From bens Fri Feb 1 03:32:17 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g118WHd05491 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 03:32:17 -0500 Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 03:32:17 -0500 Message-Id: <200202010832.g118WH405487@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Gbrovers@aol.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Shock replacement Disco I Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In a message dated 1/31/02 12:20:11 PM, jpipes@csd.uwm.edu writes: << It's the same with Bilstein shocks. They're designed for onroad use, and in that application they perform excellently. >> Jason Bilsteins work great both on and especially off road. If you look at what folks have been running and winning with in SCORE/HDRA off road events for the past 25 to 30 years, all the top finishers are almost exclusively running Bilsteins. I personally feel like OME springs and Bilstein shocks are the best combination for a LR. Bill GBR From bens Fri Feb 1 03:41:31 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g118fVM05544 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 03:41:31 -0500 Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 03:41:31 -0500 Message-Id: <200202010841.g118fVx05540@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Christopher Dow" To: Subject: RE: Shock replacement Disco I Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 10 lines filtered. ] Bill, Do you know of people who have done this with a 110? I ask because since I have done it on mine, it handles very poorly. It's actually quite frightening at times. I've had two other drivers mention to me that my truck was just squirrelly as hell on the highway. In fact, one of them very nearly lost control of it on a straight road. The issue seems to be bumps in the road while driving over 60MPH. I have become accustomed to its sensitivity, but it really surprises others. C From bens Fri Feb 1 03:43:34 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g118hY005567 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 03:43:34 -0500 Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 03:43:34 -0500 Message-Id: <200202010843.g118hYd05563@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Christopher Dow" To: Subject: RE: short windscreen? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 8 lines filtered. ] A google search yielded: http://www.supercars.net/Pic?s=1&i=862&p=2001_jeep_willys_2-6.jpg&y=2001 &m=Jeep&o=Willys%202%20Concept (You my have to join those two lines back together). This must really be a concept, since the driver's side in the shot is missing instruments altogether. Did this remind anyone else of the concept defender? C From bens Fri Feb 1 12:10:24 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g11HAOx07965 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 12:10:24 -0500 Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 12:10:24 -0500 Message-Id: <200202011710.g11HAOl07961@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Gbrovers@aol.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: RE: Shock replacement Disco I Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In a message dated 2/1/02 12:12:13 AM, dow@thelen.org writes: << Bill, Do you know of people who have done this with a 110? I ask because since I have done it on mine, it handles very poorly. It's actually quite frightening at times. I've had two other drivers mention to me that my truck was just squirrelly as hell on the highway. In fact, one of them very nearly lost control of it on a straight road. The issue seems to be bumps in the road while driving over 60MPH. I have become accustomed to its sensitivity, but it really surprises others. >> Christopher 95%+ of the suspension packages I sell are OME/Bilstein combos and have not had problems specific to this setup. I suspect that your problem is a castor angle or a heavier spring rate than you need. You didin't mention whether you had medium duty or heavy duty springs installed on the rig. The castor angle problem occurs on occasion. What happens when you lift a vehicle is that the castor angle is reduced in your front suspension. The symptom is the steering feels very light at higher speeds and the rig will/may want to wander around a bit i.e. you don't have the nice stable rig you started with. Surprisingly this doesn't happen on all vehicles because there is a wide variation in castor from the factory. You are supposed to have two degrees positive castor. My guess is that it varies from four degrees to zero on a stock rig. When you lift a Rover with a OME suspesnion you reduce the castor by two degrees. If you started with a vehicle that had at least two degrees or more, the result is probably not particularly noticable but on the other hand if you had a rig with zero derees to start with and now you are at minus two, its very noticable! I suspect this is what you are experiencing. You can check the alignment to be sure. Also a reduction in castor will accentuate other alignment problems such as toe in. If in fact castor angle is the problem, you can correct it by either castor corrected radius arms or an OME castor correction kit. THe OME kit is by far the less expensive alternative. If your problem is too much spring for the vehicle a slightly softer shock absorber may help with the problem. Its easy to overspring a D110 because they surprisingly are significantly lighter than a RR as an example. If you have OME heavy duty springs (OME751/755) thats too much spring for an unladen vehicle. Bill GBR From bens Fri Feb 1 12:58:51 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g11HwpU08193 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 12:58:51 -0500 Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 12:58:51 -0500 Message-Id: <200202011758.g11Hwpr08189@minbar.fourfold.org> From: James Howard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: short windscreen? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org At first glance, the proportions look similar to the Hummer. I suppose that is no accident. Blair Peterson wrote: From bens Fri Feb 1 13:13:10 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g11IDAj08273 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 13:13:10 -0500 Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 13:13:10 -0500 Message-Id: <200202011813.g11IDAx08269@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Christopher Dow" To: Subject: Watusi? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org On p. 111 of the current issue of QST magazine, there is a photo of a very well-cared-for series rover that’s the same color as Watusi. The caption says it belongs to John, KE6GFF, and that it was taken in the LA area. The odd thing is that the angle is such that I can't tell if it's a 109 or an 88. It has a roof rack and ladder on it. The owner won the Single Op Low Power category in the August UHF ham contest. Convergence is cool. C From bens Fri Feb 1 13:29:37 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g11ITbt08376 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 13:29:37 -0500 Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 13:29:37 -0500 Message-Id: <200202011829.g11ITbt08372@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Clarke Williams To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: Shock replacement Disco I Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Chris, Do you mean Bilsteins and OME springs on a 110? I've got Bilsteins and OME springs on my 110 and it handles quite nicely. clarke At 03:41 AM 2/1/02 -0500, you wrote: > > [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] > [ Included Original Message ] > [ 10 lines filtered. ] >Bill, > >Do you know of people who have done this with a 110? I ask because >since I have done it on mine, it handles very poorly. It's actually >quite frightening at times. I've had two other drivers mention to me [ 6 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Fri Feb 1 13:35:41 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g11IZfA08428 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 13:35:41 -0500 Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 13:35:41 -0500 Message-Id: <200202011835.g11IZfK08424@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Christopher Dow" To: Subject: RE: short windscreen? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 7 lines filtered. ] It's funny you should mention that. At least twice a month (yesterday was the last time), I have the same conversation (regarding my 110) with the same employee of a 7-11 I occasionally frequent. The creepy thing is her voice sounds just like the voice of the small woman in Poltergeist who comes to rid the house of the spooks (so, imagine that voice while reading on): 711 (deeply contemplative): That's a nice truck. It looks like it'll go anywhere. Me: Thanks. 711: Is that a Hummer? Me: No, it's a Land Rover. 711: You get that from Ford? Me: Ford owns them now, but they're a British company. 711: I bet they're really expensive. Me: Well, it's kind of old now. 711: Have fun with it? Me: I do. 711: Have a nice day. Me: You, too. I am not kidding, we have this conversation on a regular basis, and the script does not vary much at all. Weird. C From bens Fri Feb 1 13:58:14 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g11IwEU08545 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 13:58:14 -0500 Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 13:58:13 -0500 Message-Id: <200202011858.g11IwDQ08541@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Christopher Dow" To: Subject: RE: Shock replacement Disco I Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 9 lines filtered. ] I have HD OME and Bilstein shocks on the 110. I'll reply to Bill's message when I have time to put some thought into it. I think he did a good job explaining why there can be some variation. C From bens Fri Feb 1 14:59:23 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g11JxN008855 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 14:59:23 -0500 Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 14:59:22 -0500 Message-Id: <200202011959.g11JxMd08851@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Brian Horner To: , Subject: New GearHead show... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Ultimate Machine Combat is all about cars and mayhem. Ultimate Machine Combat is the new show from the creators of TLC's >> Junkyard Wars and Channel 4's >> Scrapheap Challenge. It will test machines and drivers to the limits of their tolerances and beyond. That's where you come in. We are looking for the 30 most brilliant teams from around the world to engage in Ultimate Machine Combat. The format is simple and like all good games, the rules are too. Each week, three teams enter the arena but only one team lives to fight another day. Each team we choose will get 30 days and a pot of money to build the ultimate fighting vehicle. You will build it in your own backyard and then we will transport it to our secret arena where it will fight to survive the rigours of Ultimate Machine Combat. Go here to read more.. http://www.ultimatemachinecombat.com/ ************************************************ I will be GLUED to the television for this.. Brian ------------------------ http://www.roverme.org "Land Rover community, links and email services." From bens Fri Feb 1 17:36:45 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g11Majj09705 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 17:36:45 -0500 Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 17:36:45 -0500 Message-Id: <200202012236.g11MajJ09701@minbar.fourfold.org> From: joe mulqueen To: mendo Subject: NCRC/Willets mud run Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I see dates have been selected (Feb 16-17). I wonder if I could make this part of a Valentine's gift........ Joe Mulqueen '67 SIIA 109 SW __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com From bens Fri Feb 1 18:02:57 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g11N2vI09859 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 18:02:57 -0500 Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 18:02:57 -0500 Message-Id: <200202012302.g11N2vI09855@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Freeman, Ben" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #653 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org unsubscribe mendo_reccer-digest@fourfold.org end From bens Fri Feb 1 18:18:08 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g11NI8Q09974 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 18:18:08 -0500 Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 18:18:07 -0500 Message-Id: <200202012318.g11NI7E09970@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: RE: Shock replacement Disco I Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Bill, you mention some excellent points in your posting, but something I wanted to comment on: I can't see anything better than pairing shocks and springs made by the same brand, which OME can offer. Bilstein can not. From their site, OME's shocks are designed specifically to work with their springs, so the shocks are valved to match the spring characteristics. That is something that seems very important when considering a spring-shock combination. While castor angle may be what is effecting Chris with his 110, that doesn't address the earlier comment re: pairing different brand springs and shocks. Also, mentioning that so many offroad championship trucks have been running Bilstein's is kind of like comparing apples and oranges. Unless I'm mistaken the "basic" model Bilstein for offroad applications is not onpar with the similar model offered by OME. I'm sure the winning vehicles mentioned weren't using the standard Bilstein model (the 5100 series) but the more advanced 7100 or 9100 series. When comparing OME "standard" offroad shocks with "standard" Bilstein offroad shocks, it seems that the combination of specific spring valving and lack thereof from the Bilstein is a serious consideration. Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 From bens Fri Feb 1 18:32:09 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g11NW9g10048 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 18:32:09 -0500 Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 18:32:09 -0500 Message-Id: <200202012332.g11NW9110044@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Peter Whitbeck To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: RE: Shock replacement Disco I Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 42 lines filtered. ] Okay, I'm going to back up a bit here because something that was mentioned earlier in this thread caught my interest. Castor angle? I've got OME springs and shocks on my 97 Disco. After installing them I noticed that it didn't track nearly as well at freeway speeds. Is this due to the castor angle. If so, what's the fix? Peter ************** Peter Whitbeck Peter@RailCarAmerica.com http://www.railcaramerica.com/pw/ From bens Fri Feb 1 18:53:25 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g11NrPt10147 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 18:53:25 -0500 Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 18:53:25 -0500 Message-Id: <200202012353.g11NrPX10143@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Jeff Rogers" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: NCRC/Willets mud run Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >I see dates have been selected (Feb 16-17). I wonder >if I could make this part of a Valentine's >gift........ Camping in the mud... You know Joe, I thought you might be a romantic, but now I'm sure. :-) _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From bens Fri Feb 1 18:54:34 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g11NsYd10161 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 18:54:34 -0500 Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 18:54:34 -0500 Message-Id: <200202012354.g11NsYt10157@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Keith Shukait To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Scouts and Rovers Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Peter, Very Cool! I'm off to the scout store to place my custom patrol patch order for "Rover Patrol The Best Den By Far" ...and the brain washing begins... Keith > On a similar vein my Cub den adopted my Bedford overland truck and made > it > the "Official Den 5 Expedition Vehicle". > > ---------------- Brian, Sounds great, the boys really want to go 4x4ing, camping and fishing. Something with the our club would make the trip just great. Keith From bens Fri Feb 1 18:57:13 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g11NvDV10213 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 18:57:13 -0500 Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 18:57:12 -0500 Message-Id: <200202012357.g11NvCB10209@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: RE: Shock replacement Disco I Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "...I can't see anything better than pairing shocks and springs made by the same brand,..." Ride in some trucks. Then compare. IMHO, matching brands of springs and shocks means little or nothing. The springs are only one consideration among many when designing shock valving. Other things particular to your individual truck like weight distributions, tires, driving conditions, etc have a lot more to do with shock valving than the spring spec. Spring rates are expressed as very definite numbers. If you knew the actual manufacturing tolerances on those numbers they would probably surprise you. MB goes farther than some and after they color code the spring for it's load characteristics, they subdivide the springs in manufacturing into 1, 2, or 3 stripe springs of the same color. Same rate RANGE, different parts of the manufacturing tolerance zone. What matters most is achieving the performance you want. Use whatever spring and shock you want to get that kind of performance. Best way to decide if a spring or shock does what you want is to ride in some trucks. I know lots of people running OME shocks and lots running Bilstein. Different ride, per personal preference. But both good products. One more thing. To the point of matching springs and shocks. Ask OME if the valving is different in the shocks they sell you with MD or HD springs. Significant difference in spring spec. Difference in shock valving? I suspect not. Maybe difference in rod length, but that will be it. Good Luck! -Dave G. From bens Fri Feb 1 19:11:11 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g120BBu10344 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 19:11:11 -0500 Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 19:11:11 -0500 Message-Id: <200202020011.g120BBq10340@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: RE: Shock replacement Disco I Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Actually, OME has at least 8 variation of shock for use with MD/HD springs, each with different specs including valving to match the spring and the desired weight resistance/lift factor and planned offroad application. It was a process trying to determine which OME shocks and springs to match for use on our 110 as there were many combinations to choose from. jpipes >One more thing. To the point of matching springs and shocks. Ask OME if >the valving is different in the shocks they sell you with MD or HD springs. >Significant difference in spring spec. Difference in shock valving? I >suspect not. Maybe difference in rod length, but that will be it. > >Good Luck! > >-Dave G. > -- Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 From bens Fri Feb 1 19:51:34 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g120pYQ10549 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 19:51:34 -0500 Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 19:51:34 -0500 Message-Id: <200202020051.g120pYX10545@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "mpatrykus" To: Subject: 711 Woman Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org There's a really simple explanation to all that, Chris. The 7-11 was built over an old indian burial ground, which when disturbed, as we all know, are gateways to another dimension. Better tie a rope to your bumper and then to yourself whenever you go inside. And watch that ectoplasmic slime. Makes a good Slurpee but It's a drycleaner's nightmare... Mo ---------------------------------------------------- Sign Up for NetZero Platinum Today Only $9.95 per month! http://my.netzero.net/s/signup?r=platinum&refcd=PT97 From bens Fri Feb 1 20:45:45 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g121jja10897 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 20:45:45 -0500 Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 20:45:45 -0500 Message-Id: <200202020145.g121jjk10893@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Tom Walsh" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: 711 Woman Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > > There's a really simple explanation to all that, Chris. > The 7-11 was built over an old indian burial ground, > which when disturbed, as we all know, are gateways > to another dimension. > Better tie a rope to your bumper and then to yourself whenever > you go inside. And watch that ectoplasmic slime. Makes a good > Slurpee but It's a drycleaner's nightmare... Thats deep! ( and funny :) TomW > > Mo > > ---------------------------------------------------- > Sign Up for NetZero Platinum Today > Only $9.95 per month! > http://my.netzero.net/s/signup?r=platinum&refcd=PT97 > > *---------*---------* tomw@fluentnet.com, www.fluentnet.com From bens Fri Feb 1 20:47:23 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g121lNi10916 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 20:47:23 -0500 Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 20:47:23 -0500 Message-Id: <200202020147.g121lNv10912@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Bruce R. Bonar" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Shock replacement Disco I Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org So you had to buy 8 sets of shocks to see which ones to use with the particular springs you're using? :-) Jason Pipes wrote: > Actually, OME has at least 8 variation of shock for use with MD/HD springs, > each with different specs including valving to match the spring and the > desired weight resistance/lift factor and planned offroad application. It was > a process trying to determine which OME shocks and springs to match for use > on our 110 I've been very pleased with a Bilstein/OME spring combination on Stella. OME shocks never did anything for me, just MHO. Bruce 94 D90 "Spot" w/ OME springs, Rancho shocks, Bilstein steering stabilizer trying to buy from everyone. From bens Fri Feb 1 20:57:53 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g121vrB10976 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 20:57:53 -0500 Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 20:57:53 -0500 Message-Id: <200202020157.g121vrb10972@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Shock replacement Disco I Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Heh, no, I just left it up to the "experts" I was dealing with at BP/RN/AB/etc to advise on the best solution for our vehicle and eventual application and I molded all of the info I managed to gather into the closest thing I could make out to be a solution!! :) >So you had to buy 8 sets of shocks to see which ones to use with the particular >springs you're using? :-) > >Jason Pipes wrote: > >> Actually, OME has at least 8 variation of shock for use with MD/HD springs, >> each with different specs including valving to match the spring and the >> desired weight resistance/lift factor and planned offroad application. It was >> a process trying to determine which OME shocks and springs to match for use [ 1 additional quoted lines pruned. ] Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 From bens Fri Feb 1 21:14:41 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g122EfX11075 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 21:14:41 -0500 Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 21:14:41 -0500 Message-Id: <200202020214.g122Efn11071@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Michael Petrone To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Lost Emails Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I don't know what is happening but I have not received any emails since January 8th. Could you restore my address please? From bens Fri Feb 1 21:18:38 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g122Ica11111 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 21:18:38 -0500 Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 21:18:38 -0500 Message-Id: <200202020218.g122IcS11107@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Tom Walsh" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Ok respond to the bumper question Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > > Hi Rob. > > Disclaimer: I get ARB bumpers at a discount so my views are biased. > > I have ARB's on both RR's, and have several experiences as to why I like > them. Rob, I think you were on the Nasciemento trip when the Disco flew off the road embankment at speed at the riverbed and landed nose down in the sand ( almost endo-ing )..... I think the stoutness of the ARB bumper saved my butt big time!! Certainly a stock LR brush bar would have been toast, as I nuked a stock one ( and part of my front end ) on a medium sized deer at 30 mph!! The ARB loses a little aproach angle over other bumpers however..... On The D90 I am very pleased with the RockWare bumper also, fortunately I haven't tested it in the same fashion as the Disco's ARB :) It has however pushed large logs, banged rocks, and generally taken a pounding. Both of the above bumpers fit the vehicles with minimal 4 letter utterings. If I were you, and ( presumably ) were trying to set the Rangie up for ( at least ) medium off-roading ( so the little one can be somewhat comfortable ), I'd go ARB ( for safety ) with stout sliders and a small OME lift with a tad more aggressive tires, then later do a winch and rear bumper protection if needed, still streetable, but very trail worthy for the times when you may not bring the series. It would make a better tow rig for the camper thing than the series IMHO due to its LWB lenght, V8 and Disc brakes with ABS also. TomW *---------*---------* tomw@fluentnet.com, www.fluentnet.com From bens Fri Feb 1 21:18:43 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g122Ih211125 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 21:18:43 -0500 Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 21:18:43 -0500 Message-Id: <200202020218.g122IhO11121@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Tom Walsh" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Shock replacement Disco I Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I fried two sets of OME's on the old Disco in pretty short order, I then switched to Rancho's and the same set has been in there ever since. On the series I run Bilstiens with parabolics, the Bil's are gas charged and make up a little for the soft parabolics, a nice combo IMHO. TomW > > So you had to buy 8 sets of shocks to see which ones to use with the particular > springs you're using? :-) > > Jason Pipes wrote: > > > Actually, OME has at least 8 variation of shock for use with MD/HD springs, > > each with different specs including valving to match the spring and the > > desired weight resistance/lift factor and planned offroad application. It was [ 13 additional quoted lines pruned. ] *---------*---------* tomw@fluentnet.com, www.fluentnet.com From bens Fri Feb 1 21:36:43 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g122ahw11217 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 21:36:43 -0500 Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 21:36:43 -0500 Message-Id: <200202020236.g122ahr11213@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Russ Wilson To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Watusi? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >On p. 111 of the current issue of QST magazine, there is a photo of a >very well-cared-for series rover thatís the same color as Watusi. The >caption says it belongs to John, KE6GFF, and that it was taken in the LA >area. The odd thing is that the angle is such that I can't tell if it's >a 109 or an 88. It has a roof rack and ladder on it. The owner won the >Single Op Low Power category in the August UHF ham contest. > >Convergence is cool. > [ 1 additional quoted lines pruned. ] -- If this is who I think it is, The rover is a NICE blue 109 owned by a very cool older guy named John. He lives in Laguna Beach and is a friend of Nick Eckert. If I remember correctly John bought the truck from someone here on the mendo list. RW From bens Fri Feb 1 22:09:17 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1239HR11384 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 22:09:17 -0500 Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 22:09:17 -0500 Message-Id: <200202020309.g1239H411380@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Shannon Holland To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Shock replacement Disco I Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org On Friday, February 1, 2002, at 06:18 PM, Tom Walsh wrote: > I fried two sets of OME's on the old Disco in pretty short order, I > then switched to Rancho's and the same set has been in there ever > since. On the series I run Bilstiens with parabolics, the Bil's are > gas charged and make up a little for the soft parabolics, a nice > combo IMHO. > Tom, What made you like the Ranchos more? (Or was it that they didn't die immediately?). Being able to adjust a shock seems a rather attractive thing - given I'd want something very different for on or off-road. Shannon From bens Fri Feb 1 22:19:59 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g123JxN11441 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 22:19:59 -0500 Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 22:19:59 -0500 Message-Id: <200202020319.g123Jxr11437@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Bruce R. Bonar" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Shock replacement Disco I Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In my case after the first 6 months or so I stopped adjusting the shocks. I set them for off-road use and left them. Mine are not remotely adjustable and it's a hassle to change the setting (or I'm just lazy). Spot is still quite usable on the road even when shock settings are set for off road use. I haven't found the difference that striking. Bruce Shannon Holland wrote: > Tom, > > What made you like the Ranchos more? .... Being able to adjust a shock > seems a rather attractive > thing - given I'd want something very different for on or off-road. From bens Fri Feb 1 23:47:53 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g124lr011837 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 23:47:53 -0500 Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 23:47:52 -0500 Message-Id: <200202020447.g124lqi11833@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Christopher Dow" To: Subject: RE: Watusi? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 9 lines filtered. ] Then it is, indeed, Watusi, whose former owner (and restorer extraordinaire) is Blair Peterson. C From bens Fri Feb 1 23:58:52 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g124wq911895 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 23:58:52 -0500 Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 23:58:51 -0500 Message-Id: <200202020458.g124wpp11891@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Polla Slade" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Ok respond to the bumper question Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org TomW wrote... >If I were you, and ( presumably ) were trying to set the Rangie up >for ( at least ) medium off-roading ( so the little one can be >somewhat comfortable ), I'd go ARB ( for safety ) with stout sliders >and a small OME lift with a tad more aggressive tires, then later do >a winch and rear bumper protection if needed, still streetable, but >very trail worthy for the times when you may not bring the series. Heck, he could by my RR, and get the additional benefits of having ARB's front and rear, 24 spline rear and front axles, an ARB roof rack, custom HD rear bumper, strengthened axle housings, and 'beauty dents' to boot! I like Tom's specs for an off-road RR. Add a couple of lockers and some Swampers and your'e good to go! Michael _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From bens Sat Feb 2 00:43:27 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g125hRS13233 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 00:43:27 -0500 Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 00:43:26 -0500 Message-Id: <200202020543.g125hQc13229@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Christopher Dow" To: Subject: RE: 711 Woman Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 8 lines filtered. ] I think I'll use the winch instead. C From bens Sat Feb 2 17:24:31 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g12MOVd17936 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 17:24:31 -0500 Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 17:24:31 -0500 Message-Id: <200202022224.g12MOV417932@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Zaxcoinc@aol.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Range Rover PS box Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset="US-ASCII" ] [ 5 lines filtered. ] Does anybody have a confirmed better than reality deal for Range Rover PS box replacement? I'm going to Britpac, Monday AM unless somebody has a better idea. I''d try A.P.E. , but I need to have one which leaks no more. Zack From bens Sat Feb 2 17:41:33 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g12MfX018047 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 17:41:33 -0500 Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 17:41:33 -0500 Message-Id: <200202022241.g12MfXn18043@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Shane Ballensky" To: Subject: Re: Ok respond to the bumper question Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org ----- Original Message ----- > > Heck, he could by my RR, and get the additional benefits of having ARB's > front and rear, 24 spline rear and front axles, an ARB roof rack, custom HD > rear bumper, strengthened axle housings, and 'beauty dents' to boot! > > I like Tom's specs for an off-road RR. Add a couple of lockers and some > Swampers and your'e good to go! > > Michael > Hey Michael, that sound just like what I want. How about $5000:) Shane From bens Sat Feb 2 18:00:59 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g12N0xF18160 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 18:00:59 -0500 Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 18:00:59 -0500 Message-Id: <200202022300.g12N0x418156@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Shannon Holland To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Shock replacement Disco I Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Why did you choose the Ranchos for Spot over Bilsteins? I seem to recall the Ranchos are longer travel, any other differences (apart from the adjustability that may or may not be a useful thing!) that would make one go one way or the other? I currently have OME HD springs in the 110. We changed the shocks as well, but I don't remember the brand/model and don't have the info in front of me (they are not Bilstein or OME). I'm fairly happy with them off road but on-road they're a bit soft and unpredictable. Body roll I'm used to, it's when the truck alters its lean unpredictably that I get a bit nervous! So I guess I'm after something that is still good off road, but is stiff enough on-road to limit the surprising changes in roll due to small steering or road surface changes. Perhaps I need to learn more about spring rates/shock valving/etc to make up my mind! Shannon On Friday, February 1, 2002, at 07:19 PM, Bruce R. Bonar wrote: > In my case after the first 6 months or so I stopped adjusting the > shocks. > I set them for off-road use and left them. Mine are not remotely > adjustable and it's a hassle to change the setting (or I'm just lazy). > Spot is still quite usable on the road even when shock settings are set > for off road use. I haven't found the difference that striking. From bens Sat Feb 2 18:38:16 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g12NcGh18259 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 18:38:16 -0500 Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 18:38:16 -0500 Message-Id: <200202022338.g12NcGH18255@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Bruce R. Bonar" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Shock replacement Disco I Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Rancho 5000's were chosen purely for longer travel. Spot has a Desert Rover suspension modification that needs the longer travel Rancho's to work. For those not familiar with it, the DR setup relocates the rear upper shock mounting point to allow for a longer travel shock. It also has a cone that allows the spring to drop way down and still reseat on compression. It doesn't affect on road performance and allows for increased drop without limiting upward travel. I also have Rancho's on the front which allow for a small increase in travel but the limiting factor there is not really the shock but the radius arm. The added benefits of the Rancho's are the adjustability and the longevity. If body roll is a concern a little stiffer setting does help. If a softer ride is wanted just turn them down. It is noticible but as I said earlier once I found a good offroad setting I've just left them there. I'm running OME HD fronts and MD rear. I'd have to look up the numbers but they are plenty stiff unless I'm loaded for a weeklong trip. I've had the shocks on for at least 3 years and while they don't have a tremendous number of highway miles they have seen above average off road use and still seem to be in good condition. Bruce Shannon Holland wrote: > Why did you choose the Ranchos for Spot over Bilsteins? I seem to recall > the Ranchos are longer travel, any other differences (apart from the > adjustability that may or may not be a useful thing!) From bens Sun Feb 3 00:00:24 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1350Oa19010 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 00:00:24 -0500 Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 00:00:24 -0500 Message-Id: <200202030500.g1350ON19006@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Keith Shukait To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Shock Replacement Disco I Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org All, First of all I don't know squat about spring and shocks but here's what I found in the RN Catalog. Has any one run these combo's and if you have, can you report back to the list? In the Rovers North "Range Rover Classic & Discovery Series I Owner's Guide" there's a "Suspension Setup Chart" on page 18 with spring and shock combos. The chart compares: Comfort Control Stiffness Ride Height. Recommended choices are: LR Genuine Springs & Shocks OME Standard Springs & OME or Ironman Shocks LR Genuine HD Springs & Bilstein Shocks OME HD Springs & OME or Ironman Shocks "The Choice Combination" "RN Recommended check" LR Genuine HD Springs & Bilstein Shocks. "For owners using their Land Rovers in a mix of commuting and off-roading. Perfect for vehicles running factory size tires up to 245/75-16 with a moderate appointment of off-road equipment". Disco I $580.00 Range 100" Classic $555.00 Rangie 100" Classic w/ Winch $555.00 OME HD Springs & OME Shocks. Our choice for owners using oversize tires combined with HD bumper winch combinations. Providing as much suspension lift as possible without exceeding factory specifications. Disco I Standard $589.000 Disco I HD $589.000 Steering Damper $69.00 Disco II Standard $589.000 Disco II HD $589.000 Rangie Classic Standard $589.000 Rangie Classic HD $589.000 Steering Damper $69.00 If what they say is correct then it looks like you have the best comfort, control & 4x4ing with the LR Genuine HD Springs & Bilstein Shocks Keith 69 Series IIa 109 97 Disco XD From bens Sun Feb 3 01:41:00 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g136f0x20220 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 01:41:00 -0500 Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 01:41:00 -0500 Message-Id: <200202030641.g136f0720216@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Polla Slade" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Ok respond to the bumper question Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Sure! Where do I send the axles? M >From: "Shane Ballensky" >Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >To: >Subject: Re: Ok respond to the bumper question >Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 17:41:33 -0500 > >----- Original Message ----- > > > > Heck, he could by my RR, and get the additional benefits of having ARB's [ 17 additional quoted lines pruned. ] _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From bens Sun Feb 3 02:53:17 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g137rHr21161 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 02:53:17 -0500 Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 02:53:16 -0500 Message-Id: <200202030753.g137rGm21157@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Gbrovers@aol.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: RE: Shock replacement Disco I Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In a message dated 2/1/02 2:49:36 PM, jpipes@csd.uwm.edu writes: << I can't see anything better than pairing shocks and springs made by the same brand, which OME can offer. Bilstein can not. From their site, OME's shocks are designed specifically to work with their springs, so the shocks are valved to match the spring characteristics. That is something that seems very important when considering a spring-shock combination. While castor angle may be what is effecting Chris with his 110, that doesn't address the earlier comment re: pairing different brand springs and shocks.>> Jason This is what manufacturers of both spring/shock combo's certainly want you to believe but here is some additional info to consider. OME products are manufactured in Australia. Even to this day approximately 90% of the roads there are unpaved, So it is not unusual to head off into the bush and literally spend hours and hours and even days on end driving wash board roads at relatively high speeds. Under these conditions you want a very soft and compliant suspension to soak up all of that rough road. In the USA, we have totally different conditions, 90% + of all roads are paved. As a result, what most folks do is drive at high speeds on interstate highways (or at least paved roads) and then go off roading. Most suspension choices involve a trade offs of some sort. OME shocks give you a softer ride but more body roll and less suspension control especially at higher speeds. Bilsteins give you a more controlled ride with less body roll etc. My experience with selling several hundred sets of these suspensions over the years is that for most folks an OME/Bilstein combo is a better setup for the conditions most people see in this country. This is in no way a criticism of OME shocks, they would certainly be my second choice and they certainly are a quality product and when thats what folks want I provide them. I just feel Bilsteins are an overall better choice. I sell both OME and Bilstein and actually have slightly more margin in OME's so I am not biased by not having both brands (like some vendors). Also bear in mind that ride quality is a subjective measurement. <> Certainly the Bilstein shocks folks are running in competition vehicles are not standard applications but they share the same basic technology (high pressure monotubes with deflective disc valving) as the standard shocks. Heres a little history, Bilstein invented the gas pressure gas shock in 1953. They were chosen as original equipment be Mercedes in 1957. Bilstein came to the US in 1963 when a competitor in the Baja 1000 bolted on a set of "stock" Mercedes shock absorbers made by Bilstein onto a VW based buggy. They won the race hands down and continued to win. Fairly soon everyone else was running Bilsteins too. The same thing happened in NASCAR in the early 80's. Also the 5100 series is not their basic shock, these are standard design shocks in extended lengths for modified suspensions. Currently a 5100 series shock is not offered for any Land Rover. The 7100 and 9100 shocks are the competition shocks that are offered with remote resevoirs, coil over springs, are rebuildable and tuneable etc I would agree with you that a standard Bilstein is not on par with standard OME, its actually above par! Bilsteins also come with a lifetime warranty compared to the OME, which has a either a12 or 24 month warranty (can't actually remember). Bill GBR From bens Sun Feb 3 02:55:16 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g137tGr21192 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 02:55:16 -0500 Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 02:55:16 -0500 Message-Id: <200202030755.g137tGZ21188@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Gbrovers@aol.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: RE: RE: Shock replacement Disco I Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In a message dated 2/1/02 3:03:04 PM, Peter@RailCarAmerica.com writes: << I'm going to back up a bit here because something that was mentioned earlier in this thread caught my interest. Castor angle? I've got OME springs and shocks on my 97 Disco. After installing them I noticed that it didn't track nearly as well at freeway speeds. Is this due to the castor angle. If so, what's the fix? Peter Peter Yes, the most cost effective fix is an OME castor correction kit. Bill GBR From bens Sun Feb 3 03:01:36 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1381aX21248 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 03:01:36 -0500 Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 03:01:35 -0500 Message-Id: <200202030801.g1381Zx21244@minbar.fourfold.org> From: aaron To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Rnage Rover PS box Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Zack, Believe it or not check RN. If I remember right they have a great price on rebuilts. Just looked it up and they are $325. Aaron Does anybody have a confirmed better than reality deal for Range Rover PS box replacement? I'm going to Britpac, Monday AM unless somebody has a better idea. I''d try A.P.E. , but I need to have one which leaks no more. Zack From bens Sun Feb 3 03:16:30 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g138GUj21322 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 03:16:30 -0500 Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 03:16:30 -0500 Message-Id: <200202030816.g138GUC21318@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Gbrovers@aol.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: RE: Shock replacement Disco I Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In a message dated 2/1/02 3:41:55 PM, jpipes@csd.uwm.edu writes: << Actually, OME has at least 8 variation of shock for use with MD/HD springs, each with different specs including valving to match the spring and the desired weight resistance/lift factor and planned offroad application. It was a process trying to determine which OME shocks and springs to match for use on our 110 as there were many combinations to choose from. jpipes >> Jason I mentioned in my last email that ride quality is a subjective measurement. What this means is that in my opinion, when you are designing or picking an alternate aftermarket suspension, you are not heading for a specific point but rather a fairly large circle. You can design the perfect suspesnion (again bearing in mind its perfect for you) for a unladen 110 and then when you decide to go on an extended camping trip and load the rig up with 1000lbs of gear, suddenly all of your criterion change and your perfect suspension isn't any more. The only thing wrong with your logic in the opening paragraph is that OME offers two basic springs front and rear in the USA for D90's. RR's, LWB RR's, Disco 1's, Disco 2's and D110 fronts. All of these vehicles have many different variations such as wheel base, vehicle weight, optional equipment etc. If you think that they have a specific spring for each specific vehicle, you are mistaken. Also OME doesn't offer 8 specific shock combinations for each spring combination. They have two, a soft and harder setting. The LTR's (long travel remotes) have the same valving and compressed/extended lengths. The only difference is they have remote resevoirs so I don't consider them a separate shock combo. Bill GBR P.S. don't take any of this as a criticism of OME/ARB. They are an excellent company selling excellent products but not every product they sell is perfect for all folks in all situations. From bens Sun Feb 3 13:10:09 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g13IA9Y24175 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 13:10:09 -0500 Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 13:10:08 -0500 Message-Id: <200202031810.g13IA8h24171@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Russ Potts To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: British Northwest Land Rover Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I have read posts concerning BNLR and how it is a business for people who have a lot of money to spend on their rover. Recently "Geraldine" was in need of a new distributor. After looking around, I found that the only business to sell rebuilt distributors, as I could not afford a new one, was British Northwest. Due to posts I had read I was a little apprehensive to do business with them. Well, to make a long story longer, I called and spoke with Charles Kellogg, who I believe is the owner. I found Charles to be very helpful and willing to deal with my financial situation, so I ordered the distributor and a few other miscellaneous parts. Once the parts arrived I began to install the distributor on Saturday. The distributor was not working, so I attempted to call the business and found it to be closed, I did not leave a message. About a hour later I received a call from Charles, who apparently got my number from caller ID. Charles was very understanding and helpful and got the problem worked out for me.( I had improperly connected a wire). I have dealt with many wonderful Land Rover people during my journey to bring Geraldine back to her former self, but I must say Charles went way beyond the call of duty, and I will certainly try him first in the future when ordering parts... Russ Potts and "Geraldine" '72 Series III Lake Tahoe CA From bens Sun Feb 3 13:14:20 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g13IEKo24219 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 13:14:20 -0500 Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 13:14:20 -0500 Message-Id: <200202031814.g13IEK824215@minbar.fourfold.org> From: FHY To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: British Northwest Land Rover Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Maybe he has realized that dissing potential customers is bad for business. He certainly has stepped up marketing recently (last year or so). Frank ----------------------------------------------------------- Russ Potts wrote: >I have read posts concerning BNLR and how it is a business for people who >have a lot of money to spend on their rover. > From bens Sun Feb 3 13:23:38 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g13INcL24314 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 13:23:38 -0500 Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 13:23:37 -0500 Message-Id: <200202031823.g13INb024310@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: British Northwest Land Rover Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Well, You were very lucky. The Best of luck in the future. He wanders in and out of reality. and Honesty. Bob B At 10:10 AM 2/3/2002, you wrote: >I have read posts concerning BNLR and how it is a business for people who >have a lot of money to spend on their rover. Recently "Geraldine" was in >need of a new distributor. After looking around, I found that the only >business to sell rebuilt distributors, as I could not afford a new one, was >British Northwest. Due to posts I had read I was a little apprehensive to >do business with them. Well, to make a long story longer, I called and >spoke with Charles Kellogg, who I believe is the owner. I found Charles to >be very helpful and willing to deal with my financial situation, so I >ordered the distributor and a few other miscellaneous parts. [ 16 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Sun Feb 3 14:19:33 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g13JJXQ24665 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 14:19:33 -0500 Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 14:19:32 -0500 Message-Id: <200202031919.g13JJWM24661@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Christopher H. Dow" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: British Northwest Land Rover Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi Russ, We're all glad you had a good experience which Charles, whom most of us call Corn Flakes. I think the general sentiment here is that we need to hear another seventy or eight good stories spread out over a reasonable amount time before his reputation is repaired within this group. C From bens Sun Feb 3 15:09:31 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g13K9V124973 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 15:09:31 -0500 Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 15:09:31 -0500 Message-Id: <200202032009.g13K9V824969@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Rich Williams" To: Subject: Re: British Northwest Land Rover Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > We're all glad you had a good experience which Charles, whom most of us > call Corn Flakes. I think the general sentiment here is that we need to > hear another seventy or eight good stories spread out over a reasonable > amount time before his reputation is repaired within this group. Ditto! Corn Flake ripped me off once, tried to di it a second time, and I've never been back since. It's a long story but does anyone need a Weber ICT carb with about 20-30 miles on it? Rich Williams Redmond, Washington From bens Sun Feb 3 15:22:08 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g13KM8V25072 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 15:22:08 -0500 Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 15:22:08 -0500 Message-Id: <200202032022.g13KM8725068@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Hope Peter" To: Subject: Re: British Northwest Land Rover Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I would never say that this particular company gave poor suport to ALL of it's customers. But with this recent addition I know of 3 positive reports versus well over 100 negative. The 100 is not an exageration either. Pete From bens Sun Feb 3 15:31:29 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g13KVTj25140 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 15:31:29 -0500 Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 15:31:29 -0500 Message-Id: <200202032031.g13KVTx25136@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Hope Peter" To: Subject: Re: British Northwest Land Rover Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > It's a long story but does anyone need a Weber ICT carb > with about 20-30 miles on it? > > Rich Williams What the heck is an ICT? BTW where you at the annual meeting yesterday? If so sorry we missed each other. After the meeting we drove along the 101 to get over to Tahuya to go off roading. Drove by cornflakes place. He has a 110 IIb outfront. Needless to say I didn't hear one positive comment from the group when we stopped for a brake and the IIb was mentioned. If he only sells a couple of his 109s for 55k a year I think he really doesn't much need to care about having a large customer base. My current dream is to do a top notch resto, take it to the Portland ABFM and take the blue ribbon from him. Then within hearing difference make sure it's known that the vehicle is available for a more reasonable price. I think I would do it even for a loss so long as I put him out of bussiness. :-) Pete From bens Sun Feb 3 18:10:13 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g13NADE26005 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 18:10:13 -0500 Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 18:10:13 -0500 Message-Id: <200202032310.g13NADH26001@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Rich Williams" To: Subject: CarFax Reports Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Just a note to everyone looking at buying another vehicle... I just finished looking for and ultimately purchasing a 1989 RR Classic and during this process found that the reports from carfax.com were pretty helpful. I bought a 2 month / unlimited subscription and ran about 2 dozen reports. Now my subscription is set to expire in about 5 weeks so I thought I would offer it's use to anyone out there looking for another Rover (or anything else). All you need to do is send me the VIN of the car you are interested in learning more about and I'll run the report and email it right back to you. I figure since it's already paid for we might as well get as much out of it as we can. Rover on... Rich Williams 1960 Series II 109SW (restoration in progress) 1989 Range Rover Classic From bens Sun Feb 3 22:45:12 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g143jCW27401 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 22:45:12 -0500 Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 22:45:12 -0500 Message-Id: <200202040345.g143jCI27397@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Zaxcoinc@aol.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Rnage Rover PS box Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset="US-ASCII" ] [ 12 lines filtered. ] In a message dated 2/2/02 10:32:04 PM Pacific Standard Time, amount@mail.earthlink.net writes: > Zack, > Believe it or not check RN. If I remember right they have a great > Muchisimo Gracias! Zack From bens Mon Feb 4 03:37:31 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g148bVO30039 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 4 Feb 2002 03:37:31 -0500 Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 03:37:30 -0500 Message-Id: <200202040837.g148bUE30035@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Biophilian@aol.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: British Northwest Land Rover Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hmmmmm. I suppose the "down economy" IS good for something. 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    *** From bens Mon Feb 4 12:41:35 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g14HfZM32744 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 4 Feb 2002 12:41:35 -0500 Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 12:41:34 -0500 Message-Id: <200202041741.g14HfYu32740@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Ok respond to the bumper question Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "...Certainly a stock LR brush bar would have been toast, as I nuked a stock one ( and part of my front end ) on a medium sized deer at 30 mph!!..." Ditto that! On the Cal 20 in TNF on my way to Mendo 2k. Also put on an ARB, also very happy with it's performance for my needs. However, I was always a little miffed that it was not boxed as well as the Defender version of the ARB. And I did see a fellow with a disco at the 2k national rally that hit a rock with the lower edge of one end of the ARB and bent the side section upward into the body work. My suspicions that it should have been boxed for better torsional rigidity were confirmed that day. Traded off the truck before I got a chance to do the mod though. -Dave G. From bens Mon Feb 4 13:02:27 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g14I2R400399 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 4 Feb 2002 13:02:27 -0500 Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 13:02:27 -0500 Message-Id: <200202041802.g14I2Rx00395@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: RE: RE: Shock replacement Disco I Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "...Peter Yes, the most cost effective fix is an OME castor correction kit. ...." Maybe for the short term, but the castor correcting bushings don't hold up as well to flexing due to the thinner wall on one side required to do the caster (like the shopping cart wheel, not castor like the oil) correction. Just something to be aware of. If your lift is permanent you might want to consider caster-corrected radius arms which are bent to restore the caster lost to a given degree of lift. -Dave G. From bens Mon Feb 4 13:28:55 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g14IStH00548 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 4 Feb 2002 13:28:55 -0500 Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 13:28:55 -0500 Message-Id: <200202041828.g14ISte00544@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Mills, Roy L" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: remove/delete this address, new address to follow Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Roy Mills Sr. Manager Boeing Aerospace Support Center Travis AFB Ca. (707)437-3175 From bens Mon Feb 4 14:11:46 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g14JBk700820 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 4 Feb 2002 14:11:46 -0500 Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 14:11:46 -0500 Message-Id: <200202041911.g14JBkT00816@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Rich Williams" To: Subject: Fw: [PCRC] 88 For Quick Sale Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Rich Williams '60 Series II 109 sw ----- Original Message ----- From: charles To: pcrc Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 9:30 AM Subject: [PCRC] 88 For Quick Sale Dear all. This Landy is originally from Hawaii, and has some rust. Some is penetrating in the footwells and on the door pillars. The engine turns over but I have not had the time to light it. The rear brakes seem to be seized. The vehicle seems pretty complete, but will obviously require lots of TLC. Five very wide wheels, WARN hubs, 48,000 miles showing.....original? Been around once? Who knows? Offered at $2,995.00 on a very quick sale. Call 360-866-2254. Send e-mail address for picture....... Thank you. Charles Kellogg The British Northwest Land-Rover Company. Olympia, WA, 98512. britishnw@land-roverco.com (360) 866 2254. ---- This is the Pacific Coast Rover Club mailing list. To send a msg: To unsubscribe: From bens Mon Feb 4 14:34:28 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g14JYS300926 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 4 Feb 2002 14:34:28 -0500 Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 14:34:27 -0500 Message-Id: <200202041934.g14JYRP00922@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kerner, Rob" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: Sighting Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org On my way to Sac. this morning, I passed a Series IIA 88, tan with hard top, fixed rear windows, a tailgate and liftgate in very nice condition, deluxe bonnet with no spare attached, doing around 70 MPH. Anyone here? -Rob From bens Mon Feb 4 14:41:35 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g14JfZf01001 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 4 Feb 2002 14:41:35 -0500 Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 14:41:35 -0500 Message-Id: <200202041941.g14JfZW00997@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: nice SF sighting... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Rob's sighting reminded me, on Sunday January 27th at about 3pm I spotted a beautiful tan 88 getting off the freeway at the 9th St exit in SoMa. It drove past the furniture store I was in. I don't recall/didn't notice a lot of details, but I did notice that it had a very prominent outline of the African continent painted on the passenger side door with what looked like routes mapped out. Very nice! Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 From bens Mon Feb 4 15:23:29 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g14KNTK01300 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 4 Feb 2002 15:23:29 -0500 Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 15:23:29 -0500 Message-Id: <200202042023.g14KNTm01296@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: RE: Shock replacement Disco I Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "....OME has at least 8 variation of shock for use with MD/HD springs, each with different specs including valving to match the spring and the desired weight resistance/lift factor and planned offroad application..." WOW! That would be truely exceptional. They must have one HUGE application catalog if they have multiple valving scenarios for every vehicle/spring/weight/lift combination. I can't imagine having to keep track of such a thing in production..... Here's another question. How does one go about designing a shock valving setup for off-road use? Some folks have re-valvable shocks, or at least ranchos. What are the performance parameters and test conditions you use to determine the best jounce and rebound damping for given conditions? I have to use my trucks mostly on-road, so I just "run what I brung" off road. But I know some of you have dedicated (or nearly so) off-road rigs that can be set up properly. How do you do it? -Dave G. From bens Mon Feb 4 16:42:18 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g14LgIS01819 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 4 Feb 2002 16:42:18 -0500 Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 16:42:18 -0500 Message-Id: <200202042142.g14LgIw01815@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Freeman, Ben" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Divorce sale urgent! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org FYI!!! FYI!! Divorce sale- Please help me clean out my small shop near my old home due to much needed capital I will have to clean out a small 10 x 20 space I have for cost cutting. I will prefer to eliminate all the S2a parts personally however anything inside is fair game. All prices are my usually cheap deal. In person gets first dibs..first come first serve. An yes you will be adding and abedding a criminal..depending upon who you talk to. So here's my contact info... Benjamin Freeman P.O. Box 236 Hoquiam, WA 98550 (360)580-1585 message # (360)532-2015 home personal number. (360)538-1033 work # M-F 0600-1400 Bulk sales welcome.. From bens Mon Feb 4 17:45:55 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g14Mjtp02162 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 4 Feb 2002 17:45:55 -0500 Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 17:45:55 -0500 Message-Id: <200202042245.g14Mjtu02158@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: garage/work space available for LRs in SF! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I just got in contact with a fellow who has a secure 1500 sq ft garage for parking and working on vehicles. He is renting two spaces in it for a very reasonable amount. Petra and I are likely going to take one, but the other is still available. The garage is located at 21st and Valencia in the Mission. The owner is English and is currently restoring some Jags and also goes offroad with an International Harvester (we can change that). Apparently they have a cherry picker and other assorted tools and gizmos for use of people renting. Sounds like a great deal. If anyone is interested I can forward you the contact info ASAP. It would be great to have another SF area LR in the same garage space! Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 From bens Mon Feb 4 18:37:57 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g14NbvM02447 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 4 Feb 2002 18:37:57 -0500 Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 18:37:57 -0500 Message-Id: <200202042337.g14NbvI02443@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Tom Walsh" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: nice SF sighting... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org While were on sightings :) I spotted a white D110 heading south on I5 between 4:00-5:00 pm somewhere between Patterson and I205. I was in the opposite direction in a friends Pickup with two Trials Bikes in the back ( like ya woulda noticed it ? :) TomW *---------*---------* tomw@fluentnet.com, www.fluentnet.com From bens Mon Feb 4 18:40:43 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g14NehD02485 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 4 Feb 2002 18:40:43 -0500 Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 18:40:43 -0500 Message-Id: <200202042340.g14Nehj02481@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Tom Walsh" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: garage/work space available for LRs in SF! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Sounds neat, but its a bit of a drive to pick up my Rover in the morning :) TomW > > > I just got in contact with a fellow who has a secure 1500 sq ft garage for > parking and working on vehicles. He is renting two spaces in it for a > very reasonable amount. Petra and I are likely going to take one, but the > other is still available. > > The garage is located at 21st and Valencia in the Mission. The owner is > English and is currently restoring some Jags and also goes offroad with an [ 15 additional quoted lines pruned. ] *---------*---------* tomw@fluentnet.com, www.fluentnet.com From bens Mon Feb 4 19:51:45 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g150pj302853 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 4 Feb 2002 19:51:45 -0500 Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 19:51:44 -0500 Message-Id: <200202050051.g150pi402849@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Tom Walsh" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: off topic, MIA gets honored Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org http://www.3-5cav-blackknights.com/MIA_Swanson.htm My wifes uncle got the congressional medal of honor for giving his life in Cambodia/Vietnam. I figured I'd honor him some more by letting others I knew look at his heroics! TomW *---------*---------* tomw@fluentnet.com, www.fluentnet.com From bens Mon Feb 4 20:11:30 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g151BU002969 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 4 Feb 2002 20:11:30 -0500 Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 20:11:30 -0500 Message-Id: <200202050111.g151BUv02965@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Rich Williams" To: Subject: Re: off topic, MIA gets honored Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >I figured I'd honor him some more by letting others I knew look at > his heroics! > TomW Good idea - thank you. - Rich Williams From bens Mon Feb 4 21:11:20 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g152BK703278 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 4 Feb 2002 21:11:20 -0500 Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 21:11:20 -0500 Message-Id: <200202050211.g152BK203274@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jeff Rogers To: Mendo Recce List Subject: Shannon Holland: Call me! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org W 408.790.4060 H 408.867.3419 From bens Mon Feb 4 23:21:38 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g154LcL03938 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 4 Feb 2002 23:21:38 -0500 Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 23:21:38 -0500 Message-Id: <200202050421.g154Lck03934@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Blair Peterson" To: "Mendo (E-mail)" Subject: Watusi? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; ] [ 26 lines filtered. ] charset="iso-8859-1" Matt, The guy that sold John the pretty blue 109 was me! I loved that truck! Thanks for the convergence note, Chris. It is not the first one with Watusi.. Cheers. From bens Mon Feb 4 23:33:15 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g154XFQ04003 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 4 Feb 2002 23:33:15 -0500 Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 23:33:15 -0500 Message-Id: <200202050433.g154XFw03999@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Blair Peterson" To: "Mendo (E-mail)" Subject: Tahoe SIII 88 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; ] [ 31 lines filtered. ] charset="iso-8859-1" Russ, There used to be a RHD SIII (I think) 88 parked on Squaw Valley Road, near the stables. Is/was that you? Cheers, Blair (with a 110 or--rarely--a 109 parked in Squaw on Forest Glen Road) From bens Mon Feb 4 23:36:02 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g154a2b04036 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 4 Feb 2002 23:36:02 -0500 Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 23:36:01 -0500 Message-Id: <200202050436.g154a1p04032@minbar.fourfold.org> From: StevHutch@aol.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Gas Shocks Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset="US-ASCII" ] [ 21 lines filtered. ] Bill.. My off-road VW experiences have been mainly with the KYB brand Nitrogen gas shocks ..marked with the Dr. DeCarbon moniker...what was his role in the gas shock technology history? Also I run the Rancho mid-range shocks (RS5000) for my Series III 88" ...whats your take on those compared to Bilstein/Rover HD/ OME ? They have an application now for the newer RS9000 for Defenders (Discos and the rear only of 109" 1 tons) , that also offers remote-in the car adjustment...wouldn't that be the hot setup....just dial it in based on the terrain! http://www.gorancho.com/products/shocks_1.stm - Steve H > Heres a little history, Bilstein invented the gas pressure gas shock in > 1953. > They were chosen as original equipment be Mercedes in 1957. Bilstein came > to > the US in 1963 when a competitor in the Baja 1000 bolted on a set of > "stock" > From bens Tue Feb 5 01:14:04 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g156E4Q05630 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 5 Feb 2002 01:14:04 -0500 Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 01:14:03 -0500 Message-Id: <200202050614.g156E3p05626@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "jeanne chung" To: "Mendo" Subject: lev-o-gage Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org does anyone know where i can find a lev-o-gage-type clinometer that is shaped like a thin stripe (skinny rectangle)? the only one i can find is the lev-o-gage which may be difficult to mount in the dsii dash. thx jc ================= jeanne chung (415)652-8922 jeanne@alum.mit.edu From bens Tue Feb 5 01:32:46 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g156WkS05744 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 5 Feb 2002 01:32:46 -0500 Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 01:32:46 -0500 Message-Id: <200202050632.g156WkS05740@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Peter Ogilvie" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: lev-o-gage Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Have you tried marine stores like West Marine??? Aloha Peter O. >From: "jeanne chung" >does anyone know where i can find a lev-o-gage-type clinometer that is >shaped like a thin stripe (skinny rectangle)? the only one i can find is >the lev-o-gage which may be difficult to mount in the dsii dash. >thx >jc _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From bens Tue Feb 5 01:34:05 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g156Y5M05758 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 5 Feb 2002 01:34:05 -0500 Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 01:34:05 -0500 Message-Id: <200202050634.g156Y5f05754@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Daniel Oppenheim To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: lev-o-gage Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org try west marine...... At 01:14 AM 02/05/2002 -0500, you wrote: From bens Tue Feb 5 02:31:38 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g157VcA06099 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 5 Feb 2002 02:31:38 -0500 Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 02:31:38 -0500 Message-Id: <200202050731.g157VcD06095@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: garage/work space available - GREAT! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org FYI, I saw the work space tonight that is available in SF - it's GREAT and the people there right now are awesome. Lots of space, plenty of room for our lifted 110, very friendly group that is very interested in having Rovers in the shop, plenty of space for storage of gear and parts, etc. I've had one person mention being interested so far who'll get first dibs (we're in and looking for another LR'r) but should they not be interested, the spot will be available. Let us know if you're intersted. It's 325 a month and comes with access to a full range of tools and equipment! Heck, now we can even have Rover fix it parties!! Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 From bens Tue Feb 5 12:05:51 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g15H5pJ08847 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 5 Feb 2002 12:05:51 -0500 Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 12:05:50 -0500 Message-Id: <200202051705.g15H5ob08843@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Gbrovers@aol.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Gas Shocks Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In a message dated 2/4/02 8:06:49 PM, StevHutch@aol.com writes: << My off-road VW experiences have been mainly with the KYB brand Nitrogen gas shocks ..marked with the Dr. DeCarbon moniker...what was his role in the gas shock technology history? Also I run the Rancho mid-range shocks (RS5000) for my Series III 88" ...whats your take on those compared to Bilstein/Rover HD/ OME ? They have an application now for the newer RS9000 for Defenders (Discos and the rear only of 109" 1 tons) , that also offers remote-in the car adjustment...wouldn't that be the hot setup....just dial it in based on the terrain! http://www.gorancho.com/products/shocks_1.stm - Steve H > Heres a little history, Bilstein invented the gas pressure gas shock in > 1953. > They were chosen as original equipment be Mercedes in 1957. Bilstein came > to > the US in 1963 when a competitor in the Baja 1000 bolted on a set of > "stock" > Steve Bilstein and DeCarbon jointly developed the gas shock and jointly held the patent for a time. Bilstein aggressively went into motorsports and did more development work although DeCarbon did continue to market shock absorbers. You can actually buy DeCarbon shock absorbers although to my knowledge they are not available in the US. They do have an application for coil sprung Rovers and a UK company does sell a suspension package utilizing them but I can't rememeber who it is off hand. If the KYB's had a Decarbon moniker on them, it means that they were a high pressure gas monotube. there is a big difference between a high pressure monotube and a normal low pressure gas shock. I'm not wild about Rancho's personally. Many American shocks suffer from far more money being spent on their advertising instead of engineering. The feedback I've gotton back on Rancho's is that they do not last very long if you use them hard. The adjustability sounds like a neat feature but hard to access (on a coiler) so most folks end up not using it. The in cab adjustability is easier to use but deflective disc valving found on high pressure monotube shocks in self adjusting within the parameters of the initial valving Bill GBR From bens Tue Feb 5 16:28:39 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g15LSd910147 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 5 Feb 2002 16:28:39 -0500 Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 16:28:39 -0500 Message-Id: <200202052128.g15LSdY10143@minbar.fourfold.org> From: StevHutch@aol.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Snow Day! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset="US-ASCII" ] [ 10 lines filtered. ] Meant to post this last week...a link to a pic of my Rover up in the snow from last monday. Well actually the snow came to us...in Petaluma.. http://home.attbi.com/~stevhutch/snow/snowday.jpg I like how you can see in the background.. A) snow in the top of the palm tree, B) a snowman on the lawn acrooss the street. - Steve H From bens Tue Feb 5 17:48:24 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g15MmOs10572 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 5 Feb 2002 17:48:24 -0500 Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 17:48:23 -0500 Message-Id: <200202052248.g15MmNY10568@minbar.fourfold.org> From: James Howard To: "mendo_recce@fourfold.org" Subject: Land Rover vs. KPMG Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Check out http://www.e4engineering.com/item.asp?id=44588&type=Comment&ch=e4_home From bens Tue Feb 5 18:08:46 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g15N8kt10682 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 5 Feb 2002 18:08:46 -0500 Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 18:08:46 -0500 Message-Id: <200202052308.g15N8kM10678@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Matt Wilson To: "Mendo_Recce (E-mail)" Subject: Rusty is back on the road Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I got Rusty back from the Auto body shop today. 29 days and $3500 bucks the rear corner looks great. Not perfect but really good. I was surprised at how well they matched the paint. Any way I hope to make it to Mendo this year so you might see the quality of the work yourself. Matt W Sightings: brand new Black G wagon parked at the company next door. From bens Wed Feb 6 00:13:19 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g165DJU13015 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 6 Feb 2002 00:13:19 -0500 Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 00:13:18 -0500 Message-Id: <200202060513.g165DIH13011@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "jeanne chung" To: "Mendo" Subject: RE: nice SF Sightings Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org tom, probably one of the three 110's that participated in the nevada trophy last weekend. finished up on sunday. one of the guys lives down south ... was it followed (or led) by a white D90? and, i don't want to open a can of worms here (regarding ncrc and nvtr/mike green) but, if any of you were wondering, i volunteered/marshalled at nvtr this year as i was lacking a navigator among other things. and it was a blast(1). 22 cars competed. 3 110's, many defenders, one series and the rest were various disco's and rr's. the winners included a former camel trophy driver (i think from '96). if you want to see the pix i took, check out the following links: THUR NITE random parking lot shots: http://www.photoaccess.com/share/guest.jsp?ID=AD9FF232F9B&cb=PA FRI leaving the hotel: http://www.photoaccess.com/share/guest.jsp?ID=AE6F9332F9B&cb=PA FRI Trophy Course: http://www.photoaccess.com/share/guest.jsp?ID=AE662C22F9B&cb=PA FRI afternoon: http://www.photoaccess.com/share/guest.jsp?ID=AE5CB732F9B&cb=PA SAT morning mtg pt: http://www.photoaccess.com/share/guest.jsp?ID=AE49DB32F9B&cb=PA SAT canyon etc: http://www.photoaccess.com/share/guest.jsp?ID=ADC5B332F9B&cb=PA SAT afternoon on the trails: http://www.photoaccess.com/share/guest.jsp?ID=ADBC4532F9B&cb=PA SUN pix of winners: http://www.photoaccess.com/share/guest.jsp?ID=ADB2DE22F9B&cb=PA -jc ================= jeanne chung (415)652-8922 jeanne@alum.mit.edu =========================================== Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 18:37:57 -0500 From: "Tom Walsh" Subject: Re: nice SF sighting... While were on sightings :) I spotted a white D110 heading south on I5 between 4:00-5:00 pm somewhere between Patterson and I205. I was in the opposite direction in a friends Pickup with two Trials Bikes in the back ( like ya woulda noticed it ? :) TomW *---------*---------* tomw@fluentnet.com, www.fluentnet.com ------------------------------ ================= jeanne chung (415)652-8922 jeanne@alum.mit.edu From bens Wed Feb 6 03:47:31 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g168lVL14698 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 6 Feb 2002 03:47:31 -0500 Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 03:47:30 -0500 Message-Id: <200202060847.g168lUX14694@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jeff Rogers To: Mendo Recce List Subject: URGENT: Mendo needs help this weekend! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hello all: I know this is short notice, but the NCRC needs to send at least five people to Mendo this Saturday. The Forest Service is asking that we help plant new vegetation in the burn area near Fouts Springs. This is always important work, but this weekend is especially important as the Forest Service has arranged for media coverage. Awards will also be handed out to the volunteers. I urge everyone with the time to come out help the NCRC prove that responsible off-roading is an important Please contact me ASAP if you will be able to make it. I need to let the Forest Service know in advance how many people we will be sending. I would like to call them tomorrow afternoon and commit our resources. I can be reached at president@norcalrover.org, (408)790-4060 (W) or (408) 867-3419 (H). -->Jeff >From the Forest Service: As a perspective volunteer, we are sending you this announcement to let you know that the scheduled workday will be 02/09/02, beginning at the Fouts Springs Nail Track at 9:00 a.m. You will need to bring sturdy footwear and gloves, warm cloths, raingear, eye protection if you have it and a hearty lunch. The Forest Service will supply hardhats unless you have your own. We will be breaking into small groups with a mission in mind, and plan on working as long as you wish on this date, so bring a hardy lunch. Most of the labor is relatively heavy so we would like no more that 5-10 of your best from each club, group or organization to help in this effort. Our primary task will be to plant native vegetation throughout the burned over area and finish fertilizing and straw mulching. If any volunteer has a small Bobcat type rubber tired tractor with an auger we will pay for the fuel. This will make the planting much easier to accomplish. Tools we would like you to bring, if available, are hay hooks posthole diggers, shovels and a strong back. We may also need some 4x4 pickups to transport people to work sites. The Forest Service will work hard to deliver most of the material and supplies to the locations where it¹s needed prior to your arrival. Upon completion of your volunteer assignment a non-monetary award will be awarded to each participant. We will be sure to have some media coverage and representatives from the Blue Ribbon Coalition, American Motorcyclist¹s Association and California Off - Road Association. We should also have good representation from the paraglider and hang glider community. From bens Wed Feb 6 11:34:28 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g16GYSp17074 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 6 Feb 2002 11:34:28 -0500 Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 11:34:28 -0500 Message-Id: <200202061634.g16GYSh17070@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: nice SF Sightings Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org At 09:13 PM 2/5/2002, you wrote: >it was a >blast(1). 22 cars competed. 3 110's, many defenders, one series and the rest >were various disco's and rr's. the winners included a former camel trophy >driver (i think from '96). Was the Trophy driver Lea Magee? Bob B From bens Wed Feb 6 12:40:03 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g16He3P17429 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 6 Feb 2002 12:40:03 -0500 Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 12:40:03 -0500 Message-Id: <200202061740.g16He3R17425@minbar.fourfold.org> From: john hess To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: stubby and a free shirt Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi all, Everyone sort of knows the saga of Stubby. Latest scoop: as the engine was going in, I contemplated buying a new tranny. However, for $3K from BP, I decided not to. Then a rebuilt tranny with high ratio xfer case was the deal of the day at BP and I decided to buy it (since Stubby's tranyy was definitely worse than before being pulled out and having a new engine in front). As an example of what BP will do, they offered to deliver the tranny for free. In fact, the next afternoon, it was sitting in my driveway. All I need to do know is pull the old one and install the new one. BP also left a couple tee shirts with the tranny, and one is an adult small. Anyone have a kid this would fit? Send me an email with your snail mail address and it's yours. cheers, John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Land Rover Dormobile web pages: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby" 1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" 1999 Bianchi Milano, 2001 Bianchi Pista From bens Wed Feb 6 13:34:49 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g16IYnm17740 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 6 Feb 2002 13:34:49 -0500 Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 13:34:48 -0500 Message-Id: <200202061834.g16IYmU17736@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: stubby and a free shirt Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi John, So how is the engine going now? Or aren't you driving it yet. Bob B At 09:40 AM 2/6/2002, you wrote: >Hi all, > >Everyone sort of knows the saga of Stubby. Latest scoop: as the >engine was going in, I contemplated buying a new tranny. However, >for $3K from BP, I decided not to. Then a rebuilt tranny with high >ratio xfer case was the deal of the day at BP and I decided to buy it >(since Stubby's tranyy was definitely worse than before being pulled >out and having a new engine in front). As an example of what BP will >do, they offered to deliver the tranny for free. In fact, the next [ 16 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Wed Feb 6 16:07:20 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g16L7KY18520 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 6 Feb 2002 16:07:20 -0500 Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 16:07:20 -0500 Message-Id: <200202062107.g16L7KA18516@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Hannaford, Morgan" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: Original BritPac owner? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I had a bizarre encounter this morning. I was at my local gunshop this morning and a fellow walks in and asks "is that your Rover out there"? He then introduces himself as the fellow who started British Pacific in Pasadena back in the '70s. He currently owns the Oak Run Store and runs an auto repair shop out of Oak Run called "The Shop". Oak Run is about 40 minutes east of Redding. I missed his name....but he said his mechanic from the Pasedena days still works for him, and he still likes to work on Rovers. Wierd that Shasta and Trinity County is the refuge for former Land-Rover service providers. Tom Gannon and the late Dave Hudson (of the defunkt Atlantic British) live in Lewiston...about 40 minutes west of Redding. Good thing I work on my own truck!! -Mo From bens Wed Feb 6 18:01:46 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g16N1ks19181 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 6 Feb 2002 18:01:46 -0500 Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 18:01:45 -0500 Message-Id: <200202062301.g16N1j119177@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Brian Horner To: , Subject: FYI Land Rover News Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Jaguar, Land Rover Consolidating http://www.roverme.org/article.php?sid=17&mode=thread&order=0 ------------------------ http://www.roverme.org "Land Rover community, links and email services." From bens Wed Feb 6 18:13:10 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g16NDAN19269 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 6 Feb 2002 18:13:10 -0500 Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 18:13:09 -0500 Message-Id: <200202062313.g16ND9J19265@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: FYI Land Rover News Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Interesting news... Athough the article said that dealerships won't be forced to combine, I'm sure many more will resulting in an even further skew away from the heritage of Land Rover and towards luxury/status as the main focus, more so. I wonder if this means that you could test drive a new Jaguar on the "adventure track" that some LR dealers have on their lots? Now that would be interesting! Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 From bens Wed Feb 6 18:35:27 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g16NZRZ19394 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 6 Feb 2002 18:35:27 -0500 Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 18:35:27 -0500 Message-Id: <200202062335.g16NZR219390@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Tom Walsh" To: d90@yahoogroups.com Subject: 3.9/3.5L Connecting rod Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Sorry to cross post: I just talked to the shop rebuilding my 3.5L engine and they were about ready to start re-assembly and the determined one of the connecting rods was bent. I called BP and they can get a new one for $125 in a couple of days.... Does anyone out there have one? the 3.5 and 3.9 are interchangeable. Thanks TomW *---------*---------* tomw@fluentnet.com, www.fluentnet.com From bens Wed Feb 6 18:45:38 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g16NjcM19454 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 6 Feb 2002 18:45:38 -0500 Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 18:45:38 -0500 Message-Id: <200202062345.g16Njcq19450@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Tom Walsh" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: nice SF Sightings Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > > tom, > probably one of the three 110's that participated in the nevada trophy last > weekend. finished up on sunday. one of the guys lives down south ... was it > followed (or led) by a white D90? I didn't see that, but only caught a glimpse of the 110 as it was! I was slated to run this year, but the other truck dropped out because of such short notice and lack of planning on our part! next year! TomW > *---------*---------* tomw@fluentnet.com, www.fluentnet.com From bens Wed Feb 6 19:02:42 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1702g219549 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 6 Feb 2002 19:02:42 -0500 Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 19:02:42 -0500 Message-Id: <200202070002.g1702gm19545@minbar.fourfold.org> From: joe mulqueen To: mendo Subject: re. URGENT: Mendo needs help Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I'll do this! If any one wants to ride along in a leather seated light green 109 station wagon station wagon, let me know. I'm good for either a Sat "dawn patrol" departure or head out Fri afternoon and camp up at the trail with hot coffee on the Coleman in the morning. Joe Mulqueen '67 SIIA 109 SW Cotati, CA 408-348-3688 cell Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 03:47:30 -0500 From: Jeff Rogers Subject: URGENT: Mendo needs help this weekend! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com From bens Wed Feb 6 19:26:38 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g170QcR19671 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 6 Feb 2002 19:26:38 -0500 Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 19:26:38 -0500 Message-Id: <200202070026.g170QcK19667@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jeff Rogers To: Mendo Recce List Subject: Re: re. URGENT: Mendo needs help Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Great! Fil Figueroa might want a ride. I plan to drive up on Friday, leaving sometime around 3pm from the Bay Area. I'll be camping somewhere close to the meeting location - I'll post that info tomorrow after I've had time to look at the map. -->Jeff on 2/6/02 4:02 PM, joe mulqueen at joemulqueen@yahoo.com wrote: > > I'll do this! If any one wants to ride along in a > leather seated light green 109 station wagon station > wagon, let me know. I'm good for either a Sat "dawn > patrol" departure or head out Fri afternoon and camp > up at the trail with hot coffee on the Coleman in the > morning. > Joe Mulqueen > '67 SIIA 109 SW [ 2 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Wed Feb 6 19:35:09 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g170Z9h19711 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 6 Feb 2002 19:35:09 -0500 Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 19:35:08 -0500 Message-Id: <200202070035.g170Z8R19707@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Tom Walsh" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: re. URGENT: Mendo needs help Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I can't do Saturday, it would better if it was Sunday! TomW > > I'll do this! If any one wants to ride along in a > leather seated light green 109 station wagon station > wagon, let me know. I'm good for either a Sat "dawn > patrol" departure or head out Fri afternoon and camp > up at the trail with hot coffee on the Coleman in the > morning. > Joe Mulqueen > '67 SIIA 109 SW [ 16 additional quoted lines pruned. ] *---------*---------* tomw@fluentnet.com, www.fluentnet.com From bens Wed Feb 6 19:35:43 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g170Zhv19738 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 6 Feb 2002 19:35:43 -0500 Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 19:35:42 -0500 Message-Id: <200202070035.g170ZgO19734@minbar.fourfold.org> From: joe mulqueen To: mendo Subject: Goodyear good buddy Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I visited my friendly Goodyear tire dealer (the manager) to look at 235-85x16 tires for my 109. He showed me his Goodyear "all terrain" tires on display. I coyly asked him if Goodyear had tires with a more aggressive tread and he said no that's it. I told him I was considering more of a MT tire and then he "oh yeah" remembered the Goodyear MTR tire. He doesn't carry them but he could get a set of 4 for $1,200 "out the door". I walked "out the door"… Joe Mulqueen SIIA 109 SW 109 SW Cotati, CA __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com From bens Wed Feb 6 20:19:17 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g171JHi19952 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 6 Feb 2002 20:19:17 -0500 Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 20:19:16 -0500 Message-Id: <200202070119.g171JGQ19948@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Polla Slade" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Goodyear good buddy Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Joe, I'm getting some of the new BFG Krawler tires for my S1. If you haven't seen them yet, go to Pirate4x4.com and do a search in the message boards for BFG Krawler. They are somewhere between a BFG MT and a Super Swamper. I'm trying to get 245/75/15's for my beadlock rims. I'm SURE they'll be a tad less than 1200 clams. ;) A buddy of mine just got the Geolanders and he's out wheeling them right now. Another friend did get the Goodyear MTR's and he LOVES them. 1200 was worthy of an about face and a quick trip out. Good luck! Michael >From: joe mulqueen >Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >To: mendo >Subject: Goodyear good buddy >Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 19:35:42 -0500 > >I visited my friendly Goodyear tire dealer (the >manager) to look at 235-85x16 tires for my 109. He >showed me his Goodyear "all terrain" tires on display. [ 16 additional quoted lines pruned. ] _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From bens Wed Feb 6 20:26:40 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g171QeO20018 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 6 Feb 2002 20:26:40 -0500 Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 20:26:39 -0500 Message-Id: <200202070126.g171Qdm20014@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Shane Ballensky" To: Subject: Re: Goodyear good buddy Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org try: The link will probally wrap, so you'll have to cut and paste but basically the MTR in 235/85/16 are $132. each Shane ----- Original Message ----- From: joe mulqueen To: mendo Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2002 4:35 PM Subject: Goodyear good buddy > > I visited my friendly Goodyear tire dealer (the > manager) to look at 235-85x16 tires for my 109. He > showed me his Goodyear "all terrain" tires on display. > I coyly asked him if Goodyear had tires with a more > aggressive tread and he said no that's it. I told him > I was considering more of a MT tire and then he "oh > yeah" remembered the Goodyear MTR tire. He doesn't > carry them but he could get a set of 4 for $1,200 [ 1 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Wed Feb 6 21:30:52 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g172Uqs20342 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 6 Feb 2002 21:30:52 -0500 Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 21:30:52 -0500 Message-Id: <200202070230.g172Uqg20338@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Mehdi Saghafi" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Goodyear good buddy Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I got the same crap at my local shop. Some 250+ per tire!!! Cooper or BFG are much more reasonable. -- From bens Wed Feb 6 23:24:01 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g174O1N20873 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 6 Feb 2002 23:24:01 -0500 Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 23:24:01 -0500 Message-Id: <200202070424.g174O1820869@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Granville Pool" To: Subject: Re: Goodyear good buddy Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Joe, You should be able to get Goodyear Workhorse Extra Grip (commercial traction) tires in size 235-85x16. That's what I have on my pickup (in smaller size) and they were relatively cheap. Granny From bens Wed Feb 6 23:26:17 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g174QHk20912 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 6 Feb 2002 23:26:17 -0500 Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 23:26:17 -0500 Message-Id: <200202070426.g174QHJ20908@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Granville Pool" To: Subject: Re: Original BritPac owner? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Mo wrote: > I had a bizarre encounter this morning. [snip] > He then introduces himself as the fellow who started British Pacific > in Pasadena back in the '70s. He currently owns the Oak Run Store [snip] > I missed his name Hugh Stewart, as I recall. Granny From bens Thu Feb 7 00:50:08 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g175o8Y22394 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 7 Feb 2002 00:50:08 -0500 Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 00:50:08 -0500 Message-Id: <200202070550.g175o8Y22390@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Biophilian@aol.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Goodyear good buddy Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Joe, Just go to tirerack.com. I bought 5 MT/Rs in 235/85 for $736.19, which includes UPS shipping. (Since then I've figured out that if you just call their 1-800 number, and ask them to do the 3-day FEd-Ex it's cheaper (and faster) than UPS Ground.) Also, I made the mistake of having them mounted at Goodyear and got shafted for around $150, even though they were just putting them on new steel wheels that weren't on the truck. Les Schwab just mounted and balanced 2 R/Ts (my winter tires) for $24 and they had to jack up the truck, remove the alloys, etc.... To hell with Goodyear's retail stores--they're way too greedy!!!! Kevan From bens Thu Feb 7 01:24:13 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g176ODS22550 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 7 Feb 2002 01:24:13 -0500 Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 01:24:12 -0500 Message-Id: <200202070624.g176OC322546@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Tom Walsh" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Goodyear good buddy Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I got 6 Michelen "X" industrial tires ( about 35" ) for my Dually F350, or 5 37x12.5x15 swamper boggers for that price... I hope you didn't walk out of the dealer, but ran! :) TomW > > Joe, > > You should be able to get Goodyear Workhorse Extra Grip (commercial > traction) tires in size 235-85x16. That's what I have on my pickup (in > smaller size) and they were relatively cheap. > > > Granny [ 3 additional quoted lines pruned. ] *---------*---------* tomw@fluentnet.com, www.fluentnet.com From bens Thu Feb 7 10:55:25 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g17FtPM25132 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 7 Feb 2002 10:55:25 -0500 Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 10:55:24 -0500 Message-Id: <200202071555.g17FtOf25128@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Original BritPac owner? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi, My son Wes lived east of Redding and knew him. I think Hugh sounds right. Wes moved to Mass for a year or so and is back up there north of Redding now. He towed his 59-88 across the country both times. Bob B At 01:07 PM 2/6/2002, you wrote: >I had a bizarre encounter this morning. >I was at my local gunshop this morning and a fellow walks in >and asks "is that your Rover out there"? >He then introduces himself as the fellow who started British Pacific >in Pasadena back in the '70s. He currently owns the Oak Run Store >and runs an auto repair shop out of Oak Run called "The Shop". >Oak Run is about 40 minutes east of Redding. >I missed his name....but he said his mechanic from the Pasedena >days still works for him, and he still likes to work on Rovers. [ 9 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Thu Feb 7 11:00:21 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g17G0L925180 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 7 Feb 2002 11:00:21 -0500 Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 11:00:21 -0500 Message-Id: <200202071600.g17G0LI25176@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Goodyear good buddy Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi, Your comment about Goodyear stores being too greedy reminds me of a few encounters with Firestone stores. No matter why you were there, they would always find bad shocks and if inspecting brakes (free inspection) they would say wow this is dangerous I can't touch this car and put it back on the road without a complete brake job. Of course it would need several brake drums too. They got sues by several state atty generals for deceptive practices. Les Schwab store have a great attitude and seem to be quite honest. Bob B At 09:50 PM 2/6/2002, you wrote: >Joe, > Also, I made the mistake of having them mounted at >Goodyear and got shafted for around $150, even though they were just putting >them on new steel wheels that weren't on the truck. Les Schwab just mounted >and balanced 2 R/Ts (my winter tires) for $24 and they had to jack up the >truck, remove the alloys, etc.... To hell with Goodyear's retail >stores--they're way too greedy!!!! > >Kevan From bens Thu Feb 7 12:01:05 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g17H15325549 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 7 Feb 2002 12:01:05 -0500 Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 12:01:05 -0500 Message-Id: <200202071701.g17H15325545@minbar.fourfold.org> From: john hess To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: stubby and a free shirt Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org The engine is going very well. I bought a high ratio transfer case because I thought it would pull it and personal experience was that I was changing gears much faster than before. (Meaning that Stubby accelerated well and I just didn't stay in gear very long.) Now Stubby has a broken starter solenoid, something I didn't change with the engine work. Oh well. cheers, >Hi John, >So how is the engine going now? Or aren't you driving it yet. > >Bob B > >At 09:40 AM 2/6/2002, you wrote: > > >Hi all, > > [ 8 additional quoted lines pruned. ] John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Land Rover Dormobile web pages: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby" 1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" 1999 Bianchi Milano, 2001 Bianchi Pista From bens Thu Feb 7 12:08:23 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g17H8NQ25593 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 7 Feb 2002 12:08:23 -0500 Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 12:08:23 -0500 Message-Id: <200202071708.g17H8NK25589@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Matt Wilson To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: stubby and a free shirt Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org John wrote: The engine is going very well. I bought a high ratio transfer case because I thought it would pull it Hi John, When you get stubby going again I would be very interested to hear a first person report of the High ratio Transfer case and its use with a 2.25 lump. Matt W, who was nearly run off the on ramp this morning, From bens Thu Feb 7 12:17:15 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g17HHFb25665 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 7 Feb 2002 12:17:15 -0500 Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 12:17:15 -0500 Message-Id: <200202071717.g17HHFw25661@minbar.fourfold.org> From: john hess To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: stubby and a free shirt Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org You and everyone else will, I promise. >John wrote: The engine is going very well. I bought a high ratio transfer >case because I thought it would pull it > > >Hi John, > >When you get stubby going again I would be very interested to hear a first >person report of the High ratio Transfer case and its use with a 2.25 lump. > [ 1 additional quoted lines pruned. ] John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Land Rover Dormobile web pages: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby" 1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" 1999 Bianchi Milano, 2001 Bianchi Pista From bens Thu Feb 7 12:20:22 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g17HKMw25702 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 7 Feb 2002 12:20:22 -0500 Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 12:20:22 -0500 Message-Id: <200202071720.g17HKMS25698@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: stubby and a free shirt Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org John, That's good luck on the engine after the lockup scare! If I remember, Stubby has a normal late 2a solenoid from a 70-88 I see the 12v Ford solenoids from 60-70's also works. Bob B At 09:01 AM 2/7/2002, you wrote: >The engine is going very well. I bought a high ratio transfer case >because I thought it would pull it and personal experience was that I >was changing gears much faster than before. (Meaning that Stubby >accelerated well and I just didn't stay in gear very long.) > >Now Stubby has a broken starter solenoid, something I didn't change >with the engine work. Oh well. > >cheers, [ 22 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Thu Feb 7 15:33:27 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g17KXRX26771 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 7 Feb 2002 15:33:27 -0500 Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 15:33:27 -0500 Message-Id: <200202072033.g17KXRe26767@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Peter Ogilvie" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Goodyear good buddy Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I took a two cars into two different Goodyear stores about a decade ago. Both times they told me I needed complete brake jobs. Thanked them and took the car to an independent. The Inde. opinion was brakes were less than half worn. Had the same problem with Midas, also. I haven't gone to any of the big guys, since. It may not be official policy, but doing unnecessary repairs seems to be a part of their corporate ethos. Since backed up by many people with similar experiences. Caveat Emptor. Aloha Peter O. >From: Bob & Sue Bernard >Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Subject: Re: Goodyear good buddy >Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 11:00:21 -0500 > >Hi, >Your comment about Goodyear stores being too greedy reminds me of a few >encounters with Firestone stores. No matter why you were there, they would [ 24 additional quoted lines pruned. ] _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From bens Thu Feb 7 16:13:26 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g17LDQu27026 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 7 Feb 2002 16:13:26 -0500 Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 16:13:26 -0500 Message-Id: <200202072113.g17LDQu27022@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Shannon Holland To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: ouch! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Well it doesn't look to be a happy time for the D110. Starting getting more noise, etc from the transmission a couple of weeks ago. Took it up to Roverland this week and upon draining the transmission oil (Redline MTL) Philippe discovered many nice shiny silver shavings (with a bunch more in the filter). The transmission is the original LT77 and does have 120K miles on it, but I was honestly hoping for a few more out of it (although who wasn't!). I am quite interested in Clarke's diesel conversion at some point but that doesn't seem to be in the cards for me at present (the conversion being way too costly for me). I'm curious if anyone has recommendations as to where I might want to go from here. One option would be to go for the GM transmission and Rover adaptor. That would at least get me part of the way and not be spending money on things that I would throw away later. Otherwise, go for a rebuilt or new R380 (the last time Philippe looked at prices for rebuilt R380's they were close to new, so it may not be worth it). Otherwise if I'm really lucky perhaps a used R380? (that seems really unlikely - perhaps OK in the UK where you have lots of discos and D90's running around, but here the used supply would be rather non-existent I would imagine). The other option would be to add more oil and see what happens. I'm not too hopeful on this though as we just changed the transmission oil about 5K miles ago - it was clean at that point. Or open it up and see if it's something really easy (Philippe wasn't too optimistic on this as it can be hard to tell what's really wrong without tearing it apart and he's had major trouble getting parts in the past). Does anyone know of a good source for rebuilt R380's in the US? Is there anything else I should think about? Thanks much! Shannon From bens Thu Feb 7 16:54:07 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g17Ls7A27241 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 7 Feb 2002 16:54:07 -0500 Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 16:54:07 -0500 Message-Id: <200202072154.g17Ls7T27237@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Clarke Williams To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: ouch! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Shannon, Given that this is in response to a specific question, I hope nobody interprets this post as "spam". If anyone does not want to hear about an NV-4500 to stock LR V8 option, please delete this message now. Another option is to go with the NV-4500. I have a bellhousing for the stock LR V8. Clutch plumbs directly to the stock LR clutch master cylinder. You use a stock LR pressure plate and a 10" GM friction disk -- nothing custom there either. If you later decide to install another engine, perhaps a small block Chevy or 6.2-6.5L diesel, you just change the bellhousing. In the meantime you have a 5-speed transmission with a nice low 1st gear, good cruising overdrive 5th, and about 80% more strength than an LT-77 or R-380. Typical lifespan of NV-4500s used with GM diesel or the Dodge Turbo Cummins is 250-300,000 miles. You should be able to easily expect at least that much mileage. If this has any appeal, feel free to contact me off-list. Clarke Williams Coos Bay, OR 541-266-0300 At 04:13 PM 2/7/02 -0500, you wrote: > >Well it doesn't look to be a happy time for the D110. Starting getting >more noise, etc from the transmission a couple of weeks ago. Took it up >to Roverland this week and upon draining the transmission oil (Redline >MTL) Philippe discovered many nice shiny silver shavings (with a bunch >more in the filter). > >The transmission is the original LT77 and does have 120K miles on it, >but I was honestly hoping for a few more out of it (although who [ 29 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Thu Feb 7 17:00:37 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g17M0bT27293 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 7 Feb 2002 17:00:37 -0500 Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 17:00:37 -0500 Message-Id: <200202072200.g17M0b927289@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Shane Ballensky" To: Subject: Re: ouch! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org George at http://www.roversdownsouth.com has rebuilt R380's for somewhat reasonable price here in the US. I think they are around $1500. Shane ----- Original Message ----- From: Shannon Holland To: Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 1:13 PM Subject: ouch! > Does anyone know of a good source for rebuilt R380's in the US? Is there > anything else I should think about? From bens Thu Feb 7 18:58:35 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g17NwZD27941 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 7 Feb 2002 18:58:35 -0500 Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 18:58:35 -0500 Message-Id: <200202072358.g17NwZe27937@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Shannon Holland To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: ouch! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hey, that's a price I like! (as much as one can like something like this...) Does anyone have any experience with these transmissions or Rovers Down South in general (I've never heard of them!)? Shannon On Thursday, February 7, 2002, at 02:00 PM, Shane Ballensky wrote: > > George at > http://www.roversdownsouth.com > has rebuilt R380's for somewhat reasonable price here in the US. > I think they are around $1500. > Shane > > > ----- Original Message ----- [ 13 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Thu Feb 7 19:19:11 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g180JBn28046 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 7 Feb 2002 19:19:11 -0500 Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 19:19:10 -0500 Message-Id: <200202080019.g180JAE28042@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Shane Ballensky" To: Subject: Re: ouch! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I have bought about 20k worth of parts from George. he's a good guy. Only problems have been shipping damage to some body panels. He said he would make it right but I haven't got around to having the damage repaired. The piece is rare and cannot just be replaced with another. Shane ----- Original Message ----- From: Shannon Holland To: Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 3:58 PM Subject: Re: ouch! > > Hey, that's a price I like! (as much as one can like something like > this...) Does anyone have any experience with these transmissions or > Rovers Down South in general (I've never heard of them!)? > > Shannon > > On Thursday, February 7, 2002, at 02:00 PM, Shane Ballensky wrote: > [ 5 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Thu Feb 7 19:27:07 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g180R7K28099 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 7 Feb 2002 19:27:07 -0500 Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 19:27:07 -0500 Message-Id: <200202080027.g180R7U28095@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Biophilian@aol.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: O2 Sensor Question (in here somewhere) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hey all you wise Mendoites, When I replaced my RR exhaust I replaced the O2 sensors with aftermarket sensors from RN. Shortly thereafter I began having "EFI" light issues. Anyone else had this problem? I've checked out and recalibrated the throttle potentiometer, replaced the coolant sensor (since it's cheap), and have had no luck getting the light to stay off. Seems to stay off if I drive in town where engine speeds vary, but if it idles for long or I drive at constant speed (freeway or crawling) it comes on. In trouble shooting this I decided to just disconnect the O2s to see if the light comes on--and it doesn't! The BIG question: will this hurt the ECU? I'm going to just put the old ones back in, but I was surprised that the engine runs fine with them unhooked. Thoughts? Kevan From bens Thu Feb 7 23:22:01 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g184M1929341 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 7 Feb 2002 23:22:01 -0500 Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 23:22:00 -0500 Message-Id: <200202080422.g184M0K29337@minbar.fourfold.org> From: FHY To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: MB Sprinter (No LR Content) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi all, Sometime last year Daimler-Chrysler indicated it would import the MB Sprinter. This week DW TV had a short blurb on the MB Inglhaut Sprinter. It does look like it would make a great camper and an alternative to the 101 or Pinzgauer. I have a copy of the clip and is available to anyone who wants it - but it occupies a lot of MBs. Frank From bens Thu Feb 7 23:49:08 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g184n8V29474 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 7 Feb 2002 23:49:08 -0500 Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 23:49:08 -0500 Message-Id: <200202080449.g184n8929470@minbar.fourfold.org> From: john hess To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: series B xfer case Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hiya, So at some point, Stubby's tranny is coming out to be replaced. When that happens, I will have an old, basically series 2 tranny and xfer case in my garage. the tranny is probably not worth much to anyone, since some parts (according to Steve at BP) are NLA. The xfer case tho', should have a lower low than regular series 2A/3 trucks. So the question is, can I sell the parts to offset my tranny purchase price. Anyone interested in this set of gears? The xfer case seems good, the tranny was definitely worn. cheers, John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Land Rover Dormobile web pages: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby" 1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" 1999 Bianchi Milano, 2001 Bianchi Pista From bens Thu Feb 7 23:57:58 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g184vwP29531 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 7 Feb 2002 23:57:58 -0500 Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 23:57:58 -0500 Message-Id: <200202080457.g184vwl29527@minbar.fourfold.org> From: CHRISBONIN@aol.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: In need of a used tranfer case for RR Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset="US-ASCII" ] [ 6 lines filtered. ] My transfer case is in trouble. Does anyone have any leads for a used one? Its for a 1988 RR. Thanks Chris From bens Fri Feb 8 00:48:36 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g185maI30922 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 00:48:36 -0500 Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 00:48:36 -0500 Message-Id: <200202080548.g185ma630918@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Polla Slade" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: In need of a used tranfer case for RR Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi Chris, Timm Cooper is doing T-case rebuilds and conversions here in Portland. He left for Pasa Robles this morning, but should be gone only a week. If you need one REALLY quickly I have a second one that I won't be using for a while. I don't know how much it's worth though, it hasn't been gone through. It's an LT-230 T I believe. Good luck! Michael _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From bens Fri Feb 8 10:38:35 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g18FcZO01316 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 10:38:35 -0500 Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 10:38:35 -0500 Message-Id: <200202081538.g18FcZs01312@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Russ Wilson To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: engines Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I'm in L.A. and I'm looking for a rebuildable 2.25 engine. Anyone have one sitting around the garage taking up space? Thanks -- From bens Fri Feb 8 14:31:50 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g18JVoU02534 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 14:31:50 -0500 Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 14:31:49 -0500 Message-Id: <200202081931.g18JVn402530@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jeff Rogers To: joe mulqueen Subject: Re: URGENT: Mendo needs help this weekend! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org OK folks, my plans for this evening have changed a bit. My sleeping bag is MIA so I will be arriving Saturday morning rather than camping. I plan to be there just before the 9:00am meeting. BTW, for those that are unsure about where the nails track (meeting location) is, it's the large clearing at the Davis Flat / Fouts Springs Staging Area. See you all there tomorrow morning. I'll be on CB Ch 7 and 2M 146.500. -->Jeff From bens Fri Feb 8 15:16:33 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g18KGXg02837 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 15:16:33 -0500 Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 15:16:33 -0500 Message-Id: <200202082016.g18KGXo02833@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Fil F." To: jeffrogers@earthlink.net, joemulqueen@yahoo.com, mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: URGENT: Mendo needs help this weekend! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org i am driving our honda and might need a ride up to the meeting place, can anyone wait at the ranger's station and give me a lift, i will try to work on the rover tonite and see if it can be road worthy , jeff, do u want to meet up at the gas station at black oak restaurant cheers, fil >From: Jeff Rogers >To: joe mulqueen , Mendo Recce List >, "Fil F." , "Kerner, Rob" >, Morgan Hanaford > >Subject: Re: URGENT: Mendo needs help this weekend! >Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 10:01:43 -0800 > > [ 11 additional quoted lines pruned. ] _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From bens Fri Feb 8 16:08:16 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g18L8Gq03202 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 16:08:16 -0500 Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 16:08:16 -0500 Message-Id: <200202082108.g18L8GD03198@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "deGuzman, Christine" To: Subject: RE: engines Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 15 lines filtered. ] I have a good runner with the 7:1 head that does not have the unleaded valve seats, that just took out of my 1967 SIIa to put in a V8. I can take the compression if you are interested. I don't know what its worth and I am in SF area. Mehdi From bens Fri Feb 8 21:13:40 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g192DeR04780 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 21:13:40 -0500 Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 21:13:40 -0500 Message-Id: <200202090213.g192De404776@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Russ Wilson To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: engines Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] > [ Included Original Message ] > [ 15 lines filtered. ] >I have a good runner with the 7:1 head that does not have the unleaded valve >seats, that just took out of my 1967 SIIa to put in a V8. I can take the >compression if you are interested. I don't know what its worth and I am in >SF area. > >Mehdi -- Mehdi, Hmmmm So this is a complete engine that was running when it was pulled out of the truck? This may just be what I'm looking for. Prices...? Are there any parts that you need for your rover??? I may have bits that you need so that we can work out a parts and cash swap. I have to make a complete list but I've got spare doors, wing skins, a nice shinny seatbox.... Let me know what you what to get for the engine and maybe we can work something out. thanks RW From bens Sat Feb 9 00:25:38 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g195Pci06808 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 00:25:38 -0500 Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 00:25:38 -0500 Message-Id: <200202090525.g195Pc206804@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kevin Kelly" To: "Mendo List" Subject: Range Rover O2 Sensors Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Kevan wrote: >When I replaced my RR exhaust I replaced the O2 >sensors with aftermarket sensors from RN. What is the price of the RN aftermarket sensors? I just bought some OEM Lucas sensors from Mohamed at Rover City for $139 each. >Shortly thereafter I began having "EFI" light issues. >Anyone else had this problem? Philippe from Roverland said to always use a little dielectric grease on the O2 sensor plugs and press them in "firmly" (if you don't have a good connection the EFI light will go on). I've also heard of people ruining new O2 sensors by getting anti-seize on the tips of the sensors. >I decided to just disconnect the O2s to see if the light >comes on--and it doesn't! The BIG question: will this >hurt the ECU? I'm going to just put the old ones back >in, but I was surprised that the engine runs fine with >them unhooked. I've had bad O2 sensors for almost 2 years and I just got around to replacing them two weeks ago (since the Range Rover was running fine with the bad ones) when I replaced my passenger side catalytic converter. The bad O2 sensors were makign the EFI light go on, so I just pulled the EFI light bulb from my dash rather than disconnect the O2 sensors. >From what I understand the Lucas ECU just goes in to default mode if it stops getting a signal from a sensor and I don't see how you could have a problem with the ECU if you disconnected some sensors. You can have a problem if a bad sensor sends a "strange" (rather than "no") signal to the ECU. Kevin P.S. Does anyone remember Mendo List Member John Purnell (Red D90 from LA)? John sold his D90 a few years back after moving to WI, but recently bought a Range Rover and is now on the CSO list. He offered to post photos of my catalytic converter replacement (and photos of the old cat that I cut open) on his web site after I mentioned that the Photopoint site that I used to post photos to the web went under. He has not put them up yet, but his site is: http://www.jpurnell.com/rr/ From bens Sat Feb 9 10:27:48 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g19FRmP09639 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 10:27:48 -0500 Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 10:27:48 -0500 Message-Id: <200202091527.g19FRmn09635@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Bob Frey" To: Subject: Re: Range Rover O2 Sensors Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Kevin, I have the "rattely cat" syndrome on the passenger side cat of the '89 RR that just moved north from Ridgecrest. Since smog check is an issue I assume that a sheetmetal screw in the gut is not a fix. Where did you get your replacement? The BP price is a bit steep and I'm hoping that someone will tell me that a cat from a Geo or such is the same.... Bob Frey > > P.S. Does anyone remember Mendo List Member John Purnell > (Red D90 from LA)? John sold his D90 a few years back after > moving to WI, but recently bought a Range Rover and is now > on the CSO list. He offered to post photos of my catalytic > converter replacement (and photos of the old cat that I cut > open) on his web site after I mentioned that the Photopoint > site that I used to post photos to the web went under. He > has not put them up yet, but his site is: [ 2 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Sat Feb 9 12:09:51 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g19H9p910125 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 12:09:51 -0500 Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 12:09:51 -0500 Message-Id: <200202091709.g19H9pr10121@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Alexander George Cooper To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Range Rover O2 Sensors Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > I have the "rattely cat" syndrome on the passenger side cat of the '89 RR >that just moved north from Ridgecrest. Since smog check is an issue I assume >that a sheetmetal screw in the gut is not a fix. Where did you get your >replacement? The BP price is a bit steep and I'm hoping that someone will >tell me that a cat from a Geo or such is the same.... I replaced one of the cats on my '89 a while back and used a non-genuine LR part to save some money. Turned out not to fit very well and I had to remove the heat shield to get it to fit. I don't know that the fit of a geniune part would have been any better, but this is something to look out for. The part seems to work fine though. Alexander '89 RR From bens Sun Feb 10 01:42:37 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1A6gbP14926 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 01:42:37 -0500 Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 01:42:36 -0500 Message-Id: <200202100642.g1A6gae14922@minbar.fourfold.org> From: joe mulqueen To: mendo Subject: Mendo Pine Seedlings Planted Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hello, Just came back from the Davis Flats / Fouts Springs fire damage repair chores. I'd gone out Friday night and enjoyed waking up this morning to frost on the inside of my truck while being toasty in doubled sleeping bags.. Later, NCRC members Jeff Rogers, Chris Dow, Rob Kerner, Morgan Hannaford, Fil Figueroa, plus another 30+ volunteers showed up and worked with the local Forest Service planting pine seedlings around burned out campgrounds. Boy, some rocky soil! Fortunately, pick axes, and power augers made the task a bit easier. All in all, a very rewarding experience both personally and for Northern California Rover Club. JoeM '67 SIIA 109 SW __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com From bens Sun Feb 10 14:04:07 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1AJ47i18606 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 14:04:07 -0500 Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 14:04:06 -0500 Message-Id: <200202101904.g1AJ46N18602@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kevin Kelly" To: "Mendo List" Subject: Rannge Rover "Rattely Cat" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Bob Frey wrote: >I have the "rattely cat" syndrome on the passenger >side cat of the '89 RR that just moved north from >Ridgecrest. Since smog check is an issue I assume >that a sheetmetal screw in the gut is not a fix. Where >did you get your replacement? The inside of the cat on the passenger side of the Range Rover is made of a brittle honeycomb material and the reason that the "screw in the gut" procedure that works so well on mufflers does not work very well on the cat is that the honeycomb stuff just cracks when you screw in to it and you end up with more loose pieces bouncing around (ask me how I know). If you are on a budget I have heard that people are able to just unbolt the cat and shake the loose stuff out (they often have to hammer in with a big screwdriver to make it small enough to come out). The passenger side cat has two "sections" and odds are the loose stuff is in the top section so if you shake it out you will still have half of the catalyst on the right side of the exhaust system. >The BP price is a bit steep and I'm hoping that >someone will tell me that a cat from a Geo or >such is the same.... You can get a "universal" cat for about $50, but you will have to weld on the ends of your old cat on to it. I paid a little over $200 for a Canadian made cat that was a direct bolt in replacement for my OEM cat (and was even threaded for the O2 sensor). I got my cat from Mohamed at Rover City (800-274-4830). I have been buying from Mohamed since 1997, he is a nice guy and has great prices but Rover City is not a big company and it often takes him a while to get items to you. Mohamed said that he can get Asian made cats for under $200, but he has had problems with fit and does not recommend them. Kevin Kelly From bens Sun Feb 10 18:09:10 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1AN9AE19937 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 18:09:10 -0500 Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 18:09:10 -0500 Message-Id: <200202102309.g1AN9Aj19933@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kevin Kelly" To: "Mendo List" Subject: Low Cost Tire Chains Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I found a couple pair of new looking tire chains for 13"-14" wheels while looking for something in my parents basement. I think one pair was purchased for my old BMW 320i and the other pair was bought for the VW Cabrio my sister had in college. I just want to pass them on to someone that can use them, but Do Not want to wait in line at the post office to ship them. You can pick them up at my office in Mill Valley or my apartment in San Francisco (or I can bring them to give to soneone on the Mendo trip). I put them on eBay so you can see photos with the bidding starting at $0.30 each (what it costs to post on eBay). Kevin Kelly http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem &item=1804338210 http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem &item=1804341247 From bens Sun Feb 10 19:10:05 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1B0A5k20273 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 19:10:05 -0500 Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 19:10:05 -0500 Message-Id: <200202110010.g1B0A5g20269@minbar.fourfold.org> From: JoeSmo To: mendo_list Subject: Rebuild 2A trans Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I plan on rebuilding my 2A transmission and would like to know if there are any sites that discuss the ins and outs for this. Also if anyone has any suggestions as to what to look out for, tip, etc I would greatly appreciate it. After opening and disassembling the transmission I found the mainshaft distance piece was in 3 pieces (originally was one). Second gear has a chip on one tooth but all in all the rest looks good. The 3/4 synchro was tweaked a bit but not having seen one before not sure if it is a good or bad. Thanks for any input (how you doing Bob) Joe __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com From bens Sun Feb 10 22:03:37 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1B33bS21118 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 22:03:37 -0500 Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 22:03:37 -0500 Message-Id: <200202110303.g1B33b021114@minbar.fourfold.org> From: PlaidSkirtChaser@aol.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Series 2 in Napa (for sale) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset="US-ASCII" ] [ 6 lines filtered. ] 1960 series 2 for sale in Napa for 2200$ Call me at 707 363 8930 for details Matt From bens Mon Feb 11 01:35:08 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1B6Z8H23284 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 01:35:08 -0500 Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 01:35:07 -0500 Message-Id: <200202110635.g1B6Z7a23280@minbar.fourfold.org> From: James Howard To: Mendo list Subject: 2.25 engine rebuild Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I am contemplating rebuilding the tired engine in my SIII. For budgeting purposes, about how much should I expect to pay? Thanks, James From bens Mon Feb 11 02:05:52 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1B75qD23463 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 02:05:52 -0500 Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 02:05:52 -0500 Message-Id: <200202110705.g1B75qV23459@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Russ Wilson To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: 2.25 engine rebuild Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >I am contemplating rebuilding the tired engine in my SIII. For budgeting >purposes, about how much should I expect to pay? > >Thanks, > >James -- There are several different levels you can go to in an engine rebuild. Basic rebuild, which is just doing the bottom end with a quick ream and some fresh rings with no trip to the machine shop.. Just the cost of the rings and a gasket set. At the other end of the spectrum is the total tear down. Rebuilding the head, fresh valves......ugh, makes my head hurt to think about it. You can have $500 - $750 just in machine shop charges with this. Add in another $500 - $750 in parts if you punch out the block and are going to go with new pistons etc. The total mac-daddy rebuild ends up costing nearly as much as an engine from one of the high performance engine houses like Turner or ACR. If it were me, I'd go cheap and dirty or spend the $$ and get an ACR engine. Just $.02 from someone about to rebuild engine #2 Good Luck! RW From bens Mon Feb 11 04:08:37 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1B98bF24075 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 04:08:37 -0500 Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 04:08:36 -0500 Message-Id: <200202110908.g1B98ah24071@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kevin Kelly" To: "Mendo List" Cc: Subject: Range Rover Catalytic Converter Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org If anyone wants to see the inside of a Range Rover catalytic converter take a look at the photos John Purnell posted on his web site. http://www.jpurnell.com/RR/exhaust/kkelly%20cat%20mods.htm Kevin Kelly From bens Mon Feb 11 05:05:59 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1BA5x724368 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 05:05:59 -0500 Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 05:05:59 -0500 Message-Id: <200202111005.g1BA5x224364@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Tom Walsh" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Range Rover Catalytic Converter Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Thats definately not a Rover wheel in the picture :) TomW > > If anyone wants to see the inside of a Range Rover catalytic > converter take a look at the photos John Purnell posted on > his web site. > > http://www.jpurnell.com/RR/exhaust/kkelly%20cat%20mods.htm > > Kevin Kelly > [ 2 additional quoted lines pruned. ] *---------*---------* tomw@fluentnet.com, www.fluentnet.com From bens Mon Feb 11 11:39:56 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1BGduA26336 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 11:39:56 -0500 Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 11:39:55 -0500 Message-Id: <200202111639.g1BGdtj26332@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: 2.25 engine rebuild Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I wish the quicky could be counted on like that, but so far all the 2.25's I've pulled the head off need a re bore (6). It's either a heck of a lot of miles, or the block could be a bit harder to start with. There always seems to be a good size ridge. I've tried the ridge ream and hone twice but the results were less than favorable. On the other hand when I rebuilt my daughter's Early Bronco 302, with a LOT of miles on it, the valves were practically nonexistent, but the block only need a honing. BTW, I've had very good luck using the Hastings piston rings instead of the originals. Hastings has a three piece oil ring that really works. I used them years ago in Chev V8 and Pont V8. Also Hastings has a website and an 800# and will sell to you over the phone with a credit card, The price is right too. Usually have the rings on the shelf ready to go. They once made a set of rings at .040 over size for my 1950 Land-Rover 1600cc engine, and I had them in a week. Another BTW, If you still have the double valve springs, the umbrella guide seals that BP and others sell nowadays will be rubbed by the springs and go bad. So unless the seals have been improved, I would switch to single valve springs from BP. Bob B At 11:05 PM 2/10/2002, you wrote: > >James > > >-- >There are several different levels you can go to in an engine >rebuild. Basic rebuild, which is just doing the bottom end with a >quick ream and some fresh rings with no trip to the machine shop.. >Just the cost of the rings and a gasket set. From bens Mon Feb 11 12:23:11 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1BHNBn26549 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 12:23:11 -0500 Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 12:23:11 -0500 Message-Id: <200202111723.g1BHNBq26545@minbar.fourfold.org> From: john hess To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: 2.25 engine rebuild Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org If you do very little, and buy every new part that can be replaced, and have a shop do the boring and cleaning and assembly, $3K. >I am contemplating rebuilding the tired engine in my SIII. For budgeting >purposes, about how much should I expect to pay? > >Thanks, > >James John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Land Rover Dormobile web pages: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby" 1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" 1999 Bianchi Milano, 2001 Bianchi Pista From bens Mon Feb 11 13:07:23 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1BI7NO26789 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 13:07:23 -0500 Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 13:07:23 -0500 Message-Id: <200202111807.g1BI7NK26785@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Cc: "Bradt, Ralph (E-mail)" Subject: Sprinter & EGA (some LRC) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "....Sometime last year Daimler-Chrysler indicated it would import the MB Sprinter...." Some links to the Sprinter (Freightliner deals them) from the "G-news" section of http://www.clubgwagen.com. Also put up a nice discount on an exhaust gas analyzer (CO)in the "Specials" section. Tune those recalcitrant webbers yourself and SAVE! :^))) -Dave G. From bens Mon Feb 11 13:21:04 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1BIL4x26897 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 13:21:04 -0500 Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 13:21:03 -0500 Message-Id: <200202111821.g1BIL3E26893@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Curtin, Gerald" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #660 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Yesterday my Series III stopped running--fortunately just down the street from my home. It appears to be from a lack of fuel getting to the carb. I cleaned the mesh and fuel bowl, and am still not getting any fuel into the bowl anymore. After turning the truck over for a total of about 1 minute, I am now hearing this horrible "grinding" noise--which I assume is the fuel pump being absent of liquid. More investigating is needed, but my question is--are there any after-market electric fuel pump replacements that would fit well with the 2.25 engine? It's worth the thought if the part is a total write-off (which it may be from the sounds of it). -Gerald This email contains information that may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy or disclose this message to anybody or the information contained herein. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender and delete this message. Thank you. From bens Mon Feb 11 14:23:25 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1BJNPD27235 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 14:23:25 -0500 Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 14:23:25 -0500 Message-Id: <200202111923.g1BJNPt27231@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Peter Whitbeck To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: O/T Blair P. - Give me a call... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Blair, Give me a ring in the office. 925-284-5554. ************** Peter Whitbeck Peter@RailCarAmerica.com http://www.railcaramerica.com/pw/ From bens Mon Feb 11 14:58:19 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1BJwJY27454 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 14:58:19 -0500 Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 14:58:19 -0500 Message-Id: <200202111958.g1BJwJ227450@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Michael Petrone To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Lost emails Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Would you please call me @ 408-640-6415 regarding my emails from Mendo. You are the only service I know of that is not getting through to me. Michael From bens Mon Feb 11 14:59:42 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1BJxgO27468 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 14:59:42 -0500 Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 14:59:42 -0500 Message-Id: <200202111959.g1BJxgY27464@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: lunch in Emeryville Wed? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Anybody up for lunch in Emeryville on Wed? Blair, Frank, Mehdi, others? Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 From bens Mon Feb 11 15:40:14 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1BKeEh27706 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 15:40:14 -0500 Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 15:40:14 -0500 Message-Id: <200202112040.g1BKeEK27702@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: commerical D90 spotted/work shop/UK container Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I wasn't able to make it to the work day on Sat in Mendo, but while going across town that same day I spotted a great D90 near Seacliff. It was a white hard top 94 D90, #2557 with CA plates. The entire rear area behind the front seats was used as a metal working space. Apparently the D90 was used as some sort of equestrian work vehicle, there were dozens of tools, lathes, drills, grinders, etc mounted in various places in the rear space, and there was also a drop down work table that held spaces for stacks of horse shoes and other related objects. Between the rear space and the front seats was a dog guard like barrier with the middle section open for moving between the front and back of the vehicle. Whoever this person was, they did an awesome job of custom mounting tons of equipment in their vehicle. It was pretty neat to see a commercial-esque LR, something you don't see very often (ever) in the US. On another front, Petra and I moved into our new work shop space. It's very nice. There is still one space left so if anyone is interested please let us know. There are tons and tons of work shop tools for use, including crawlers, jacks, jack stands, a cherry picker, a huge air compresser, just about every tool you can imagine, and lots of other useful stuff. Two of the guys in the shop (Oliver and Roger, both from England) are interested in getting together a container full of parts and vehicles from the UK. They apparently have sources for cheap LRs and Jags. Anyone interested in that aspect should let us know as well. Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 From bens Mon Feb 11 15:57:52 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1BKvqB27817 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 15:57:52 -0500 Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 15:57:52 -0500 Message-Id: <200202112057.g1BKvqk27813@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Brian Horner To: , Subject: Austin Gypsy Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org So I was watching Junkyard Wars the other night and a team made a tunnel drilling machine out of a Series III and a Austin Gypsy. The commentator of the show had mentioned that the Gypsy was Austin's rip-off of the Land Rover. Sure enough, when they showed the inside of the Gypsy - it looked very much like a Series II. I was just curious about these strange little rigs and was wondering what anyone might know about them. I couldn't find too many links on this vehicle but I enclosed one for those of you that are interested: http://www.gipsy.flying-a.net/ I am guessing these are common place in Canada but I have never seen one here in the States. Brian ------------------------ http://www.roverme.org "Land Rover community, links and email services." From bens Mon Feb 11 16:06:20 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1BL6Kc27933 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 16:06:20 -0500 Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 16:06:19 -0500 Message-Id: <200202112106.g1BL6Jb27929@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Lost emails Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >From: Michael Petrone >At 11:58 AM 2/11/2002, Michael wrote: >Would you please call me @ 408-640-6415 regarding my emails from Mendo. >You are the only service I know of that is not getting through to me. > >Michael Would who call? Bob B From bens Mon Feb 11 16:11:03 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1BLB3j27974 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 16:11:03 -0500 Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 16:11:03 -0500 Message-Id: <200202112111.g1BLB3Q27970@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Hope Peter" To: Subject: changing subscription address Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I want to change this from my work email to my home email. is this possible from a web site or should I send email to Ben. Thanks Pete From bens Mon Feb 11 16:24:37 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1BLObO28034 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 16:24:37 -0500 Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 16:24:37 -0500 Message-Id: <200202112124.g1BLOb428030@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gerry Elam" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: changing subscription address Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Send the 'unsubscribe mendo_recce' message to Majordomo@fourfold.org and then send the 'subscribe mendo_recce' to the same. Cheers, Gerry >I want to change this from my work email to my home email. is this >possible >from a web site or should I send email to Ben. >Thanks >Pete > _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From bens Mon Feb 11 16:27:50 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1BLRoE28069 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 16:27:50 -0500 Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 16:27:49 -0500 Message-Id: <200202112127.g1BLRna28065@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gerry Elam" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Austin Gypsy Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org One of the magazines did an article on these several years ago. I'll see if I have a copy at home. I suspect that LR were copied in one form or another in the earlier years. On the last trip to Sao Paulo, I looked at a couple of Series I's at "Specialist LR". I asked the shop owner about the earlier imports and he mentioned that the original importer started with the CKD's and then lost his franchise because he was building his own version using LR parts! Cheers, Gerry >mentioned that the Gypsy was Austin's rip-off of the Land >Rover. Sure enough, when they showed the inside of the Gypsy - it looked >very much like a Series II. I was just curious about these strange _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From bens Mon Feb 11 16:29:57 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1BLTvl28083 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 16:29:57 -0500 Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 16:29:57 -0500 Message-Id: <200202112129.g1BLTvH28079@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jeff Rogers To: Mendo Recce List Subject: Re: Mendo Pine Seedlings Planted Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Thanks to everyone for your help this weekend. The NCRC is making a difference in the Mendocinco N.F. and we're building a presence at the state and national level as examples of responsible off-roaders. I have since been in touch with Bob Amador of the Blue Ribbon Coalition and he mentioned that our story is being told in many circles. With some additional work we might be able to put a better face on the OHV community and preserve everyone's right to recreate on public lands. Thanks again to everyone who has worked on the Mendo trails in the past. -->Jeff joemulqueen@yahoo.com wrote: > > Hello, > Just came back from the Davis Flats / Fouts Springs > fire damage repair chores. I'd gone out Friday night > and enjoyed waking up this morning to frost on the > inside of my truck while being toasty in doubled > sleeping bags.. > Later, NCRC members Jeff Rogers, Chris Dow, Rob > Kerner, Morgan Hannaford, Fil Figueroa, plus another [ 9 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Mon Feb 11 16:40:53 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1BLerK28178 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 16:40:53 -0500 Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 16:40:53 -0500 Message-Id: <200202112140.g1BLerw28174@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Benjamin Allan Smith To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: changing subscription address Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In message <200202112111.g1BLB3Q27970@minbar.fourfold.org>you wrote: > I want to change this from my work email to my home email. is this possible > from a web site or should I send email to Ben. The list is run by majordomo@fourfold.org. To unsubscibe an old email address, send email to majordomo from the old address with: unsubscribe mendo_recce or unsubscribe mendo_recce-digest depending if you have the digest or realtime. To subscribe a new address send an email from the new address with: subscribe mendo_recce or subscribe mendo_recce-digest depending upon which for of the list that you want to join. If there are any issues then majordomo sends me email to resolve the conflict. Or you can just send email to me and ask me to make the change. Ben From bens Mon Feb 11 16:41:55 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1BLftG28192 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 16:41:55 -0500 Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 16:41:55 -0500 Message-Id: <200202112141.g1BLftk28188@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Austin Gypsy Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org At 12:57 PM 2/11/2002, you wrote: > I was just curious about these strange little >rigs and was wondering what anyone might know about them. > am guessing these are common place in Canada but I have never seen one >here in the States. >Brian Hi Brian, I've seen several of them. One guy up here had/has? two. (one for parts of course) One was in a junkyard that closed down and scrapped it along with a 57 series one Landrover. The Gipsy had funny independant suspension but it looked very limited in what it could do because it looked like rubber biscuit blocks in the frame that would flex a little. Reminded me of an old VolksWagen suspension axle. Ground clearance looked to be quite poor. Next we might hear from Granny! Bob B From bens Mon Feb 11 17:00:40 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1BM0ew28307 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 17:00:40 -0500 Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 17:00:40 -0500 Message-Id: <200202112200.g1BM0er28303@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "G. Mugele" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: changing subscription address Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org At 4:40 PM -0500 2/11/02, Benjamin Allan Smith wrote: > Or you can just send email to me and ask me to make the change. > Hi Ben, thanks.... was just about to do that anyway. I'm leaving this afternoon for a week in Tiritiri Matangi to chance birds and provide some guide service. Then I be off to Georgia for about four months beginning March 4th.... That date, BTW, is the only date that is a command: March forth! I'll let you know when I get back from Tiritiri because the date isn't firm; I may also stop by Irian Jaya if I have time. thanks, Gerry From bens Mon Feb 11 17:33:46 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1BMXkm28523 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 17:33:46 -0500 Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 17:33:45 -0500 Message-Id: <200202112233.g1BMXjw28519@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Fil F." To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mendo Pine Seedlings Planted/ham Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org hi all, on the way home from mendo seed planting trip we tried to use the Mt. Diablo repeater, i think i told everybody that freq. was 147.010 with a pl of 123 Hz wrong!, no wonder we could not open the repeater, my info was wrong and the saved memory on my HT must have changed, below is the correct frequency for the mt diablo repeater cheers, Fil KG6HIQ - mostly on the 147.060 W6CX Voice Repeaters 147.060 MHz + / PL 100Hz 224.780 MHz - / PL 77Hz 441.325 MHz + / PL 100Hz _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From bens Mon Feb 11 18:00:09 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1BN09t28659 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 18:00:09 -0500 Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 18:00:08 -0500 Message-Id: <200202112300.g1BN08c28655@minbar.fourfold.org> From: FHY To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: lunch in Emeryville Wed? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Sounds good! Frank ------------------------------ Jason Pipes wrote: >Anybody up for lunch in Emeryville on Wed? Blair, Frank, Mehdi, others? > >Jason Pipes >jpipes@feldgrau.com >www.feldgrau.com > >1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 > > From bens Mon Feb 11 19:01:45 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1C01j828991 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 19:01:45 -0500 Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 19:01:45 -0500 Message-Id: <200202120001.g1C01jn28987@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Tom Walsh" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: commerical D90 spotted/work shop/UK container Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > I wasn't able to make it to the work day on Sat in Mendo, but while going > across town that same day I spotted a great D90 near Seacliff. It was a white > hard top 94 D90, #2557 with CA plates. The entire rear area behind the front > seats was used as a metal working space. Apparently the D90 was used as some I saw the same truck, same place on Sat afternoon also! TomW *---------*---------* tomw@fluentnet.com, www.fluentnet.com From bens Mon Feb 11 19:18:16 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1C0IGm29074 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 19:18:16 -0500 Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 19:18:16 -0500 Message-Id: <200202120018.g1C0IGk29070@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jeff Rogers To: Mendo Recce List Subject: Mud Run Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Anybody leaving Friday for the Mud Run? -->Jeff From bens Mon Feb 11 19:32:10 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1C0WA029147 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 19:32:10 -0500 Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 19:32:10 -0500 Message-Id: <200202120032.g1C0WAZ29143@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Brian Horner To: Subject: Re: Mud Run (nope) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org My winch is not acting right and my parking brake is almost shot. Other than having a Land Rover - I failed in meeting the other mechanical requirements. Next Time! I am bummed because I wanted to get it all on video and burn it to DVD! Brian On 2/11/02 4:18 PM, "Jeff Rogers" wrote: > > > Anybody leaving Friday for the Mud Run? -->Jeff > > > ------------------------ http://www.roverme.org "Land Rover community, links and email services." From bens Mon Feb 11 19:38:22 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1C0cM129181 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 19:38:22 -0500 Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 19:38:21 -0500 Message-Id: <200202120038.g1C0cLE29177@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Tom Walsh" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mud Run Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Lets make it another week :) I can't go this weekend ( plus, we need more rain!!! ) TomW > > > Anybody leaving Friday for the Mud Run? -->Jeff > > > > *---------*---------* tomw@fluentnet.com, www.fluentnet.com From bens Mon Feb 11 20:36:43 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1C1ahp29515 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 20:36:43 -0500 Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 20:36:43 -0500 Message-Id: <200202120136.g1C1ahb29511@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Benjamin Allan Smith To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mud Run (nope) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In message <200202120032.g1C0WAZ29143@minbar.fourfold.org>you wrote: > I am bummed because I wanted to get it all on video and burn it to DVD! You think that you are bummed. I'm sitting here 2700 miles away. I have the weekend free, but even I can't swing it to CA and back in the the Disco in 4 days. Sigh. I'll just have to head up to Maine for the Winter Romp and raise a beer to you all from there. Ben From bens Mon Feb 11 22:16:22 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1C3GMi30118 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 22:16:22 -0500 Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 22:16:22 -0500 Message-Id: <200202120316.g1C3GMA30114@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mud Run - on DVD... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org This is something I've actually been thinking about the past few months. The fact that I don't think anyone has ever formally taken any sort of video and offered it to the group from various trips. I think the main reason is the obvious one - who wants to stand behind a video recorder of some sort and attempt to record what's going on, let alone edit it together for distribution. Still, the idea of having a video of various trips for the club (NCRCs 2001 club year video...) would be a great one. jpipes >I am bummed because I wanted to get it all on video and burn it to DVD! > >Brian > > > > >On 2/11/02 4:18 PM, "Jeff Rogers" wrote: > [ 12 additional quoted lines pruned. ] -- Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 From bens Mon Feb 11 22:28:55 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1C3St530181 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 22:28:55 -0500 Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 22:28:55 -0500 Message-Id: <200202120328.g1C3StH30177@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Brian Horner To: Subject: Re: Mud Run - on DVD... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Yeah, I don't mind so much and I have friends that are heavily into video that I would bring along. The "distribution" thing would be tough for more than 10-15 copies but we could have a meeting at a place with a big screen television, drink beer and watch it. At the very least - we could stream it over the web. Anyway - I will try to pull it together on one of the more milder trips when my Series is in better order. Brian On 2/11/02 7:16 PM, "Jason Pipes" wrote: > > > This is something I've actually been thinking about the past few months. > The fact that I don't think anyone has ever formally taken any sort of video > and offered it to the group from various trips. I think the main reason is > the obvious one - who wants to stand behind a video recorder of some sort > and attempt to record what's going on, let alone edit it together for > distribution. Still, the idea of having a video of various trips for the > club (NCRCs 2001 club year video...) would be a great one. [ 14 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ------------------------ http://www.roverme.org "Land Rover community, links and email services." From bens Mon Feb 11 22:42:59 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1C3gxd30253 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 22:42:59 -0500 Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 22:42:59 -0500 Message-Id: <200202120342.g1C3gxL30249@minbar.fourfold.org> From: FHY To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mud Run - on DVD... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Jason Pipes wrote: >This is something I've actually been thinking about the past few months. >The fact that I don't think anyone has ever formally taken any sort of video >and offered it to the group from various trips. > Mehdi has footage from 99 Mendo. I think he also has shots taken of the rig that overturned on the way there. Frank From bens Mon Feb 11 23:03:32 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1C43Wn30378 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 23:03:32 -0500 Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 23:03:31 -0500 Message-Id: <200202120403.g1C43Vb30374@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Shane Ballensky" To: Subject: Re: Mud Run Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Could someone give me some more details other than what's listed on the website? Camping over night? How's the mud? ie could I get stuck or give my new 37" boggers a good test trying? Or would i have more fun with my half worn out SSR's? How far or long(time wise) from Berkeley to the meeting place? Is it possible to cut out early at the end of the first day or will we be camping at a point too far from the pavement? thanks, Shane 94D90 From bens Tue Feb 12 00:03:52 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1C53qA30866 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 00:03:52 -0500 Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 00:03:51 -0500 Message-Id: <200202120503.g1C53p830862@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mud Run - on DVD... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org At 07:42 PM 2/11/2002, you wrote: >Mehdi has footage from 99 Mendo. I think he also has shots taken of the >rig that overturned on the way there. > >Frank Isn't that the S2 for sale on mendo yesterday? Bob B From bens Tue Feb 12 01:02:11 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1C62B732146 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 01:02:11 -0500 Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 01:02:10 -0500 Message-Id: <200202120602.g1C62A432142@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jeremy Bartlett To: mendo Subject: NCRC Mud Run Info 2/16 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org The NCRC Mud Run will be occurring again this year this coming weekend. We will be leaving at 9:30 Saturday morning the 16th from the north end of Willits at the Sherwood Road turnoff. That's LEAVING not meeting. There's a gas station there at the light opposite the bicycle store. Please don't crowd the gas station parking lot. Please be ready to leave by 9:30. If you so desire you can proceed up the road (left at the light) and wait for the group to assemble where the pavement ends about 12 to 15 (going by memory) miles from the start at Willits. Don't worry it's pretty obvious, and for less observant drivers there's even a sign that the pavement ends. Everyone will be signing the club trip waiver. Your vehicle should be equipped with mud tires (all terrains generally just aren't up to these conditions and will slide on some of the hills and banked turns; I don't recommend them). You should also have recovery equipment and points. A winch isn't required but is strongly recommended. Bring anything and everything you can in the way of traction and bridging equipment (sand ladders/psp/waffles,etc). If we are blocked at the far end by deep mud pits we might have to turn around so it would be nice to have a chance of crossing them. Saws and chainsaws are also strongly recommended; there's always varying amounts of blowdown blocking the road at the tail end of winter. A CB is also a good idea. When we leave the paved road (several miles from Willits) we will organize the group according to anticipated problems and vehicle capability; please brush up on your convoy procedure. I'm hoping to proceed as far and as fast as we can toward Ft. Bragg since the real challenges start at the far end. Be warned that while there is not much in the way of terrain that is inherently likely to damage your vehicle the potential for loss of traction or deep ruts means that body damage cannot be ruled out and there is some potential for drivetrain damage. Be prepared to camp up to three days even though some years have only taken one long day. If we camp there are no campsites; it will be by the side of the road in the mud. Conditions are unknown although I've had one report of deep mud pits at the Ft.Bragg end of the road. This is not a trip you can leave part way through since the road effectively has no turnoffs. I can't say how long it will take. There's always a remote chance of not getting out until sometime Monday but that's not happened yet. Anyway be prepared for possibly having to stay 3 days. If you're so inclined bring a good bottle of scotch or wine (in the even we get hail or snow ... yes it's happened it might provide some brief comfort in the evening) Oh yes.. there's no campfire wood or the like so if you want one and the opportunity presents itself (depending on the location and conditions) you might want to bring dry wood. Jeremy From bens Tue Feb 12 01:07:24 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1C67OX32199 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 01:07:24 -0500 Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 01:07:24 -0500 Message-Id: <200202120607.g1C67O432195@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Mehdi" To: Subject: RE: lunch in Emeryville Wed? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 18 lines filtered. ] I think I can make it. Mehdi From bens Tue Feb 12 02:15:50 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1C7Foh32521 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 02:15:50 -0500 Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 02:15:50 -0500 Message-Id: <200202120715.g1C7FoO32517@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Granville Pool" To: Subject: Re: NCRC Mud Run Info 2/16 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Jeremy wrote: > leave by 9:30. If you so desire you can proceed up the road (left at > the light) and wait for the group to assemble where the pavement ends > about 12 to 15 (going by memory) miles from the start at Willits. Don't > worry it's pretty obvious, and for less observant drivers there's even a > sign that the pavement ends. One aspect of it that's not necessarily that obvious: The route begins on Sherwood Road (CR 311), through a vast woodsy subdivision called Brooktrails, then through several large-acreage (mostly 20s) subdivisions until it goes through a couple of ranches, and then LEAVES Sherwood Road (which continues north to return to US 101, not too far south of Laytonville), bearing west, on Fort Bragg-Sherwood Road (CR 419). The pavement ends about where FB-Sherwood Road intersects Sherwood Rancheria Road. Just after you leave the pavement, you pass a large octagonal house on the right. Cheers, Granny From bens Tue Feb 12 03:05:23 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1C85NB32754 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 03:05:23 -0500 Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 03:05:23 -0500 Message-Id: <200202120805.g1C85N432750@minbar.fourfold.org> From: joe mulqueen To: mendo Subject: NCRC Mudrun Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org So who's going (this weekend)? Since appreciable rain doesn't seem likely, I've decided to take my truck with its street tires. Does anyone know a convenient camp spot close to the starting point? I think I'll go up Friday night... Joe Mulqueen '67 SIIA 109 SW Cotati, CA __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com From bens Tue Feb 12 03:18:55 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1C8ItC00352 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 03:18:55 -0500 Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 03:18:54 -0500 Message-Id: <200202120818.g1C8IsT00348@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Granville Pool" To: Subject: Re: Austin Gypsy Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > Next we might hear from Granny! Sorry, Bob. No time tonight for Austin Gipsy (note spelling) talk. Granny From bens Tue Feb 12 03:28:38 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1C8ScO00409 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 03:28:38 -0500 Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 03:28:38 -0500 Message-Id: <200202120828.g1C8Sc400405@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Christopher Dow" To: Subject: RE: Mendo Pine Seedlings Planted/ham Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 4 lines filtered. ] That explains why I couldn't open it. C From bens Tue Feb 12 04:58:37 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1C9wb300896 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 04:58:37 -0500 Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 04:58:37 -0500 Message-Id: <200202120958.g1C9wbT00892@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Polla Slade" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org, series1@landrover.net Subject: tires/rims for sale Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi guys, Many of you will recieve this on other lists, so please forgive... I have 8 Dunlop Radial Mud Rover tires size 255/75/16 for sale mounted on 130 rims. The tires are NEW with ZERO miles on them, and the rims are newly powdercoated black. Tires/rims are mounted and balanced. Price per tire/rim combo is $225. I am located in Portland, and can deliver within a reasonable area. I can also arrange for shipping if anyone is interested. Thanks for the bandwidth. Michael 503-329-6800 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From bens Tue Feb 12 11:09:20 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1CG9KW02657 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 11:09:20 -0500 Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 11:09:19 -0500 Message-Id: <200202121609.g1CG9J202653@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Austin Gipsy was Gypsy Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org OK Gran, We know you are busy! But the spelling was from previous. In fact, in the body of what I said I spelled it right just for you. Cheers, Bob B At 12:18 AM 2/12/2002, you wrote: > > Next we might hear from Granny! > >Sorry, Bob. No time tonight for Austin Gipsy (note spelling) talk. > > >Granny From bens Tue Feb 12 14:01:27 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1CJ1RF03605 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 14:01:27 -0500 Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 14:01:26 -0500 Message-Id: <200202121901.g1CJ1Qr03601@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "randy katz" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Aston Martin Vanquish Review Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org A few weeks ago, the list was awash with Aston Martin envy and sightings. Here is a recent review of Aston Martin Vanquish by my favourite automobile writer John May in Country Life magazine: Motoring by John May From Country Life, 24 January 2002 If I had a handlebar moustache, I think I would now be shaving it off as an act of mourning. The venerable Aston Martin V8 engine, one of the British motor industry's most revered antiques, is no more. Like the weighing scales in your greengrocers, it has fallen foul of those pesky meddling Brussels bureaucrats; the victim, in this case, of European emissions legislation. In the old days, the engine of your Aston would be hand-built in the factory by one of three stout men who would then fix a plaque bearing his name to the rocker covers, there for you to admire should you be daft enough to lift the bonnet. Today, the V12 engine for the new Vanquish is built by Cosworth Engineering and arrives at the factory complete in a crate. Seems a shame, really. But the Vanquish is something altogether different for Aston Martin. It is still a swollen, brutally looking and unmistakably British creation, as it should be, but gone is the impression that the cabin and luggage spaces are merely adjuncts to a huge bonnet. The Vanquish is all hunched, menacing and tense with dynamic intent. Gone, too, is the cussed and cumbersome manual gearbox of yore, to be replaced by a semi automatic shift operated via two column-mounted paddles, Formula 1 style. There is no longer any wood in the hidebound cabin, which now looks more like the reception of a trendy Italian hotel than an English drawing room. The flagship Aston has become a true supercar, whereas the old V8 models were really oversexed GTs. This, aficionados of the marque will be keen to point out, is what history says an Aston should be. But I almost worry that the Vanquish has become too serious. Old Astons were delightfully caddish and were bound up in a world of bad behaviour disguised as charm, which is why Bond does not look right in anything else. But the Vanquish is a better car; the equal by my reckoning, of Ferrari's 550 Maranello. No longer does the nose rise and seem to sniff the air under hard acceleration; the Vanquish is, a hard-core road testers say, 'planted'. It is also woefully deceptive, despite the sonorous engine note and the tyre roar on coarse road surfaces. The combination of 450hp and a transmission that swaps cogs instantly can see the unwary driver happening upon slower road users at an alarming rate. I happened upon a tractor in Bedfordshire. It is a special car--exciting to drive, intoxicating to behold and probably even enjoyable to clean, although I admit I had a man do that for me. It will knock you back 158,000 pounds, and for an extra 6000 pounds you can have a pair of occasional rear seats fitted. The waiting list runs into 2003, and the I have been asked to point out that discounts are not available. From bens Tue Feb 12 15:16:17 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1CKGH804061 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 15:16:17 -0500 Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 15:16:16 -0500 Message-Id: <200202122016.g1CKGGo04057@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Brian Horner To: Subject: Re: Austin Gipsy was Gypsy Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Yup, I was the originator of the misspelling - Bob had nothing to do with it. ;o) Brian On 2/12/02 8:09 AM, "Bob & Sue Bernard" wrote: > > OK Gran, > We know you are busy! > But the spelling was from previous. In fact, in the body of what I said I > spelled it right just for you. > > Cheers, > Bob B > [ 10 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ------------------------ http://www.roverme.org "Land Rover community, links and email services." From bens Tue Feb 12 15:26:13 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1CKQDW04120 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 15:26:13 -0500 Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 15:26:13 -0500 Message-Id: <200202122026.g1CKQDt04116@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kerner, Rob" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: BP DD Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org If I hadn't recored my radiator last year, I'd buy one. -Rob Steve's "Deal of the Day" Welcome to Steve's "Deal of the Day": still the only DAILY Land Rover Specials page! A new special every business day and good for as long as you can see the Deal on this page. Bookmark and check back daily: you never know what we'll do next... To get these prices make sure you say "I saw it on your website!" For: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 Series III Cooling System Overhaul Set Just look at all that you get with this one! New water pump, fan belt, thermostat, radiator cap, hoses, gaskets, and a radiator! Everything you need to assure reliable operation in any temperature. This package is too sharp to not place limits on it, so we are offering just 2 sets. This price is way below what others charge for the radiator alone! $275! From bens Tue Feb 12 15:57:14 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1CKvEe04296 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 15:57:14 -0500 Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 15:57:14 -0500 Message-Id: <200202122057.g1CKvEB04292@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: I'm Back! latest on the light brigade, Elgie and The African Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hey Guys, after losing my connection last month, and sorting things out with moving back to Fremont to find a new job(still lookin'), I'm finally back on mendo (after serrious withdrawels...) Lets see....well I grabbed teh new engine and tranny mounts and crawled under the beast ready to start un-bolting....but whoa! what did I see? Two of the front prop-shaft bolts are MISSING!!!!! I'd swear when the terrible vibration started, I checked all bolts! but they mus have been pointing up and I may have been distracted? well the good news is I was able to source new ones from Orchard, and now there is absolutely no vibration! Yeah!!!!! ....but when I decided to tackle the blown right-side manifold-to y-pipe gasket which was blown. As I started taking off the nuts, two of the studs snapped off! Argh!! I had bought a few spare nuts and studs when getting the gaskets from teh dealer (NOTE!!!! DO NOT BUY THESE PARTS FROM THE DEALER IF YOU CAN AVOID IT!!!) Their price was astronomical compared to BP!!! Anyway, now I need to tear off thr manifold and use an easy-out to get the suckers out, so i need manifold to head gaskets too now, but I guess they are stock chebby parts that I can get at kragen....now if Alfa parts exchange will call back with their new address in tracy, i'll swing by ande finally get the mass-airflow sensor and all will be right(except for the run to dmv to get the beast back off non-op reg. Elgie is running great. I finally installed a generic key switch and re-wired things a bit so i no longer need to dis-connect the battery every time I stop the beast to turn off the lights. The passenger trackers(or was it BLRS..) seat is installed...with bolts now instead of sitting on the seat-box... ;-0 and lets see...as I really don't have the time and room for three rovers(I already sold the ranger and audi in my driveway clearing up project) I can rationalize Elgie and the LB with the ducati as transportation as I wrench on them, so The African is defanitely up for sale. I am waiting for a prospective buyer who loved it, but is wanting to price some things from teh parts houses. of course typical me, when he came by, I hadn't started it up for months and didn'e even have gas or a battery, so had to canibalize Elgie temporarily... As usual it started right up and purred like a kitten 'til the gas I put in the rottenchester ran out and that was all I had(gota be better prepared next time!) after his entorage went home to think about it, I ran down to the gas station in The Light brigade for gas(this was the second time there as I had ran out of gas right before in the LB and had my rom-mate take me over with a gas can...no comment...anyway, I put five gallons into the tank in the african, and puttered around teh neighborhood testing things.....first to note! the '58 trans shifter is straight as back than they didn't have to have a bend for the heater that is ini a '60. after taking off the knob it shifts into top range just fine and drives like a top(now to take off the lever and install the bent '60 one today...) anyway for now..that's it! what have I missed since Christmas? Paul __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com From bens Tue Feb 12 16:58:18 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1CLwIO04802 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 16:58:18 -0500 Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 16:58:17 -0500 Message-Id: <200202122158.g1CLwHV04798@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Blair Peterson" To: "Mendo (E-mail)" Subject: e-ville lunch Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; ] [ 22 lines filtered. ] charset="iso-8859-1" no-go for me. later. From bens Tue Feb 12 17:15:49 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1CMFnB04945 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 17:15:49 -0500 Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 17:15:48 -0500 Message-Id: <200202122215.g1CMFmg04941@minbar.fourfold.org> From: James Howard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Aston Martin Vanquish Review Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org For the price of a small Kia, you can have the optional rear seats. From bens Tue Feb 12 17:25:51 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1CMPpe05003 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 17:25:51 -0500 Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 17:25:50 -0500 Message-Id: <200202122225.g1CMPos04999@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: " mendo rec list" Subject: Re: I'm Back! latest on the light brigade, Elgie and The African Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >anyway for now..that's it! >what have I missed since Christmas? > >Paul Oh not much. We had the New years Majove run and met up with the Dows at the end. Nick and Chandra were completely taken by the airstream trailers. The Dows decided that there was a reason Eichler houses were so cheap and decided to remodel and add a second story. They sold Nick their 110 & airstream to help finance the remodeling. Nick and Chandra decided to do their next round the World with the airstream and put the two Dormobiles up for sale to pay for the trip. Alaska has been sold to someone in Southern California and someone in the Midwest has a deposit down on Sampson the other Dormi. Timm Cooper is is the process of repowering his series I 109 with a Ford powerstroke diesel. Clarke Williams actually sold a diesel conversion to Craig Recee. I've ordered a new galvanized coil spring frame for the Green Rover. Tom W. sold off the 101, Porche and series III to help pay for the house remodeling. The stock market forced the sell off. Granny got the Snark running and is driving it to the upcoming mud run. Gerry Muggle's D90 had a second mysterious fuel pump failure which left him stranded in the rain. He bought back his series III and sold the D90 to a dealer. Bob had hip replacement surgery and can no longer handle the bumping around. He bought a Freelander and has his series rigs and parts up for sale. Bruce Bonar finally gave into his passion for diesels and traded Spot in for a gray market diesel Land Cruiser. Jeromey got an offer he could not refuse and just started a geology teaching position in Iceland. He left his D90 on the dealer lot and will be buying a new diesel LR real soon now. Fil decided he liked being a camp cook so much he has gone into partnership with Michael Slade in a new LR tour company. Michael does the guiding and Fil does the cooking. So Fil has reoutfitted his rig as a mobile kitchen and both he and Michael Slade have moved to Utah. Michael decided the Serious I is too short for a tour truck and is converting it into a second 145 wheelbase LR. Mo inherited some money and bought a Winery in Mendo. He says he will set up a camp site for LR camping on the property in trade for some winter pruning. Darn, I do need to get the calender function of my computer reset. It is showing the wrong date and month...Never mind TeriAnn Wakeman If you send me direct mail, please Santa Cruz, California start the subject line with TW - twakeman@cruzers.com I will be sure to read the message http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 From bens Tue Feb 12 17:52:57 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1CMqvU05152 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 17:52:57 -0500 Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 17:52:57 -0500 Message-Id: <200202122252.g1CMqvA05148@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: I'm Back! latest on the light brigade, Elgie and The Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Boy! That's a lot of news!! I guess I missed a lot of things in the week I was in the Hospital! Bob B >Paul AArchibald asked: > >what have I missed since Christmas? > > > >Paul At 02:25 PM 2/12/2002, TeriAnn answered: All kinds of stuff.. >Oh not much. >Granny got the Snark running and is driving it to the upcoming mud run. >Bob B had hip replacement surgery and can no longer handle the bumping >around. He bought a Freelander and has his series rigs and parts up for >sale. >TeriAnn Wakeman If you send me direct mail, please From bens Tue Feb 12 17:55:23 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1CMtNO05190 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 17:55:23 -0500 Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 17:55:23 -0500 Message-Id: <200202122255.g1CMtNX05186@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jeff Rogers To: Mendo Recce List Subject: Re: NCRC Mudrun Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org It looks like I'll be heading up on Saturday AM although there is still a possibility that I can leave Friday. If you decide on a campground, let me know. -->Jeff on 2/12/02 12:05 AM, joe mulqueen at joemulqueen@yahoo.com wrote: > > So who's going (this weekend)? Since appreciable rain > doesn't seem likely, I've decided to take my truck > with its street tires. > Does anyone know a convenient camp spot close to the > starting point? I think I'll go up Friday night... > Joe Mulqueen > '67 SIIA 109 SW > Cotati, CA [ 5 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Tue Feb 12 19:46:51 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1D0kpQ05797 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 19:46:51 -0500 Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 19:46:50 -0500 Message-Id: <200202130046.g1D0koK05789@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "mpatrykus" To: , Subject: Help! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org The rear bracket on my C40 generator is cracked, so the generator is vibrating at certain rpms. I am planning on an alternator conversion but for now I'm looking for a used C40 to install until I have more wrench time. Does anyone out there have a C40 laying around that you want to loan or part with outright? Thanks! Mo Patrykus '66 109 Regular "Fandango" Los Angeles mpatrykus@netzero.net ---------------------------------------------------- Sign Up for NetZero Platinum Today Only $9.95 per month! http://my.netzero.net/s/signup?r=platinum&refcd=PT97 From bens Tue Feb 12 19:46:51 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1D0kpT05799 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 19:46:51 -0500 Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 19:46:51 -0500 Message-Id: <200202130046.g1D0kpV05791@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "mpatrykus" To: , Subject: Help! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org The rear bracket on my C40 generator is cracked, so the generator is vibrating at certain rpms. I am planning on an alternator conversion but for now I'm looking for a used C40 to install until I have more wrench time. Does anyone out there have a C40 laying around that you want to loan or part with outright? Thanks! Mo Patrykus '66 109 Regular "Fandango" Los Angeles mpatrykus@netzero.net ---------------------------------------------------- Sign Up for NetZero Platinum Today Only $9.95 per month! http://my.netzero.net/s/signup?r=platinum&refcd=PT97 From bens Tue Feb 12 21:22:27 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1D2MRl06264 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 21:22:27 -0500 Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 21:22:27 -0500 Message-Id: <200202130222.g1D2MRn06260@minbar.fourfold.org> From: john hess To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Help! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I probably have one but they're heavy! Where are you, I'm in Davis. On Tue, 12 Feb 2002, mpatrykus wrote: > > The rear bracket on my C40 generator is cracked, so > the generator is vibrating at certain rpms. I am planning > on an alternator conversion but for now I'm looking for a > used C40 to install until I have more wrench time. Does > anyone out there have a C40 laying around that you want to > loan or part with outright? > > Thanks! [ 11 additional quoted lines pruned. ] john hess, Davis, California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Dormie web pages at http://dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/startpoint.html From bens Tue Feb 12 22:56:49 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1D3unc06689 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 22:56:49 -0500 Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 22:56:49 -0500 Message-Id: <200202130356.g1D3un806685@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Rick Larson" To: Subject: Re: Mud Run Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Depends, more than likey the boggers will coast over everything on the trail. But if it is a real bad year it could be interesting. Last few times I ran the trail with 36" TSL/SX's and could pretty much do what I wanted. In general the problems we run into is that the ruts are dug out by locals with 44" tires. Alot of the time is spent trying to move a lr high centered on it's diffs, all four tires spinning above the bottom of the ruts. Regardless, it is usually a fun trip. Even if you don't get stuck, plenty of others will. Pretty sure I won't have a running D90 that soon. But one never knows. I'd bring the van, but if I got it stuck I don't think we'd ever get it out. Definitely could not do the bypasses in it if the main trail was real bad. Have fun! -Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shane Ballensky" To: Sent: Monday, February 11, 2002 8:03 PM Subject: Re: Mud Run > > Could someone give me some more details other than what's listed on the > website? > Camping over night? > How's the mud? ie could I get stuck or give my new 37" boggers a good test > trying? Or would i have more fun with my half worn out SSR's? > How far or long(time wise) from Berkeley to the meeting place? > Is it possible to cut out early at the end of the first day or will we be > camping at a point too far from the pavement? > thanks, > Shane 94D90 > > > From bens Tue Feb 12 23:10:05 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1D4A5506750 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 23:10:05 -0500 Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 23:10:05 -0500 Message-Id: <200202130410.g1D4A5w06746@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Bruce R. Bonar" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mud Run - on DVD... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Someone, Eric or Mo?, has video of an early (95?) Blue Lakes/Deer Valley run that was quite entertaining. Bruce FHY wrote: > Jason Pipes wrote: > > >This is something I've actually been thinking about the past few months. > >The fact that I don't think anyone has ever formally taken any sort of video > >and offered it to the group from various trips. > > > > Mehdi has footage from 99 Mendo. I think he also has shots taken of the > rig that overturned on the way there. [ 2 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Tue Feb 12 23:22:27 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1D4MR506818 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 23:22:27 -0500 Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 23:22:27 -0500 Message-Id: <200202130422.g1D4MRA06814@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Bruce R. Bonar" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: I'm Back! latest on the light brigade, Elgie and The African Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org The Toyota LC has been very dependable to date but the diesel fumes are getting to me. Bruce TeriAnn Wakeman wrote: > Bruce Bonar finally gave into his passion for diesels and traded Spot in > for a gray market diesel Land Cruiser. From bens Wed Feb 13 00:56:33 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1D5uX008376 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 00:56:33 -0500 Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 00:56:32 -0500 Message-Id: <200202130556.g1D5uWk08372@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jeremy Bartlett To: mendo Subject: Re: NCRC MudRun Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Joe (and anyone else with similar vehicles). I don't mean to be a curmudgeon (or something else :) ) but I'll just pass a word of warning that recent rain or lack thereof doesn't necessarily mean conditions will be appropriate for vehicles where cosmetic damage might be an issue. I'd recommend thinking about it pretty seriously before committing such a vehicle. Part of the risk is that even mild rain (rain is currently called for on Saturday) turns the graded surfaces into skids. Street tires that made the run in prior easy years had a lot of trouble and slowed the group down requiring fore and aft winching at several points. Even some MT's had traction problems. It's the nature of the geology up there. The real problem is the last two hills at the end of the trail. Some years (under weather conditions like this years) we've driven right up them. Other years the primary road is basically impassable and the bermed "bypass" has to be taken; taking the bypass involves high centering LWBs and winching in most years which tells you how nasty the main road can become. (Locals have been "trapped" there .. ask someone about Dodge Boys Hill and the Hill of No Return for a few laughs). Another part of the problem is this: if conditions are passable the locals come out and rooster tail the road into serious ruts near Ft Bragg . If conditions are unpassable ... well enough said. So you're really banking on summer conditions in winter. Having said that I'll admit that chances are fairly good based on (4 or 5?) years that we'll get through with no problem in a long day or a day and a half but your underside will be mud covered, your sill panels may be dented as may your rear quarter panels. I suppose I sound like I'm trying to discourage you but I mostly want to make sure you're aware of the risks to a nicely restored vehicle. Jeremy Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 03:05:23 -0500 From: joe mulqueen Subject: NCRC Mudrun So who's going (this weekend)? Since appreciable rain doesn't seem likely, I've decided to take my truck with its street tires. Does anyone know a convenient camp spot close to the starting point? I think I'll go up Friday night... Joe Mulqueen '67 SIIA 109 SW Cotati, CA From bens Wed Feb 13 01:31:19 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1D6VJT08529 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 01:31:19 -0500 Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 01:31:19 -0500 Message-Id: <200202130631.g1D6VJR08525@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Granville Pool" To: Subject: Re: tires/rims for sale Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Mike Slade wrote: > I have 8 Dunlop Radial Mud Rover tires size 255/75/16 for sale 255/75? Not 255/85? From bens Wed Feb 13 02:28:10 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1D7SAx08801 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 02:28:10 -0500 Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 02:28:10 -0500 Message-Id: <200202130728.g1D7SAi08797@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Tom Walsh" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: I'm Back! latest on the light brigade, Elgie and The Af Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > Tom W. sold off the 101, Porche and series III to help pay for the house > remodeling. The stock market forced the sell off. Hey guys, Toms discount Porsche is open for buisness :) TomW *---------*---------* tomw@fluentnet.com, www.fluentnet.com From bens Wed Feb 13 02:35:00 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1D7Z0X08835 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 02:35:00 -0500 Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 02:34:59 -0500 Message-Id: <200202130734.g1D7YxI08831@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Tom Walsh" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: (TW)Re: I'm Back! latest on the light brigade, Elgie and The Af Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > > Darn, I do need to get the calender function of my computer reset. It is > showing the wrong date and month...Never mind > Actually TeriAnn, half of your E-mail doesn't sort right for me when I sort by date... It shows up as the oldest.... Hmmm Y2k +2 bug? TomW *---------*---------* tomw@fluentnet.com, www.fluentnet.com From bens Wed Feb 13 03:00:46 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1D80kT08973 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 03:00:46 -0500 Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 03:00:46 -0500 Message-Id: <200202130800.g1D80kI08969@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Nick Baggarly" To: Subject: Re: I'm Back! latest on the light brigade, Elgie and The African Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > The Dows sold Nick their 110 & airstream to help finance the remodeling. Actually I financed it. Chris gave me a nice variable rate; zero percent for the first month, after that it goes up but I didn't pay attention... it's only a 30 year loan. Nick From bens Wed Feb 13 11:38:49 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1DGcnh11309 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 11:38:49 -0500 Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 11:38:49 -0500 Message-Id: <200202131638.g1DGcnC11305@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kerner, Rob" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: For Sale Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Used Series Rear axels. These axels lived in Regent for about 2 years until he got his 24 splined upgrade. They look to be in excellent condition. $60 for both. Range Rover Stock bull bar with front light covers. In good shape. One spot in corner where the covering peeled. Was repaired. I think the covering has also peeled some in the center underneith. $75. All proceeds go to the new front bumper for the Rangie. Pick up only. Might deliver in Bay area. -Rob From bens Wed Feb 13 12:07:49 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1DH7n611462 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 12:07:49 -0500 Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 12:07:49 -0500 Message-Id: <200202131707.g1DH7nH11458@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Elam, Gerry (CORP)" To: "'mendo'" Subject: easily entertained... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I love the ranting and such from the South Africa LR list... this one was excellent ...... "Fear is a very powerful motivator for people - (although this does obviously not include anyone who lives with a Series LR; for these people fear was a daily part of life - until they became immune to the fear of breaking down, the fear of being overtaken at every hill, the fear of heavy fuel consumption, the fear of not finding any fencing wire at the side of the road, the fear of ............ and then came THE HORROR! The horror of second hard parts becoming more scarce.........)! " Cheers, Gerry PHX AZ From bens Wed Feb 13 12:17:52 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1DHHqY11541 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 12:17:52 -0500 Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 12:17:52 -0500 Message-Id: <200202131717.g1DHHq011537@minbar.fourfold.org> From: john hess To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Help! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MO, I checked the garage and don't think I have the gen any longer. probably pitched it out figuring I'd never need it, since the Dormie and Stubby have alternators. cheers, >The rear bracket on my C40 generator is cracked, so >the generator is vibrating at certain rpms. I am planning >on an alternator conversion but for now I'm looking for a >used C40 to install until I have more wrench time. Does >anyone out there have a C40 laying around that you want to >loan or part with outright? > >Thanks! >Mo Patrykus [ 9 additional quoted lines pruned. ] John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Land Rover Dormobile web pages: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby" 1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" 1999 Bianchi Milano, 2001 Bianchi Pista From bens Wed Feb 13 12:22:04 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1DHM4C11584 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 12:22:04 -0500 Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 12:22:04 -0500 Message-Id: <200202131722.g1DHM4x11580@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kerner, Rob" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Help! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 38 lines filtered. ] Mo, I have a generator from my Morris lying around. I'll check tonight to see what it is, -Rob From bens Wed Feb 13 12:29:23 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1DHTNg11616 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 12:29:23 -0500 Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 12:29:23 -0500 Message-Id: <200202131729.g1DHTNZ11612@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: " mendo rec list" Subject: Re: (TW)Re: I'm Back! latest on the light brigade, Elgie and The Af Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > > >> >> Darn, I do need to get the calender function of my computer reset. It is >> showing the wrong date and month...Never mind >> >Actually TeriAnn, half of your E-mail doesn't sort right for me when >I sort by date... It shows up as the oldest.... > [ 1 additional quoted lines pruned. ] Nope just a Y2K bug. I'm using Claris e-mailer a product that has not been supported for years. I love everything about the program but the date bug. I would switch to a newer e-mail app but I don't like Eudora and MS Outlook Express expects me to purchase MS office just so I can have a spell checker. No one wants me on line without a spell checker. Ben set up the mendo mail list to correct the date but on my mailer. For all the other lists my send date is usually around 1946 or so. One of these days I'll come across a mail app that I like that comes with a spell checker. TeriAnn Wakeman If you send me direct mail, please Santa Cruz, California start the subject line with TW - twakeman@cruzers.com I will be sure to read the message http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 From bens Wed Feb 13 14:45:39 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1DJjdT12225 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 14:45:39 -0500 Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 14:45:39 -0500 Message-Id: <200202131945.g1DJjd612221@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: TAW Re: (TW)Re: I'm Back! lat Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org TeriAnn, Eudora works just fine and has a spell checker also a dirty word warning.(One two or three red peppers) It even told I was going to get my keyboard washed out with soap for one of the things I wrote. There is a free version, and a free version with a small advert in one corner that acts like the paid for full version with the spell check. Bob B At 09:29 AM 2/13/2002, you wrote: >I would switch to a newer e-mail app but I don't like Eudora and MS >Outlook Express expects me to purchase MS office just so I can have a >spell checker. No one wants me on line without a spell checker. >One of these days I'll come across a mail app that I like that comes with >a spell checker. >TeriAnn From bens Wed Feb 13 15:11:58 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1DKBw812349 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 15:11:58 -0500 Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 15:11:57 -0500 Message-Id: <200202132011.g1DKBvZ12345@minbar.fourfold.org> From: FHY To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: lunch in Emeryville Wed? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Anybody going to be there? Frank ----------------------------- Jason Pipes wrote: >Anybody up for lunch in Emeryville on Wed? Blair, Frank, Mehdi, others? > From bens Wed Feb 13 15:18:59 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1DKIxk12381 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 15:18:59 -0500 Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 15:18:59 -0500 Message-Id: <200202132018.g1DKIxQ12377@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: lunch in Emeryville Wed? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Frank, looks like everyone but just one or two can make it... Lets try and reschedule for new week Wed... Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 From bens Wed Feb 13 15:44:55 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1DKit412507 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 15:44:55 -0500 Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 15:44:55 -0500 Message-Id: <200202132044.g1DKitH12503@minbar.fourfold.org> From: FHY To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: lunch in Emeryville Wed? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org OK. ------------------------------ Jason Pipes wrote: >Frank, looks like everyone but just one or two can make it... Lets try and >reschedule for new week Wed... > >Jason Pipes >jpipes@feldgrau.com >www.feldgrau.com > >1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 > [ 1 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Wed Feb 13 17:09:14 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1DM9E913017 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 17:09:14 -0500 Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 17:09:14 -0500 Message-Id: <200202132209.g1DM9EE13013@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Shannon Holland To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: (TW)Re: I'm Back! latest on the light brigade, Elgie and The Af Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org On Wednesday, February 13, 2002, at 09:29 AM, TeriAnn Wakeman wrote: > One of these days I'll come across a mail app that I like that comes > with > a spell checker. > Well there is Mail.app on OS X... Actually the new version works pretty well - been using it for the last six months or so. As long as you have lots of ram, a fast machine, etc, etc, etc... Hey, I have a powerbook G3 that needs to find a new home... Your rover needs a powerbook you know! Shannon From bens Wed Feb 13 18:59:18 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1DNxIm13533 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 18:59:18 -0500 Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 18:59:18 -0500 Message-Id: <200202132359.g1DNxIn13529@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Keith Shukait To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: How About A South Bay lunch??? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Where: Chipotle's on 10385 South De Anza Blvd. Cupertino It's between Stevens Creek and 85 in Longs Plaza When: This Friday at 11:45 Let me know... Keith 69 Series IIa 109 97 Disco XD From bens Wed Feb 13 19:19:11 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1E0JBd13638 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 19:19:11 -0500 Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 19:19:10 -0500 Message-Id: <200202140019.g1E0JA713634@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: " mendo rec list" Subject: Re: (TW)Re: I'm Back! latest on the light brigade, Elgie and The Af Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > > >On Wednesday, February 13, 2002, at 09:29 AM, TeriAnn Wakeman wrote: > >> One of these days I'll come across a mail app that I like that comes >> with >> a spell checker. >> > [ 3 additional quoted lines pruned. ] It was wicked fast when it was new at the end of '97, but... I'm running a 9600/350 and 8.6 >Hey, I have a powerbook G3 that needs to find a new home... Your rover >needs a powerbook you know! The G3 is probably a little weak for sys X. Of couse peripherials might be a problem. The large format Nikon scanner, flatbed scanner, external Jaxx and Zip drives are all SCSI and the printer is on thinlan ethernet. I'm a little strapped for cash these days. Dare I ask for particulars off the list? Does it come with a spell checker that works with Outlook or a date bug patch for Claris e-mailer? TeriAnn Wakeman If you send me direct mail, please Santa Cruz, California start the subject line with TW - twakeman@cruzers.com I will be sure to read the message http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 From bens Thu Feb 14 01:03:26 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1E63Qg16293 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 01:03:26 -0500 Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 01:03:26 -0500 Message-Id: <200202140603.g1E63QV16289@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Bob Frey" To: Subject: (ot) Claris Emailer Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org TA and all, I'll never be totally weaned from e-mailer. It would allow me to search for a key word or phrase in the content of thousands of messages at one keystroke.....to strip quotes easily as well as fomatting.... to use and write scripts for sorting and deleting junk so easily..... and to navigate through tons of mail so quickly. The open architecture spurned third party tools that added even more utility. Recently, I was able to get back on the old Mac and filter all the Mendo emails for the past years regarding the trials and tribulations of the former Ridgecrest Rover that now graces my driveway. Shoot, if I'd thought of it sooner I should have posted this from the old box. Bob Frey > Nope just a Y2K bug. I'm using Claris e-mailer a product that has not > been supported for years. I love everything about the program but the > date bug. > > From bens Thu Feb 14 13:22:31 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1EIMVl19864 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 13:22:31 -0500 Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 13:22:31 -0500 Message-Id: <200202141822.g1EIMVC19860@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Polla Slade" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: tires/rims for sale Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Granville is right. They're 255/85's. Sorry for the confusion. ;) M >From: "Granville Pool" >Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >To: >Subject: Re: tires/rims for sale >Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 01:31:19 -0500 > >Mike Slade wrote: > > > I have 8 Dunlop Radial Mud Rover tires size 255/75/16 for sale [ 4 additional quoted lines pruned. ] _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From bens Thu Feb 14 14:19:40 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1EJJeL20177 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 14:19:40 -0500 Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 14:19:39 -0500 Message-Id: <200202141919.g1EJJdw20173@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Polla Slade" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Spring cleaning...Looking for Lovedu transcripts available. Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org FREE TO GOOD HOME Looking for Lovedu (some of you may remember this). I was so enamored with it I printed out each day's transcripts. They have been found and are available for FREE!!!! Let me know where to send them. Printed on el-cheapo paper, in black and white. If I don't hear from anyone by tomorrow they're outta here! Michael _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From bens Thu Feb 14 15:37:23 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1EKbND20567 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 15:37:23 -0500 Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 15:37:23 -0500 Message-Id: <200202142037.g1EKbNT20563@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Spring cleaning...Looking for Lovedu transcripts available. Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Very interesting! I am reading this book right now! What a read. I was thinking of transcribing one small section about the road system in Zarie, as it makes the thought of our mud run this weekend seem like a drive in a parking lot. I wonder if these transcripts are the same thing as in this book? Have others read/seen this book? jpipes >FREE TO GOOD HOME > >Looking for Lovedu (some of you may remember this). > >I was so enamored with it I printed out each day's transcripts. They have >been found and are available for FREE!!!! > >Let me know where to send them. Printed on el-cheapo paper, in black and >white. [ 9 additional quoted lines pruned. ] -- Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 From bens Thu Feb 14 20:35:52 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1F1Zqp22054 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 20:35:52 -0500 Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 20:35:52 -0500 Message-Id: <200202150135.g1F1Zqd22050@minbar.fourfold.org> From: joe mulqueen To: mendo Subject: re. mud run Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hello, Well, since I've been unable to decide on a long wanted tire purchase, I've borrowed a set of 7.50x16 Michelin XZL's. My recovery gear is: D rings on the front, pintle on the rear, 20Klb strap, 2 shackles and a shovel. I'll also pick up a good piece of chain to connect the D-rings. Joe Mulqueen '67 SIIA 109 SW __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com From bens Thu Feb 14 20:57:18 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1F1vI622152 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 20:57:18 -0500 Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 20:57:18 -0500 Message-Id: <200202150157.g1F1vIE22148@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: mud run convoy... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org A group of us is leaving the Bay area tomorrow after work, likely after 6pm-ish. It'll be fun driving up yapping on the cb, making faces, staring at the Rover in front of you, etc. Anyone that wants to join us, let it be known! Thanks, looking forward to the weekend. Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 From bens Fri Feb 15 11:40:15 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1FGeF527297 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 11:40:15 -0500 Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 11:40:14 -0500 Message-Id: <200202151640.g1FGeEl27293@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Elam, Gerry (CORP)" To: "'mendo'" Subject: PDF of various LR bits, accessories, winches, etc..... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org http://www.landrover.ee/est/varia/downloads/downloads.htm has a lot of various LR bits and pieces to download as follows: LT 230R gearbox manual-PDF Land Rover S-III gearbox description and parts-PDF Land Rover S-III High speeds-PDF Land Rover S-III Low speeds-PDF Land Rover S-III gearbox with owerdrive-PDF Land Rover S-III gearbox without owerdrive-PDF Land Rover S-III speeds with Owewrdive-PDF PTO Transmission Adapter-PDF Fairey Free Wheeling Hubs-PDF SuperWinch Overdrive manual ja kirjeldus -PDF Koenig Crank Driven Winch Manual-PDF Aeroparts Capstan Winch-PDF Ramsey PTO Winch-PDF HiJack Lift-PDF Dual 12V battary fitting-PDF Early S-IIA negative earth pertol electrical system (Color) -PDF Webber 1bbl Carb Installation-PDF BMW M52 Engine technical reference information-PDF Land Rover Defender 2,8i handbook (BMW M52 Engine)-PDF ROVERS NORTH Land Rover'i varuosade kataloog-PDF ROVERS NORTH Range Rover ja Discovery varuosade kataloog-PDF DAP Land Rover acessories catalogue-PDF DAP Range Rover ,Discovery, Defender parts catalogue-PDF DAP Series Land Rover parts catalogue-PDF Figured someone might benefit from these. All of the ones I looked at were in English also. Cheers, Gerry From bens Fri Feb 15 14:20:15 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1FJKFk28041 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 14:20:15 -0500 Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 14:20:15 -0500 Message-Id: <200202151920.g1FJKFq28037@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: ahhhh! they're ruining it!!!! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Ack, the soon to be released (2003) upgraded front end of the Disco. http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/guest/newnews/media/1-4013.jpeg Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 From bens Fri Feb 15 14:41:01 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1FJf1f28161 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 14:41:01 -0500 Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 14:41:01 -0500 Message-Id: <200202151941.g1FJf1728157@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Rich Williams" To: Subject: Re: ahhhh! they're ruining it!!!! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org It'll just blend in with everything else at the local shopping mall. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jason Pipes To: Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 11:20 AM Subject: ahhhh! they're ruining it!!!! Ack, the soon to be released (2003) upgraded front end of the Disco. http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/guest/newnews/media/1-4013.jpeg Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 From bens Fri Feb 15 14:44:41 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1FJif528175 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 14:44:41 -0500 Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 14:44:40 -0500 Message-Id: <200202151944.g1FJie828171@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Brian Horner To: Subject: Re: ahhhh! they're ruining it!!!! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org 1. I noticed they left off the air-dam, I LIKE IT! 2. What is that sidestep thingie popping out under the back door? Is that: "Discovery! With Switchblade action, kung-fu grip side steps" or is that just something else? 3. It looks, for the most part, unchanged (except for the headlights). Did I mention how happy I am about the removal of the air-dam? Brian On 2/15/02 11:20 AM, "Jason Pipes" wrote: > > Ack, the soon to be released (2003) upgraded front end of the Disco. > > http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/guest/newnews/media/1-4013.jpeg > > Jason Pipes > jpipes@feldgrau.com > www.feldgrau.com > [ 3 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ------------------------ http://www.roverme.org "Land Rover community, links and email services." From bens Fri Feb 15 15:10:30 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1FKAUw28320 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 15:10:30 -0500 Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 15:10:30 -0500 Message-Id: <200202152010.g1FKAUN28316@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: ahhhh! they're ruining it!!!! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Also found this ref to the "Disco III" The exterior for Discovery will be a revolution rather than an evolution. Keyfeatures: Rear mounted spare tire will move inside, new split tailgate similar to Range Rover's, optional long wheelbase, optional air-suspension, overall look much sportier. Ouch! Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 From bens Fri Feb 15 15:16:22 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1FKGM028360 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 15:16:22 -0500 Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 15:16:21 -0500 Message-Id: <200202152016.g1FKGLm28356@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: " mendo rec list" Subject: Re: ahhhh! they're ruining it!!!! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >It'll just blend in with everything else at the local shopping mall. I thought it did already. TeriAnn Wakeman If you send me direct mail, please Santa Cruz, California start the subject line with TW - twakeman@cruzers.com I will be sure to read the message http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 From bens Fri Feb 15 15:24:37 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1FKObN28397 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 15:24:37 -0500 Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 15:24:37 -0500 Message-Id: <200202152024.g1FKObG28393@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Rich Williams" To: Subject: Re: ahhhh! they're ruining it!!!! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >>It'll just blend in with everything else at the local shopping mall. >I thought it did already. It'll just blend in "MORE" with everything else at the local shopping mall. - Rich From bens Fri Feb 15 15:36:10 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1FKaAj28471 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 15:36:10 -0500 Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 15:36:10 -0500 Message-Id: <200202152036.g1FKaAx28467@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Brian Horner To: Subject: Re: ahhhh! they're ruining it!!!! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Okay - I was trying to be positive about this but now your scaring me.... Moving the rear mounted tire inside is good because? At least it'll be sporty - sorry. Brian On 2/15/02 12:10 PM, "Jason Pipes" wrote: > > > Also found this ref to the "Disco III" > > The exterior for Discovery will be a revolution rather than an evolution. > Keyfeatures: Rear mounted spare tire will move inside, new split tailgate > similar to Range Rover's, optional long wheelbase, optional air-suspension, > overall look much sportier. > [ 9 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ------------------------ http://www.roverme.org "Land Rover community, links and email services." From bens Fri Feb 15 17:22:08 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1FMM8m28960 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 17:22:08 -0500 Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 17:22:08 -0500 Message-Id: <200202152222.g1FMM8j28956@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Peter Ogilvie" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: ahhhh! they're ruining it!!!! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Moving tire inside will mean it won't be so easy to steal or vandalize. Also a minor bumper knock will not turn into a $2,000 repair bill because the tire mount bent the door all out of whack, BTDT. What it will also do is put the tire inside where it takes up valuable room. It sure is handy to get at the spare outside on the door and it is also a good place to hang bike racks, etc. Loosing the air dam will hopefully provide a better approach angle and leave less litter on the trail. Fog lights in the air dam, now there was a brilliant idea!! Styling changes are just that, styling changes. Be thankful that it's still solid axles and coil springs, not a new Rangie Wannabe!! Unfortunately, the increased rear overhang of the DII will probably still be there along with the electronic stuff. Aloha Peter O. >From: Brian Horner >Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >To: >Subject: Re: ahhhh! they're ruining it!!!! >Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 15:36:10 -0500 > >Okay - I was trying to be positive about this but now your scaring me.... >Moving the rear mounted tire inside is good because? At least it'll be >sporty - sorry. [ 23 additional quoted lines pruned. ] _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From bens Fri Feb 15 18:35:47 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1FNZlU29326 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 18:35:47 -0500 Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 18:35:47 -0500 Message-Id: <200202152335.g1FNZls29322@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Granny To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Cc: gpool@pacific.net Subject: Rear Mounted Spares, was Re: ahhhh! they're ruining it!!!! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Peter Ogilvie wrote: > Moving tire inside will mean it won't be so easy to steal or vandalize. > Also a minor bumper knock will not turn into a $2,000 repair bill because > the tire mount bent the door all out of whack, BTDT. There are serious drawbacks off-road of having a rear-mounted spare tire, so this move may be viewed as a positive one in that regard, too. With a rear- mounted spare, safe departure angle is considerably reduced. On Series Land- Rovers, as many of us know from bitter experience, the stock, low-positioned mounting of the rear spare was ripe for getting a caved-in rear door when you dropped off a bank to cross a creek or gulch. I moved mine up quite a bit on at least one of mine but it still was vulnerable. I mostly have used the bonnet-mounting set-up for that reason (okay, and because it looks so cool). That, too, of course, has major drawbacks off-road, as it very much impairs visibility up close. That's bad when trying to negotiate difficult terrain. So I often take my spare off altogether and left it in camp when I was out conquering the trails. The Disco Series I appears to have protected the rear spare from the above scenario, at least to some degree, by having its rear bumper stick way out to the rear. That, again, of course, reduces departure angle considerably. I have not studied the Disco Series II's design as much to be clear on that relationship. It appeared to me, at casual glance, that its greater rear body overhang might have been somewhat mitigated by having less rearward bumper protrusion but, if so, its spare is probably less protected. Regarding my Range Rover, I occasionally remove my spare from the inside and put it on the roof rack as it's not bothered by rain and dust as much as some other gear that I want to put inside. Most of the time, though, I'm glad the spare's inside so I don't have to move it out of the way to open the tailgates. And I do like the tailgates better than the door I have on my Series III. I like a door on the rear if the rear compartment is actually used for passengers, otherwise, I prefer split tailgates. Granny From bens Fri Feb 15 22:17:26 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1G3HQk30367 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 22:17:26 -0500 Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 22:17:25 -0500 Message-Id: <200202160317.g1G3HP530363@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Fil F." To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: de Carbon shock absorbers Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org hi all, anybody have any experience with the de Carbon brand shock absorbers in use in the D90? i have OME right now and they are 4 years old, i am looking to replace my shocks with a new set of OME or de Carbon, i know this tread has been beat up already but i deleted some my files regarding this issue have fun in the mud run !! tia, fil _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From bens Fri Feb 15 22:38:49 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1G3cnx30491 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 22:38:49 -0500 Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 22:38:49 -0500 Message-Id: <200202160338.g1G3cnJ30487@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Bruce R. Bonar" To: "mendo_recce@fourfold.org" Subject: Eldorado NF Closure Lawsuit Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org The following is an "ALERT" from Don Klusman the Northern CA Natural Resources consultant to Cal Association of 4 Wheel Drive Clubs. I am hoping to be able to read the actual complaint soon to better evaluate the actual action being pursued but at least on the surface it appears to be an effort by several closure groups to use the burden of a lawsuit to coerce the Forest Service to negotiate a settlement favorable to CBD, CSNC, and CWC without a public hearing. These and similar groups have been very successful using these tactics with BLM. Rather than resist the lawsuit it's easier to give in to the plaintiff which denies those with an opposing viewpoint there opportunity to speak in defense of an alternative solution or non-action. The Blue Ribbon Coalition, CA4WD, and others are going to be filing a counter suit in hopes of preventing the FS from giving in without a fight. I strongly urge all of those with even the slightest interest in multiple use of PUBLIC lands to offer support to the BRC, CA4WD, CORVA and other organizations protecting the right to recreate on National Forest land. I also urge you to contact your Congressman and Senators to urge them to support a strong USFS response against the lawsuit. The Blue Ribbon Colition webpage is http://www.sharetrails.org/ Bruce Bonar Public Affairs Officer Northern California Rover Club The groups below have filed a lawsuit against the Eldorado National Forest. CENTER FOR SIERRA NEVADA CONSERVATION, a non-profit corporation, CENTER FOR BIOLOGICAL DIVERSITY, a non-profit corporation, and CALIFORNIA WILDERNESS COALITION, a non-profit corporation. Plaintiffs, vs. JOHN BERRY, in his official capacity as Forest Supervisor for the Eldorado National Forest; JACK BLACKWELL, in his official capacity as Regional Forester for Region Five, U.S. Forest Service; UNITED STATES FOREST SERVICE, an agency of the U.S. Department of Agriculture, Defendants. In this lawsuit the plaintiffs are asking the court to do many things. Below are the issues that affect us and the public access to the Eldorado National Forest. This will affect all OHV trails and roads. Just some of the trails that will be closed are as follows: ¨ Bassi Falls 4WD Trail ¨ Barrett Lake 4WD Trail ¨ Hell Hole 4WD Trail ¨ Rubicon 4WD Trail ¨ Iron Mountain road (winter use) ¨ Strawberry 4WD Trail ¨ McKinstry Creek 4WD Trail ¨ Many other 4WD Trails 9. Enter an order enjoining Defendants (1) from allowing ORV use anywhere in the Eldorado National Forest and (2) from implementing any ORV-related development projects or authorizing any ORV uses anywhere in the Forest – such as trail designation, construction and/or reconstruction, use permits, and staging area designation and/or development – until (1) completion of a forestwide ORV plan with routes designated in compliance with the ORV trail-designation procedures set forth in NFMA, USFS’ regulations, and Executive Orders 11644 and 11989; (2) preparation of an EIS to analyze the impacts of the proposed forestwide ORV plan, including a “No Project” alternative; and (3) adoption and filing of a Record of Decision for the forestwide ORV plan; 10. Issue an injunction compelling Defendants to comply with NFMA, USFS’ regulations, and Executive Orders 11644 and 11989 by (1) prohibiting all ORV use in the Eldorado National Forest; and (2) refraining from all ORV-related development projects in the Forest until the following steps are taken: (1) completion of a forestwide ORV plan with routes designated in compliance with the ORV trail-designation procedures set forth in NFMA, USFS’ regulations, and Executive Orders 11644 and 11989; (2) preparation of an EIS to analyze the impacts of the proposed forestwide ORV plan, including a “No Project” alternative, and (3) adoption and filing of a Record of Decision for the forestwide ORV plan; 16. Enter an order enjoining Defendants from using categorical exclusions to avoid NEPA review of special use permits for ORV activities where the activity is not clearly covered by an available category of categorical exclusion as set forth by the Service’s regulations; This is not a drill! These are your Public Lands that Will be CLOSED if we do nothing! This suit has been filed in Federal Court and it takes money to fight in court. This is not the time for people to say well I don’t go there so someone else will help out. If we allow this to happen in the Eldorado, it will not stop there. What forest or other area will be next? We MUST stand up NOW! How can you help? We need money to pay for court costs. Join us now in fighting this effort to close our public lands. Donate to CA4WDC Legal Fund today! If you would like more information, please contact me, Don Klusman. My contact information is Phone # (530) 671-4587, email klusman@syix.com. From bens Fri Feb 15 23:24:21 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1G4OLP30711 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 23:24:21 -0500 Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 23:24:20 -0500 Message-Id: <200202160424.g1G4OKT30707@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Russ Wilson To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: ahhhh! they're ruining it!!!! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Ack, the soon to be released (2003) upgraded front end of the Disco. > >http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/guest/newnews/media/1-4013.jpeg > >Jason Pipes >jpipes@feldgrau.com >www.feldgrau.com > >1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 -- The fact that it nearly matches the front of the Rangie comes as a shock to you? I don't think it looks that bad. However I'd hate to see the bill if you bashed up one of those headlights on the trail. RW From bens Sat Feb 16 00:01:32 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1G51W031003 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 00:01:32 -0500 Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 00:01:32 -0500 Message-Id: <200202160501.g1G51W930999@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Peter M Hope" To: Subject: Re: PDF of various LR bits, accessories, winches, etc..... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > PTO Transmission Adapter-PDF > Fairey Free Wheeling Hubs-PDF > SuperWinch Overdrive manual ja kirjeldus -PDF > Koenig Crank Driven Winch Manual-PDF > Aeroparts Capstan Winch-PDF > Ramsey PTO Winch-PDF > HiJack Lift-PDF > Early S-IIA negative earth pertol electrical system (Color) -PDF > Webber 1bbl Carb Installation-PDF And all of these they downloaded from my web site. I made the PDF's, still have my file name :-) Pete www.aloharovers.com From bens Sat Feb 16 03:00:43 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1G80hu00300 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 03:00:43 -0500 Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 03:00:42 -0500 Message-Id: <200202160800.g1G80g632764@minbar.fourfold.org> From: LRDino@aol.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #665 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hello People, Wish I could join you, but me clutch in me 95 5 Speed Disco at 109,000 miles is giving up the ghost and I'm short $1,100.00 right now. Have fun. Dino G Sacramento, CA From bens Sat Feb 16 12:06:24 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1GH6OI02689 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 12:06:24 -0500 Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 12:06:24 -0500 Message-Id: <200202161706.g1GH6Op02685@minbar.fourfold.org> From: James Howard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: PDF of various LR bits, accessories, winches, etc..... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org On Sat, 16 Feb 2002, Peter M Hope wrote: > > And all of these they downloaded from my web site. I made the PDF's, still > have my file name :-) > Pete > www.aloharovers.com If you pay for the airfare, I will be happy to visit Estonia for you this summer and have a few words with them. James From bens Sat Feb 16 12:15:09 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1GHF9Z02731 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 12:15:09 -0500 Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 12:15:08 -0500 Message-Id: <200202161715.g1GHF8402727@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kevin Kelly" To: "Mendo List" Subject: Mag Mount AM/FM Radio Antenna Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Has anyone ever heard of a AM FM mag mount radio antenna? If I did find a mag mount antenna could I plug it in to a Y adapter and use it along with the Range Rovers in glass radio antenna (any problem with two radio antennas)? On road trips the in glass antenna does not work well in rural areas. Kevin Kelly From bens Sat Feb 16 18:08:18 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1GN8I304525 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 18:08:18 -0500 Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 18:08:17 -0500 Message-Id: <200202162308.g1GN8HW04521@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Chuck Huston To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: 4WD amateur radio frequencies? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I'm taking the Technician exam tomorrow morning and just bought a Yaesu VX-5R radio (handheld). It can receive many frequencies, and can transmit on all/part of a few of the "Technician" bands; 6M (50-54 MHz), 2M (144-148 MHz), and 70cm (430-450 MHz). The local group that I'm working with to cover a bike race uses repeaters on the 70cm band. Which repeaters/frequencies are most often used by Land Rover folks (and in the Mendocino National Forest areas)? Chuck '98 Disco Fairfield, CA From bens Sat Feb 16 18:55:05 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1GNt5r04855 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 18:55:05 -0500 Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 18:55:05 -0500 Message-Id: <200202162355.g1GNt5l04851@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Christopher Dow" To: Subject: RE: 4WD amateur radio frequencies? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 26 lines filtered. ] We usually use 146.500 and 446.500 (2m preferred) when we're on the road on up in Mendo. C From bens Sat Feb 16 22:30:08 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1H3U8q05855 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 22:30:08 -0500 Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 22:30:08 -0500 Message-Id: <200202170330.g1H3U8b05851@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Peter M Hope" To: Subject: Re: PDF of various LR bits, accessories, winches, etc..... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > > And all of these they downloaded from my web site. I made the PDF's, still > > have my file name :-) > > Pete > > www.aloharovers.com > > If you pay for the airfare, I will be happy to visit Estonia for you this > summer and have a few words with them. > > James Nope, not needed. I was just pointing out that many of those files have been on the web for a number of years. Pete From bens Sun Feb 17 05:40:20 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1HAeK308966 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 05:40:20 -0500 Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 05:40:20 -0500 Message-Id: <200202171040.g1HAeKC08962@minbar.fourfold.org> From: joe mulqueen To: mendo Subject: mud run done Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Just returned home. Nine trucks went through. We made it to Ft Bragg about 8:00pm (bummer - hoping to camp on the trail and wake up to frying bacon and strong coffee!). This was a first time journey for me. Muddy ruts and/or pools of muck in 6-8 regions. Some deep enough to high center. Often impossible to stay out of those very ruts due to side slopes and slip n sliding. Almost everyone needed tugging or winching at some point. There was a steady drizzle during the last 2 hours. I don't think anyone suffered damage other than scratches and muddy interiors - good! Good night, Joe Mulqueen '67 SIIA 109 SW __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com From bens Sun Feb 17 15:52:14 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1HKqEZ11660 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 15:52:14 -0500 Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 15:52:13 -0500 Message-Id: <200202172052.g1HKqDI11656@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Gbrovers@aol.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: de Carbon shock absorbers Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In a message dated 2/15/02 6:48:48 PM, fil109sw@hotmail.com writes: << anybody have any experience with the de Carbon brand shock absorbers in use in the D90? i have OME right now and they are 4 years old, i am looking to replace my shocks with a new set of OME or de Carbon, i know this tread has been beat up already but i deleted some my files regarding this issue have fun in the mud run !! tia, fi >> Fil Just buy Bilsteins as an De Carbon both use the same technology (high pressure gas monotubes) and Bilsteins are a higher quality piece and less expensive in the USA. Bill GBR From bens Mon Feb 18 00:58:13 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1I5wDK15346 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 00:58:13 -0500 Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 00:58:13 -0500 Message-Id: <200202180558.g1I5wDJ15342@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kevin Kelly" To: "Mendo List" Subject: New Santana/Land Rover Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I thought someone might like to see the new Santana/Land Rover: http://www.difflock.com/buyersguide/newcars/santana_hannibal .shtml Kevin From bens Mon Feb 18 01:34:35 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1I6YZm15535 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 01:34:35 -0500 Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 01:34:35 -0500 Message-Id: <200202180634.g1I6YZc15531@minbar.fourfold.org> From: joe mulqueen To: mendo Subject: mudrun pics Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I have a few action digipics worth sharing. The content is mainly Disco and 110 (both day and night) but also have two OK 109 shots. If interested, send me a direct email. JoeMulqueen '67 SIIA 109 SW __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com From bens Mon Feb 18 02:30:32 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1I7UWn15800 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 02:30:32 -0500 Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 02:30:32 -0500 Message-Id: <200202180730.g1I7UWn15796@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Granville Pool" To: Subject: Re: New Santana/Land Rover Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > I thought someone might like to see the new Santana/Land > Rover: This is a great surprise, after Santana has been out of the Land-Rover business for some time. Amazing choice to have gone back to leaf springs. Go figure! Granny From bens Mon Feb 18 03:04:34 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1I84YN15960 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 03:04:34 -0500 Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 03:04:33 -0500 Message-Id: <200202180804.g1I84Xk15956@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Peter Ogilvie" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: New Santana/Land Rover Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Santana never went with coils. They built what should have been the Series Four Rover for a few years in competition with Solihull then dropped the Santana/Rover line entirely. Believe Rover got antsy about how far the Santana had devolved from the Series three and didn't want the competition. Santana then switched over to making Suzuki's. Believe the Hannibal is enitirely Santana's own truck, though with things like the dash borrowed from the Suzuki. Looks like my kind of truck with minimal electronics and the simplicity of leafs. Too bad it probably won't be imported because the cost of getting it certified. The truck has been in development for way longer than a year. Paul Hejstee, of TI Console fame, has had pictures of up and running prototypes on his website for a long while. Was just wondering if anything had come of the project. Doesn't mention if its part time 4wd or whether things like axle differential locks will be available from the factory. Does anyone know what Thompson style frame rails are. Wonder if Santana dropped the box frame of the Rover for the 'C' section frame rails like all the other manufacturers?? Aloha Peter O. >From: "Granville Pool" >Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >To: >Subject: Re: New Santana/Land Rover >Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 02:30:32 -0500 > > > I thought someone might like to see the new Santana/Land > > Rover: > [ 7 additional quoted lines pruned. ] _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From bens Mon Feb 18 03:53:16 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1I8rGu16173 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 03:53:16 -0500 Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 03:53:16 -0500 Message-Id: <200202180853.g1I8rG616169@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: mudrun pics Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I'd like to see them Joe! Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 From bens Mon Feb 18 11:25:31 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1IGPVU18300 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 11:25:31 -0500 Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 11:25:31 -0500 Message-Id: <200202181625.g1IGPVE18296@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: Exterior rear-mounted spare Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org For those worried about spare tires mounted outside on the rear, check out the G-wagen from the latest Dakar Rally. How about TWO spares, sandwiched together on the rear exterior! :^) Not meaning to argue, I just got this link this weekend and the tires jumped out at me as being timely and something of an excuse to share some cool pix. http://www.g4rce.net/engl/gallery-sport-2.html -Dave G. From bens Mon Feb 18 12:37:20 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1IHbK218696 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 12:37:20 -0500 Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 12:37:20 -0500 Message-Id: <200202181737.g1IHbKv18692@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: " mendo rec list" Subject: Re: New Santana/Land Rover Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >This is a great surprise, after Santana has been out of the Land-Rover >business for some time. Amazing choice to have gone back to leaf springs. >Go figure! Remember Santana is the company that brought you parabolic springs that just happen fit Land Rovers (T.I. Console made popular as a Land Rover conversion). Santana was adding things like parabolic springs, power steering, front disk brakes and stretched the LR four cylinder engine out into a six cylinder version. I suspect the leaf springs in the new vehicle are really parabolic leaf springs given Santana's history. Some of us think leaf springs are OK. But it would be fun to have one of the Hannibals to play with. TeriAnn Wakeman If you send me direct mail, please Santa Cruz, California start the subject line with TW - twakeman@cruzers.com I will be sure to read the message http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 From bens Mon Feb 18 13:56:51 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1IIupi19119 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 13:56:51 -0500 Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 13:56:51 -0500 Message-Id: <200202181856.g1IIupv19115@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Peter Ogilvie" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Exterior rear-mounted spare Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org What an ugly POS, that G wagon. Looks like an AMC Gremlin on a bad acid trip after a long history of Steroid abuse. Mounting tires outside on the rear solves some problems and creates some. Efficacy is largely based on the engineering of the design and willingness to pay the price when someone uses the wheels as a bumper substitute. Aloha Peter Ogilvie >From: "Gomes, David" >Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" >Subject: Exterior rear-mounted spare >Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 11:25:31 -0500 > >For those worried about spare tires mounted outside on the rear, check out >the G-wagen from the latest Dakar Rally. How about TWO spares, sandwiched >together on the rear exterior! :^) Not meaning to argue, I just got this [ 6 additional quoted lines pruned. ] _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From bens Mon Feb 18 18:22:56 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1INMul20440 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 18:22:56 -0500 Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 18:22:56 -0500 Message-Id: <200202182322.g1INMud20436@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "G. mugele" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Land Rovers in New Zealand. Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Thought you should all know that Land Rovers are an amazing bargain down here. I stopped to have a look at an absolutely pristine working Series III 88 Pickup in Rotorua. It's the parts delivery truck for the local BMW/LR dealership. The owner said that it's available for $12K NZ.... That's about $5.2K US. They have a new TD5 D110 4-door on the lot, A/C and the works for $64K NZ (figure $30K US). They also had a TD5 D90 ES model which is bascially a loaded all metallic black D90 with chrome bullbar, A/C, running boards (but look easy to remove) and other fancy stuff with diamond plate on all the appropriate surfaces. It's about $24K US. Used Series trucks seem to be mostly well loved and maintained. When they are available the prices are amazingly low. I dunno why. I think that imports from NZ to the US would be much more reasonable than from the UK. Gerry From bens Mon Feb 18 18:48:16 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1INmGn20599 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 18:48:16 -0500 Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 18:48:15 -0500 Message-Id: <200202182348.g1INmFH20595@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "G. mugele" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Land Rovers in New Zealand. Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I forgot to mention that the new D90 is a 2001 model but the 110 is a 2002. Also nearly all the Discos are 5-spd as are the freelanders. Gerry From bens Mon Feb 18 20:07:26 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1J17Qr20984 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 20:07:26 -0500 Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 20:07:26 -0500 Message-Id: <200202190107.g1J17QT20980@minbar.fourfold.org> From: James Howard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Land Rovers in New Zealand. Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I had heard that vehicles in general in NZ were expensive because they have such a high import tax (75%?), and therefore people took VERY good care of their cars. Can you enlighten us whether this is true? One of my old coworkers, who was married to a New Zealander, retired many years ago and moved to NZ to become the official Corvette importer. James From bens Mon Feb 18 21:56:56 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1J2uup21512 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 21:56:56 -0500 Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 21:56:56 -0500 Message-Id: <200202190256.g1J2uur21508@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Tom Walsh" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Exterior rear-mounted spare Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > > What an ugly POS, that G wagon. Looks like an AMC Gremlin on a bad acid > trip after a long history of Steroid abuse. That was so funny I have to clean my monitor screen, Thanks! TomW :) > > Mounting tires outside on the rear solves some problems and creates some. > Efficacy is largely based on the engineering of the design and willingness > to pay the price when someone uses the wheels as a bumper substitute. > > Aloha > Peter Ogilvie > > [ 19 additional quoted lines pruned. ] *---------*---------* Tomw & the Killer Bee, tomw@fluentnet.com, www.fluentnet.com From bens Tue Feb 19 04:14:33 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1J9EXT24147 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 04:14:33 -0500 Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 04:14:32 -0500 Message-Id: <200202190914.g1J9EWv24143@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Doesn't look like a RR to me... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org This is being sold on ebay as a Land Rover Range Rover, a "1973 Range Rover" in fact... http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/aw-cgi/ebayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1804960195 &r=0&t=0 jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 From bens Tue Feb 19 04:34:21 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1J9YLO24184 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 04:34:21 -0500 Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 04:34:20 -0500 Message-Id: <200202190934.g1J9YK224180@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Keith Shukait To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: My Mojave pics... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org All, Here's my corny web site with our Mojave pics. http://homepage.mac.com/shukait/PhotoAlbum5.html Cheers, Keith From bens Tue Feb 19 10:51:16 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1JFpGr25881 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 10:51:16 -0500 Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 10:51:15 -0500 Message-Id: <200202191551.g1JFpFx25877@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kerner, Rob" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: mudrun pics Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 19 lines filtered. ] Joe send to me for the newsletter please -Rob From bens Tue Feb 19 10:53:49 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1JFrnX25904 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 10:53:49 -0500 Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 10:53:49 -0500 Message-Id: <200202191553.g1JFrn825900@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Christopher Dow" To: Subject: RE: My Mojave pics... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Thanks, Keith! I may ask to use a couple of those. C From bens Tue Feb 19 12:31:02 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1JHV2N26378 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 12:31:02 -0500 Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 12:31:01 -0500 Message-Id: <200202191731.g1JHV1D26374@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Doesn't look like a RR to me... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi, I looked at the auction and he also has a 99 disco engine sitting at $1000 right now. Along with some bucket seats starting? at $100. I've been talking with him on email, and he doesn't know a lot about the S3-88 land rover. Right now it's around the corner in his storage yard so he doesn't know how it runs yet. It was a write-off donation. Bob B At 01:14 AM 2/19/2002, you wrote: >This is being sold on ebay as a Land Rover Range Rover, a "1973 Range Rover" >in fact... >http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/aw-cgi/ebayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1804960195 >&r=0&t=0 >jpipes@feldgrau.com From bens Tue Feb 19 14:09:32 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1JJ9W626807 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 14:09:32 -0500 Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 14:09:32 -0500 Message-Id: <200202191909.g1JJ9We26803@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: NAS 110/90 rear step bumber and brush bar f/s Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I have a used NAS 110 rear step bumper f/s (RNB065). It was recently removed from the 110. It is in great shape, no rust at all. Does have some significant rubbing on the under side of the main rear cross member but is otherwise unharmed, like new. I will have it professionally cleaned and shipped if needed. This item sells for $1885.00 via Rovers North, check the catalog. For Mendo I'm asking $800.00. I also have the original brush bar sold with this 110 for sale, in mint never used condition. I do believe that this bar fits both the 90 and the 110 as they afix to the same front bumper. For Mendo I'm asking 250.00. Thanks for looking! Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 From bens Tue Feb 19 14:16:25 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1JJGPr26878 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 14:16:25 -0500 Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 14:16:25 -0500 Message-Id: <200202191916.g1JJGPC26874@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: NAS 110 60k service and error codes? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org It's time for the 60k service on the 110... Now that I have a work shop space, I'd like to do this myself. I'm sure this service is almsot identical as on the 90, and very much like other Rovers as well at this mileage. Does anyone have a listing of what is required for this service. I've recently replaced the belts and the thermostat, oil filter and oil, bleed the brakes and checked all pads and replaced the shocks and springs. I'm assuming that what is left is to change all the remaining fluids, grease all the grease points on the driveline, and replace all hoses, fuel filter, distributer cap and lines, and spark plugs. Am I missing anything else on this critical 60k service? Also, I finally found the location of the error code display (we didn't get a manual when we got it) and there is something displayed that I would like to ID. Currently it's "03" - does anybody have access to a listing of what this error code would translate to, or of the error codes for the NAS 110 in general? Thanks, jpipes Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 From bens Tue Feb 19 14:28:56 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1JJSu326973 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 14:28:56 -0500 Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 14:28:56 -0500 Message-Id: <200202191928.g1JJSu426969@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: last for now - recent sightings Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org After parking in front of a local pizza place in Fort Bragg for the first annual NCRC post-mud run pizza and beer party (food was great, had the place to ourselves, much better than the other brew pub place in town), spotted a deep blue series II 88 (maybe a series I) drive past, very nice! Sunday was also a great day for sightings! Spotted the SIII 109 owned by the sailboard ad company seen around the Bay. Spotted it in the Marina in Sausalito parked where, I believe, the company is based. Also while in Sausalito spotted a very nice creamy brown/tan hard top Jaguar E-type parked inside the garage of a local gas station just off of the main tourist strip. Came upon a green hard top D90 same day in Sausalito and waved, the driver seemed agast or aloof, or both. Various other sightings on Sunday as well - a white hard top D90 coming down from the Marin Headlands in the afternoon & a black Freelander in Noe Valley. Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 From bens Tue Feb 19 14:33:44 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1JJXi127028 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 14:33:44 -0500 Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 14:33:43 -0500 Message-Id: <200202191933.g1JJXhK27024@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: NAS 110 60k service and error codes? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I put the schedule for the '98 disco on line at: http://www.d-90.com/~daveg/Maintenance/Schedule.JPG You will have to consider differences between the 3.9 and 4.0 motors, but that is mostly limited to stuff you've already covered (plug wires, cap and rotor, belts), and the fact that you have the manual trans (change fluid) and not the automatic. The rest should be pretty much identical. FWIW, the 60k service on the disco is also written up on the same site at: http://www.d-90.com/~daveg/60kservice/main.html They do recommend the brake fluid and coolant be changed at 60k. Fault codes are listed in the engine-diagnostics section at: http://www.d-90.com/faq/index.html -Dave G. From bens Tue Feb 19 14:36:40 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1JJaej27060 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 14:36:40 -0500 Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 14:36:39 -0500 Message-Id: <200202191936.g1JJadx27056@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Brian Horner To: Subject: Series III Heater Assembly Cable Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi All! I have a question for y'all. So the cable running from my drivers-side heater controls to the engine control valve is too short and has managed to dig a channel into the air filter on top of my double-barrel Webber Carb. I figured the cable was trimmed to many times so I ordered a new one from Rovers North. I installed it this weekend only to find that it is about 3 inches to short as well. Although it reaches - it is still rubbing against the air filter and is quite taunt. Does anyone have any suggestions on where I can get a long housed cable and just trim it down myself? What have other people done to avoid this problem? Thanks! Brian ------------------------ http://www.roverme.org "Land Rover community, links and email services." From bens Tue Feb 19 14:41:31 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1JJfVp27114 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 14:41:31 -0500 Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 14:41:30 -0500 Message-Id: <200202191941.g1JJfUv27110@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: NAS 110 60k service and error codes? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Excellent David! Thanks very much! I should have thought to look on the D90 site as well but I often forget to, thanks for reminding me! Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 From bens Tue Feb 19 14:52:52 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1JJqqJ27183 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 14:52:52 -0500 Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 14:52:52 -0500 Message-Id: <200202191952.g1JJqqf27179@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Series III Heater Assembly Cable Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "...Does anyone have any suggestions on where I can get a long housed cable and just trim it down myself?..." I'm going to try a generic choke cable from Kragen/Checker to flip the valve on the Scout heater I put in the 109. It has the valve over by the heater, not on the bypass housing, so I'll have to come up with something different. If you want to get fancy, bicycle shops will also have cables, but they work better in tension than compression and we need both in this application. -Dave G. From bens Tue Feb 19 14:56:35 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1JJuZs27246 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 14:56:35 -0500 Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 14:56:34 -0500 Message-Id: <200202191956.g1JJuYf27242@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: NAS 110 60k service and error codes? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "....Thanks very much!...." No prob. On the Disco I had the brake fluid changed by a shop because I was afraid to mess with the ABS. I've since grown more bold (after the shop screwed me and didn't do the work when I left the truck with them for a week....GRRR) and am using the Motive Products Power Bleeder, with modifications outlined at: http://www.clubgwagen.com/gtech/index.html -Dave G. From bens Tue Feb 19 14:57:48 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1JJvmC27269 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 14:57:48 -0500 Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 14:57:48 -0500 Message-Id: <200202191957.g1JJvmU27265@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Series III Heater Assembly Cable Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi Brian, I don't remember the size of the hose under the valve on a S3, But on my Late S2A it actually was a step smaller than the opening so there was a special hose with a step from 1/2 to 5/8 or so. I removed the valve which was plugging up anyway, and put the hose straight to the nipple on the engine. Then I added a universal inline valve that is used by most older Ford trucks. From Kragens. it was a Stant brand something like H504. I put it where the cable reached easily closer to the cowl, and behind the air filter. Bob B At 11:36 AM 2/19/2002, you wrote: >Hi All! I have a question for y'all. > >So the cable running from my drivers-side heater controls to the engine >control valve is too short and has managed to dig a channel into the air >filter on top of my double-barrel Webber Carb. I figured the cable was >trimmed to many times so I ordered a new one from Rovers North. I installed >it this weekend only to find that it is about 3 inches to short as well. >Although it reaches - it is still rubbing against the air filter and is >quite taunt. Does anyone have any suggestions on where I can get a long [ 11 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Tue Feb 19 15:03:56 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1JK3us27318 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 15:03:56 -0500 Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 15:03:56 -0500 Message-Id: <200202192003.g1JK3uf27314@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jeff Rogers To: Mendo Recce List Subject: Re: 4WD amateur radio frequencies? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org The Maxwell repeater is excellent. I don't have the details with me but I'm sure you can look it up in the AARL repeater directory. You can talk from HWY 5 to Cedar camp and beyond on your VX-5, farther if you have an 65W rig. -->Jeff on 2/16/02 3:08 PM, Chuck Huston at cnhuston@pacbell.net wrote: > > I'm taking the Technician exam tomorrow morning and just bought a Yaesu > VX-5R radio (handheld). > > It can receive many frequencies, and can transmit on all/part of a few of > the "Technician" bands; 6M (50-54 MHz), 2M (144-148 MHz), and 70cm (430-450 > MHz). The local group that I'm working with to cover a bike race uses > repeaters on the 70cm band. > [ 7 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Tue Feb 19 18:14:37 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1JNEbt27935 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 18:14:37 -0500 Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 18:14:37 -0500 Message-Id: <200202192314.g1JNEbf27931@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "G. mugele" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Land Rovers in New Zealand. Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > > >I had heard that vehicles in general in NZ were expensive because they >have such a high import tax (75%?), and therefore people took VERY good >care of their cars. Can you enlighten us whether this is true? Had this discussion with an American ex-pat from Nashville last night. He retired here and is now driving a gorgeous XK150. I specifically asked about the tax issues. And while he did explain it, perhaps a little too thoroughly, I didn't pick up the details. The bottom line is that the tax is very reasonable as well. The bulk of the savings are related to the exhange rate. I know that may seem silly but as NZ dollar is currently 42 cents and in most cases buys about what a US dollar buys at home. For instance a pint of nice ale is about $3.50 NZ or for Disco drivers a Latte is about $2.80 NZ or one dollar US. Pretty good deal. In addition the tax benefits of dual citizenship (but not recognized by the US) are rather good. I will try to learn more. This would be a fabulous place to retire. Gerry From bens Tue Feb 19 18:46:43 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1JNkh228031 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 18:46:43 -0500 Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 18:46:42 -0500 Message-Id: <200202192346.g1JNkg028027@minbar.fourfold.org> From: James Howard To: Mendo list Subject: BP deal Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Today's deal of the day is a Borg warner transfer case main shaft for $170. This is close to what I paid for mine, including shipping, when I bought it from Ashcroft two or three years ago. And way less than the $500 I was quoted by others at the time. From bens Tue Feb 19 19:24:42 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1K0Ogk28477 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 19:24:42 -0500 Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 19:24:42 -0500 Message-Id: <200202200024.g1K0OgN28473@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Peter Ogilvie" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Land Rovers in New Zealand. Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org New Zealand had a Prime Minister named 'Piggy' Muldoon in the early '70s. Possibly as a reaction to being invaded by Hippies, he pushed through very restrictive immigration and alien residence laws. You had to be a critical need specialist to immigrate and, according to the government, almost no specialty was needed. No one over 50, I believe, was allowed to immigrate, period. You could not stay for more than six months and had to show a very generous income or net worth to be able to stay that long. After the 6 months, you could leave the country for a certain period of time and then return, but only for six months, again. The rules were so bad and tightly enforced that Miles and Beryl Smeeton, internationally famous English authors and sailors, were not allowed to retire in NZ. If they had been allowed to stay, they would have had to pay a very hefty import duty on their boat. Had a friend who scammed his way into the country. Found out what the government wanted to hear and lied his way in. The guy was one of the smoothest talkers I've ever met. He was the only one of about 10 individuals that I knew, at the time, that successfully immigrated The government followed the post war socialist leanings of the Mother country with the resultant very high taxes on everything, especially imports. Heard the country was awash in perfectly preserved Pre War(that's WWII) autos because the import duties were outrageous. Heard the economy stagnated and the country developed a serious case of brain drain from there social and economic malaise. I suppose this forced them to liberalize some of their policies. Had heard that they reinstated capitalism and had lightened up on their immigration policies. Hadn't heard that they had dropped their six month maximum stay, the import duties or the age limitations for immigration, however. If you have the opportunity, would be interested in finding out what's currently happening in NZ. Aloha Peter O. >From: "G. mugele" >Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Subject: Re: Land Rovers in New Zealand. >Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 18:14:37 -0500 > > > > > > >I had heard that vehicles in general in NZ were expensive because they [ 26 additional quoted lines pruned. ] _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From bens Tue Feb 19 19:31:58 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1K0VwL28533 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 19:31:58 -0500 Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 19:31:57 -0500 Message-Id: <200202200031.g1K0VvA28529@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: mudrun pics Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org sorry, and that are of the 110 that is! -- Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 From bens Tue Feb 19 19:40:27 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1K0eRb28593 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 19:40:27 -0500 Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 19:40:26 -0500 Message-Id: <200202200040.g1K0eQq28589@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: mudrun pics - sorry!!!! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org sorry, that last email wasn't supposed to go to this list... ack! Jason Pipes From bens Tue Feb 19 21:14:51 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1K2EpW29077 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 21:14:51 -0500 Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 21:14:51 -0500 Message-Id: <200202200214.g1K2Epn29073@minbar.fourfold.org> From: joe mulqueen To: mendo Subject: Re. My Mojave pics... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Keith, Great pics. I could go back there. Joe Mulqueen Light Green 109 SW Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 04:34:20 -0500 From: Keith Shukait Subject: My Mojave pics... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com From bens Tue Feb 19 22:26:53 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1K3Qr629526 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 22:26:53 -0500 Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 22:26:53 -0500 Message-Id: <200202200326.g1K3QrQ29522@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Shannon Holland To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Land Rovers in New Zealand. Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/enriched; ] [ 22 lines filtered. ] --Apple-Mail-17--644231710 charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed On Tuesday, February 19, 2002, at 03:14 PM, G. mugele wrote: > I will try to learn more. This would be a fabulous place to retire. > And don't forget, they have great ways of keeping their beer cold - what more could you want? http://www.asciimation.co.nz/beer/ Shannon --Apple-Mail-17--644231710 From bens Tue Feb 19 23:24:46 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1K4OkD29785 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 23:24:46 -0500 Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 23:24:46 -0500 Message-Id: <200202200424.g1K4Okx29781@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gerry Elam" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: "receiver tattoo" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I was driving home this evening in the Discovery and slowed for traffic. As I came to a stop, the car behind me almost did too and tapped me in the rear. I would guess s/he hit me at 3-4 miles an hour. I started to pull to the shoulder and s/he followed me for a second and then took off. Traffic was heavy so this person sped down the shoulder. I made a note of the tag and started to follow but couldn't tell which direction they took at a major split in the highway. Funny, as I was trying to follow, a big old rednecker pulled up beside me in his 4x4 and held up a piece of paper with the written down. Nice move! I called the police and they connected to me to DPS. I was on a local repeater and gave them enough info to get an officer to me before it timed out. I was told to just to pull over and wait for an officer. When I stopped, I got out and inspected the rear. I have a Kaymar rear bumper... very heavy duty. No damage except for a little paint off the area around the receiver. Based on the crunch and broken glass I heard, I really expected a little but not a lot to the Discovery. The officer who took the report was cool...nothing can really be done since I can't ID the driver and didn't have any real damage. He said he'd try to locate them and discuss their behavior. He asked a ton of questions about LRs in general. I told him to look for the gray car with the "receiver tattoo". I know that it left a nice mark in their frontend/hood. Sorry SOB... got what s/he deserved! Cheers, Gerry _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From bens Wed Feb 20 00:30:21 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1K5ULt31089 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 00:30:21 -0500 Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 00:30:20 -0500 Message-Id: <200202200530.g1K5UKB31085@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Brian Horner To: Subject: Re: Land Rovers in New Zealand. Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org That is the coolest thing I think I have EVER seen! Brian On 2/19/02 7:26 PM, "Shannon Holland" wrote: > > [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] > [ text/enriched; ] > [ 22 lines filtered. ] > > --Apple-Mail-17--644231710 > charset=US-ASCII; > format=flowed > [ 14 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ----------------------- http://www.roverme.org "Land Rover community, links and email services." From bens Wed Feb 20 01:22:23 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1K6MNI31471 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 01:22:23 -0500 Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 01:22:22 -0500 Message-Id: <200202200622.g1K6MMP31467@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Zaxcoinc@aol.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Land Rovers in New Zealand. Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset="US-ASCII" ] [ 13 lines filtered. ] In a message dated 2/19/02 8:00:59 PM Pacific Standard Time, brian@roverme.org writes: > That is the coolest thing I think I have EVER seen! > > > Almost as cool, the "Radioactive Boy Scout". Do a web search, and read a couple of the articles. That one is a hoot. Zack From bens Wed Feb 20 01:47:51 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1K6lpP31598 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 01:47:51 -0500 Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 01:47:50 -0500 Message-Id: <200202200647.g1K6lol31594@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Shannon Holland To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Land Rovers in New Zealand. Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org On Tuesday, February 19, 2002, at 09:30 PM, Brian Horner wrote: > That is the coolest thing I think I have EVER seen! > Yeah, there's whacky things going on in New Zealand. There some guy building pulse jet powered go karts there as well (he sells a 100lb thrust pulse jet kit on the web for $300 or so). Somehow I think I would be imprisoned for just starting one of these up around here. A quick googling: http://www.aardvark.co.nz/pjet/gokart.htm Shannon From bens Wed Feb 20 03:25:59 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1K8Pxp32030 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 03:25:59 -0500 Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 03:25:58 -0500 Message-Id: <200202200825.g1K8Pwm32026@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kevin Kelly" To: "Mendo List" Subject: Bruce Curtis' SG Disco For Sale Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Bruce Grove the current owner of Bruce Curtis' Safari Guard Disco just posted to the CSO list that it is for sale. I thought that someone on the list might be interested. See Below. Kevin Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 15:15:57 -0800 From: Bruce Grove Organization: very occasionally To: rro@koan.team.net Subject: [rro] FS - 1995 Disco, off road ready Reply-To: rro@land-rover.team.net Hello the list, Sadly, for personal reasons, I have to sell my 1995 Series 1 Discovery, located in the Bay Area, California.... VIN# SALJN124XSA145712 $12,600 3.9l V8 automatic. 79000 miles. Black, light brown (dark cream) interior. Safari gard front bumper and sump plate. Safari gard rock sliders. 9000lb Warn Winch. 2-3" lift with uprated springs. Dual batteries. Hi-lift jack. Remote central locking/alarm. Aircon front/rear, electric windows/mirrors, power steering, cruise control, dual moonroofs, alloys with Bridgestone Dueler AT's (lots of tread). Garmin GPS III, AC adaptor Land Rover mechanic serviced throughout it's life. This is a great vehicle that runs like a dream and has never caused me any problems. Some of you may no Bruce Curtis (of Unimog and Tatra fame) who was the previous owner since new and a colleague from work so you can even get personal references on me :-) As I said I don't actually want to sell this but needs must... You can contact me for more info on the above email address or at bruce.grove@sun.com I should also have some digitised pictures available by tomorrow. Thanks, Bruce From bens Wed Feb 20 12:51:33 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1KHpX002291 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 12:51:33 -0500 Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 12:51:33 -0500 Message-Id: <200202201751.g1KHpXl02287@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Eric Johnson" To: , Subject: Re: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #668 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Peter Wrote: If you have the opportunity, would be interested in finding out what's currently happening in NZ. Aloha Peter O. Peter: Currently, I believe that New Zealand is being overrun with Hobbits, Dwarves, Orcs, Elves and Wizards. Great battles are being fought and the fate of (Middle) Earth is at stake. Eric From bens Wed Feb 20 13:27:52 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1KIRqV02512 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 13:27:52 -0500 Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 13:27:52 -0500 Message-Id: <200202201827.g1KIRq402508@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Thomas Joyner" To: "Mendo List" Subject: For Sale Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org All, I've one unused Michelin 235/70 16 from a Disco spare to sell. I'd like $50/obo + shipping from Durango (no reasonable offer refused!). Please contact me off line if at all interested. Tom Durango 88 RR '99 Santa Cruz Superlight '01 Durango Bike Works '02 Xero single speed old Guerciotti cyclocross 1 pissed off wife for having too many bikes From bens Wed Feb 20 13:37:34 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1KIbYU02575 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 13:37:34 -0500 Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 13:37:34 -0500 Message-Id: <200202201837.g1KIbYi02571@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Keith Shukait To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: My Mojave pics... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Chris, No problem. If you have some of us let me know. Thanks, Keith > Thanks, Keith! I may ask to use a couple of those. From bens Wed Feb 20 13:48:12 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1KImCX02633 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 13:48:12 -0500 Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 13:48:12 -0500 Message-Id: <200202201848.g1KImCC02629@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Brian Horner To: Subject: Mud Run Pictures? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org So, I am dying to see some Mud Run pictures from last weekend. Has anyone posted any? If anyone needs a place to post images - just contact me off-list and I will setup a photo album for you on RoverMe.org. Anyway - I think I can speak for all of us that were not there when I say - "Let us live vicariously through your pictures!" Thanks Brian ------------------------ http://www.roverme.org "Land Rover community, links and email services." From bens Wed Feb 20 15:07:38 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1KK7cr03071 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 15:07:38 -0500 Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 15:07:37 -0500 Message-Id: <200202202007.g1KK7bf03067@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Peter Ogilvie" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #668 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I was going to mention Middle Earth folk and pianos but resisted. Actually, since the filming is pau for all three books, doubt it would be easy to find any of the Wee folk. Aloha Peter O. >From: "Eric Johnson" >Peter: > Currently, I believe that New Zealand is being overrun with Hobbits, >Dwarves, Orcs, Elves and Wizards. Great battles are being fought and the >fate of (Middle) Earth is at stake. >Eric _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From bens Wed Feb 20 15:55:44 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1KKtio03356 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 15:55:44 -0500 Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 15:55:44 -0500 Message-Id: <200202202055.g1KKtiQ03352@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Bruce R. Bonar" To: "mendo_recce@fourfold.org" Subject: [Fwd: [PCRC] north american 101 club] Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ message/rfc822 ] [ 14 lines filtered. ] --------------025A2348262EA69E318749CF What's a "101". Is it like a Freelander? Bruce --------------025A2348262EA69E318749CF X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 44 Sender: Precedence: Bulk List-Unsubscribe: List-URL: X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 --------- Forwarded Message --------- DATE: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 08:31:54 From: Stenhouse433@cs.com Dear All, With the ever-increasing number of 101s in the US and Canada, there are about twenty of us in New England alone (who actually know about each other!), the idea has surfaced of having a "North American Continent 101 Club". AmCan 101 Club sounds better or maybe even CanAm.......why should Canada be ahead of the US or vice versa? (I'm from Scotland so......!) Anyway.......to ask, how many 101s are there in your club and would they like to be involved? Let me know via email. Thanks Best wishes Colin Stenhouse --------- End Forwarded Message --------- ---- This is the Pacific Coast Rover Club mailing list. To send a msg: To unsubscribe: --------------025A2348262EA69E318749CF-- From bens Wed Feb 20 17:20:23 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1KMKNK03821 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 17:20:23 -0500 Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 17:20:23 -0500 Message-Id: <200202202220.g1KMKNO03817@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Peter Ogilvie" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: [Fwd: [PCRC] north american 101 club] Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org About as far from a Freelander as you can get. Its a heavy duty forward control built on a 100" wheelbase. Originally designed as a gun tractor, the GS version with canvas top and drop side bed, but also built as a radio, electronics, or ambulance body. They are 1 ton+ rated with salisbury axles, front and back, 3.5 V-8 and a heavy duty 4 speed. Because of the high load rating, springs are very stiff and articulation poor without a lot of weight in them. Same goes for the gearing though hear its easy to swap in transfer gears from a RR to get better cruising RPM. Definitely need a locking diff. to get serious in uneven terrain. If you want a mean green intimidator, a 101 is for you. Aloha Peter O. >From: "Bruce R. Bonar" >What's a "101". Is it like a Freelander? >Bruce _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From bens Wed Feb 20 17:35:43 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1KMZhF03937 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 17:35:43 -0500 Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 17:35:43 -0500 Message-Id: <200202202235.g1KMZhr03933@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: [Fwd: [PCRC] north american 101 club] Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Peter, methinks Bruce was kidding there! ;-) Paul --- Peter Ogilvie wrote: > > About as far from a Freelander as you can get. Its a > heavy duty forward > control built on a 100" wheelbase. Originally designed > as a gun tractor, > the GS version with canvas top and drop side bed, but > also built as a radio, > electronics, or ambulance body. They are 1 ton+ rated > with salisbury axles, [ 22 additional quoted lines pruned. ] _________________________________________________________________ > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: > http://messenger.msn.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com From bens Wed Feb 20 19:45:20 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1L0jKk04585 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 19:45:20 -0500 Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 19:45:20 -0500 Message-Id: <200202210045.g1L0jKN04581@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Tom Walsh" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Land Rovers in New Zealand. Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org That guy is either a lunatic or a rocket scientist, or both! :) TomW > On Tuesday, February 19, 2002, at 09:30 PM, Brian Horner wrote: > > > That is the coolest thing I think I have EVER seen! > > > Yeah, there's whacky things going on in New Zealand. There some guy > building pulse jet powered go karts there as well (he sells a 100lb > thrust pulse jet kit on the web for $300 or so). Somehow I think I would > be imprisoned for just starting one of these up around here. > [ 6 additional quoted lines pruned. ] *---------*---------* Tomw & the Killer Bee, tomw@fluentnet.com, www.fluentnet.com From bens Wed Feb 20 20:11:13 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1L1BDP04741 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 20:11:13 -0500 Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 20:11:12 -0500 Message-Id: <200202210111.g1L1BCj04737@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Bruce R. Bonar" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: [Fwd: [PCRC] north american 101 club] Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Who me? :-) BB Paul Archibald wrote: > Peter, > methinks Bruce was kidding there! ;-) > > Paul From bens Wed Feb 20 22:20:20 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1L3KKT05344 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 22:20:20 -0500 Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 22:20:20 -0500 Message-Id: <200202210320.g1L3KKQ05340@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Bruce R. Bonar" To: "mendo_recce@fourfold.org" Subject: Eldarado NF road Closure alert Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In my position as Northern California Rover Club's Public Affairs Officer I've tried to be careful about bombarding the list with "ALERTS!!!" on a daily or even weekly or monthly basis regarding various land use issues. This doesn't mean that there aren't important fights going on to protect off highway vehicle recreation. It just means I don't want to numb you folks with an endless stream of calls for help. I think this one is different, for several reasons. 1. This is a major effort to shut down many trails close to home. 2. This may well be a line in the sand drawn by the OHV community and pro multiple use activists to demonstrate, particularly to the Federal Government but also to the anti use groups, that it will no longer be cheap and easy to determine public policy by simply filing a lawsuit the Depart,emts of Agriculture or Interior won't spend the money to fight. 3. There have too many wins by the anti use groups using the Endangered Species Act and National Environmental Policy Act as the basis for a legal action. The list of trails closed in Southern Californial using virtually identical tactics is scary and very sad. I've attached a copy of the Blue Ribbon Coalition Press Release. If you are at all interested in protecting multiple use, or at least in having our Government listen to both points of view I urge you to help fund the BRC lawsuit. California Association of 4 Wheel Drive Clubs also has a legal defense fund that is accepting donations specifically for this legal action. Your support is appreciated. Bruce Bonar Public Affairs Officer Northern California Rover Club ********************************** BLUERIBBON COALITION, INC. WWW.SHARETRAILS.ORG Feb. 20, 2002 UPDATE ON LEGAL ACTION REGARDING ELDORADO NATIONAL FOREST LAWSUIT As many of you know, several preservationist groups have filed a lawsuit that has the potential to close many of our favorite off-highway vehicle trails on the Eldorado National Forest. Fortunately, BlueRibbon Coalition Legal Action Fund attorneys had been monitoring this issue for several months and are coordinating with local recreation and access groups to mount a strong legal challenge to the preservationist's lawsuit. BRC and its partners will be taking formal steps to become parties to this litigation in the next several weeks. For those interested in learning more about our legal action on this matter please contact: BRC's Bill Dart: brbill_d@sharetrails.org One thing is guaranteed in legal action. It will cost money. The BRC has already set up an account to which you may send your tax-deductible donations. Contributions will be gladly accepted via the US Mail or filed online using Pay Pal at: www.sharetrails.org Mail donations to: BlueRibbon Coalition Legal Action Fund Attn: Eldorado Legal Action Fund P.O. Box 5449 Pocatello, ID 83202-0003 From bens Thu Feb 21 01:23:05 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1L6N5i07270 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 21 Feb 2002 01:23:05 -0500 Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 01:23:05 -0500 Message-Id: <200202210623.g1L6N5307266@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Christopher Dow" To: Subject: Freelander owners soon in our ranks Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I’ve been thinking about the Freelander bashing that’s gone on in the various Land-Rover email lists in which I participate in the time since the car was released in Europe. I think there will soon be very enthusiastic Freelander owners amongst us. They may show up to Mendo. They'll certainly join the NCRC. They'll likely join this list. I hope we welcome them with the same warmth that we welcome anyone else who joins us--whether they have a totally-depressing Series project-from-hell, or just moved here and own every type of Rover made. I hope we all can remember that these people will have purchased a Land Rover, and in some cases are being sold a line that it's not just a car, but a community. They will likely get NCRC literature at the dealer. If they are like me, the experience of acquiring a Land Rover will be different from any they've had in the past. I hope we don't put them off because they drive a vehicle that some of us deem less worthy than what we own. I will be very disappointed if it turns out otherwise. C From bens Thu Feb 21 01:32:00 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1L6W0A07322 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 21 Feb 2002 01:32:00 -0500 Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 01:32:00 -0500 Message-Id: <200202210632.g1L6W0A07318@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Keith Shukait To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: 60k Service For The Disco & Tires For The 109 updates Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org All, After having really bad luck with Land Rover San Jose twice, I tried Exclusively British European in Campbell. They did a great job, completed all the tasks and it actually came back in working order. The folks there are great, the staff took the time to do the work right and they even sold me 20 brand new lug nuts for cost. I noticed a difference in the way she runs and will return there for future work. Oh they had forms to join the NCRC displayed too. John Lancaster Exclusive British European 2875-A Winchester Blvd. Campbell, Ca. 95008 408. 374.0131 http://www.ebemotors.com/ I also needed tires badly on the 109 and ended up at Tires Unlimited in Campbell. Really nice folks. My friend had a flat and came along to check the place out. They couldn't fix his tire because the puncture site was a mess, so they mounted and balanced a used tire for free. His tires were bald and they didn't have his size in stock so I though this was great customer service. The tires came in the next day and they took care of him. As for me they weren't sure they could get the Dunlop Radial Rover RT's in 7.5x16 so they quoted me 130ea. for 235 85 16s. I checked tirerack.com had the 7.5x16s for 104 ea. Tires Unlimited called their supplier and sold them to me for $106ea. This price beat tirerack.com as I didn't have to pay $57 for shipping. They have one guy that does alignments and he's good, he said they've had Unimogs in for tires and alignments. Doug or Jeff Tires Unlimited 125 South San Thomas Aquino Road Campbell, Ca. 95008 408.379.5665 Cheers, Keith From bens Thu Feb 21 02:04:44 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1L74i307463 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 21 Feb 2002 02:04:44 -0500 Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 02:04:44 -0500 Message-Id: <200202210704.g1L74ij07459@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Zaxcoinc@aol.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Freelander owners soon in our ranks Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset="US-ASCII" ] [ 11 lines filtered. ] In a message dated 2/20/02 8:54:34 PM Pacific Standard Time, dow@thelen.org writes: > They may show up to Mendo. > They'll certainly join the NCRC. They'll likely join this list. I hope > we welcome them with the same warmth that we welcome anyone else who > joins us. Mmmmmmm! Bagpipes! (in his best Homer Simpson voice.) Zack From bens Thu Feb 21 03:04:09 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1L849C07752 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 21 Feb 2002 03:04:09 -0500 Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 03:04:09 -0500 Message-Id: <200202210804.g1L849T07748@minbar.fourfold.org> From: john hess To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Freelander owners soon in our ranks Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Buying a Freelander Chris? >different from any they've had in the past. I hope we don't put them >off because they drive a vehicle that some of us deem less worthy than >what we own. I will be very disappointed if it turns out otherwise. > >C John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Land Rover Dormobile web pages: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby" 1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" 1999 Bianchi Milano, 2001 Bianchi Pista From bens Thu Feb 21 03:27:51 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1L8Rpl07866 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 21 Feb 2002 03:27:51 -0500 Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 03:27:51 -0500 Message-Id: <200202210827.g1L8RpT07862@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Christopher Dow" To: Subject: RE: Freelander owners soon in our ranks Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 28 lines filtered. ] Where would I put one? :-) C From bens Thu Feb 21 04:39:49 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1L9dnZ08233 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 21 Feb 2002 04:39:49 -0500 Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 04:39:48 -0500 Message-Id: <200202210939.g1L9dmg08229@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Tom Walsh" To: D90TECH@yahoogroups.com Subject: (Fwd) Rubicon/Eldorado Lawsuit donations/help Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset="us-ascii" ] [ 86 lines filtered. ] ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 17:09:01 -0800 To: "Del (Home)" From: Del Albright Subject: Rubicon/Eldorado Lawsuit donations/help --=====================_23756262==_.ALT To All: Here is the BlueRibbon Coalition press release on the Eldorado National Forest (Rubicon, Rock Creek, and many other trails) lawsuit. Friends of the Rubicon is in the game! Many other groups will be part of this, but for now, both BRC and Cal4wheel (CA4WDC) have set up legal funds to handle donations to the fight. I'm in this one for the duration. We need you to round up support as best you can. Tell folks this is the way to help (contributing to the Legal Action Fund), even for folks who live where travel to the Rubicon is still a dream. Let's keep that dream alive. Let me know if you have any questions. Remember that FOTR is merely an informal coalition of interested folks. So we are not a write off (for money sent to Albright Enterprises for FOTR). You're better off right now sending money to BRC Legal Action Fund (or the Cal4 fund if you're a member and want to contribute there). I'm very optimistic that we're going to make history with this one. Thanks for all your support and help, Del Trail Boss, Friends of the Rubicon BlueRibbon Coalition Ambassador #### BLUERIBBON COALITION, INC. WWW.SHARETRAILS.ORG Feb. 20, 2002 UPDATE ON LEGAL ACTION REGARDING ELDORADO NATIONAL FOREST LAWSUIT As many of you know, several preservationist groups have filed a lawsuit that has the potential to close many of our favorite off-highway vehicle trails on the Eldorado National Forest. Fortunately, BlueRibbon Coalition Legal Action Fund attorneys had been monitoring this issue for several months and are coordinating with local recreation and access groups to mount a strong legal challenge to the preservationist's lawsuit. BRC and its partners will be taking formal steps to become parties to this litigation in the next several weeks. For those interested in learning more about our legal action on this matter please contact: BRC's Bill Dart: brbill_d@sharetrails.org One thing is guaranteed in legal action. It will cost money. The BRC has already set up an account to which you may send your tax-deductible donations. Contributions will be gladly accepted via the US Mail or filed online using Pay Pal at: www.sharetrails.org Mail donations to: BlueRibbon Coalition Legal Action Fund Attn: Eldorado Legal Action Fund P.O. Box 5449 Pocatello, ID 83202-0003 #### Del Albright Trail Boss, Friends of the Rubicon (FOTR) Moderator, FOTR Email List BlueRibbon Ambassador FOTR Web Site: www.friendsoftherubicon.com or: www.delalbright.com/rubicon.htm (209) 286-1009 Mailto:jeepndel@goldrush.com --=====================_23756262==_.ALT From bens Thu Feb 21 10:44:48 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1LFimt09838 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 21 Feb 2002 10:44:48 -0500 Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 10:44:48 -0500 Message-Id: <200202211544.g1LFim109834@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kerner, Rob" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Eldarado NF road Closure alert Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 78 lines filtered. ] Thanks Bruce, I finally got off my butt and joined BRC, and donated to the cause.... -Rob From bens Thu Feb 21 10:46:20 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1LFkKO09855 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 21 Feb 2002 10:46:20 -0500 Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 10:46:20 -0500 Message-Id: <200202211546.g1LFkKA09851@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kerner, Rob" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Freelander owners soon in our ranks Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Chris are you trying to tell us you bought a freelander:) From bens Thu Feb 21 10:47:39 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1LFld809869 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 21 Feb 2002 10:47:39 -0500 Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 10:47:39 -0500 Message-Id: <200202211547.g1LFldr09865@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kerner, Rob" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: Recall: Freelander owners soon in our ranks Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Kerner, Rob would like to recall the message, "Freelander owners soon in our ranks". From bens Thu Feb 21 11:31:37 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1LGVb610102 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 21 Feb 2002 11:31:37 -0500 Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 11:31:37 -0500 Message-Id: <200202211631.g1LGVbj10098@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: " mendo rec list" Subject: Re: Freelander owners soon in our ranks Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >I hope we don't put them >off because they drive a vehicle that some of us deem less worthy than >what we own. I will be very disappointed if it turns out otherwise. OK Papa, we'll try to be good. We'll try not to snicker like we did to those other kids with them new toy Discoverys back in '94. This reminds me I need to buy a new tow strap to replace the one that boke over new years. TeriAnn Wakeman If you send me direct mail, please Santa Cruz, California start the subject line with TW - twakeman@cruzers.com I will be sure to read the message http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 From bens Thu Feb 21 14:48:53 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1LJmrA11115 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 21 Feb 2002 14:48:53 -0500 Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 14:48:52 -0500 Message-Id: <200202211948.g1LJmqg11111@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Taylor Clark Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: disco sticker paraphenalia... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I was wondering if anyone could give me a good source, of where to find disco expedition stickers to put on a disco, maybe even if someone knows if there are camel trophy magnets or stickers that can go on the side doors? any ideas would be great thanks! ************************************ Taylor Pipes tpipes@uwm.edu ************** Student, University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee Campus Solutions Center, Help Desk Consultant at UWM Journalism Major, Features Writer for the UWM Post. ************************************ From bens Thu Feb 21 14:50:07 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1LJo7v11136 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 21 Feb 2002 14:50:07 -0500 Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 14:50:07 -0500 Message-Id: <200202211950.g1LJo7611132@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Freeman, Ben" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: FS: '73-S3 88 MUST SELL!! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi all- I have this S3 88 hardtop, it's been hanging out at my place far too long and I must sell it immeadiatly. I've dropped the price 5 times so far now avialable for $4,250.00 firm. It's a nice Limestone colour, sure nees a tiny bit of repair, and new springs but otherwise a nice running truck with many years of life and enjoyment. She needs a warm loveing home so if you or someone you know wants a nice reliable S3 give them my name and number. Ben Freeman (360)532-2015 evenings (360)538-1033 days or (360)580-1585 message. or e-mail at ben.freeman@weyerhaeuser.com Happy Rovering.. From bens Thu Feb 21 15:39:12 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1LKdC311392 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 21 Feb 2002 15:39:12 -0500 Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 15:39:11 -0500 Message-Id: <200202212039.g1LKdBD11388@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Freelander owners soon in our ranks Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I think Chris Dow's post made some good points, and brought up some things that should be addressed. I think that given the nature of our group and of Land Rover owners in general, the vast majority would be welcoming towards anyone with any LR related vehicle, regardless of its status, etc. It seems our group has always been about people and people are what own and drive Land Rovers. As well, any Land Rover product seems to be a spring board into the wide range of other Land Rovers. So, getting a Freelander and joining our club would more likely than not expand that persons horizons and knowledge and ultimately lead to other Land Rover products, if not directly at least indirectly. In that sense I think everyone can and likely does agree. Onto another point though - what might likely be fueling the impression that many people look down upon Freelanders. I think that many of us who really enjoy Land Rovers and all they encompass find themselves spotting every Disco, Range Rover and yes, even Freelander they see and making some effort to wave, point, look or at least acknowledge the other person. I think it is safe to suggest that many times, increasingly so with lower end offroad vehicles like the Freelander, that the drivers don't have a clue about why you are noticing them and pointing, and would rather best be left alone. That seems to occur more on the sliding scale from Series vehicles through Defenders into Ranger Rovers and Discos and now into Freelanders. Very rarely do I ever spot someone in Series that doesn't wave and jump around noticing me, same for most Defenders (but not all). On the other end are the Disco's and Freelanders that make a point to totally ignore you when you acknowledge them. That likely tends to meld with the impression that these vehicles, although capable, are pulling Land Rovers in the wrong direction. That understandably spills over into our discussions about them in general. One has to admit that Land Rovers are taking a drastic turn away from their heritage and are realisticly trying to tap into the popular lifestyle oriented SUV market and leaving behind the notion of the rugged offroad and work horse vehicles that most of us fell in love with. That may or may not be good, but it certainly creates a unique situation for us all. As Land Rovers become increasingly life style oriented, luxury appointed and whatnot, they move away from their heritage. Anyway... Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 From bens Thu Feb 21 16:29:11 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1LLTBM11721 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 21 Feb 2002 16:29:11 -0500 Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 16:29:11 -0500 Message-Id: <200202212129.g1LLTBP11717@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Freelander owners soon in our ranks Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org And you know, I think if you polled Freelander owners on why they bought it, that "It's a Land Rover" would come in there someplace. I think that's one thing we ALL have in common. No matter whether you bought a SIIA, Defender, Disco, Range Rover, or what have you, none of them are the most practical solution within their market segment, and they make a TON of sales based on emotional reaction to the heritage. I think that the vast majority of LR owners, regardless of model, had that emotional reaction working. They may not KNOW that my rattly, stinky diesel 109 is the great grand-daddy to their tidy, market driven sport ute. But on some level, my rattly, stinky diesel is WHY they bought their tidy sport ute. :^) -Dave PS - mighty drafty in the 109 this morning. Had to pull the ear flaps down on my wool cap to dodge the frostbite monster. Didn't lessen the grin on my face though. From bens Thu Feb 21 17:21:43 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1LMLhl12003 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 21 Feb 2002 17:21:43 -0500 Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 17:21:43 -0500 Message-Id: <200202212221.g1LMLh311999@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kerner, Rob" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: Where to buy a Ham rig Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I need a store to go look at radios and antennae where I can get sound purchasing advice. I prefer to stay in Sac, but would drive to the Ham Radio Outlet in Oakland if necessary, if people recommend it. I want a Mobile unit for Regent. -Rob From bens Thu Feb 21 17:42:45 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1LMgjL12110 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 21 Feb 2002 17:42:45 -0500 Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 17:42:45 -0500 Message-Id: <200202212242.g1LMgja12106@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Cc: "Fred & Theresa Beltran (E-mail)" Subject: the smell Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Drove the 109 to work today for the first time in quite a while. I work with a guy who used to own/restore series rigs so I left him a VM this morning telling him it was in the parking lot if he wanted to have a look at the "sorry old beast". Just got a reply from him. He agreed that sorry old beast was an apt description but what he added after had me falling out of my chair. "You know, there's something about old Land Rovers. They all have the same.......smell. The wind must have been just right as I was walking up to yours, because from 40 feet away, in a lot full of newer cars and trucks, I got the same smell that all my old Rovers had." :^) I can never sell this truck. -Dave G. From bens Thu Feb 21 17:58:35 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1LMwZF12208 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 21 Feb 2002 17:58:35 -0500 Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 17:58:34 -0500 Message-Id: <200202212258.g1LMwYv12204@minbar.fourfold.org> From: john hess To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: Re: Where to buy a Ham rig Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org There is a shop on Power Inn or Florin Perkins Rd (south of 50), off the Jackson hiway, that seemed to be a knowledgable place. I haven't been there in a couple years, but that's all I know. > I need a store to go look at radios and antennae where I can get sound > purchasing advice. I prefer to stay in Sac, but would drive to the Ham > Radio Outlet in Oakland if necessary, if people recommend it. > > I want a Mobile unit for Regent. > > -Rob > john hess, Davis, California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Dormie web pages at http://dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/startpoint.html From bens Thu Feb 21 18:21:51 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1LNLpr12339 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 21 Feb 2002 18:21:51 -0500 Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 18:21:51 -0500 Message-Id: <200202212321.g1LNLp112335@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "charles chuan-chen phu" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Freelander owners soon in our rank Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Some exsample here. Last week I drove my Disco down to LA, on I-5, I spotted two Disco IIs, one Defender 90, and a brand new freelander on the way. I tried to wave to each of them-the Disco and Defender drivers waved back and big smiles. Unfortunately, in the packed-up freelander none of them even acknowledged me, Orlando, even my Little Blue. Kind of dissapointed. We all agree some of Land Rover buyers bought their LR because of its heritage such as us. Yet, there are others who even are not able to recognize Rovers. charles _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From bens Thu Feb 21 18:28:25 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1LNSPi12371 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 21 Feb 2002 18:28:25 -0500 Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 18:28:25 -0500 Message-Id: <200202212328.g1LNSP612367@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: What IS the smell? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Okay, My last post got some responses from friends in our First Mountain Division not-a-club and got me to thinking it would be fun to come up with a recipe for "the smell" of old (pre '75-ish) Land Rovers. Things are a little slow on the list right now, so what do you think? I'll compile your inputs.... I'll even include stuff like "Terri Ann says they smell like 5-liter mustangs" :^))) -Dave G. From bens Thu Feb 21 19:02:33 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1M02Xi12533 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 21 Feb 2002 19:02:33 -0500 Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 19:02:33 -0500 Message-Id: <200202220002.g1M02XW12529@minbar.fourfold.org> From: James Howard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: What IS the smell? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org To me, it smells like a combination of 90 wt, plus burnt Castrol 20W-50 (from the leaks onto the exhaust), plus exhaust fumes that don't seem to leave the passemger compartment even if the vehicle hasn't run for 3 months, plus burlap. Maybe we could try to bottle it and sell it as "Eau d' Land Rover". We could give Freelander owners free samples. James From bens Thu Feb 21 19:25:36 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1M0Pa712647 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 21 Feb 2002 19:25:36 -0500 Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 19:25:35 -0500 Message-Id: <200202220025.g1M0PZh12643@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: What IS the smell? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org ok! just walked out to the corral in front to test my senses! ;-) lo and behold......no Smell emminating from any of them!.....maybe because of my cold? ...now when driving it's different, than the smell of the 90 wt is more pronounced, along with teh typical english warm engine smell I've noticed everything since my first GT6 and MGA has exuded(not overheating but a happy warm british engine) Paul '69 88" stationwagon "The African" smells like a long goodbye! Sniff! Sniff! I'm agonna miss the l'il beastie, but Stirling will give it a good home. '66 88" pick-up "Elgie" smells like a wet newspaper at the shin-burner is leaking(that's two for two in one year!) '95 disco "The Light Brigade" Smells like a really bad exhaust leak! I'm about to tear off that offending exhaust manifold right now actually...not wanting to get any carbon monoxide poisoning. --- "Gomes, David" wrote: > > Okay, > > My last post got some responses from friends in our First > Mountain Division > not-a-club and got me to thinking it would be fun to come > up with a recipe > for "the smell" of old (pre '75-ish) Land Rovers. Things > are a little slow [ 8 additional quoted lines pruned. ] __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com From bens Thu Feb 21 19:29:15 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1M0TFQ12680 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 21 Feb 2002 19:29:15 -0500 Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 19:29:15 -0500 Message-Id: <200202220029.g1M0TF612676@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: What IS the smell? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Yeah! that's the british car smell! ;-) throw in a bit of mildew from any carpets or seats.... Paul carpet? we don't need no steenkin' carpet! easier to wash out that way too! --- James Howard wrote: > > > To me, it smells like a combination of 90 wt, plus burnt > Castrol 20W-50 > (from the leaks onto the exhaust), plus exhaust fumes > that don't seem to > leave the passemger compartment even if the vehicle > hasn't run for 3 > months, plus burlap. [ 6 additional quoted lines pruned. ] __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com From bens Thu Feb 21 19:46:40 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1M0keC12788 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 21 Feb 2002 19:46:40 -0500 Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 19:46:40 -0500 Message-Id: <200202220046.g1M0keP12784@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Leslie Dow To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Freelander owners soon in our ranks Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Oh Zack....promises promises...be sure to camp right next to Ben Mitchell!! tee hee leslie Zaxcoinc@aol.com wrote: > > [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] > [ text/html; charset="US-ASCII" ] > [ 11 lines filtered. ] > > In a message dated 2/20/02 8:54:34 PM Pacific Standard Time, dow@thelen.org > writes: > > > They may show up to Mendo. [ 5 additional quoted lines pruned. ] -- -- Leslie Johnston-Dow, Ph.D. Sequencing Software Group Lead, Applied Biosystems johnstln@appliedbiosystems.com 650-638-5104 KG6HSG From bens Thu Feb 21 19:50:05 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1M0o5F12809 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 21 Feb 2002 19:50:05 -0500 Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 19:50:05 -0500 Message-Id: <200202220050.g1M0o5Q12805@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Leslie Dow To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Freelander owners soon in our ranks Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org The dow clan is most emphatically NOT buying a freelander. My next car is a Boxter....(hehe). However, this topic came up because a good friend and co-worker of mine is seriously considering a freelander and asked if I had any tips. Actually, I know less than nothing about the beasts and so I pointed him to my favorite group of Landy experts.....Mendo! I know that all of you will welcome him and look with keen interest at the new baby. His name is Gary Chappell. thanks leslie john hess wrote: > > Buying a Freelander Chris? > > >different from any they've had in the past. I hope we don't put them > >off because they drive a vehicle that some of us deem less worthy than > >what we own. I will be very disappointed if it turns out otherwise. > > > >C > [ 6 additional quoted lines pruned. ] -- -- Leslie Johnston-Dow, Ph.D. Sequencing Software Group Lead, Applied Biosystems johnstln@appliedbiosystems.com 650-638-5104 KG6HSG From bens Thu Feb 21 19:50:54 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1M0osS12836 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 21 Feb 2002 19:50:54 -0500 Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 19:50:54 -0500 Message-Id: <200202220050.g1M0osP12832@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Bruce R. Bonar" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Freelander owners soon in our ranks Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Very good Zack! Laughed out loud at this one, but not as loud as those bagpipes. :-) Bruce Zaxcoinc@aol.com wrote: > >...welcome them with the same warmth that we welcome anyone else who joins > us. > Mmmmmmm! Bagpipes! (in his best Homer Simpson voice.) > Zack From bens Thu Feb 21 19:57:27 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1M0vR512870 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 21 Feb 2002 19:57:27 -0500 Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 19:57:26 -0500 Message-Id: <200202220057.g1M0vQj12866@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Bill.T@rogers.wave.ca" To: "1230@aol.com" <1230@aol.com> Subject: 18cent long distance conference calls Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Take Control Of Your Conference Calls

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    ***** From bens Thu Feb 21 20:00:21 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1M10Ln12899 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 21 Feb 2002 20:00:21 -0500 Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 20:00:21 -0500 Message-Id: <200202220100.g1M10LK12895@minbar.fourfold.org> From: John Armstrong To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: FW: '73-S3 88 MUST SELL!! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I saw this on the list and was wondering if you had any pictures online that I could look at? Where are you located? John- From bens Thu Feb 21 20:34:00 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1M1Y0D13065 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 21 Feb 2002 20:34:00 -0500 Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 20:34:00 -0500 Message-Id: <200202220134.g1M1Y0Y13061@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Tom Walsh" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: What IS the smell? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Add a little mildew smell and your in the ballpark TomW > To me, it smells like a combination of 90 wt, plus burnt Castrol 20W-50 > (from the leaks onto the exhaust), plus exhaust fumes that don't seem to > leave the passemger compartment even if the vehicle hasn't run for 3 > months, plus burlap. > > Maybe we could try to bottle it and sell it as "Eau d' Land Rover". We > could give Freelander owners free samples. > > James [ 2 additional quoted lines pruned. ] *---------*---------* Tomw & the Killer Bee, tomw@fluentnet.com, www.fluentnet.com From bens Thu Feb 21 20:52:38 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1M1qcT13160 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 21 Feb 2002 20:52:38 -0500 Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 20:52:38 -0500 Message-Id: <200202220152.g1M1qcK13156@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "mpatrykus" To: Subject: More generating woes Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org So, last week I needed to replace my C40 generator, and several of you kind souls stepped up to the plate. I managed to make one good generator out of two, but apparently neither were quite good enough because now my idiot light is on and the bearing sounds like a hippo on rollerskates. (Well, at least what I imagine that would sound like.) SO- my alternator conversion becomes more pressing. I'd like to go with the Delco conversion. I know that the Lucas bracket is a bolt-on but in the long run I think the Delco is the better conversion. Opinions? Preferences? More importantly, does anyone have a source for the brackets that will fit the Delco? Thanks- Mo Patrykus '66 109 Regular "Fandango" Los Angeles ---------------------------------------------------- Sign Up for NetZero Platinum Today Only $9.95 per month! http://my.netzero.net/s/signup?r=platinum&refcd=PT97 From bens Thu Feb 21 21:03:18 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1M23IH13218 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 21 Feb 2002 21:03:18 -0500 Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 21:03:17 -0500 Message-Id: <200202220203.g1M23HT13214@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "mpatrykus" To: Subject: The smell of Land Rovers Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I love the smell of Land-Rovers in the morning! Smells like...freedom! (Cue the Wagner, cue the gear clatter) Mo Patrykus 66 109 Regular "Fandango" Los Angeles ---------------------------------------------------- Sign Up for NetZero Platinum Today Only $9.95 per month! http://my.netzero.net/s/signup?r=platinum&refcd=PT97 From bens Thu Feb 21 21:09:04 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1M294G13250 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 21 Feb 2002 21:09:04 -0500 Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 21:09:04 -0500 Message-Id: <200202220209.g1M294B13246@minbar.fourfold.org> From: James Howard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: What IS the smell? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Well, here in AZ, what little precipitation that comes in through the roof & windows leaks out through the floorboards, so I guess my Rover is mildew deficient. Tom Walsh wrote: > > Add a little mildew smell and your in the ballpark > > TomW > > > To me, it smells like a combination of 90 wt, plus burnt Castrol 20W-50 > > (from the leaks onto the exhaust), plus exhaust fumes that don't seem to > > leave the passemger compartment even if the vehicle hasn't run for 3 > > months, plus burlap. [ 8 additional quoted lines pruned. ] -- James Howard Naval Research Lab Code 7215, NPOI Project RR14, Box 447 Lake Mary Road Flagstaff, AZ 86001 +1-928-773-4868 (voice) +1-928-779-9568 (fax) jhoward@sextans.lowell.edu From bens Thu Feb 21 21:32:43 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1M2Wht13375 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 21 Feb 2002 21:32:43 -0500 Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 21:32:43 -0500 Message-Id: <200202220232.g1M2Whi13371@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Blair Peterson" To: "Mendo (E-mail)" Subject: Loooking for a Ham Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; ] [ 32 lines filtered. ] charset="iso-8859-1" Rob, I know little about Hams (that WILL change), but if you come to the Ham outlet in Oakland, I'll buy you lunch-- I work nearby. Heck, I bet we could get the E-ville L-R lunch crowd to migrate for the occasion. Let me know. Cheers, Blair (who promises not to snicker at Chris'--or any one else's--Freelander) From bens Thu Feb 21 21:38:48 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1M2cmO13410 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 21 Feb 2002 21:38:48 -0500 Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 21:38:48 -0500 Message-Id: <200202220238.g1M2cmZ13406@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: More generating woes Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Mo, In true Rover fashion, even though most people say you nead a special bracket to install the delco, I have found that it is not always so. I managed to just a long bolt through the generator mount along with the appropriate thickness of spacers to position the pulley in the correct plane to match the crank pulley. It should e fairly easy to do. for the adjusting bracket, I picked up a generic GM? one at the autu shop and cut id down until it was the correct size. again for either part of the delco it should be really easy to fab up something from what is lying around. Also...the delco is a much cheaper way to go with readily available replacments anywhere. the 65a one is just fine, no nead for a higher power just ran out to Elgie to check...and remembered (silly me) that YOu have a rover engine not a mercruiser, so steppied over th The African and popped the hood. the alt has a tag saying "autolight protech7127m" under the barcode it says 063109 and than 086337 at least I recall it was a 65 amp...maybe differeennt? Kragens has a lifetime warrentee if you get one from them. I believe the one in Elgie is actually the same one as I just copied the info from that one when I went to kragen... Paul The delco conversion was the smartest thing I did to the series rovers... --- mpatrykus wrote: > > So, last week I needed to replace my C40 generator, and > several of you kind > souls stepped up to the plate. I managed to make one good > generator out of > two, but apparently neither were quite good enough > because now my idiot > light is on and the bearing sounds like a hippo on > rollerskates. (Well, at [ 20 additional quoted lines pruned. ] __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com From bens Thu Feb 21 22:03:52 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1M33qB13546 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 21 Feb 2002 22:03:52 -0500 Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 22:03:51 -0500 Message-Id: <200202220303.g1M33ph13542@minbar.fourfold.org> From: John Young To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: What IS the smell? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Gee, Dave, my Land Rover smells like fine Corinthian leather and luxurious English walnut burl... oh, wait, you said pre '75-ish. Well, my '72 MG smells like burnt wire insulation, and my '66 TR4-A probably smells like the barn in which it has lived for the last fifteen years. Both of those cars have been on fire, come to think of it. -JY From bens Thu Feb 21 22:18:15 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1M3IFs13628 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 21 Feb 2002 22:18:15 -0500 Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 22:18:15 -0500 Message-Id: <200202220318.g1M3IF913624@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Brian Horner To: , Subject: Your Rover to be in a Photoshoot? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org http://www.roverme.org/article.php?sid=27&mode=&order=0 This person is looking for "old Defenders" to be in a Teva Sport Sandals photo-shoot. "Old Defenders" - sounds like she might be looking for Series models. Sounds like fun.... Brian ----------------------- http://www.roverme.org "Land Rover community, links and email services." From bens Fri Feb 22 00:54:47 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1M5slJ15431 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 00:54:47 -0500 Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 00:54:47 -0500 Message-Id: <200202220554.g1M5slv15427@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Russ Wilson To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: More generating woes Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > >just ran out to Elgie to check...and remembered (silly me) >that YOu have a rover engine not a mercruiser, So tell us some tales of mercruiser ownership. How do you like it? Is this in an 88 or a 109? RW -- From bens Fri Feb 22 00:54:44 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1M5si915423 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 00:54:44 -0500 Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 00:54:44 -0500 Message-Id: <200202220554.g1M5siG15419@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Russ Wilson To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Your Rover to be in a Photoshoot? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >http://www.roverme.org/article.php?sid=27&mode=&order=0 > >This person is looking for "old Defenders" to be in a Teva Sport Sandals >photo-shoot. "Old Defenders" - sounds like she might be looking for Series >models. Sounds like fun.... > >Brian > > [ 3 additional quoted lines pruned. ] -- Some fellow who is a big wig with Teva was rovering with us a few months back up in Ojai. I can't remember his name.... urgh.. I have his card at work. I'm thinking that this may be the connection. RW From bens Fri Feb 22 01:06:45 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1M66jB15517 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 01:06:45 -0500 Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 01:06:45 -0500 Message-Id: <200202220606.g1M66jM15513@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Russ Wilson To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: More generating woes Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > now my idiot light is on -- There is a good reason the idiot light is on.... He sits in the idiot seat.. ha ha ha ha Sometimes you just have to have a laugh Mo. Go with the generator and your life will be all smiles. hugs and kisses from up the street RW From bens Fri Feb 22 01:13:29 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1M6DTE15561 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 01:13:29 -0500 Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 01:13:29 -0500 Message-Id: <200202220613.g1M6DTC15557@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Zaxcoinc@aol.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: More generating woes Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset="US-ASCII" ] [ 11 lines filtered. ] In a message dated 2/21/02 5:12:21 PM Pacific Standard Time, androbus@yahoo.com writes: > Paul > The delco conversion was the smartest thing I did to the > series rovers... > That's because they had rottenchesters already. From bens Fri Feb 22 01:14:12 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1M6ECr15575 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 01:14:12 -0500 Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 01:14:12 -0500 Message-Id: <200202220614.g1M6ECW15571@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Chuck Huston To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Where to buy a Ham rig Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Rob, 2 friends and I took our Tech exams in Davis last weekend and bought Yaesu VX-5R handhelds. We also decided to get antennas for our vehicles, etc. and ended up getting our equipment (and recommendations) via long phone conversations with the folks at Ham Radio Outlet in Oakland. They were very helpful and really knew what they were talking about. We called HRO because quite a number of other, more experienced, radio amateurs in the area recommended them (and also AES). [I have also been to HRO in Oakland and it's worth the trip if you want to actually see what you're looking for!] Here are the links: Ham Radio Outlet: http://www.hamradiostore.com/ Amateur Electronic Supply: http://www.aesham.com/ Yolo Amateur Radio Society: http://home.pacbell.net/yars/ Good luck, Chuck Fairfield, CA '98 Disco ----- Original Message ----- Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 17:21:43 -0500 From: "Kerner, Rob" Subject: Where to buy a Ham rig I need a store to go look at radios and antennae where I can get sound purchasing advice. I prefer to stay in Sac, but would drive to the Ham Radio Outlet in Oakland if necessary, if people recommend it. I want a Mobile unit for Regent. - -Rob ------------------------------ From bens Fri Feb 22 01:27:54 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1M6RsU15662 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 01:27:54 -0500 Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 01:27:54 -0500 Message-Id: <200202220627.g1M6Rso15658@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "G. Mugele" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: For those who enjoy the non LR crazy stuff Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org An odd little nautical happening: http://www.revoh.org:1234/towboat/ From bens Fri Feb 22 01:34:23 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1M6YNH15700 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 01:34:23 -0500 Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 01:34:22 -0500 Message-Id: <200202220634.g1M6YME15696@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Rick Larson" To: Subject: Re: Freelander owners soon in our rank Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org No, you all have it wrong. We NAS D90 owners had to go through a long and painful period before the Series owners even acknowledged that we existed. I remember the endless diatribes over the fact that because LR dealers would sell us parts we didn't have real LR's. Then the LR lists powers acknowledged we existed, by thoughtfully creating a 2nd list for us. We next had to prove that we bought our trucks for something other than driving to pick up latte's. Think we did this by patiently winching the Series vehicles over obstacles. Disco's took even longer. Not quite sure they count as LR's even now. I know the latest two generations of RR's don't count. The orignial NAS RR wasn't accepted until they showed up on the used market in need of help. Probably the FAQ on power seat switch fixing that convinced the Series owners that RR electronics were just as problem plagued as theirs and so could be acknowledged as LR's. We had to split the LR email lists 4-5 ways so we could all get along. I say show no mercy to Freelander owners. Make them earn their place in the LR family. -Rick From bens Fri Feb 22 02:16:22 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1M7GMJ15918 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 02:16:22 -0500 Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 02:16:22 -0500 Message-Id: <200202220716.g1M7GM815914@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Keith Shukait To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?My_2=A2,_Venice_&_a_Free_Tire?= Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org All, On Freelanders, I'm with Chris, everyone needs a hug, even Freelander owners... I've had several suppliers ask me "what kind of Land Rover do you have, a Series truck or one of those new fangled Discoverys". On Smells, I have to laugh because the garage smelled like new tires this morning, it was great! The New Dunlop Radial Rover RTs are wonderful, I can talk to my passengers and they can hear me. The steering is a lot lighter too. I have one 7.5x16 Goodyear High Miler Xtra Grip that free to anyone who wants it, it's has a lot of tread left. I'm headed down to Venice Ca (about 10 miles from LAX) for a day trip. My plane lands at 9:00am and I'll be checking out a new Apple office there. Are there any Mendo folks in/near Venice that would like to have lunch? Let me know, I'll be checking my email. Keith 69 Series IIa 109 97 Disco XD From bens Fri Feb 22 02:27:11 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1M7RBq15971 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 02:27:11 -0500 Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 02:27:11 -0500 Message-Id: <200202220727.g1M7RBN15967@minbar.fourfold.org> From: John Purnell To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: the smell Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org At 05:42 PM 2/21/2002 -0500, you wrote: >"You know, there's something about old Land Rovers. They all have the >same.......smell. The wind must have been just right as I was walking up to >yours, because from 40 feet away, in a lot full of newer cars and trucks, I >got the same smell that all my old Rovers had." > >:^) > >I can never sell this truck. hmm... mines not even "old" and i agree... there's something about a mix of overheated coolant, 90W,and synthetic 5w-30 on a cold winter morning... :>) jp _____________________________________________________________________ John Purnell 92 RR County Madison, WI USA www.jpurnell.com From bens Fri Feb 22 02:34:29 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1M7YTn16006 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 02:34:29 -0500 Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 02:34:29 -0500 Message-Id: <200202220734.g1M7YTr16002@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: The Hidden History of the SUV... on now! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org local TV, Frontline, KQED... 10-11pm -- Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 From bens Fri Feb 22 02:56:35 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1M7uZR16120 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 02:56:35 -0500 Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 02:56:35 -0500 Message-Id: <200202220756.g1M7uZb16116@minbar.fourfold.org> From: John Purnell To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_My_2=A2,_Venice_&_a_Free_Tire?= Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org sorry i can't meet you there, but if you are short of places... try India Sweets and Spices on Venice Blvd (I think... boy, it's been a longtime) a bunch of blocks away from the ocean... they always had great somosa chana and other wonderous indian delights. i used to eat there all the time when i had my movie shoot repair business in marina del rey. ah,the good old days... john At 02:16 AM 2/22/2002 -0500, you wrote: >I'm headed down to Venice Ca (about 10 miles from LAX) for a day trip. >My plane lands at 9:00am and I'll be checking out a new Apple office >there. Are there any Mendo folks in/near Venice that would like to have >lunch? Let me know, I'll be checking my email. > >Keith >69 Series IIa 109 >97 Disco XD __________________________________________________________________ John Purnell Bon Vivante, Banjo Player, Social Pariah http://www.bignew.com *****Cork 'N Bottle String Band ****** From bens Fri Feb 22 03:00:56 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1M80u916154 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 03:00:56 -0500 Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 03:00:56 -0500 Message-Id: <200202220800.g1M80uK16150@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: More generating woes Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- Zaxcoinc@aol.com wrote: > androbus@yahoo.com writes: > > > > Paul > > The delco conversion was the smartest thing I did to > the > > series rovers... > > > [ 1 additional quoted lines pruned. ] sorta..... The African did, but it also had a motorola alternator conversion, but I managed to fry that as I tried to stop the engine and pulled off the posative from teh battery..oops! Elgie has a geared dual webber......but even with the mercruiser engine, I think it may work better witha 'chester I may give it a try as the two-barrel is a PITA!! I think Elio may have tuned it for the paradice elevations(or not...) but it's got the wrong jets for sea level.....gets all jerky when you stomp on the gas at times my plan is eventially to install a throttle body injection system complete outa a gm 2.8 v-6 as that's about the right displacement, and I can strip the ecu harness out fairly easilly....but that may have to wait a while... Paul __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com From bens Fri Feb 22 03:12:10 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1M8CAX16209 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 03:12:10 -0500 Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 03:12:10 -0500 Message-Id: <200202220812.g1M8CAS16205@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: More generating woes Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- Russ Wilson wrote: > > > > >just ran out to Elgie to check...and remembered (silly > me) > >that YOu have a rover engine not a mercruiser, > > > So tell us some tales of mercruiser ownership. How do > you like it? [ 1 additional quoted lines pruned. ] Russ, I have to admit I love it! I have not had any problems besides the carberation, and I will take care of that shortly. Elgie( "L G" phonetic for Little Green rover)is an 88" Pick-up....brother to John Hess's(actually Katherine's) Stubby, and Tom Walsh,s L il Bugger.... If I had a 109(as in actually had posession of a 109 unlike my short-lived ownership of Bear-trap my dormie/carawagon that never left teh east coast) I feel that the addition of a larger more powerfull engine would be a must to be able to keep up with traffic on the roads, and make it up mountain passes w/o the bicyclists and hikers passing me (I understand that is the true reason Teriann put in the 302!) ;-0 Is Gambringus a the point you are getting ready to install an engine now? or have you been busy and it's all finished? I hadn't heard anything fir a while about your work on it. if you ahve any specific questions, fire away. I'm a little fuzzy right now and am sighing off for the night.. Paul (soon to be down to two rovers instead of the four I had a year ago.....a much more managable number....I may be able to keep at leas one running now.....) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com From bens Fri Feb 22 03:53:45 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1M8rj216379 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 03:53:45 -0500 Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 03:53:45 -0500 Message-Id: <200202220853.g1M8rjT16375@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Russ Wilson To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: More generating woes Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > >Is Gambringus a the point you are getting ready to install >an engine now? I was going to go with a chevy 6 but it would have been too much hack and slash with my 4cyl frame and 4cyl bulkhead. So in with a nice 2.25 that I picked up from Pat Young. This will do for now, but I will be putting in something with a bit more ooomph as soon as $$ will allow. RW -- From bens Fri Feb 22 04:09:32 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1M99Wn16521 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 04:09:32 -0500 Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 04:09:31 -0500 Message-Id: <200202220909.g1M99Ve16514@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: More generating woes Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- Russ Wilson wrote: > I was going to go with a chevy 6 but it would have been > too much hack > and slash with my 4cyl frame and 4cyl bulkhead. So in > with a nice > 2.25 that I picked up from Pat Young. > This will do for > now, but I > will be putting in something with a bit more ooomph as > soon as $$ > will allow. makes sense! just get back on the road for now and have fun. if you want to talk about the scotty's conversion. I'm always free to talk. Also don't forget Bob Bernard who knows more about rovers and scotty's conversions than most of us will ever know......but if you are honestly interested in going with a mercruiser, I understand rob davis? back east has supposed to have come up with a really good set-up. if you want to do more of the foot-work and not spend all your cash with him, talk to me as by the time you are ready to do it, I hope to have finally finished up some of my plans and may be of help. Paul __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com From bens Fri Feb 22 04:09:32 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1M99Wv16525 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 04:09:32 -0500 Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 04:09:32 -0500 Message-Id: <200202220909.g1M99Wd16520@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: More generating woes Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- Russ Wilson wrote: > I was going to go with a chevy 6 but it would have been > too much hack > and slash with my 4cyl frame and 4cyl bulkhead. So in > with a nice > 2.25 that I picked up from Pat Young. > This will do for > now, but I > will be putting in something with a bit more ooomph as > soon as $$ > will allow. makes sense! just get back on the road for now and have fun. if you want to talk about the scotty's conversion. I'm always free to talk. Also don't forget Bob Bernard who knows more about rovers and scotty's conversions than most of us will ever know......but if you are honestly interested in going with a mercruiser, I understand rob davis? back east has supposed to have come up with a really good set-up. if you want to do more of the foot-work and not spend all your cash with him, talk to me as by the time you are ready to do it, I hope to have finally finished up some of my plans and may be of help. Paul __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com From bens Fri Feb 22 04:16:22 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1M9GMl16583 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 04:16:22 -0500 Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 04:16:22 -0500 Message-Id: <200202220916.g1M9GM516579@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "G. Mugele" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Regarding the costs of vehicles in NZ Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Okay I checked around and I got somewhat conflicting information but generally this is what I learned: The duty on auto imports to New Zealand is about the same as on other goods unless the vehicle is/was used in another country and owned by the importer. I can't even begin to fathom the reasoning for this but the older the vehicle the higher the duty and consequently the higher the GST. But presumably the older the vehicle the lower the basis value. Motorhomes, tractors and other "commercial" purpose built vehicle incur special taxes. Still, for a one year old LR imported from the US for example, the duty and tax together are 17% of the "determined" value. I'm not sure but I suspect that like the Calif. DMV, they have some sort of chart which specifies the assessed value of each brand and model. It appears that stories about outrageous fees are unfounded or maybe based on something in the distant past. As one Kiwi pointed out; there is no local auto industry to protect so they would be defeating themselves by taxing cars prohibitively. Makes sense to me. Also there is some sort of provision that makes luxury cars comparatively more affordable. Licensing fees are worse than some US states but appear to be much lower than California and are predicated on the type of vehicle rather than the value. There are apparently no fees associated with export but I'm not positive about that. What I am most interested in for myself is one of their utility trailers. They're really well made and the prices are fantastic. I'm currently trying to find an outfit that will ship one to the states for me. These things are usually 4'x8' with a decent suspension on standard 15" wheels... all heavy gauge steel and reinforced. The boxes, made of heavy sheet steel have strengthening V plates welded to the sides about every two feet. They usually have 15" sides over here but they're available up to 6' if you want. Some even have hydraulic rams to make 'em into dumpers. After all the steel is assembled, chassis and box, the things are hot dip galvanized. All that and they start at about $300 to 400 US. I don't think an American outfit could build one for that kind of money. Heck the hot dip would cost that much wouldn't it. Most of the ones I've seen are left unpainted; kinda cool. You can also get them with wooden boxes or deck in your choice of plywood or planking. I don't know what the planking is but it's probably something local...appears to be a relatively hard wood. One outfit, Aro Bros, says they will build anything ya want. I have seen some magnificent examples of their work. Is that more than you wanted to know? Cheers, Gerry Mugele -- ("Peat" '95 D90 SW) *** Beware of Geeks baring .GIFS From bens Fri Feb 22 05:43:12 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1MAhCx16962 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 05:43:12 -0500 Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 05:43:12 -0500 Message-Id: <200202221043.g1MAhCi16958@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Biophilian@aol.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Freelander owners soon in our rank Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org How true Rich. When I bought my RR, it was replacing and repairing the seat switches that sent me to the lists. I'll never forget what I was told by BP when I asked how long new ones should last: "How long is a piece of string?" I knew I didn't have just any vehicle; this one would be fixed--alot ;-0 Which reminds me I should get out a shoe box and tweezers, and open that driver's side switch under the desklamp--again. Afterall, the new waterpump and master cylinder are in. Oil's changed. Might as well make it sorta comfortable now it stops and isn't drooling coolant. I'd love a 109 or 110, but I don't have room for another in the budget or the garage. I've seen several Freelanders, and they are a cute car that reminds me of those other mini-suvs available. I just don't see how they'll instill any interest in off-roading w/o a transfercase. It might be handy to be able to just pick the darn thing up and turn it around when the trail requires lo-box, though. >:-)) Alright, I'll be good now. Kevan 87 RR--15 years young this May rlarson@dsldesigns.com writes: << The orignial NAS RR wasn't accepted until they showed up on the used market in need of help. Probably the FAQ on power seat switch fixing that convinced the Series owners that RR electronics were just as problem plagued as theirs and so could be acknowledged as LR's. We had to split the LR email lists 4-5 ways so we could all get along. I say show no mercy to Freelander owners. Make them earn their place in the LR family. >> From bens Fri Feb 22 10:42:29 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1MFgTZ18231 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 10:42:29 -0500 Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 10:42:29 -0500 Message-Id: <200202221542.g1MFgTX18227@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kerner, Rob" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Where to buy a Ham rig Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 51 lines filtered. ] Chuck who gave the test in Davis? I went to the bay area, becuase I couldn't find anywhere local. -Rob From bens Fri Feb 22 11:21:11 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1MGLB018499 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 11:21:11 -0500 Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 11:21:10 -0500 Message-Id: <200202221621.g1MGLAF18495@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Cc: androbus@yahoo.com Subject: Re: More generating woes Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi Paul, Don't forget that Elio made that intake manifold especially so he could keep the Mercruiser head with the individual ports and higher compression. If you want to try a rochester, it won't fit the custom 2bbl intake. One thought is to call Pierce, With your carb model number, to see what jets they reccommend for that carb. on your displacement. I believe it is a fairly expensive carb. and would hate to waste it. 408-842-6667 - They are also a Weber distributor. http://www.piercemanifolds.com/ Or maybe borrow? a 32/36DGV or 32/26DGAV(automatic electric choke) I like mine on the Datsun pickup and on my 69-88. Or..... Maybe you can find a 2bbl rochester as used on pontiacs and olds a number of years ago. Naahhh! that'd be too big for the little 4banger. BTW, what gets jerky when you stomp on the gas? The truck? or the Driver??? Possibly the accelerator pump is going bad? The rochesters do after a number of years but my Webers haven't yet. That will cause a buck/stumble on acceleration. Bob B At 12:00 AM 2/22/2002, you wrote: >Elgie has a geared dual webber......but even with the >mercruiser engine, I think it may work better witha >'chester I may give it a try as the two-barrel is a PITA!! >I think Elio may have tuned it for the paradice >elevations(or not...) but it's got the wrong jets for sea >level.....gets all jerky when you stomp on the gas at times >my plan is eventially to install a throttle body injection >system complete outa a gm 2.8 v-6 as that's about the right >displacement, and I can strip the ecu harness out fairly [ 7 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Fri Feb 22 11:31:08 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1MGV8D18554 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 11:31:08 -0500 Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 11:31:08 -0500 Message-Id: <200202221631.g1MGV8718550@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Cc: gambrinus@adelphia.net Subject: Re: More generating woes Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi Russ, Does Pat Young rebuild and sell his engines? Does he have an email address? Bob B At 12:53 AM 2/22/2002, you wrote: >I was going to go with a chevy 6 but it would have been too much hack >and slash with my 4cyl frame and 4cyl bulkhead. So in with a nice >2.25 that I picked up from Pat Young. This will do for now, but I >will be putting in something with a bit more ooomph as soon as $$ >will allow. > > >RW > [ 1 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Fri Feb 22 11:50:45 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1MGojD18660 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 11:50:45 -0500 Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 11:50:45 -0500 Message-Id: <200202221650.g1MGoj218656@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mo's generating woes Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi Moe, The guy in North Georgia has a version of the bracket that I hear he sells. I forget his name, but it should be Dixieland Rovers in Tifton Georgia,USA. In order to replace the front bracket, you need to remove the front crankshaft pulley. (not too big a deal) One of the bolts is too long to clear. Also if you don't want to spend money on the bracket, You can add 5/16 of washers behind the existing bracket on both bolts.(if you have the steel one and not the earlier cast one) Then add 15/16 to 1" of a spacer behind the Delco on the pivot bolt. If your truck is an older S2a, there is sometimes a little unused bracket on the frame that interferes with the alternator adjustment. When the generator is out of the way, I grind the bracket off and also the upper lip on the motor mount bracket. This makes it a heck of a lot easier to replace the belt by giving more clearance range for the alt. If you just want to do a quicky, Get a smallish delco and have a double pulley on it. I've bought the pulley from the rebuilders for a few bucks off a core. And then you don't need to add any spacer to the front bracket. The front v of the double pulley will be 5/16 further forward and will line up. I believe the original belt still works by the way. But if you opt to do it that way, there will be very little clearance and you may have to do some swearing while installing the belt. Bob Bernard Paradise,CA. 530-877-2749 69-88 "Sherman" Bob's, 85 amp Delco with spacers 65-88 "Olivia" Sue's, 65 amp Delco with the Britpac Bracket NLA. 51-80 "Axl"? Shop's 65amp Delco on a Chev 4banger. At 05:52 PM 2/21/2002, you wrote: >SO- my alternator conversion becomes more pressing. I'd like to go with the >Delco conversion. I know that the Lucas bracket is a bolt-on but in the >long run I think the Delco is the better conversion. >Opinions? Preferences? More importantly, does anyone have a source for the >brackets that will fit the Delco? > >Thanks- > >Mo Patrykus [ 1 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Fri Feb 22 12:29:11 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1MHTBD18877 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 12:29:11 -0500 Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 12:29:11 -0500 Message-Id: <200202221729.g1MHTBo18873@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Granny To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Zack's 'Pipes, was Re: Freelander owners soon in our ranks Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Let's just hope that the intervening two years have been spent actually learning how to play them. And let's make sure he's drugged enough to sleep in until about 8am or so! > Oh Zack....promises promises...be sure to camp right next to Ben > Mitchell!! tee hee From bens Fri Feb 22 12:37:27 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1MHbRa18959 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 12:37:27 -0500 Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 12:37:26 -0500 Message-Id: <200202221737.g1MHbQE18955@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kerner, Rob" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Zack's 'Pipes, was Re: Freelander owners soon in our ranks Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 18 lines filtered. ] I guarantee Crystal can scream louder than Zack can play, so if a whining bag pip wakes her up you'll know it. Of course she'll probably wake up anyway; just for fun. -Rob From bens Fri Feb 22 12:45:57 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1MHjvP19022 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 12:45:57 -0500 Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 12:45:56 -0500 Message-Id: <200202221745.g1MHju419018@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Granny To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Freelander owners soon in our rank Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Rick wrote: > No, you all have it wrong. We NAS D90 owners had to go through > a long and painful period before the Series owners I > even acknowledged that we existed. True enough. Even after all the list splits, Series III Land-Rovers were looked down upon by the "Real Land-Rovers have metal dashboards" set. For all I know, after I abandoned the LRO list as getting too boring, the Series I owners may have started a "Real Land-Rovers have flat sides" campaign! As for welcoming Freeloader (whoops, there I go!) owners, hell, we even welcome owners of Rover cars and those who don't even own any Rovers at all, just as long as they are good company. After all, it's really about the people, more than it's about the cars. As much as anything, what makes me love Land-Rovers-- and put up with all their peccadilloes--is the people they attract. It's true that I get very cold reactions from some owners I approach, especially owners of some of the new, stock, scratchless vehicles. But none of the many makes of cars I've owned (including Jaguars and BMWs) has come close to offering the level of camaraderie and highjinks that Land-Roves have. I don't know whether it's the car I hate to love or love to hate. Land-Rovers make me nuts but I am addicted to the breed and to the fellowship of all the other Land-Rover nuts! From bens Fri Feb 22 12:55:32 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1MHtWG19075 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 12:55:32 -0500 Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 12:55:32 -0500 Message-Id: <200202221755.g1MHtWV19071@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: " mendo rec list" Subject: Re: Freelander owners soon in our rank Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >No, you all have it wrong. We NAS D90 owners had to go through a long and >painful period before the Series owners even acknowledged that we existed. Oh poo. I was one of the major participants in the list split war. As far as I remember Defenders were always welcomed as the direct offspring (series IVA) of the series LR. >We next had to prove that we bought our trucks for something other than >driving to pick up latte's. Think we did this by patiently winching the Series vehicles >over obstacles. Once them Defenders got out on the trails you generated a whole lot of respect from leaf spring owners. But you guys never were considered outcasts. At least by me. Your vehicles looked like a Land Rover, they went off road like a Land Rover, only better, and there were a lot of parts that would bolt onto the older Land Rovers. I think from day one Defenders were acknowledged as the next version of the series LR. >Disco's took even longer. Not quite sure they count as LR's even now. They don't look like a Land Rover, they have no parts that just bolt onto an older Land Rover. The Disco's saving grace is that they work well off road and once their owners got used to the concept of leaking seals and decided upon which CD changers to get, they seemed to be pretty nice enthusiasts. It came down to nice people who were enthusiasts as being what was truly important. And their cars do have a lot of parts in common with the series IV Land Rovers even if none fit series III and older. That counts for something and at least show they are a cadet branch of the Land Rover family. >I say show no mercy to Freelander owners. Make them earn > their place in the LR family. I'll admit the Disco and RR people had to overcome a lot of prejudice. But we've got used to nice people driving strange and different vehicles. There just might be nice people driving Freelanders. Of course being a German design the seals may not leak so they will likely come with different new owner burning issues. Seems to me that if we can accept Exterras, Scouts and even Jeeps in the group on the trail we should be able to accept a Freelander on the trail without too much snickering. If they are wanting to drive it on the trail they are probably good people. But if you mean earn a place by actually taking their SUV out on the trail? Yeh, I guess they gotta earn it just like everyone else did. After watching them citified looking Discos and Range Rovers going off road I've learned not to completely prejudge a vehicle by the shape of its sheetmetal nor the driver by the model of rig that they trail in. TeriAnn Wakeman If you send me direct mail, please Santa Cruz, California start the subject line with TW - twakeman@cruzers.com I will be sure to read the message http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 From bens Fri Feb 22 12:57:01 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1MHv1919093 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 12:57:01 -0500 Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 12:57:01 -0500 Message-Id: <200202221757.g1MHv1V19089@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mo's generating woes Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org At 08:50 AM 2/22/2002, you wrote: >Hi Mo, >The guy in North Georgia has a version of the bracket that I hear he sells. >I forget his name, but it should be Dixieland Rovers in Tifton Georgia,USA. Here's more info, Gene Simpson sent me the name and phone for Dixieland Rovers. Bob B >Tifton, GA is in South Georgia, about 60 miles north of the Florida >line on I-75. I believe the proprietor is Steve Johnson @ 912.386.8498. >Gene >Gene From bens Fri Feb 22 13:08:11 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1MI8BR19158 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 13:08:11 -0500 Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 13:08:11 -0500 Message-Id: <200202221808.g1MI8BN19154@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Benjamin Allan Smith To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Freelander owners soon in our rank Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In message <200202221755.g1MHtWV19071@minbar.fourfold.org>you wrote: > >Disco's took even longer. Not quite sure they count as LR's even now. > They don't look like a Land Rover, they have no parts that just bolt > onto an older Land Rover. That's not true. I swap my steel rim tyres back and forth between my Series III and Disco all the time. The same engine and transmission will bolt right into a Series III v8 (stage 1). I've got a friend that took a 4.6 engine and put on the timing chain cover and cam from his 3.5 along with the carbs and intake manifold back on. The commonality is not zero. Ben From bens Fri Feb 22 13:16:51 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1MIGpZ19218 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 13:16:51 -0500 Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 13:16:50 -0500 Message-Id: <200202221816.g1MIGos19214@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kerner, Rob" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Freelander owners soon in our rank Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Ben Said: I swap my steel rim tyres back and forth between my Series III and Disco all the time. Ben this implies that you drive Dora?????:) Or does she just sit on the rims. -Rob From bens Fri Feb 22 13:21:47 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1MILl419256 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 13:21:47 -0500 Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 13:21:46 -0500 Message-Id: <200202221821.g1MILk519252@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Benjamin Allan Smith To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Freelander owners soon in our rank Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In message <200202221816.g1MIGos19214@minbar.fourfold.org>you wrote: > Ben this implies that you drive Dora?????:) Or does she just sit on the > rims. She has moved under her own power in the last year. I still need to rebuild the engine so mostly she sits. I'm getting things lined up so that I'll have access to garage space staring in April, so she's slated to be a summer project. Ben From bens Fri Feb 22 13:31:38 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1MIVcJ19336 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 13:31:38 -0500 Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 13:31:33 -0500 Message-Id: <200202221831.g1MIVXe19332@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: " mendo rec list" Subject: Re: Freelander owners soon in our rank Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >> >Disco's took even longer. Not quite sure they count as LR's even now. >> They don't look like a Land Rover, they have no parts that just bolt >> onto an older Land Rover. > That's not true. Opps Ben reminded me that I typed without thinking yet again. I even have Disco steel rims under my 109. Press send button insert rim TeriAnn Wakeman If you send me direct mail, please Santa Cruz, California start the subject line with TW - twakeman@cruzers.com I will be sure to read the message http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 From bens Fri Feb 22 15:21:27 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1MKLRL19858 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 15:21:27 -0500 Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 15:21:25 -0500 Message-Id: <200202222021.g1MKLPc19854@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Rich Williams" To: "PCRC List" , Subject: NEW EMAIL ADDRESS Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hey folks - it looks like I finally got my email mess straightened out. Out with the old email addresses: HOME: paddlers@nwlink.com OFFICE: richw@nwlink.com In with the new email addresses: HOME: lndrvr2@nwlink.com OFFICE: lndrvr1@nwlink.com Please update your files as needed. Thank you, Rich Williams Redmond, Washington, USA 1960 Series II 109SW - restoration in progress 1989 Range Rover Classic From bens Fri Feb 22 15:51:08 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1MKp8m20034 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 15:51:08 -0500 Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 15:51:08 -0500 Message-Id: <200202222051.g1MKp8U20030@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Eric Wilcox To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: The Smell Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org That rover smell... Some of you may remember that post I made a few weeks back about the mold that erupted inside my D110, which adds another layer and dimension to the "LR smell". Well, I took the advice of one of our members and bought a couple of buckets of Damp Rid from Home Depot. They cost about $2.50 a piece and I simply leave the (small) buckets in the front and back seats with the lids off. The crystals suck the moisture out of the air, seats, carpets, etc. and it ends up in the bottom of the bucket. The stuff works amazingly well, and no more mold! Well, last night, Blair Peterson graciously came over to my house for a long overdue "shop night". When he got inside of Jerry he said, "Damn, your truck smells fresh as a daisy", or something close to that. He went on to comment how his truck smells dank, musty, whatever due to wet ski boots, wet kids, etc. I had to get a tool out of his truck, and, I have to say, his interior flat-out stunk! Turns out, however, that he had a Guinee Pig cage in the back seat with 2 GP's in it that he had picked up earlier from their Pig Sitter (who took care of the GP's while the Petersons where skiing). Something tells me cage cleaning was not in the Pig Sitter's job description. Blair needs Damp Rid immediately. Eric Wilcox Jerry - 1993 D110 NAS KE6ISN From bens Fri Feb 22 17:46:40 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1MMke420686 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 17:46:40 -0500 Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 17:46:40 -0500 Message-Id: <200202222246.g1MMke420682@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: ouch. i just have to vent about this... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org please forgive me for posting this here, but i need to vent... yesterday i was laid off. i worked at my company for almost 2 years, and held a fairly good management position. the economy finally caught up to me i guess. then, to make matters worse, today while going in to pick up my boxes someone broke into the 110 and stole a bunch of stuff, including tons of personal documents I was STUPID enough to leave in the truck. I planned to be inside for all of 15 min... it just figures. I suppose the LR question here is - does anyone know if it's possible to get a window on order from a dealer or shop so I can try installing it myself? Do LRs require anything special in the way of windows? It's the right rear passenger door window, the larger one. I suppose next the house will burn down. Jason Pipes From bens Fri Feb 22 18:02:13 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1MN2DN20788 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 18:02:13 -0500 Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 18:02:12 -0500 Message-Id: <200202222302.g1MN2CH20784@minbar.fourfold.org> From: craig reece To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: ouch. i just have to vent about this... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Jason, Bummer - my condolences. Any auto glass shop should be able to replace the glass. Craig Reece Jason Pipes wrote: > please forgive me for posting this here, but i need to vent... yesterday i > was laid off. i worked at my company for almost 2 years, and held a fairly > good management position. the economy finally caught up to me i guess. then, > to make matters worse, today while going in to pick up my boxes someone > broke into the 110 and stole a bunch of stuff, including tons of personal > documents I was STUPID enough to leave in the truck. I planned to be inside > for all of 15 min... it just figures. > > I suppose the LR question here is - does anyone know if it's possible to get [ 7 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Fri Feb 22 18:21:59 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1MNLxZ20882 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 18:21:59 -0500 Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 18:21:59 -0500 Message-Id: <200202222321.g1MNLxJ20878@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Brian Horner To: Subject: Re: ouch. i just have to vent about this... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Bummer day Jason. If just replaced the back window on my 88" and have a couple boxes of window putty (like Play-doh) sitting at home if you want it. You can order glass through Rovers North but I recommend just having a piece cut to fit at your local glass shop. If I am not mistaken - Defender Windows also fit in the Series rear doors as well. If you need the window putty or an extra hand - just holler. Brian On 2/22/02 2:46 PM, "Jason Pipes" wrote: > > please forgive me for posting this here, but i need to vent... yesterday i > was laid off. i worked at my company for almost 2 years, and held a fairly > good management position. the economy finally caught up to me i guess. then, > to make matters worse, today while going in to pick up my boxes someone > broke into the 110 and stole a bunch of stuff, including tons of personal > documents I was STUPID enough to leave in the truck. I planned to be inside > for all of 15 min... it just figures. > [ 9 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ------------------------ http://www.roverme.org "Land Rover community, links and email services." From bens Fri Feb 22 18:26:17 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1MNQHF20914 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 18:26:17 -0500 Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 18:26:17 -0500 Message-Id: <200202222326.g1MNQHl20910@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kerner, Rob" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: ouch. i just have to vent about this... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Jason, just look at it as a way of spending more quality time with your Land-Rover -Rob From bens Fri Feb 22 19:54:25 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1N0sPs21311 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 19:54:25 -0500 Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 19:54:25 -0500 Message-Id: <200202230054.g1N0sPn21307@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Isaac Fain To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: series R&P prices? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org hello there from seattle, i've lurked here for awhile, but not really seen fit to post (which i'll try to refrain from, since this is a mostly local to Cali resource :) I was hoping that the list might give me an idea of what to expect to pay for a set of good 4.7 R&P's from a series truck both new or used, and if there are any known differences between SI, SII, or SIII. oh yeah - i'm looking for them to put on my new Freelander. GOTCHA! well, prolly not much better, but I want a set to put on my '91 RRC. I have the 35's bug real bad, and am slowly trying to collect parts for the 'big day'. hopefully the big day will be free of "thwaaack, , ch*rp ChIRP tink tink tink's . . . . but I do have a secret plan (i think). thanks in advance for any info - cheers w/ (micro)beers, isaac fain seattle, wa '91 RRC "Gatsby" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com From bens Fri Feb 22 20:10:18 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1N1AIj21396 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 20:10:18 -0500 Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 20:10:18 -0500 Message-Id: <200202230110.g1N1AIE21392@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Peter Ogilvie" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: ouch. i just have to vent about this... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org All but the windsheild in most cars are tempered glass. It needs to be cut to size, then tempered. This is something that isn't done in a small glass shop. Fortunately, you are in a big city so probably there is someone in the area that tempers glass or knows where to send the glass they cut for tempering. Since the 110 is a 109 with funny things holding up the body, the window might be the same as a 109. If that's the case, you might find used glass as in most parts of the world, there are a bunch more 109 tops than 109 bottoms. BP may have a new OEM piece available and surely RN does. Its just that OEM usually means pricey. If push comes to shove, any competent window shop could cut you a piece of laminated safety glass to go in place of tempered. Check that the thickness of the laminated glass will be compatible, however. Can sympathise with you on the break-in. I fell quickly out of love with SF when I had my vehicle broken into three times in a row. It's a lovely city but with it being the Mecca for those with an alternate lifestyle, it seems to have far more than its share of A** holes who think your stuff is theirs. I have no desire to spend anytime there, anymore. If it weren't for my son living in the Bay Area, I'd never go back again. Unfortunately, the Bay area seems to have born the brunt of the Dot Com melt down. Luckily my son graduated from Berkeley engineering in December of '00. He got wined and dined and offered all over the place. Aloha Peter O. >From: Jason Pipes >Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Subject: ouch. i just have to vent about this... >Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 17:46:40 -0500 > >please forgive me for posting this here, but i need to vent... yesterday i >was laid off. i worked at my company for almost 2 years, and held a fairly >good management position. the economy finally caught up to me i guess. [ 15 additional quoted lines pruned. ] _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From bens Fri Feb 22 20:54:09 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1N1s9W21619 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 20:54:09 -0500 Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 20:54:08 -0500 Message-Id: <200202230154.g1N1s8r21615@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: ouch. i just have to vent about this... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "....It's the right rear passenger door window, the larger one....." Others have answered quickly, but reading the answers and your question, I'm still confused. You're talking about a side door window, correct? For the rear-most door of the two on the passenger side of the truck, correct? Cranks up and down, right? If this is true, then talk of window putty and getting one cut are probably confused, thinking it's the loadspace window you're talking about. The side window glass is tempered and can't be custom cut. You should order one from a LR source. But I am still left wondering what you mean by "the larger one", unless you mean in comparison to the front passenger side door window glass, which is of course entirely different shape. Blah blah, blah....I think you need to call a place like BP, Rover's North, or Europarts and ask them to look up the part number for you. You can certainly figure out how to install it yourself. Remember, your truck is bolted together by a few blokes with mole grips and water pump pliers. You can certainly do as well with a little patience on your side. Until then, take the redneck approach with a trash bag and some duct tape. Use one of those black Hefty lawn and leaf bags for the trendy "deep tint" effect. :^) -Dave G. And PS - the job thing is just the powers that be telling you in no uncertain terms that you are destined for a higher purpose. Cheryl and I were both told our jobs would be eliminated, approximately 3 months after moving to Colorado in 1998. There were some anxious moments, I'll grant you. But it turned out to be the best thing that ever happened to either of us, professionally speaking. We're both now doing different, but exciting and enriching work we love, and can see that we were just collecting pay before. Not to mention the bonus that facing lower income levels caused us to re-prioritize some things and help us live a whole lot more efficiently so now that income levels are back up a bit, we're able to do better things with the money. Anyway, best of luck in the near future and don't be afraid to roll with the flow. :^) From bens Fri Feb 22 21:49:54 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1N2nsS21933 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 21:49:54 -0500 Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 21:49:54 -0500 Message-Id: <200202230249.g1N2nsP21929@minbar.fourfold.org> From: joe mulqueen To: mendo Subject: Tempered glass Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org On Series trucks, all flat glass other than windshields are tempered. Any "worthy" shop can cut new flat glass (assuming they know the dimensions) and send it out for tempering. That's what I did in order to get true tinted glass on my truck. It cost me $550 for 15 pieces. Joe Mulqueen '67 SIIA 109 SW __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com From bens Fri Feb 22 22:03:31 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1N33VO22011 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 22:03:31 -0500 Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 22:03:31 -0500 Message-Id: <200202230303.g1N33VV22007@minbar.fourfold.org> From: joe mulqueen To: mendo Subject: job loss Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Jason, Sorry to hear the bad news. As you may know, I moved from Los Gatos to Sonoma County 1.5 yrs ago. It took much hand wringing and I turned down great offers to stay from Metricom and 2 others (Metricom tanked so no great loss after all and the other companies also suffered). Anyway, I moved to Sonoma to take opportunity in "Telecom Alley" and also purchase a home with land and raise a family. All that changed this past summer when my startup "stopped". For that matter, Telecom Alley has stopped. I'm now moving back to the South Bay to share a home with friends and wait for a new opportunity. Joe Mulqueen '67 SIIA 109 SW Cotati, CA __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com From bens Fri Feb 22 22:04:01 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1N341P22025 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 22:04:01 -0500 Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 22:04:01 -0500 Message-Id: <200202230304.g1N341022021@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Rich Williams" To: Subject: Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org unsubscribe mendo_recce From bens Fri Feb 22 22:39:33 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1N3dX322191 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 22:39:33 -0500 Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 22:39:33 -0500 Message-Id: <200202230339.g1N3dXD22187@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Chuck Huston To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Cc: kerner@vegmail.ucdavis.edu Subject: Re: Davis Area Hams Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org ----- Original Message ----- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 10:42:29 -0500 From: "Kerner, Rob" Subject: RE: Where to buy a Ham rig [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 51 lines filtered. ] Chuck who gave the test in Davis? I went to the bay area, becuase I couldn't find anywhere local. - -Rob The Exam was given by the Yolo Amateur Radio Society (YARS) at the "Explorit" science center in Davis. See their website for more info: Yolo Amateur Radio Society: http://home.pacbell.net/yars/ Chuck ------------------------------ From bens Fri Feb 22 22:54:49 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1N3snQ22266 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 22:54:49 -0500 Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 22:54:49 -0500 Message-Id: <200202230354.g1N3sn822262@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jeremy Bartlett To: mendo Subject: Re: Freelander Owners in Our Midst Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I can't resist adding my personal bias. It comes down to this: Can you do some of the work on your vehicle or want to learn? Don't mind getting dirty? Are you a decent friendly easy going down to earth sort? Got some idea of off road driving and safety? Interested in taking your vehicle into less travelled locations and possible pushing it to it's limits? Get a laugh out of pushing your or someone else's vehicle through a trough of mud? Would you give the vehicle behind you half your meal if they ran out? (Do you know what MacAllan is?) Do you look down on Corinthian leather for it's own sake and in your heart prefer galvanizing to chrome plating? If so, pull up a seat and chat. Jeremy From bens Fri Feb 22 23:52:29 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1N4qTb22564 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 23:52:29 -0500 Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 23:52:29 -0500 Message-Id: <200202230452.g1N4qTp22560@minbar.fourfold.org> From: craig reece To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Freelander Owners in Our Midst Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Jeremy, What's a MacAllan? Do I have to sell my D90 because I don't know? Craig Jeremy Bartlett wrote: > I can't resist adding my personal bias. It comes down to this: > Can you do some of the work on your vehicle or want to learn? > Don't mind getting dirty? > Are you a decent friendly easy going down to earth sort? > Got some idea of off road driving and safety? > Interested in taking your vehicle into less travelled locations and > possible pushing it to it's limits? > Get a laugh out of pushing your or someone else's vehicle through a > trough of mud? [ 8 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Sat Feb 23 00:26:51 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1N5Qph23691 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 23 Feb 2002 00:26:51 -0500 Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 00:26:51 -0500 Message-Id: <200202230526.g1N5Qpg23687@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Rick Larson" To: Subject: Re: ouch. i just have to vent about this... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Sorry to hear it, I just got laid off myself. Fortunately I had enough notice that I was able to find a new one without to much down time. Good luck and try to enjoy the time off. A couple years ago I broke a front window. All the regular sources had one in stock. (RN, Dealer) I went with the dealer for the glass and had it installed at a local glass place. -Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason Pipes" To: Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 2:46 PM Subject: ouch. i just have to vent about this... > > please forgive me for posting this here, but i need to vent... yesterday i > was laid off. i worked at my company for almost 2 years, and held a fairly > good management position. the economy finally caught up to me i guess. then, > to make matters worse, today while going in to pick up my boxes someone > broke into the 110 and stole a bunch of stuff, including tons of personal > documents I was STUPID enough to leave in the truck. I planned to be inside > for all of 15 min... it just figures. > > I suppose the LR question here is - does anyone know if it's possible to get > a window on order from a dealer or shop so I can try installing it myself? > Do LRs require anything special in the way of windows? It's the right rear > passenger door window, the larger one. > > I suppose next the house will burn down. > > Jason Pipes From bens Sat Feb 23 00:31:45 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1N5VjG23748 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 23 Feb 2002 00:31:45 -0500 Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 00:31:45 -0500 Message-Id: <200202230531.g1N5Vj523742@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: ouch. i just have to vent about this... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Others have answered quickly, but reading the answers and your question, I'm >still confused. You're talking about a side door window, correct? For the >rear-most door of the two on the passenger side of the truck, correct? >Cranks up and down, right? Yes, yes and yes. >If this is true, then talk of window putty and getting one cut are probably >confused, thinking it's the loadspace window you're talking about. The side >window glass is tempered and can't be custom cut. You should order one from >a LR source. Yes, putty won't be of use to me with this one. >But I am still left wondering what you mean by "the larger one", unless you >mean in comparison to the front passenger side door window glass, which is >of course entirely different shape. I actually meant larger in that, unless I'm mistaken, there are two panes on the rear passenger doors. Usually crack addicts and other assorted trash will break the smaller one to gain access to whatever it is they want, but this time they wanted to also make a point and broke the larger main window. >Blah blah, blah....I think you need to call a place like BP, Rover's North, >or Europarts and ask them to look up the part number for you. You can I actually just got the 110 parts manual, so I can look it up now if I want to order it. But I don't have it with me... >certainly figure out how to install it yourself. Remember, your truck is >bolted together by a few blokes with mole grips and water pump pliers. You >can certainly do as well with a little patience on your side. Agreed! Recently got a work shop for this very purpose. Just didn't know if they glass was something I had to order or if I could get sized and cut anyplace. >take the redneck approach with a trash bag and some duct tape. Use one of >those black Hefty lawn and leaf bags for the trendy "deep tint" effect. :^) Heh. Redneck. That's what the person who did this to my truck would have had, had I caught it. Thanks for your thoughts on the job situation as well. Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 From bens Sat Feb 23 00:33:05 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1N5X5j23786 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 23 Feb 2002 00:33:05 -0500 Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 00:33:04 -0500 Message-Id: <200202230533.g1N5X4j23782@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: ouch. i just have to vent about this... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Rick, good idea. I'll actually call up the dealers tomorrow and see if someone has that piece in stock. I can install it myself, I believe. -- Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 From bens Sat Feb 23 00:45:30 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1N5jUY23928 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 23 Feb 2002 00:45:30 -0500 Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 00:45:30 -0500 Message-Id: <200202230545.g1N5jUA23924@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Peter Ogilvie" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: series R&P prices? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Think a complete 4.7 center section from Wise Owl just went for $160 on EBay. There is a guy in Colorado who's sitting on two diffs that he'd let go for $250 each. Bet if you put the word out, you'd find some cheaper than those. I'd talk with Bill at GBRovers about 4.1 gears. The Series Rover diffs are none too strong. One of the reasons is the small size of one of the gears to get 4.7 gear ratio. Of course these would be new gears and probably not cheap. Is there a way to shoe horn 35" tires under a RR or are you going to make friends with a cutting torch??? Thought 33" was a stretch for the RR, never seen one with 35" tires. Aloha Peter O. >From: Isaac Fain >Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Subject: series R&P prices? >Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 19:54:25 -0500 > >hello there from seattle, > >i've lurked here for awhile, but not really seen fit to post (which i'll [ 32 additional quoted lines pruned. ] Aloha Peter Ogilvie Kona Coffee Rover 1970 88 soft top, 'huli' Mine since '84 but recovering from exposure of the dark side. 1966 109 pickup 'slime' In my garage since '90, finally running. 1965 88 parts car, slowly sinking into the lava. 196? 88 hard top, possibly 'phoenix' if it rises, it will certainly be from ashes or at least a pile of rust _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From bens Sat Feb 23 02:20:00 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1N7K0s24341 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 23 Feb 2002 02:20:00 -0500 Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 02:20:00 -0500 Message-Id: <200202230720.g1N7K0q24333@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Keith Shukait To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: My 2 cents Venice and a free tire Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org John, Thanks, I ended up grabbing a sandwich and eating on the beach. I had a good time and got everything taken care of. Keith > Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 02:56:35 -0500 > From: John Purnell > Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_My_2=A2,_Venice_&_a_Free_Tire?= > > sorry i can't meet you there, but if you are short of places... try > India > Sweets and Spices on Venice Blvd (I think... boy, it's been a > longtime) a > bunch of blocks away from the ocean... they always had great somosa [ 8 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Sat Feb 23 12:10:21 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1NHAL526894 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 23 Feb 2002 12:10:21 -0500 Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 12:10:21 -0500 Message-Id: <200202231710.g1NHALN26890@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Christopher H. Dow" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Freelander Owners in Our Midst Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org MacAllan is single-malt Scotch. I don't think Jeremy had a requirement for a perfect score. C From bens Sat Feb 23 12:23:04 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1NHN4f26959 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 23 Feb 2002 12:23:04 -0500 Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 12:23:04 -0500 Message-Id: <200202231723.g1NHN4u26955@minbar.fourfold.org> From: craig reece To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Freelander Owners in Our Midst Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Oh good, I'll pull the ad on my D90. Craig "Christopher H. Dow" wrote: > MacAllan is single-malt Scotch. I don't think Jeremy had a requirement > for a perfect score. > > C From bens Sat Feb 23 12:25:01 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1NHP1Z26978 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 23 Feb 2002 12:25:01 -0500 Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 12:25:01 -0500 Message-Id: <200202231725.g1NHP1W26971@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Isaac Fain To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: series R&P prices? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org thanks Peter - yes, I know about the 4.75 and 4.1 available from GBR (and ashcroft, and maxi-drive), but they're kind of unobtanium for me at the moment, at least if I want any other modifications. and yes, our friends in Oz run 35's all the time on the RR (31x10.5 being the most common) with only a set of fender flares and a small body lift, and it looks very professional, while packing a great deal of attitude. A couple of them have told me that many aussies buy the RR because they do *not* want to modify the stock suspension, leaving cash for tires and recovery gear. Makes sense to me. rovertym in fact has recently begun marketing a 2" body lift; check out their site. I'll be putting mine own together, CB that I am. I don't really think it's that much more work to fit 35's to RR than any other make or model. Have you seen how much lift some of the Jeep/Toy guys have to put on? 5 and 6" seems to be the norm. (yuuuck!) hmmm . . . just passed on a great deal for a set of 38's. :) (no isaac NO!) Like others I've read about, I'm also still recovering from a lay-off (nice cushy mgmt job) in late 2000 (3 mos after our 1st child was born, and right after vacation); and a failed start-up that I funded. Really didn't get off the ground, but I have a lot of residual debt. I feel your pain! thanks for the info - isaac fain seattle, wa '91 RRC "Gatsby" '95 XJ6 "Hers" --- Peter Ogilvie wrote: > > Think a complete 4.7 center section from Wise Owl just went for $160 on > EBay. There is a guy in Colorado who's sitting on two diffs that he'd let > go for $250 each. Bet if you put the word out, you'd find some cheaper than > those. > > I'd talk with Bill at GBRovers about 4.1 gears. The Series Rover diffs are > none too strong. One of the reasons is the small size of one of the gears > to get 4.7 gear ratio. Of course these would be new gears and probably not [ 36 additional quoted lines pruned. ] __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com From bens Sat Feb 23 12:41:53 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1NHfr627074 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 23 Feb 2002 12:41:53 -0500 Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 12:41:53 -0500 Message-Id: <200202231741.g1NHfrq27070@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re:bad brake parts Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi, My son bought bonded brake shoes from Rovers North for his 88 thinking they would be the best supplier. Well one of the shoes came apart (appeared to be not glued well). The pieces piled up and generated heat which ruined the freshly lubed wheel bearings, and also ruined a drum. They refuse to stand behind their part and told him he did something wrong! I didn't think RN would act like this. I know I'm not crazy about their prices, but now I'll think twice before buying from them. I've had a few small problem with parts from British Pacific, but they always remedy the problem. I've also had bonded shoe linings come loose, but don't know where the parts were from in that case. Bob B Bob Bernard Paradise,CA. 530-877-2749 69-88 "Sherman" Bob's, 65-88 "Olivia" Sue's, 51-80 "Axl"? Shop's From bens Sat Feb 23 13:36:00 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1NIa0r27337 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 23 Feb 2002 13:36:00 -0500 Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 13:35:59 -0500 Message-Id: <200202231835.g1NIZxM27333@minbar.fourfold.org> From: john hess To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: series R&P prices? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org who wanted a series diff? email me. john hess, Davis, California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Dormie web pages at http://dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/startpoint.html From bens Sun Feb 24 22:46:54 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1P3ksc05556 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 24 Feb 2002 22:46:54 -0500 Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 22:46:53 -0500 Message-Id: <200202250346.g1P3krs05552@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Rick Larson" To: Subject: Re: [Fwd: [PCRC] north american 101 club] Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Can I use a Freelander as a Gun Tractor? If so I just might have to revise my opinion of Freelanders and their owners :) Semi-seriously, what is the GVW and towing capacity of a Freelander? -Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Archibald" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2002 2:35 PM Subject: Re: [Fwd: [PCRC] north american 101 club] > > Peter, > methinks Bruce was kidding there! ;-) > > Paul > > > --- Peter Ogilvie wrote: > > [ 19 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Sun Feb 24 23:21:55 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1P4Ltu05722 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 24 Feb 2002 23:21:55 -0500 Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 23:21:55 -0500 Message-Id: <200202250421.g1P4Lti05718@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Clark and Donna Bowen" To: Subject: Koenig PTO winch parts Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Does anyone out there have a shifter yoke for an old Koenig 8000# PTO winch that they would like to sell? It is the shifter fork that moves the ring back and forth on the transmission output shaft to engage or disengage the PTO. Mine broke. Will it hold up if it is brazed or welded in case I can't find a replacement? Could trade Series parts for it too. Clark Bowen cdbowen@internetcds.com 541-665-2164 From bens Mon Feb 25 00:58:08 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1P5w8q07314 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 00:58:08 -0500 Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 00:58:08 -0500 Message-Id: <200202250558.g1P5w8N07310@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Keith Shukait To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Freelander Weights Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Rick, GVWR: 4541lbs. Curb Weight 3562 - 3612lbs. (depending on options) Maxium payload 922 - 972lbs. (depending on options) Towing capacity is 1650lbs. with out trailer brakes Towing capacity is 2500lbs. with trailer brakes Why do I know this??? I talked my folks into one and joining the club, hey it's better than the Saturn Vue they were looking at!!! As soon as their rental property sells in Arnold Ca. they're going to buy a Freelander S in Silver. They're retired now and the up keep, maintenance and gas mileage is a lot better fit for them than a Discovery. Keith 69 Series IIa 109 ExMoD 97 Expedition Discovery (XD) > Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 22:46:53 -0500 > From: "Rick Larson" > Subject: Re: [Fwd: [PCRC] north american 101 club] > > Can I use a Freelander as a Gun Tractor? If so I just might have to > revise > my opinion of Freelanders and their owners :) Semi-seriously, what is > the GVW and towing capacity of a Freelander? From bens Mon Feb 25 02:20:41 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1P7KfO07743 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 02:20:41 -0500 Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 02:20:41 -0500 Message-Id: <200202250720.g1P7Kfr07739@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "randy katz" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: James MAY's review of the New Range Rover Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org If you hate these postings I can be convinced to stop them: The Range Rover's Return James May, Country Life, 31 January 2002 On a philosophical level, the Range Rover never made any sense whatsoever. When I eventually compile my book of the world's greatest oxymorons, "luxury off-roader" is going to be right at the front, ahead, even of "fun fair" and "economy class." History, however, proves that the idea has worked well, although even then perhaps not entirely as expected. Legend has it that the concept was inspired by complaints from the British farming community--they wanted a vehicle that would prevail over agricultural terrain in the way only a Land Rover could, yet was plush enough for taking Mrs. Farmer into town for a night out. For once, someone listened to farmers, and the Land Rover Range Rover, one of the most iconic and significant cars in the history of the British motor industry, was born. That was 1970. Curiously, something similar happened in Australia, but there the outcome was the "coop ute"--the coupe utility, a sort of pick-up truck with a posh cab. Not really as good. It did not take long for the Range Rover to break free of its intended remit, becoming, as is well documented, the favoured transport of Hollywood moguls and "Chelsea farmers." For transcending the yawning chasm between essential rural kit and indulgent urban chic, the Range Rover soon rivalled the wellington boot. Few people actually used their Range Rovers in the countryside, either. For the new model, only the third in 32 years, Land Rover has taken the opportunity to effect a complete reversal of the Range Rover priorities. What was once an unashamed off-road workhorse paying token fealty to comfort is now an out-and-out luxury express in which all-terrain capability is presented as a bonus. One wonders why these people won't simply admit defeat and build a limousine. Then again, that would not be a true Land Rover. Off-road capability can be regarded in the way the driver's airbag is; that is, one hopes never to have to use it, but it is nice to know that it will work. Furthermore, there is a hard-core pith-helmet-and-comedy-shorts contingent at Land Rover, but I shall come on to that lot in a moment. Starting from the inside, the new Range Rover makes a startling contrast with the original. The 1970 model seems painfully austere by modern standards, but it must be remembered that it was unveiled at a time when a traditional Land Rover would have been considered fully specified if it actually had a roof. The cabin--inspired, apparently, by the Riva motor launch and the wheelhouses of luxury yachts--features hide, wood and modern textured plastics. It is a curious mixture of boat, country house and Swedish hi-fi, and surprisingly successful. In an age when so many car interiors seem to have been hewn from a single piece of burnt toast, it is pleasing to find a proper "assembled" facia. The seats are superb and the view commanding. From without, the Range Rover still looks like one, and established styling features such as large glass area, the rear pillars, the clamshell bonnet and the general impression that it was drawn with a ruler and pencil have been retained, even though the body (of unitary construction rather than with a separate chassis) is entirely new. It looks the way it does for good reason. It begins with the seating position, which must be high to allow a view over hedges and into ditches; the glasshouse is upright and the flanks flat so that driver might look straight down at the boulders he is trying to avoid; the lower edges of the nose and tail taper sharply upwards so they can clear sharp inclines; and the bonnet is square-cut so the car's extremes can be easily judged. Beneath that vast bonnet beats one of two excellent BMW engines. The presence of either the 4.4-litre V8 petrol engine or the 3.0-litre six-cylinder diesel from Munich is the legacy of BMW's brief custody of the Solihull factory. The Range Rover was conceived internally, developed under BMW ownership, and completed with Land Rover as part of the Ford empire. It is a combination of British design flair and German engineering excellence. Still, it could have been worse. It could have been the other way round. The new vehicle (Land Rover refuses to use the word "car") was launched at Skibo Castle in Scotland, a truly pukka country seat whose credentials can be established with the mere fact that the lavatory paper is not formed into a point. Unfortunately, it is right out in the cuds, which meant the Land Rover old guard alluded to earlier could not resist subjecting us to two hours of rigorous off-road driving, some of it at night. I arrived at the end, as usual, badly shaken, although not so badly as I would have been in the previous model. Various valves maintaining true independence of the all-round air-sprung independent suspension saw to that. The Range Rover is something of a doddle to drive in the rough, since electronics take care of traction control and Land Rover's Hill Descent System, the low-range gearbox can be selected on the roll with a fingertip movement (useful when towing horseboxes, apparently), and the automatic gearbox can be controlled manually. The hardest part of the course was trying to imagine why anyone who paid up to 60,000 pounds for a luxury car would want to subject it to such treatment. So that's enough off-roading then. On proper Tarmac the Range Rover is a revelation. The ride is exemplary; not just be the standards of off-roaders (which would not be much of an accolade) but in comparison with real saloon cars. The steering, too, is much more preceise than it has been in any Range Rover to date. And it is truly comfy and magnificently equipped, to the extent that the air-suspended body can be made to squat when coming to a halt for an elegant dismount, in the way that other cornerstone of all-terrain travel, the camel, can. But the Range Rover, by dint of its leather-lined cabin, smells much better. Through bends the Range Rover still has some difficulty in disguising its bulk--it weighs 2.5 tons and from the window one may readily stub out cigars on the roofs of passing Volvo estates. The V8 engine especially is deceptively powerful and the BMW gearbox shifts with silky alacrity, but the Range Rover is still best driven in chauffeur mode; guided, not hustled along. This could be considered a safety feature, as it encourages restraint. My criticisms would be that it has become almost too massive and that it seems to like a drink. I could not better 16 mpg in the V8 petrol and even the supposedly frugal diesel lingered in the low 20s. That apart, on winding A- and B-roads the new Range Rover felt, incongruously enough, like an accomplished grand touring car. See what I mean? It makes no sense. This may be what makes its so British. It is definitely what makes it so appealing. From bens Mon Feb 25 06:28:14 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1PBSEg08855 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 06:28:14 -0500 Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 06:28:13 -0500 Message-Id: <200202251128.g1PBSDF08851@minbar.fourfold.org> From: John Young To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Freelander Towing/Payload Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Rick asked: > Can I use a Freelander as a Gun Tractor? If so I just might have to revise > my opinion of Freelanders and their owners :) Semi-seriously, what is > the GVW and towing capacity of a Freelander? Numbers I see are: Freelander: Payload 921 Towing 2500 (BTW, it's a class II hitch, not III) GVWR 4541 Of course, if you want to tow stuff, I recommend running over to Wisconsin and picking up one of these: http://www.oshkoshtruck.com/htm/defense/hemttgal9.cfm A thing of beauty that looks like it could pull all of our trucks at once. -JY From bens Mon Feb 25 11:25:31 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1PGPVO10255 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 11:25:31 -0500 Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 11:25:30 -0500 Message-Id: <200202251625.g1PGPUM10251@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "" To: Subject: Thank U Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; ] [ 67 lines filtered. ] From bens Mon Feb 25 11:41:25 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1PGfPH10356 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 11:41:25 -0500 Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 11:41:25 -0500 Message-Id: <200202251641.g1PGfP610352@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Thank U Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org At 08:25 AM 2/25/2002, you wrote: >Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 11:25:30 -0500 >From: "" >To: >Subject: Thank U >Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > > [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] > [ text/html; ] [ 1 additional quoted lines pruned. ] Oh Oh! every time I get an empty message, It seems to be caused by a virus! Bob B From bens Mon Feb 25 12:01:16 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1PH1G010467 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 12:01:16 -0500 Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 12:01:16 -0500 Message-Id: <200202251701.g1PH1Gp10463@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Koenig PTO winch parts Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi Clark, This sounds like the regular PTO which is a Land Rover part. I have a PTO I tried to sell a few years ago but only got questions and no money or offers. Since then I decided to keep it and maybe use it to run an air pump on my 51. Why don't you call Wise Owl? He has a lot of used stuff and is a good guy to do business with. He's on the opposite end of the spectrum from Cornflakes. Bob B At 08:21 PM 2/24/2002, you wrote: >Does anyone out there have a shifter yoke for an old Koenig 8000# PTO winch >that they would like to sell? It is the shifter fork that moves the ring >back and forth on the transmission output shaft to engage or disengage the >PTO. Mine broke. Will it hold up if it is brazed or welded in case I can't >find a replacement? Could trade Series parts for it too. > >Clark Bowen >cdbowen@internetcds.com >541-665-2164 From bens Mon Feb 25 15:02:30 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1PK2Up11449 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 15:02:30 -0500 Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 15:02:30 -0500 Message-Id: <200202252002.g1PK2UP11445@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Peter Whitbeck To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Problem gassing disco up on long road trips... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org This has been going on for some time but, till now, I've been too lazy to deal with it... Usually happens on long trips. Start filling with gas. Skwoooooooosh CLICK! Pump shuts off. Move the nozzle around, go slower etc. Skwoosh CLICK! Okay. Turn the handle upside down and go really slow - skwoosh CLICK! DAMMIT!!!!! After five minutes I have maybe $1.23 worth of gas in the thing. This happens on the new types of pumps with the seals, the old style pumps out in the hicks with no rubber seal, etc. Very frustrating. Any ideas as to what the heck is going on? ************** Peter Whitbeck Peter@RailCarAmerica.com http://www.railcaramerica.com/pw/ From bens Mon Feb 25 15:31:36 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1PKVaM11639 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 15:31:36 -0500 Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 15:31:36 -0500 Message-Id: <200202252031.g1PKVaS11635@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Keith Shukait To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Luck is with me today! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Locked myself out of the house this morning only to find my keys in the ignition of the 109. Score!!!! Backed out of the garage, ran over the push broom and it stood up and wacked the passenger side wing so hard it bounced twice and no dent!!!! I'm off to get a lotto ticket! Keith From bens Mon Feb 25 15:59:26 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1PKxQn11832 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 15:59:26 -0500 Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 15:59:25 -0500 Message-Id: <200202252059.g1PKxPh11828@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Luck is with me today! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Keith, Maybe with your luck you can help me get a job. My luck seems to have hit rock bottom! Seriously though, I just applied at Apple for a director position with the training dept. Maybe something will become of it! Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 From bens Mon Feb 25 16:05:25 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1PL5PH11938 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 16:05:25 -0500 Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 16:05:25 -0500 Message-Id: <200202252105.g1PL5PR11934@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Granny To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Freelander Towing/Payload Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org John Young wrote: > http://www.oshkoshtruck.com/htm/defense/hemttgal9.cfm > > A thing of beauty that looks like it could pull all of our trucks at once. Indeed! I was stopped at a stop light in Ukiah one day and saw one of these monsters lurking in my rear view mirror--an intimidating sight!! I had my camera with me so pulled off to shoot a picture, as soon as I could. It had vanished without a trace... Granny From bens Mon Feb 25 16:06:26 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1PL6Qt11959 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 16:06:26 -0500 Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 16:06:26 -0500 Message-Id: <200202252106.g1PL6QK11955@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Problem gassing disco up on long road trips... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "...After five minutes I have maybe $1.23 worth of gas in the thing...." I had the same problem at certain stations around home. I couldn't correlate it to anything but potentially some hyper-sensitve backflow valves in the pump handles. I stopped buying gas at the problem stations. FWIW, none of the stations I was using had the vapor recovery (rubber boot) systems. -Dave G. From bens Mon Feb 25 18:05:43 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1PN5hS12644 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 18:05:43 -0500 Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 18:05:43 -0500 Message-Id: <200202252305.g1PN5hq12640@minbar.fourfold.org> From: James Howard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Freelander Towing/Payload Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org They have a few of those at the national guard armory near here. It is interesting to see them negotiate downtown traffic. Granny wrote: From bens Mon Feb 25 18:49:57 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1PNnvd12861 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 18:49:57 -0500 Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 18:49:57 -0500 Message-Id: <200202252349.g1PNnve12857@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Benjamin Allan Smith To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Freelander Towing/Payload Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In message <200202252305.g1PN5hq12640@minbar.fourfold.org>you wrote: > They have a few of those at the national guard armory near here. It is > interesting to see them negotiate downtown traffic. There was one up at the Winter Romp in Maine a weekend ago. A guy from Quebec came down flat towing a Series III 88 behind the Freelander. The only offroading that I saw it doing was across a muddy roverpolo field. Where it got stuck, but honourably got itself free without any help. But it was close. To be fair it had road tyres and the field had been chewed up a little by 30+ Land Rovers with chains. Ben From bens Mon Feb 25 19:16:24 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1Q0GOY13009 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 19:16:24 -0500 Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 19:16:24 -0500 Message-Id: <200202260016.g1Q0GOm13005@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Peter Ogilvie" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Freelander Towing/Payload Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Something that big and presumably slow disappearing without a trace. HMMMMMMMM!!! Sounds like Art Bell would like to hear about that. Aloha Peter O. >From: Granny >Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Subject: Re: Freelander Towing/Payload >Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 16:05:25 -0500 > >John Young wrote: > > > http://www.oshkoshtruck.com/htm/defense/hemttgal9.cfm [ 14 additional quoted lines pruned. ] _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From bens Mon Feb 25 20:15:56 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1Q1Fup13320 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 20:15:56 -0500 Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 20:15:55 -0500 Message-Id: <200202260115.g1Q1Ftp13316@minbar.fourfold.org> From: John Brabyn To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Regarding the costs of vehicles in NZ Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org This is indeed the case -- new imported vehicles used to be heavily taxed in NZ in the old days when they had local assembly plants, and for a while after that it continued as an easy source of revenue for the govt. During that time NZ became known as a museum for old cars, because people kept and looked after them for a long time. A major factor in ending this was the influx of fairly new but USED cars from Japan. Strange laws in Japan that were lobbied for by the car makers make cars almost worthless there after about 3 years old (they have to be almost dismantled into small pieces to make sure everything is safe etc) so some enterprising NZers years ago started importing them to NZ. That knocked the bottom out of NZ car prices generally, and precipitated the removal of the excessive duties on new cars etc. So now they are about the same as here after allowing for the exchange rate. Of course you still have to pay 12.5% GST on them when you buy them. You probably could avoid the tax if it was for export to the US, but remember the vehicles in NZ (like Australia, UK, Japan etc) all have right hand drive. Cheers John "G. Mugele" wrote: > Okay I checked around and I got somewhat conflicting information but > generally this is what I learned: > > The duty on auto imports to New Zealand is about the same as on other > goods unless the vehicle is/was used in another country and owned by > the importer. I can't even begin to fathom the reasoning for this > but the older the vehicle the higher the duty and consequently the > higher the GST. But presumably the older the vehicle the lower the > basis value. Motorhomes, tractors and other "commercial" purpose [ 42 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Mon Feb 25 20:40:39 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1Q1edC13433 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 20:40:39 -0500 Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 20:40:38 -0500 Message-Id: <200202260140.g1Q1ecR13429@minbar.fourfold.org> From: John Brabyn To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Freelander owners soon in our rank Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org This is an interesting thread and somewhat reminiscent of the days mentioned by others when US spec Range Rover owners like myself were on the LRO list. Although I remember that episode somewhat painfully, I expect the next round might sort itself out more easily. There are already more models in the mix than there were then, and hopefully people are a bit more open-minded as a result. Anyway, as others have mentioned it is the people and the fun of off-roading that really count more than the vehicles in the end. A bit of good natured debating on the merits of the different models is appropriate, as long as none of the owners are made to feel inferior for making their particular choices. For my part, I accept the occasional rants on the shortcomings of air springs relative to cart springs and coil springs etc (much more frequent on the "rro" list than the mendo list) as part of the fun! If the present rate of 4WD road and trail closures continues, a Freelander will soon be able to go anywhere that's legal anyway! After all, a rental car can already go 95 % of the places a Land Rover does . (Not so subtle plug for Bruce's plea to sent money to your choice of Blue Ribbon Coalition, CA4WDC etc!!) Cheers John From bens Mon Feb 25 20:46:25 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1Q1kP213470 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 20:46:25 -0500 Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 20:46:25 -0500 Message-Id: <200202260146.g1Q1kPp13466@minbar.fourfold.org> From: John Brabyn To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: James MAY's review of the New Range Rover Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Randy, I for one enjoy these postings. There is another test of the next RR on the car connection website too. See http://www.thecarconnection.com/index.asp?article=4577 Cheers John randy katz wrote: > If you hate these postings I can be convinced to stop them: > > The Range Rover's Return > James May, Country Life, 31 January 2002 > > On a philosophical level, the Range Rover never made any sense whatsoever. > When I eventually compile my book of the world's greatest oxymorons, > "luxury off-roader" is going to be right at the front, ahead, even of "fun > fair" and "economy class." [ 110 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Mon Feb 25 23:23:10 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1Q4NAE14549 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 23:23:10 -0500 Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 23:23:10 -0500 Message-Id: <200202260423.g1Q4NAt14545@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob Rickard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Freelander owners soon in our rank Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org John said: >If the present rate of 4WD road and trail closures continues, a >Freelander will >soon be able to go anywhere that's legal anyway! After all, a rental car can >already go 95 % of the places a Land Rover does . Reminds me of when the owner of a Bed and Breakfast we were staying at once said, with a straight face, that certain of the local roads were recommended for 4WD or rental cars only. ... Bob Rickard -- From bens Tue Feb 26 00:34:23 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1Q5YNC16022 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 00:34:23 -0500 Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 00:34:23 -0500 Message-Id: <200202260534.g1Q5YN616018@minbar.fourfold.org> From: James Howard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Regarding the costs of vehicles in NZ Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org On Mon, 25 Feb 2002, John Brabyn wrote: > A major factor in ending this was the influx of fairly new but USED cars > from Japan. Strange laws in Japan that were lobbied for by the car makers > make cars almost worthless there after about 3 years old (they have to be > almost dismantled into small pieces to make sure everything is safe etc) When my Dad lived in Japan most recently (1995), starting when a car was 3 years old, it needed an annual inspection that cost about $2000. He said it was a real scam, because although the cars were supposed to be largely dismantled and reassembled, most of them were not even touched. This program was one reason the Japanese auto industry was so healthy. From bens Tue Feb 26 01:08:04 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1Q684916212 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 01:08:04 -0500 Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 01:08:04 -0500 Message-Id: <200202260608.g1Q684u16208@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Keith Shukait To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #673 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Jason and All, I can't make any promises but send me your resumes and be specific on what fields you want to work in. If you or I submit your resume without a requisition number assigned to it, it might get "lost". Feel free to call me at 408.425.3657 with any questions. Good luck, Keith > Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 15:59:25 -0500 > From: Jason Pipes > Subject: Re: Luck is with me today! > > Keith, > > Maybe with your luck you can help me get a job. My luck seems to have > hit > rock bottom! Seriously though, I just applied at Apple for a director [ 7 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Tue Feb 26 02:16:05 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1Q7G5216604 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 02:16:05 -0500 Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 02:16:04 -0500 Message-Id: <200202260716.g1Q7G4o16600@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Keith Shukait To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Recovery Gear Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org All, I'm looking to put a recovery gear kit together that both the 109 and the Disco can share. I'm in need of everything and want to see if anyone had extras for sale. I'll go buy new stuff but, wanted to save some cash on used stuff if possible. Let me know if you have something to sell. Cheers, Keith From bens Tue Feb 26 02:21:45 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1Q7LjX16640 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 02:21:45 -0500 Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 02:21:45 -0500 Message-Id: <200202260721.g1Q7Ljr16636@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Blair Peterson" To: "Mendo (E-mail)" Subject: Oshkosh HEMTT Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; ] [ 20 lines filtered. ] charset="iso-8859-1" Looks cool. Like the tires. Could tow all our trucks, but may have a bit o' trouble on that switchback near the bottom of Trail 21... From bens Tue Feb 26 02:23:43 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1Q7Nhk16654 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 02:23:43 -0500 Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 02:23:42 -0500 Message-Id: <200202260723.g1Q7NgR16650@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Eyekelly@aol.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Strange ad in Variety Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset="US-ASCII" ] [ 17 lines filtered. ] In Friday's Daily Variety (the daily newspaper for the entertainment biz), there's an advertisement for a 2000 Land Rover (TD5 diesel) Defender double cab, apparently the only one in North America. Just 20 test miles, the price includes delivery to the west coast. Just thought you'd like to know. Did I mention that the price is $79,000? Abe (the advertiser, who's area code is in Salt Lake City, by the way) offers other Defenders or will customise one for you with either the V8 gas or diesel engines. Wonder how he gets around the law............might be worth a call. Spending that much money, I'd hate to have it confiscated. Ian Kelly 1970 Series IIA 88" Los Angeles From bens Tue Feb 26 02:25:37 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1Q7PbJ16686 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 02:25:37 -0500 Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 02:25:37 -0500 Message-Id: <200202260725.g1Q7Pbn16682@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "mpatrykus" To: Subject: OshKosh Trucks Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org If you want to check out some impressive OshKosh trucks, go to any large airport's firehouse. The O-K crash rescue pumpers are a sight to behold, with their joystick operated foam cannons and imposing size. Seriously, check it out sometime. Airport firemen are often pretty bored, don't get many visitors, and they like to show off their stuff. For those of you who have kids it makes a great little field trip. Also, someone mentioned the lousy shutoff triggers on California gas pumps. I have that problem with my 109. The only pumps that will run without interruption for me are those that have only a rubber splashback shield; in other words, no fume collector "accordion" fitting. In my case the culprit is the mesh screen inside Fandango's filler neck- the gas foams against it and backs up. Modern pumps simply pump faster, I guess, and the CA style nozzles are very sensitive. I just pull the filler neck extension out or keep the nozzle just inside while holding the fume collector compressed with the other hand. If you do this, be careful not to get woozy! Mo Patrykus '66 109 Regular "Fandango" Los Angeles ---------------------------------------------------- Sign Up for NetZero Platinum Today Only $9.95 per month! http://my.netzero.net/s/signup?r=platinum&refcd=PT97 From bens Tue Feb 26 02:25:48 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1Q7Pmh16700 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 02:25:48 -0500 Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 02:25:48 -0500 Message-Id: <200202260725.g1Q7PmI16696@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kevin Kelly" To: "Mendo List" Subject: Re: James MAY's review of the New Range Rover Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Randy Katz wrote: >If you hate these postings I can be convinced to stop them: I liked the quote: "It is a combination of British design flair and German engineering excellence. Still, it could have been worse. It could have been the other way round." Kevin From bens Tue Feb 26 02:31:56 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1Q7VuK16736 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 02:31:56 -0500 Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 02:31:56 -0500 Message-Id: <200202260731.g1Q7VuI16732@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: OshKosh Trucks Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org When I was younger and living in rural southeastern Wisconsin, I recall getting enough snow to cover the first level of houses in certain areas. Such circumstances called for huge orange Oshkosh snow plows to come out, and MAN were they huge. The snow plows on them alone were as tall as the first floor. It was amazing. And if you really want to imagine something big, imagine what it looked like when one actually got stuck outsite our house and another had to come and help get it out. A real sight to see for an 8 year old kid. Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 From bens Tue Feb 26 03:25:58 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1Q8PwC16993 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 03:25:58 -0500 Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 03:25:58 -0500 Message-Id: <200202260825.g1Q8PwT16989@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Peter M Hope" To: Subject: Re: Strange ad in Variety Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org There was something similar on LRX in the past couple months. Was very interested, after talking to the guy for awhile I found out that the vehicle is registered as a 1962. Not saying this is the same guy or anything. Pete > In Friday's Daily Variety (the daily newspaper for the entertainment biz), > there's an advertisement for a 2000 Land Rover (TD5 diesel) Defender double > cab, apparently the only one in North America. Just 20 test miles, the price > includes delivery to the west coast. Just thought you'd like to know. > Did I mention that the price is $79,000? Abe (the advertiser, who's area code > is in Salt Lake City, by the way) offers other Defenders or will customise > one > for you with either the V8 gas or diesel engines. Wonder how he gets around > the law............might be worth a call. Spending that much money, I'd hate From bens Tue Feb 26 05:05:58 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1QA5wK17486 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 05:05:58 -0500 Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 05:05:57 -0500 Message-Id: <200202261005.g1QA5vg17482@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "G. Mugele" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Oshkosh HEMTT Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Looks cool. Like the tires. Could tow all our trucks, but may have a bit >o' trouble on that switchback near the bottom of Trail 21... Only if Mugele is driving.... From bens Tue Feb 26 10:21:43 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1QFLhk18978 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 10:21:43 -0500 Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 10:21:43 -0500 Message-Id: <200202261521.g1QFLh518974@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re:fuel filler Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi Mo, I took my filler screen out years ago. Might put it in for a desert trip, but it is a pain to have it in there. Takes forever to fill. I even took it out of my series one 30 years ago. Bob B At 11:25 PM 2/25/2002, you wrote: >Also, someone mentioned the lousy shutoff triggers on California gas pumps. >I have that problem with my 109. >In my case the culprit is the mesh screen inside >Fandango's filler neck- the gas foams against it and backs up. Modern pumps >Mo Patrykus From bens Tue Feb 26 12:34:59 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1QHYxT19730 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 12:34:59 -0500 Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 12:34:59 -0500 Message-Id: <200202261734.g1QHYxn19726@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: " mendo rec list" Subject: Re: Recovery Gear Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >I'm looking to put a recovery gear kit together that both the 109 and >the Disco can share. I'm in need of everything and want to see if >anyone had extras for sale. I'll go buy new stuff but, wanted to save >some cash on used stuff if possible. Let me know if you have something >to sell. You might consider only getting new ropes or nylon straps. I broke my 6 inch wide nylon strap during the New Year's majove trip on a jerk that was way way under it's rating. It strap looked fine before hand but it was nearly 20 years old and had been put away wet most times it came out for use. Rule No 1 take care of your gear...oops TeriAnn Wakeman If you send me direct mail, please Santa Cruz, California start the subject line with TW - twakeman@cruzers.com I will be sure to read the message http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 From bens Tue Feb 26 14:50:05 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1QJo5c20563 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 14:50:05 -0500 Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 14:50:05 -0500 Message-Id: <200202261950.g1QJo5F20559@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Scott Hayes" To: Subject: Willits-ft brag mud run Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org All there are pics up of the mud run at www.discoweb.org Have a look..it was a kick! Scott H From bens Tue Feb 26 15:28:11 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1QKSBB20749 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 15:28:11 -0500 Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 15:28:11 -0500 Message-Id: <200202262028.g1QKSBo20745@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Peter Ogilvie" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Recovery Gear Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I don't know what force you'd have to generate to break a 6" strap but it should be a whole lot more than you could get with a Rover. I've broken el cheapo, foreign made straps at, what should have been, well below their breaking strength. To put it politely, if its made in China or other places in the far east, don't trust it. Good kinetic straps aren't cheap, they are price less. I'd advise sticking with American made equipment. As far as putting away wet, shouldn't be a problem with Nylon. Nylon isn't affected by mildew, water, etc.What will effect the strength of nylon, besides UV, is mud and grit that gets embedded in the line. It acts like miniature cutting disks and serious reduces strength of the internal fibers. An attempt should be made to clean off a rope after use. Of course its the grit that's worked its way into the rope, and probably can't be easily removed, that causes the problem. One reason why straps should be superior to rope for recovery. Aloha Peter Ogilvie >From: TeriAnn Wakeman >Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >To: " mendo rec list" >Subject: Re: Recovery Gear >Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 12:34:59 -0500 > > >I'm looking to put a recovery gear kit together that both the 109 and > >the Disco can share. I'm in need of everything and want to see if > >anyone had extras for sale. I'll go buy new stuff but, wanted to save [ 21 additional quoted lines pruned. ] _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From bens Tue Feb 26 16:02:00 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1QL20d20946 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 16:02:00 -0500 Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 16:01:59 -0500 Message-Id: <200202262101.g1QL1xM20942@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Isaac Fain To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Recovery Gear Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Keith - My .025 cents is that recovery gear is the worst possible area to cheap out on. Finding inexpensive stuff is great. But be careful with used equipment - remember that during that sticky recovery scenario you're preparing for, you're life is depending on it. if you're in the bay area, like seattle you'll find you have a great thing going for you: commercial fishing and shipping industry supply stores. Stay away from the 4x4 places and dig around in bulk industrial or some of the larger commercial fishing supply stores. If you're down to earth and tell them what you're trying to do, you'll pick up a fair amount of info about rigging in general, as well. Having said that, I found 3/4" d-shackles for $4.95 a piece, and clevis hooks were about $8 for the same mfr that usally fetches $15 and $20 from the 4x stores. I also found 8K Maasdam Tiger jacks (sometimes mistakenly called a Jack-All, which is a Canadian company) for $55. Being kind of a safety freak, and after alot of research and talking to commercial fisherman, I chose to go with Amsteel rope over chain (http://www.samsonrope.com/catalogs/pdf/M&ICAT.PDF). 50ft of 3/8" (14,100 avg. strength) rope with 2 marine grade, and professionally rigged eye-hooks came out to be roughly $100. The rope w/ eye's weighs about 3lbs, floats, and packs down really well. As a comparison, G70 transport grade chain has a safe working load limit of 6,600lbs, and a breaking strength of 2x or 3x WLL depending on mfr. The cheapest I could find G70 was about $2.50/ft. The amsteel was about $1.20/ft, and weighs 3.6lbs/100ft. (50ft of chain is about 70lbs) The biggest advantage to me is that Amsteel doesn't store energy as it loads up; if it or something else in your recovery-line fails it will simply fall to the ground. the "Masterpull" rope you see in the 4x4 stores is made also by Samson, the same company that makes Amsteel (formerly known as Spectra). take care, isaac fain seattle, wa '91 RR "Gatsby" --- Keith Shukait wrote: > > All, > > I'm looking to put a recovery gear kit together that both the 109 and > the Disco can share. I'm in need of everything and want to see if > anyone had extras for sale. I'll go buy new stuff but, wanted to save > some cash on used stuff if possible. Let me know if you have something > to sell. > [ 4 additional quoted lines pruned. ] __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com From bens Tue Feb 26 19:04:37 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1R04bq21889 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 19:04:37 -0500 Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 19:04:37 -0500 Message-Id: <200202270004.g1R04b221885@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: " mendo rec list" Subject: Re: Recovery Gear Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >I don't know what force you'd have to generate to break a 6" strap but it >should be a whole lot more than you could get with a Rover. I was towing a canvas top 109. Some slack got in the line and when it was taken out...snap. The strap was US made. >As far as putting away wet, shouldn't be a problem with Nylon. I didn't think so either but it want with a minimal jerk and during previous years performed under heavy stress situations. 6 inch wide straps make great tree straps. Mine was 20 feet long. TeriAnn Wakeman If you send me direct mail, please Santa Cruz, California start the subject line with TW - twakeman@cruzers.com I will be sure to read the message http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 From bens Tue Feb 26 19:27:36 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1R0RaF22030 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 19:27:36 -0500 Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 19:27:35 -0500 Message-Id: <200202270027.g1R0RZE22026@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Peter Ogilvie" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Recovery Gear Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Sounds like you'd stressed the strap beyond its limits on a previous use and it picked this time to break. The BritPac website looks great and is a big improvement over the old one, TeriAnn. Still got that misguided, uninformed, Barbara Streisand analysis of Parabolic springs, however. Aloha Peter O. >From: TeriAnn Wakeman >Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >To: " mendo rec list" >Subject: Re: Recovery Gear >Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 19:04:37 -0500 > > >I don't know what force you'd have to generate to break a 6" strap but it > >should be a whole lot more than you could get with a Rover. > [ 20 additional quoted lines pruned. ] _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From bens Tue Feb 26 19:38:53 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1R0crT22082 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 19:38:53 -0500 Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 19:38:53 -0500 Message-Id: <200202270038.g1R0crI22078@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Recovery Gear Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org TeriAnn, did the streap break? ...or did the stitching give out? If it was just the stitching, you can have it repaired and at least use it as a tree strap. Paul --- TeriAnn Wakeman wrote: > > >I don't know what force you'd have to generate to break > a 6" strap but it > >should be a whole lot more than you could get with a > Rover. > > I was towing a canvas top 109. Some slack got in the > line and when it > was taken out...snap. [ 25 additional quoted lines pruned. ] __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Greetings - Send FREE e-cards for every occasion! http://greetings.yahoo.com From bens Tue Feb 26 19:49:43 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1R0nhe22142 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 19:49:43 -0500 Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 19:49:42 -0500 Message-Id: <200202270049.g1R0ng322138@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Recovery Gear Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "....6 inch wide straps make great tree straps....." Be a little careful. Tree straps (anchor straps) have some kind of non-stretching core material woven into them. The regular recovery straps are made to stretch and store energy to aid in the recovery. You don't want your tree strap to stretch and store energy as it will whip like a winch line if it breaks. The non-stretching one is much safer. If you must use a recovery strap as an anchor strap, you can help yourself by winding it around the anchor many times and then using a shackle....Okay, I can see I can't explain this well enough without a picture....Sorry.... :^) -Dave G. From bens Tue Feb 26 20:04:28 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1R14Ss22216 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 20:04:28 -0500 Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 20:04:28 -0500 Message-Id: <200202270104.g1R14Sw22212@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: " mendo rec list" Subject: Re: Recovery Gear Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >The BritPac website looks great and is a big improvement over the old one, >TeriAnn. Still got that misguided, uninformed, Barbara Streisand analysis >of Parabolic springs, however. The wording for that section was done by the Owner, Steve. I'm not allowed to tweak Steve's wording, font size, type style or colours. If it were my wording I would be bringing up dynamic centres of gravity and lateral torsion characteristics of leaves spaced apart vs a bunch of leaves in solid contact. "Tipy canoe and parabolics too" Actually I would just put up ordering info and not deal with handling characteristics. It would sell more product than explaining why parabolics may not be the best choice for all kinds of driving. And of course my Barbara Streisand computer analysis would be something like: "On a clear disk you can seek forever" Geesh! give this girl a birthday and she gets totally wierded out. TeriAnn Wakeman If you send me direct mail, please Santa Cruz, California start the subject line with TW - twakeman@cruzers.com I will be sure to read the message http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 From bens Tue Feb 26 20:11:52 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1R1BqK22269 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 20:11:52 -0500 Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 20:11:47 -0500 Message-Id: <200202270111.g1R1Blf22265@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: " mendo rec list" Subject: Re: Recovery Gear Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > >TeriAnn, >did the streap break? >...or did the stitching give out? There was a third ring about a 1/4 way from an end. The strap separated at the intermediate ring stitching. It went into the nearest trash bin at a local camp ground. TeriAnn Wakeman If you send me direct mail, please Santa Cruz, California start the subject line with TW - twakeman@cruzers.com I will be sure to read the message http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 From bens Tue Feb 26 20:15:06 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1R1F6c22290 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 20:15:06 -0500 Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 20:15:01 -0500 Message-Id: <200202270115.g1R1F1D22286@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: " mendo rec list" Subject: RE: Recovery Gear Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > >"....6 inch wide straps make great tree straps....." > >Be a little careful. Tree straps (anchor straps) have some kind of >non-stretching core material woven into them. The regular recovery straps >are made to stretch and store energy to aid in the recovery. I bought the strap at a truck supply company. It was for strapping loads into place. TeriAnn Wakeman If you send me direct mail, please Santa Cruz, California start the subject line with TW - twakeman@cruzers.com I will be sure to read the message http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 From bens Tue Feb 26 23:29:18 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1R4TID23317 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 23:29:18 -0500 Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 23:29:17 -0500 Message-Id: <200202270429.g1R4THI23313@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Russ Wilson To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Recovery Gear Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > >I'm looking to put a recovery gear kit together that both the 109 and >>the Disco can share. I'm in need of everything and want to see if >>anyone had extras for sale. I'll go buy new stuff but, wanted to save >>some cash on used stuff if possible. Let me know if you have something >>to sell. Same rules for recovery gear as with climbing/rescue gear. NEVER buy used, because you never know how the gear was used/abused. It could mean your life. > I broke my 6 >inch wide nylon strap during the New Year's majove trip on a jerk Tea, come on now.... Mo is a goof, but he's not a Jerk. Mo.... you listening? Did you even offer to buy or help to buy your savior a new strap for pulling you out of the river? > >It strap looked fine before hand but it was nearly 20 years old and had >been put away wet most times it came out for use. Rode hard and put away wet.... never a good plan. 20yrs of use is quite impressive though. Go to any climbing store and ask them for a "rope care" sheet. Any care tips that will work for a climbing rope would be good for a recovery strap. Wash with mild soap and water Don't put it in the dryer... Don't hang to dry in direct sunlight store out of the sun if possible. Don't put into storage until dry Don't step on it as any dirt or grit will just get ground into the threads of the rope/strap Happy winching.... RW -- From bens Wed Feb 27 00:30:54 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1R5UsP24623 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 00:30:54 -0500 Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 00:30:54 -0500 Message-Id: <200202270530.g1R5Usr24619@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Russ Wilson To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: TeA's Birthday? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > >Geesh! give this girl a birthday and she gets totally wierded out. -- You were weird before your birthday... Happy Birthday To Ya Anyway!! p.s the BP website does look pretty darn good. Cheers RW From bens Wed Feb 27 02:59:56 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1R7xu725372 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 02:59:56 -0500 Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 02:59:55 -0500 Message-Id: <200202270759.g1R7xta25368@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "charles chuan-chen phu" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Importing LR from UK question Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi folks, Having been thinking about the possibility of importing a LR vehicle from UK to California. I understand that it must be over 25 years old. I am wondering how much I would need to pay for all the taxes and registration. Also, any difficulty of getting inspection in California? Thanks. charles _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From bens Wed Feb 27 04:28:00 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1R9S0O25820 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 04:28:00 -0500 Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 04:28:00 -0500 Message-Id: <200202270928.g1R9S0F25816@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Shane Ballensky To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Importing LR from UK question Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org At 02:59 AM 2/27/02 -0500, you wrote: >Hi folks, > >Having been thinking about the possibility of importing a LR vehicle from UK >to California. I understand that it must be over 25 years old. I am >wondering how much I would need to pay for all the taxes and registration. >Also, any difficulty of getting inspection in California? Thanks. I can't address the difficulty of inspection in way of smog laws because I purposely imported a vehicle that was 1973 or older to avoid having to deal with having to meet CA smog for whatever year. You do want to tell the customs agent that the vehicle is a passenger vehicle as there are hefty taxes on trucks. I imported a 101 and the customs agent kind of helped me along. I'm not sure if a pickup is a passenger vehicle and don't recall the specifics just that the tax rate is like 2.5% for passenger and 25% for trucks. After the customs deal(I recommend you call the customs agent that you will be dealing with) you will have to take the vehicle to the DMV to have it inspected pretty much the same as registering any car. Same with the fees. Shane From bens Wed Feb 27 04:36:43 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1R9ahU25877 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 04:36:43 -0500 Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 04:36:43 -0500 Message-Id: <200202270936.g1R9ahf25873@minbar.fourfold.org> From: John Young To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: OshKosh Trucks Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Jason mentioned: > first floor. It was amazing. And if you really want to imagine something > big, imagine what it looked like when one actually got stuck outsite our > house and another had to come and help get it out. A real sight to see for > an 8 year old kid. Yeah, when something like a bulldozer or tank gets stuck, it's always cool to see what monster comes creeping over the hill with a 50,000lb winch to drag it out. From bens Wed Feb 27 10:28:01 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1RFS1F27615 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 10:28:01 -0500 Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 10:28:01 -0500 Message-Id: <200202271528.g1RFS1427611@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kevin Kelly" To: "Mendo List" Subject: Recovery Gear Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Keith wrote: >I'm looking to put a recovery gear kit together that >both the 109 and the Disco can share. I've got a big canvas duffle bag with all my recovery gear, since you never know when you will need it I carry it around all the time. >I'm in need of everything and want to see if >anyone had extras for sale. I'll go buy new stuff >but, wanted to save some cash on used stuff if >possible. Most gear wears out so you will want to buy new. You can find decent quality (but inexpensive) Keeper brand recovery straps at most auto parts stores. Bigger stores like Auto Parts Club and Wal-Marts in rural areas will have the straps at even lower prices and have a bigger selection of sizes. I've bought most of my recovery gear at Carpenter Rigging in San Francisco. They have real nice stuff like Crosby shackles and can sell you high quality chain and grab hooks to make your own choker chain. Kevin Kelly From bens Wed Feb 27 10:51:56 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1RFpuw27773 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 10:51:56 -0500 Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 10:51:56 -0500 Message-Id: <200202271551.g1RFpu827769@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: diesel parts for sale Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hey! for you diesel owners out there, here's some stuff for bids. Bob B Now on Ebay, check it out, http://cgi6.ebay.com/ebaymotors/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewListedItems&userid=julesandmax From bens Wed Feb 27 11:03:12 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1RG3Cr27828 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 11:03:12 -0500 Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 11:03:11 -0500 Message-Id: <200202271603.g1RG3Bi27824@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Freeman, Ben" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #674 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Well I have two replies to this... 1.) Well anything can be imported if you have enough money. 2.) For the common man using an older truck as a donar is truely the best method for us common poor folk. Happy Rovering.. Benjamin Freeman From bens Wed Feb 27 11:26:07 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1RGQ7B27949 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 11:26:07 -0500 Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 11:26:06 -0500 Message-Id: <200202271626.g1RGQ6X27945@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Freeman, Ben" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Rope Recovery- Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Well here is my .02 cents.. My grandparients owned a Marine Supply store & commercial fish net manufacturing plant an twine mill for nearly 48 years then I got it in '98 however it was more of a white-elephant by that time. But we had many long standing accounts going back to the 50's with many of the rope manufacture's direct. As a youngester I remember watching semi-truck loads of rope being unloaded. My point now is about Sampson Rope interestingly enough I actually know some of the exec's there. Now I cancelled my account with them in '99 as the grandfathered account actually cost more than if I bought the same rope from another distributor. It was a corp way of weeding out the original Mom and Pop companies still around who helped put there name out there but no longer bought the huge quantities that they wanted out there everyday. Basically I was supposed to buy semi truck loads all the time. Hum, I think I deceded that buying a Land Rover was more worth while. That and selling parts too. :-) So my point is that there rope is very good and Spectra and the newer Plasma rope is pretty kewl stuff I used to get 30' samples all the time and I used it for my self and gave it away to friends. What can I say about a rope 1/4" in diameter that could be used to throw a whole truck physically around like a toy. An once your up to 1" dialmeter 114,000 breaking streignth. Corse at $20.00 a foot it's not for the meet of heart. But yes there are less expensive versions made up of many differant strand types on a day like to day it's too bad I gave away all the brochere's I used to have. One last note in '96 I spoke with Sampson about a line of high streigth vehicle recovery ropes with the eye holes the reply was due to the insurance liability they weren't openly interested and didn't want to know that I was doing it. Which I did for a few friends. Even today I know how to make complex eye holes and nifty tricks with high end rope that and some pretty useless skills with fishing nets. Oh well that's life.. Ok so I gave .25 cents orth..lol Happy Rovering.. Benjamin Freeman From bens Wed Feb 27 11:58:29 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1RGwTA28104 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 11:58:29 -0500 Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 11:58:29 -0500 Message-Id: <200202271658.g1RGwT128100@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Freeman, Ben" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Importing- Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Well another question I can answer- This is a 2 part task- 1.) Importing into the US- A.) Find the Series LR you like common prices in the UK for a decent one will run you 3,000 GBP or more. I wouldn't pay less myself unless I really liked what I say. a.) It should be older than 25 years old (note: for CA residents a '73 or older is strongly suggested due to your very messed up emmissions). B.) Look for one that has been MOT'd recently and AA'd as well. (Why: because in England these are very strict guidelines that will tell you what the condition of the truck is an weather or not you should even bother buying this truck). Also note that rust on the frame is a serious problem. Actually there are other countries I'd suggest buying a LR from but I won't openly say which one's.:-) C.) Once bought and the owner writes you a bill of sale have it notarized as well jusrt a litttle safety measure. they don't have titles over there they have "registrations" you will need that. Make copies of everything and have them notarized too. Can't be too careful. Then heading home with your new toy. D.) Depending on were you live in the US. I would strongly suggest a shipper I have been useing. Very competent people. (Note: no personal items are allowed inside the vehicle besides anything lose will possibly get stolen anyway. So lock the gas lock the spare tyre, ect.) Feel free to contact me privately for any $ I don't mind telling you what it costs. E.) On you home port you'll first go to the shippers office with your waybill, and billing statement, yes it can be shipped freight collect. Nice feature... F.) They will tell you who all you need to see and what other fees you will have to pay. Of these US Customs is the rough spot. G.) US Customs- Here's is what you'll need to do before hand if the truck cost more than $2,000.00 US you'll have to pay a customs broker to do the customs work. But Legally you have the right to do your own they will not like it but they can't decline your "informal entry" Remeber that word customs agents hate it but it's the law. You will pay a duty of 2.5% plus filing fees. And your on your way two more stops though. H.) You'll have to pick up a port document again you'll have directions from your shipper. I.) Then to the dock to pick up your pride and joy. Sign a document there taking recieval of the goods. and there you jump in and useing the spare key you had with you. Yes ther should still be one in the truck when you dropped it off with the shipper. (Note: it's been suggested that bolting a chain to the truck so the key you leave with the truck during transit so it can't be used to unlock any of the other doors is a good idea. Esspecially since well documented auto parts can be stored in the back of the truck. (NOTE: I would strongly suggest making sure that these spares be secured so no one can remove them from the inside the truck, a good way is with a dog guard behind the drivers seat). Yes, there is thievery on the RO/RO ships. J.) Home with your pride and joy. Sooon as your home make sure everything is working well. An now with your registration in hand and bill of sale. You'll have to deal with DMV and reverything else depending upon CA rules sorry but here is were my knowledge ends..I'm not a CA resident. But note I did mention about the '73 issue. But check with others who have brought in LR from other states or even europe. They will help you lots. Any questions...lol Happy Rovering.. Ben From bens Wed Feb 27 12:11:01 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1RHB1o28201 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 12:11:01 -0500 Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 12:11:01 -0500 Message-Id: <200202271711.g1RHB1C28197@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Peter M Hope" To: Subject: Re: OshKosh Trucks Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > Yeah, when something like a bulldozer or tank gets stuck, > it's always cool to see what monster comes creeping over the > hill with a 50,000lb winch to drag it out. > Very cool 'trucks' Army has been using them for over 20 years now. Cargo haulers to recovery vehicles to fuel tankers. At one of my duty stations the hvy truck commander allowed his drivers to spend money and install stereos in their rigs. Imagine 2-3k worth of kicker speakers and amps in the cab of one of these things. We were doing an exercise near the 1k zone (back when there were 2 germanies) pulled up to a refueling sight in this small clearing overlooking the border to be greated by 2 guys in full combat gear bepopping to Ozzy :-) Pete From bens Wed Feb 27 12:42:07 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1RHg7W28372 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 12:42:07 -0500 Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 12:42:06 -0500 Message-Id: <200202271742.g1RHg6J28368@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Stenwick" To: Subject: Re: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #674 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Speaking of recovery equipment, you might also try boat and yacht supply stores. They have almost every type of shackle and hook imaginable. I use 5000 lb. test braided kevlar line I got when I sailed. If I double it up (I have 75 feet) that is 10,000 lbs. I also read something on the internet a couple of days ago written by a guy who does a lot of off road work. He carries an 18 lb Danforth boat anchor because there is often nothing but dirt or sand to attach a winch or line to. The Danforth anchor is good for sand, but a Bruce anchor is better. They dig deeper, the harder you pull on them. Bill Stenwick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mendo_Recce digest:" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 12:00 AM Subject: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #674 > > Mendo_Recce digest: Wednesday, February 27 2002 Volume 02 : Number 674 > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 00:34:23 -0500 > From: James Howard > Subject: Re: Regarding the costs of vehicles in NZ [ 5 additional quoted lines pruned. ] makers > > make cars almost worthless there after about 3 years old (they have to be > > almost dismantled into small pieces to make sure everything is safe etc) > > When my Dad lived in Japan most recently (1995), starting when a car was 3 > years old, it needed an annual inspection that cost about $2000. He said > it was a real scam, because although the cars were supposed to be largely > dismantled and reassembled, most of them were not even touched. > > This program was one reason the Japanese auto industry was so healthy. > [ 74 additional quoted lines pruned. ] double > cab, apparently the only one in North America. Just 20 test miles, the price > includes delivery to the west coast. Just thought you'd like to know. > Did I mention that the price is $79,000? Abe (the advertiser, who's area code > is in Salt Lake City, by the way) offers other Defenders or will customise > one > for you with either the V8 gas or diesel engines. Wonder how he gets around > the law............might be worth a call. Spending that much money, I'd hate > to have it confiscated. > > Ian Kelly > > 1970 Series IIA 88" > Los Angeles > > ------------------------------ > [ 14 additional quoted lines pruned. ] pumps. > I have that problem with > my 109. The only pumps that will run without interruption for me are those > that have only a rubber splashback > shield; in other words, no fume collector "accordion" fitting. In my case > the culprit is the mesh screen inside > Fandango's filler neck- the gas foams against it and backs up. Modern pumps > simply pump faster, I guess, > and the CA style nozzles are very sensitive. I just pull the filler neck > extension out or keep the nozzle just inside > while holding the fume collector compressed with the other hand. If you do > this, be careful not to get woozy! > > Mo Patrykus > '66 109 Regular "Fandango" > Los Angeles [ 54 additional quoted lines pruned. ] vehicle > is registered as a 1962. > Not saying this is the same guy or anything. > Pete > > > In Friday's Daily Variety (the daily newspaper for the entertainment biz), > > there's an advertisement for a 2000 Land Rover (TD5 diesel) Defender > double > > cab, apparently the only one in North America. Just 20 test miles, the > price > > includes delivery to the west coast. Just thought you'd like to know. > > Did I mention that the price is $79,000? Abe (the advertiser, who's area > code > > is in Salt Lake City, by the way) offers other Defenders or will customise > > one > > for you with either the V8 gas or diesel engines. Wonder how he gets > around > > the law............might be worth a call. Spending that much money, I'd > hate > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 05:05:57 -0500 [ 17 additional quoted lines pruned. ] it > out of my series one 30 years ago. > > Bob B > > At 11:25 PM 2/25/2002, you wrote: > >Also, someone mentioned the lousy shutoff triggers on California gas pumps. > >I have that problem with my 109. > >In my case the culprit is the mesh screen inside > >Fandango's filler neck- the gas foams against it and backs up. Modern pumps > >Mo Patrykus > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 12:34:59 -0500 > From: TeriAnn Wakeman > Subject: Re: Recovery Gear > > >I'm looking to put a recovery gear kit together that both the 109 and [ 44 additional quoted lines pruned. ] el > cheapo, foreign made straps at, what should have been, well below their > breaking strength. To put it politely, if its made in China or other places > in the far east, don't trust it. Good kinetic straps aren't cheap, they are > price less. I'd advise sticking with American made equipment. > > As far as putting away wet, shouldn't be a problem with Nylon. Nylon isn't > affected by mildew, water, etc.What will effect the strength of nylon, > besides UV, is mud and grit that gets embedded in the line. It acts like > miniature cutting disks and serious reduces strength of the internal fibers. > An attempt should be made to clean off a rope after use. Of course its > the grit that's worked its way into the rope, and probably can't be easily > removed, that causes the problem. One reason why straps should be superior > to rope for recovery. > > Aloha > Peter Ogilvie > > > >From: TeriAnn Wakeman > >Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > >To: " mendo rec list" [ 11 additional quoted lines pruned. ] http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 16:01:59 -0500 > From: Isaac Fain > Subject: Re: Recovery Gear > > Keith - My .025 cents is that recovery gear is the worst possible area to cheap > out on. Finding inexpensive stuff is great. But be careful with used equipment > - - remember that during that sticky recovery scenario you're preparing for, > you're life is depending on it. > > if you're in the bay area, like seattle you'll find you have a great thing > going for you: commercial fishing and shipping industry supply stores. Stay > away from the 4x4 places and dig around in bulk industrial or some of the > larger commercial fishing supply stores. If you're down to earth and tell them > what you're trying to do, you'll pick up a fair amount of info about rigging in > general, as well. > > Having said that, I found 3/4" d-shackles for $4.95 a piece, and clevis hooks > were about $8 for the same mfr that usally fetches $15 and $20 from the 4x > stores. I also found 8K Maasdam Tiger jacks (sometimes mistakenly called a > Jack-All, which is a Canadian company) for $55. > > Being kind of a safety freak, and after alot of research and talking to > commercial fisherman, I chose to go with Amsteel rope over chain > (http://www.samsonrope.com/catalogs/pdf/M&ICAT.PDF). 50ft of 3/8" (14,100 avg. > strength) rope with 2 marine grade, and professionally rigged eye-hooks came > out to be roughly $100. The rope w/ eye's weighs about 3lbs, floats, and > packs down really well. > > As a comparison, G70 transport grade chain has a safe working load limit of > 6,600lbs, and a breaking strength of 2x or 3x WLL depending on mfr. The > cheapest I could find G70 was about $2.50/ft. The amsteel was about $1.20/ft, > and weighs 3.6lbs/100ft. (50ft of chain is about 70lbs) The biggest advantage > to me is that Amsteel doesn't store energy as it loads up; if it or something > else in your recovery-line fails it will simply fall to the ground. > > the "Masterpull" rope you see in the 4x4 stores is made also by Samson, the > same company that makes Amsteel (formerly known as Spectra). > > take care, > > isaac fain > seattle, wa > '91 RR "Gatsby" > > [ 54 additional quoted lines pruned. ] and > it picked this time to break. > > The BritPac website looks great and is a big improvement over the old one, > TeriAnn. Still got that misguided, uninformed, Barbara Streisand analysis > of Parabolic springs, however. > > Aloha > Peter O. > [ 8 additional quoted lines pruned. ] it > > >should be a whole lot more than you could get with a Rover. > > > [ 20 additional quoted lines pruned. ] > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 19:38:53 -0500 > From: Paul Archibald > Subject: Re: Recovery Gear > > TeriAnn, > did the streap break? [ 38 additional quoted lines pruned. ] want > your tree strap to stretch and store energy as it will whip like a winch > line if it breaks. The non-stretching one is much safer. If you must use a > recovery strap as an anchor strap, you can help yourself by winding it > around the anchor many times and then using a shackle....Okay, I can see I > can't explain this well enough without a picture....Sorry.... :^) > > - -Dave G. > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 20:04:28 -0500 [ 4 additional quoted lines pruned. ] one, > >TeriAnn. Still got that misguided, uninformed, Barbara Streisand analysis > >of Parabolic springs, however. > > The wording for that section was done by the Owner, Steve. I'm not > allowed to tweak Steve's wording, font size, type style or colours. > > If it were my wording I would be bringing up dynamic centres of gravity > and lateral torsion characteristics of leaves spaced apart vs a bunch of > leaves in solid contact. "Tipy canoe and parabolics too" > [ 56 additional quoted lines pruned. ] straps > >are made to stretch and store energy to aid in the recovery. > > I bought the strap at a truck supply company. It was for strapping > loads into place. > > TeriAnn Wakeman If you send me direct mail, please > Santa Cruz, California start the subject line with TW - > twakeman@cruzers.com I will be sure to read the message > [ 79 additional quoted lines pruned. ] UK > to California. I understand that it must be over 25 years old. I am > wondering how much I would need to pay for all the taxes and registration. > Also, any difficulty of getting inspection in California? Thanks. > > charles > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx [ 6 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Wed Feb 27 12:43:03 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1RHh3i28386 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 12:43:03 -0500 Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 12:43:03 -0500 Message-Id: <200202271743.g1RHh3O28382@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Blair Peterson" To: "Mendo (E-mail)" Subject: Trail 21 switchback (was Oshkosh) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; ] [ 32 lines filtered. ] charset="iso-8859-1" >Looks cool. Like the tires. Could tow all our trucks, but may have a bit >o' trouble on that switchback near the bottom of Trail 21... Only if Mugele is driving.... ....and Peterson is spotting! Cheers. From bens Wed Feb 27 13:26:43 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1RIQhs28601 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 13:26:43 -0500 Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 13:26:41 -0500 Message-Id: <200202271826.g1RIQfi28597@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gerry Elam" To: azlro@stat.com, mendo_recce@fourfold.org Cc: jps@mighty.co.za Subject: dreams and a fallen LRO.... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org All of us dream of driving around the world in our Land Rovers. Some of us have even done it and we all wish we could have joined them. There are parts of the world that are obviously a dangerous place... that goes with out saying. Heck, there are parts of the US that are just as dangerous as any other part of the world. I'm on the South Africa LRO list usually lurking in the background. It was on the list that we learned of the murder of Alan Drodskie who was on an overland trip from South Africa to Libya and beyond. See the story at http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?click_id=87&art_id=ct20020224210019523D632536&set_id=1 There is a large effort in Europe and Africa to raise funds for the family. As the story mentions, the family's funds and accounts have been frozen and there's an immediate need for money. I'm off of the LRO for the time being and this may already be circulating there. Since I've not seen anything here, I'd like to ask you to consider making a donation to the family. Drop me a line directly... let me know what you can donate. Open your hearts to the family and help them in their time of need. I'll consolidate donations and forward them through another contact here in the US or depending on the amount, wire them directly to the bank in South Africa where an account has been established for this purpose. If you have any doubts as to the authenticity of the story, check the ZA-LRO archives at http://64.4.32.251/cgi-bin/linkrd?_lang=EN&lah=2a7c319ecdaa3e4f46ea64a6ca1f6046&lat=1014827734&hm___action=http%3a%2f%2fland%2drover%2eteam%2enet%2fmailman%2flistinfo%2fza%2dlro or drop me a line. Again, your support is greatly appreciated... send me a note and then send a donation for the family. Cheers, Gerry _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From bens Wed Feb 27 13:28:59 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1RISx028615 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 13:28:59 -0500 Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 13:28:59 -0500 Message-Id: <200202271828.g1RISxG28611@minbar.fourfold.org> From: CHRISBONIN@aol.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RR parts for sale. Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org List gets first grabs: Location: SF Items: Bonnet Cowlings (2ea) Parts not perfect....started to repair them but a freind of mine was able to get me new parts. I will have pictures by the end of the day. List gets first dibs and Make Me a Offfer.....you pick them up. Chris 88RR From bens Wed Feb 27 13:38:45 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1RIcjD28674 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 13:38:45 -0500 Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 13:38:45 -0500 Message-Id: <200202271838.g1RIcjM28670@minbar.fourfold.org> From: James Howard To: Mendo list Subject: Instrument cluster Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Anyone know where I can get an instrument cluster for a 90 or 91 RR? From bens Wed Feb 27 14:23:46 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1RJNkI28961 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 14:23:46 -0500 Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 14:23:46 -0500 Message-Id: <200202271923.g1RJNkP28957@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "mpatrykus" To: Subject: Tow strap Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Russ Wilson said: Mo.... you listening? Did you even offer to buy or help to buy your savior a new strap for pulling you out of the river? Actually, no. When it broke, TeriAnn did not seem too surprised and I believe she said something like, "well, twenty years is not bad I guess" or something to that effect. However, I suppose that offering to replace it is at least the polite thing to do. So, TeriAnn, I will be happy to talk about that if you like. I need to get my own, too, so let me know and maybe we can get them both at once... On another note, some of you on the Mojave run were talking about a Baja trip this spring. What's up with that? Mo ---------------------------------------------------- Sign Up for NetZero Platinum Today Only $9.95 per month! http://my.netzero.net/s/signup?r=platinum&refcd=PT97 From bens Wed Feb 27 18:19:09 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1RNJ9s30210 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 18:19:09 -0500 Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 18:19:08 -0500 Message-Id: <200202272319.g1RNJ8J30206@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "charles chuan-chen phu" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: Importing- Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org And do I need to be praticlly in UK to purchase the vehicle, register, do the shipping and customing if I have found the right vehicle already? charles _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From bens Wed Feb 27 19:15:51 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1S0FpY30511 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 19:15:51 -0500 Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 19:15:51 -0500 Message-Id: <200202280015.g1S0FpC30507@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "" To: Subject: Why not???????? 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Order your CopyDVD software RIGHT NOW and we will include Playstation 2 & Dreamcast Backup software AND complete, easy to use directions! Everything you need to make a working duplicate on a standard, blank CD-R! Use these as backups so your originals don't become worn with scratches or cracks. No more renting the same game you used to own, because now you can back up ANY game! You want to know more? Visit us at http://www.copydvd.net To be opt out please send an email to optout@webmasterdirect.org From bens Wed Feb 27 19:15:54 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1S0FsR30519 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 19:15:54 -0500 Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 19:15:54 -0500 Message-Id: <200202280015.g1S0Fss30515@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gerry Elam" To: azlro@stat.com, mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: dreams and a fallen LRO.... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Thanks to everyone who has chipped in so far...we're up to about $150. If you're still on the fence, please consider it. Drop me a line to K7LRO@msn.com if you need any more information. Keep 'em coming! Gerry >From: Johan Strümpfer >To: "Gerry Elam" >Subject: Re: dreams and a fallen LRO.... >Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 23:03:30 +0200 > >Garry >Thank you for your efforts. I have passed your email on to the family. > >Good luck with your travels. [ 2 additional quoted lines pruned. ] _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From bens Wed Feb 27 19:19:59 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1S0JxP30541 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 19:19:59 -0500 Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 19:19:59 -0500 Message-Id: <200202280019.g1S0JxJ30537@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gerry Elam" To: azlro@stat.com, mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: another note from the family.... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Needs no explantion... thanks. Gerry ----- Original Message ----- From: David & Annemarie Drodskie To: Johan Strumpfer Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 9:24 PM Subject: Many thanks to all Hi there Johan I am Alan's brother and I feel so overwhelmed for the response of all the people, especially the the Land Rover club. Please know that our whole family is very grateful for all the efforts, contributions and condolences of each and everyone. My heart go out for Corrie and her two children and they are constantly in our prayers. One cannot even imagine the ordeal that she and the children had faced and still has to go through. We have visited them on Sunday at the farm near Bronkhorstspruit and she is just holding up. She has also said that she is very grateful for all the contributions, support and help. It is unbelievable how everybody is keen to help or to assist in any way that they can. Alan would have been very proud for belonging to the "Land Rover family" I haven't followed all the e-mail messages completely for the reason that my heart is still very broken up with the loss of my brother. But once again thanks to all for helping and sending e-mails. Alan was very, very proud for being a Land Rover owner and has truly lived for the adventure of driving his Land Rover. I have on many times driven with him in his Land Rover and I was amazed to see all the drivers of Land Rovers flashing lights and greeting each other.He has told me on many occasions that owning a Land Rover is like a culture. His dream was to work in Lybia and on a later stage he wanted to tour Europe, Asia and many other places.I truly believe in my heart that the last two months before his tragic death was the happiest of his life. If possible please forward this letter to anyone as you think best. I don't know if everyone is aware of the memorial service that will be held for Alan at 10:30 on Friday the 01st of March at the Full Gospel Church on the c/o Stasie road and van Bakenroad in Pretoria north. Once again thanks to all the help and support in this tragic loss of a very special person and brother Best Regards David Drodskie _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From bens Wed Feb 27 22:41:50 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1S3fo531520 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 22:41:50 -0500 Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 22:41:50 -0500 Message-Id: <200202280341.g1S3foQ31516@minbar.fourfold.org> From: joe mulqueen To: mendo Subject: missing teen Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I read in today's SF Chronicle that a girl returning by bus from Sac up to Crescent City disappeared along 101. She was last seen in Willits at a Greyhound stop but was discovered missing when her bags arrived at her destination without her. Hope it's not as bad as it sounds. I enjoyed the brief time spent there a few weeks back during the mud run. JoeM __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Greetings - Send FREE e-cards for every occasion! http://greetings.yahoo.com From bens Thu Feb 28 01:27:48 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1S6Rmo00949 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 01:27:48 -0500 Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 01:27:47 -0500 Message-Id: <200202280627.g1S6Rlv00945@minbar.fourfold.org> From: joe mulqueen To: mendo Subject: Series hand throttle Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I finally sourced a used hand throttle assy (with all the rods) for my Series IIA. Does anyone know the correct color scheme for the "quadrant" (the ratchety assembly seen inside the cab)? Thanks, Joe Mulqueen '67 SIIA 109 SW __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Greetings - Send FREE e-cards for every occasion! http://greetings.yahoo.com From bens Thu Feb 28 01:31:50 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1S6Vo201002 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 01:31:50 -0500 Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 01:31:50 -0500 Message-Id: <200202280631.g1S6Voi00998@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Eric Wilcox To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: tires are like new shoes Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset="us-ascii" ] [ 30 lines filtered. ] Hey All: Anybody have definite opinions about the differences between these two models of the BFG MT's? bfg mt ta: http://www.tirerack.com/tires/bfg/bf_mud.jsp bfg mt km: http://www.tirerack.com/tires/bfg/bf_mud_km.jsp Thanks in advance - Eric Wilcox 1993 D110 NAS From bens Thu Feb 28 02:37:22 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1S7bML01299 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 02:37:22 -0500 Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 02:37:22 -0500 Message-Id: <200202280737.g1S7bMi01295@minbar.fourfold.org> From: john hess To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Series hand throttle Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I think mine is a flat black? It's old and faded. I think I have a NOS one in a box in the garage I can check. cheers, >I finally sourced a used hand throttle assy (with all >the rods) for my Series IIA. Does anyone know the >correct color scheme for the "quadrant" (the ratchety >assembly seen inside the cab)? >Thanks, >Joe Mulqueen >'67 SIIA 109 SW > >__________________________________________________ [ 3 additional quoted lines pruned. ] John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Land Rover Dormobile web pages: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby" 1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" 1999 Bianchi Milano, 2001 Bianchi Pista 2002 Meridian Attache Softride Tandem From bens Thu Feb 28 02:54:01 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1S7s1701384 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 02:54:01 -0500 Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 02:54:01 -0500 Message-Id: <200202280754.g1S7s1t01380@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: tires are like new shoes Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Eric, The BFG MT T/A are the "older" style MTs and the BFG MT T/A KMs are their latest version of the MTs. The KMs were recently released if I am not mistaken. I have the older style MTs on the 110 and they have performed flawlessly and have taken some serious slices into the sidewalls as well. Another aspect unique to us 110s is that, unless you've changed your rims, you'll want to use tubes with these as well. We had to as the rims on the 110 are two piece riveted, not one piece molded. The tubes actually provide even more protection offroad though. The comment I would make about the KMs are that even though it is hard to tell in the photo on the site, they are in my opinion less attractive. The sidewalls are partly taken up by the extra "diggerlugz" as they call them. That's totally an opinion though and is more likely than not an assinine thing to say anyway. Offroad tires aren't supposed to be about looks. But hey, you've got a great looking truck, why ruin it? One last suggestion, go with the proper thinner LR proportions for the tires whatever you choose, they look fantastic on the 110 versus the wider ones many go for. We have 235/85/16s on the 110 and they look really great. Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 From bens Thu Feb 28 04:25:04 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1S9P4w01828 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 04:25:04 -0500 Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 04:25:04 -0500 Message-Id: <200202280925.g1S9P4i01824@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "G. Mugele" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Workshop Safety (No LR Content) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Check out the website for the Screwdriver Injury Research Institute. Would I kid about a thing as serious as this? http://www.banscrewdrivers.com/ Gerry From bens Thu Feb 28 11:45:09 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1SGj9a03909 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 11:45:09 -0500 Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 11:45:09 -0500 Message-Id: <200202281645.g1SGj9803905@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: " mendo rec list" Subject: Re: Series hand throttle Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > >I finally sourced a used hand throttle assy (with all >the rods) for my Series IIA. Does anyone know the >correct color scheme for the "quadrant" (the ratchety >assembly seen inside the cab)? The top part is black, the round rattchety part is unpainted. I can post a jpeg if you wish. TeriAnn Wakeman If you send me direct mail, please Santa Cruz, California start the subject line with TW - twakeman@cruzers.com I will be sure to read the message http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 From bens Thu Feb 28 11:46:09 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1SGk9t03940 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 11:46:09 -0500 Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 11:46:09 -0500 Message-Id: <200202281646.g1SGk9G03936@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Christopher Dow" To: Subject: RE: Workshop Safety (No LR Content) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 16 lines filtered. ] Wow. That reminded me of this: http://adequacy.org/?op=displaystory;sid=2001/12/2/42056/2147 [I've already contacted the Secret Service to turn Thelen in...] C From bens Thu Feb 28 12:10:51 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1SHApn04105 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 12:10:51 -0500 Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 12:10:51 -0500 Message-Id: <200202281710.g1SHApa04101@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Peter M Hope" To: Subject: Re: tires are like new shoes Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I am just adding to what Jason said. I had a chance to go wheeling with someone who had the new KMs. I am running the older style MT on my 3900lb series 88. Tires are 33x12.50r15. Other guy was running 33x10.50r15 KMs on a 109 with the same approx weight as my 88. This was in the snow. I had to chain up to get up a hill, he didn't. I really like the new style. I like the sidewall lugs. If I don't end up with 35" swampers I will probably stick with BFGs. Pete From bens Thu Feb 28 12:16:58 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1SHGw404140 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 12:16:58 -0500 Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 12:16:58 -0500 Message-Id: <200202281716.g1SHGw204136@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Peter M Hope" To: Subject: Re: Series hand throttle Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Joe, my front plate and the control lever are galvanized. The mounting bracket is black paint. The knob is black bakelite. The threaded rod and arm are rust colored ;-) Pete From bens Thu Feb 28 13:09:29 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1SI9Tc04426 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 13:09:29 -0500 Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 13:09:29 -0500 Message-Id: <200202281809.g1SI9TU04422@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Polla Slade" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: tires are like new shoes Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Eric, I'm not a BFG expert, but I have two of the different types of MT's that were made. On my S1 I have the old style, and also have a set of the new KM's. Initial impressions are that the KM's have softer sidelugs and sidewall lugs than the previous MT's rubber compound. That was always a gripe about the MT's, that the rubber was a little too hard. The new KM's have a softer compound for the shoulder, but the center lugs appear to be a bit harder. Again, I'm no expert, and I do not have a durometer to get a reading on the hardness. We just use the fingernail tap test. When I wear out the MT's on the S1 I'll get a set of the new KM's. The lug pattern on the KM's seems to be a bit more aggresive, with wider spaces between the tread blocks, hopefully to allow them to clean out a little better in the mud (otherwise, scrap the MT title right??). If you are looking for a really really good all around tire, look at the Dunlop Radial Rover R/T. It's similar to the Trac-Edge which we all know and love, but it is readily available, has good tread wear and excellent tread pattern. I have a set of these on each RR we have, and love them. I've wheeled them HARD, and have not been dissapointed in them. I am kind of bummed that BFG doesn't make a tire that is similar to the Dunlop. Maybe it's coming.... Michael _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From bens Thu Feb 28 16:05:37 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1SL5b405543 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 16:05:37 -0500 Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 16:05:37 -0500 Message-Id: <200202282105.g1SL5b105539@minbar.fourfold.org> From: joe mulqueen To: mendo Subject: Some ideas for a Baja run Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I could go on another Baja trip..I'm looking at my AAA Baja map right now! An interesting springtime journey I've taken before is to drive along the Sea of Cortez south of San Felipe. Felipe is approx 200 miles from San Diego. The terain there is extremely rugged and desolate, plus, where else out west can you see the sun or moon rise through clear skys over the ocean? A closer (100 miles from SD), inland, destination that could be fun is Laguna Hanson. It's located in the mountains surrounded by a Mexican national park, but between it and the paved road east of Tecate are miles and miles of rugged dirt trails. Another place further south (150 miles from SD) I've always wanted to visit is "Mike's Sky Ranch" and/or the neighboring observatory located at 10,000 elevation. Joe Mulqueen '67 SIIA 109 SW __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Greetings - Send FREE e-cards for every occasion! http://greetings.yahoo.com From bens Thu Feb 28 16:15:53 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1SLFrh05596 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 16:15:53 -0500 Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 16:15:52 -0500 Message-Id: <200202282115.g1SLFqE05592@minbar.fourfold.org> From: joe mulqueen To: mendo Subject: Re: Series hand throttle Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org NOS?? It took me several months to locate a used one... Yes, please take a look at it! JoeMulqueen SIIA Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 02:37:22 -0500 From: john hess Subject: .....I think I have a NOS one in a box in the garage I can check........ cheers, __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Greetings - Send FREE e-cards for every occasion! http://greetings.yahoo.com From bens Thu Feb 28 16:24:41 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1SLOfa05643 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 16:24:41 -0500 Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 16:24:40 -0500 Message-Id: <200202282124.g1SLOei05639@minbar.fourfold.org> From: joe mulqueen To: mendo Subject: Re: Series hand throttle Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Was/is there a rust preventing finish? Thanks, JoeM Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 11:45:09 -0500 From: TeriAnn Wakeman Subject: Re: Series hand throttle ......the round rattchety part is unpainted. I can post a jpeg if you wish. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Greetings - Send FREE e-cards for every occasion! http://greetings.yahoo.com From bens Thu Feb 28 16:51:17 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1SLpHK05817 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 16:51:17 -0500 Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 16:51:17 -0500 Message-Id: <200202282151.g1SLpHG05813@minbar.fourfold.org> From: joe mulqueen To: mendo Subject: re. BFG MT KM tires Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Other than the slightly built up "rim protector", I'm also a bit under impressed by the change to this tire. It's also curious that BFG is still selling the original tire. Regardless of appearance, those trademarked "Digger Lugz" are more like small buttons, and so closely spaced, they look like they'd soon clog. But then again, extra rubber near the edge of the shoulder should help fend off rock damage. For those wanting a streetable tire with more agressive shoulder lugs, take a look at the Goodyear MT/R. It has enough stuff on the sidewall to give a dog a headache! JoeMulqueen '67 SIIA 109 (will make tire decision in the next couple of weeks) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Greetings - Send FREE e-cards for every occasion! http://greetings.yahoo.com From bens Thu Feb 28 16:52:33 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1SLqXF05835 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 16:52:33 -0500 Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 16:52:33 -0500 Message-Id: <200202282152.g1SLqX105831@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: " mendo rec list" Subject: Re: Series hand throttle Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Galvanized I believe, along with the handle >Was/is there a rust preventing finish? >>......the round rattchety part is unpainted. TeriAnn Wakeman If you send me direct mail, please Santa Cruz, California start the subject line with TW - twakeman@cruzers.com I will be sure to read the message http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 From bens Thu Feb 28 18:23:07 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1SNN7O06316 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 18:23:07 -0500 Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 18:23:06 -0500 Message-Id: <200202282323.g1SNN6L06312@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Polla Slade" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: re. BFG MT KM tires Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I'm going to agree with Joe. Those Goodyear's are SUUUHWEEET. I know a guy running them on his 109 and they do awesome. Not too noisey, even in a 109. I didn't think they were too obnoxious when I drove it. I'd say the BFG's are a step below the Goodyears in terms of aggresiveness, and equal in streetability. BUT, wait for that Krawler tire baby, the MTR crowd will be chomping at the bit! If you want a set of them now you need to start looking for 17 inch rims though. ;) Michael >From: joe mulqueen >Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >To: mendo >Subject: re. BFG MT KM tires >Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 16:51:17 -0500 > >Other than the slightly built up "rim protector", I'm >also a bit under impressed by the change to this tire. > It's also curious that BFG is still selling the [ 17 additional quoted lines pruned. ] _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From bens Thu Feb 28 18:32:04 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1SNW4w06372 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 18:32:04 -0500 Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 18:32:03 -0500 Message-Id: <200202282332.g1SNW3u06368@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Eric Wilcox To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: BFG tires Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Jason: Thanks for the feedback. I had heard that you were really happy with them, that's why I settled in on the choice. And yes, I am going "tall 'n skinny". I am changing from "tall, bald 'n really, really skinny". BTW, were you able to get them w/out the white lettering? My source says they are not available and that I would simply have to black them out and turn them to the inside. I do want to see the KM's in person before I make a final decision. The rating on tirerack.com's scale looked more favorable for the KM's (who knows what that really means). bfg mt ta: http://www.tirerack.com/tires/bfg/bf_mud.jsp bfg mt ta km: http://www.tirerack.com/tires/bfg/bf_mud_km.jsp If anyone else has first hand knowledge about the KM's, let's hear it! Eric Wilcox 1993 D110 NAS > >Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 02:54:01 -0500 >From: Jason Pipes >Subject: Re: tires are like new shoes > >Eric, > >The BFG MT T/A are the "older" style MTs and the BFG MT T/A KMs are their >latest version of the MTs. The KMs were recently released if I am not [ 24 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Thu Feb 28 18:59:31 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1SNxVH06490 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 18:59:31 -0500 Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 18:59:31 -0500 Message-Id: <200202282359.g1SNxVG06486@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: " mendo rec list" Subject: LR job oppertunity Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I've been chatting with some people and have an interesting opportunity Is there anyone out there working on LR coilers who would like to do it professionally in the bay area? All the catch words apply, like dynamic go getter, attention to details, high quality work, etc. I may have some people wanting to establish a small chain of LR service companies focusing primarily on Discoverys but doing all Land Rovers and possibly new Mercedes G-wagons. What they need are go getter committed mechanics who want more than just a salery. The things I learn from reading my e-mail If there as anyone interested in becoming a principle mechanic with a real stake in a LR service company, e-mail me off line. TeriAnn Wakeman If you send me direct mail, please Santa Cruz, California start the subject line with TW - twakeman@cruzers.com I will be sure to read the message http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 From bens Thu Feb 28 21:47:57 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g212lvr07299 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 21:47:57 -0500 Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 21:47:56 -0500 Message-Id: <200203010247.g212luV07295@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jeff Rogers To: Mendo Recce List Subject: Re: re. BFG MT KM tires Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I agree that the Goodyear is a superior tire - especially on the rocks. On the NCRC Moab trip our guide was running the Goodyear's and I was running the BFG's. He crawled down steep rocky obstacles no problem while those of us with BFG's white-knuckled it - tires squealing on the rocks even under the lightest braking. I just bought a new set of 15x8 steel rims yesterday and I have been pricing the Goodyear MT/R's this afternoon. My local tire shop wants $300+/ea., but tirerack.com is only asking 156.00/ea. My issue is finding the right size. ...and I need a little advice. I'm buying a larger tire this time (no comments please) - I'm going with 35's. Goodyear's website recommends a 15x10 rim for a 35x12.5x15. I know a number of people running this size tire on an 8" rim, but both roveraccessories.com and the tire shops strongly urge me not to go this route - some won't even install them. Anybody have experience with these dimensions? Rick Larson? -->Jeff on 2/28/02 3:23 PM, Polla Slade at pollaslade@hotmail.com wrote: > > > I'm going to agree with Joe. Those Goodyear's are SUUUHWEEET. I know a guy > running them on his 109 and they do awesome. > > Not too noisey, even in a 109. I didn't think they were too obnoxious when > I drove it. > > I'd say the BFG's are a step below the Goodyears in terms of aggresiveness, [ 25 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Thu Feb 28 21:56:40 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g212ueI07352 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 21:56:40 -0500 Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 21:56:40 -0500 Message-Id: <200203010256.g212ueX07348@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Bruce R. Bonar" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: re. BFG MT KM tires Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Jeff Rogers wrote: > I just bought a new set of 15x8 steel rims yesterday and I have been pricing > the Goodyear MT/R's this afternoon. What did you get for rims, and where did you get them? > My issue is finding the right size. ... > Goodyear's website recommends a 15x10 rim for a 35x12.5x15. I know a number > of people running this size tire on an 8" rim, Although I've never run that big a tire, I've routinely used a rim one size smaller than recommended with no problem. I'm using 7x16's with the 33x11.5 (metric version) SSR's on Spot. Bruce From bens Thu Feb 28 21:58:13 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g212wDm07366 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 21:58:13 -0500 Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 21:58:13 -0500 Message-Id: <200203010258.g212wDH07362@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Bruce R. Bonar" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #674 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Stenwick wrote: > The Danforth anchor is good for sand, but a Bruce anchor > is better. They dig deeper, the harder you pull on them. Sounds right to me. :-) BB From bens Thu Feb 28 22:11:07 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g213B7Y07440 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 22:11:07 -0500 Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 22:11:07 -0500 Message-Id: <200203010311.g213B7R07436@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gerry Elam" To: azlro@stat.com, mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: one mo' note Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org OK ..... I hate begging for money and I hate being asked time and time again so this is the last time you'll hear about this from me. Thanks for your patience. I know I'm pushing the limits. (And for a $5 donation, I’ll go away….. I’m joking!!!) I also posted a note on the Yahoo Groups VDE list to solicit funds for Alan's family. Very interesting list BTW but low on traffic. Anyway, here's one response to that note. This guy just lost his job and is still donating a $100. I sent him a note to encourage him to make sure he meets his needs first and donate what he could after that. (I'm not on the 101 list so you won't see a note there from me.) Still, it's good to get these notes. I'll give it a permanent rest and not bother you guys anymore. Contact me if you've got a few bucks to spare and I'll give you my address. ANY amount is appreciated! Thanks! Gerry >From : "M. S. Clarke" To : k7lro@msn.com, derek-jan@africa-expedition.org Subject : Drodskie Help Fund Date : Thu, 28 Feb 2002 11:09:54 -0500 Gerry, I usually lurk in the background of the 101 and vde lists at Yahoo. Dreams aside I feel for the family, this is so tragic and unnecessary. I recently lost my job but you can count me in. I will try to deposit $100 CAD tomorrow in the account given by Derek-Jan: Account Name : Drodskie Help Fund First National Bank, Bronkhorstspruit, RSA Branch code 270350 Account no 620 318 42108 I'll contact you directly by email if I am unable to do so. I hope this helps. Have you tried the 101 list at 101@yahoogroups.com? Some of them also belong to the vde list. Regards, Marco _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From bens Thu Feb 28 22:26:38 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g213Qcw07517 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 22:26:38 -0500 Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 22:26:38 -0500 Message-Id: <200203010326.g213Qc007513@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gerry Elam" To: azlro@stat.com, mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Free parabolic springs... yes, there's a catch. Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Was looking at ebay for LR stuff and noticed that Wise Owl is giving away a pair of parabolic springs. Yes, there is a catch but you'll have to look at ebay to see it. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/aw-cgi/ebayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1809092907&r=0&t=0 Cheers, Gerry PHX AZ _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From bens Thu Feb 28 22:43:03 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g213h3R07601 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 22:43:03 -0500 Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 22:43:03 -0500 Message-Id: <200203010343.g213h3m07597@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jeff Rogers To: Mendo Recce List Subject: Re: re. BFG MT KM tires Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I bought the Rover Accessories black steel rims, 15x8 with a 4.25 backspacing. They were on my short list and I have been talking to Rover Accessories for a few days about them ...and then some guy stopped me in the parking lot at work and offered to sell me a set of the very same rims for $100. What a score! Too good to pass up. Thanks Bruce. on 2/28/02 6:56 PM, Bruce R. Bonar at brbonar@value.net wrote: > > > > Jeff Rogers wrote: > >> I just bought a new set of 15x8 steel rims yesterday and I have been pricing >> the Goodyear MT/R's this afternoon. > > What did you get for rims, and where did you get them? [ 12 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Thu Feb 28 22:51:14 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g213pEl07661 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 22:51:14 -0500 Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 22:51:13 -0500 Message-Id: <200203010351.g213pDI07657@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Bruce R. Bonar" To: "mendo_recce@fourfold.org" Subject: NCRC volunteers help Blue Ribbon Colition reach agreement with USFS Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org OK, I'm exaggerating a little. Interesting newsrelease from BRC, especially in light of lawsuit filed by CBD etc against Eldorado NF. Of special interest in this release are comments by Don Amador about the rehabilitation effort in the Mendocino NF. Thanks again to the many NCRC volunteers who helped plant trees and rehab after the fire. Bruce Bonar Northern California Rover Club Public Affairs Officer BLUE RIBBON COALITION, INC. NEWS RELEASE FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Contact: Adena Cook, Public Lands Director Phone:208-524-3062 Fax: 208-524-2836 E-mail: February 25, 2002 IDAHO FALLS, ID ? The United States Forest Service and the BlueRibbon Coalition, a national recreational access advocacy group, recently signed a memorandum of understanding (MOU) pledging cooperation between the agency and the organization. This historic document acknowledges the need to actively promote public-private partnerships that encourage responsible use of public lands. Both groups pledged mutually work toward these goals. BlueRibbon and the agency agreed to promote partnerships with local rangers, BlueRibbon members, and member organizations for on-the-ground trail and facility improvements and projects as well as educational and user ethics programs. BlueRibbon and the Forest Service also pledged to identify and pursue funding opportunities outside federal appropriations to improve facilities and trails. Adena Cook, BlueRibbon Coalition Public Lands Director said, "BlueRibbon and our member organizations generally have had this kind of cooperative relationship with the Forest Service for many years. Mutually, we have supported the kind of volunteerism that this MOU enables. This document makes it formal. It is a top-to-bottom commitment to work together for the benefit of recreation and the resource. "Our members and member organizations can approach their local ranger with the assurance that the entire agency supports their willingness to volunteer. Similarly, the local ranger should be able to count on them for help. It is our hope that this MOU stimulates an interest in partnerships at the local level everywhere, as well as identify new funding opportunities. We appreciate the Forest Service's willingness to work on this document and its willingness to promote its principles." Don Amador, the Coalition's western representative, said, "I think this MOU will help support and encourage many volunteer restoration projects such as the recent tree planting on the Mendocino National Forest in Northern California. The effort to rehabilitate several of the multiple-use campgrounds and staging areas at Fouts Springs that were destroyed by the Trough Fire in the summer of 2001 is a good example of the type of Project this MOU will stimulate on National Forests throughout the country. ### To view the final Memorandum of Understanding between the Forest Service and the BlueRibbon Coalition, go to: http://www.sharetrails.org/releases/media/index.cfm?story=100 The Blue Ribbon Coalition is a national non-profit recreation group that champions responsible multiple-use access to public lands. It represents over 1000 businesses and organizations with 600,000 members. ________ See attached photo. High-res version available (brmag@sharetrails.org). CAPTION: (Left to right) Dick Paterson, Washington D.C. Forest Service office; Jim Miller, Acting Director, Forest Service Recreation; and Adena cook, BlueRibbon Coalition Public Lands Director. From bens Thu Feb 28 23:04:54 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g2144s907723 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 23:04:54 -0500 Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 23:04:54 -0500 Message-Id: <200203010404.g2144sc07719@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jeff Rogers To: Mendo Recce List Subject: Re: NCRC volunteers help Blue Ribbon Colition reach agreement Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org FYI... Eric Cope is pictured along with the other volunteers in the new BRC newsletter. I can send anyone who's interested a PDF of the article. -->Jeff on 2/28/02 7:51 PM, Bruce R. Bonar at brbonar@value.net wrote: > > OK, I'm exaggerating a little. > > Interesting newsrelease from BRC, especially in light of lawsuit filed > by CBD etc against Eldorado NF. Of special interest in this release are > comments by Don Amador about the rehabilitation effort in the Mendocino > NF. Thanks again to the many NCRC volunteers who helped plant trees and > rehab after the fire. > [ 95 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Thu Feb 28 23:25:47 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g214Plj07840 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 23:25:47 -0500 Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 23:25:47 -0500 Message-Id: <200203010425.g214Plu07836@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Peter M Hope" To: Subject: Re: re. BFG MT KM tires Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > BUT, wait for that Krawler tire baby, the MTR > crowd will be chomping at the bit! > > If you want a set of them now you need to start looking for 17 inch rims > though. ;) And a suspension lift. I read 37r17 krawlers. Pete From bens Thu Feb 28 23:26:32 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g214QWL07854 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 23:26:32 -0500 Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 23:26:31 -0500 Message-Id: <200203010426.g214QV107850@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Shane Ballensky To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: 8" rims for 12.5 tire was Re: re. BFG MT KM tires Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org At 09:47 PM 2/28/02 -0500, you wrote: >I just bought a new set of 15x8 steel rims yesterday and I have been pricing >the Goodyear MT/R's this afternoon. My local tire shop wants $300+/ea., but >tirerack.com is only asking 156.00/ea. > >My issue is finding the right size. ...and I need a little advice. I'm >buying a larger tire this time (no comments please) - I'm going with 35's. >Goodyear's website recommends a 15x10 rim for a 35x12.5x15. I know a number >of people running this size tire on an 8" rim, but both roveraccessories.com >and the tire shops strongly urge me not to go this route - some won't even [ 1 additional quoted lines pruned. ] I know that the now-no-more company desertrover use to sell 15x10 steelies. His D90 and one other are the only rovers I've seen or heard of in the US with wider than 8" rims and 12.50 wide tires. Everyone that I know of is running 8" rims with 35x12.50's. If you ask the j**p crowd most everyone recommends 8's also. And for the record I have run 35x12.50 BFG mud t/a and Super swamper SSR's on 8" rims Shane From bens Thu Feb 28 23:49:43 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g214nhh07984 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 23:49:43 -0500 Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 23:49:43 -0500 Message-Id: <200203010449.g214nho07980@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Rover Accessories distributer in NorCal Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Just wanted to let everyone know that I found a local shop that is the NorCal authorized Rover Accessories dealer/distributer. I stopped at the British Car Company in Corte Madera this afternoon and talked with the owner for awhile. He told me they have everything Rover Accessories sells, as well as all Hannibal Racks, roof top tents, etc. I believe a number of people have gone down to LA to get stuff this stuff, well, you don't have to anymore as this place has everything LA has. They also have a 2001 D110 Td5 for sale with 5,000 miles on the clock, asking 60,000 for it. I was very tempted to trade them my NAS for it, but think I shouldn't. Their D110 was built by hand at their shop for a local internet CEO who later sold it back when he went broke. Now the owner is selling it again to finance the build of a new D130 crew cab. They also had a 95 D90 soft top, a few SII 88s, a SIII 109, and are in the process of building another D110, this time a Td3. About 6 E-type Jags as well. Overall I was VERY impressed with the owner, Robert Dills, and their entire operation. I'll be going to them for parts in the future as they can get them direct and cheaper than anyone else locally, so they said. I was also impressed by the very friendly attitude of everyone. Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500
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