel tanks (130 gallon > total capacity) > > ********************************************* From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Sat Sep 30 19:33:54 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e8UNXs530631 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 19:33:54 -0400 Message-ID: <39D67778.CB4E9CAE@shasta.com> Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 16:30:01 -0700 From: plant X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mendo list Subject: question Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org today i went off roading and a couple things concerned me. while going down a real steep hill with my 95 discovery in low 4 wheel drive in 3rd gear while breaking a high pitched small motor sound came from the engine compartment. the sound lasted about 3 or 4 seconds and then went away. does anybody know what this was? i was thinking it may have had something to do with the abs. the second concern is the steering wheel, it has a feeling like the linkage (closest to the actual steering wheel) may be loose. it coincides with the bumps large rocks make the rattle more apparent. is this normal? the steering seems fine otherwise. overall it was a great trip, the capabilities of the rover amazed me. peace, kevin spicher willow creek ca. From bens@minbar.fourfold.org Sat Sep 30 23:35:52 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/Blacker) id e913ZqD30783 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 23:35:52 -0400 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4.1.20000929210339.009ab9c0@proaxis.com> References: <200009290259.e8T2xb727046@minbar.fourfold.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 20:25:14 -0800 To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: Russ Wilson Subject: Re: UK Parts Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >I've been talking to a friend in the UK who has the following parts, the list >includes several Salisbury front and rear ends.. I may be interested in a Salisbury rear end. Russ and Leslie Wilson "People constantly speak of 'the government' doing this or that, as they might speak of God doing it. But the government is really nothing but a group of men, and usually they are very inferior men." --H. L. Mencken