From bens Mon Jul 1 00:01:26 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6141Qn16660 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 00:01:26 -0400 Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 00:01:26 -0400 Message-Id: <200207010401.g6141Qa16656@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Peter Hope" To: Subject: Re: low mileage 110 on ebay Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I wonder if they lowered the reserve. This is the second time I have seen this one listed....in the photos it looks like it is in great condition. Pete > Just saw this 110 on ebay with only 37,000 miles one it. Seems to be a clean one. From bens Mon Jul 1 01:49:06 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g615n6V18198 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 01:49:06 -0400 Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 01:49:05 -0400 Message-Id: <200207010549.g615n5T18194@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Tom Walsh" To: Subject: Re: Interesting bits in Four Wheeler Magazine Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Time to head out to Barnes and Noble again ! TomW ----- Original Message ----- From: "Franklin H. Yap" To: Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2002 2:07 PM Subject: Re: Interesting bits in Four Wheeler Magazine > > Hey Granny, > > Thanks for the note. I also rec my copy a couple days ago and had only > seen 2 of the 6 articles you mentioned. So, I just went back to take a > look! > > Frank > [ 13 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Mon Jul 1 02:03:53 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6163rn18266 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 02:03:53 -0400 Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 02:03:52 -0400 Message-Id: <200207010603.g6163qq18262@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "charles chuan-chen phu" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: low mileage 110 on ebay Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org This one seems to be pretty clean. How much does any of you think a D110 like this with 37k miles would be? Charles > >I wonder if they lowered the reserve. This is the second time I have seen >this one listed....in the photos it looks like it is in great condition. >Pete > > > Just saw this 110 on ebay with only 37,000 miles one it. Seems to be a >clean one. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From bens Mon Jul 1 02:26:18 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g616QIu18374 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 02:26:18 -0400 Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 02:26:18 -0400 Message-Id: <200207010626.g616QIw18370@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Turner, Jon [LFS]" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: low mileage 110 on ebay Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; ] [ 28 lines filtered. ] This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. charset="iso-8859-1" It seems clean, but I have to admit to being pretty suspicious about a 110 coming from the NorthEast. It does look really nice in the pictures! Must have been garaged it's whole life! Jon Jon Turner '01 RR 4.6 HSE '93 NAS 110 412/500 From bens Mon Jul 1 02:59:54 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g616xsP18496 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 02:59:54 -0400 Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 02:59:53 -0400 Message-Id: <200207010659.g616xrZ18492@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: low mileage 110 on ebay Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Our 110 had 42,000 miles on the clock but we got it for much less than is generally found. Generally, lower mileage trucks demand higher asking prices although in the end it always is a matter of what the buyer is willing to pay and the seller is willing to take. I have never seen or heard of a NAS 110 going for less than 30k regardless of the miles or condition, unless it was totalled. I have also only seen one NAS 110 actually sell on ebay, all the others never reach the reserve bid. Many people use ebay to drum up interest in their truck and later complete a sale offline. I would suggest that the factors that affect price most with 110s are, in order: 1. Mileage (under 30k, 30k-60k 60k-90k, 90k-120k, 120k-above) 2. Condition (rust/no rust, paint, dents, interior, poor modifications, etc) 3. Mechanics (engine maint, frequent overall maint, recent maint, etc) 4. Add-ons (aux lights, winch, sliders, or lack thereof, etc) Interestingly, the first one (mileage) generally directs the others. A low mileage truck will often be in great condition with good mechnics! Add-ons can add to or subtract from a trucks value, it depends on what you're looking for and how well the add-ons where done. Hope this helps, Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 From bens Mon Jul 1 10:01:53 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g61E1rF20431 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 10:01:53 -0400 Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 10:01:53 -0400 Message-Id: <200207011401.g61E1rU20427@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Need protection Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I beat the hell out of the Desert Rover ones I had on the '98 Disco, and they held up great with only scratched paint. I don't think they're available anymore, but here are some features to look for. 1- MANY mounting points. All the Disco sliders I've seen are body mounted, replacing the lower valence panel. Use ALL of those holes, and drill more if needed. This is one modification I made to the DR sliders when I put them on. I think I had 9 3/8 bolts per side holding them on, vs the stock design of 5 x 5/16. Along with #1 goes a mounting plate that extends the full length of both the front and rear door sills, notched for the B pillar. NO TABS. 2- Skid plate extending inward about 4" to protect the body lip. The body can be bent if hit from underneath at this point. That plate had some pretty big gouges in it when I traded the truck. 3- Use of 1/4" steel tubing for the slider and skid plate, 3/16 for the mounting plate. The sliders I had weighed over 60 lbs apiece. I have seen sliders from $G made of lighter steel that were bent like pretzels the first time they were "used" for real. Just my opinion, but I think these elements make for "the best". When you're looking for protection, the cheapest is hardly ever worth it. If you want to have an excuse to take a trip to Colorado, Matt Peterson at http://www.rockware.net makes some very high quality components. You might give him a ring. -Dave G. From bens Mon Jul 1 10:10:52 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g61EAqf20528 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 10:10:52 -0400 Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 10:10:52 -0400 Message-Id: <200207011410.g61EAqi20524@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: J**P vs RR Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "....I cannot imagine what they had to do to find trouble with this track..." Wheelbase can be a funny thing. I've seen Jeeps turned back in places where a nearly stock Dodge powerwagon rolled right up for instance. Of course, having a clue and a lighter foot also helps a lot. :^) But we can all take the lesson that treading lightly doesn't happen automatically, no matter what kind of vehicle you use. Leaving no trace happens first in the mind, and I know it's usually on yours. Say hi to Mrs. and the crew. -Dave G. From bens Mon Jul 1 10:12:04 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g61EC4r20543 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 10:12:04 -0400 Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 10:12:04 -0400 Message-Id: <200207011412.g61EC4L20539@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Peter Hope" To: Subject: Re: low mileage 110 on ebay Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > I have never seen or heard of a NAS > 110 going for less than 30k regardless of the miles or condition, unless it > was totalled. Prices have really dropped in the past year. There are a bunch of 110 in the Seattle area, I have seen 5 of them so far. I am really falling for these things the more time I spend around them. I was talking with some people and mentioned that Chico 110. I thought the first time it listed at 37 was a good price. But was adviced not to touch it because it had 120k on the odemeter. The second time it listed it went for 32. In the past month 3 NAS 110s got listed. The one from the dealer in Mass, it got to 40 but didn't meet the reserve so they relisted. The one in Chico and it sold. And then one in Utah, didn't make reserve. I know of another high milage 110 that was told was sold for 30k. I would bet that in the next 5 years we will see the price for 110's with over 100k selling for 20-25. Pete From bens Mon Jul 1 10:12:47 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g61EClp20562 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 10:12:47 -0400 Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 10:12:47 -0400 Message-Id: <200207011412.g61EClG20558@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: New Warn Winches? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "....an LED display on the remote to let you know when you are overheating the winch motor....." Do you think those stick-on thermometers or the more industrial adhesive temp indicators would be a good substitute? Sounds like a neat idea, but I'm not in favor of the added electrickery. -Dave G. From bens Mon Jul 1 10:16:31 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g61EGV520638 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 10:16:31 -0400 Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 10:16:31 -0400 Message-Id: <200207011416.g61EGVC20634@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: New Warn Winches? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "....the worm drives the wheel but the wheel cannot drive the worm...." This is not true, at least of the Huskys. Well, not quite. But they are on the borderline. I have been "warned" :^( that if you winch out with the Husky, at the end of the winch-out you have to winch back in a little to get the winch to stop, otherwise the winch motor CAN be back-driven by the drum, turning it into a pretty powerful generator and possibly causing damage to your electrical system. I don't own one of the Huskys, but this was related to me by a UK friend who'd seen it happen to a buddy's 110. -Dave G. From bens Mon Jul 1 10:19:11 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g61EJBK20691 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 10:19:11 -0400 Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 10:19:11 -0400 Message-Id: <200207011419.g61EJBS20687@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Interesting bits in Four Wheeler Magazine Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "....It's ... a very serious tire..." Good thing. If there's one thing I can't stand, it's a generally irreverent tire.... -Dave G. From bens Mon Jul 1 10:39:49 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g61EdnW21151 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 10:39:49 -0400 Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 10:39:49 -0400 Message-Id: <200207011439.g61Ednd21147@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: Split gas tank Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org As luck would have it, on the day I take Cheryl's '92 Rangie in to have the AC converted to R134 and charged, I fill it up with gas before dropping it off and the mechanic calls me back an hour later saying there's a 2 foot puddle of gas under the truck! This is Dave, at Dave's European in Denver. I've known him awhile, but this AC job is the first time I had something I felt I'd rather let him tackle than mess with myself. He's an honest guy, drives a '90 Rangie himself, and the mechanic who was actually doing the work on my truck also drives a '92 Rangie. These are good things to me. Remember him if you're traveling in the area and need help. Anyway, Dave said that splitting of the plastic tanks in the later classics is not as uncommon as it should be, and that he had to replace his for the same problem last year. I had the opportunity to inspect the truck on the lift and all I could tell is that it's a leak from somewhere high on the tank, above the beltline seam. I decided to have him replace the tank, in spite of the astronomical price, just to be done with it and not further inconvenience the folks who were carting me around while the truck is in the shop. Dave said he'd let me know if it turned out to be something else, but thought it was probably split. Has anyone else had this problem? It's not something I'd heard of before. -Dave G. From bens Mon Jul 1 11:28:35 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g61FSZE21635 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 11:28:35 -0400 Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 11:28:35 -0400 Message-Id: <200207011528.g61FSZb21631@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Split gas tank Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Dave, I've heard rumors of it happening, but I've never seen it. However, this is one of the reasons I opted for the '89...I just didn't like the idea of having a plastic fuel tank in a vehicle that I may take over rocks - which I just did this past weekend. Charles On Mon, 1 Jul 2002 10:39:49 -0400 "Gomes, David" writes: > > As luck would have it, on the day I take Cheryl's '92 Rangie in to > have the > AC converted to R134 and charged, I fill it up with gas before > dropping it > off and the mechanic calls me back an hour later saying there's a 2 > foot > puddle of gas under the truck! > [ 34 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Mon Jul 1 11:41:34 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g61FfYH21705 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 11:41:34 -0400 Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 11:41:34 -0400 Message-Id: <200207011541.g61FfYj21701@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: low mileage 110 on ebay Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Your info backs up what I was saying so far. Even high mileage 110s are still going for more than 30k. In time, I have no doubt at all that they will drop in price as the milage gets higher and the years longer, but thinking that a truck could demand 20-25k when it was 15+ years old with over 100,000 miles on the clock is a very dramatic statement. Whatever the case, the lower the miles the higher the asking price, or at least the higher the value. I myself would also never consider a truck with over 100,000 miles on the truck, the value equation would simply not be worth it. jpipes > >Prices have really dropped in the past year. There are a bunch of 110 in >the Seattle area, I have seen 5 of them so far. I am really falling for >these things the more time I spend around them. >I was talking with some people and mentioned that Chico 110. I thought the >first time it listed at 37 was a good price. But was adviced not to touch >it because it had 120k on the odemeter. The second time it listed it went >for 32. In the past month 3 NAS 110s got listed. The one from the dealer >in Mass, it got to 40 but didn't meet the reserve so they relisted. The one [ 7 additional quoted lines pruned. ] -- Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 From bens Mon Jul 1 12:12:13 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g61GCDJ21831 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 12:12:13 -0400 Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 12:12:13 -0400 Message-Id: <200207011612.g61GCDg21827@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Split gas tank Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "...I just didn't like the idea of having a plastic fuel tank..." Amen to that. Rocks or no rocks. Skid plates or no skid plates. I've spent enough of my life working with the automotive plastics industry. There was a ray of hope though! Cheryl drove the G to work on Saturday morning. When she got home she said, "I'd forgotten how much fun that truck is to drive. I'm usually just riding as a passenger, where it's just loud and kind of annoying. But it's a lot of fun to actually drive it." Who knows. Maybe one day we'll be a 2-G family. There's a 300 diesel soft top for sale in Oregon that I could make my truck and give her the LWB.... Hmm.... :^) -Dave G. From bens Mon Jul 1 13:04:51 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g61H4pP22098 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 13:04:51 -0400 Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 13:04:50 -0400 Message-Id: <200207011704.g61H4ow22094@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "spencer knight" To: Subject: RR 4.0 Removal Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi, I've started ripping the engine out of the 4.0 Range Rover. And I've hit one little stumbling block. I can't get the viscous fan off of the front of the engine. The book references a tool which I think holds the water pump pulley while you unbolt the wrench. Would, I think, be a three pronged thing that you insert into the three holes in the front of the pulley. Anybody have any idea where I might buy such a tool in the east bay? Thanks, Spencer From bens Mon Jul 1 13:12:45 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g61HCj522170 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 13:12:45 -0400 Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 13:12:44 -0400 Message-Id: <200207011712.g61HCif22166@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Thomas Joyner" To: "Mendo List" Subject: Question of size Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org All, I am still in the midst of constructing a set of sliders for my RR (two years and counting!). I am to the point where I will be putting in a set of jacking points. I will probably put the type where a jack-all with a tubular adapter fits into it. Can anyone with a set of sliders with this type of jacking point tell me what the ID is of the tube built into the slider? Or can anyone dissuade me from going this route altogether and consider something better? Tom 88 RR Durango PS The grandaddy of them all, the Tour De France will start with a prologue in Luxembourg this saturday the 6th of July. Live and tape coverage is on Outdoor Life Network throughout July (to the finale in Paris on the 28th). Watch Lance make history! From bens Mon Jul 1 13:37:01 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g61Hb1F22420 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 13:37:01 -0400 Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 13:37:01 -0400 Message-Id: <200207011737.g61Hb1s22416@minbar.fourfold.org> From: James Howard To: "mendo_recce@fourfold.org" Subject: Nice paint job Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I am putting my Series III up for sale, and so this weekend I decided to polish the paint on it. The original paint had a lot of oxidation on it. After going over it with polishing compound and then wax, all I can say is it looks great. There are spots where the paint has worn through, and the area under the gas filler has cracked paint, but for a 30 year old paint job it looks great. Now I have to work on the interior. Anyone have any SIII dash bits they want to sell? James From bens Mon Jul 1 14:16:43 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g61IGhv22653 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 14:16:43 -0400 Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 14:16:43 -0400 Message-Id: <200207011816.g61IGhM22649@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Shannon Holland To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: low mileage 110 on ebay Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Damn, sounds like they certainly have. I got mine for a good price at the time, but that was May 2000 so it was in the middle of Defender craziness. Really low mileage vehicles have always scared me. This truck is approaching 10 years old (probably is from when it was actually manufactured) and only has 37K miles? How many things haven't gone wrong yet, but will soon? It quite likely has the LT77 transmission in it (the gear shift lever looks to be in the way upper left, but it's hard to tell from the angles of the pictures) - something that would likely be needing to be replaced (I just put an R380 in mine - managed to get 120K miles out of it, so there might be a lot of life left). It's obviously spent a lot of time sitting, so what condition are seals, etc in? It's always seemed to me that around 70K miles is a great point to buy a defender. Enough miles to drop the price some and have many manufacturing defects fixed, but still young enough that you hopefully have a long ways to go before major expense. How many miles are people getting on their D90's now? We must have some pretty high mileage ones by now I would think (well and a few 110's as well!). I've heard that around 200K is about what you can expect for the 3.9 and R380, is this true? (I've also heard way lower reports for the 380 so who knows). Shannon On Monday, July 1, 2002, at 07:12 AM, Peter Hope wrote: > >> I have never seen or heard of a NAS >> 110 going for less than 30k regardless of the miles or condition, >> unless > it >> was totalled. > > Prices have really dropped in the past year. There are a bunch of 110 > in [ 20 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Mon Jul 1 14:24:32 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g61IOWm22759 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 14:24:32 -0400 Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 14:24:32 -0400 Message-Id: <200207011824.g61IOWT22755@minbar.fourfold.org> From: craig reece To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: RR 4.0 Removal Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Try calling Britallia - they're on San Pablo and about Allston Way in Berkeley - it's 548-0243. Craig spencer knight wrote: > Hi, > I've started ripping the engine out of the 4.0 Range Rover. And I've hit > one little stumbling block. I can't get the viscous fan off of the front of > the engine. The book references a tool which I think holds the water pump > pulley while you unbolt the wrench. Would, I think, be a three pronged > thing that you insert into the three holes in the front of the pulley. > Anybody have any idea where I might buy such a tool in the east bay? > Thanks, > Spencer From bens Mon Jul 1 14:31:06 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g61IV6q22831 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 14:31:06 -0400 Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 14:31:06 -0400 Message-Id: <200207011831.g61IV6X22827@minbar.fourfold.org> From: craig reece To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Question of size Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org The ID is 1", if you're using the $25 (or so) Hi-Lift adapter that Rockware sells. And I think it's a great thing - I've got them, and it eliminates any possibility of the jack kicking out if the truck moves. Let me amend that - if the truck moves *a lot*, the jack can still rotate. I'm going to have jacking sleeves installed in the rear crossmember as well. And Rockware puts them into their front bumpers as an option. Craig Thomas Joyner wrote: > All, > > I am still in the midst of constructing a set of sliders for my RR (two > years and counting!). I am to the point where I will be putting in a set of > jacking points. I will probably put the type where a jack-all with a tubular > adapter fits into it. Can anyone with a set of sliders with this type of > jacking point tell me what the ID is of the tube built into the slider? Or > can anyone dissuade me from going this route altogether and consider > something better? [ 9 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Mon Jul 1 15:18:52 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g61JIqS23314 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 15:18:52 -0400 Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 15:18:52 -0400 Message-Id: <200207011918.g61JIqv23310@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gerry Elam" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: RR 4.0 Removal Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Speaking as one who just took his coupler off recently, the most important factor is to make sure you're turning it in the right direction. I think someone here recommended that you wrench it in the same direction as the alternator. Not sure if that's a rule but it was true on mine. I originally based my direction on the new part which turned out to be the wrong part. I ended up removing the entire water pump which wasn't a bad thing considering that it was leaking around the gasket. I also tried to use strap wrenches, shop rags stuffed in several of the pullies, etc... none of which worked because I was only driving it on tighter. Live and learn. Good luck! Gerry PHX AZ >From: "spencer knight" >Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >To: >Subject: RR 4.0 Removal >Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 13:04:50 -0400 > >Hi, >I've started ripping the engine out of the 4.0 Range Rover. And I've hit >one little stumbling block. I can't get the viscous fan off of the front [ 8 additional quoted lines pruned. ] _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From bens Mon Jul 1 15:41:04 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g61Jf4m23510 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 15:41:04 -0400 Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 15:41:04 -0400 Message-Id: <200207011941.g61Jf4o23506@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Question of size Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "....Or can anyone dissuade me from going this route altogether and consider something better?...." When I had Rockware do the sliders on the G I asked about hi-lift points. Matt said, "Sure, I can put them in, but you know, I don't think they're really necessary. I get a lot of repeat business of people coming back to have a second, or a new truck done, and you know, I get a lot of people saying, Forget the Jack Points This Time, I Never Use Them, I don't think I've ever had anyone say, Man, Make Sure You Put The Jack Points In, They Really Saved My Butt!" On that basis, I had him leave them off. But if you want them, the tubular type are probably best as there's nothing protruding to hang up or get bent. -Dave G. From bens Mon Jul 1 15:45:06 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g61Jj6X23549 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 15:45:06 -0400 Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 15:45:06 -0400 Message-Id: <200207011945.g61Jj6E23545@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Peter Hope" To: Subject: Re: low mileage 110 on ebay Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >but > thinking that a truck could demand 20-25k when it was 15+ years old with > over 100,000 miles on the clock is a very dramatic statement. Jason, are you thinking that amount is too high or too low? Pete From bens Mon Jul 1 15:54:46 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g61Jskm23621 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 15:54:46 -0400 Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 15:54:46 -0400 Message-Id: <200207011954.g61JskM23617@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: low mileage 110 on ebay Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >but > thinking that a truck could demand 20-25k when it was 15+ years old with > over 100,000 miles on the clock is a very dramatic statement. And the key word is of course, demand. As in " Supply and...." Anyone crowing about a bargain $30,000, 15 yr old 110 would be laughed out of any pub in merry olde England, or most other places in the world, for that matter. -Dave G. From bens Mon Jul 1 17:20:13 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g61LKDu24303 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 17:20:13 -0400 Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 17:20:12 -0400 Message-Id: <200207012120.g61LKCD24299@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Julian Kwasneski To: Subject: Re: low mileage 110 on ebay Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Does anyone have any opinions about the other 110 on eBay? It's also posted here: http://www.RoverForSale.com/ On 7/1/02 12:54 PM, "Gomes, David" wrote: > >> but >> thinking that a truck could demand 20-25k when it was 15+ years old with >> over 100,000 miles on the clock is a very dramatic statement. > > And the key word is of course, demand. As in " Supply and...." Anyone > crowing about a bargain $30,000, 15 yr old 110 would be laughed out of any > pub in merry olde England, or most other places in the world, for that > matter. [ 2 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Mon Jul 1 17:55:48 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g61Ltmx24687 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 17:55:48 -0400 Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 17:55:48 -0400 Message-Id: <200207012155.g61LtmZ24683@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: low mileage 110 on ebay Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org The operative statement in the advertisement is: "....This vehicle is registered in New York State as a Series IIa 109 and it has a current inspection...." If it is indeed a 110, then it is an illegal import titled under false pretenses and as such, subject to seizure. Some people have more of a problem with this than others. To me, there are enough nice legal trucks around to not deal with a situation like this one. Just my opinion -Dave G. From bens Mon Jul 1 18:12:54 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g61MCsa24770 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 18:12:54 -0400 Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 18:12:53 -0400 Message-Id: <200207012212.g61MCrn24766@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Julian Kwasneski To: Subject: Re: low mileage 110 on ebay Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I caught that line too ... And I would definitely be the guy that has more of a problem with it than others. Sure looks nice though ... Might be even tougher in CA too ... although I would be converting it to a diesel so I could run biodiesel. On 7/1/02 2:55 PM, "Gomes, David" wrote: > > The operative statement in the advertisement is: > > "....This vehicle is registered in New York State as a Series IIa 109 and it > has a current inspection...." > > If it is indeed a 110, then it is an illegal import titled under false > pretenses and as such, subject to seizure. Some people have more of a > problem with this than others. To me, there are enough nice legal trucks [ 3 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Tue Jul 2 11:49:47 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g62FnlK32253 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 11:49:47 -0400 Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 11:49:46 -0400 Message-Id: <200207021549.g62Fnka32249@minbar.fourfold.org> From: BwanaE@aol.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: The upcoming Slickrock and Bluelakes trip Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset="US-ASCII" ] [ 28 lines filtered. ] The dates are July 13-14. The meeting place on Saturday morning at 0900 is Hwy. 4 at the Utica Reservoir turnoff (7 miles past Cottage Springs and before Bear Valley). We will run Slickrock trail first which takes about 3 hours, then a quick lunch at Lake Alpine followed by a 45 minute scenic highway drive to the Blue Lakes trailhead which is located at Hermit Valley campground. We will proceed as far as possible Saturday afternoon, probably camping near the river in order to rinse off trail dust. Sunday morning will be about 3 hours trail driving to reach Hwy.88 where a big left turn takes everybody back towards Jackson and points west. Slickrock is rated easy, occasional moderate. Blue Lakes is steady moderate. Some crawling over big granite rocks in places but little chance of sheet metal damage if you watch your spotter. The club has taken brand new, stock trucks through many times in past years without too much drama. Grippy tires help as the soil is loose silt. Plan on getting dusty and dirty. Vehicles must pass the standard NCRC safety inspection...the biggest items are proper front and rear recovery points, and a good parking brake. Brigid and I would like to extend an invitation to all Blue Lakes attendees to drop by our place in Angels Camp on Friday evening prior to Saturday's run. We're about 45 minutes downhill from the Hwy 4 and Utica Res. meeting place so we'll plan on leading a gaggle from our house around 0800 Saturday. Come on by anytime Friday for BBQ, a dip in the pool or just lazing on the deck. If you're a gun enthusiast feel free to bring 'em with you as we have a 100 yard rifle range as well as a sporting clays machine to test your shotgunning skills. There's plenty of Landrover parking space and a shady, green lawn for pitching camp. Here's basic directions: 1. Navigate your way to Hwy 4 in the Stockton area. 2. Take Hwy 4 eastbound. 3. After about 40 minutes driving through lovely cattle country you'll see the turn off for Copperopolis. Keep going straight on Hwy 4 but "zero" your trip meter. 4. At 5.8 miles you'll see on your right white pasture fencing with Appaloosa Rd. in green (and overhead it says Bear Mtn Ranch). Turn in here and zero your trip meter. 5. At 1.4 miles you'll see our driveway on the right with a covered bridge. Come on in! Eric Cope 1232 Appaloosa Road Angels Camp, CA. 95222 Home phone: 209-736-9279 Cell phone: 209-988-2842 E-mail: BwanaE@aol.com From bens Tue Jul 2 11:50:17 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g62FoH532279 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 11:50:17 -0400 Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 11:50:17 -0400 Message-Id: <200207021550.g62FoHM32275@minbar.fourfold.org> From: BwanaE@aol.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Blue Lakes attendees: Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset="US-ASCII" ] [ 21 lines filtered. ] Here are the current RSVPs: Jeff Rogers......................D90 Rob Kerner......................88" Dave Brown.....................Disco Rich Luzzi.......................D90 Keith, Pam Sukait............Disco Jon, Emily Turner.............RR Barry, Lori Ellis................Disco Carl Tsigakis.................... ? Eric Cope 1232 Appaloosa Road Angels Camp, CA. 95222 Home phone: 209-736-9279 Cell phone: 209-988-2842 E-mail: BwanaE@aol.com From bens Tue Jul 2 12:07:36 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g62G7ap32506 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 12:07:36 -0400 Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 12:07:35 -0400 Message-Id: <200207021607.g62G7ZR32502@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Roger Sinasohn To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Cc: rachel Grilley Subject: Disco advice needed Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org We are now in the market for a Disco. With a kid, we definitely need a second vehicle, preferably something a little larger. We also want something we can take on trips and not have to worry much about dents and dings. We'd like something 2-4 years old, in good running order that has been well-maintained, a which hasn't seen any terrain worse than the speed bunps at the Stanford mall. We've got a budget of $20K. (The less we pay for the vehicle, the more we can spend on stuff like Safari Gard upgrades.) So, what should we look for? what should we look out for? I know there were problems with leaky windows -- was this fixed in recent years? Are there any good buyer's guides? I have the beginnings of one started by Brian Foster back in 12/00 -- was there any more done with that? Websites? We don't even know what options are/were available, so we need to look into that too. This is the first time either of us has bought a used vehicle (other than a series rover) so general tips are welcome as well. Should I go to a dealer? Classifieds? Other? And lastly, anyone interested in checking out some vehicles with us in exchange for dinner? Thanks in advance! --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger@sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/ From bens Tue Jul 2 12:52:57 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g62GqvN00524 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 12:52:57 -0400 Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 12:52:56 -0400 Message-Id: <200207021652.g62GquM00520@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Charles and Karen's Excellent Adventure Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Folks, I was the only person from the list that took up Karen Sindir's offer to meet her, hubby, and friends, at her cabin in Big Bear this past Saturday - and it was great! I was going to let Karen post this, but she is probably beginning her vacation and doesn't have time. I don't recall the name of the trail, but it is one of the "Black Diamond" trails in the area - a trail that Karen had never been on before. Of the trucks there in the group, were a: 1970's/1980's Suburban (moderate lift and fat tires), a two-door Explorer (Lotsa lift, big fat tires, lockers, winch - the works) a 1990's Tahoe (stock but with lotsa power) My Rangie - 2" lift, but otherwise stock (I'm still wondering about those diffs) Karen's Rufy - a SIII 88" in stock configuration, but heavily laden with off-road gear. The trail itself had varying conditions - dirt, dirt with ruts, big and small slick rocks intertwined with ruts, and loose shale (seems to have been lots of blasting going on in the past). Oh - there's also the altitude factor: the town of Fawnskin (north side of Big Bear Lake) is located somewhere around 7000 feet, and the trail easily goes past 8000, and possibly upto 9000 feet. While the Rangie, Explorer, and Tahoe had no problem with the altitude, Rufy and the 'Burb' were both suffering altitude sickness, and ran rich enough to stall several times as a result. Spotters were required in two bad areas. The Rangie ran a little on the hot side, but cooled down when the group stopped - as did the others. I got stuck a few times, but was able to extricate myself, though Karen had to have Rufy winched out once by the explorer, due to Rufy stalling at the wrong time - during a very difficult ascend over big rocks and loose shale, during which she also suffered the first damage of the day - a smashed window. During the climb, Rufy slid sideways into a tree, pushing her drivers' side door mirror into the forward door glass. Rufy regained traction during this - but not soon enough, and Karen's climb continued until hitting rock head-on (too steep to climb over), and stalling the truck. (in all fairness, her truck was constantly gaining/losing traction through all this, and the gaining of traction at too high of a engine RPM was what caused the charge into the rock. I feel bad about this one, because I was the first one to make the climb (the Guinea Pig), and thus, I chose the easiest route over for the ground clearance I had: the other 3 drivers chose the more aggressive route, and Karen, out of inexperience with this type of terrain, opted to do the climb last - and followed the route that the others took, while I assumed that she would take the same path that I did. (however, at the window-breaking monent, that was the only route to take - I myself almost slid into the tree) I'm pretty sure that I did say something, but if I didn't, I should have. On the section where the trail became entirely loose shale, the 'Burb' began to slide sideways off the trail, and had to be righted! (there was about a 10 foot dropoff to one side - it would have rolled over) I was unaware of this, as I was scouting the trail ahead (the Feds at the info center BTW, had not been up that trail in "several years", thus did not know the condition of it!), and was filling in a 3-foot deep rut in a very rocky portion of the trail - if I hadn't done this, the trail would have been unpassable. The 'Burb' had already been recovered by the time I was done, but was stalling badly, so the group took a break for a while. Other than these few spots, the trail was easy up until it ran into a dead end! We figured that we must have taken a wrong turn, but couldn't find where we did, as the trail was poorly marked. And so, we turned the group around and headed back to the cabin, where Karen's hubby demonstrated his master of the BBQ. Janet had to some running around to do the next day, and so we didn't spend the night at the cabin - but wished that we had, It was a learning experience for all. A few doors from the cabin, there was a bar that was having a chili cookoff, and lots of local bikers were in town, as were a few other interesting folks. Am patiently awaiting the next trip with her group... Charles - now thinking about a locker for Gillian... ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Tue Jul 2 13:02:25 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g62H2PU00697 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 13:02:25 -0400 Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 13:02:24 -0400 Message-Id: <200207021702.g62H2Oq00693@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Brian Foster" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Other mailing lists? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I only subscribe to mendo_recce, but some BMW friends want to subscribe to leaf spring and coil sprung Land Rover mailing lists. Can someone email me privately with subscribe information for other lists? Brian Foster Irvine CA _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From bens Tue Jul 2 14:30:58 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g62IUw301782 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 14:30:58 -0400 Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 14:30:58 -0400 Message-Id: <200207021830.g62IUwH01778@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Scott Rachfal To: Subject: Re: Blue Lakes attendees: Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org What's the date on the trip? I may be in... Scott Disco II on 7/2/02 8:50 AM, BwanaE@aol.com at BwanaE@aol.com wrote: > > [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] > [ text/html; charset="US-ASCII" ] > [ 21 lines filtered. ] > > > > Here are the current RSVPs: > [ 17 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Tue Jul 2 14:38:18 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g62IcIY01847 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 14:38:18 -0400 Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 14:38:18 -0400 Message-Id: <200207021838.g62IcIL01843@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Turner, Jon [LFS]" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: Blue Lake info Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; ] [ 24 lines filtered. ] This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. charset="iso-8859-1" July 13-14 http://www.norcalrover.org/calendar/slickrock_071302.html From bens Tue Jul 2 14:54:33 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g62IsXY02019 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 14:54:33 -0400 Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 14:54:32 -0400 Message-Id: <200207021854.g62IsWE02015@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: LOTS of sighting!! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Yesterday was the day of all days for sighting! I spent most of the day in the South Bay area around El Camino Real between Menlo Park, Redwood City and San Mateo getting supplies and maps for the final recce for the Nevada Desert trip coming up at the end of July. During the day I managed to spot the following: In the Redwood City Atheletic Club parking lot, ironically across from the RWC LR dealer, a white Euro-spec Defender 110 pickup with hard top cab, complete with NAS 90 front rollcage and rear bed cage, huge tires, winch and custom bull bar, aux lights, the works. Had CA plates. Very neat, anyone else ever run into this one? Ran into another NAS D110 in a parking lot, #122, owned by a guy named Matt who is interested in joining the club. I directed him to the website to join and check out the upcoming events. As I was looking at the above mentioned NAS D110, a relatively stock Disco pulled up with the plates "Roverlvr" or something to that degree. He was looking at the 110 as well. Spotted at a dealership near San Mateo yellow 1995 D90 #2250 with 33k miles on the clock going for 27k. Had very large tires of a brand I was not familiar with (Baja something) with lots of other equipement on/in it. During the course of the day, also spotted a white hardtop D90, a white soft top D90, and another yellow D90. All the above was spotted on El Camino Real between Menlo Park, Redwood City and San Mateo. Last week Sat night spotted an olive drab Series II or III 88 parked under the freeway near the Castro, also. Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 From bens Tue Jul 2 15:03:12 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g62J3CL02116 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 15:03:12 -0400 Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 15:03:12 -0400 Message-Id: <200207021903.g62J3CO02112@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: attn those wishing to buy spare gas cans... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Recently found out that you can no longer purchase spare metal gas tanks in CA with the screw on metal top seals. According to state law you now can only purchase metal cans with a new plastic spout on top designed to capture fumes and the like. I believe the old red metal cans with metal seals on top ran between 19.95 and 25.00, these new ones run about 36.95. The plastic tops on the new cans are a POS, too. Besides being POS's, I can't imagine plastic tops will suffice at preventing fume leaks in high elevations and high tempatures. I believe the effort is being put forth by CARB, although I don't recall what agency that stands for at the momement. Thought it might be helpful to know this... Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 From bens Tue Jul 2 15:11:21 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g62JBL702227 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 15:11:21 -0400 Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 15:11:21 -0400 Message-Id: <200207021911.g62JBLd02223@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Prelim for the Nevada Desert trip July 26-28 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Petra and I are running the final recce for the Nevada Desert trip this Wed through Sun, and will be posting final details about the trip such as meeting location, what to bring, what to expect, etc on Monday of next week. The trip is already looking like it will be spectacular. We've managed to aquire numerous USGS Nevada base maps and various guides and booklets on reading and using topos, UTM, GPS, and much more! We are also working to get various other freebies from various dealers and retailers. The first 10 trucks to join us will receive a large packet of goodies, much of which will be used/leanred on the actual 3 days of the event. If anyone has questions in the meantime, please let us know! We are requesting an RSVP for this event so that we can gauge the specifics of the group attending. More info about the trip is available here: http://www.norcalrover.org/calendar/nde_072602.html Thanks, Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 From bens Tue Jul 2 15:17:53 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g62JHrT02300 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 15:17:53 -0400 Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 15:17:53 -0400 Message-Id: <200207021917.g62JHrG02296@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kerner, Rob" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: Ham Code question Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Anyone out there have study materials they want to loan/give me so I can start learning Morse Code? I figured someone must have them gathering dust. And Bruce I still have your technician book, which I had with me at Mendo to return...:( -Rob From bens Tue Jul 2 15:33:01 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g62JX1G02392 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 15:33:01 -0400 Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 15:33:01 -0400 Message-Id: <200207021933.g62JX1Z02388@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Turner, Jon [LFS]" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: attn those wishing to buy spare gas cans... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; ] [ 30 lines filtered. ] This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. charset="iso-8859-1" A week or two ago I web-ordered some of the good Wedco jerry cans from USA Hardware. They were $25.99 + shipping, not a bad deal. And these are the real deal jerry cans. I think I paid about $130 for 4, delivered to my house. http://www.usahardware.com/inet/shop/item/71900/icn/20-887398/wedco/80720.ht m Jon From bens Tue Jul 2 15:51:15 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g62JpFu02527 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 15:51:15 -0400 Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 15:51:15 -0400 Message-Id: <200207021951.g62JpFc02523@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Peter Hope" To: Subject: Re: attn those wishing to buy spare gas cans... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > A week or two ago I web-ordered some of the good Wedco jerry cans from USA > Hardware. They were $25.99 + shipping, not a bad deal. And these are the > real deal jerry cans. I think I paid about $130 for 4, delivered to my > house. No photo at the website. By "real deal jerry can" I am guessing that these are the German style, 2 halves welded together, with the latch style nozzle/cap not the US style screw on? If so you can find these from surplus places. I purchased 4 of them, actual ex german army. They are 20 liter cans, so 5.2 US gallons. They even have the aluminum content labels, no dents or dings, some scuffing on the paint. Paid 30$ for the four and shipping from a place on the east coast to Hawaii. Pete From bens Tue Jul 2 15:53:11 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g62JrBf02550 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 15:53:11 -0400 Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 15:53:10 -0400 Message-Id: <200207021953.g62JrAD02546@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: attn those wishing to buy spare gas cans... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org and there is always the NATO cans. I get mine from Sportsmansguuide.com They are always going on sale. They also have the matching water cans too They can be placed on their side or even upside down and not leak. I have half a dozen of each and thing they are great@! Paul --- "Turner, Jon [LFS]" wrote: > > [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] > [ text/html; ] > [ 30 lines filtered. ] > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader > does not understand > this format, some or all of this message may not be > legible. > [ 11 additional quoted lines pruned. ] http://www.usahardware.com/inet/shop/item/71900/icn/20-887398/wedco/80720.ht > m > > Jon > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From bens Tue Jul 2 15:53:34 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g62JrY002567 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 15:53:34 -0400 Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 15:53:33 -0400 Message-Id: <200207021953.g62JrXY02563@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Benjamin Smith To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Ham Code question Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In message <200207021917.g62JHrG02296@minbar.fourfold.org>you wrote: > Anyone out there have study materials they want to loan/give me so I can > start learning Morse Code? I figured someone must have them gathering dust. What I found is that you want to listen to the code. If you look at photos you will memorize the visual pattern. Sound and vision are completely differnt. Unless you want to learn to read morse... When I was doing this a year or two ago I found some free Windows programs on the net. Also I bought a little cigarette pack sized widget that played morse and displayed the letters on an LED. It was about $70 then. Ben From bens Tue Jul 2 15:53:47 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g62JrlI02596 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 15:53:47 -0400 Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 15:53:47 -0400 Message-Id: <200207021953.g62Jrlf02590@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Alexander Cooper To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Ham Code question Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > Anyone out there have study materials they want to loan/give me so I can > start learning Morse Code? I figured someone must have them gathering > dust. > > And Bruce I still have your technician book, which I had with me at > Mendo to > return...:( There are quite a few good Morse Code tutor programs out there that can be downloaded for free. When I was learning that's what I did and it worked quite well. I don't recall the name of the program I used, but I can find out for you this evening if you like. It was DOS based but worked very well. If you do a web search you should be able to find several suitable programs. Some of the amateur radio web pages have links to these also. Alexander From bens Tue Jul 2 15:56:33 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g62JuX902650 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 15:56:33 -0400 Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 15:56:33 -0400 Message-Id: <200207021956.g62JuXk02646@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: " mendo rec list" Subject: Re: attn those wishing to buy spare gas cans... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Recently found out that you can no longer purchase spare metal gas tanks in >CA with the screw on metal top seals. According to state law you now can >only purchase metal cans with a new plastic spout on top designed to capture >fumes and the like. BP is still selling 20L, 10L and 5L metal NATO cans and shipping to purchaser's inside California. The are now offering a California legal spout for the NATO cans. SO maybe not the screw on cap jeep cans, but still the regular NATO jerrycans. TeriAnn Wakeman If you send me direct mail, please Santa Cruz, California start the subject line with TW - twakeman@cruzers.com I will be sure to read the message http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 From bens Tue Jul 2 15:59:16 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g62JxGU02685 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 15:59:16 -0400 Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 15:59:16 -0400 Message-Id: <200207021959.g62JxG602681@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Benjamin Smith To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: attn those wishing to buy spare gas cans... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In message <200207021951.g62JpFc02523@minbar.fourfold.org>you wrote: > No photo at the website. By "real deal jerry can" I am guessing that these > are the German style, 2 halves welded together, with the latch style > nozzle/cap not the US style screw on? I think all of NATO (except the US) and the Warsaw Pact use these. I have one German, one Soviet and one UK can like this. They are all the same. I also have a US one which is grossly inferior IMO. Ben From bens Tue Jul 2 16:00:23 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g62K0N002756 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 16:00:23 -0400 Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 16:00:23 -0400 Message-Id: <200207022000.g62K0NT02752@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Turner, Jon [LFS]" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: attn those wishing to buy spare gas cans... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 110 lines filtered. ] This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. charset="iso-8859-1" From bens Tue Jul 2 16:01:22 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g62K1M902776 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 16:01:22 -0400 Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 16:01:22 -0400 Message-Id: <200207022001.g62K1MB02772@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: attn those wishing to buy spare gas cans... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Pix of wedco cans are on the specials page at http://www.clubgwagen.com under expedition exchange, or on John's site directly. -Dave G. From bens Tue Jul 2 16:03:39 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g62K3dO02819 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 16:03:39 -0400 Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 16:03:39 -0400 Message-Id: <200207022003.g62K3d502815@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: attn those wishing to buy spare gas cans... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- Peter Hope wrote: > If so you can find these from surplus places. I > purchased 4 of them, actual > ex german army. They are 20 liter cans, so 5.2 US > gallons. They even have > the aluminum content labels, no dents or dings, some > scuffing on the paint. > Paid 30$ for the four and shipping from a place on the > east coast to Hawaii. say that again! 30 clams for four cans incl shipping?? what is their info? I would like to get some more, and tghat beats sportsmansguide Paul __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From bens Tue Jul 2 16:06:11 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g62K6Bk02848 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 16:06:11 -0400 Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 16:06:10 -0400 Message-Id: <200207022006.g62K6Ap02844@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Turner, Jon [LFS]" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: attn those wishing to buy spare gas cans... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html ] [ 30 lines filtered. ] This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. Yes, they are the welded ones. Pictures here http://www.expeditionexchange.com/wedco/, but they cannot ship the Wedcos within CA. I decided I wanted the new, DOT approved cans. I agree you can get the surplus ones for less. I wanted to have that DOT stamp on the container. Sorry, the list-bot stripped my reply out for some reason on the previous message. Jon From bens Tue Jul 2 16:28:05 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g62KS5h02974 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 16:28:05 -0400 Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 16:28:04 -0400 Message-Id: <200207022028.g62KS4d02970@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gerry Elam" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Ham Code question Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >When I was doing this a year or two ago I found some free Windows programs >on >the net. Also I bought a little cigarette pack sized widget that played >morse >and displayed the letters on an LED. It was about $70 then. > >Ben I also use the same device.... http://www.mfjenterprises.com/products.php?prodid=MFJ-418 Cheers, Gerry _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From bens Tue Jul 2 16:36:37 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g62Kab803038 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 16:36:37 -0400 Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 16:36:37 -0400 Message-Id: <200207022036.g62Kabo03034@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Peter Hope" To: Subject: Re: attn those wishing to buy spare gas cans... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > > Paid 30$ for the four and shipping from a place on the > > east coast to Hawaii. > > say that again! 30 clams for four cans incl shipping?? > what is their info? I would like to get some more, and > tghat beats sportsmansguide > Aloha Paul. This was from sportsman guide 2-3 years ago. I just checked current price for swedish cans is 9 apiece. When I ordered mine I paid 4$ each for ex-german ones. They shipped them ground frieght, so took a month to get them via a boat, but yeah my total was only 30 for 4 of them and one nozzel. Pete From bens Tue Jul 2 16:44:19 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g62KiJs03093 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 16:44:19 -0400 Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 16:44:19 -0400 Message-Id: <200207022044.g62KiJJ03089@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Shannon Holland To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: LOTS of sighting!! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org That reminds me - parked next to another 110 at the Palo Alto Fry's last week (or maybe the week before, they all seem the same) - was that Mr Dow? (#20ish/500 Cooper tires and missing spare looked very well loved!). Shannon From bens Tue Jul 2 17:12:01 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g62LC1803356 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 17:12:01 -0400 Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 17:12:00 -0400 Message-Id: <200207022112.g62LC0M03352@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: attn those wishing to buy spare gas cans... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org ".....but they cannot ship the Wedcos within CA....." Just to be clear, it is illegal for anyone to sell fuel cans that do not contain the newly mandated spout, in California. Some other suppliers may be unaware of the law, and thus non-compliant for the time being. But if you want them, get them before these guys find out about the law. I understand the fines are pretty stiff (for the seller, not the buyer) and they'll probably shut down CA shipping when they find out about the new requirements. -Dave G. From bens Tue Jul 2 17:47:46 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g62LlkR03646 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 17:47:46 -0400 Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 17:47:46 -0400 Message-Id: <200207022147.g62Llkw03642@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Cc: "'roundel@hotmail.com'" Subject: RE: Other mailing lists? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "....to subscribe to leaf spring and coil sprung Land Rover mailing lists...." This is the one they're after, Brian: http://land-rover.team.net/mailman/listinfo -Dave G. From bens Tue Jul 2 18:09:32 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g62M9W803800 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 18:09:32 -0400 Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 18:09:31 -0400 Message-Id: <200207022209.g62M9Vi03796@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Tom Walsh" To: Subject: Re: Blue Lake info Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I'm a maybe also TomW ----- Original Message ----- From: "Turner, Jon [LFS]" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 11:38 AM Subject: Blue Lake info > > [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] > [ text/html; ] > [ 24 lines filtered. ] > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand > this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. > > charset="iso-8859-1" > [ 5 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Tue Jul 2 18:13:09 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g62MD9Q03841 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 18:13:09 -0400 Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 18:13:09 -0400 Message-Id: <200207022213.g62MD9203837@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Tom Walsh" To: Subject: Re: attn those wishing to buy spare gas cans... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > > I believe the effort is being put forth by CARB, although I don't recall what > agency that stands for at the momement. California air resources board.... or I refer to em: California's anal really bad :) TomW > > Thought it might be helpful to know this... > > Jason Pipes > jpipes@feldgrau.com > www.feldgrau.com > > 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 > [ 1 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Tue Jul 2 19:51:49 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g62Npnb04339 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 19:51:49 -0400 Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 19:51:49 -0400 Message-Id: <200207022351.g62Npni04335@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Peter Hope" To: Subject: Re: attn those wishing to buy spare gas cans... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > Just to be clear, it is illegal for anyone to sell fuel cans that do not > contain the newly mandated spout, in California. So do the new cans have the spoats permanantly attached? Pete From bens Tue Jul 2 21:21:03 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g631L3j04836 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 21:21:03 -0400 Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 21:21:03 -0400 Message-Id: <200207030121.g631L3q04832@minbar.fourfold.org> From: StevHutch@aol.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: USPS Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset="US-ASCII" ] [ 14 lines filtered. ] Go Lance!...ok. But His $3+ Mil paycheck from the US GOV. so we can pay .37 now per stamp is too much. Lance you are too pricey and have to go......find another sponsor. - S H > PS The grandaddy of them all, the Tour De France will start with a prologue > in Luxembourg this saturday the 6th of July. Live and tape coverage is on > Outdoor Life Network throughout July (to the finale in Paris on the 28th). > From bens Tue Jul 2 21:43:23 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g631hNh04925 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 21:43:23 -0400 Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 21:43:22 -0400 Message-Id: <200207030143.g631hMt04921@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Zaxcoinc@aol.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Split gas tank Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset="US-ASCII" ] [ 13 lines filtered. ] > "...I just didn't like the idea of having a plastic fuel tank..." > > . There's a 300 diesel soft > top for sale in Oregon that I could make my truck and give her the LWB.... > Hmm.... :^) > > -Dave G. It's worth a try to call the dealership and verify that the tank replacement was performed. I don't recall whether that is limited to the 88-89 vehicles or what. Better to have LRNA pay than you. Zack From bens Wed Jul 3 00:36:25 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g634aPP07014 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 00:36:25 -0400 Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 00:36:25 -0400 Message-Id: <200207030436.g634aPk07010@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Aidan McLeer" To: Subject: Re: LOTS of sighting!! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason Pipes" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 11:54 AM Subject: LOTS of sighting!! > > > > In the Redwood City Atheletic Club parking lot, ironically across from the > RWC LR dealer, a white Euro-spec Defender 110 pickup with hard top cab, > complete with NAS 90 front rollcage and rear bed cage, huge tires, winch and > custom bull bar, aux lights, the works. Had CA plates. Very neat, anyone > else ever run into this one? > It is a modified NAS D90 (wrecked) that has had the chassis extended (to 110 spec) and the 110 PU body added It belongs to one of the techs at RWC Later Aidan From bens Wed Jul 3 01:12:06 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g635C6f07251 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 01:12:06 -0400 Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 01:12:05 -0400 Message-Id: <200207030512.g635C5C07247@minbar.fourfold.org> From: aaron To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: biodiesel Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Julian, Are you running biodiesel now? If so what vehicle are you running. What do you think about biodiesel vs grease cars? Aaron Mount 69 88 in 500 pieces Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 18:12:53 -0400 From: Julian Kwasneski Subject: Re: low mileage 110 on ebay I caught that line too ... And I would definitely be the guy that has more of a problem with it than others. Sure looks nice though ... Might be even tougher in CA too ... although I would be converting it to a diesel so I could run biodiesel. On 7/1/02 2:55 PM, "Gomes, David" wrote: > > The operative statement in the advertisement is: > > "....This vehicle is registered in New York State as a Series IIa 109 and it > has a current inspection...." > > If it is indeed a 110, then it is an illegal import titled under false > pretenses and as such, subject to seizure. Some people have more of a > problem with this than others. To me, there are enough nice legal trucks [ 3 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Wed Jul 3 01:43:16 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g635hGC07364 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 01:43:16 -0400 Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 01:43:15 -0400 Message-Id: <200207030543.g635hFw07360@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Christopher Dow To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Blue Lakes attendees: Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org BwanaE@aol.com wrote: >Here are the current RSVPs: > >Jeff Rogers......................D90 >Rob Kerner......................88" >Dave Brown.....................Disco >Rich Luzzi.......................D90 >Keith, Pam Sukait............Disco >Jon, Emily Turner.............RR >Barry, Lori Ellis................Disco [ 3 additional quoted lines pruned. ] Chris Dow 110 Leslie Dow 90 C From bens Wed Jul 3 01:46:18 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g635kIj07395 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 01:46:18 -0400 Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 01:46:18 -0400 Message-Id: <200207030546.g635kIY07391@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Christopher Dow To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: LOTS of sighting!! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Shannon Holland wrote: >That reminds me - parked next to another 110 at the Palo Alto Fry's last >week (or maybe the week before, they all seem the same) - was that Mr >Dow? (#20ish/500 Cooper tires and missing spare looked very well loved!). > >Shannon > > That was mine. PJ took it to Fry's since his RR's starter was kaput. All is well now, though. I drove it all last week while he was out of town. I must say it's a nice ride. C From bens Wed Jul 3 03:11:29 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g637BTC07725 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 03:11:29 -0400 Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 03:11:29 -0400 Message-Id: <200207030711.g637BTO07721@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Julian Kwasneski To: Subject: Re: biodiesel Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I am not running it yet as I have no diesel rig. My brother-in-law owns a winery in Healdsburg where they use it in all their tractors, his father in his car, my sister uses it in her 97 Passat wagon plus a variety of vehicles his brother owns. They converted an Izuzu flatbed to run on pure veggie oil. His brother made it all the way to south america in a converted rig, hopping from restaurant to restaurant and getting their waste oil (they had a variety of filter stages). I learned a lot at biodiesel.org (and talking to my brother-in-law at many family functions) It's pretty amazing On 7/2/02 10:12 PM, "aaron" wrote: > > Julian, > Are you running biodiesel now? If so what vehicle are you running. > What do you think about biodiesel vs grease cars? > > Aaron Mount > 69 88 in 500 pieces > > [ 22 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Wed Jul 3 08:24:11 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g63COBF08990 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 08:24:11 -0400 Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 08:24:11 -0400 Message-Id: <200207031224.g63COBw08986@minbar.fourfold.org> From: john hess To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: USPS Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org On Tue, 2 Jul 2002 StevHutch@aol.com wrote: > Go Lance!...ok. > But His $3+ Mil paycheck from the US GOV. so we can pay .37 now per stamp is > too much. Lance you are too pricey and have to go......find another sponsor. > > - S H are you serious? I'm glad to see Lance in a postie jersey. The US mail system is incredible. I just wish that the post office would quit giving junk mail folks deep discount rates. I don't want more credit cards, or car insurance quotes or advertising circulars or even half the catalogs I get now. cheers from hot humid Rhode Island (this week for science). john hess, Davis, California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Dormie web pages at http://dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/startpoint.html From bens Wed Jul 3 08:51:23 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g63CpNp09159 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 08:51:23 -0400 Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 08:51:23 -0400 Message-Id: <200207031251.g63CpNQ09155@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: attn those wishing to buy spare gas cans... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "...do the new cans have the spoats permanantly attached?..." It's my understanding that Wedco is working on a CARB-compliant spout, so my guess is that it does not need to be permanently attached. I'd guess the compliant spout must be sold WITH the can in order for the can to be sold in CA. This would sound about par for the course, as they'd be making you buy a spout with every can, even though most of them would go into a pile in the garage. Sounds about right, doesn't it? :^) -Dave G. From bens Wed Jul 3 09:32:15 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g63DWFf09390 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 09:32:15 -0400 Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 09:32:10 -0400 Message-Id: <200207031332.g63DWAk09386@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: " mendo rec list" Subject: Re: attn those wishing to buy spare gas cans... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >> Just to be clear, it is illegal for anyone to sell fuel cans that do not >> contain the newly mandated spout, in California. > >So do the new cans have the spoats permanantly attached? No. If they accept the new spout and seal completely they are OK. You can not buy a tank with a regular spout nor a regular spout by itself. TeriAnn Wakeman If you send me direct mail, please Santa Cruz, California start the subject line with TW - twakeman@cruzers.com I will be sure to read the message http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 From bens Wed Jul 3 10:11:32 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g63EBWl09812 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 10:11:32 -0400 Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 10:11:27 -0400 Message-Id: <200207031411.g63EBR309808@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: " mendo rec list" Subject: RE: attn those wishing to buy spare gas cans... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > I'd guess the >compliant spout must be sold WITH the can in order for the can to be sold in >CA. This would sound about par for the course, as they'd be making you buy >a spout with every can, even though most of them would go into a pile in the >garage. Sounds about right, doesn't it? :^) I don't think so. Send BP an email and ask. I believe they are still selling cans without the spout but only sell the california required spout when you order one. TeriAnn Wakeman If you send me direct mail, please Santa Cruz, California start the subject line with TW - twakeman@cruzers.com I will be sure to read the message http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 From bens Wed Jul 3 10:20:29 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g63EKTd09875 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 10:20:29 -0400 Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 10:20:29 -0400 Message-Id: <200207031420.g63EKTa09871@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: TW RE: attn those wishing to buy spare gas cans... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi, What is the Ca required spout? Will it fit the threaded crummy US cans? Bob B At 07:11 AM 7/3/2002, you wrote: > > I'd guess the > >compliant spout must be sold WITH the can in order for the can to be sold in > >CA. This would sound about par for the course, as they'd be making you buy > >a spout with every can, even though most of them would go into a pile in the > >garage. Sounds about right, doesn't it? :^) > >I don't think so. Send BP an email and ask. I believe they are still >selling cans without the spout but only sell the california required >spout when you order one. [ 9 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Wed Jul 3 11:43:57 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g63Fhvu10566 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 11:43:57 -0400 Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 11:43:57 -0400 Message-Id: <200207031543.g63Fhvb10562@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: attn those wishing to buy spare gas cans... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "...Send BP an email and ask. I believe they are still selling cans without the spout...." They shouldn't be selling them (without the spout) to people in Califonia...Might be time to give them a call... -Dave G. From bens Wed Jul 3 12:52:05 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g63Gq5m11280 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 12:52:05 -0400 Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 12:52:05 -0400 Message-Id: <200207031652.g63Gq5t11276@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Franklin H. Yap" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: USPS (No LR Content) and a little ranting Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org john hess wrote: >..are you serious? I'm glad to see Lance in a postie jersey. The US mail >system is incredible. > I agree that overall the USPS is OK but on an individual basis, I 've had a lot of problems with delivery. Several lost packages, regular mis-deliveries to our PO Box and occasionally to our home. Sometimes the address isn't even close. I've had mail to WI end up in our box. But the top prize .. a few months ago I stood in line to have a certified letter sent to the IRS. The letter was taken by the postal employee at the window who calculated the postage and put the postage on the letter. A week or so later the letter was returned because the IRS rejected the letter. I had to go to the IRS office to check why the letter was rejected. It turns out it was not accepted because the letter had insufficient postage and the post office tried to charge the IRS for the balance (which of course the IRS rejected). Many, many years ago, when I lived in an apartment in Berkeley, the building used to regularly get mis-delievered mail I wrote the post office several times but the problem continued. I then started to re-deliver the mail around the neighbourhood (and not just on the street where I lived). On one day, there was 25 pieces of incorrectly delivered mail. I again wrote the post office and attached a copy of the face sheet of each piece of the incorrectly delieverd mail. I also mentioned that I had taken to re-delivering the mail (because this was not junk mail, there were bills, etc.) I also sent a copy to the local congressman (Ron Dellums). The only response I ever received was from the Berkeley Postmaster - do not re-deliver the mail, it is a federal offense. Frank From bens Wed Jul 3 12:58:10 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g63GwAT11351 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 12:58:10 -0400 Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 12:58:10 -0400 Message-Id: <200207031658.g63GwA611347@minbar.fourfold.org> From: James Howard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: attn those wishing to buy spare gas cans... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org So, if you are buying 5 cans, do you need to buy 5 spouts? Can you get away with calling them 90 wt storage vessels? "Gomes, David" wrote: From bens Wed Jul 3 13:16:02 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g63HG2q11460 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 13:16:02 -0400 Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 13:16:02 -0400 Message-Id: <200207031716.g63HG2e11456@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Thomas Joyner" To: "Mendo List" Subject: USPS sponsorship (minimal LR content) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org The USPS is but one of many Postal Team sponsors. They are the flagship sponsor and the money they pay for that privelege goes to the team, not directly to Lance's pocket. The real rant IMHO should be the subsidy the lower 48 pays through higher postal rates to allow Alaskans to send bags of concrete through the postal system, not the fact that the Postal Service is trying to get international exposure via a cycling team for their International expedited services so as to compete with FedEx, UPS, DHL, Airborne, etc. That said, I'm sure that if anyone sits down to watch Le Grand Boucle, you may catch a glimpse of a Rover product or two patiently parked on the side of the road while it's owner is cheering his/her head off for the cyclists! From bens Wed Jul 3 13:21:06 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g63HL6w11530 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 13:21:06 -0400 Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 13:21:06 -0400 Message-Id: <200207031721.g63HL6q11526@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: attn those wishing to buy spare gas cans... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Well, here's the general gobledy-gook on the new regulation: http://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/spillcon/spillcon.htm Here's the letter of the law: http://www.arb.ca.gov/regact/spillcon/finalreg.pdf Where it's clearly stated (pg 3) that gerrycans as we know them are not compliant. As far as penalties, there are none for consumers, only for manufacturers, distributors, and retailers. In the above document (pg 7) they say that if they catch you selling them, they'll tell you to stop, but they leave open the option to bring down all the dogs of hell related in section 26 part 5 of this puppy.... http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/calawquery?codesection=hsc&codebody=&hits= 20 -Dave G. From bens Wed Jul 3 13:23:41 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g63HNf511555 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 13:23:41 -0400 Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 13:23:41 -0400 Message-Id: <200207031723.g63HNfG11551@minbar.fourfold.org> From: James Howard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: USPS sponsorship (minimal LR content) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Even at 37 cents, our letter rates are still far cheaper than any other industrialized country. From bens Wed Jul 3 13:25:32 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g63HPWS11589 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 13:25:32 -0400 Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 13:25:32 -0400 Message-Id: <200207031725.g63HPWV11585@minbar.fourfold.org> From: craig reece To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Vegetable oil in Rovers (was Re: biodiesel Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Julian (and Aaron) Shane Ballensky (of this fine mailing list) is nearing completion of my new Defender/Series 100" hybrid with a 300 Tdi engine and two tanks, one for dinodiesel or biodiesel, the other for SVO/WVO - straight vegetable oil or waste vegetable oil aka used french fry oil. The vegetable oil tank is heated via engine coolant, you start and stop on dino or bio, run on vegetable oil. And I have friends with Ford Navistar and Powerstoke pickups who run on both WVO and SVO, using the Greasecar kit - it definitely works! Rudolf Diesel designed the diesel engine to run on vegetable oil. Craig Julian Kwasneski wrote: > I am not running it yet as I have no diesel rig. My brother-in-law owns a > winery in Healdsburg where they use it in all their tractors, his father in > his car, my sister uses it in her 97 Passat wagon plus a variety of vehicles > his brother owns. They converted an Izuzu flatbed to run on pure veggie oil. > His brother made it all the way to south america in a converted rig, hopping > from restaurant to restaurant and getting their waste oil (they had a > variety of filter stages). > > I learned a lot at biodiesel.org (and talking to my brother-in-law at many [ 16 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Wed Jul 3 13:39:18 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g63HdIq11683 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 13:39:18 -0400 Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 13:39:18 -0400 Message-Id: <200207031739.g63HdIP11679@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Brian Foster" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Ham Radio Code Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org One of the tricks to learning morse code is simple: set the speed of each code character to a high speed (like 15-20 WPM) and place a large space between them. Then, to get your speed up all you have to do is reduce the space between characters. Thanks for this insight goes to my uncle (Gordon West). Is there a Discovery Buyer's FAQ available somewhere? We have owned two, but I would like to give advice to someone else. Brian Foster Irvine CA _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From bens Wed Jul 3 13:40:05 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g63He5211705 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 13:40:05 -0400 Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 13:40:05 -0400 Message-Id: <200207031740.g63He5L11701@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Turner, Jon [LFS]" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: attn those wishing to buy spare gas cans... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; ] [ 19 lines filtered. ] This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. charset="iso-8859-1" Thanks for the link Dave! Ah yes, only the government would call a gas can a 'portable refueling system'!! From bens Wed Jul 3 13:42:23 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g63HgN311740 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 13:42:23 -0400 Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 13:42:23 -0400 Message-Id: <200207031742.g63HgN111736@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Turner, Jon [LFS]" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: Surplus shops Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; ] [ 22 lines filtered. ] This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. charset="iso-8859-1" Anybody have any favorite military surplus shops, particularly south or east bay? Any good sources for the medic boxes - they seem to make really nice storage. Jon From bens Wed Jul 3 13:49:36 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g63HnaL11826 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 13:49:36 -0400 Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 13:49:36 -0400 Message-Id: <200207031749.g63Hnaq11822@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: " mendo rec list" Subject: Re: Surplus shops Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Anybody have any favorite military surplus shops, particularly south or east >bay? Any good sources for the medic boxes - they seem to make really nice >storage. I stopped by the Surplus store near Moss Landing a couple weeks ago and they had a few medic boxes. They also had these insulated food containers that look just like jerrycans without the spout. The whole top slides out. There are kinda nifty in a something unusual that is not what you expct sorta way. TeriAnn Wakeman If you send me direct mail, please Santa Cruz, California start the subject line with TW - twakeman@cruzers.com I will be sure to read the message http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 From bens Wed Jul 3 14:13:45 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g63IDjb11994 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 14:13:45 -0400 Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 14:13:45 -0400 Message-Id: <200207031813.g63IDjJ11990@minbar.fourfold.org> From: shukait@mac.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Disco Advice Needed Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Roger, There a lot that needs checking when you buy any vehicle. I've had real good luck with Exclusively British European in Campbell, they're $99 per hour compared to the dealer at $125. My advice is to take it there and pay for a complete check out with a compression test. In the long run a $200 check out can save you thousands of dollars down the road. After multiple bad experiences with LR San Jose and LR Frisco Texas I can't trust Land Rover dealerships any more. I think the difference between the dealer and a third party shops is the time allotted for repair and bonuses paid on completing the job early. I want someone to take the time to do it right so I don't have to bring it back three more times. It's funny, if you ad up the time to fix it and the three other times you need to bring it back so they can fix it again, it seems that they had plenty time to do it right the first time. Whoa! sorry for the rant, the only thing that bit me on my 97 Discovery XD was the lug nuts. Check each one and make sure they don't rattle. Pull the cars lug wrench out and make sure it fits on every lug nut. Land Rover puts a nice little dress cap on each lug nut . Air wrenches seem to hammer that cap against the steel lug until it mal-forms the dress cap. The lug nuts are $11.75 each from the dealer, I paid $10.25 at EBE in Campbell in conjunction with my 60k service. All 20 of mine were bad, $200 in lugs nuts will drive you nutty! Cheers, Keith & Pam Shukait Northern California Rover Club 1997 Land Rover Discovery XD "YLLWJKT" 1969 Land Rover Series IIA ExMoD 109 Regular "Millie" 1967 Land Rover Series IIA NADA 6 Cylinder Dormobile "Indiana" From bens Wed Jul 3 14:20:03 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g63IK3k12045 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 14:20:03 -0400 Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 14:20:02 -0400 Message-Id: <200207031820.g63IK2B12041@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Franklin H. Yap" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: USPS sponsorship (minimal LR content) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org James Howard wrote: >Even at 37 cents, our letter rates are still far cheaper than any other >industrialized country. > It is indeeed cheap. And most correspondence I send and receive is via USPS. But if I'm sending an irreplaceable (or hard to replace document), courier is the only way to go. Frank From bens Wed Jul 3 14:32:38 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g63IWcE12124 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 14:32:38 -0400 Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 14:32:37 -0400 Message-Id: <200207031832.g63IWbv12120@minbar.fourfold.org> From: John Young To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #782 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Frank wrote of his federal offense: > Many, many years ago, when I lived in an apartment in Berkeley, the > building used to regularly get mis-delievered mail I wrote the post ... Great story, Frank! Sounds like the mail carrier was dropping acid. Quite likely, considering the time period and location. -JY From bens Wed Jul 3 14:34:24 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g63IYOv12139 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 14:34:24 -0400 Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 14:34:24 -0400 Message-Id: <200207031834.g63IYOl12135@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Shannon Holland To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: USPS sponsorship (minimal LR content) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org On Wednesday, July 3, 2002, at 10:23 AM, James Howard wrote: > Even at 37 cents, our letter rates are still far cheaper than any other > industrialized country. > I don't know if it's still true, but a few years ago I was told that the bulk of the USPS runs at a profit, except for the state of Alaska. As an amusing aside, when we were in Glacier Bay a few years back on a kayaking trip we stopped at this one lodge (well, this was before the kayaking trip!) for dinner. Very fancy place - basically a huge hunting lodge mostly in the middle of nowhere. We were talking to the owner and asking him how he had built the place, given it was so remote (no real roads to get there). They were able to get most of the wood on barges up the river (during high tide) but had a huge problem with getting all the concrete block for the foundation (they needed something like 20,000 blocks). Upon getting quotes from many contractors, one quote was way lower than all the others (like $20,000 versus $40-50,000). Upon further investigation all the others were hiring private transport to bring the bricks in, this guy was using the USPS - good old book rate.... (and yes, they did it). Shannon From bens Wed Jul 3 14:36:08 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g63Ia8V12168 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 14:36:08 -0400 Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 14:36:08 -0400 Message-Id: <200207031836.g63Ia8712164@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Russ Wilson To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: USPS sponsorship (minimal LR content) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >But if I'm sending an irreplaceable (or hard to replace >document), courier is the only way to go. Agreed. They did however have to send over 15 exta pigeons when I sent out that extra door top that I sold. -- "Your friend is the one you call to bail you out of jail. Your best friend is the one sitting next to you saying,'Dude, that was awesome!" From bens Wed Jul 3 14:54:01 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g63Is1d12249 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 14:54:01 -0400 Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 14:54:00 -0400 Message-Id: <200207031854.g63Is0d12245@minbar.fourfold.org> From: James Howard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: USPS sponsorship (minimal LR content) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org My coworkers and I had a good laugh on this one. Thanks! Shannon Holland wrote: From bens Wed Jul 3 15:28:37 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g63JSbu12557 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 15:28:37 -0400 Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 15:28:37 -0400 Message-Id: <200207031928.g63JSbh12553@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Split gas tank Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "....Better to have LRNA pay than you...." You know, I'd forgotten all about that. But now that you mention it, I do remember them covering some of them. I'll look into the particulars. Thanks bud. -Dave From bens Wed Jul 3 15:43:25 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g63JhP312779 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 15:43:25 -0400 Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 15:43:20 -0400 Message-Id: <200207031943.g63JhKG12775@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: " mendo rec list" Subject: new spout regulations - From British Pacific Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I asked Steve Hedke from British Pacific to summarize what the new regs means to us. Here is his reply: ---------------- Begin Forwarded Message ---------------- Date: 07/03 12:02 PM Received: 07/03 12:42 PM From: British Pacific, BRITPAC@aol.com To: TeriAnn Wakeman, twakeman@cruzers.com The new fuel storage regs are based around vapor loss, and went into effect on Jan 1, 2001. One of the banned type are 'semi permeable' plastic, which we never used anyway, or the older style lawnmower cans with the pop off vent caps. NATO cans have always sealed tightly and fulfill this requirement. Technically NATO cans used for gasoline should be red, and those are on the way: same can, just in red. Our customers always preferred green, and we will continue to stock those as well. The CA legal spout is similar in function to the fuel filler hoses at our gas pumps. Again, if the spout is left on the can vapor cannot escape. There is a mandated spring loaded concentric sleeve that must be depressed before fuel can be dispensed. Generally, this means the unleaded restrictor on newer trucks, or the side of the filler neck on older ones. The law is not 'grandfathered', making all old cans illegal for use: but that the only new ones that can be sold have the new vapor loss restrictions. This is EPA law and they expect all new cans to be phased in by 2007. You can still legally use your old cans and spouts. ----------------- End Forwarded Message ----------------- TeriAnn Wakeman If you send me direct mail, please Santa Cruz, California start the subject line with TW - twakeman@cruzers.com I will be sure to read the message http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 From bens Wed Jul 3 16:44:00 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g63Ki0w13242 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 16:44:00 -0400 Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 16:43:59 -0400 Message-Id: <200207032043.g63Khxk13238@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Cc: "'BRITPAC@aol.com'" Subject: RE: new spout regulations - From British Pacific Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org The regulation as defined in the document published at: http://www.arb.ca.gov/regact/spillcon/finalreg.pdf contains 6 criteria, all of which must be complied with for fuel cans to be legal for sale in California. NATO style cans probably DO meet 3 of them, including the permeation rate Steve referred to. But they most definitely do NOT meet the requirements to automatically shut off flow before the target fuel tank (fuel being transferred TO) overflows, or the requirement to automatically close and seal when removed from the target fuel tank. The applicable subsection is reprinted below. To get the word from the horse's mouth, one would probably need to contact one of the people noted at the bottom of this page: http://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/spillcon/spillcon.htm I just don't want Steve to inadvertently run afoul of the regulations since the fines could be pretty steep if imposed (as was done for R12 refrigerant when people were selling that after the ban on sale) on a "per unit sold" basis. :^((( -Dave G. (note - date is stated as 1/1/2001 below, but elsewhere in the doc, it allows cans manufactured before 1/1/2001 to be sold until 1/1/2002 if they are labeled with date of manufacture) 2467.2. Performance Standards for Portable Fuel Containers and Spill-Proof Spouts. (a) Except as provided in Section 2467.3, no person shall sell, supply, offer for sale, or manufacture for sale in California on or after January 1, 2001, any portable fuel container or any portable fuel container and spout which, at the time of sale or manufacture, does not meet all of the following Performance Standards for Spill-Proof systems: (1) An automatic shut-off stops the fuel flow before the target fuel tank overflows. (2) Automatically closes and seals when removed from the target fuel tank and remains completely closed when not dispensing fuel. (3) Has only one opening for both filling and pouring. (4) Provides a fuel flow rate and fill level of: (A) not less than one-half gallon per minute for portable fuel containers with a nominal capacity of: (i) 1. less than or equal to 1.5 gallons and fills to a level less than or equal to 1 inch below the top of the target fuel tank opening; or (ii) 2. greater than 1.5 gallons but less than or equal to 2.5 gallons and fills to a level less than or equal to one inch below the top of the target fuel tank opening if the spill-proof system clearly displays the phrase "Low Flow Rate" in type of 34 point or greater on each spill-proof system or label affixed thereto, and on the accompanying package, if any; or (B) not less than one gallon per minute for portable fuel containers with a nominal capacity greater than 1.5 gallons but less than or equal to 2.5 gallons and fills to a level less than or equal to 1.25 inches below the top of the target fuel tank opening; or (C) not less than two gallons per minute for portable fuel containers with a nominal capacity greater than 2.5 gallons. (5) Does not exceed a permeation rate of 0.4 grams per gallon per day. (6) Warranted for a period of not less than one year against defects in materials and workmanship. From bens Wed Jul 3 16:58:25 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g63KwPc13339 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 16:58:25 -0400 Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 16:58:25 -0400 Message-Id: <200207032058.g63KwPX13335@minbar.fourfold.org> From: eric.fournier@attbi.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: new spout regulations - From British Pacific Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Steve does sell CARB legal spouts... http://www.britishpacific.com/offroad/jerryCans.html Eric Fournier Really jones'n to get some jerrycans now... From bens Wed Jul 3 18:30:28 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g63MUSJ13852 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 18:30:28 -0400 Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 18:30:28 -0400 Message-Id: <200207032230.g63MUSD13846@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Peter Hope" To: Subject: Re: new spout regulations - From British Pacific Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org What I don't see in all of this is what about non-CA residents driving through the state? And does this apply to the end user or only dealers? I read that it only applies to petrol cans not diesel...if that's the case then can't you still order the inexpensive jerry cans and just 'say' they are for diesel? Hmmm, Pete From bens Wed Jul 3 19:04:15 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g63N4F914084 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 19:04:15 -0400 Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 19:04:14 -0400 Message-Id: <200207032304.g63N4EW14080@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: " mendo rec list" Subject: Fwd: mendo people Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >From Steve at BP ---------------- Begin Forwarded Message ---------------- Date: 07/03 3:35 PM Received: 07/03 4:05 PM From: British Pacific, BRITPAC@aol.com To: TeriAnn Wakeman, twakeman@cruzers.com It's interesting how some people on the list just have nothing better to do with their lives than to stir up controversy. The jerrycan issue is simply no big deal. To my knowledge (and I've been watching) NO ONE manufacturers a can that meets all the regs, and if they did, they'd be $100 each and they wouldn't sell. None of the chain stores are selling anything remotely similar, in fact many are still selling cheap plastic ones that are clearly in violation of the code. If no one makes a legal can and the law isn't enforced, who cares? Or, we'll just carry used ones for California, or label them 'not legal for use in CA'. In reality it will fall into the big pile of ignored laws already on the books, or the philosophy behind mandating 'zero emission' fleets. Take the 'frame height' issue: on vehicles of less than 4500GVW (which would include 88" models) the bottom of the frame to the ground cannot exceed 27". Does anyone care that several 88's exceed this? This, and other controversies from the past, are not designed to 'help', but are pursued to embarrass others or to make themselves feel superior. That's why I'm not on the list anymore, and generally we've learned to simply ignore such stuff. This Dave Gomes guy, so concerned for our liability exposure, hasn't bought anything from us in a year. Bet he buys out of England, too. He just wanted to needle us about our CA legal spout (which he even admits it is). Anyway, if anyone has seen or knows of a 'fully legal' can supplier I'd be keen to talk to them. If customers want them I'll carry them. Otherwise, as long as NATO cans represent our best selling item, you bet I'll still sell them. Steve ----------------- End Forwarded Message ----------------- TeriAnn Wakeman If you send me direct mail, please Santa Cruz, California start the subject line with TW - twakeman@cruzers.com I will be sure to read the message http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 From bens Wed Jul 3 19:26:31 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g63NQVK14203 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 19:26:31 -0400 Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 19:26:30 -0400 Message-Id: <200207032326.g63NQUf14199@minbar.fourfold.org> From: James Howard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Fwd: mendo people Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org You know, Steve is a nice guy, and I like to hear his opinion on things, but sometimes he can jump to conclusions. And sometimes he is wrong, but there is no way to convince him. James From bens Wed Jul 3 20:29:04 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g640T4014483 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 20:29:04 -0400 Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 20:29:04 -0400 Message-Id: <200207040029.g640T4S14479@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Mehdi Saghafi To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Fwd: mendo people Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org TerriAnn, if Steve has a comment about the MENDO People, he should list it himself. He knows the address. This list maybe a waste of time and mybe TR3 are more fun, ... , by now it is obvious no one person on this list knows all.... ................ This list is better reading than watching the local news, but with emails like Mendo People it might be nicer to watch the news. Mehdi From bens Wed Jul 3 21:30:21 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g641ULK14784 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 21:30:21 -0400 Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 21:30:21 -0400 Message-Id: <200207040130.g641ULF14780@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: " mendo rec list" Subject: Re: Fwd: mendo people Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >You know, Steve is a nice guy, and I like to hear his opinion on things, >but sometimes he can jump to conclusions. And sometimes he is wrong, >but there is no way to convince him. I noticed that myself. More than a few times TeriAnn From bens Wed Jul 3 21:43:39 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g641hd714858 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 21:43:39 -0400 Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 21:43:39 -0400 Message-Id: <200207040143.g641hdB14853@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Russ Wilson To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: new spout regulations - From British Pacific Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Steve does sell CARB legal spouts... >http://www.britishpacific.com/offroad/jerryCans.html > >Eric Fournier >Really jones'n to get some jerrycans now... More madness from California AKA "The Great Protector of all things" except your individual freedoms... New and CA Approved staples... made of plastic with rounded edges. They don't work but atleast you wont get hurt. New and CA Approved car.. A solar powered golfcart covered in Nurf with a 5mph top speed so that no one can get hurt... What will be next? Time to start packing .... RW -- "Your friend is the one you call to bail you out of jail. Your best friend is the one sitting next to you saying,'Dude, that was awesome!" From bens Thu Jul 4 01:44:10 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g645iAl16950 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 01:44:10 -0400 Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 01:44:10 -0400 Message-Id: <200207040544.g645iAS16946@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jeremy Bartlett To: mendo Subject: Lots of Sitings Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org That would be probably be Bart's (now RWC's foreman). Rather well done. 4.6 l if I recall correctly. Jeremy > In the Redwood City Atheletic Club parking lot, ironically across from the > RWC LR dealer, a white Euro-spec Defender 110 pickup with hard top cab, > complete with NAS 90 front rollcage and rear bed cage, huge tires, winch and > custom bull bar, aux lights, the works. Had CA plates. Very neat, anyone > else ever run into this one? > It is a modified NAS D90 (wrecked) that has had the chassis extended (to 110 spec) and the 110 PU body added It belongs to one of the techs at RWC Later Aidan From bens Thu Jul 4 01:51:52 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g645pqP17001 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 01:51:52 -0400 Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 01:51:52 -0400 Message-Id: <200207040551.g645pqr16997@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jeremy Bartlett To: mendo Subject: Re: USPS (No LR Content) and a little ranting Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >do not re-deliver the mail, it is a federal offense. I'll ad my rant having dealt with the Berkeley PO over the club PO Box at Berkeley, including issues of held mail with no notice. They're better off dead..... yeah I suppose that'd be a federal offense too. I'll leave it at that. Jeremy From bens Thu Jul 4 03:27:24 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g647ROT17370 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 03:27:24 -0400 Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 03:27:24 -0400 Message-Id: <200207040727.g647ROr17366@minbar.fourfold.org> From: joe mulqueen To: mendo Subject: RE. Charles and Karen's Excellent Adventure Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Sounds like the Big Bear Lake Land Rover gathering (sponsored by SCLR SDLR and LVLR) at the end of this month will be alot of fun! To bad it's the same weekend as the NCRC event. [HINT HINT HINT!] Joe Mulqueen '67 SIIA 109 SW Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 12:52:56 -0400 From: Charles R Irvin Subject: Charles and Karen's Excellent Adventure Folks, I was the only person from the list that took up Karen Sindir's offer to meet her, hubby, and friends, at her cabin in Big Bear this past Saturday - and it was great! ....I don't recall the name of the trail, but it is one of the "Black Diamond" trails in the..... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From bens Thu Jul 4 03:31:21 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g647VLb17402 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 03:31:21 -0400 Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 03:31:20 -0400 Message-Id: <200207040731.g647VKL17398@minbar.fourfold.org> From: joe mulqueen To: mendo Subject: '97 Def sighting Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org '97 White Defender Wagon for sale on lot next to Checkered Flag in Marina Del Rey. Didn't see the price but the truck was clean and had it's original tires. Joe Mulqueen '67 SIIA 109 SW __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From bens Thu Jul 4 21:18:39 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g651IdQ22262 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 21:18:39 -0400 Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 21:18:38 -0400 Message-Id: <200207050118.g651IcE22258@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Zaxcoinc@aol.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: mendo people Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset="US-ASCII" ] [ 19 lines filtered. ] In a message dated 7/3/02 4:04:50 PM Pacific Daylight Time, twakeman@cruzers.com writes: > From Steve at BP > > I don't think I quite understand ( a natural state). Dave supplied the CARB pages which describe the fuel can requirement. Steve complies with the Carb requirements. No controversy. Somebody tells Steve there is a controversy. There still isn't. The CARB compliant can is a reality, but only for those buying cans. Well, Actually only for those selling cans. I suppose it can be a problem for those who won't read the relevant regulation when it is pointed out to them. As to ways to cheat, they are myriad, especially for those who occasionally venture beyond the confines of the state. Or those who occasionally frequent garage sales, or swapmeets. Zack, mumbling off in a corner. From bens Thu Jul 4 22:04:19 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6524JA22472 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 22:04:19 -0400 Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 22:04:18 -0400 Message-Id: <200207050204.g6524IL22468@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Stirling Anderson To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Indepenence for all.... (and ME!!!!) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org It's rather fitting that on Independence day, The African moved under it's own power, with me behind the wheel for the first time!!! Only in the driveway, but still..... ;) I've owned it over 4 months and have stared at it, sat in it, and pretended. However tonight, I drove it and gained a whole lot of independence from the light rail and bus system!! There's still no turn signals or brake lights, but that's not going to be too difficult. Thanks to TeriAnn and Paul for helping out with the wiring. Dave, I'm back from my vacation so if you're still needing the help I can offer it. I have a sighting to report. My girlfriend surprised me with a birthday trip to my sister and brother-in-law's house in Florida, and at the Orlando airport I saw a Kalihari edition Disco. At least it certainly looked like one with the black bonnet and all. Didn't have time to check it out for the "Special Vehicle" badges or anything, but I'm pretty sure that's what it was. So anyway, happy Independence day to all!!! Have a great night and be safe!! Stirling and Amy. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From bens Thu Jul 4 22:28:09 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g652S9u22570 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 22:28:09 -0400 Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 22:28:09 -0400 Message-Id: <200207050228.g652S9h22566@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Indepenence for all.... (and ME!!!!) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- Stirling Anderson wrote: > > It's rather fitting that on Independence day, The > African moved under it's own power, with me behind the > wheel for the first time!!! Only in the driveway, but > still..... ;) I've owned it over 4 months and have > stared at it, sat in it, and pretended. However > tonight, I drove it and gained a whole lot of > independence from the light rail and bus system!! > There's still no turn signals or brake lights, but [ 2 additional quoted lines pruned. ] GREAT!!! Congratulations Sterling! So...are you finishing the lights and all tonight/Friday? ;-) Now you can share the enjoyment we all have when doing simple things like driving to the store...and you will now understand what I had said about that smile that is in your face every time you drive! Paul (off to the store in Elgie with a big smile!) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From bens Thu Jul 4 22:32:56 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g652WuR22602 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 22:32:56 -0400 Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 22:32:56 -0400 Message-Id: <200207050232.g652Wul22598@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: " mendo rec list" Subject: Re: mendo people Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >I don't think I quite understand ( a natural state). > >Dave supplied the CARB pages which describe the fuel can requirement. Steve >complies with the Carb requirements. No controversy. Somebody tells Steve >there is a controversy. There still isn't. I think Steve had just got off the phone from someone on the list before sending me that email to forward. I think he was reacting to the phone call. TeriAnn Wakeman If you send me direct mail, please Santa Cruz, California start the subject line with TW - twakeman@cruzers.com I will be sure to read the message http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 From bens Thu Jul 4 23:10:55 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g653AtS22766 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 23:10:55 -0400 Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 23:10:55 -0400 Message-Id: <200207050310.g653Atj22762@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kerner, Rob" To: "'mendo_Recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: Regents Carb, and a little rust Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I put on the new Rochester from BP, and it runs well. It still needs to be adjusted, but I immediately noticed more power. The other carb was definitely having problems.\ I decided finally to do a little welding on the rear crossmember. Since I bought Regent in 1994, he has had a rust hole in the rear crossmember right next to the drain hole, and trailer plug hole. I figured it was there becuase when I bought him the PO had plugs in this hole. Well THe rust seemed to be getting worse, which is weird, so I cut it out. Now I can look down the frame, and I see a pile of junk. More newspaper. NO wonder it was staying wet. This is the second place on the vehicle that has succumbed to rust because of newspaper. Now I just have to weld in a couple small plates and shoot it with Rustolium...:) -Rob From bens Thu Jul 4 23:30:41 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g653Uf422851 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 23:30:41 -0400 Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 23:30:41 -0400 Message-Id: <200207050330.g653Ufq22847@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Brian Foster" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: 97 D90 at chequered flag and sighting Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >From: joe mulqueen writes: >Subject: '97 Def sighting > >'97 White Defender Wagon for sale on lot next to >Checkered Flag in Marina Del Rey. Didn't see the >price but the truck was clean and had it's original >tires. I believe you are talking about Chequered Flag: http://www.chequeredflag.com/ 4128 Lincoln Blvd. Marina del Rey, CA 90292 Tel:(310) 827-8665 It is a 1997 white/grey with 60K mi. and is listed for $35.5K I have had a few friends buy cars from them. As far as independent dealers go, they have a better than average reputation. I was stopped at BMW of Newport Beach on Wednesday and a red Series LR with a tan top and 1 piece tan rear door drove past. I didn't get a good look at it, but it appeared to be a very nice Rover. Anyone here claim ownership or know the owner? Just curious. Brian Foster _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From bens Thu Jul 4 23:41:50 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g653fo822900 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 23:41:50 -0400 Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 23:41:50 -0400 Message-Id: <200207050341.g653fol22896@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Fil F." To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: new spout regulations - From British Pacific Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org smogII -- coming to a bay area smog shop near you be safe all, fil ;) ... > >What will be next? Time to start packing .... > >RW >-- >"Your friend is the one you call to bail you out of jail. Your best >friend is the one sitting next to you saying,'Dude, that was awesome!" _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From bens Fri Jul 5 08:07:53 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g65C7r725972 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 08:07:53 -0400 Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 08:07:53 -0400 Message-Id: <200207051207.g65C7rE25968@minbar.fourfold.org> From: john hess To: mendo Subject: Re: Lots of Sitings Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Sunday, June 30th, Logan Airport: green series 2-3 88. Didn't get a good look, but it surprised me. cheers, john hess, Davis, California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Dormie web pages at http://dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/startpoint.html From bens Sat Jul 6 02:38:27 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g666cRK32646 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 02:38:27 -0400 Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 02:38:26 -0400 Message-Id: <200207060638.g666cQu32642@minbar.fourfold.org> From: joe mulqueen To: mendo Subject: In Torrance.... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I visited "Rover Accessories" in Torrance, CA today. They're mainly an accessory business so they have a huge enclosed bay suitable for kitting out many vehicles simultaneously. They also have many Hanibal/Brakah type Aluminum roof racks including 2 for 110 models. I'm considering one for my 109.... Joe Mulqueen '67 SIIA 109 SW __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From bens Sat Jul 6 04:16:10 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g668GAI00641 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 04:16:10 -0400 Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 04:16:09 -0400 Message-Id: <200207060816.g668G9g00636@minbar.fourfold.org> From: John Young To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Lots of Sitings Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >> It is a modified NAS D90 (wrecked) that has had the chassis extended (to >> 110 spec) and the 110 PU body added >> It belongs to one of the techs at RWC >> >> Later >> Aidan > That would be probably be Bart's (now RWC's foreman). Rather well > done. 4.6 l if I recall correctly. > > Jeremy Same Bart that used to be at SF BMC? Last I heard, he was into old Broncos. Great guy. At least in my experience with him, he was nice, helpful, and genuine. Anyone on this list that takes their vehicle to RWC LR for service should introduce themselves to him. There was also a sales guy at RWC that was quite nice, too, named Fidel Cano, I believe. Not sure if he is still there, but he was 2.5 years ago. -JY From bens Sat Jul 6 09:34:58 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g66DYwi01862 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 09:34:58 -0400 Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 09:34:58 -0400 Message-Id: <200207061334.g66DYwI01858@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Ray Wood" To: Subject: unsubscribe Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org unsubscribe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mendo_Recce digest:" To: Sent: Friday, July 05, 2002 11:38 PM Subject: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #784 > > Mendo_Recce digest: Saturday, July 6 2002 Volume 02 : Number 784 > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 22:04:18 -0400 > From: Stirling Anderson > Subject: Indepenence for all.... (and ME!!!!) [ 72 additional quoted lines pruned. ] Steve > >complies with the Carb requirements. No controversy. Somebody tells Steve > >there is a controversy. There still isn't. > > I think Steve had just got off the phone from someone on the list before > sending me that email to forward. I think he was reacting to the phone > call. > > TeriAnn Wakeman If you send me direct mail, please > Santa Cruz, California start the subject line with TW - > twakeman@cruzers.com I will be sure to read the message [ 18 additional quoted lines pruned. ] right > next to the drain hole, and trailer plug hole. I figured it was there > becuase when I bought him the PO had plugs in this hole. Well THe rust > seemed to be getting worse, which is weird, so I cut it out. Now I can look > down the frame, and I see a pile of junk. More newspaper. NO wonder it was > staying wet. This is the second place on the vehicle that has succumbed to > rust because of newspaper. Now I just have to weld in a couple small plates > and shoot it with Rustolium...:) > > - -Rob > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 23:30:41 -0400 > From: "Brian Foster" > Subject: Re: 97 D90 at chequered flag and sighting [ 21 additional quoted lines pruned. ] with > a tan top and 1 piece tan rear door drove past. I didn't get a good look at > it, but it appeared to be a very nice Rover. Anyone here claim ownership or > know the owner? Just curious. > > Brian Foster > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > ------------------------------ [ 71 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Sat Jul 6 18:27:45 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g66MRjA03924 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 18:27:45 -0400 Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 18:27:45 -0400 Message-Id: <200207062227.g66MRjI03920@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Daniel Oppenheim" To: Subject: transfer box woes? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; ] [ 46 lines filtered. ] charset="iso-8859-1" Hi everyone, I need some help. My LT95, split case, Santana 5 -spd box is in trouble, = I think. I was at a stop light, and as I attempted to pull away, the box = made an ugly grinding noise, and the car would not move. I was curious = to se if the PTO knob had "jumped out" and somehow interfered with the = operation of the propshaft, etc. No such luck. I shifted into diff lock, and presto, no noise, and I was able to drive = home in 4 wheel, locked, high gear. It was also ok in locked low gear. = But not ok in either high or low unlocked.... (The car is permanent = 4-wheel drive.) Any ideas of what to check for? How to check? Possible problems? Fixes? = It my only car right now, pending the wiring of my "project." Thanks for your thoughts, Daniel Any From bens Sat Jul 6 19:27:13 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g66NRD904145 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 19:27:13 -0400 Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 19:27:13 -0400 Message-Id: <200207062327.g66NRDo04141@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Zaxcoinc@aol.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: transfer box woes? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset="US-ASCII" ] [ 19 lines filtered. ] In a message dated 7/6/02 3:28:38 PM Pacific Daylight Time, daniel@30harry.com writes: > Any ideas of what to check for? How to check? Possible problems? Fixes? = > It my only car right now, pending the wiring of my "project." > > > > Pending answers from the more skilled, I'd say your center diff has lunched itself. As an example spit out a spider gear or lost a shaft. Thus it differentials all the time. when you lock the center diff, you bypass that part of the equation. Transfer box has to come out. It might be faster if it really is a santana box which needs santana specific parts to fix the project first. Zack Health protection precaution from the Green Bible; "Avoid getting oil on the clothes, especially the underpants." From bens Sat Jul 6 22:11:07 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g672B7u04773 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 22:11:07 -0400 Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 22:11:07 -0400 Message-Id: <200207070211.g672B7704769@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: RE. Charles and Karen's Excellent Adventure Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Joe, You'll probably be the ONLY Series rig there! SCLR is mainly composed of "yuppie" types that have more money than God, and less than a fraction of the brains. Several years ago, Karen Sindir and I were the only Series owners in the club: the few times we went on outings with them, the entire group kept asking us when we were going to restore our trucks, and how much we planned on spending! Only coolest guy I remember from that club was Kris Swanson - but unfortunately, he blew his brains out a few years ago. (R.I.P.) Charles P.S. VARA is at Willow Springs Raceway this weekend - fireworks show there tonight! On Thu, 4 Jul 2002 03:27:24 -0400 joe mulqueen writes: > > Sounds like the Big Bear Lake Land Rover gathering > (sponsored by SCLR SDLR and LVLR) at the end of this > month will be alot of fun! To bad it's the same > weekend as the NCRC event. [HINT HINT HINT!] > Joe Mulqueen > '67 SIIA 109 SW ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Sat Jul 6 22:11:12 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g672BC604781 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 22:11:12 -0400 Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 22:11:12 -0400 Message-Id: <200207070211.g672BCL04777@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: 97 D90 at chequered flag and sighting Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org A little warning about dealing with these guys: they ARE used car dealers. As such, they should be looked at with all the mistrust in the world as any other used car dealer should. I personally know of two lemons that they sold: one was an early TR3 that went for $23,000 - it had at least 1 1/2 gallons of Bondo on it! (I I knew the guy that "restored" it), whilst the other car was a TR4A (IRS car) that they themselves "restored", that was sold to a doctor in Germany for $7800: this one had a MGB front bumper, a TR 250 grille, Spitfire seats, and the front suspension needed about $2200 in repairs done to it, including replacing the lower/inner A-arm supports...NOT an easy job on a TR (they're welded to the chassis). There used to be a guy there named Phil Newy(sp): he's since been fired (he was behind at least one of the above deals), and last I heard he was in the Long Beach area under the name "Classics and Sportscars", trying to steal cars from people (making deals to buy the cars, picking them up, then never forwarding the rest of the money& sending the car off to Europe), and U.S. Customs wanted to have words with him over a MGA Coupe that he forged registration documents on, in order to export the car! WATCH OUT FOR THIS CLOWN!!!!! Charles On Thu, 4 Jul 2002 23:30:41 -0400 "Brian Foster" writes: > > > I have had a few friends buy cars from them. As far as independent > dealers > go, they have a better than average reputation. > ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Sun Jul 7 00:41:51 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g674fpL06485 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 00:41:51 -0400 Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 00:41:51 -0400 Message-Id: <200207070441.g674fp706480@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Fwd: mendo people Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org If I recall correctly, Kalifornia mandated the use of metal gas cans a good 10 years ago, and outlawed the plastic ones that DID NOT specify "gasoline" on the sides of them at that time: so far, you can still buy plain plastic ones anywhere - I have two in my shed that I bought 4-5 years ago at Kragen, so I believe Steve is right about the law not being enforced there, so who cares? (I also still see people buying gasoline and putting it in old antifreeze jugs - also made illegal a good 10 years ago) As for the rest of Steve's comments about Dave G....I think he's outta line there, because Dave is only looking out for Steve AND BP as a whole: not a cool way to treat a customer no matter how long ago they last bought parts - and it is this characteristic of Steve that caused Lawrence to "quit" several years ago - but that's another story. BTW...anybody out there have phone numbers for GBR and Wise Owl??? Got some comparison shopping to do...(yet another story still...) Charles On Wed, 3 Jul 2002 19:04:14 -0400 TeriAnn Wakeman writes: > > From Steve at BP > > ---------------- Begin Forwarded Message ---------------- > Date: 07/03 3:35 PM > Received: 07/03 4:05 PM > From: British Pacific, BRITPAC@aol.com > To: TeriAnn Wakeman, twakeman@cruzers.com > [ 80 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Sun Jul 7 01:29:32 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g675TWO06678 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 01:29:32 -0400 Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 01:29:31 -0400 Message-Id: <200207070529.g675TVw06674@minbar.fourfold.org> From: craig reece To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Fwd: mendo people Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Wise Owl is 604-921-7277, Great Basin Rovers is 801-486-5049. Craig Charles R Irvin wrote: > > BTW...anybody out there have phone numbers for GBR and Wise Owl??? Got > some comparison shopping to do...(yet another story still...) > > Charles From bens Sun Jul 7 03:32:14 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g677WE307120 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 03:32:14 -0400 Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 03:32:14 -0400 Message-Id: <200207070732.g677WER07116@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Fwd: mendo people Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Thanks, Craig!!!!!! Charles On Sun, 7 Jul 2002 01:29:31 -0400 craig reece writes: > > Wise Owl is 604-921-7277, Great Basin Rovers is 801-486-5049. > > Craig > > Charles R Irvin wrote: > > > > > BTW...anybody out there have phone numbers for GBR and Wise Owl??? [ 5 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Sun Jul 7 05:28:02 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g679S2307721 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 05:28:02 -0400 Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 05:28:02 -0400 Message-Id: <200207070928.g679S2707717@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: back from our Nevada reccee... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org For those interested, we're back from our reccee of northwestern Nevada for the upcoming NCRC Nevada desert trip July 26, 27 and 28. We left late afternoon on Wed and got home about an hour ago. During our reccee we traveled about 1,000 miles and managed to circumnavigate a route from SF to Reno to Sutcliffe on the western shore of Pyramid Lake, north around its northern shore, through Emerson Pass, overland across the vast Smoke Creek Desert, to Gerlach, over the Black Rock Desert, through the Calico Mountains to High Rock Lake, through High Rock Canyon up to Massacre Lake, over to Vya, down to Leadville, through the Granite Mountains, back across the western side of the Smoke Creek Desert, through Sand Pass, back to Sutcliffe, and finally to Reno and SF. And that was just the general route we took, we explored *numerous* trails the entire way as the point was ultimately to find an overland and offroad route that would travel from Pyramid Lake to High Rock Canyon and back. We managed to travel about 400+ miles on poorly maintained dirt roads and about 200 miles on trails or overland routes specifically. It was a tremendously rewarding reccee as we managed to record GPS cords for the entire region, including trails and overland routes that were nothing more than faded ruts across miles of desert floor or hidden back country canyons. Everywhere we recced was/is 100% open and accessible to offroad vehicles. The fact that in many places it looked like no one had driven in years was very exciting. We also came across numerous herds of Antelopes and wild horses. During the entire time from Sutcliffe and back, not counting the time in Gerlach or on "major" roads, we passed 1 vehicle. On the trails specifically, we saw no other vehicles at all. We managed to find many excellent routes and will now begin the process of pulling together the mounds of data that we've collected into a specific route. The trip will not be a base camp trip, we'll be getting up early and driving a lot, but the variety in scenery and trail types and the many options for side trips, camping spots, points of interest, and alternative trails will make this trip worthwhile for almost everyone. We even managed to pick up some additional materials from the BLM reps we spoke with to hand out to the first 10 trucks that sign up/RSVP for this event! This is in addition to the materials we've already gathered from the USGS regarding this region of Nevada. I'm really excited about this trip. If you have even the slightest interest in deserts or have never experienced desert travel before, I promise you this trip will astound you. Anyway, enough pumping the event, We'll post the specific details of the trip ASAP. If you have any questions about the upcoming trip or about this reccee in particular, let me know! Thanks for reading, Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 From bens Sun Jul 7 05:46:57 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g679kvP07806 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 05:46:57 -0400 Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 05:46:57 -0400 Message-Id: <200207070946.g679kvU07802@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: back from our Nevada reccee... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I forgot to mention, our water pump decided the begining of our reccee was a good time to go south! We had a bit of excitement heading into some pretty remote areas due to it, to say the least. Thanks to our wonderful companions on this recce, Eric Fournier and his wife Joy, our plight was a lot less serious than it could have been! Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 From bens Sun Jul 7 06:55:52 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g67Atqw08065 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 06:55:52 -0400 Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 06:55:52 -0400 Message-Id: <200207071055.g67Atqr08061@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Turner, Jon [LFS]" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: RE. Charles and Karen's Excellent Adventure, Charles' SCLR co Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; ] [ 42 lines filtered. ] This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. charset="iso-8859-1" I have to agree with Charles' comments about the SCLR folks. Emily and I passed through there on the way back from picking our 110 up in Texas, timed it to coincide with Randy's summer party and the SCLR Area 51 trip. There was a lot of 'cowboy' driving. A D2 went over on it's side, another got sideways on a hill and had to be strapped, and a couple of Discos and one D90 saw various parts of their running gear (axles, diffs, transfer cases) shred to the point that they had to be towed. And this was for a simple half-day outing. IMHO, what we were doing was not really that difficult - I had no problems, this being my first outing in the 110, with open diffs and street pressure tires. A good group of people to be sure, but very different from Mendo / NCRC (who tend to Rover with vehicle preservation a bit more in mind). There are a many people there who are friends who I enjoy rovering with, but the 'yahoo contingent' is a bit more significant than NCRC. Jon From bens Sun Jul 7 10:59:22 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g67ExMh08949 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 10:59:22 -0400 Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 10:59:22 -0400 Message-Id: <200207071459.g67ExMe08945@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Joe Smo To: mendo_list Subject: Disco Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hello Sara is looking to purchase a different vehicle. She was looking at used Japanese SUVs. But then she saw a couple of used Discos and she realized she could afford one. My questions, for her, are: 1) are there any models or years to avoid 2) any ideas on series I vs series II 3) where should she look for the best price 4) what would be a good price for a 1999 Thank you Joe Palecek 65' 109 Station Wagon __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From bens Sun Jul 7 11:12:22 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g67FCMP09028 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 11:12:22 -0400 Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 11:12:21 -0400 Message-Id: <200207071512.g67FCLp09024@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Fwd: BP attitude and mendo people Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi, I recently went to use a differential gasket that didn't fit. It was a thicker cardboard type and was shrunk. I had bought 5-6 last time so they would be on the shelf for me. Only one was ok to use and it was a thinner material. These all came from Britpac. Granted they were about two years old, but were stored inside in a flat box. Steve just passed me off when I made mention of it. (He suggested I soak them in oil!) Instead, I tossed them in the garbage and bought some elsewhere. I too only buy occasionally but until now, I only bought from BP. That will change now. I don't care much for his attitude. AND TeriAnn's forward post from him really aggravated me. I bet that will cost him some business! At 09:41 PM 7/6/2002, you wrote: >As for the rest of Steve's comments about Dave G....I think he's outta >line there, because Dave is only looking out for Steve AND BP as a whole: >not a cool way to treat a customer no matter how long ago they last >bought parts - and it is this characteristic of Steve that caused >Lawrence to "quit" several years ago - but that's another story. From bens Sun Jul 7 11:31:40 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g67FVel09122 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 11:31:40 -0400 Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 11:31:39 -0400 Message-Id: <200207071531.g67FVdp09118@minbar.fourfold.org> From: joe mulqueen To: mendo Subject: RE. Charles and Karen's Excellent Adventure Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Charles, You paint with a wide brush. I'm sorry for your experiences. As a person who grew up in LA, I could say the same thing. From the crass beach cities (I'm from MB) to the screwed up inner cities (where I worked) - Socal sucks. That's why I left, but I still come back and meet interesting people. And if you can't accept SCLR what about the other LR groups? Joe Mulqueen '67 SIIA 109SW Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 22:11:07 -0400 From: Charles R Irvin Subject: Re: RE. Charles and Karen's Excellent Adventure Joe, You'll probably be the ONLY Series rig there! SCLR is mainly composed of "yuppie" types that have more money than God, and less than a fraction of the brains. Several years ago, Karen Sindir and I were the only Series owners in the club: the few times we went on outings with them, the entire group kept asking us when we were going to restore our trucks, and how much we planned on spending! Only coolest guy I remember from that club was Kris Swanson - but unfortunately, he blew his brains out a few years ago. (R.I.P.) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From bens Sun Jul 7 13:28:16 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g67HSGF09588 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 13:28:16 -0400 Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 13:28:15 -0400 Message-Id: <200207071728.g67HSFC09584@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: RE. Charles and Karen's Excellent Adventure Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Joe, I know it sounds a bit harsh - there are some good people in SCLR, but not many at all, and us Series owners were looked at as if we were a sideshow or something. (seriously) Also, people still wonder about the little things, like the membership fee going from $25.00 one year, to $65.00 the next! To top it off, the newsletter went from fantastic (when Kris was doing it) to nothing when the club hirearchy removed Kris from his duties - for several months there was NO newsletter, NO events, nobody in the club knew what was happening, and the club wouldn't say anything the entire time except the standard reply of "there will be a newsletter next month...:" This is why there is now a group (unofficial club) in Orange County (Orange County Contras', I believe), as well as another group that a gentleman named Daniel is trying to start up in West L.A. that both comprise mainly of Series owners. Up until joining SCLR, I had never joined a "real" club before: it was a bad experience, and I haven't been able to force myself to join another one yet - this coming from a 37-year old that has owned nothing but Brit cars his entire life! (maybe that's my problem: I'm here for the love of the cars, not the politics?) Of course, when Russ finishes Gambrinus, then I'll be moving to Visalia - and will have better access to NCRC activities, so there is hope for me - my last trip to Mendo helped...................... Charles On Sun, 7 Jul 2002 11:31:39 -0400 joe mulqueen writes: > > Charles, > You paint with a wide brush. I'm sorry for your > experiences. As a person who grew up in LA, I could > say the same thing. From the crass beach cities (I'm > from MB) to the screwed up inner cities (where I > worked) - Socal sucks. That's why I left, but I still > come back and meet interesting people. And if you > can't accept SCLR what about the other LR groups? [ 33 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Sun Jul 7 17:11:14 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g67LBEg10699 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 17:11:14 -0400 Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 17:11:14 -0400 Message-Id: <200207072111.g67LBEH10695@minbar.fourfold.org> From: James Howard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Fwd: BP attitude and mendo people Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org On Sun, 7 Jul 2002, Bob & Sue Bernard wrote: > I too only buy occasionally but until now, I only bought from BP. That will > change now. > I don't care much for his attitude. > AND TeriAnn's forward post from him really aggravated me. I bet that will > cost him some business! I have been buying mostly from BP for some time now, so that I don't even know who else can supply Series parts! Rovers North was usually too expensive, and every person I have ever spoken with on the phone at Atlantic British was rude. Who else is out there? From bens Sun Jul 7 19:27:05 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g67NR5e11227 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 19:27:05 -0400 Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 19:27:04 -0400 Message-Id: <200207072327.g67NR4D11223@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Eric Johnson" To: Subject: Re: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #785 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Jason, Just got back from Nevada myself. Had I known, would have been the "wingman" for your recce, if that would have been O.K. with you. My Recce reports as follows) 1 - No surplus store in the Reno/Carson City area carries NATO style gas cans, much less the 1/2 size ones. Twin Cities Surplus , on 4th St. - near the 395 over-pass, in Reno has lots of stuff/junk - worth a look if you want to kill an hour. 2 - I got the last .44 cal. Colt Walker black powder pistol from "Mark-Fore and Strike" sporting goods. 3 - I stayed overnight at a new motel in Virginia City. Its on the right, on the divide between Gold Hill and Virgina City, just as you come over the hill and can see downtown V.C. They have the most comfortable motel bed in the history of the planet. Heather, the new Manager, fed me Alfredo fettucini and Tri-tip, from her own kitchen. I got there after 9, and the restraunts close at 9 in V.C. She grew up in V.C. and is quite knowledgeable about the local history and current issues. The room with the whirl-pool was $109. Non whilpool rooms are $79 or $89. 4 - There is nothing to mark the location of the "Consolidated Virginia " mine shaft and works. At its peak, maybe the most famous mine in the world. It struck the richest pocket in the Comstock lode. (It used to be on the big empty lot across the "street" from the old train depot.) 5 - Tried to get to the Carson River Hot Spring. About 9.5 miles from 395, between Gardinerville and Topaz Lake. Take Leviathan Mine Road, then a secondary road. The secondary road was very rough and rocky in spots. Most of the rocks were not the round river rock, but debris rock off the hillsides. Tire side-wall cuts are a possibility. Trip stopped by locked cattle gate, so I took trail to rivers edge. Very nice camping and fishing area. 12 - 13 mile trail, some very rough sections...not technically dificult but tire / tie-rod damage a possibility. Any big fishermen would like this area. I've got a 3" lift, so body damage wasn't an issue. except where the branches grew too close to the trail. 6 - The top of Monitor Pass. This place is a real looker, by cracky. Thick stands of Aspen, open meadows, and OHV area. There are many trails that leave the pavement and all go off into the murkey depths of the woods. Telescopes and binoculars and a clear night would make for a superb outing. I actully ran across a group of amateur astronomers who had set up 1- 24" reflector 1- 18" reflector and a 9.5" Celestron Shmidt-Cassagrain. Unfortunealtly, Saturday nite was too cloudy and a "wash-out". Your Humble and Obediant Servant, Eric Johnson '90 white RR Custom roof-rack 3" OME HD springs (3 cheesy lights on front guard) From bens Sun Jul 7 20:09:08 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g68098X11410 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 20:09:08 -0400 Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 20:09:07 -0400 Message-Id: <200207080009.g68097x11406@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kerner, Rob" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: ARRRHg(Lots of LR content) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org So Regent is trying his best to not make it to Blue lakes. I got the engine bay back in order after replaceing the carb, and drove him around a little. Worked great. Went out to finish up, and he wouldn't start. NO go at all, I verified all my gas work was correct, and then started looking at electrical. I had replaced and regapped the points. They checked out. I put the timing light on the 1 cylinder, and verified, sporadic spark. I checked all the plug wires, and they looked fine. I regapped plugs,and tehy were ok. I finally replaced condenser, and still no go. I figured either the coil, or plug wires. I go inside get a drink. Go back and it starts fine:) I'll still replace plug wires, and order a coil.(from whom? HMMMM) Then on a shakedown run, he starts getting HOT. GRRRR. So now out to replace the thermostat. I sure am glad I have two Rovers -Rob From bens Sun Jul 7 20:44:38 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g680icC11597 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 20:44:38 -0400 Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 20:44:38 -0400 Message-Id: <200207080044.g680icX11593@minbar.fourfold.org> From: john hess To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: parabolic Q's Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hiya, I got the rear parabolics on Stubby without too much trouble but now have him ass end up in the air. With parabolics, do I need to buy new shocks? Mine were fine, but are now extended. I don't know if it's all the way, but they're extended. Stubby never had axle check straps; I bet that I can't put them on now, since the new springs are on. However, I think I probably will, since I have some in the garage. If I put them on, and the parabolics immediately make the them tight, what are the consequences? Any? Stubby is very light and I wonder if the 3 leafs are just too much or a little PU. TIA, John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Land Rover Dormobile web pages: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby" 1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" 1999 Bianchi Milano, 2001 Bianchi Pista 2002 Meridian Attache Softride Tandem From bens Sun Jul 7 21:07:12 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6817CJ11701 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 21:07:12 -0400 Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 21:07:11 -0400 Message-Id: <200207080107.g6817Br11697@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: parabolic Q's Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- john hess wrote: > > Hiya, > > I got the rear parabolics on Stubby without too much > trouble but now > have him ass end up in the air. > > With parabolics, do I need to buy new shocks? Mine were > fine, but [ 3 additional quoted lines pruned. ] I had new woodhead shocks before installing the R/M parabolics, and as is the norm with me was strapped for cash, so I decided to run the stock shocls for a while until I could afford to call Ray or Bill and order a set of longer shocks....and now two years later....still hasn't happened. As anyone that was around me at mendo can attest to, even with the travel being held in check by the shocks, it still handled like a dream! ;-) .....BUT on fast bouncy sections trying to keep up with Joe with parabolics and I think the bilstines? on his 109, I found myself getting beaten up as the woodheads can't handle the rapid flex the parabolics allow(expecially the two-leaf rear ones!) My feelings are the bilstines or at least rancho 9000's in the appropriate length will be my birthday present to myself next month! > Stubby never had axle check straps; I bet that I can't > put them on > now, since the new springs are on. However, I think I > probably will, > since I have some in the garage. If I put them on, and > the > parabolics immediately make the them tight, what are the > consequences? Any? not sure really....If there is some play as I have...maybe 4"...but I have custom length straps, so nevermihnd... Try them, and see if they fit at all...and go from there. I'd much rather have the strap do the limiting than as in my case the shock, but so far they have not broken off yet! (knock on wood) > Stubby is very light and I wonder if > the 3 leafs > are just too much or a little PU. maybe! simple solution is to put in a load to utilize the springs better, maybe two fuel cans and two water cans along with the spare tire back there? I have that with the two-leafers, and it's fine except for the heavy bumps, where I have felt some bottoming out. Tom has Nebraska set up with parabolics as well, but don't recall if they are two or three leavers....but I think he has the ranchos on there.. Paul __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From bens Sun Jul 7 21:30:21 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g681ULs11825 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 21:30:21 -0400 Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 21:30:21 -0400 Message-Id: <200207080130.g681UL211821@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Peter Hope" To: Subject: Re: parabolic Q's Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > Stubby is very light and I wonder if the 3 leafs > are just too much for a little PU. > Do you ever haul heavy loads in the bed? If not then yeah the 3 leafers are too much for your 88. My 88 weighs in at 4500lbs when empty. I got three leafers front and rear and they are stiff when empty. But add driver and passenger, spare tire, tools, camping gear and fill up the fuel tanks with 35gal of diesel and I am over 5500. Pete From bens Sun Jul 7 22:38:59 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g682cx712587 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 22:38:59 -0400 Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 22:38:58 -0400 Message-Id: <200207080238.g682cwm12583@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Benjamin Smith To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Fwd: BP attitude and mendo people Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In message <200207072111.g67LBEH10695@minbar.fourfold.org>you wrote: > expensive, and every person I have ever spoken with on the phone at > Atlantic British was rude. Who else is out there? If you had bad experiences at AB, ask for Eric Riston the next time that you call. He's a nice guy and shows up at a number of the LR events. (I've been told that he's the only sales guy there into LRs). He's got a Range Rover Classic that he fully rebuilt and uses for heavy off roading. In the North East, he's one of the regulars who hangs out with the "Netslum" of mostly Series owners. Ben From bens Sun Jul 7 22:51:51 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g682ppd12783 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 22:51:51 -0400 Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 22:51:51 -0400 Message-Id: <200207080251.g682ppv12779@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "de Guzman, Christine" To: Subject: RE: Who else is out there? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Rovers down south has some parts too. He is stocking more series stuff slowly. He mostly has LR Genuine parts and also some used stuff cheaper than RN and more than BP ( allmake after market) in general. I use all 3. First BP, then RDS and RN. I must say that I have not had any problem with genuine parts, where some after market stuff don't fit perfectly. Wise Owl is out there too. Mehdi .. Who else is out there? From bens Mon Jul 8 00:32:07 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g684W7214502 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 00:32:07 -0400 Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 00:32:05 -0400 Message-Id: <200207080432.g684W5r14498@minbar.fourfold.org> From: john hess To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: parabolic Q's Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Do you ever haul heavy loads in the bed? If not then yeah the 3 leafers are >too much for your 88. I would guess that 99% of the time, Stubby is empty. Then I get a load of rocks or firewood. The 3 leafers seemed to be the only ones sold by Great Basin or BP; I bought them from BP. John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Land Rover Dormobile web pages: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby" 1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" 1999 Bianchi Milano, 2001 Bianchi Pista 2002 Meridian Attache Softride Tandem From bens Mon Jul 8 00:33:53 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g684Xrq14517 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 00:33:53 -0400 Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 00:33:52 -0400 Message-Id: <200207080433.g684Xqt14513@minbar.fourfold.org> From: john hess To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: parabolic Q's Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Do you ever haul heavy loads in the bed? If not then yeah the 3 leafers are >too much for your 88. I would guess that 99% of the time, Stubby is empty. Then I get a load of rocks or firewood. The 3 leafers seemed to be the only ones sold by Great Basin or BP; I bought them from BP. John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Land Rover Dormobile web pages: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby" 1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" 1999 Bianchi Milano, 2001 Bianchi Pista 2002 Meridian Attache Softride Tandem From bens Mon Jul 8 00:33:59 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g684XxQ14532 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 00:33:59 -0400 Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 00:33:57 -0400 Message-Id: <200207080433.g684Xvw14528@minbar.fourfold.org> From: john hess To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: parabolic Q's Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Do you ever haul heavy loads in the bed? If not then yeah the 3 leafers are >too much for your 88. I would guess that 99% of the time, Stubby is empty. Then I get a load of rocks or firewood. The 3 leafers seemed to be the only ones sold by Great Basin or BP; I bought them from BP. John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Land Rover Dormobile web pages: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby" 1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" 1999 Bianchi Milano, 2001 Bianchi Pista 2002 Meridian Attache Softride Tandem From bens Mon Jul 8 01:29:43 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g685Thc14803 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 01:29:43 -0400 Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 01:29:43 -0400 Message-Id: <200207080529.g685Thu14799@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Tom Walsh" To: Subject: Re: parabolic Q's Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > > Stubby is very light and I wonder if > > the 3 leafs > > are just too much or a little PU. > maybe! simple solution is to put in a load to utilize the > springs better, maybe two fuel cans and two water cans > along with the spare tire back there? I have that with the > two-leafers, and it's fine except for the heavy bumps, > where I have felt some bottoming out. Tom has Nebraska set > up with parabolics as well, but don't recall if they are [ 2 additional quoted lines pruned. ] I have the three leafs in back, two in front and Bilstiens all around, the Bil's actually provide about 1/2 inch of lift all around combined with the military shackles and parabolics, its hard to say what components do what? but it sits fairly level and rides nicer than the stock setup ( although Joe think my truck sucks ) and I'm happy with how it handles. Also I have a spare tire, jerry can and large tool bin/box in the back. TomW From bens Mon Jul 8 03:11:15 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g687BFq15288 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 03:11:15 -0400 Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 03:11:15 -0400 Message-Id: <200207080711.g687BFD15284@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Tom Walsh! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org ...Is that you and your D-90 in Moab on page 46 of the July LRW??? Charles ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Mon Jul 8 09:18:46 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g68DIkW16804 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 09:18:46 -0400 Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 09:18:45 -0400 Message-Id: <200207081318.g68DIjm16800@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Peter Hope" To: Subject: Re: parabolic Q's Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > I would guess that 99% of the time, Stubby is empty. Then I get a > load of rocks or firewood. The 3 leafers seemed to be the only ones > sold by Great Basin or BP; I bought them from BP. GB is selling the TI Console springs. I know that Bill can get 2 leaf rears. No idea about BP. I wanted to get either the TICs or Ray Woods Rocky Mountains. Because of the additional weight I really wanted to get 3 leaf fronts. Called up TIC after reading about them making up a bunch of 3 leafer front for IIb forward controls. Then a frind told me to call Ray before I ordered the springs from TIC. A couple of the locals here in Washington know and highly recommend the spring manufacturer in British Columbia the Ray uses. Ray said 3 leaf fronts were not a problem, same cost as the 3 leaf rears, and since he ships to his US customers from a place here in Washington, shipping was pretty good. The RM springs are pretty easy to remove the third leaf on. Undo the center bolt and 2 uclips. Thing is, you probably want the third leaf when you go pick up the wood. Maybe remove the third leaf. Then get one of those one leaf helper springs that you can bolt on the underside of the sping right over the spring plate. These attach with two bolts. Just put these on before you go load up. Would be a pita I know but short of buying an air load system the only way I can think to get a dual load setup. I had 'homemade' springs on the Rover. Dissassembled, cleaned, painted, teflon taped, and reassembled with 7 leafs front and rear. I had some great articulation but in the past year she was slowly rolling over to port. The new engine, tranny, and fuel tank just aggrivate the problem. Tons of articulation and tons of weight means tons of roll in the corners. The three leaf paras are stiffer then what I had on before, but not as stiff as the stock 11 leafers were. From bens Mon Jul 8 09:18:52 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g68DIqS16813 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 09:18:52 -0400 Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 09:18:52 -0400 Message-Id: <200207081318.g68DIq716809@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Fwd: BP attitude and mendo people Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi James, Yes I only bought from BP up to now. He had some of the better prices, and good Series parts in stock. I have gotten bad items from them a few times but they always replaced it until now. RN is quite expensive so I use them only rarely. AB seems to be dropping out of Series parts and not much knowledge over the phone anymore. British Northwest,,,, Mr Cornflakes is just that, a Flake, Also too expensive, and he tells different lies each time you talk to him. So he needs to try to remember which lie he told you last time. Rovers down south? no idea. But looks like good prices. Wise Owl is nice,and knowledgeable and has decent prices. I definitely will buy from Ray. Bob B At 02:11 PM 7/7/2002, you wrote: >On Sun, 7 Jul 2002, Bob & Sue Bernard wrote: > > > I too only buy occasionally but until now, I only bought from BP. That > will > > change now. > > I don't care much for his attitude. > > AND TeriAnn's forward post from him really aggravated me. I bet that will > > cost him some business! > [ 4 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Mon Jul 8 09:25:13 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g68DPDF16871 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 09:25:13 -0400 Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 09:25:13 -0400 Message-Id: <200207081325.g68DPD616867@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Bob Frey" To: Subject: RR Radio Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I've finally had it with the stock radio in Lucy the RR. Took a trip up through Mendocino and Humboldt this weekend and with the desert dead LCD... a very hard time finding KMUD and my favorite station from Philo. So... bought a new radio and ripped the old one out yesterday, went to the manual and found the wiring and color code info for the radio wiring loom lacking... So.. anybody out there have a color code and description of the '89 RR radio wiring loom? I need the color codes for the 'molex type' chassis connection. TIA, Bob Frey '89 RR "Lucy" '60 88 SII "Shadrack" From bens Mon Jul 8 10:26:30 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g68EQU717176 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 10:26:30 -0400 Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 10:26:29 -0400 Message-Id: <200207081426.g68EQTK17172@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: Is there anybody......OUT THERE Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Is Thatched Roof Garage still in business? I and several friends have had great experiences buying from David Gage. I know he's east coast, so maybe a little extra shipping. But, I have to say, I've enjoyed good service from BP. Can't remember them getting anything seriously wrong, and prices are fair. I wouldn't take one silly e-mail as reason to stop doing business with them. Everybody has a bad day now and then. My mental response to the little "superiority complex" rant was first, "Gee, I wish he knew me better than that..." and secondly, "Must be talking about someone else, or he would have replied direct to me..." Since I did copy him privately on the last note I sent. Oh well, no biggie. But for those that want alternatives, I think Dave Gage at Thatched Roof is a good one. -Dave G. (aka - mister superiority...:^) PS - the first part I ever got from Dave Gage, was actually one I ordered from Ray Wood. My name must appear right next to Dave Gage in Ray's directory. Dave kindly took the time to track down with Ray to whom he had meant to send the package, and then forwarded the package on to me. Above and beyond the call, IMHO, since the part in question was only a couple of MC rebuild kits. From bens Mon Jul 8 10:33:37 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g68EXb017289 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 10:33:37 -0400 Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 10:33:37 -0400 Message-Id: <200207081433.g68EXbi17285@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: parabolic Q's Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Just a quickie John, sounds like you're thinking longer shocks. Might be the right thing to do if your static ride height has changed. If you go that route though, don't forget to check the compressed length and make your bump stops longer to keep the shocks from bottoming. The axle check straps might also help a bit with the body roll that was mentioned. But if you go to check straps, they should be designed to arrest the axle just before the EOT of the shock. So if you find the stock check straps are always tight, it means your stock shocks are always about fully extended. Not good either. If you want to keep those springs, it would probably be worth the time to get shocks that work to give you 5-6" of both up and down travel, and then do the math and make bump stops and check straps to work properly with the longer shocks and taller springs. Probably not too tough. Pieces of old 2" tow strap make great axle check straps. -Dave G. From bens Mon Jul 8 10:39:56 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g68EduR17427 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 10:39:56 -0400 Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 10:39:56 -0400 Message-Id: <200207081439.g68EduP17423@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Another Tom Walsh sighting Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I was listening to a CD the other night. It's called "Timeless", and it's a bunch of modern artists (Keb Mo, Mark Knopfler, Beck, Sheryl Crow, Bob Dylan, etc.) doing Hank Williams tunes. A really great CD, by the way. But the pix of Hank in the liner notes are from, I think, a little later in his life than you usually see, and I wondered, "Why is that face so familiar???" And then it hit me! That's Tom Walsh! Check it out....You'll see.... :^) -Dave G. PS- do these proverbial kids who've grown up knowing only CDs still call the little pamphlets "liner notes", and do they know why? From bens Mon Jul 8 10:41:53 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g68Efrq17498 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 10:41:53 -0400 Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 10:41:52 -0400 Message-Id: <200207081441.g68EfqT17494@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: " mendo rec list" Subject: Re: Fwd: BP attitude and mendo people Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >I have been buying mostly from BP for some time now, so that I don't even >know who else can supply Series parts! Rovers North was usually too >expensive, and every person I have ever spoken with on the phone at >Atlantic British was rude. Who else is out there? Don't give up on BP just because every once and a while someone gets upset. All in all they are a great group of people to deal with. I don't know anyone who doesn't occasionally get angry over something and say something while upset that would not ordinarly say and seldom think. Steve's usually a great guy to work with and thinks highly of the mendo group. I believe that email was sent to me to forward to the group just after Steve got off the phone with someone arguing legalities of his selling jerrycans in California and he was upset at the time. Anger happens, it is fleeting and it is human. I guess if I were more together, I should have censored the email he sent me to forward to the group instead of just skimming it & hitting forward. Done is done & don't condem a company for someone's brief outbuurst of temper. TeriAnn Wakeman If you send me direct mail, please Santa Cruz, California start the subject line with TW - twakeman@cruzers.com I will be sure to read the message http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 From bens Mon Jul 8 10:50:56 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g68Eout17563 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 10:50:56 -0400 Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 10:50:56 -0400 Message-Id: <200207081450.g68Eouk17559@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: back from our Nevada reccee... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org That sounds like one fantastic trip Jason! Was there just the two vehicles this time? That sounds like my definition of the ideal trip. I won't be able to make it out there in late July (probably a good thing, since I'm not even a club member.... :^). But your notes are an inspiration. I'd like to do a similar thing in eastern NV later this year. Better get crackin' :^) -Dave G. From bens Mon Jul 8 10:52:05 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g68Eq5D17578 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 10:52:05 -0400 Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 10:52:05 -0400 Message-Id: <200207081452.g68Eq5V17574@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: " mendo rec list" Subject: Re: parabolic Q's Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > >>Do you ever haul heavy loads in the bed? If not then yeah the 3 leafers are >>too much for your 88. > > >I would guess that 99% of the time, Stubby is empty. Then I get a >load of rocks or firewood. The 3 leafers seemed to be the only ones >sold by Great Basin or BP; I bought them from BP. DO you have the part numbers from the invoice? Front 88 & 109 LR01 Rear 88 LR02 Rear 109 LR03 I thought LR02 was 2 leafs? TeriAnn Wakeman If you send me direct mail, please Santa Cruz, California start the subject line with TW - twakeman@cruzers.com I will be sure to read the message http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 From bens Mon Jul 8 10:57:40 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g68EveN17634 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 10:57:40 -0400 Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 10:57:40 -0400 Message-Id: <200207081457.g68EveP17630@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: " mendo rec list" Subject: Re: parabolic Q's Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >I got the rear parabolics on Stubby without too much trouble but now >have him ass end up in the air. Did you get a set of LR02 rear springs? >With parabolics, do I need to buy new shocks? Mine were fine, but >are now extended. I don't know if it's all the way, but they're >extended. It is normally a good idea to match shock characteristics with springs. I have yet to see a paraboloic retailer recommend Woodhead shocks for parabolics. Since parabolics were never a Land Rover spring (except 101's) I doubt if any shock designed to go with LRs is truely correct. I suspect parabolic retailers just pick from the aftermarket one they feel kinda works witht he springs. BP recommends OME shocks with their parabolics. >consequences? Any? Stubby is very light and I wonder if the 3 leafs >are just too much or a little PU. I thought 88 rear parabolics were 2 leaf? TeriAnn Wakeman If you send me direct mail, please Santa Cruz, California start the subject line with TW - twakeman@cruzers.com I will be sure to read the message http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 From bens Mon Jul 8 11:09:41 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g68F9fa17738 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 11:09:41 -0400 Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 11:09:41 -0400 Message-Id: <200207081509.g68F9fg17734@minbar.fourfold.org> From: john hess To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: parabolic Q's Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hmm. Time to be embarrassed? I bought LR01 AND LR02 LR01 is listed as ft, pr (front, pair?) LR02 is listed as rr,pr (rear, pair) I think the 3 leafs are longer than the 2 leafs I have, therefore, rear location? >Front 88 & 109 LR01 >Rear 88 LR02 >Rear 109 LR03 > >I thought LR02 was 2 leafs? > >TeriAnn Wakeman If you send me direct mail, please >Santa Cruz, California start the subject line with TW - >twakeman@cruzers.com I will be sure to read the message [ 5 additional quoted lines pruned. ] John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Land Rover Dormobile web pages: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby" 1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" 1999 Bianchi Milano, 2001 Bianchi Pista 2002 Meridian Attache Softride Tandem From bens Mon Jul 8 11:22:28 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g68FMSM17921 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 11:22:28 -0400 Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 11:22:28 -0400 Message-Id: <200207081522.g68FMS917917@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kerner, Rob" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: re:Parbolics Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Regent has 2 leafs in front, and 3 leafs in rear, but the the third leave is a helper, so it only comes into play when loaded. A very good set up. 3 leafs in the rear unlaiden would be too much. It might ride better than stock, but will be much harsher than a 2 leaf setup. I also think when fully loaded for camping, 3 leafs in rear is ideal, even on an 88. -Rob From bens Mon Jul 8 11:22:53 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g68FMr617938 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 11:22:53 -0400 Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 11:22:52 -0400 Message-Id: <200207081522.g68FMqU17934@minbar.fourfold.org> From: BwanaE@aol.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Slickrock and Blue Lakes trip Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset="US-ASCII" ] [ 36 lines filtered. ] Attendees so far: Jeff Rogers......................D90 Rob Kerner......................88" Dave Brown.....................Disco Rich Luzzi.......................D90 Keith, Pam Sukait............Disco Jon, Emily Turner.............RR Barry, Lori Ellis................Disco Carl Tsigakis.................... ? Dan Mullan......................Disco John Wessels..................VW Vanagon Synchro (by special dispensation) Casey McMullen..............88" Chris Dow.......................D-110 Leslie Dow......................D-90 Jeremy Bartlett................D-90 Craig Kobayashi.............. ? Lance Waltjen................. ? Morgan Freeman.............ride-along Stu and Noni Convery......ride-along Tentative attendees: Tom Walsh......................D-90 Scott Rachfal...................Disco Eric Cope 1232 Appaloosa Road Angels Camp, CA. 95222 Home phone: 209-736-9279 Cell phone: 209-988-2842 E-mail: BwanaE@aol.com From bens Mon Jul 8 11:32:49 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g68FWnF18063 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 11:32:49 -0400 Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 11:32:48 -0400 Message-Id: <200207081532.g68FWmf18059@minbar.fourfold.org> From: BwanaE@aol.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Corrected attendee list for Blue Lakes Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset="US-ASCII" ] [ 51 lines filtered. ] Subj: Slickrock and Blue Lakes trip Date: 07/08/2002 8:22:40 AM Pacific Daylight Time From: Bwana E To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Attendees so far: Jeff Rogers......................D90 Rob Kerner......................88" Dave Brown.....................Disco Rich Luzzi.......................D90 Keith, Pam Sukait............Disco Jon, Emily Turner.............RR Barry, Lori Ellis................Disco Carl Tsigakis.................... ? Dan Mullan......................Disco John Wessels..................VW Vanagon Synchro (by special dispensation) Casey McMullen..............88" Chris Dow.......................D-110 Leslie Dow......................D-90 Jeremy Bartlett................D-90 Craig Kobayashi.............. ? Lance Waltjen................. ? Morgan Hannaford.............ride-along Stu and Noni Convery......ride-along Tentative attendees: Tom Walsh......................D-90 Scott Rachfal...................Disco Eric Cope 1232 Appaloosa Road Angels Camp, CA. 95222 Home phone: 209-736-9279 Cell phone: 209-988-2842 E-mail: BwanaE@aol.com Eric Cope 1232 Appaloosa Road Angels Camp, CA. 95222 Home phone: 209-736-9279 Cell phone: 209-988-2842 E-mail: BwanaE@aol.com From bens Mon Jul 8 11:57:58 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g68Fvwk18233 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 11:57:58 -0400 Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 11:57:58 -0400 Message-Id: <200207081557.g68FvwO18229@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: parabolic Q's Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org ...Didn't the Santanas have parabolics????????? (same truck, different name) If so, what shock did they use? Charles On Mon, 8 Jul 2002 10:57:40 -0400 TeriAnn Wakeman writes: > > > Since parabolics were never a Land Rover spring (except 101's) I > doubt if > any shock designed to go with LRs is truely correct. ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Mon Jul 8 12:09:26 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g68G9Qj18311 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 12:09:26 -0400 Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 12:09:25 -0400 Message-Id: <200207081609.g68G9PL18307@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Corrected attendee list for Blue Lakes Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I would LOVE to attend, but the girlfriend and I should be heading to Reno this weekend...sigh. (she'd like to move this trip back a week if possible, but can't) Charles ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Mon Jul 8 12:46:15 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g68GkFa18573 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 12:46:15 -0400 Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 12:46:15 -0400 Message-Id: <200207081646.g68GkFo18569@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: TW Re: Fwd: BP attitude and mendo people Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Well I was already irritated by his attitude when I had 4 out of 5 diff gaskets that were crappy, and he just passed it off! Then what he said about Dave Gomes not buying much recently, really got my goat. I guess he would be a lot nicer if we bought something each week? Bob B >Don't give up on BP just because every once and a while someone gets >upset. All in all they are a great group of people to deal with. I >don't know anyone who doesn't occasionally get angry over something and >say something while upset that would not ordinarly say and seldom think. > >Steve's usually a great guy to work with and thinks highly of the mendo >group. > >I believe that email was sent to me to forward to the group just after [ 18 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Mon Jul 8 12:47:56 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g68Glum18590 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 12:47:56 -0400 Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 12:47:55 -0400 Message-Id: <200207081647.g68GltW18586@minbar.fourfold.org> From: James Howard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Fwd: BP attitude and mendo people Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I won't be giving up on BP. I still like them, and realize nobody is perfect. Besides, when they have most everything I need and can get it to me in 2 days via UPS ground, it is kind of hard not to use them. I just want to get some comparisons when I am spending a lot of money. Sounds like I should at least try Wise Owl and Rovers Down South. TeriAnn Wakeman wrote: > Don't give up on BP just because every once and a while someone gets > upset. All in all they are a great group of people to deal with. I > don't know anyone who doesn't occasionally get angry over something and > say something while upset that would not ordinarly say and seldom think. > > Steve's usually a great guy to work with and thinks highly of the mendo > group. > > I believe that email was sent to me to forward to the group just after [ 18 additional quoted lines pruned. ] -- James Howard Naval Research Lab Code 7215, NPOI Project RR14, Box 447 Lake Mary Road Flagstaff, AZ 86001 +1-928-773-4868 (voice) +1-928-779-9568 (fax) James.Howard@nrl.navy.mil -or- jhoward@sextans.lowell.edu From bens Mon Jul 8 12:57:51 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g68GvpA18690 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 12:57:51 -0400 Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 12:57:51 -0400 Message-Id: <200207081657.g68Gvpc18686@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: TW Re: Fwd: BP attitude and mendo people Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "...Dave Gomes not buying much recently..." Ooh....I missed that! :^) I wish I HAD been buying more recently. That would probably at least mean I'd been DRIVING IT! Darned truck's in the garage since Charles stole my engine! I finally got a hunk of aluminum to make the adapter plate I need. So the MB power project should be moving again today with some initial machining. When the TRUCK will be moving again, well, that's anybody's guess. We'll see.... :^) -Dave G. From bens Mon Jul 8 12:59:36 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g68Gxan18713 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 12:59:36 -0400 Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 12:59:35 -0400 Message-Id: <200207081659.g68GxZh18709@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Russ Wilson To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Fwd: BP attitude and mendo people Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >I won't be giving up on BP. I still like them, and realize nobody is >perfect. Besides, when they have most everything I need and can get it >to me in 2 days via UPS ground, it is kind of hard not to use them. I >just want to get some comparisons when I am spending a lot of money. >Sounds like I should at least try Wise Owl and Rovers Down South. I try to get stuff from BP since I'm here in LA. It's hard to ignore a place that I can drive to in 30mins. If they don't have something then I'm left to shop around. I've bought from Rovers Down South and had good service from them. Wise Owl is a good choice as I don't think I've heard anyone say much or anything negative about them. YMMV Cheers RW -- "Your friend is the one you call to bail you out of jail. Your best friend is the one sitting next to you saying,'Dude, that was awesome!" From bens Mon Jul 8 13:09:23 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g68H9Nr18782 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 13:09:23 -0400 Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 13:09:23 -0400 Message-Id: <200207081709.g68H9Np18778@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "mpatrykus" To: Subject: Who else is out there? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org My favorite parts dealers are, in no particular order: Wise Owl (Just ordered parabolics from Ray) Rovers Down South (especially for OD parts) Thatched Roof Garage (He's in Kingsport, TN, and has great prices- even with shipping added. www.thatchedroofgarage.com ) ...And if you are looking for that unobtanium part, there's a guy in Niagara Falls, Ontario who is one of the most amazing Rover gurus you will ever speak to. Paul Safari Components, (905) 262-4448. I still get lots of consumables from BP but several times I have called for other parts and they aren't in stock or not carried any more. And regarding the new Kalifornia jerry can spout- just got one from BP. It's about half as long as the old flexible spout. It has a plastic bellows tip. It flows without having to be compressed and has an integrated pressure relief tube so you don't have to sit there while the jerry can goes glug glug glug. Mo Patrykus ------------------------------------------- Introducing NetZero Long Distance Unlimited Long Distance only $29.95/ month! Sign Up Today! www.netzerolongdistance.com From bens Mon Jul 8 13:11:05 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g68HB5p18823 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 13:11:05 -0400 Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 13:11:05 -0400 Message-Id: <200207081711.g68HB5V18819@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: TW Re: Fwd: BP attitude and mendo people Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Oh wow, what a bummer. I had stopped reading the note when I got to the bit about him not being on the list anymore. I didn't realize my character had been slandered with such wild accusations as "...Bet he buys out of England, too..." :^))) I am kind of disappointed that he didn't handle any problems he might have with me a little more directly, but I figure it's his loss one way or another. Just for the record, I've never bought LR parts from England. I have had some sent to me gratis by friends there, but never purchased. Bought my bulkhead stem repair panels from Steve, at 5x the price of ordering from England, shame on me. And the last series parts of any kind that I did buy, I bought from Steve. I use Europarts for range rover stuff, just because Mohamed has pulled me out of a couple of jams with his great service, and I am a loyalty kind of guy. Can't imagine where Steve got the idea I was trying to feel superior, or "needle" him. Oh well. No worries. -Dave G. From bens Mon Jul 8 13:21:46 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g68HLkk19013 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 13:21:46 -0400 Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 13:21:46 -0400 Message-Id: <200207081721.g68HLkT19009@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Who else is out there? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "....while the jerry can goes glug glug glug...." Spouts be darned. I had a chance on the 4th to use my jiggler syphon again. What a little modern marvel that thing is. Neat and clean, I don't have to hold the can while it drains, and I can get an extra 1/2 gallon in each can, since I don't have to leave space at the top to be able to pour it. I got mine from Rover Accessories, but I imagine they're available elsewhere. -Dave G. From bens Mon Jul 8 13:32:01 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g68HW1P19082 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 13:32:01 -0400 Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 13:32:01 -0400 Message-Id: <200207081732.g68HW1F19078@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Stirling Anderson To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Who else is out there? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- mpatrykus wrote: > > My favorite parts dealers are, in no particular > order: I haven't heard anyone mention TLR... Tennessee Land Rover I assume. http://www.tntlr.com/ I found a rear output flange for my series II there I couldn't find anywhere else, BP, AB and RN didn't even have it numbered in thier catalogs. It was in the original box, with all the anti-corrosion grease it had been dipped in still perfectly intact. Believe it or not, it was only a few dollars more than using a speedi sleeve. They have decent prices, and I always check them. Personally, it doesn't bother me who says what about whom, if someone has something cheaper, then I'll buy from them. I always go through all the parts I need at one time, write them up on a piece of paper and check nearly all the suppliers and order from the cheapest. Wise Owl of course has always been the most cordial of all parts suppliers in my experience, and is by far has been the best to deal with. The list is for friendly banter, and technical help in my opinion, parts suppliers are businesses... not friends. My $0.02 Stirling __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From bens Mon Jul 8 13:36:08 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g68Ha8j19117 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 13:36:08 -0400 Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 13:36:08 -0400 Message-Id: <200207081736.g68Ha8k19113@minbar.fourfold.org> From: James Howard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Who else is out there? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Kingsport TN? How come I saw zero Land Rovers in that part of the country when I was last there in January? Maybe I will have to send my cousin there to check them out. mpatrykus wrote: Thatched Roof Garage (He's in Kingsport, TN, and has great prices- even with shipping added. www.thatchedroofgarage.com ) From bens Mon Jul 8 14:15:44 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g68IFil19381 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 14:15:44 -0400 Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 14:15:44 -0400 Message-Id: <200207081815.g68IFiG19377@minbar.fourfold.org> From: James Howard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Who else is out there? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I drove by them in January. They have a *lot* of Series truck parked out front. I couldn't stop because I was with family and we were late for a gathering. Stirling Anderson wrote: I haven't heard anyone mention TLR... Tennessee Land Rover I assume. http://www.tntlr.com/ I found a rear output flange for my series II there I couldn't find anywhere else, BP, AB and RN didn't even have it numbered in thier catalogs. It was in the original box, with all the anti-corrosion grease it had been dipped in still perfectly intact. Believe it or not, it was only a few dollars more than using a speedi sleeve. They have decent prices, and I always check them. Personally, it doesn't bother me who says what about whom, if someone has something cheaper, then I'll buy from them. I always go through all the parts I need at one time, write them up on a piece of paper and check nearly all the suppliers and order from the cheapest. Wise Owl of course has always been the most cordial of all parts suppliers in my experience, and is by far has been the best to deal with. The list is for friendly banter, and technical help in my opinion, parts suppliers are businesses... not friends. My $0.02 Stirling From bens Mon Jul 8 14:33:29 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g68IXTl19493 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 14:33:29 -0400 Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 14:33:29 -0400 Message-Id: <200207081833.g68IXT319489@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: TW Re: Fwd: BP attitude and mendo people Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hey...you told me to steal it - then you helped me do it! :) Charles On Mon, 8 Jul 2002 12:57:51 -0400 "Gomes, David" writes: > >Darned truck's in the garage since Charles > stole my > engine! ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Mon Jul 8 14:33:37 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g68IXbZ19507 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 14:33:37 -0400 Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 14:33:36 -0400 Message-Id: <200207081833.g68IXab19503@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: TW Re: Fwd: BP attitude and mendo people Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I was in the "customer service" biz for the entire 15 years I worked for British Airways, and while I didn't see everything, I got pretty close, and this is typical of the things I used to put up with in my office from people that I worked with! Steve has no idea how fast his attitude can turn customers away: just because somebody hasn't bought anything in over a year doesn't mean that he's getting parts elswhere...maybe he doesn't need any parts! I didn't buy parts for TWO YEARS because I was poor! When I could afford to buy again, I bought both from England AND from BP. (diesel hot spots: $45.00 each from BP - $14.00 each from England... diesel head gasket: 25.00 from BP - $6.00 from England...used diesel crankchsfts: $40.00 in England, $700.00 here!) Order the right parts, and the shipping charges are dissolved into the total cost vs. paying for the stuff here. My main bitch about the major parts suppliers in the USA is the prices: I KNOW what's involved in getting shipments here - I did it for 15 years - and I honestly can't see how they justify charging some of their prices for parts that you can get from England for a fraction of the cost. Remember when I was rebuilding a gearbox for Gillian several years ago? BP wanted $471.00 for a 1st speed maingear, when that same gear cost about $35.00 in England! In a business, customer service is EVERYTHING: having the parts in stock and moving them on a fairly rapid basis is even better. Treat the customer right everytime - wether you like them or not - and there WON'T be any problems with them. ...Maybe that's why I'm still unemployed...maybe I should open up my own LR parts biz?... Charles On Mon, 8 Jul 2002 13:11:05 -0400 "Gomes, David" writes: > > Oh wow, what a bummer. I had stopped reading the note when I got to > the bit > about him not being on the list anymore. I didn't realize my > character had > been slandered with such wild accusations as "...Bet he buys out of > England, > too..." > [ 27 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Mon Jul 8 14:51:08 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g68Ip8s19648 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 14:51:08 -0400 Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 14:51:08 -0400 Message-Id: <200207081851.g68Ip8H19644@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: " mendo rec list" Subject: Re: parabolic Q's Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >...Didn't the Santanas have parabolics????????? (same truck, different >name) If so, what shock did they use? Santanas switched from leaf springs to Parabolics, I believe in the early mid 1980's. I think it is about the time they also went to disc front brakes and power steering. They also had a very different six cylinder engine than the Land Rover, used a different gearbox than the series (at least in the eighties), had a lot of metric fixings and a military version that looked quite different from Land Rover Military vehicles. While there were built under license, they were different vehicles. TeriAnn Wakeman If you send me direct mail, please Santa Cruz, California start the subject line with TW - twakeman@cruzers.com I will be sure to read the message http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 From bens Mon Jul 8 14:57:22 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g68IvMb19854 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 14:57:22 -0400 Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 14:57:21 -0400 Message-Id: <200207081857.g68IvL019850@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: An actual Land Rover question :^) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Cheryl's Rangie is hitting 118k so I'm gearing up to do a "60,000 mile-like" service. I would like to replace the bearing in the v-belt idler pulley, but I'd rather not do the job twice (take it off once to figure out how to change the bearing and get the number, then again to do it), OR have the truck down for a couple of days. So I thought I'd ask here in case anyone has a seized one they'd like to get rid of. Not sure why, but I think if Paul A. drove a Rangie, he'd have one lying around waiting for me to ask.... :^) The truck has had new coolant, water pump, and thermostat, a swivel preload adjust, and all new wheel bearings within the last year, so I think this service will be limited to air, fuel, and trans filters, and changing fluid in the t case and diffs. I'd like to add in doing the idler bearing, and maybe plugs and wires, since I haven't done those. -Dave G. From bens Mon Jul 8 15:20:49 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g68JKnA20030 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 15:20:49 -0400 Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 15:20:49 -0400 Message-Id: <200207081920.g68JKnG20026@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: An actual Land Rover question :^) ...and some..... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- "Gomes, David" wrote: > > Cheryl's Rangie is hitting 118k so I'm gearing up to do a > "60,000 mile-like" > service. I would like to replace the bearing in the > v-belt idler pulley, > but I'd rather not do the job twice (take it off once to > figure out how to > change the bearing and get the number, then again to do > it), OR have the [ 7 additional quoted lines pruned. ] that's IF I still drove a rangie...it's been four/five? yars since I had Squeak.........but....I did replace mine...I'll try to see if I can find the old one in the rover parts when I get back to Fremont in a couple days, ok? ....or I could canabalize the one off Joe's '89 that is still sitting in fromt of my house waiting for the go ahead to tear the heads off and get to it....hmmmmmm Wonder if Joe would notice? he's having bmw troubld right now....by the way Dave...what do you know of the BMW deisel engines? in particulat the one from the 524? or similar designation. it's apparently the one used in Europe from the factory on some rangies......or was ten years ago...anyone else? just anidea for putting into Joe's 89 rangie if we can find the right stock parts from ol' blighty! ;-) and maybe also having one put in his 325 conv. that is stuck in New Mex with a bad engine...I think the rangies with this engine were great on the roads, but I hear no gust off road as all torque is at highter rpm...but who knows... > maybe plugs and wires, since I haven't done those. I'd definately say get on with it with the plugs and wires! Last week, I installed a set of Boscke platinum 4's and I forget the brand of 8mm wires, but there was an amazing difference from the old manky super-wide gapped nkg's I took out(of course it didn't hurt that the #7 plug wire had fallen off!!!!! ;-0 So Tom, we now know why I had NO POWER the other day on the hills!!! ;-) All better....nice and gutsy again! Paul __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From bens Mon Jul 8 15:30:25 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g68JUPh20094 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 15:30:25 -0400 Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 15:30:25 -0400 Message-Id: <200207081930.g68JUP320090@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Tom Walsh" To: Subject: Re: Tom Walsh! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I'll have to check, I'm not sure if I've got the July LRW yet I did make the cover in Jan 01 of LRW while in Moab :) TomW ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles R Irvin" To: Sent: Monday, July 08, 2002 12:11 AM Subject: Tom Walsh! > > ...Is that you and your D-90 in Moab on page 46 of the July LRW??? > > Charles > > > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! [ 3 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Mon Jul 8 15:30:34 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g68JUY420114 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 15:30:34 -0400 Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 15:30:34 -0400 Message-Id: <200207081930.g68JUYh20110@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Tom Walsh" To: Subject: Re: Another Tom Walsh sighting Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org OK, whats all this about? I don't recall ever being on an album cover? TomW ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gomes, David" To: Sent: Monday, July 08, 2002 7:39 AM Subject: RE: Another Tom Walsh sighting > > I was listening to a CD the other night. It's called "Timeless", and it's a > bunch of modern artists (Keb Mo, Mark Knopfler, Beck, Sheryl Crow, Bob > Dylan, etc.) doing Hank Williams tunes. A really great CD, by the way. But > the pix of Hank in the liner notes are from, I think, a little later in his > life than you usually see, and I wondered, "Why is that face so familiar???" > And then it hit me! > > That's Tom Walsh! > > Check it out....You'll see.... :^) > > -Dave G. > > PS- do these proverbial kids who've grown up knowing only CDs still call the > little pamphlets "liner notes", and do they know why? > From bens Mon Jul 8 15:30:59 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g68JUxX20134 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 15:30:59 -0400 Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 15:30:59 -0400 Message-Id: <200207081930.g68JUxe20130@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Tom Walsh" To: Subject: Re: back from our Nevada reccee... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Sounds cool...err... hot, what were the temps? TomW ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason Pipes" To: Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2002 2:28 AM Subject: back from our Nevada reccee... > > For those interested, we're back from our reccee of northwestern Nevada for > the upcoming NCRC Nevada desert trip July 26, 27 and 28. We left late > afternoon on Wed and got home about an hour ago. > > During our reccee we traveled about 1,000 miles and managed to circumnavigate > a route from SF to Reno to Sutcliffe on the western shore of Pyramid Lake, > north around its northern shore, through Emerson Pass, overland across the > vast Smoke Creek Desert, to Gerlach, over the Black Rock Desert, through the > Calico Mountains to High Rock Lake, through High Rock Canyon up to Massacre > Lake, over to Vya, down to Leadville, through the Granite Mountains, back > across the western side of the Smoke Creek Desert, through Sand Pass, back > to Sutcliffe, and finally to Reno and SF. And that was just the general > route we took, we explored *numerous* trails the entire way as the point was > ultimately to find an overland and offroad route that would travel from > Pyramid Lake to High Rock Canyon and back. > > We managed to travel about 400+ miles on poorly maintained dirt roads and > about 200 miles on trails or overland routes specifically. It was a > tremendously rewarding reccee as we managed to record GPS cords for the > entire region, including trails and overland routes that were nothing more > than faded ruts across miles of desert floor or hidden back country canyons. > Everywhere we recced was/is 100% open and accessible to offroad vehicles. > The fact that in many places it looked like no one had driven in years was > very exciting. We also came across numerous herds of Antelopes and wild > horses. During the entire time from Sutcliffe and back, not counting the > time in Gerlach or on "major" roads, we passed 1 vehicle. On the trails > specifically, we saw no other vehicles at all. > > We managed to find many excellent routes and will now begin the process of > pulling together the mounds of data that we've collected into a specific [ 1 additional quoted lines pruned. ] and > driving a lot, but the variety in scenery and trail types and the many > options for side trips, camping spots, points of interest, and alternative > trails will make this trip worthwhile for almost everyone. We even managed > to pick up some additional materials from the BLM reps we spoke with to hand > out to the first 10 trucks that sign up/RSVP for this event! This is in > addition to the materials we've already gathered from the USGS regarding > this region of Nevada. > > I'm really excited about this trip. If you have even the slightest interest > in deserts or have never experienced desert travel before, I promise you > this trip will astound you. Anyway, enough pumping the event, We'll post the > specific details of the trip ASAP. > > If you have any questions about the upcoming trip or about this reccee in > particular, let me know! > > Thanks for reading, > > Jason Pipes > jpipes@feldgrau.com [ 5 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Mon Jul 8 15:56:12 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g68JuCD20290 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 15:56:12 -0400 Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 15:56:11 -0400 Message-Id: <200207081956.g68JuBs20286@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: back from our Nevada reccee... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org The temps were slated to be in the upper 90s in most areas we were exploring, but they only got really hot on the playa and near the Smoke Creek Desert, the other areas were warm but very tolerable and not too hot at all. Much of the time we were 4,000-8,000ft, so that helped as well. jpipes > >Sounds cool...err... hot, what were the temps? > >TomW >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Jason Pipes" >To: >Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2002 2:28 AM >Subject: back from our Nevada reccee... [ 67 additional quoted lines pruned. ] -- Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 From bens Mon Jul 8 15:59:19 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g68JxJc20315 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 15:59:19 -0400 Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 15:59:19 -0400 Message-Id: <200207081959.g68JxJK20311@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Fil F." To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Slickrock and Blue Lakes trip Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org gina and i might show up on saturday am with the D90 fil -ASCII" ] > [ 36 lines filtered. ] > > >Attendees so far: > >Jeff Rogers......................D90 >Rob Kerner......................88" >Dave Brown.....................Disco >Rich Luzzi.......................D90 [ 28 additional quoted lines pruned. ] _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From bens Mon Jul 8 16:07:07 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g68K77V20420 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 16:07:07 -0400 Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 16:07:07 -0400 Message-Id: <200207082007.g68K77s20416@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Corrected attendee list for Blue Lakes Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org here's another tenative attendee! ;-) Me! (I thought i had sent a note last week, but apparently it didn't go through...) It's about time I started showing up on more of the trips this year, huh? So...depending on if I can get my gear together in time, I'll be trying to head up friday night. Looking forward to the fun! ;-) Paul (probably in the disco, but maybe in Elgie...we'll see..) --- BwanaE@aol.com wrote: > > [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] > [ text/html; charset="US-ASCII" ] > [ 51 lines filtered. ] > > > Subj: Slickrock and Blue Lakes trip > Date: 07/08/2002 8:22:40 AM Pacific Daylight Time > From: Bwana E [ 2 additional quoted lines pruned. ] HREF="mailto:mendo_recce@fourfold.org">mendo_recce@fourfold.org > > > > > Attendees so far: > > Jeff Rogers......................D90 > Rob Kerner......................88" > Dave Brown.....................Disco [ 39 additional quoted lines pruned. ] __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From bens Mon Jul 8 16:16:03 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g68KG3d20529 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 16:16:03 -0400 Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 16:16:03 -0400 Message-Id: <200207082016.g68KG3G20525@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: Who else is out there? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- "Gomes, David" wrote: > > "....while the jerry can goes glug glug glug...." > > Spouts be darned. I had a chance on the 4th to use my > jiggler syphon again. > What a little modern marvel that thing is. Neat and > clean, I don't have to > hold the can while it drains, and I can get an extra 1/2 > gallon in each can, [ 4 additional quoted lines pruned. ] I thnk so...I picked up a couple from Rover Accessories a few years ago. and love them. I need ot go buy a few more for my dad and some of his friends after giving them a demonstration! ;-) Dave, where do you place the can when you use your jiggler?I love being able to place the can on the rack above the spare tire, start the jiggle, and let it go while doing whatever else I feel like! ;-) ....but most discos and rangies don't have sometihng like that, so I guess the roof rack? again for the sries, since Elgie is a p-up and has the truck box, it site right there fine. Paul __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From bens Mon Jul 8 16:20:20 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g68KKKi20568 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 16:20:20 -0400 Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 16:20:20 -0400 Message-Id: <200207082020.g68KKKZ20564@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Another Tom Walsh sighting Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- Tom Walsh wrote: > > OK, whats all this about? I don't recall ever being on an > album cover? from my knowledge of hank williams Jr.....it sounds like an insult to me! ;-) Shame on you Dave! ;-0 Now I gotta see the image...scan it and send me a image! I'm sure Tom wants to see it too. Paul > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gomes, David" > To: > Sent: Monday, July 08, 2002 7:39 AM > Subject: RE: Another Tom Walsh sighting > > > > > > I was listening to a CD the other night. It's called [ 27 additional quoted lines pruned. ] __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From bens Mon Jul 8 16:37:17 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g68KbHN20713 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 16:37:17 -0400 Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 16:37:16 -0400 Message-Id: <200207082037.g68KbGT20709@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Cc: "Home (E-mail)" Subject: RE: Another Tom Walsh sighting Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 10 lines filtered. ] I'll scan the picture and send it to you when I get home....It's uncanny, really.... :^) -Dave G. PS - send it to you providing lovely Qwest has my phone service back up. It's been down 2 days. From bens Mon Jul 8 16:41:00 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g68Kf0R20787 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 16:41:00 -0400 Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 16:40:59 -0400 Message-Id: <200207082040.g68KexR20783@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Tom Walsh" To: Subject: Re: Another Tom Walsh sighting Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hey! What'd I ever do to you? TomW ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Archibald" To: Sent: Monday, July 08, 2002 1:20 PM Subject: Re: Another Tom Walsh sighting > > > --- Tom Walsh wrote: > > > > OK, whats all this about? I don't recall ever being on an > > album cover? > from my knowledge of hank williams Jr.....it sounds like an > insult to me! ;-) Shame on you Dave! ;-0 Now I gotta > see the image...scan it and send me a image! I'm sure Tom [ 24 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Mon Jul 8 16:53:16 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g68KrGv20874 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 16:53:16 -0400 Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 16:53:16 -0400 Message-Id: <200207082053.g68KrGR20870@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Another Tom Walsh sighting Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- Tom Walsh wrote: > > Hey! What'd I ever do to you? Nah! don' worry! Ol' Hank Sr was a cool guy not like jr(real suave from what I heard, and he actually could sing and play better too....right dave?) Paul > > TomW > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Archibald" > To: > Sent: Monday, July 08, 2002 1:20 PM > Subject: Re: Another Tom Walsh sighting > > [ 15 additional quoted lines pruned. ] __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From bens Mon Jul 8 17:21:36 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g68LLav21037 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 17:21:36 -0400 Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 17:21:36 -0400 Message-Id: <200207082121.g68LLa321033@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Who else is out there? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 41 lines filtered. ] "...I need to go buy a few more...." John Lee has them at http://www.expeditionexchange.com. Lots in stock. And like I've said before, John has my old D-90, so he needs the patronage... :^) As far as where to put the can, my Disco had a roof rack so I either had the can up there, or I'd use an ancra strap to hang the can from the rack while I let it drain. On the G I can either put the can on the wheel well inside the rear loadspace, or hang it on the spare tire. The ancra strap from the roof rack actually worked pretty well as I could hang the can with one corner low and the jiggler would pull all but the last couple of tablespoons of gas out of it. It would be neat to make a can mount for the roof rack that oriented the cans with one corner low. As much for the conversation value of why they were like that, as for the practical value of being able to drain them without moving them. I found a great source for cheap aluminum extrusions, so I'm thinking of building my own roof rack for the G. Gotta invest in the helium bottle, wire, and new liner for the MIG too though. -Dave From bens Mon Jul 8 17:22:57 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g68LMvD21056 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 17:22:57 -0400 Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 17:22:57 -0400 Message-Id: <200207082122.g68LMv921052@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: An actual Land Rover question :^) ...and some..... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "...I'll try to see if I can find the old one in the rover parts when I get back to Fremont in a couple days,..." That would be fantastic. Why did I know you'd have one???? :^) Sorry, but I don't know anything about BMW diesels. -Dave G. From bens Mon Jul 8 17:41:28 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g68LfSp21187 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 17:41:28 -0400 Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 17:41:28 -0400 Message-Id: <200207082141.g68LfSZ21183@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: An actual Land Rover question :^) ...and some..... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- "Gomes, David" wrote: > > "...I'll try to see if I can find the old one in the > rover parts when I get back to Fremont in a couple > days,..." > > That would be fantastic. Why did I know you'd have > one???? :^) we'll see......I have to admit, I have actually thrown a lot of things away in the past eight years since moving from San Jose to Fremont(read ~2500# of motorcycle parts many new....before e-bay), and may no longer have it, crossing fingers.... > > Sorry, but I don't know anything about BMW diesels. too bad. I'm really curious, as I have a feeling that the 3.9 in The Light Brigace will only last anohter couple years, at the most before I have to atl east tear off the heads and re-work the top end....at that time, as usual for me, I will want to come up with somethihng different, eithre more power or convert over to a Deisel lump of some kind.....who knows, may find a deal oin a 300 tdi will show up by than. Paul (appologise for bad typing...can't see straignt right now, problem with my eyes from not being able to sleep for a few days.) ;-( __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From bens Mon Jul 8 17:52:49 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g68Lqn421319 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 17:52:49 -0400 Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 17:52:49 -0400 Message-Id: <200207082152.g68LqnB21314@minbar.fourfold.org> From: joe mulqueen To: mendo Subject: Re: parabolic Q's Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hello, Parabolic suspension feel is subjective. Some people won't tolerate the quirks - and some will for certain benefits. I started out with recomended 2 leaves in the front and 4 in the back (Rocky Mtn 109SW setup), Explorer shocks (neutral opinion) and longer front brake hoses. Haven't yet installed my longer check straps. Anyway, the rear seemed to high and felt too hard so I switched to 3 leafers. I'm now satisfied (especially because I rarely load more than 500lb). However, when I have 700+lb on board, the rear sags a bit and I can feel an oversteering tendancy when turning at highway speeds. Is that bad? Maybe but many RWD sports cars I've driven also oversteered so I'm kinda used to it. And as mentioned by others, there's more to suspension and handling than just leaves and shocks. Action is also affected by shackle bushing design (clamped rubber or lubed poly), lack of sway bars, castor angles, CG and weight distribution. Joe Mulqueen '67 SIIA 109SW PRESIDENT - Light Green 109 SW Owners Club PS.My 4 leafer Rocky Mtn springs are available for loan to those wanting to experiment. Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 01:29:43 -0400 From: "Tom Walsh" Subject: Re: parabolic Q's > > Stubby is very light and I wonder if > > the 3 leafs > > are just too much or a little PU. > maybe! simple solution is to put in a load to utilize the > springs better, maybe two fuel cans and two water cans > along with the spare tire back there? I have that with the > two-leafers, and it's fine except for the heavy bumps, > where I have felt some bottoming out. Tom has Nebraska set > up with parabolics as well, but don't recall if they are [ 2 additional quoted lines pruned. ] I have the three leafs in back, two in front and Bilstiens all around, the Bil's actually provide about 1/2 inch of lift all around combined with the military shackles and parabolics, its hard to say what components do what? but it sits fairly level and rides nicer than the stock setup ( although Joe think my truck sucks ) and I'm happy with how it handles. Also I have a spare tire, jerry can and large tool bin/box in the back. TomW __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From bens Mon Jul 8 17:57:19 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g68LvJo21365 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 17:57:19 -0400 Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 17:57:19 -0400 Message-Id: <200207082157.g68LvJN21361@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jeff Rogers To: Mendo Recce List Subject: Stock rims Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Anyone have a set of stock 16" rims they want to unload? My dad wants a second set rims for his discoII. Please send me email directly, jeffrogers@earthlink.net. Thanks! -->Jeff From bens Mon Jul 8 18:02:51 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g68M2pP21411 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 18:02:51 -0400 Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 18:02:50 -0400 Message-Id: <200207082202.g68M2oM21407@minbar.fourfold.org> From: joe mulqueen To: mendo Subject: Rovers Down South Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org The guy from RDS is a former 60's - 70's SF / North Bay resident. When I dealt with him for a few OD parts last year, he made a whimsical comment about Sonoma County. Joe Mulqueen '67 SIIA 109 SW Cotati, CA __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From bens Mon Jul 8 18:12:38 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g68MCc921467 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 18:12:38 -0400 Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 18:12:38 -0400 Message-Id: <200207082212.g68MCc421463@minbar.fourfold.org> From: joe mulqueen To: mendo Subject: series parts places Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Ray also has a seasoned, "proper" accent! JoeMulqueen Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 12:59:35 -0400 From: Russ Wilson Subject: Re: Fwd: BP attitude and mendo people ..........Wise Owl is a good choice as I don't think I've heard anyone say much or anything negative about them. Cheers RW __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From bens Mon Jul 8 18:14:49 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g68MEn621482 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 18:14:49 -0400 Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 18:14:49 -0400 Message-Id: <200207082214.g68MEnZ21478@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Stock rims Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org before you go buy any 16" wheels, don't the disco-two's have different bolt pattersn ala the rangie-two??? you wouldn't want to get him a set that are not gonna fit.... just checking....(do they make 16" wheels for d-II's?? thought only in the big sizes....) Paul --- Jeff Rogers wrote: > > > > Anyone have a set of stock 16" rims they want to unload? > My dad wants a > second set rims for his discoII. Please send me email > directly, > jeffrogers@earthlink.net. Thanks! -->Jeff > [ 1 additional quoted lines pruned. ] __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From bens Mon Jul 8 18:28:16 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g68MSGq21580 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 18:28:16 -0400 Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 18:28:16 -0400 Message-Id: <200207082228.g68MSG721576@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Stock rims Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "....don't the disco-two's have different bolt pattern ala the rangie-two?...." Yes they do. Steel wheels used on Series, Defender, DI, and RR classic won't fit new shape rangie or DII. -Dave G. From bens Mon Jul 8 18:32:46 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g68MWkD21627 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 18:32:46 -0400 Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 18:32:46 -0400 Message-Id: <200207082232.g68MWkg21623@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Turner, Jon [LFS]" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Stock rims Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; ] [ 25 lines filtered. ] This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. charset="iso-8859-1" That's correct, the D2 and RR2 have the same bolt pattern, different from the other LRs. I've seen a number of rim sets for sale, as people sell the 16 inch rims to buy 18 inch rims. I bought one set for <$200, shipping included (either LRX SCLR or ebay, forget which). Just gotta watch the web and keep your eyes open. Jon From bens Mon Jul 8 18:37:02 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g68Mb2u21666 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 18:37:02 -0400 Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 18:37:02 -0400 Message-Id: <200207082237.g68Mb2d21662@minbar.fourfold.org> From: joe mulqueen To: mendo Subject: RE. Charles and Karen's Excellent Adventure, Charles' SCLR Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Wait a sec! What about all the mishaps we have up here? Roll overs, munched CV joints, double broken half shafts, etc. Who breaks more parts - the Bay Hip Northern wine and cheese crowd or the smoggy Socal Corona drinkers? I don't know but I still insist there are nice, fun Land Rover enthusiasts everywhere. Also, the big bear event is sponsored by 3 LR clubs - not just SCLR. Joe Mulqueen (tired of being a public defender!) '67 SIIA 109SW Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 06:55:52 -0400 From: "Turner, Jon [LFS]" Subject: RE: RE. Charles and Karen's Excellent Adventure, Charles' SCLR I have to agree with Charles' comments about the SCLR folks. Emily and I passed through there on the way back from picking our 110 up in Texas, timed it to coincide with Randy's summer party and the SCLR Area 51 trip. There was a lot of 'cowboy' driving. A D2 went over on it's side, another got sideways on a hill and had to be strapped, and a couple of Discos and one D90 saw various parts of their running gear (axles, diffs, transfer cases) shred to the point that they had to be towed......... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From bens Mon Jul 8 19:59:25 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g68NxPJ22153 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 19:59:25 -0400 Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 19:59:25 -0400 Message-Id: <200207082359.g68NxPk22149@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Peter Hope" To: Subject: Re: Who else is out there? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > "....while the jerry can goes glug glug glug...." > > Spouts be darned. I had a chance on the 4th to use my jiggler syphon again. Now that sounds like a great little item. I don't use a nozzle, the Series is easy as hell to fill, just put the lip of the can on the tube and lift the can. But the idea of not having to "lift" the can sounds pleasing. Pete From bens Mon Jul 8 20:10:02 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g690A2122215 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 20:10:02 -0400 Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 20:10:02 -0400 Message-Id: <200207090010.g690A2R22211@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Tom Walsh" To: Subject: Re: An actual Land Rover question :^) ...and some..... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > > Sorry, but I don't know anything about BMW diesels. > too bad. I'm really curious, as I have a feeling that the > 3.9 in The Light Brigace will only last anohter couple > years, at the most before I have to atl east tear off the > heads and re-work the top end....at that time, as usual for > me, I will want to come up with somethihng different, > eithre more power or convert over to a Deisel lump of some > kind.....who knows, may find a deal oin a 300 tdi will show > up by than. Err... theres nothing wrong with that engine Paul ( assuming you have all spark plug wires hooked up! ) TomW :) From bens Mon Jul 8 20:20:17 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g690KHH22270 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 20:20:17 -0400 Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 20:20:17 -0400 Message-Id: <200207090020.g690KHo22266@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: An actual Land Rover question :^) ...and some..... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- Tom Walsh wrote: > > me, I will want to come up with somethihng different, > > eithre more power or convert over to a Deisel lump of > some > > kind.....who knows, may find a deal oin a 300 tdi will > show > > up by than. > > Err... theres nothing wrong with that engine Paul ( > assuming you have all [ 1 additional quoted lines pruned. ] Yeah! I'm willing to bet I could have saved some cash and not even changed the plugs/wires, ore ven changed the filter and oil and it would have ran like the chan=mp it is, but I have had a sneaky suspision ever since the Mass airflowpopped off in Anzo Borrego out int he nasty powdery stuff and sucked up a bunch before I could stop and re-attach the poor thing....that the engine live has been drasticly shortened. It does tend to drink a good amount of oil, but I know some rovers just do....so maybve I am just being my usual paranoid self? ;-) Nothing new there, I have always complained about the motor in all my motorcycles/cars/trucks as being worn-out gutless, and than my friends drive them and are surprised at the power that is there. ;-) Afte all I feel Elgie is putting much less power out that I expect, but I can still lay tracks and out-accelerate most other people ;-0 (really should put in the new axle shafts...now where are they!!!!! But I know there is much more potential power than from an old tired boat motor that was not even re-built before tossing in the rover frame.... Paul __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From bens Mon Jul 8 20:25:42 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g690Pgo22305 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 20:25:42 -0400 Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 20:25:41 -0400 Message-Id: <200207090025.g690PfK22301@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Who else is out there? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "...Series is easy as hell to fill..." Agreed. That extension tube is a great tool. The only gripes I had about pouring form the can were holding the can up while it drained, having to leave air at the top of the can to facilitate easier pouring without a mess (but that could be just my own ineptitude in operating the can!), and not being able to quite get all of the fuel out of the can before the can runs into the bodywork, even with the extension tube (this is of course on the SW tank. The under-seat aux tank I have is easy to pour straight into the top of and completely empty the can). The jiggler took care of all those things. I think I've said before, the only improvement I'd make is to get a short piece of tubing that would be a tight fit over the tubing and the jiggler valve so I could make the thing a closed system for storage. I haven't spent any time digging into exactly what's the right size tubing to accomplish this though. -Dave G. From bens Mon Jul 8 20:30:00 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g690U0F22331 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 20:30:00 -0400 Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 20:30:00 -0400 Message-Id: <200207090030.g690U0b22327@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: Who else is out there? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- "Gomes, David" wrote: >I think I've said before, the only improvement > I'd make is to get a > short piece of tubing that would be a tight fit over the > tubing and the > jiggler valve so I could make the thing a closed system > for storage. I > haven't spent any time digging into exactly what's the > right size tubing to > accomplish this though. I aggree! I hate the gassy smell it gives off as the last drops of fule evaporate inside the rover.....hence putting it in the truck box in Elgie, but in HTe L/B that's another story.... Paul __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From bens Mon Jul 8 20:31:42 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g690Vga22358 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 20:31:42 -0400 Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 20:31:42 -0400 Message-Id: <200207090031.g690Vgr22354@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: An actual Land Rover question :^) ...and some..... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Oh yeah, One note on the tune-up. I used to sing the praises of Bosch Platinum plugs for smoothing out an engine. That is until the counter jockey gave me the wrong ones for a tune-up of Cheryl's Subaru. Since I couldn't put the BPs in, I just re-gapped the old plugs. It ran silky smooth, just like my experience with other cars I HAD put the BPs into. So, now I sing the praises of a proper, even spark gap. Seems to make more difference than the brand of plugs (I still like the BPs - not +4 as they're not easily gapable). Sort of like the oil change thing, where the brand of oil or filter you use can make less difference than just DOING the changes on schedule, what brand of plug you use is probably less important than keeping them properly maintained (gapped). Just a thought....or maybe I'm just needling you.... :^) -Dave G. From bens Mon Jul 8 20:33:43 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g690Xh822373 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 20:33:43 -0400 Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 20:33:43 -0400 Message-Id: <200207090033.g690XhQ22369@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Who else is out there? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "...I hate the gassy smell it gives off as the last drops of fule evaporate inside the rover..." This of course presumes you can distinguish those from other general rover smells, but I used to carry mine in a heavy-duty zip-lock bag when I had to have it inside the plushies. -Dave G. From bens Mon Jul 8 20:35:43 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g690ZhD22407 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 20:35:43 -0400 Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 20:35:43 -0400 Message-Id: <200207090035.g690Zh622403@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: An actual Land Rover question :^) ...and some..... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "...So, now I sing the praises of a proper, even spark gap...." Reminds me of the old Cheech and Chong bit... "I used to be all messed up on drugs.....But since I found The Lord....Now I'm all messed up on The Lord..." :^) -Dave G. From bens Mon Jul 8 20:47:35 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g690lZk22478 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 20:47:35 -0400 Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 20:47:34 -0400 Message-Id: <200207090047.g690lYh22474@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: An actual Land Rover question :^) ...and some..... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- "Gomes, David" wrote: > > Oh yeah, > > One note on the tune-up. I used to sing the praises of > Bosch Platinum plugs > for smoothing out an engine. Me too! than used a set of others as you did,a d you are right on the money! > oil or filter you use can make less difference than just > DOING the changes > on schedule, what brand of plug you use is probably less > important than > keeping them properly maintained (gapped). > > Just a thought....or maybe I'm just needling you.... :^) Yeah! Neadling....ya byastid! ;-) Honestly, I went to the store looking for NGK's but all they had for the idsco in stock ere the bosche plus4 or autolight.....I have been curious about the +4's fotr a while as they are reminiscent of the aircraft plugs I am used to.....but it is true...you really can't gap them at all (ok! I can, but am used to gapping aviation plugs, but it's a PITA!! One note on the Engine condition......all eight plugs I pulled were that perfect golden brown, with a little bit of crud from allt eh miles put on them......and a huge gap! Paul __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From bens Mon Jul 8 21:08:55 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6918t622562 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 21:08:55 -0400 Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 21:08:55 -0400 Message-Id: <200207090108.g6918td22558@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Eric Johnson" To: , Subject: Monitor Pass Sighting Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Sighted a yellowish/brown 109 with either a white top or a Dormobile roof heading West over Monitor Pass Saturday evening around 8 p.m. By the sound of it, I don't think it was powered by the mighty Rover 4. Sorry if this is a double post, as I wrote this earlier today. eric '90 RR '62 IIA 88" From bens Mon Jul 8 21:33:21 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g691XLs22695 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 21:33:21 -0400 Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 21:33:21 -0400 Message-Id: <200207090133.g691XLV22691@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Peter Hope" To: Subject: Re: Who else is out there? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > The only gripes I had about > pouring form the can were holding the can up while it drained, Here, here. Arthritis is getting to the point that just lifting the can that hi hurts :-) Pete From bens Mon Jul 8 22:03:13 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6923Dh22840 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 22:03:13 -0400 Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 22:03:13 -0400 Message-Id: <200207090203.g6923D922836@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jeremy Bartlett To: mendo Subject: Re: Disco Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Joe, Unfortunately there's no hard and fast rule on which year Disco is best. It comes down to how the vehicle has been treated. Has it been religiously serviced at the dealer and had aggressive warranty work done? I've seen some real "roaches" that haven't seen service in months (years??) priced the similarly to well maintained up to date vehicles. On the D1's there are 3 big differences: 1) 94/95 2) 96 and 3)97-99. 94/95 are simpler and hence less prone to check engine lights. 96 is a step up in complexity (OBDII) without complex gas EVAP systems from '97 on the EVAP system is present (you've heard of the loose gas cap check engine light right?..). DII versus DI comes down to what you prefer features wise. My personal tastes would run toa 94-96 DI but that's just me. My best advice is find an experienced LR mechanic near you and pay him to check the vehicle out for you. Jeremy From bens Mon Jul 8 22:07:24 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6927Oh22870 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 22:07:24 -0400 Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 22:07:24 -0400 Message-Id: <200207090207.g6927Oe22866@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jeremy Bartlett To: mendo Subject: Re: Slickrock and Blue Lakes Trip Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >John Wessels..................VW Vanagon Synchro (by special dispensation) Hm.... I can see the newsletter cover photo now :) Jeremy From bens Mon Jul 8 22:11:54 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g692Bsq22901 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 22:11:54 -0400 Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 22:11:54 -0400 Message-Id: <200207090211.g692Bsj22897@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jeremy Bartlett To: mendo Subject: Parts Sources (was BP.... ) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "...Bet he buys out of England, too..." This prompts me to chip in.... Don't write of parts from the UK. I've been able to get parts air mail from the UK just about as quick as UPS from RN or BP at less cost. While we're at it I'll put in a good word for Tim Britnell at Dingocroft.... very friendly when I finally met him personally and basically running a good business (ask BP why they scooped one of Dingocroft's staff :) ...) Jeremy From bens Mon Jul 8 22:14:23 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g692ENU22918 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 22:14:23 -0400 Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 22:14:23 -0400 Message-Id: <200207090214.g692ENG22914@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Peter Ogilvie To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Santana 6 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Actually it's not such a radically different six cylinder engine. Hear tell it was a 4 cylinder 2 1/4 with an additional 2 cylinders grafted on. Aloha Peter O. --- TeriAnn Wakeman wrote: They also had a very > different six cylinder > engine than the Land Rover, __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From bens Mon Jul 8 22:17:14 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g692HE122957 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 22:17:14 -0400 Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 22:17:14 -0400 Message-Id: <200207090217.g692HE822953@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Mehdi Saghafi To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Parts Sources (was BP.... ) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org While we're at it I'll put in a good word for Tim Britnell at Dingocroft I second that. He worked with me on a couple of orders. Got great deals for me and ALL the parts that was necessary to do the job. (he did my work for me.) Mehdi From bens Mon Jul 8 22:20:03 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g692K3Y22984 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 22:20:03 -0400 Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 22:20:03 -0400 Message-Id: <200207090220.g692K3h22980@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Slickrock and Blue Lakes Trip Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- Jeremy Bartlett wrote: > > >John Wessels..................VW Vanagon Synchro (by > special > dispensation) > > Hm.... I can see the newsletter cover photo now :) Yeah! just what I need video footage of BOTH my rovers being recovered by a vw synchro! ;-0 It was bad enough at the synchro-de maya when Elgie had to be pulled outa a mud-waller after a little "incident" Have you seen the footage of John at Moab? That rig is amazing! ;-) Makes me want to get crazy with my brothers synchro, but he'd kill me.... Paul __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From bens Mon Jul 8 22:56:59 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g692uxH23122 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 22:56:59 -0400 Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 22:56:58 -0400 Message-Id: <200207090256.g692uwo23118@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: " mendo rec list" Subject: Re: Santana 6 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I was trying to say Santana had a very different six cyl engine than was offered by LR. The LR six being a derivative of the Rover passenger car six and not an elongation of its existing four. >Actually it's not such a radically different six >cylinder engine. Hear tell it was a 4 cylinder 2 1/4 >with an additional 2 cylinders grafted on. > >Aloha >Peter O. > >--- TeriAnn Wakeman wrote: > They also had a very [ 2 additional quoted lines pruned. ] TeriAnn Wakeman If you send me direct mail, please Santa Cruz, California start the subject line with TW - twakeman@cruzers.com I will be sure to read the message http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 From bens Mon Jul 8 23:22:47 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g693Mls23218 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 23:22:47 -0400 Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 23:22:46 -0400 Message-Id: <200207090322.g693MkY23214@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: An actual Land Rover question :^) ...and some..... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hey paul it wasn't a worn out engine at all! It was a practically new one that had a leaking head gasket and was replaced under warrantee by the dealer. Then fixed by a mechanic to be used in a roundy round race car, but he got very sick and had to retire then he sold his parts. Bob B At 05:20 PM 7/8/2002, you wrote: >0 (really should put in >the new axle shafts...now where are they!!!!! But I know >there is much more potential power than from an old tired >boat motor that was not even re-built before tossing in the >rover frame.... > >Paul From bens Mon Jul 8 23:47:17 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g693lHq23381 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 23:47:17 -0400 Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 23:47:17 -0400 Message-Id: <200207090347.g693lHM23377@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kevin Kelly" To: "Mendo List" Subject: New Range Rover Off Road Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I was up in Tahoe over the 4th of July weekend and spotted road marked "rough road" on a AAA map that connected a neighborhood above Kings Beach with the summit of highway 267. I was heading over to Truckee so I thought I would see if I could get through. The road was a typical forest service dirt road with a lot of dust but not any real challenging sections. When we were heading back from Truckee we took the dirt road again and caught up to another vehicle that looked like a new Range Rover through the dust. Sure enough as the dust cleared after we got back on pavement it was a white 2003 Range Rover with Cole European paper plates. We followed the guy and stopped as he opened the garage door at his (million dollar + lakeview) cabin. The garage had a 2002 Disco II in it and the guy told us that the Disco was his and the new Range Rover was his wife's. He said he wanted to see how the new Range Rover would handle a tough trail, but his wife told him she would kill him if he scratched it. Kevin From bens Mon Jul 8 23:54:24 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g693sOb23441 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 23:54:24 -0400 Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 23:54:24 -0400 Message-Id: <200207090354.g693sO423437@minbar.fourfold.org> From: EUROMOG@aol.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Slickrock and Blue Lakes Trip Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In a message dated 7/8/02 9:21:03 PM EST, androbus@yahoo.com writes: << > Hm.... I can see the newsletter cover photo now :) Sorry but my '96 Disco was leased and I had to turn it back in..... Have you seen the footage of John at Moab? >> Hey guys go easy with the remarks.... :) I just want to go out and have some fun and the Syncro guys just won't go where I do. Well, except for maybe Tom Lengyl but he IS crazy. For those who want a looksie there is I pic of me driving in Pritchet Canyon in Moab in the August issue of Four Wheel Drive and Sport Utility. I will bring the video up Friday night if a VHS VCR is available. I have some other Unimog videos too. I am hoping this weeks heat wave won't be too brutal so I can at least leave the shop on time this Friday. Good thing those Forward Controls are so hard to come by or who knows what I might have built...... John Wessels ("Most Elegant Driver", Mogs at Moab 2000, "Mr. Huevo's Grande" Mogs at Moab 2002) European Motorsport Livermore, CA 94551 http://www.euromog.com From bens Tue Jul 9 00:13:28 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g694DSV24005 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 00:13:28 -0400 Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 00:13:28 -0400 Message-Id: <200207090413.g694DSk24001@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "mpatrykus" To: Subject: Offroad gear Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org The other day I saw a well-equipped Toyota 4x4 that had obviously done some serious trailing. His windshield was emblazoned with the decal "ROCKSTOMPER.COM" so I checked out their website. They have some good deals on recovery gear packages. Thought the list would like to know. www.rockstomper.com Mo ------------------------------------------- Introducing NetZero Long Distance Unlimited Long Distance only $29.95/ month! Sign Up Today! www.netzerolongdistance.com From bens Tue Jul 9 00:42:55 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g694gtd25045 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 00:42:55 -0400 Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 00:42:55 -0400 Message-Id: <200207090442.g694gtb25041@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jeff Rogers To: Mendo Recce List Subject: Re: Stock rims Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Yikes! Good tip Paul. Thanks. I'll keep my eye out for DII rims. Is there a simple term or phrase to differentiate the two bolt patterns? -->Jeff John, so you're saying they _do_ make 16" in the correct bolt pattern for a DII? -->Jeff on 7/8/02 3:32 PM, Turner, Jon [LFS] at JTurner4@LFSUS.JNJ.com wrote: > > [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] > [ text/html; ] > [ 25 lines filtered. ] > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand > this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. > > charset="iso-8859-1" > [ 8 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Tue Jul 9 00:49:35 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g694nZY25079 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 00:49:35 -0400 Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 00:49:35 -0400 Message-Id: <200207090449.g694nZN25075@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Russ Wilson To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Another Tom Walsh sighting Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >--- Tom Walsh wrote: >> >> Hey! What'd I ever do to you? >Nah! don' worry! Ol' Hank Sr was a cool guy not like >jr(real suave from what I heard, and he actually could sing >and play better too....right dave?) > >Paul You ALL need to check out Hank Williams III. Hank III is the real deal.... Seen him live 10 times or so and met him a couple of times as well. Great singer and a decent guy on top of it all. RW -- "Your friend is the one you call to bail you out of jail. Your best friend is the one sitting next to you saying,'Dude, that was awesome!" From bens Tue Jul 9 00:53:07 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g694r7L25112 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 00:53:07 -0400 Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 00:53:07 -0400 Message-Id: <200207090453.g694r7625108@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Granville Pool" To: Subject: Re: Monitor Pass Sighting Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I had a couple of sightings, too, yesterday. We left our projects in Redwood Valley, long enough for a lazy day on Big River Beach, below Mendocino. On our way to Willits, we saw a limestone 109 2-door with a long top, with large (later type) fixed side windows in the top. A Series III, I'm guessing, but didn't see it in time to notice the front-end "styling." It was headed south, climbing Ridgewood Grade from Willits. Only limestone 2-door I can recall on the list was Uncle Roger's but I don't recall that it had that sort of windows. This one, I think, had no roof rack. About 5:00 PM, on Main Street, in Mendocino, we saw a dark green RR Mk II with a rack on top, carrying Mountain bikes, and the back of the RR v. covered in deep dust. Perhaps it had come over Ft. Bragg-Sherwood Road (of Mud Run fame) or down Usal Road from the Lost Coast. Again, no one I recognized but clearly the right sort! Granny From bens Tue Jul 9 00:56:53 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g694ur025141 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 00:56:53 -0400 Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 00:56:53 -0400 Message-Id: <200207090456.g694urc25137@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Russ Wilson To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: series parts places Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Ray also has a seasoned, "proper" accent! >JoeMulqueen > > >Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 12:59:35 -0400 >From: Russ Wilson >Subject: Re: Fwd: BP attitude and mendo people > >..........Wise Owl is a good choice as I don't [ 4 additional quoted lines pruned. ] I'm not sure but I may have gotten drunk with him at the Portland meet a few years ago... I managed to enjoy myself quite a bit on that trip... I remember sitting around the fire enjoying myself and then remembered seeing a sign for a local drinking establishment advertising that it had dancers. Well I like dancing as much as the next guy so off we( I don't remember who other than Nick E. and Ben Smith went on this adventure with me.. oh well). went in search of fun and adventure... but that's another story. Who is planning on going to Portland this year since I brought it up in a round about sort of way? RW -- "Your friend is the one you call to bail you out of jail. Your best friend is the one sitting next to you saying,'Dude, that was awesome!" From bens Tue Jul 9 00:57:16 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g694vGT25156 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 00:57:16 -0400 Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 00:57:16 -0400 Message-Id: <200207090457.g694vGM25152@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Granville Pool" To: Subject: Re: Santana 6 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org TeriAnn wrote: > offered by LR. The LR six being a derivative of the Rover passenger car > six and not an elongation of its existing four. Well, it was an elongation of its existing four, just not its more current one but that of the venerable Series I. I believe that the later auto engine with single overhead cam configuration (2000cc) was also derived from the Series I engine (and four-cylinder car engine of those days, too, of course). Granny From bens Tue Jul 9 01:01:35 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6951ZL25191 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 01:01:35 -0400 Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 01:01:35 -0400 Message-Id: <200207090501.g6951Zw25187@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Russ Wilson To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: RE. Charles and Karen's Excellent Adventure, Charles' SCLR Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Wait a sec! >What about all the mishaps we have up here? Roll >overs, munched CV joints, double broken half shafts, >etc. Who breaks more parts - the Bay Hip Northern >wine and cheese crowd or the smoggy Socal Corona >drinkers? I don't know but I still insist there are >nice, fun Land Rover enthusiasts everywhere. Also, >the big bear event is sponsored by 3 LR clubs - not >just SCLR. [ 2 additional quoted lines pruned. ] Joe, Yes, there are cool rover people everywhere, BUT the problem is that the dickhead / cool folks ratio in SCLR is WAY out of whack. Thus, most of the series rover folks from here in sunny so cal have started doing their own thing. $65 for a sticker and a newsletter that comes out how often? with how many pages? None for me thanks.. I'm an ass, I know I'm an ass but I'm not even in the same league as some of those dingdongs.. Cheers RW -- "Your friend is the one you call to bail you out of jail. Your best friend is the one sitting next to you saying,'Dude, that was awesome!" From bens Tue Jul 9 01:26:16 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g695QGO25292 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 01:26:16 -0400 Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 01:26:16 -0400 Message-Id: <200207090526.g695QGs25288@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "mpatrykus" To: Subject: 109 For Sale Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org There's a '63 109 for sale in SoCal. I called the seller inquiring for a buddy, but it turns out my buddy has one too many projects. Anyway it's a 3 door 109, truck cab, 3/4 canvas, all synchro gearbox, 2.25 petrol. The owner is asking $8500. I don't want to give out this guy's contact info so email me if you're interested. I have not been in the presence of this truck but by all other indications it looks like an unmolested survivor and it ought to go to someone who will really appreciate it. I will go view the truck for anyone who is serious. Wish I could buy it but my wife prefers her Corolla! (as if..!) Mo mpatrykus@netzero.net ------------------------------------------- Introducing NetZero Long Distance Unlimited Long Distance only $29.95/ month! Sign Up Today! www.netzerolongdistance.com From bens Tue Jul 9 02:38:35 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g696cZ625638 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 02:38:35 -0400 Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 02:38:34 -0400 Message-Id: <200207090638.g696cYI25634@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Biophilian@aol.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Disco Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org My sister-in-law's '96 Disco, which she has owned since new and obsessively dealer serviced, was recently diagnosed with low compression in cylinder 1. With only 48k on the clock, she spent nearly $3k replacing the heads (at the dealer--of course!). An independent LR mechanic tells me the '96 differs from other years in their exhaust valve guides, and their clearance with the valves. Seems there may be "a design flaw." I run trails with 2 higher mileage abused and well cared for '96 Discos that haven't had this problem, but it might be worth being aware of. The above Disco thinks mall parking lots are offroad, so I wouldn't worry so much about whether the thing shows some signs of use worthy of a LR. I'd worry more about the one driven short distances on errands! Kevan Wiser 87 RR From bens Tue Jul 9 03:16:03 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g697G3G25824 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 03:16:03 -0400 Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 03:16:03 -0400 Message-Id: <200207090716.g697G3x25820@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: An actual Land Rover question :^) ...and some..... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- Bob & Sue Bernard wrote: > > Hey paul it wasn't a worn out engine at all! > It was a practically new one that had a leaking head > gasket and was > replaced under warrantee by the dealer. Then fixed by a > mechanic to be used > in a roundy round race car, but he got very sick and had > to retire then he > sold his parts. wait...was it re-built as a roundy-round engine? ;-0 That may explain why if I am not carefull it leaves rubber! ;-) Great to hear that it was in good shape to start. I had misunderstood, and thought Elio had pulled out of a boat, must be thinking of one of the ones Scotty had. I had figured it'd need to be re-built in a couple years, but if not GREAT!!!! ;-) more money to put elsewhere...like paying off bills. Paul > At 05:20 PM 7/8/2002, you wrote: > >0 (really should put in > >the new axle shafts...now where are they!!!!! But I know > >there is much more potential power than from an old > tired > >boat motor that was not even re-built before tossing in > the > >rover frame.... > > [ 2 additional quoted lines pruned. ] __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From bens Tue Jul 9 03:22:45 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g697Mjd25857 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 03:22:45 -0400 Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 03:22:45 -0400 Message-Id: <200207090722.g697Mjd25853@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Slickrock and Blue Lakes Trip Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- EUROMOG@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 7/8/02 9:21:03 PM EST, > androbus@yahoo.com writes: > > << > Hm.... I can see the newsletter cover photo now :) > > Sorry but my '96 Disco was leased and I had to turn it > back in..... You can still get another Land-Rover later tho...for a future project? ;-) > Have you seen the footage of John at Moab? >> > > Hey guys go easy with the remarks.... :) I just want to > go out and have some > fun and the Syncro guys just won't go where I do. Well, > except for maybe Tom > Lengyl but he IS crazy. For those who want a looksie > there is I pic of me > driving in Pritchet Canyon in Moab in the August issue of [ 4 additional quoted lines pruned. ] sounds cool....anyone bring along a vcr/tv unit in their RV/Airstreem? ;-) I am > hoping this weeks heat > wave won't be too brutal so I can at least leave the shop > on time this > Friday. Good thing those Forward Controls are so hard to > come by or who knows > what I might have built...... Carefull...they are still readily available......maybe you should have bought Tom's when it went for sale a few months ago. with some cwazy articulation from pliable springs, it'll be purty good anywhere itself.....but there are others out there.... Paul > John Wessels ("Most Elegant Driver", Mogs at Moab 2000, > "Mr. Huevo's Grande" > Mogs at Moab 2002) > European Motorsport > Livermore, CA 94551 > http://www.euromog.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From bens Tue Jul 9 03:24:31 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g697OVf25872 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 03:24:31 -0400 Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 03:24:31 -0400 Message-Id: <200207090724.g697OV325868@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Stock rims Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- Jeff Rogers wrote: > > > Yikes! Good tip Paul. Thanks. I'll keep my eye out for > DII rims. Is there a > simple term or phrase to differentiate the two bolt > patterns? smaller bolt pattern...should be purty obvious, I think. Paul __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From bens Tue Jul 9 03:26:15 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g697QF925901 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 03:26:15 -0400 Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 03:26:15 -0400 Message-Id: <200207090726.g697QFg25897@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Another Tom Walsh sighting Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- Russ Wilson wrote: > > >--- Tom Walsh wrote: > >> > >> Hey! What'd I ever do to you? > >Nah! don' worry! Ol' Hank Sr was a cool guy not like > >jr(real suave from what I heard, and he actually could > sing > >and play better too....right dave?) > > [ 7 additional quoted lines pruned. ] There's a third one? ;-0 What kind of music? (don't be too vague...) Paul __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From bens Tue Jul 9 09:19:10 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g69DJAl27461 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 09:19:10 -0400 Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 09:19:09 -0400 Message-Id: <200207091319.g69DJ9F27457@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Peter Hope" To: Subject: Re: Parts Sources (was BP.... ) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > Don't write of parts from the UK. I've been able to get parts air mail > from the UK just about as quick as UPS from RN or BP at less cost. I have learned the hard way that it really does pay to use genuine parts. Seems everything I have used from allmakes has gone south quickly. If I need something yesterday then I call BP or RN or Rovers Down South. If I can wait, I call the UK. I have always saved money doing this, can't believe someone would fault me for it....specially if they don't have it to begine with. Pete From bens Tue Jul 9 09:26:45 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g69DQjM27514 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 09:26:45 -0400 Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 09:26:45 -0400 Message-Id: <200207091326.g69DQjJ27510@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: " mendo rec list" Subject: Re: series parts places Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Who is planning on going to Portland this year since I brought it up >in a round about sort of way? This will be my 15th year of attending. The first year I brought the TR3. Every year since then I have brought the LR. TeriAnn Wakeman If you send me direct mail, please Santa Cruz, California start the subject line with TW - twakeman@cruzers.com I will be sure to read the message http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 From bens Tue Jul 9 10:13:09 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g69ED9727825 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 10:13:09 -0400 Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 10:13:09 -0400 Message-Id: <200207091413.g69ED9E27821@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Russ Wilson To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Hank Williams III Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > >There's a third one? ;-0 >What kind of music? (don't be too vague...) WWW.Hank3.com Click on the hellbilly flash site and you'll hear a bit. His sound is like his grandfather's with a bit of a modern kick to it. Interesting guy, he does a classic hillbilly country set, takes a 5 min break and then comes back out on stage and does a full speed metal set with the same instruments. RW -- "Your friend is the one you call to bail you out of jail. Your best friend is the one sitting next to you saying,'Dude, that was awesome!" From bens Tue Jul 9 11:31:48 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g69FVmV28557 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 11:31:48 -0400 Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 11:31:47 -0400 Message-Id: <200207091531.g69FVlL28553@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Peter Hope" To: Subject: Re: series parts places Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Who is planning on going to Portland this year since I brought it up >in a round about sort of way? Hell, some people think I moved from Hawaii to Seattle just in order to attend :-) Pete From bens Tue Jul 9 13:03:36 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g69H3aQ29084 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 13:03:36 -0400 Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 13:03:36 -0400 Message-Id: <200207091703.g69H3ap29080@minbar.fourfold.org> From: James Howard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Parts Sources (was BP.... ) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Most everything I have used from Allmakes seems to be equal quality as genuine. Peter Hope wrote: > > > Don't write of parts from the UK. I've been able to get parts air mail > > from the UK just about as quick as UPS from RN or BP at less cost. > > I have learned the hard way that it really does pay to use genuine parts. > Seems everything I have used from allmakes has gone south quickly. > If I need something yesterday then I call BP or RN or Rovers Down South. If > I can wait, I call the UK. I have always saved money doing this, can't > believe someone would fault me for it....specially if they don't have it to [ 3 additional quoted lines pruned. ] - From bens Tue Jul 9 15:45:10 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g69JjAo30272 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 15:45:10 -0400 Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 15:45:09 -0400 Message-Id: <200207091945.g69Jj9q30268@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Turner, Jon [LFS]" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Stock rims Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 107 lines filtered. ] This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. charset="iso-8859-1" Yes they do make 16" rims. I actually picked up 2 sets for cheap, gave 1 rim to Barry so I have 7 left = l extra if anyone wants. Jon From bens Tue Jul 9 15:55:24 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g69JtO830361 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 15:55:24 -0400 Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 15:55:23 -0400 Message-Id: <200207091955.g69JtN930357@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Douglas W. Forehand" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Cc: EUROMOG@aol.com Subject: Re: Slickrock and Blue Lakes Trip Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 23:54:24 -0400 > From: EUROMOG@aol.com > > In a message dated 7/8/02 9:21:03 PM EST, androbus@yahoo.com writes: > > << > Hm.... I can see the newsletter cover photo now :) > > Sorry but my '96 Disco was leased and I had to turn it back in..... > John, My 96 DISCO is still for sale. I'll make you a really good deal ! I can have it at your place tonight. Thanks -Doug USPS: Douglas W. Forehand INTERNET: dwf@Eng.Sun.Com Sun Microsystems Inc. VOICE: (408) 774-8015 901 San Antonio Road, MS USUN02-301 FAX: (408) 774-2099 Palo Alto, California 94303-4900 From bens Tue Jul 9 16:22:56 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g69KMub30626 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 16:22:56 -0400 Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 16:22:55 -0400 Message-Id: <200207092022.g69KMtn30622@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Turner, Jon [LFS]" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: 110 on ebay number 1842539085 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; ] [ 30 lines filtered. ] This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. charset="iso-8859-1" 110 on ebay, number 1842539085 Anyone know anything about this one - looks like it has been set up really nice for offroad by someone who knew what they were doing. (particularly the rear) http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1842539085 From bens Tue Jul 9 18:53:56 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g69Mrux31611 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 18:53:56 -0400 Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 18:53:55 -0400 Message-Id: <200207092253.g69Mrtj31607@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Offroad gear Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "...Thought the list would like to know. [www.rockstomper.com]..." They would....and they do.... Shane B posted the link last week. :^))) I finally updated my MasterPull links and see they now offer the Amsteel Blue with the nice self locking hook attached with a thimble eye. The abrasion guard sleeves are available from Rockstomper cheap to augment the nicely set-up MasterPull line. http://www.masterpull.com Just more alternatives. -Dave G. From bens Tue Jul 9 19:30:48 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g69NUmO31895 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 19:30:48 -0400 Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 19:30:47 -0400 Message-Id: <200207092330.g69NUlI31887@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Joshua M. Sosbee" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: New plugs Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "Honestly, I went to the store looking for NGK's but all they had for the idsco in stock ere the bosche plus4 or autolight....." I just did a tune up in my Disco 1. I used the Autolites, Winchester Auto sold me, as OEM, for a cool $1.38 a piece. I gapped at .35 and it is smoother then my cat when you pet him! It's all about the gap....... Josh Drippy - 98 Disco1 From bens Tue Jul 9 19:33:08 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g69NX8G31919 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 19:33:08 -0400 Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 19:33:08 -0400 Message-Id: <200207092333.g69NX8l31915@minbar.fourfold.org> From: joe mulqueen To: mendo Subject: RE. Charles and Karen's Excellent Adventure, Charles' SCLR Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Russ, What about the LRSD and LRLV people? They'll be there too. Also, the San Diego club has a pretty nice online newsletter....... JFM '67 SIIA 109 SW Cotati, CA Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 01:01:35 -0400 From: Russ Wilson Subject: Re: RE. Charles and Karen's Excellent Adventure, Charles' SCLR >Wait a sec! >What about all the mishaps we have up here? Roll >overs, munched CV joints, double broken half shafts, >etc. Who breaks more parts - the Bay Hip Northern >wine and cheese crowd or the smoggy Socal Corona >drinkers? I don't know but I still insist there are >nice, fun Land Rover enthusiasts everywhere. Also, >the big bear event is sponsored by 3 LR clubs - not >just SCLR. [ 2 additional quoted lines pruned. ] Joe, Yes, there are cool rover people everywhere, BUT the problem is that the dickhead / cool folks ratio in SCLR is WAY out of whack. Thus, most of the series rover folks from here in sunny so cal have started doing their own thing. $65 for a sticker and a newsletter that comes out how often? with how many pages? None for me thanks.. I'm an ass, I know I'm an ass but I'm not even in the same league as some of those dingdongs.. Cheers RW __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From bens Tue Jul 9 19:37:25 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g69NbPS31950 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 19:37:25 -0400 Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 19:37:25 -0400 Message-Id: <200207092337.g69NbPk31946@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Mehdi Saghafi To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Parts Sources (was BP.... ) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org James, most of the time yes. I just got a gas tank for the 109 and it is a bit off. I think things that get fabricated differ a bit, but things like distributer/ alt/... are a match Mehdi ----Most everything I have used from Allmakes seems to be equal quality as genuine. From bens Tue Jul 9 21:08:48 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6A18m332420 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 21:08:48 -0400 Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 21:08:47 -0400 Message-Id: <200207100108.g6A18lW32416@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: New plugs Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- "Joshua M. Sosbee" wrote: > > "Honestly, I went to the store looking for NGK's but all > they had for the idsco in stock ere the bosche plus4 or > autolight....." > > I just did a tune up in my Disco 1. I used the > Autolites, Winchester > Auto sold me, as OEM, for a cool $1.38 a piece. What is the autolite #? I have a new set of autolite plugs on the shelf and don't recall if they were for one of the past rovers, or maybe one of the gmc or ford trucks, I know the five oil filters are not rover ones, so maybe they are all from teh blazer/Jimmy? (Which means I gave away the wrong box of filters!!!!! ARRGH!!!) > I gapped > at .35 and it > is smoother then my cat when you pet him! > It's all about the gap....... So true! I used to always use autolite and gap my own plugs, even if they were supposed to be pre-gapped....but in last couple years had been heaing many bitches about them not lasting(recently I ahd ben usung NGK and champions, but I also heard mucho complaining about the champions being bad from tehstart. Since I do not have that cool champion spark-plug tester that Bob Bernard has, and just found out my dad no longer has his(snif... ) ;-( I can't do as I used to in the old days and pre-test all plugs before use after gapping, and also same on oil change days....got that from working in general aviation.. I figured I'd try the new bosch +4 and see what all the hype is! ;-) Paul __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From bens Tue Jul 9 21:22:14 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6A1MEl32502 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 21:22:14 -0400 Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 21:22:14 -0400 Message-Id: <200207100122.g6A1MEk32498@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Blair Peterson" To: "Mendo (E-mail)" Subject: Ahem, Granny.. Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org The only limestone 2 door 109 on list is Roger's?? Did ya look in your rear view mirror on our way from Cedar to Hough Springs last April? Fil has one nearly identical to Pershing too, but maybe you've never seen that one. BTW: The kids got into a dispute recently about who gets which Rover when they reach driving age. I explained to them that if they each get one, that leaves me with none. At which point Glyn said she wants a white Range Rover named Ziggy. I am not making this up. Cheers. From bens Tue Jul 9 21:41:57 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6A1fve32622 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 21:41:57 -0400 Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 21:41:57 -0400 Message-Id: <200207100141.g6A1fvE32618@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Ahem, Granny.. Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- Blair Peterson wrote: > BTW: The kids got into a dispute recently about who gets > which Rover when they reach driving age. I explained to > them that if they each get one, that leaves me with none. > At which point Glyn said she wants a white Range Rover > named Ziggy. I am not making this up. Don' worry! by than Granny will have an Ibex and Rangie-3 so Ziggy will be available, right Granny? Paul __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From bens Tue Jul 9 21:47:58 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6A1lwG32652 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 21:47:58 -0400 Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 21:47:58 -0400 Message-Id: <200207100147.g6A1lwt32648@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Mehdi Saghafi To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: 2.5 petrol Weber Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I saw this on the RDS site. A good deal. Better and cheaper than what I bought from Pierce manifold. You get to keep the heat shield and it mounts to the exhaust manifold that takes care of the cold acceleration issues with the pierce manifold and the SU carb setup with ARC intake. 2.5 petrol Weber carb & manifold $275.00 http://www.roversdownsouth.com/eng.htm From bens Tue Jul 9 22:20:37 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6A2Kbi00456 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 22:20:37 -0400 Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 22:20:36 -0400 Message-Id: <200207100220.g6A2Kao00452@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Joe Smo To: mendo_list Subject: Disco Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Thanks for your input regarding the possible purchase of a Disco by Sara (the Thai girl that accompanies me to outings). I will pass the information on to her. I was beginning to think this was an exclusive club, that my questions were to technical or that I just do not fit in, since I rarely get a response. Thanks again Joe Palecek __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From bens Wed Jul 10 01:49:22 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6A5nMm02915 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 01:49:22 -0400 Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 01:49:22 -0400 Message-Id: <200207100549.g6A5nMf02911@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Test... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Here goes... ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Wed Jul 10 02:40:46 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6A6ekX03120 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 02:40:46 -0400 Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 02:40:46 -0400 Message-Id: <200207100640.g6A6ekc03116@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Russ Wilson To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: RE. Charles and Karen's Excellent Adventure, Charles' SCLR Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Russ, >What about the LRSD and LRLV people? They'll be there >too. Also, the San Diego club has a pretty nice >online newsletter....... >JFM > I've heard good things about the SD crew. Don't know about the others and I haven't had the time to really look into it since I'm spending all my spare time getting my rig back together. Presently the project is painting or rather sanding and more sanding..... RW -- "Your friend is the one you call to bail you out of jail. Your best friend is the one sitting next to you saying,'Dude, that was awesome!" From bens Wed Jul 10 05:18:17 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6A9IHW03919 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 05:18:17 -0400 Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 05:18:17 -0400 Message-Id: <200207100918.g6A9IHL03915@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: NCRC newsletter master index and TOC Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hey everyone, thought you might like to know I've just finished a master index and master TOC for all issues of the NCRC newsletter! Both of these (hopefully) helpful files are now available on the www.norcalrover.org site in the newsletter section where, interestingly enough, all previous and current issues of the newsletter reside as well. That means you can review 21 issues worth of NCRC newsletter content in one listing! Now I've just got to get the online forum and past events sections working as well... Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 From bens Wed Jul 10 05:53:33 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6A9rXL04121 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 05:53:33 -0400 Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 05:53:33 -0400 Message-Id: <200207100953.g6A9rXH04117@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Tom Walsh" To: Subject: Re: Test... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org nope, you failed! :) TomW ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles R Irvin" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 10:49 PM Subject: Test... > > Here goes... > > > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. [ 1 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Wed Jul 10 10:28:13 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6AESDk05621 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 10:28:13 -0400 Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 10:28:12 -0400 Message-Id: <200207101428.g6AESCA05617@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: NCRC newsletter master index and TOC Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Beautiful job Jason. I know it's a lot of work to create an index like that, but it will be a huge help to a lot of people in the future. It's also a great place to nail down things that get hashed over and over on the list. Some articles that are sort of conspicuous in their absence, and get asked about quite often, are buying guides for the various Land Rovers. I'd think a "club newsletter" level treatment could be accomplished in one article for coilers and one for leafers up to RRC/DI. I'd be willing to take a crack at it, if someone with more direct technical knowledge might be able to collaborate. -Dave G. From bens Wed Jul 10 11:11:21 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6AFBLk05902 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 11:11:21 -0400 Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 11:11:21 -0400 Message-Id: <200207101511.g6AFBLN05898@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Disco Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "...I was beginning to think this was an exclusive club, that my questions were to technical or that I just do not fit in, since I rarely get a response...." Naw. Just think of it like the town pub. Different folks in different states of mind. What get's discussed at any time is mostly a function of peoples' moods and interests at any given time. Nothing personal. -Dave G. From bens Wed Jul 10 12:27:17 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6AGRH606527 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 12:27:17 -0400 Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 12:27:17 -0400 Message-Id: <200207101627.g6AGRHM06523@minbar.fourfold.org> From: James Howard To: "mendo_recce@fourfold.org" Subject: Engine cleaning Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org The engine block on my SIII is covered with a baked on mixture of mud and oil that I would like to remove. It is pretty hard stuff, scraping it with a flat screw driver is all I have found that would dislodge it, and that is very tedious. I have tried various cleaning fluids too. Is there something I could do short of pulling the engine and putting it in a hot parts washer? From bens Wed Jul 10 12:32:51 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6AGWp506590 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 12:32:51 -0400 Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 12:32:50 -0400 Message-Id: <200207101632.g6AGWoL06586@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Engine cleaning Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Have you tried spraying it multipe times with CitrusSolve? It's a citrus-based cleaner that is rather heavy duty and might help break down the oils enought to clean it up with something like a larger wire brush. Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 From bens Wed Jul 10 12:37:54 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6AGbsW06655 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 12:37:54 -0400 Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 12:37:54 -0400 Message-Id: <200207101637.g6AGbsc06651@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Russ Wilson To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Engine cleaning Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >The engine block on my SIII is covered with a baked on mixture of mud >and oil that I would like to remove. It is pretty hard stuff, scraping >it with a flat screw driver is all I have found that would dislodge it, >and that is very tedious. I have tried various cleaning fluids too. Is >there something I could do short of pulling the engine and putting it in >a hot parts washer? Look around for a garage that has a steam cleaner. OR you could proably rent a small steam cleaner from your local rental place. Soak the engine with some degreaser, let it sit for a bit and then blast away with the steam cleaner. RW -- "Your friend is the one you call to bail you out of jail. Your best friend is the one sitting next to you saying,'Dude, that was awesome!" From bens Wed Jul 10 12:43:10 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6AGhAi06716 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 12:43:10 -0400 Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 12:43:09 -0400 Message-Id: <200207101643.g6AGh9O06712@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: " mendo rec list" Subject: Re: Engine cleaning Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org If you can seal things off, I'm a fan of a solvent soaking followed by a high pressure washer. TeriAnn Wakeman If you send me direct mail, please Santa Cruz, California start the subject line with TW - twakeman@cruzers.com I will be sure to read the message http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 From bens Wed Jul 10 12:53:26 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6AGrQN06807 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 12:53:26 -0400 Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 12:53:26 -0400 Message-Id: <200207101653.g6AGrQv06803@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Engine cleaning Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Russ and TeriAnn's comments made me think of the place in the South Bay that will clean your engine and/or underbody very professionally with a true steam cleaner, with the truck raised in in the air, etc. It cost me a little over 100 bucks to have them professionally clean the engine bay, and from the front to the rear underbody. It took them over an hour to do it they did such a good job. Place is called South City Car Wash and they're located at 988 El Camino Real in South San Francicso. I don't think many places can actually use steam cleaners anymore due to environmental concerns. jpipes >If you can seal things off, I'm a fan of a solvent soaking followed by a >high pressure washer. > >TeriAnn Wakeman If you send me direct mail, please >Santa Cruz, California start the subject line with TW - >twakeman@cruzers.com I will be sure to read the message > >http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman > [ 4 additional quoted lines pruned. ] -- Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 From bens Wed Jul 10 12:56:16 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6AGuGY06838 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 12:56:16 -0400 Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 12:56:16 -0400 Message-Id: <200207101656.g6AGuGD06834@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Test... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I was just curious everybody: I reset my Norton Internet Security to "full", and suddenly there were no more posts from Mendo! Am toying with one of those "free offer" software discs for an ISP...just to look for parts for a while - then tell the ISP to get lost! (it's AOL) I don't plan on keeping them, so my email will still come to Juno. (I would to with Prodigy, but since they were bought by SBC...SBC owns Pac Bell, and since I HATE Pac Bell, it's guilt by association...this is another story for another time...I'll just have to pick the lesser of the evils) Charles On Wed, 10 Jul 2002 05:53:33 -0400 "Tom Walsh" writes: > > nope, you failed! > :) > TomW > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Charles R Irvin" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 10:49 PM > Subject: Test... [ 13 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Wed Jul 10 12:58:47 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6AGwl006892 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 12:58:47 -0400 Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 12:58:47 -0400 Message-Id: <200207101658.g6AGwlb06888@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jeff Rogers To: Mendo Recce List Subject: Re: NCRC newsletter master index and TOC Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org That would make an excellent set of articles Dave. I get email from people every week asking for buying advice. I would love to simply point them to a newsletter. I don't have the expertise to provide you with any details unfortunately - I usually just suggest that people just bring the truck to a good mechanic before buying. -->Jeff on 7/10/02 7:28 AM, Gomes, David at david.gomes@gambrobct.com wrote: > > Beautiful job Jason. I know it's a lot of work to create an index like > that, but it will be a huge help to a lot of people in the future. It's > also a great place to nail down things that get hashed over and over on the > list. > > Some articles that are sort of conspicuous in their absence, and get asked > about quite often, are buying guides for the various Land Rovers. I'd think > a "club newsletter" level treatment could be accomplished in one article for [ 5 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Wed Jul 10 13:00:56 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6AH0uY06958 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 13:00:56 -0400 Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 13:00:56 -0400 Message-Id: <200207101700.g6AH0u106954@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Engine cleaning Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org When I got the replacement block for Gillian, it had a 1/2" thick layer of red clay on it (I kid you not - Russ had a helluva time keeping it out of my livingroom!). I scraped off as much as possible, then used Gumout Steam Premium engine cleaner: spray on - hose off. Worked great, though it was caked on so thick that it took several uses of the stuff to do the trick. If I had a chance, I would have taken it to a place such as what Jason mentioned. Charles On Wed, 10 Jul 2002 12:27:17 -0400 James Howard writes: > > > The engine block on my SIII is covered with a baked on mixture of > mud > and oil that I would like to remove. It is pretty hard stuff, > scraping > it with a flat screw driver is all I have found that would dislodge > it, > and that is very tedious. I have tried various cleaning fluids too. [ 4 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Wed Jul 10 13:11:28 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6AHBSn07027 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 13:11:28 -0400 Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 13:11:28 -0400 Message-Id: <200207101711.g6AHBSm07023@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: NCRC newsletter master index and TOC Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I have an article of sorts that could be used as a NAS D110 buyers guide. I never considered it as an article before as I figured not many people would be interested. If people are, I can send it to Rob ASAP. Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 From bens Wed Jul 10 13:25:04 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6AHP4f07100 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 13:25:04 -0400 Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 13:25:03 -0400 Message-Id: <200207101725.g6AHP3T07096@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: NCRC newsletter master index and TOC Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "...could be used as a NAS D110 buyers guide..." Anything's better than nothing, IMHO. At least as a base line and thought starter. I think that would be a great article for an upcoming newsletter. And as for the other models, I was going to do some research. I know I have buying guide articles in past issues of LROI, LRW, LRE, etc. I could pull ideas from those, and then also list the issue numbers and sources I'd used in a bibliography of sorts. I'll try to outline something and run it by folks. And if you know where it's already been done, online, then by all means, save me the work! :^) This is sort of a trial run for the fact that I want to do the same thing for the ClubGwagen site. We're putting the finishing touches on an article about how to legally import privately right now. That is probably the most frequently asked question I get from folks interested in Gs, is how to import one. Some of that may apply to LRs as well. When we get the article up, I'll share the link here. -Dave G. From bens Wed Jul 10 13:27:54 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6AHRsO07130 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 13:27:54 -0400 Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 13:27:54 -0400 Message-Id: <200207101727.g6AHRsR07126@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: NCRC newsletter master index and TOC Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "...That would make an excellent set of articles Dave...." Well, I might have time to put some thoughts together in a week or two. I'm flying to Atlanta with a friend to help him drive a LWB G-wagen back here to CO. Lots of thinking time across Kansas... :^) -Dave G. From bens Wed Jul 10 13:43:27 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6AHhRx07218 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 13:43:27 -0400 Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 13:43:27 -0400 Message-Id: <200207101743.g6AHhR807214@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: " mendo rec list" Subject: Re: Engine cleaning Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Russ and TeriAnn's comments made me think of the place in the South Bay that >will clean your engine and/or underbody very professionally with a true steam >cleaner, with the truck raised in in the air, etc. It cost me a little over >100 bucks to have them professionally clean the engine bay, and from the >front to the rear underbody. For a little over $100 I was able to purchase a home high pressure washer. Not as good as a steam cleaner, but is sure cleans things up after a trip and allows me to keep the underside clean. TeriAnn Wakeman If you send me direct mail, please Santa Cruz, California start the subject line with TW - twakeman@cruzers.com I will be sure to read the message http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 From bens Wed Jul 10 13:50:25 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6AHoPG07274 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 13:50:25 -0400 Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 13:50:24 -0400 Message-Id: <200207101750.g6AHoOa07270@minbar.fourfold.org> From: James Howard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Engine cleaning Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Jason Pipes wrote: > > Have you tried spraying it multipe times with CitrusSolve? It's a > citrus-based cleaner that is rather heavy duty and might help break down the > oils enought to clean it up with something like a larger wire brush. Yes, and it was slow going. Also, there are no steam cleaning places in Flagstaff, and none of the rental places have one. A good pressure washing sounds like it is worth trying, but we are complicated by water restrictions, so we are not allowed to wash our cars in our driveways until probably September. I guess I will have to drive it to another town (like Phoenix) and find someone to steam clean it. Thanks for the suggestions, James From bens Wed Jul 10 14:10:48 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6AIAmU07542 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 14:10:48 -0400 Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 14:10:48 -0400 Message-Id: <200207101810.g6AIAmM07538@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Eric Johnson" To: Subject: Re: NCRC newsletter master index and TOC Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org test From bens Wed Jul 10 14:31:45 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6AIVj807784 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 14:31:45 -0400 Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 14:31:45 -0400 Message-Id: <200207101831.g6AIVjj07780@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Eric Johnson" To: Subject: Monitor Pass Sighting Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org (Third Post) Who will admit to driving over Monitor Pass last Saturday evening about 8 P.M.? Perp will have a yellowish/brown 109 with a white, possibly modified top. Perp has engine other than stock 4 cyl. as the speed of perp suggests power plant other than stock 4 banger....esp. at that altitude. From bens Wed Jul 10 14:33:22 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6AIXMl07801 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 14:33:22 -0400 Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 14:33:22 -0400 Message-Id: <200207101833.g6AIXMc07797@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Bruce R. Bonar" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: back from our Nevada reccee... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Stephanie and I've spent several summers exploring this area and of course led the NCRC weeklong summer trip there several years ago. As Jason points out there is a wide variation between mountains and valleys. This is high desert so even the valleys are 5-6k feet. The Granites are pushing 10k or higher. I don't remember temps over mid 90's in the valleys but we ran into significant snow in several mountain ranges during July. Comfortable sleeping temps in all cases. This is an area that shouldn't be missed. Especially since there is an ongoing push to further wildernize this area. Contrary to what Jason said much of this area does already have significant travel restrictions and of course in no case should anyone ever leave established byways regardless of travel designations. Bruce Jason Pipes wrote: > The temps were slated to be in the upper 90s in most areas we were > exploring, but they only got really hot on the playa and near the Smoke > Creek Desert, the other areas were warm but very tolerable and not too hot > at all. Much of the time we were 4,000-8,000ft, so that helped as well. > > jpipes > > > > >Sounds cool...err... hot, what were the temps? [ 2 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Wed Jul 10 14:50:49 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6AIonW07990 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 14:50:49 -0400 Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 14:50:49 -0400 Message-Id: <200207101850.g6AIonX07986@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Monitor Pass Sighting Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- Eric Johnson wrote: > Who will admit to driving over Monitor Pass last Saturday > evening about > 8 P.M.? > > Perp will have a yellowish/brown 109 with a white, > possibly modified > top. > Perp has engine other than stock 4 cyl. as the speed of > perp suggests [ 1 additional quoted lines pruned. ] altitude. sounds interesting.....probably one of the scotty's conversions out there. ;-) I have a feeling there are still many rover owners around who are not internet savvy still, so I doubt you'll get a response. Who ended up buying Nicks toyota powered dormie years ago? wasn't it coloured like this? don't recall... Paul (with "other thatn stock four-bnger" in Elgie) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From bens Wed Jul 10 15:05:56 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6AJ5ui08160 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 15:05:56 -0400 Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 15:05:56 -0400 Message-Id: <200207101905.g6AJ5u108156@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: back from our Nevada reccee... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >This is an area that shouldn't be missed. Especially since there is an >ongoing push to further wildernize this area. Contrary to what Jason said >much of this area does already have significant travel restrictions and of >course in no case should anyone ever leave established byways regardless of >travel designations. Not sure if I worded myself incorrectly in my original posting. There are indeed a lot of restrictions on travel, you obviously have to stay on maintained roads and trails, and in wilderness areas a lot of routes have been closed. But that being said, our route went over about 200 miles of off-highway routes, some of which were pretty rough and certainly hadn't been used in years but were most assuredly open for vehicle travel. And there were dozens and dozens of routes we found but couldn't take due to time limits. But like Bruce said, many routes have long since been closed so there are indeed restrictions in the are. We also spoke at lenght with Joey Carmosino from the BLM office in Winnamucca regarding trail access and designated routes. He told us that although High Rock Canyon is under a lot of pressure, they are not going to shut it down. He said the more active we can be regarding trail access, the better though. He mentioned they are getting pressure everyday by multiple groups to shut down access to much more of the area. Also, to be clear, every route we took and plan to take for the club event was a designated trail or open route, even if they were little used. The most damage we saw on our two recce trips was caused by cattle. Trail side embankments, hillsides and terraces were often trampled considerably by cattle, and almost every flat spot in the region was covered in cow dung. How anyone can justify closing down already existing roads and trails but continue to allow cattle to open graze is beyond me. BTW, Joey from the BLM spoke to us at lenght about volunteer opportunities in northwestern Nevada. There are many, and they need help. I think NCRC should consider pulling together a group to go out and do some work in the area. I'd be happy to front such a group. Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 From bens Wed Jul 10 16:23:08 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6AKN8808833 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 16:23:08 -0400 Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 16:23:08 -0400 Message-Id: <200207102023.g6AKN8708829@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kerner, Rob" To: "BwanaE@aol. com (BwanaE@aol.com)" Subject: Slick Rock/ Blue Lakes Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html ] [ 90 lines filtered. ] This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. I just checked with the Forest service, and El Dorado National Forest will be in fire restrictions on Saturday.(actually starting Fri.) Stanislaus did not anticipate being in fire restrictions. Looking at the map we enter El Dorado NF shortly after leaving Hermit Valley camp ground. What fire restrictions mean. No fires outside of developed camp grounds allowed. You need a fire permit to even use your gas stove. :-( -Rob From bens Wed Jul 10 16:35:14 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6AKZEd09026 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 16:35:14 -0400 Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 16:35:14 -0400 Message-Id: <200207102035.g6AKZEq09021@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Monitor Pass Sighting Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org My Gillian is painted desert sand, though she has been dormant for over a year...wasn't me. Charles On Wed, 10 Jul 2002 14:31:45 -0400 "Eric Johnson" writes: > > > > (Third Post) > > Who will admit to driving over Monitor Pass last Saturday evening > about > 8 P.M.? > [ 6 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Wed Jul 10 16:35:15 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6AKZFt09033 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 16:35:15 -0400 Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 16:35:15 -0400 Message-Id: <200207102035.g6AKZFd09029@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: back from our Nevada reccee... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I'm still unemployed - and plan on moving somewhere bwtween Reno and Silver Springs in the (hopefully) not too distant future, so I'd be interested. Charles On Wed, 10 Jul 2002 15:05:56 -0400 Jason Pipes writes: > > > > BTW, Joey from the BLM spoke to us at lenght about volunteer > opportunities > in northwestern Nevada. There are many, and they need help. I think > NCRC > should consider pulling together a group to go out and do some work > in the > area. I'd be happy to front such a group. ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Wed Jul 10 17:43:40 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6ALhe809638 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 17:43:40 -0400 Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 17:43:40 -0400 Message-Id: <200207102143.g6ALheO09634@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gerry Elam" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Engine cleaning Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I have a price-costco type pressure washer. You're welcome to use it next down you're down here. Cheers, Gerry >until probably September. I guess I will have to drive it to another >town (like Phoenix) and find someone to steam clean it. > >Thanks for the suggestions, > >James _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From bens Wed Jul 10 18:36:34 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6AMaYC10030 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 18:36:34 -0400 Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 18:36:34 -0400 Message-Id: <200207102236.g6AMaYN10026@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Eric Johnson" To: Subject: Preferred GPS Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org GPS Fans, Just got a Garmin "Etrek Legend" and the topo software...Mapsource. Seems I can do as well with a Delorme and topo maps. Not thrilled with the Mapsource topo software, some of the secondary roads I was on - weren't on the software. And lots of zooming in and out due to small screen size. Whats the preferred GPS set-up? From bens Wed Jul 10 18:42:42 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6AMggZ10102 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 18:42:42 -0400 Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 18:42:41 -0400 Message-Id: <200207102242.g6AMgfr10098@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kerner, Rob" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Preferred GPS Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 18 lines filtered. ] I have an emap, with Mapsource Metroguide, and have found many of the roads I have been on listed. As soon as I do a little soldering my Emap will talk back and fourth to me Kenwood TMD700A. The emap has a little bigger screen, but unless you buy a small laptop screen size will be a problem. -Rob From bens Wed Jul 10 18:47:39 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6AMldA10143 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 18:47:39 -0400 Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 18:47:39 -0400 Message-Id: <200207102247.g6AMldS10139@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Granny To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: 2.5 petrol Weber Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Cool! Funny thing: I was driving down the highway from Willits to Ukiah today (behind a Disco II this time, no rare 2-door 109s in sight) and wondering what sort of manifold the 2.5-liter LR engines had used for the 2-bbl Weber. I might have to get one of those manifolds one day. I have the Pierce manifold and would certainly rather have that one. > 2.5 petrol Weber > carb & manifold $275.00 > > http://www.roversdownsouth.com/eng.htm > > From bens Wed Jul 10 18:51:03 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6AMp3G10178 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 18:51:03 -0400 Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 18:51:03 -0400 Message-Id: <200207102251.g6AMp3j10174@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jeff Rogers To: Mendo Recce List Subject: Re: NCRC newsletter master index and TOC Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org No rush. Sounds like a good time! -->Jeff on 7/10/02 10:27 AM, Gomes, David at david.gomes@gambrobct.com wrote: > > "...That would make an excellent set of articles Dave...." > > Well, I might have time to put some thoughts together in a week or two. I'm > flying to Atlanta with a friend to help him drive a LWB G-wagen back here > to CO. Lots of thinking time across Kansas... :^) > > -Dave G. From bens Wed Jul 10 19:35:56 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6ANZur10448 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 19:35:56 -0400 Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 19:35:56 -0400 Message-Id: <200207102335.g6ANZuK10444@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Preferred GPS Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- Eric Johnson wrote: > > > GPS Fans, > > Just got a Garmin "Etrek Legend" and the topo > software...Mapsource. > > Seems I can do as well with a Delorme and topo maps. Not > thrilled with [ 6 additional quoted lines pruned. ] I'm curious too. right now I have an old garmin GPS45XL which is greatfor the data it gives, but would like actual mapping capability....for now it'll do for my needs, like telling me what speed the series is actually going as iteh speedo drive is shot....if I learn how to properly use it that'd help too! ;-0 my ohter one is the old delorme tripmate and my laptop, but I still need to finish the laptop mount and need to get a newer version of the tripmate software as I'm running the '97? version and I understand the newer one is much better? I find the big laptop screen is very usefull if you have room for it...we'll see if I have time to get it all set up again for this week-end or not. Paul __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From bens Wed Jul 10 20:03:06 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6B036i10591 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 20:03:06 -0400 Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 20:03:05 -0400 Message-Id: <200207110003.g6B035i10587@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Preferred GPS Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "....Just got a Garmin "Etrek Legend"...." This note prompted a thought of something that might be fun, and free content for the NCRC newsletter. A page or column called, "From the Mendo List" or some such (maybe "On the Mend (o)". Lift a few interesting posts straight from the list into the newsletter, after permission from the source, naturally. Maybe with the contact info of the person who made the post in case a reader would like to follow up. It might do a few good things. 1- Free content is good content! (can you tell I've been a club leader and newsletter writer?) 2- Increase membership interest in internet/email contact 3- Serve as a sort of archive of bits and pieces of ticklish info. Just a thought. -Dave G. From bens Wed Jul 10 20:05:10 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6B05Av10623 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 20:05:10 -0400 Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 20:05:10 -0400 Message-Id: <200207110005.g6B05AG10619@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: GA trip Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "...Sounds like a good time!..." Not as much fun as driving a nappy 109 diesel SW from Sacto to CO, but it will be fun. -Dave G. From bens Wed Jul 10 20:05:59 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6B05xw10644 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 20:05:59 -0400 Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 20:05:59 -0400 Message-Id: <200207110005.g6B05xt10640@minbar.fourfold.org> From: John Young To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Preferred GPS Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > Whats the preferred GPS set-up? I use a Lowrance GM-100 coupled with a laptop PC running TopoUSA. Have been pretty happy with it. I love the Lowrance, but if buying a new unit I would probably first look at Garmin, since the Lowrance is unusual for cars and motorcycles (they are much more common in airplanes and boats). For the money, DeLorme's TopoUSA is pretty good, and you get the whole country on a single DVD. I really like having the laptop (Sony VAIO) for the big color screen and high-res. Makes it really hard to get lost. Next time Rob and I are on the same trip, we're going to have fun with our GPS + TM-D700A APRS stuff... -JY From bens Wed Jul 10 22:10:35 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6B2AZA11234 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 22:10:35 -0400 Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 22:10:34 -0400 Message-Id: <200207110210.g6B2AYc11230@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "charles chuan-chen phu" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Preferred GPS Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I am too looking for a GPS, either a handheld unit or one for pc. I don't really know which one I should get. I'd like to have a really inexpensive one but still can do the job for both topo/outdoor and street. I'll plug it into my pc and probably get DeLorme's TopoUSA installed, too. Does the GPS unit matter in my case? Charles _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From bens Wed Jul 10 22:18:46 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6B2IkC11273 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 22:18:46 -0400 Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 22:18:46 -0400 Message-Id: <200207110218.g6B2Ikc11269@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Eric Johnson" To: , Subject: Moving to Nevada - re:Charles Irvin Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Charles, I drove thru the area of your dreams Friday afternoon, last. The road, Alt. 95 from Fernley to Silver Springs, is bounded on each side by a myriad of new "developments". The names go something like this - Rock and Sagebrush View Flats Roasting Rabbit Carcass Flat If You Can Get Something to Grow Here - You Get A Free Lot Flats Take My Land, Please - Flats It Can't Get Any Hotter Flats The Only Place Hotter Is Hell Flats Dangerous to Go Out Doors Between 8 A.M. and Sundown Flats I Could Sell A Six-Pack For More Than These Lots Flats Lost (my) Mind Flats & Tolkein's Model for Mordor Flats eric From bens Wed Jul 10 22:21:24 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6B2LO311304 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 22:21:24 -0400 Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 22:21:24 -0400 Message-Id: <200207110221.g6B2LOG11300@minbar.fourfold.org> From: SFmms@aol.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: SoCal LR Clubs Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset="US-ASCII" ] [ 19 lines filtered. ] Joe writes: > What about the LRSD and LRLV people? They'll be there > too. Also, the San Diego club has a pretty nice > online newsletter....... > I thought I'd jump in at this point too. I don't know about the rest of LRSD, but one member, Ty Llewlyn (sp) I went on the Mojave Road Trail with for 2.5 days was super. He was driving a SIIa that he had restored nicely and I believe he said the LRSD was Series friendly. I don't know any LRLV folks. My last encounter with the SCLR folks happened to be at Big Bear when I happened upon their campsite at Gray's Peak campgrounds and decided to stop by and visit a member who has a very well equipped RR, lives in my neighborhood and who always stops to chat. I pulled up in the parking lot my SIII with a smile and was greeted with "I was going to set up my hammock there" so I moved, and then the same joker turned to another bystander and said "Hey, so&so should get some rock sliders like that." Not one greeting, description of the trails they went/were going on, nothing in the way of basic common courtesy even after I attempted to introduce myself. My husband was so annoyed he insisted we leave immediately and he is a very easy going guy. By way of contrast, the folks in our Explorers Club from work who have an assorted bunch of vehicles are never judgmental (except the ribbing we take for a really dumbass mistake and the guy with the big Suburban), are friendly and helpful to neophytes. One guy (with the very well equipped Ford Explorer) has 40 years total offroading experience in everything from ATVs and motorcycles to SUVs and has helped me learn a lot of offroading tricks. Karen Sindir '74 SIII 88 Red Rufy - new window (Thanks Charles) and speedo cable this weekend. '66 SIIA 88 Barbaros From bens Wed Jul 10 23:02:20 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6B32K711525 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 23:02:20 -0400 Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 23:02:19 -0400 Message-Id: <200207110302.g6B32Jl11521@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: SoCal LR Clubs Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- SFmms@aol.com wrote: > I thought I'd jump in at this point too. I don't know > about the rest of LRSD, > but one member, Ty Llewlyn (sp) I went on the Mojave Road > Trail with for 2.5 > days was super. He was driving a SIIa that he had > restored nicely and I > believe he said the LRSD was Series friendly. I don't > know any LRLV folks. oh yeah! very people friendly! thay don't have any issues at all from my experiences with them. Aftern ahnging out with them for a few days, my room-mate figured if all rover guys ere this cool maybe he should get a disco and move down to SD!! and he is NOT a rover guy at all. > My last encounter with the SCLR folks happened to be at > Big Bear when I > happened upon their campsite at Gray's Peak campgrounds > and decided to stop > by and visit a member who has a very well equipped RR, > lives in my > neighborhood and who always stops to chat. I pulled up in > the parking lot my > SIII with a smile and was greeted with "I was going to [ 12 additional quoted lines pruned. ] Sounds like what I also heard from the guys from San Diego up to Orange county weyhn I wheeled with them a couple years ago. they had nothing nice to say about the "a-holes from LA" NO offense Joe, but from whayt I have heard about thesee guys even I would have gotten pissed off by these guys and I am one of the most easy-going laid back guys who ever owned a land-rover in California from what people keep telling me. Karen, I am sorry you and your apparently nice hisband who we should someday meet, had to deal with thees jerks. Paul __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From bens Wed Jul 10 23:46:41 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6B3kf611750 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 23:46:41 -0400 Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 23:46:40 -0400 Message-Id: <200207110346.g6B3kep11746@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: the heat, water/fuel and this week-end trip... was Re: Moving to Nevada - re:Charles Irvin Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- Eric Johnson wrote: > > Charles, > > I drove thru the area of your dreams Friday afternoon, > last. The road, Alt. > 95 from Fernley to Silver Springs, is bounded on each > side by a myriad of > new "developments". > The names go something like this - > Rock and Sagebrush View Flats > Roasting Rabbit Carcass Flat > If You Can Get Something to Grow Here - You Get A Free > Lot Flats > Take My Land, Please - Flats > It Can't Get Any Hotter Flats > The Only Place Hotter Is Hell Flats > Dangerous to Go Out Doors Between 8 A.M. and Sundown > Flats [ 4 additional quoted lines pruned. ] Yeah! I wonder about Charles Sanity! I couldn't survive living there in the heat! But Charles, you do live in Compton which is a blinking lot hotter than it is here in Fremont usually, even though it is over 100 thos week all week apparently! Just spending a few hours in the sun working at a fellow mendo member's yard taking care of some overgrown bushes trees, fighting with my chain saw and brush cutter...etc, I was starting to feel extremely faint from the heat and had to come home for a couple gallons of water. Next time I'll have it with me. NOTE! I'm guessing we all should be carrying mucho extra drinking water this week-end? Personally I'm taking ten gallons as usual, but is that enough? Wgat is the appropriate water intake in the heat? I forget... Will the ten gallons be enough for two people? or should I dig out a few more water tanks...also what about fuel? twn gallons extra ok? or more? how far away from filling stations are we gonna be? remember the Light Brigade gets only ten mpg....not like most of you economy drivers.... Paul Just wanting tob e properly prepared __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From bens Thu Jul 11 00:06:32 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6B46WN12011 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 00:06:32 -0400 Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 00:06:32 -0400 Message-Id: <200207110406.g6B46WP12007@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: the heat, water/fuel and this week-end trip... was Re: Moving to Nevada - re:Charles Irvin Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Paul, 1 gallon a person per day for drinking alone is suggested in high heat situations. For two days between 2 people, 10 gallons will be more than enough. Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 From bens Thu Jul 11 00:17:20 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6B4HKR12997 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 00:17:20 -0400 Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 00:17:02 -0400 Message-Id: <200207110417.g6B4H2812989@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Preferred GPS Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I recently got what I feel is by far the best single mapping source software for a laptop-GPS combo. Its the National Geographic/USGS State Top cdroms. Each state (in the West) has its own cdrom. I got the Nevada cdrom set for use on our recent reccee. The set comes with 7 cdroms (1 DVD would be better in this case, but oh well) with seamless topographic coverage in 500k, 100k and 7.5 series for the entire state. That means you can literally scroll around the entire state of Nevada looking at seamless 7.5 topo quads on your laptop. And when connected to a GPS, you can record and track your current position in realtime. The ability to set way points, record paths, evaluate distances and elevations, set elevation profiles, jump to any named location or feature on any maps, see lat/long where ever your pointer points to, and much more, makes this set FANTASTIC. I also feel that the USGS 7.5 quads are by far the most detailed available. They are simply ported onto this cdrom set though, they have the addition of correct digital contour shading to make topo features easier to see and evaluate. You have the option to set contour shading off though as well. I believe in total there are 2000 7.5 quads in this set, not to mention all the 500k and 100k maps as well. I highly recommend this set. Oh, and the USGS topo quads in this set are produced to the National Map Accuracy Standard as well, I'm not sure if some of the other products available are as well. Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 From bens Thu Jul 11 00:23:08 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6B4N8s13039 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 00:23:08 -0400 Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 00:23:07 -0400 Message-Id: <200207110423.g6B4N7C13035@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: the heat, water/fuel and this week-end trip... was Re: Moving to Nevada - re:Charles Irvin Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- Jason Pipes wrote: > > Paul, 1 gallon a person per day for drinking alone is > suggested in high > heat situations. For two days between 2 people, 10 > gallons will be more than > enough. so one gallon a day is all that is needed? Wow! That is my normal fluid intake....I was thinking it was two or more... I wonder if I should be mixing up gatorade or some of the real electrolyte stuff in the drink cooler as well just to be sure? Anyone please JUMP IN HERE... Where do they sell the big containers of serious electrolyte stuff these days? We used to get it from REI back when it was a real back-packing store instead of a trendy fashion assesory place like now....is the Berkley store still like it used to be and has everything? or has it succombed to the new trends as well? Funny! My father has been a menber for over forty years, I have been for twenty-five years, and my mother is the one who gets any sort of a catalogue, and she has NEVER bought from them...go figure. Paul (kinda paranoid about getting dehydrated as I am prone to heat-stroke, and do NOT want to go through kidney stones again from dehydration like a few years ago after the week-end of buying TeriAnn's chainsaw and The African from Grannny! That ws the last time I ever went for four days with only tea, coffee and beer for liquids) Paul __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From bens Thu Jul 11 00:31:59 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6B4VxD13112 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 00:31:59 -0400 Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 00:31:58 -0400 Message-Id: <200207110431.g6B4VwH13108@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: Mendo Subject: Re: Preferred GPS Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I'd love to ahve a look at it and see how well it works this week-end. I always prefer to demo things before spending cash if possible....or trading for other stuff whenever possible too....it makes things more fun at times... I had been planning on trying these ones, but recall the price was purty steep a fw years ago. what is is now? I had suggested we get a group of mendo guys to go in together and split the costs so we could get a larger library, but no-one came back with any interest....I had lost the ue of the laptop I had for the rover as it has c-mos setup issues, so I had just put ofgf the whole thing, but I'm supposed to be getting anothe one from a friend, so I can go ahead w/o jepardizing my dell which is my current machine, but..it hasn't shown up, and the dell is getting old, no longer worth a few graqnd, so maybe I'll just re-build the jotto desk and have it ready for the week-end after all....we'll see... Paul --- Jason Pipes wrote: > > I recently got what I feel is by far the best single > mapping source software > for a laptop-GPS combo. Its the National Geographic/USGS > State Top cdroms. > Each state (in the West) has its own cdrom. I got the > Nevada cdrom set for > use on our recent reccee. The set comes with 7 cdroms (1 > DVD would be better [ 38 additional quoted lines pruned. ] __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From bens Thu Jul 11 00:33:06 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6B4X6A13139 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 00:33:06 -0400 Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 00:33:05 -0400 Message-Id: <200207110433.g6B4X5Z13135@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kevin Kelly" To: "Mendo List" Subject: Land Roverr Buyers Guide Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Dave wrote: >Some articles that are sort of conspicuous in their >absence, and get asked about quite often, are buying >guides for the various Land Rovers. I'd think a "club >newsletter" level treatment could be accomplished in >one article for coilers and one for leafers up to RRC/DI. >I'd be willing to take a crack at it, if someone with more >direct technical knowledge might be able to collaborate. I started on a buyers guide a few years back. I'll send it to Dave to see what he can add. It was Kelly Minnick's offer to collaborate that got me to finish my year by year changes to the Range Rover Classic about 6 years ago. I'm also working on a Range Rover MKII buyers guide and year by year changes since I'll need it myself when I start looking for a nice used 4.6HSE. My low ball offer for the Presidio Heights '97 D90 was rejected and even though I know many of the Series owners will be disappointed in me, I've decided that I'll be happier with a open top car that has a power top heated seats and good AC. So if anyone knows about a nice mid 90's BMW E36 cabrio for sale let me know... Kevin From bens Thu Jul 11 01:18:03 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6B5I3G13469 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 01:18:03 -0400 Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 01:18:03 -0400 Message-Id: <200207110518.g6B5I3l13465@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: replacing 3.9 V8 water pump - any suggestions? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I'm about to replace the water pump on the 3.9 liter V8 in the 110. I'm looking for any special suggestions or advice anyone might have in advance of me starting. The new one arrives on Friday, and I'll likely go to it this weekend. Sadly, I won't be able to make Blue Lakes but I have to get the truck ready for the Desert trip at the end of the month. I've already looked at all the articles in the NCRC newsletter, nothing regarding WPs. I've also searched around online, on d-90.com, discoweb.org, the Rovers North message board and on LRX. I've read the info on the work shop manual, and 'm just now going over a stack of LRWs, LROs and LREs. I think I have the jist of it, although I'm a little unclear if it is required to remove the radiator to get at the fan. Obviously the belts need to come off as does the bottom hose. Am I correct in assuming that once the fan is off and the belts and hoses are out of the way that it's as "simple" as removing the old WP and replacing a new gasket and refitting the new WP (with proper torque)? Thanks for any suggestions/advice before I jump into this. Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 From bens Thu Jul 11 01:24:03 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6B5O3E13506 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 01:24:03 -0400 Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 01:24:02 -0400 Message-Id: <200207110524.g6B5O2s13502@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Preferred GPS Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Sorry, that should read: >by far the most detailed available. They **AREN'T** simply ported onto >this cdrom set though, they have the addition of correct digital contour >shading to make topo features easier to see and evaluate. Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 From bens Thu Jul 11 01:39:49 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6B5dnE13577 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 01:39:49 -0400 Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 01:39:48 -0400 Message-Id: <200207110539.g6B5dm913573@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Granville Pool" To: Subject: Re: Ahem, Granny.. Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Blair wrote: > At which point Glyn said she wants a white Range Rover > named Ziggy. I am not making this up. Paul quipped: > Don' worry! by than Granny will have an Ibex and Rangie-3 > so Ziggy will be available, right Granny? Paul: Don't be so sure. I'm getting more and more behind at work and with my rentals and their remodeling projects (everything grows faster than I can contain it). At this rate, I may never get around to building a garage/shop and restoring the Snark, let alone building an Ibex. Keeping my Ziggy a very long time is seeming quite likely. An RR III is v. unlikely in the foreseeable future and beyond. If I had a good, conditioned garage right now, I'd probably buy the '47 Jag 3.5-liter saloon (see, Joe, I didn't call it a Mk. IV, even if everyone else does) and still get no Ibex. Blair: If Glyn gets a white RR, she has my permission to name it Ziggy. Someone at Mendo, stopped behind me on Trail 21, had a Disco named Ziggy. Mine named itself so I have no real claim to the name. BTW, mine just happened to be white. I wanted beige, bronze, or dark green. I don't even like white. It is practical, I'll admit, but not too exciting. Kinda looks like a great, honkin' fridge on wheels. Granny From bens Thu Jul 11 01:42:20 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6B5gKI13622 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 01:42:20 -0400 Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 01:42:19 -0400 Message-Id: <200207110542.g6B5gJa13618@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Granville Pool" To: Subject: Re: Ahem, Granny.. Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Blair, > The only limestone 2 door 109 on list is Roger's?? Did ya look in your > rear view mirror on our way from Cedar to Hough Springs last April? > Fil has one nearly identical to Pershing too, but maybe you've never > seen that one. Yeah, I know that Fil claims to own a 109 but I've not seen it. Yours is a 2-door? That's what comes of being an old fart. I was picturing a 4-door SW. So: Was it you I saw driving down 101 from Willits? Granny From bens Thu Jul 11 02:03:49 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6B63nE13745 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 02:03:49 -0400 Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 02:03:49 -0400 Message-Id: <200207110603.g6B63nG13741@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "mpatrykus" To: Subject: Engine degreasing Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org One of the best degreasers I have found is Castrol Superclean. You can find it in the purple plastic gallon container at Kmart for 6 bucks and change. It contains sodium hydroxide and will dissolve grease and mud into a runny chocolate cake-like batter. Take your wings & bonnet off for ventilation and easier access. Spray it on full strength and let it sit, then hit it with a good stiff garden hose stream. (Put a big collector pan underneath the Rover.) Have a steel or brass bristle brush handy for the stubborn parts. Just be sure not to breath any fumes. Mo "Eatin' off my Immaculate Manifold" Patrykus ------------------------------------------- Introducing NetZero Long Distance Unlimited Long Distance only $29.95/ month! Sign Up Today! www.netzerolongdistance.com From bens Thu Jul 11 02:31:00 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6B6V0413874 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 02:31:00 -0400 Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 02:31:00 -0400 Message-Id: <200207110631.g6B6V0v13870@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Moving to Nevada - re:Charles Irvin Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Oh - come on, Eric...it's not that hot there. Flat, but not that hot. However, if you meander your way down 95 towards Vegas, it starts to cook. If you head west out of Beatty into Death Valley, it REALLY starts to cook! I like that area, but would like to get a piece of land that has more up/down to it...so's I can play with Gillian in my own backyard. There's a spot I found that is a good one, but still, kinda flat. May have to settle on it because I don't want to get too far from Reno. BTW - I actually worked on Gillian today!!!!! Pulled the right wing off so that I can replace the steering box, and get to the dizzy gear easier. Charles On Wed, 10 Jul 2002 22:18:46 -0400 "Eric Johnson" writes: > > Charles, > > I drove thru the area of your dreams Friday afternoon, last. The > road, Alt. > 95 from Fernley to Silver Springs, is bounded on each side by a > myriad of > new "developments". > The names go something like this - [ 16 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Thu Jul 11 02:31:03 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6B6V3g13890 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 02:31:03 -0400 Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 02:31:03 -0400 Message-Id: <200207110631.g6B6V3W13886@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: SoCal LR Clubs Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I don't know anybody in the SD club personally, though I know they're great people: was doen there for a Brit car meet back in '95 when I had my 88", and back then it was mostly Series people. Met lotsa folks, but can't remember any names now. Charles On Wed, 10 Jul 2002 23:02:19 -0400 Paul Archibald writes: > > > --- SFmms@aol.com wrote: > > > I thought I'd jump in at this point too. I don't know > > about the rest of LRSD, > > but one member, Ty Llewlyn (sp) I went on the Mojave Road > > Trail with for 2.5 > > days was super. He was driving a SIIa that he had [ 40 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Thu Jul 11 02:31:02 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6B6V2713883 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 02:31:02 -0400 Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 02:31:02 -0400 Message-Id: <200207110631.g6B6V2713878@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: the heat, water/fuel and this week-end trip... was Re: Moving to Nevada - re:Charles Irvin Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org It hasn't been TOO terribly hot here - yet...in Visalia it's supposed to hit 107 tomorrow! (probably by the time I get there...) As I told Russ today, I'm not crazy - I was just born this way. :) Charles P.S. You can NEVER carry enough water on a hot day! Always carry at least twice as much as you think you'll need - and in "fire conditions", carry twice more than that - so you'll have something to use to clear a small path if it gets ugly. Keep a shovel nearby - a comfortable-to-use-for-long-periods one at that. On Wed, 10 Jul 2002 23:46:40 -0400 Paul Archibald writes: > > > > Yeah! I wonder about Charles Sanity! I couldn't survive > living there in the heat! But Charles, you do live in > Compton which is a blinking lot hotter than it is here in > Fremont usually, even though it is over 100 thos week all > week apparently! > NOTE! I'm guessing we all should be carrying mucho extra > drinking water this week-end? Personally I'm taking ten > gallons as usual, but is that enough? Wgat is the > appropriate water intake in the heat? I forget... Will the > ten gallons be enough for two people? or should I dig out a > few more water tanks...also what about fuel? twn gallons > extra ok? or more? how far away from filling stations are > we gonna be? remember the Light Brigade gets only ten > mpg....not like most of you economy drivers.... [ 8 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Thu Jul 11 02:32:39 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6B6Wdt13917 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 02:32:39 -0400 Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 02:32:39 -0400 Message-Id: <200207110632.g6B6WdV13913@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "mpatrykus" To: Subject: Sightings Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org July 1: I'm driving down Fairfax Ave. in LA, top off the 109, when I get passed by a red late IIA 88, top off. I catch up to the guy. "Imagine the odds! Nice 88!" "Thanks. that's a cool 109." "Thanks, man. Do you ever take it offroad?" "Nope. Had it for 12 years. I used to but now I just try to keep it going." "Well, maybe I'll see you around. What's your name?" "Paul, you?" "Mo. take it easy!" July 9: I'm on PCH in the southern part of Malibu. I pass a beat-up green 88 on the side of the road in the weeds. Quick U-turn and jump out. It's got the top off, the thing is pretty shredded and used up, but looks like it runs. Although it sure looks abandoned, parked up in the weeds like it is. Recently consumed Starbucks Grande sitting on the gearbox tunnel. Hmmm. Probably a local. I'll have to watch for this guy. (For some reason Malibu has a high concentration of Series Rovers.) "Reverse" sighting, July 10: I am following Russ back from Charles' place where Russ has been wet sanding his wings while I assemble the steering linkages & front brakes. Doors and canvas off the 109 (Even in jaded, self-centered LA, a topless Series Rover will turn heads and prompt conversation.) At a stoplight A Disco Series II pulls alongside. "Nice Land Rover!" "Oh, thanks alot. It's alot of fun." I've got a '73 model." "A Series III?" "Yes. Trying to import it now." "From England?" "No, South Africa." "That's where you're from?" "Yeah. Is there a mechanic you use?" "Yeah, Go to Marina Motors. the guy's name is Peter." "Thanks! Cheers!" Finally, a brief indicent of mockery, July 3: I am northbound on Torrey Pines Road leaving San Diego. From the red Chevy pickup in the next lane, I hear, Moron 1: "You gotta tire on your hood." Moron 2:"Heh-heh!" I ignore the remark and continue in bumper to bumper traffic, mentally preparing witty retorts until traffic starts to move, then hit the 5 and drive home. Mo ------------------------------------------- Introducing NetZero Long Distance Unlimited Long Distance only $29.95/ month! Sign Up Today! www.netzerolongdistance.com From bens Thu Jul 11 02:35:22 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6B6ZMc13957 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 02:35:22 -0400 Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 02:35:22 -0400 Message-Id: <200207110635.g6B6ZMX13953@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: replacing 3.9 V8 water pump - any suggestions? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Jason, If the nut holding the fan onto the pump won't come loose (it's threaded backwards, BTW), the radiator will have to come out...keep a bag of oil absorbant nearby to catch stuff on the ground under your feet so that you don't drag anything into the house (and get yelled at by the S.O.!) Charles - did mine two months ago... On Thu, 11 Jul 2002 01:18:03 -0400 Jason Pipes writes: > > I'm about to replace the water pump on the 3.9 liter V8 in the 110. > I'm > looking for any special suggestions or advice anyone might have in > advance > of me starting. The new one arrives on Friday, and I'll likely go to > it this > weekend. Sadly, I won't be able to make Blue Lakes but I have to get > the [ 31 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Thu Jul 11 03:02:45 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6B72jr14057 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 03:02:45 -0400 Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 03:02:45 -0400 Message-Id: <200207110702.g6B72jH14053@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Shannon Holland To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: the heat, water/fuel and this week-end trip... was Re: Moving to Nevada - re:Charles Irvin Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Electrolytes are good, but remember they are mostly salt. When backpacking, etc I've generally watered gatorades, etc. down about 50% - otherwise you just consume tons of salt (and sugar!) and then end up drinking even more water! 1 gallon a day - what is your normal day? Is that normally 1 gallon water, or other stuff (mmm, 1 gallon Guinness or Lagunitas IPA a day sounds mighty tasty!). Do you do lots of physical work in a hot environment or is that as yet another of us desk weenies? A gallon of water is a lot to drink... Shannon On Wednesday, July 10, 2002, at 09:23 PM, Paul Archibald wrote: > so one gallon a day is all that is needed? Wow! That is my > normal fluid intake....I was thinking it was two or more... > I wonder if I should be mixing up gatorade or some of the > real electrolyte stuff in the drink cooler as well just to > be sure? From bens Thu Jul 11 04:00:51 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6B80pY14294 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 04:00:51 -0400 Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 04:00:51 -0400 Message-Id: <200207110800.g6B80pK14290@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: the heat, water/fuel and this week-end trip... was Re: Moving to Nevada - re:Charles Irvin Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- Shannon Holland wrote: > > Electrolytes are good, but remember they are mostly salt. > When > backpacking, etc I've generally watered gatorades, etc. > down about > 50% - otherwise you just consume tons of salt (and > sugar!) and then end > up drinking even more water! no....not for regular drinking, but for when you realize you have just gotten dehydrated and need to boost yourself back to safety...am I just paranoid? I remember my dad used to carry a couple of packs of ERG i his back-pack on our back-packing trips during boy-scouts...I decided to do teh same, but used up my last pack up a few years ago when I was married with step-kids, and have not seen it available anywhere...used gatorage as a substitute since than... for regular drinking, I usually water-down the gatotrade when I mix it up such as you, or it's just too strong to drink....or stick with regular water... > 1 gallon a day - what is your normal day? Is that > normally 1 gallon > water, or other stuff (mmm, 1 gallon Guinness or > Lagunitas IPA a day > sounds mighty tasty!). ooh! it does...doesn't it! mmmm! but I think even I'd end up gaining weight after drinking that much every day...not to mention it wouldn't be so special when I drink it. ;-) > Do you do lots of physical work in > a hot > environment or is that as yet another of us desk weenies? > A gallon of > water is a lot to drink... if you do a survey of kidney-stone victims, apparently we all drink that magic gallon ever since....yes a desk weanie normally, but during my current unemployment, I have been working outside for my folks and friends on week-ends....and NOT drinking enough water...I realized I used the water as an good reason to get up from the comp screen at least every half hour and walk around/drink. Paul > On Wednesday, July 10, 2002, at 09:23 PM, Paul Archibald > wrote: > > > so one gallon a day is all that is needed? Wow! That is > my > > normal fluid intake....I was thinking it was two or > more... > > I wonder if I should be mixing up gatorade or some of > the [ 4 additional quoted lines pruned. ] __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From bens Thu Jul 11 04:21:25 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6B8LPS14464 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 04:21:25 -0400 Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 04:21:24 -0400 Message-Id: <200207110821.g6B8LOD14460@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: the heat, water/fuel and this week-end trip... was Re: Moving to Nevada - re:Charles Irvin Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- Charles R Irvin wrote: > > It hasn't been TOO terribly hot here - yet...in Visalia > it's supposed to > hit 107 tomorrow! (probably by the time I get there...) > As I told Russ today, I'm not crazy - I was just born > this way. you may have been born that way, but Charles, take it from someone who will admit it myself...you are a nut to want to live where it gets 107!! at least the rangie has ac, huh? ;-) > Charles > P.S. You can NEVER carry enough water on a hot day! > Always carry at least > twice as much as you think you'll need - and in "fire > conditions", carry > twice more than that - so you'll have something to use to > clear a small > path if it gets ugly. hmmm! how you understand why I feel the need to eventually have a 127 for my expedition vehicle, to carry the five water cans, and six fuel cans along with everything else... ;-) someday...I hope...... Keep a shovel nearby - a > comfortable-to-use-for-long-periods one at that. ooh! forgot about the shovel. I took them out of the disco when I removed the storage unit months ago, and need to toss in one in the tool locker I am building in the rear pass foot-well. Paul > On Wed, 10 Jul 2002 23:46:40 -0400 Paul Archibald > > writes: > > Yeah! I wonder about Charles Sanity! I couldn't survive > > living there in the heat! But Charles, you do live in > > Compton which is a blinking lot hotter than it is here > in > > Fremont usually, even though it is over 100 thos week > all > > week apparently! > > NOTE! I'm guessing we all should be carrying mucho > extra > > drinking water this week-end? Personally I'm taking ten > > gallons as usual, but is that enough? Wgat is the > > appropriate water intake in the heat? I forget... Will > the > > ten gallons be enough for two people? or should I dig > out a > > few more water tanks...also what about fuel? twn > gallons > > extra ok? or more? how far away from filling stations > are > > we gonna be? remember the Light Brigade gets only ten > > mpg....not like most of you economy drivers.... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From bens Thu Jul 11 04:27:16 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6B8RGt14493 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 04:27:16 -0400 Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 04:27:16 -0400 Message-Id: <200207110827.g6B8RGV14489@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: replacing 3.9 V8 water pump - any suggestions? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Jason, I d suggest taking the rad out as it's just a fw more bolts(was two in the disco! ...ok than there was the four connections for the tranny cooler, and steering box cooler, but still eaier in end does the 110 have thee in the rad?) Taking it out makes the water-pump r&r a muuuuuch easier job. believe me! I've replaced dozens of pumps in many different cars, and it is always easier if you can take out the rad first. Paul --- Charles R Irvin wrote: > > Jason, > > If the nut holding the fan onto the pump won't come loose > (it's threaded > backwards, BTW), the radiator will have to come > out...keep a bag of oil > absorbant nearby to catch stuff on the ground under your > feet so that you [ 25 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From bens Thu Jul 11 04:34:41 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6B8Yf514536 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 04:34:41 -0400 Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 04:34:41 -0400 Message-Id: <200207110834.g6B8YfR14532@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Shane Ballensky To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: the heat, water/fuel and this week-end trip... was Re: Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org For reference today I drove from Redding to Sac and back(approx 300miles and 7 hours) It was extremely hot today(like 120*) and I drank 3 liters of water and 2 quarts of gatorade(which is more than 1 gallon) I've also drank almost a 1/2 gallon more water since getting home. oh and I was driving a D90 with just the soft top and no windows(except windshield) No A/C. Did i mention it was HOT? From bens Thu Jul 11 04:47:40 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6B8leY14596 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 04:47:40 -0400 Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 04:47:39 -0400 Message-Id: <200207110847.g6B8ldi14592@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: the heat, water/fuel and this week-end trip... was Re: Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- Shane Ballensky wrote: > > > > For reference today I drove from Redding to Sac and > back(approx 300miles > and 7 hours) > It was extremely hot today(like 120*) and I drank 3 > liters of water and 2 > quarts of gatorade(which is more than 1 gallon) [ 7 additional quoted lines pruned. ] no kiding! and you did this just for fun, right? ;-) Sounds like my trip back from Lassen two years ago through same area. the a/c in the disco was not up-n-running back than, and we drank lots water, and kept pouring it on our shirts for eveporative cooling too. I'm just glad I hae the a/c running again for when it gets bad... Paul __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From bens Thu Jul 11 09:00:49 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6BD0nh15690 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 09:00:49 -0400 Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 09:00:48 -0400 Message-Id: <200207111300.g6BD0mO15686@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: the heat, water/fuel and this week-end trip Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Double your normal intake is probably not a bad idea. Better to have it and not need it than the other way around. If you'll be spending any time at altitude, you'll need more water there too. It's the first thing we tell folks visiting us for any extended time (9k ft), to double or triple your water intake the first few days to avoid headaches. And it's never even close to hot here. -Dave G. From bens Thu Jul 11 09:04:43 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6BD4h915707 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 09:04:43 -0400 Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 09:04:43 -0400 Message-Id: <200207111304.g6BD4hb15703@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Preferred GPS Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "...Its the National Geographic/USGS State Top cdroms...." Sounds like winner, Jason..... You didn't mention price, but I'll look around. Did you say it was 7 CDs just for Nevada? I can see this getting pricey. But really useful stuff is hardly ever cheap. :^) If you load the CD roms to the hard disk can you continue seamlessly across state lines as well as within state boundaries? Thanks! -Dave G. From bens Thu Jul 11 09:19:16 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6BDJGT15772 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 09:19:16 -0400 Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 09:19:16 -0400 Message-Id: <200207111319.g6BDJGm15768@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Cc: "Home (E-mail)" Subject: RE: replacing 3.9 V8 water pump - any suggestions? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org My 2 cents is, give it a good college try without pulling the radiator. I've never needed to. The more connections you open up, the better chance of something getting buggered or leaking. If the fan nut is stubborn, make sure you whack the wrench alternately in both the left and right directions to help shock it loose. And if you're going to do it this weekend, you should have already given things a spray of WD 40 (being careful to keep it off the belts and pulleys). Not sure how many miles you have on the 110, but if you're removing the belts, it would be a good idea to remove the tensioner pulley, check the bearing condition, and soak it in oil while you do the rest of the water pump job. Clean the oil off the outside of it with brake cleaner and rags before reinstalling it. A catastrophic failure of that bearing is an ugly thing, and it's been known to happen. You can do the water pump job with little or no fluid spilled on the ground if you pull the plug from the top of the radiator and use a small diameter tube (1/4-3/8) to reach down into the radiator, through the center of the tranny cooler coil, and siphon the coolant out into waiting jugs. When I've done it this way I never spill more than a cup or so of coolant when the pump comes off. Use Permatex hylomar HPF [NAPA] on the gasket, and on the threads of the bolts when you install the new pump. Since I've typed this a couple of times, I think you're right, and it's time to put it into D-90.com FAQ... :^) Is there anything on the rr sites? Same motor. http://www.rangie.com http://www.rangerovers.net -Dave G. From bens Thu Jul 11 09:46:36 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6BDka815940 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 09:46:36 -0400 Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 09:46:36 -0400 Message-Id: <200207111346.g6BDkaN15936@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kerner, Rob" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: re:topo on cd rom Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html ] [ 66 lines filtered. ] This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. I completely forgot about those. I have the state of California, which is 10 CD's. They are great. I think CA runs about $100. I don't have a laptop, so I just use them for research at home. They do have NMEA capability with GPS's. -Rob From bens Thu Jul 11 10:50:08 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6BEo8l16831 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 10:50:08 -0400 Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 10:50:08 -0400 Message-Id: <200207111450.g6BEo8116827@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Eugene Simpson To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Engine degreasing Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org The Castrol Superclean works great, but Simple Green seemed to do a more thorough job on the greasiest areas and seems to have less residual. I did the bulk of my initial engine degreasing at the local do-it-yourself car wash. Simply carried a roll of quarters, Simple Green, and a wire brush. Parked over the large drain on ramps and used the high pressure hose (5 minutes for $1.00). Simple Green and Superclean were next to each other on the Wal Mart shelf for < $6.00. 35 years of greasy crud were gone in under an hour. I kept the engine running (hand throttle is nice) to keep Mr. Lucas from drowning. That was 3 years ago. Now I just spot clean with SG from time to time. Gene Simpson Auburn, AL '64 SIIA 88 Petrol - "Fetch" '97 Disco SE-7 - "Oui Geaux" '95 Dodge P/U '02 Mazda MPV From bens Thu Jul 11 11:08:11 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6BF8Bc16922 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 11:08:11 -0400 Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 11:08:11 -0400 Message-Id: <200207111508.g6BF8B616918@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Peter Whitbeck To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: Sightings Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Mo, Is your 109 black by any chance? I saw a really nice black 109 2 door, top off, in Bird Rock on my way to Pacific Beach on July 3. Peter ************** Peter Whitbeck Peter@RailCarAmerica.com http://www.railcaramerica.com/pw/ From bens Thu Jul 11 15:05:33 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6BJ5XF18593 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 15:05:33 -0400 Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 15:05:33 -0400 Message-Id: <200207111905.g6BJ5XF18589@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Scott Rachfal To: Subject: Re: Preferred GPS Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Jason Call Me!!!!! 408-858-9303 Scott on 7/10/02 10:24 PM, Jason Pipes at jpipes@csd.uwm.edu wrote: > > > Sorry, that should read: > >> by far the most detailed available. They **AREN'T** simply ported onto >> this cdrom set though, they have the addition of correct digital contour >> shading to make topo features easier to see and evaluate. > > Jason Pipes [ 5 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Thu Jul 11 15:14:46 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6BJEkO18674 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 15:14:46 -0400 Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 15:14:45 -0400 Message-Id: <200207111914.g6BJEjx18670@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jeff Rogers To: Mendo Recce List Subject: Re: SoCal Clubs Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hey Joe: For some reason I didn't get your orginal posting on this subject but I thought I'd let you know that I recently contacted SCLR VP Bill Ruttan (also an NCRC member) to put together a combined event for next year. I've been trying to do this for two years but haven't got a good response. Now that Bill is there I think we'll get it done. I think it's good that the two clubs get together. Hopefully people will stop the mud slinging on the list if we know them personally. BTW, my experience with the LRSD people has been great. The club receives their newsletter from time-to-time and I get referral email now and then. -->Jeff From bens Thu Jul 11 15:47:19 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6BJlJu18897 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 15:47:19 -0400 Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 15:47:19 -0400 Message-Id: <200207111947.g6BJlJr18893@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "De Guzman, Christine" To: Subject: RE: replacing 3.9 V8 water pump - any suggestions? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org the radiator will have to come out... No, it does not. I changed my 110 water pump without taking the Rad out. I would change all the hoses and belts while in there. Mehdi X110 owner From bens Thu Jul 11 15:52:18 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6BJqIT18936 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 15:52:18 -0400 Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 15:52:17 -0400 Message-Id: <200207111952.g6BJqHA18932@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jeff Rogers To: Mendo Recce List Subject: Clunk! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hello all: I just drove my truck to lunch and while approaching a stop sign I heard a pronounced clunk from the rear of the vehicle. Now every time the weight shifts front-to-back on the truck I hear a slight clunk. It's clear that something has let loose. ...And it's not cargo of any sort. I've looked at the spring mounts, shocks, shock mounts, driveline, trailing arms, brakes and I don't see anything loose. Nothing appears broken or loose, even when I give 'em a good shake. Any ideas on what else I should look at? I need to get this squared away ASAP as we have a run this weekend. Thanks in advance, -->Jeff From bens Thu Jul 11 15:57:30 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6BJvUI18994 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 15:57:30 -0400 Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 15:57:30 -0400 Message-Id: <200207111957.g6BJvUv18990@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kerner, Rob" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Clunk! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 27 lines filtered. ] Have you checked motor and tranny mounts. Sometimes just looking at them doesn't reveal their state. You may need to put a jack under them and lift to make sure they haven't separated? -Rob From bens Thu Jul 11 16:04:47 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6BK4lO19077 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 16:04:47 -0400 Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 16:04:47 -0400 Message-Id: <200207112004.g6BK4lA19073@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jeff Rogers To: Mendo Recce List Subject: Re: Clunk! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I'll check that tonight. Sounds like it's coming from the rear but it might be the mounts. Thanks Rob! -->Jeff on 7/11/02 12:57 PM, Kerner, Rob at Kerner@vegmail.ucdavis.edu wrote: > > [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] > [ Included Original Message ] > [ 27 lines filtered. ] > Have you checked motor and tranny mounts. Sometimes just looking at them > doesn't reveal their state. You may need to put a jack under them and lift > to make sure they haven't separated? > > -Rob [ 2 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Thu Jul 11 16:10:19 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6BKAJe19122 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 16:10:19 -0400 Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 16:10:19 -0400 Message-Id: <200207112010.g6BKAJg19118@minbar.fourfold.org> From: John Brabyn To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: RR 4.0 Removal Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I found a regular Crescent wouldn't fit on mine (too fat) so got a 36 mm open ender. I have taken it on and off a few times -- just give the wrench a whack with a hammer but make sure it's in the right direction! Instead of trying to remember the "towards or away from the alternator, etc" rules, I find it easier to determine direction by noting which way the fan blades are pitched -- the thread is always such that the resistance generated by the engine turning the fan tightens rather than loosens the nut. Cheers John spencer knight wrote: > Hi, > I've started ripping the engine out of the 4.0 Range Rover. And I've hit > one little stumbling block. I can't get the viscous fan off of the front of > the engine. The book references a tool which I think holds the water pump > pulley while you unbolt the wrench. Would, I think, be a three pronged > thing that you insert into the three holes in the front of the pulley. > Anybody have any idea where I might buy such a tool in the east bay? > Thanks, > Spencer From bens Thu Jul 11 16:15:04 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6BKF4Y19177 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 16:15:04 -0400 Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 16:15:04 -0400 Message-Id: <200207112015.g6BKF4G19173@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Clunk! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Does the sound seem internal or external?? If it's a rear internal clunk, could it be from the rear diff? What about your fuel tank, is it secured tightly? I think you already mentioned checking the driveline, if not, I'd check that over real good. Maybe when checking it with the truck stopped it doesn't show signs of a problem but under weight when moving it could produce the clunk you're hearing. ...just some random thoughts. Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 From bens Thu Jul 11 16:27:21 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6BKRLg19308 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 16:27:21 -0400 Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 16:27:21 -0400 Message-Id: <200207112027.g6BKRLR19304@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Nevada Desert info for non RSVPrs Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org This email has some basic info about the Nevada Desert trip for those who haven't already RSVPd. Those that RSVPd should already have a different email regarding this info... We are getting final permission from the Pauite Indian Reservation to travel along the northern rim of Pyramid Lake, a route that is little used and breathtakingly stunning and requires special permission for groups of more than 2 vehicles. The route will provide us with a magnificent trail onto the eastern side of the Smoke Creek Desert which we will then use to drive overland to Gerlach. Our request to use this route will be decided upon by the Tribal Council at Pyramid Lake this Friday afternoon. We've also heard from various dealerships and companies that we've been requesting sponsorship from for the event. We thought it would be fun to have door prizes, freebies, and other related handouts for the event, in addition to the materials we've already gathered from the USGS and BLM. So far British Pacific and Land Rover Marin are providing us with goodies! We are also in talks with Land Rover Red Wood City, Atlantic British and ARB! The initial 10 trucks have already signed up for this event so the materials from the USGS and BLM are already spoken for (unless someone doesn't show or backs out) but everyone attending will have a hand at the goodies from the dealers and shops. We are making reservations for the group attending at a dog, child and Land Rover friendly hotel/motel in Reno for Thursday night for those coming up on Thursday. For those coming up late late Thursday or early Friday, we are planning to leave from Reno at 8-8:30am sharp on Friday morning. A convoy will be leaving from SF Bay region on Thursday evening whenever is best for those going. If anyone has any additional questions, be sure to let us know! Jason Pipes and Petra Esterle From bens Thu Jul 11 16:28:06 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6BKS6C19323 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 16:28:06 -0400 Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 16:28:06 -0400 Message-Id: <200207112028.g6BKS6u19319@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Tom Walsh" To: Subject: Re: Clunk! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Check the lug nuts! or... have you had any diff work donw recently? TomW ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Rogers" To: "Mendo Recce List" Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 12:52 PM Subject: Clunk! > > > Hello all: > > I just drove my truck to lunch and while approaching a stop sign I heard a > pronounced clunk from the rear of the vehicle. Now every time the weight > shifts front-to-back on the truck I hear a slight clunk. It's clear that > something has let loose. ...And it's not cargo of any sort. > [ 1 additional quoted lines pruned. ] trailing > arms, brakes and I don't see anything loose. Nothing appears broken or > loose, even when I give 'em a good shake. > > Any ideas on what else I should look at? I need to get this squared away > ASAP as we have a run this weekend. > > Thanks in advance, > > [ 4 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Thu Jul 11 16:36:51 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6BKapT19403 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 16:36:51 -0400 Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 16:36:51 -0400 Message-Id: <200207112036.g6BKapg19399@minbar.fourfold.org> From: joe mulqueen To: mendo Subject: re. Castrol Superclean. Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org That stuff is very strong and effective. I used that stuff (along with backed, plastic stripping pads avail at HD) to clean my 109's bare aluminum body after the paint stripping process. After rinsing, I had a nice "water break free" surface. Joe Mulqueen '67 SIIA 109 SW Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 02:03:49 -0400 From: "mpatrykus" Subject: Engine degreasing One of the best degreasers I have found is Castrol Superclean. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From bens Thu Jul 11 16:41:28 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6BKfSQ19439 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 16:41:28 -0400 Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 16:41:28 -0400 Message-Id: <200207112041.g6BKfSS19435@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Blair Peterson" To: "Mendo (E-mail)" Subject: Jeff's clunk Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org My Defender has two clunks: 1. LT77 drive gear coming on/off the power (maybe the most (in)famous Rover clunk of all time?) 2. What I suspect is a radius arm, panhard or leveler device bushing that is wearing out. I think you are excluded from #1 (R380, right?) but maybe could be a susp bushing? Good luck. From bens Thu Jul 11 16:49:08 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6BKn8C19514 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 16:49:08 -0400 Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 16:49:07 -0400 Message-Id: <200207112049.g6BKn7q19510@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Jeff's clunk - Blair's LT77 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Blair, our 110 had the LT77 replaced with the R380, but we still have the wading plug with the tool kit, if you want it it's yours seeing as how the R380 doesn't use a plug. Also, random transmission question - our diff lock light never comes on, ever, even when CDL is most certainly engaged. I swaped bulbs with ones I knew were working and engaged CDL, and still nothing. Might there be something simple that was not connected when the R380 was put in to replace the LT77?? Just grasping at straws I guess, but you never know. Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 From bens Thu Jul 11 17:08:21 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6BL8Lw19648 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 17:08:21 -0400 Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 17:08:20 -0400 Message-Id: <200207112108.g6BL8Kt19644@minbar.fourfold.org> From: joe mulqueen To: mendo Cc: jeffrogers@earthlink.net Subject: re. Clunk! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Jeff, If it's drivetrain related, you may able to find the sound by elevating the rear axle/wheels "securely" on jackstands and running the drivetrain thru the higher gears. Even though the loading is different, the weight of your wheels will probably provide enough inertia to produce the sound (especially while in top gear). Also (but unrelated), this is an excellent way to confirm your driveline & wheel balance. Get your speedo up to 50+ mph and see if your vehicle starts shaking. Just make sure your truck is on level ground, pointed in a safe direction, jack stands secure (test by first trying to tip your truck off 'em) and you're not wearing any loose clothing. Good luck! Joe Mulqueen Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 15:52:17 -0400 From: Jeff Rogers Subject: Clunk! Hello all: I just drove my truck to lunch and while approaching a stop sign I heard a pronounced clunk from the rear of the vehicle......... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From bens Thu Jul 11 17:10:14 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6BLAE119679 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 17:10:14 -0400 Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 17:10:14 -0400 Message-Id: <200207112110.g6BLAEl19675@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Jeff's clunk - Blair's LT77 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "....Might there be something simple that was not connected when the R380 was put in...." There are two wires that push onto pins protruding from the top of the transfer case (the diff lock engagement switch). They are a royal pain to reach from underneath, and totally blind and done only by feel. I managed to get them reconnected after the dealer neglected to do so when they sealed the cam plugs on the motor of my D90. After I did it, I could almost understand why the dealer had skipped it. -Dave G. From bens Thu Jul 11 17:16:27 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6BLGRo19726 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 17:16:27 -0400 Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 17:16:26 -0400 Message-Id: <200207112116.g6BLGQM19722@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Clunk! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Not likely, but check park brake drum while you're under there. Exhaust as well. -Dave G. From bens Thu Jul 11 17:24:00 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6BLO0P19867 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 17:24:00 -0400 Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 17:23:59 -0400 Message-Id: <200207112123.g6BLNxQ19863@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Tom Walsh" To: Subject: Re: Jeff's clunk Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > > My Defender has two clunks: > > 1. LT77 drive gear coming on/off the power (maybe the most (in)famous Rover clunk of all time?) > 2. What I suspect is a radius arm, panhard or leveler device bushing that is wearing out. With that clunk, there are 3 possiblities to quiet it down: 1) as you stated check the panhard rod/ bushings, and tighten them ( or replace bushings ) 2) Check the drive shaft bolts, they can get a little loose and cause the sound at the same time ( accel/de-accel or at gear shift into overdrive in an autobox or any gear in manual ) 3)spline on output/input of tranny/t-case get worn and clunk ( $$ ) >From the sounds of it , Jeff isn't talking about these sounds as ( seemingly per his description ) it started to happen all at once ( where as the above noises gradually kick in ) OH! another clunk possability is the "A" arm the locates the rear axle, the bushing that holds it to the frame can wear out... put the rear of the rig "SAFELY" on jack stands ( IE rear axle and rear wheels "hanging free" and see if you can jiggle the bushing at the A arm attachment to the frame ) TomW ----- Original Message ----- From: "Blair Peterson" To: "Mendo (E-mail)" Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 1:41 PM Subject: Jeff's clunk > > My Defender has two clunks: > > 1. LT77 drive gear coming on/off the power (maybe the most (in)famous Rover clunk of all time?) > 2. What I suspect is a radius arm, panhard or leveler device bushing that is wearing out. > > I think you are excluded from #1 (R380, right?) but maybe could be a susp bushing? > > Good luck. > From bens Thu Jul 11 17:26:54 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6BLQsT19903 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 17:26:54 -0400 Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 17:26:54 -0400 Message-Id: <200207112126.g6BLQsH19899@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Tom Walsh" To: Subject: Re: Jeff's clunk - Blair's LT77 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I believe there is a solenoid that controls the light, its where the 4wd light wires come out of the t-case , at least on the 97's t-case which is different from earlier models... but if my memory serves me the older ones are similar in that department, its worth a look! TomW ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason Pipes" To: Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 1:49 PM Subject: Re: Jeff's clunk - Blair's LT77 > > Blair, our 110 had the LT77 replaced with the R380, but we still have the > wading plug with the tool kit, if you want it it's yours seeing as how the > R380 doesn't use a plug. > > Also, random transmission question - our diff lock light never comes on, > ever, even when CDL is most certainly engaged. I swaped bulbs with ones I > knew were working and engaged CDL, and still nothing. Might there be > something simple that was not connected when the R380 was put in to replace > the LT77?? Just grasping at straws I guess, but you never know. > > Jason Pipes > jpipes@feldgrau.com > www.feldgrau.com > > 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 > > From bens Thu Jul 11 17:29:31 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6BLTVV19929 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 17:29:31 -0400 Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 17:29:31 -0400 Message-Id: <200207112129.g6BLTVx19925@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jeff Rogers To: Mendo Recce List Subject: Re: Clunk! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org All great suggestions. Thanks everyone. I'll be busy tonight! -->Jeff From bens Thu Jul 11 17:30:10 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6BLUAU19954 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 17:30:10 -0400 Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 17:30:10 -0400 Message-Id: <200207112130.g6BLUAf19950@minbar.fourfold.org> From: John Young To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Preferred GPS Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Charles Phu asked: > I am too looking for a GPS, either a handheld unit or one for pc. I don't > really know which one I should get. I'd like to have a really inexpensive > one but still can do the job for both topo/outdoor and street. I'll plug it > into my pc and probably get DeLorme's TopoUSA installed, too. Does the GPS > unit matter in my case? Probably not too much, as long as it has some sort of serial or USB cable and supports the NMEA standard for exchanging GPS data with other devices. I would think most (decent ones) do this. Other than that, I suppose it's a matter of: * color or black/white display * brightness, contrast, size, and resolution of display * battery life if you want to be able to use it hiking (my GM100 eats batteries) * ability to track 12 satellites or just 8 * ease of use (buttons/menus) (important for fumbling with while driving) * internal map memory and available maps (when it's not attached to a laptop) * cost (has come down a lot - also consider used from ebay, etc.) Using a laptop is great on a trip, but too much hassle for around town. I would like to have a bigger display on the unit, but I also like the idea of it being a handheld so that in the event of complete breakdown in the middle of Nevada on a solo trip, and a crazy decision to hike out, I'd like to take the GPS receiver with me. In some cases, you can also attach a GPS receiver to PDA instead of a laptop. There's a number of reviews, etc. on the web, but this is one of the biggies: http://joe.mehaffey.com/default.htm -JY From bens Thu Jul 11 17:59:06 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6BLx6k20101 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 17:59:06 -0400 Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 17:59:06 -0400 Message-Id: <200207112159.g6BLx6E20097@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Shannon Holland To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Jeff's clunk Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I had a weird clunk from the rear of my 110 which turned out to be a loose exhaust mounting. Was annoying as it was very hard to reproduce by manually shaking the exhaust, but very easy any time I went over a speed bump/offroading. For a while I thought it was the auto leveler as it's mounting strap was broken... Shannon On Thursday, July 11, 2002, at 01:41 PM, Blair Peterson wrote: > > My Defender has two clunks: > > 1. LT77 drive gear coming on/off the power (maybe the most (in)famous > Rover clunk of all time?) > 2. What I suspect is a radius arm, panhard or leveler device bushing > that is wearing out. > > I think you are excluded from #1 (R380, right?) but maybe could be a [ 4 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Thu Jul 11 18:00:43 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6BM0hw20162 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 18:00:43 -0400 Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 18:00:43 -0400 Message-Id: <200207112200.g6BM0hw20158@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Shannon Holland To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Jeff's clunk (Well let's call it Shannon's clunk - it's all mine and you can't have it Jeff) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org On Thursday, July 11, 2002, at 01:41 PM, Blair Peterson wrote: > 1. LT77 drive gear coming on/off the power (maybe the most (in)famous > Rover clunk of all time?) > Is this clunk related to the LT77 only? I had it before with the LT77 and now with the R380 still have it (in fact, it's gotten worse the last week or two). Might this be a transfer case or diff related thing as well? Shannon From bens Thu Jul 11 18:04:57 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6BM4vu20179 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 18:04:57 -0400 Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 18:04:57 -0400 Message-Id: <200207112204.g6BM4v420175@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Shannon Holland To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Preferred GPS Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Another important thing to consider when GPS shopping is ability to connect an external antenna (a lot of the smaller/cheaper ones only have a built in antenna). This can make a big difference when used inside a vehicle in a heavily treed or hilly area. If you only want to connect it to a laptop and don't need a separate display (or need to take it hiking), Garmin makes a nice unit where the entire GPS is housed in an antenna that mounts on the roof - then you just supply power and serial connection to the laptop. Not sure how many satellites this one tracks (it's a bit older so it may only do 8 - unless they've updated it). Speed of acquisition is another thing. Some of the newer ones are much much faster at acquiring satellites when they're first powered on. This can be a big plus if you take it on extended hiking trips (where you tend to keep it off most of the time so as to not have to carry many pounds in batteries). Shannon From bens Thu Jul 11 19:36:21 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6BNaLE20716 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 19:36:21 -0400 Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 19:36:21 -0400 Message-Id: <200207112336.g6BNaLk20712@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "mpatrykus" To: Subject: RE: Sightings Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org <> No, Marine Blue, but I think Charles mentioned to me the other day that there's a black 3 door running around LA. As for that green Series III 88 parked along PCH, my buddy's brother saw it yesterday. It was still sitting there, now with a Sheriff's Dept. "REMOVE OR BE TOWED" sticker on it. Mo ------------------------------------------- Introducing NetZero Long Distance Unlimited Long Distance only $29.95/ month! Sign Up Today! www.netzerolongdistance.com From bens Thu Jul 11 19:58:21 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6BNwLJ20843 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 19:58:21 -0400 Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 19:58:21 -0400 Message-Id: <200207112358.g6BNwL120839@minbar.fourfold.org> From: John Brabyn To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Nevada Desert info for non RSVPrs Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Jason -- just wanted to congratulate you on all the organization you have put into this -- great work!! Cheers John Jason Pipes wrote: > This email has some basic info about the Nevada Desert trip for those who > haven't already RSVPd. Those that RSVPd should already have a different > email regarding this info... > > We are getting final permission from the Pauite Indian Reservation to travel > along the northern rim of Pyramid Lake, a route that is little used and > breathtakingly stunning and requires special permission for groups of more > than 2 vehicles. The route will provide us with a magnificent trail onto the > eastern side of the Smoke Creek Desert which we will then use to drive [ 24 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Thu Jul 11 20:34:13 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6C0YDX21003 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 20:34:13 -0400 Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 20:34:12 -0400 Message-Id: <200207120034.g6C0YCd20999@minbar.fourfold.org> From: tryall To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: The Garden of Eden Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 3 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; ] [ audio/x-wav; ] [ application/octet-stream; ] [ 3215 lines filtered. ] --EP0mR48Ty4j1270v1Kn83376015e175X From bens Thu Jul 11 20:48:12 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6C0mCk21116 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 20:48:12 -0400 Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 20:48:12 -0400 Message-Id: <200207120048.g6C0mCn21112@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Bruce R. Bonar" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Ham Code question Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Morse code gold is an excellent dos program and was cheap. I believe i lent it to someone but don't remember who. Bruce "Kerner, Rob" wrote: > Anyone out there have study materials they want to loan/give me so I can > start learning Morse Code? I figured someone must have them gathering dust. > > And Bruce I still have your technician book, which I had with me at Mendo to > return...:( > > -Rob From bens Thu Jul 11 21:13:25 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6C1DPq21259 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 21:13:25 -0400 Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 21:13:24 -0400 Message-Id: <200207120113.g6C1DOp21255@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jeff Rogers To: Mendo Recce List Subject: Re: Nevada Desert info for non RSVPrs Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org on 7/11/02 4:58 PM, John Brabyn at brabyn@ski.org wrote: > > Jason -- just wanted to congratulate you on all the organization you have put > into this -- great work!! > > Cheers > > John I second that. Really excellent Jason. -->Jeff From bens Thu Jul 11 22:56:13 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6C2uDX21830 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 22:56:13 -0400 Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 22:56:13 -0400 Message-Id: <200207120256.g6C2uDm21826@minbar.fourfold.org> From: StevHutch@aol.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: 2bbl set Up Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset="US-ASCII" ] [ 22 lines filtered. ] It looks like a very nice , clean setup....however I am using a slightly different 2 bbl Weber (32-36DGIV I think) and it is mounted on an aluminum adapter on my stock manifold..the main diffrence is it sits at 90 degrees to the one shown in the pic, asnd that it how I have adapted my throttle control levers . Hmmmmm - Steve H. ============== > Cool! Funny thing: I was driving down the highway from Willits to Ukiah > today > (behind a Disco II this time, no rare 2-door 109s in sight) and wondering > what > sort of manifold the 2.5-liter LR engines had used for the 2-bbl Weber. I > might have to get one of those manifolds one day. I have the Pierce > manifold > and would certainly rather have that one. > [ 4 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Thu Jul 11 23:30:17 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6C3UHK22013 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 23:30:17 -0400 Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 23:30:17 -0400 Message-Id: <200207120330.g6C3UHO22009@minbar.fourfold.org> From: SFmms@aol.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: LR clubs Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset="US-ASCII" ] [ 12 lines filtered. ] Jeff writes: > Hopefully people will stop the mud slinging on the list > if we know them personally. > I was only posting personal observations formed after a number of encounters and related only one. I was a member (#169) of the club for a few years (SCLR sticker is still on my SIII) and still run into them at the meets down here. The feel of the club changed and I decided to leave. Only wish I still lived in Davis or NorCal so I could be in NCRC. Karen Sindir From bens Fri Jul 12 04:41:38 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6C8fcm24656 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 04:41:38 -0400 Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 04:41:38 -0400 Message-Id: <200207120841.g6C8fcv24652@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "mpatrykus" To: Subject: Hydration Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org <> Plain old water should be just fine. If you consume too much in the way of electrolytes, it can just make you thirstier. And don't wait to be thirsty, since that is the first sign of dehydration. Pedialyte is a good alternative to sports drinks. You can drink 500 cc of pedialyte around midday and the rest of the time go with straight H2O. Mo ------------------------------------------- Introducing NetZero Long Distance Unlimited Long Distance only $29.95/ month! Sign Up Today! www.netzerolongdistance.com From bens Fri Jul 12 05:48:24 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6C9mO924884 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 05:48:24 -0400 Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 05:48:24 -0400 Message-Id: <200207120948.g6C9mOB24880@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Tom Walsh" To: Subject: Re: The Garden of Eden Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org uns ub this jerk! TomW ----- Original Message ----- From: "tryall" To: Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 5:34 PM Subject: The Garden of Eden > > [ 3 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] > [ text/html; ] > [ audio/x-wav; ] > [ application/octet-stream; ] > [ 3215 lines filtered. ] > --EP0mR48Ty4j1270v1Kn83376015e175X > From bens Fri Jul 12 12:01:08 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6CG18g27708 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 12:01:08 -0400 Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 12:01:08 -0400 Message-Id: <200207121601.g6CG18Q27699@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gerry Elam" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: USA Today & Freelander Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org USA Today did a review of the Freelander. To say that the reviewer didn't like it would be an understatement. Cheers, Gerry _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From bens Fri Jul 12 12:12:20 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6CGCKo27803 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 12:12:20 -0400 Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 12:12:19 -0400 Message-Id: <200207121612.g6CGCJs27799@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Shane Ballensky To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: USA Today & Freelander Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org This might help: http://www.usatoday.com/money/columns/healey/2002-07-12-freelander.htm At 09:01 AM 7/12/02, you wrote: >USA Today did a review of the Freelander. To say that the reviewer didn't >like it would be an understatement. From bens Fri Jul 12 13:04:02 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6CH42W28231 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 13:04:02 -0400 Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 13:04:01 -0400 Message-Id: <200207121704.g6CH41828227@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Brian Horner To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: USA Today & Freelander Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I was recently looking for a new car and the Freelander was the first and only vehicle on my list. I was sold before I even drove it because of its name, size and gas standards which fit the bill with my daily commute. I didn't care about off-road worthiness since I have a Series III for my weekend explorations. Well the time came and off I went to Land Rover of Marin to get my new car. First of all, I am 6' 2" and I, like the USA Today article suggested, had a hard time getting in and out of the Freelander. Then the real deal killer was when I asked why I couldn't lower the seat the salesman told me: "It makes people feel like they are riding higher up than they are - people like that!". It was at this moment I knew i probably wouldn't buy this car since my head was almost hitting the roof and there was no way to lower the seat. I test drove it anyway. It cornered okay but the engine in the SE (middle class) lacked any ZOOM. It isn't like I'm hard to please, I drive an old Series III and my girlfriend drives an old four cylinder VW Jetta. The other deal breaker was the lack of space in the back - almost none. I mean, what's the point of an SUV that isn't for off-roading AND can't carry more than 4 people and 2 bags of groceries? I was also surprised at the rear drum breaks on a 30k+ vehicle. Just for kicks I went to look at the J**p Liberty, Freelander's closest competitor, and learned that Land Rover was fighting a losing battle with the small SUV line. The Liberty offered a low gear, trunk space, zippy engine, smaller price tag and height adjustable seats. I didn't buy it because, over all, I felt that the Liberty was a little to girly for me but it did beat the Freelander at every punch. I was so disappointed with all the new cars out there that I bought a used 94 LWB Classic instead. Turns out that I made teh correct choice - I just love the LWB Classic, one of the best rides I have ever owned. It cost me less than HALF of what a new Freelander costs and that includes an extended warranty good for 3 years or 36k miles - you just can't beat it! I look forward to when the Defender hits U.S. soil again. When is that again - 2010? (hahaha) Brian On Friday, July 12, 2002, at 09:12 AM, Shane Ballensky wrote: > > > This might help: > http://www.usatoday.com/money/columns/healey/2002-07-12-freelander.htm > > At 09:01 AM 7/12/02, you wrote: > >> USA Today did a review of the Freelander. To say that the reviewer >> didn't [ 3 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ---------------------------------------------------------- http://www.roverme.org Land Rover Community, Links and Email Services From bens Fri Jul 12 13:08:04 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6CH84v28276 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 13:08:04 -0400 Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 13:08:04 -0400 Message-Id: <200207121708.g6CH84k28272@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Brian Horner To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Sightings Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Now THAT is funny! Brian On Wednesday, July 10, 2002, at 11:32 PM, mpatrykus wrote: > Finally, a brief indicent of mockery, July 3: > > I am northbound on Torrey Pines Road leaving San Diego. From the red > Chevy > pickup in the next lane, I hear, > Moron 1: "You gotta tire on your hood." > Moron 2:"Heh-heh!" > > Mo ---------------------------------------------------------- http://www.roverme.org Land Rover Community, Links and Email Services From bens Fri Jul 12 13:20:05 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6CHK5I28470 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 13:20:05 -0400 Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 13:20:05 -0400 Message-Id: <200207121720.g6CHK5j28466@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Benjamin Smith To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: USA Today & Freelander Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In message <200207121704.g6CH41828227@minbar.fourfold.org>you wrote: > I was so disappointed with all the new cars out there that I bought a > used 94 LWB Classic instead. Interesting. I'm 6'4". The only way that I can fit in a RR (mk I) is to recline the seats. Otherwise my head keeps bouncing off the ceiling (and thats with the seats full down). So I got the Disco instead and have no issues. Ben From bens Fri Jul 12 13:20:43 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6CHKhh28511 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 13:20:43 -0400 Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 13:20:43 -0400 Message-Id: <200207121720.g6CHKha28507@minbar.fourfold.org> From: James Howard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Hydration Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org When we hiked to the bottom of the Grand Canyon in July of 1999, we had a case of dehydration. We talked to one of the rangers about staying hydrated, and he said he had tried many things, and was totally sold on straight Gatorade. This from a guy who has hiked in and out several times a month for years. He also said you could get an electrolyte imbalace if you got too hydrated, indicated by totally clear pee. He said a slight Mello Yello color was best. James mpatrykus wrote: From bens Fri Jul 12 13:24:55 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6CHOtm28563 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 13:24:55 -0400 Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 13:24:55 -0400 Message-Id: <200207121724.g6CHOtM28559@minbar.fourfold.org> From: James Howard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: USA Today & Freelander Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Brian Horner wrote: > > I was also surprised at the rear drum > breaks on a 30k+ vehicle. I was totally surpised in the grocery store parking lot the other day to see that the first generation Cadillac Escalade had rear drum brakes. But then, why anyone would buy something that looks like a Chevy Tahoe with glued on plastic is beyond me. From bens Fri Jul 12 13:36:59 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6CHaxN28693 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 13:36:59 -0400 Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 13:36:59 -0400 Message-Id: <200207121736.g6CHaxS28689@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Brian Horner To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: USA Today & Freelander Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Ben, Yes, my Series II Discovery left me with miles of extra head-room. I have about 2 1/2 to about 3 inches of head clearance in my Rangie which is just plenty for driving around on paved roads. I am sure that those three inches will seem a lot smaller when I am bouncing around crawling over some rocks. ;o) Another impressive item on the Classic Range Rover, in my humble opinion, is that it is the only Rover that actually have good vertical visibility. In both the Freelander I test drove and in my Series II Discovery, I had to hunch forward to see when a traffic light changed if I was one of the first couple vehicles from the light. Either way - i am not disputing the greatness of the Disco, it is one of my all time favorite vehicles. I am not a Range Rover specialist but is it possible that a MK1 is smaller (in internal hight) than a 1994 LWB? Thanks Brian On Friday, July 12, 2002, at 10:20 AM, Benjamin Smith wrote: > > In message <200207121704.g6CH41828227@minbar.fourfold.org>you wrote: > >> I was so disappointed with all the new cars out there that I bought a >> used 94 LWB Classic instead. > > Interesting. I'm 6'4". The only way that I can fit in a RR (mk I) > is to recline the seats. Otherwise my head keeps bouncing off the > ceiling (and [ 5 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ---------------------------------------------------------- http://www.roverme.org Land Rover Community, Links and Email Services From bens Fri Jul 12 13:41:58 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6CHfwj28739 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 13:41:58 -0400 Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 13:41:58 -0400 Message-Id: <200207121741.g6CHfwW28735@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jeff Rogers To: Mendo Recce List Subject: Re: USA Today & Freelander Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org on 7/12/02 10:04 AM, Brian Horner at brian@roverme.org wrote: > I look forward to when the Defender hits U.S. soil again. When is that > again - 2010? (hahaha) Hopefully it won't be so dumbed-down. From bens Fri Jul 12 14:18:12 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6CIICt29058 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 14:18:12 -0400 Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 14:18:12 -0400 Message-Id: <200207121818.g6CIICb29054@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: Drum brakes Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Before we "squeek" too much over drum brakes in the rear of modern vehicles, consider the facts. Most importantly, anything more than enough to lock the wheels is overkill. With the forward weight transfer under braking, we're left with very little normal force on the road surface (and therefore very little frictional force opposite the direction of travel) at the rear wheel contact patches. So those puny little drum brakes are more than enough to do the job. They're cheap, effective, reliable....What's the problem? :^) -Dave G. From bens Fri Jul 12 14:22:29 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6CIMTu29123 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 14:22:29 -0400 Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 14:22:29 -0400 Message-Id: <200207121822.g6CIMT029119@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Benjamin Smith To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: USA Today & Freelander Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In message <200207121736.g6CHaxS28689@minbar.fourfold.org>you wrote: > I am not a Range Rover specialist but is it possible that a MK1 is > smaller (in internal hight) than a 1994 LWB? By RR MkI, I'm referring to the model that was made from 1969 to 1995, (aka Classic) not the 2nd or 3rd generation. I think that I might just have fit ones without sun roofs. Ben From bens Fri Jul 12 14:32:41 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6CIWfu29294 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 14:32:41 -0400 Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 14:32:41 -0400 Message-Id: <200207121832.g6CIWfN29290@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Brian Horner To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: USA Today & Freelander Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Right. errr.... I probably should have known that. Either way - I am not having any problem sitting up straight in my Rangie - even with my head not sticking out the sunroof. ;o) Ciao! Brian On Friday, July 12, 2002, at 11:22 AM, Benjamin Smith wrote: > > In message <200207121736.g6CHaxS28689@minbar.fourfold.org>you wrote: > >> I am not a Range Rover specialist but is it possible that a MK1 is >> smaller (in internal hight) than a 1994 LWB? > > By RR MkI, I'm referring to the model that was made from 1969 to 1995, > (aka Classic) not the 2nd or 3rd generation. I think that I might just > have [ 4 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ---------------------------------------------------------- http://www.roverme.org Land Rover Community, Links and Email Services From bens Fri Jul 12 14:40:52 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6CIeqd29364 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 14:40:52 -0400 Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 14:40:51 -0400 Message-Id: <200207121840.g6CIep129360@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Brian Horner To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Drum brakes Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi David, Interesting point but here is the flip side of that coin. Manual windows really do a fine job at raising and lowing my windows but when I pay a high sticker price - I want the most current technology, aka: Electric Windows, to perform this function for me. More to the point, drum brakes will stop a Freelander just fine but disk brakes would require less peddle power, would reduce uncontrolled skidding in emergency situations and would lower the insurance premium. Just another view. Brian On Friday, July 12, 2002, at 11:18 AM, Gomes, David wrote: > > Before we "squeek" too much over drum brakes in the rear of modern > vehicles, > consider the facts. Most importantly, anything more than enough to > lock the > wheels is overkill. With the forward weight transfer under braking, > we're > left with very little normal force on the road surface (and therefore > very [ 9 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ---------------------------------------------------------- http://www.roverme.org Land Rover Community, Links and Email Services From bens Fri Jul 12 14:46:56 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6CIkuB29412 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 14:46:56 -0400 Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 14:46:56 -0400 Message-Id: <200207121846.g6CIku329408@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "G. Mugele" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Drum brakes Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org At 2:18 PM -0400 7/12/02, Gomes, David wrote: > With the forward weight transfer under braking, we're >left with very little normal force on the road surface (and therefore very >little frictional force opposite the direction of travel) at the rear wheel >contact patches. So those puny little drum brakes are more than enough to >do the job. They're cheap, effective, reliable....What's the problem? :^) True when you're on level ground or have the nose pointed downhill. However, it would be nice to have something a little better when the weight transfer is the other way around; like when you've just lost traction on a dramatic uphill and your truck is anxious to descend quickly in reverse. BTDT Until the day I needed it reverse, I wondered why the Series SWB trucks have the same braking at both ends. Gerry ** There are 10 types of people in the world. ** Those who understand binary and those who don't. From bens Fri Jul 12 14:48:08 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6CIm8C29433 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 14:48:08 -0400 Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 14:48:08 -0400 Message-Id: <200207121848.g6CIm8d29429@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Shannon Holland To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Land Rover for sale Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org A friend sent me a link this morning for a Land Rover (109) for sale that's had Volvo C303 portal axels installed: http://www.geocities.com/landyshah/adik7.html The main page (Land Rovers in Malaysia has all sorts of interesting things. http://www.geocities.com/landyshah/adik.html Shannon From bens Fri Jul 12 14:49:19 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6CInJL29449 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 14:49:19 -0400 Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 14:49:19 -0400 Message-Id: <200207121849.g6CInJ029445@minbar.fourfold.org> From: James Howard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Drum brakes Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org They are ugly, it is harder to change shoes than to change pads, and my Range Rover has rear discs and your Cadillac doesn't, nyah, nyah. Actually, doesn't the fact that you can lock the brakes not necessarily translate into the shortest possible stopping distances? "Gomes, David" wrote: From bens Fri Jul 12 15:49:24 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6CJnOV30024 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 15:49:24 -0400 Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 15:49:24 -0400 Message-Id: <200207121949.g6CJnOh30020@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Peter Ogilvie To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Drum brakes Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Rear brakes on a 109 are leading shoe type. Somewhat self actuating going forward, thus more efficient at stopping. Problem is they are less efficient (higher pedal pressure) going backwards. Suppose you could modify the rear brakes so they weren't leading shoe type and get better rearward braking. Heard that Chrysler jumped on the leading shoe 'band wagon' in a big wayin the '30's before brake boosts were common. Worked great going forward, since they used leading shoes on BOTH the front and rear axles, pedal pressure was noticably reduced. Unfortuately, they were accidents waiting to happen in reverse. Depending on design, changing disk brake pads can be easier than changing drum brake shoes. Some disk brakes require special tools, however, to change the pads. Personally, possibly 'cause I've had so much practice, find it very little harder or time consuming to change Rover shoes than a disk brake pad. Aloha Peter O. Aloha Peter O. > They are ugly, it is harder to change shoes than to > change pads, and my > Range Rover has rear discs and your Cadillac > doesn't, nyah, nyah. > > Actually, doesn't the fact that you can lock the > brakes not necessarily > translate into the shortest possible stopping > distances? [ 2 additional quoted lines pruned. ] __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From bens Fri Jul 12 18:10:42 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6CMAg131003 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 18:10:42 -0400 Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 18:10:41 -0400 Message-Id: <200207122210.g6CMAf830999@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Drum brakes Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Brian said.... "....but disk brakes would require less peddle power, would reduce uncontrolled skidding in emergency situations and would lower the insurance premium....." Er.....not sure why you believe any of the above to be true.... - pedal pressure required is related to design of the components involved (mainly relationship of MC to SC bore, swept area, and assist applied), not to the type of braking system. - reduction of uncontrolled skidding is related to the ability to modulate system hydraulic pressure (manually or automatically), not to the type of braking system (ABS works just great on rear drum brakes). - insurance premiums.....well, I don't know WHAT dimension of reality those are based on. :^) James said: "....doesn't the fact that you can lock the brakes not necessarily translate into the shortest possible stopping distances?..." My point was that if you CAN lock the brakes, then the braking system is more than adequate for your needs, since the least stopping distance is achieved BEFORE the brakes lock. Just because you can lock the brakes, doesn't mean you should, or do. Disk brakes DO have the advantage of not being effected by "self-actuating" forces that make drum brakes feel different depending on rolling direction. That's a good thing. So, if you need that margin offered by disk brakes to keep you from traveling at excessive speeds in reverse, by all means, the disks offer some advantage. Durability and ease of changing components is MUCH more a function of whether the manufacturer gave even a second's thought to either when the system was designed. The single piston sliding caliper systems used on the front practically every GM product through the 70s and 80s were a nightmarish step backwards in durability and maintainability from any drum system I ever saw. This was one time where advancing technology really helped. These ugly beasts had such unpredictable force characteristics and pressure modulation response, that when ABS systems came to front brakes, these systems HAD to be re-designed because the ABS controllers couldn't be programmed to predict their behavior. Oops...rambling again...sorry.... To heck with brakes. Belly up to the bar, boys and girls. Next round is on me. :^) -Dave G. PS - the G has this weird thing I haven't seen on any other vehicle. Mounted to the chassis above the rear axle, is a little pressure limiting valve. The rear hydraulic line goes through this valve before going out to the wheel cylinders. There's a linkage going from the valve down to the rear axle that adjusts the spring force holding a sort of pop-off valve depending on how far the rear springs are compressed. In this way, they put more hydraulic pressure to the rear brakes when the vehicle is loaded than when it's empty. Kind of a neat idea, but I'm not sure how much practical value it has. I haven't done any stopping distance tests loaded and unloaded with the pressure modulator connected and disconnected. From bens Fri Jul 12 18:32:25 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6CMWPF31148 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 18:32:25 -0400 Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 18:32:25 -0400 Message-Id: <200207122232.g6CMWPM31144@minbar.fourfold.org> From: James Howard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Drum brakes Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "Gomes, David" wrote: > > "....doesn't the fact that you can lock the brakes not necessarily > translate into the shortest possible stopping distances?..." > > My point was that if you CAN lock the brakes, then the braking system is > more than adequate for your needs, since the least stopping distance is > achieved BEFORE the brakes lock. I guess my point was that some designs make it easier to hold the brakes at this level (just before lock) than others, giving you consistently shorter stopping distances. > PS - the G has this weird thing I haven't seen on any other vehicle. > Mounted to the chassis above the rear axle, is a little pressure limiting This must be the "automatic proportioning valve" they mentioned on Motorweek last night on the channel formerly known as Speedvision. They did a review of the G-wagen, and mentioned it in passing. I am glad you gave more detail. James From bens Fri Jul 12 19:30:25 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6CNUP031403 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 19:30:25 -0400 Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 19:30:25 -0400 Message-Id: <200207122330.g6CNUPb31399@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Drum brakes Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org At 11:49 AM 7/12/2002, James H. wrote: >They are ugly, it is harder to change shoes than to change pads, and my >Range Rover has rear discs and your Cadillac doesn't, nyah, nyah. Hi, Actually my wife's cadillac has 4 wheel disc brakes. It stops just fine thank you! Bob B >Actually, doesn't the fact that you can lock the brakes not necessarily >translate into the shortest possible stopping distances? > >"Gomes, David" wrote: From bens Fri Jul 12 19:57:11 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6CNvB031550 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 19:57:11 -0400 Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 19:57:11 -0400 Message-Id: <200207122357.g6CNvBD31546@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Drum brakes Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "...did a review of the G-wagen, and mentioned it in passing...." Hmmm. I didn't know they still had it on the 463s. I'd have thought they'd have moved to a fancier electronic control by now. But who knows. I'll get a chance to look at one next week. I'll have to see if it's the same. -Dave G. From bens Fri Jul 12 20:42:27 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6D0gRC31732 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 20:42:27 -0400 Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 20:42:27 -0400 Message-Id: <200207130042.g6D0gRq31728@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Joe Smo To: mendo_list Subject: free windows morse code trainer Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org A free windows morse code trainer can be found at: http://www.qsl.net/dk5ci/ Joe Palecek __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com From bens Fri Jul 12 21:28:20 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6D1SKW31933 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 21:28:20 -0400 Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 21:28:20 -0400 Message-Id: <200207130128.g6D1SKm31929@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Eric Fournier To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Drum brakes Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Weight transfer is also a function of how much friction is available to the tires. Forward weight transfer is significantly higher on dry asphalt than on wet or say, off-road where traction may be limited and the rears will provide a greater proportion of work (of course, there'll be less overall braking force available). But as you say, hard to say if discs in the rear provide a real world difference... Interesting little gadget your G has... It wasn't too uncommon on passenger cars to have a proportioning valve connected to the rear suspension that reduces the pressure available to the rear brakes as the suspension unloads due to forward weight transfer. This is now absolete as ABS takes care of everything for us now ;-) Blah blah blah...going to the fridge to get a beer. Eric Fournier On Friday, July 12, 2002, at 03:10 PM, Gomes, David wrote: > > Brian said.... > "....but disk brakes would require less peddle power, would reduce > uncontrolled skidding in > emergency situations and would lower the insurance premium....." > > Er.....not sure why you believe any of the above to be true.... > - pedal pressure required is related to design of the components > involved [ 69 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Fri Jul 12 22:41:18 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6D2fIR32264 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 22:41:18 -0400 Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 22:41:18 -0400 Message-Id: <200207130241.g6D2fI632260@minbar.fourfold.org> From: john hess To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Drum brakes/beer Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Yeah, I'm there. We called the Graduate in town to see if they had the TdeF on the TV (they have 11) and they said no. I called Lamppost Pizza, they said yes, but they'd only switch the channel if we came in. Sounded reasonable, so we went down and had dinner. Alex ate a whole medium pepperoni pizza by himself (Some of you folks know Alex). cheers to all, >Blah blah blah...going to the fridge to get a beer. > >Eric Fournier > > >On Friday, July 12, 2002, at 03:10 PM, Gomes, David wrote: > > > > > Brian said.... [ 8 additional quoted lines pruned. ] John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Land Rover Dormobile web pages: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby" 1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" 1999 Bianchi Milano, 2001 Bianchi Pista 2002 Meridian Attache Softride Tandem From bens Fri Jul 12 22:43:34 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6D2hYM32280 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 22:43:34 -0400 Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 22:43:34 -0400 Message-Id: <200207130243.g6D2hYv32276@minbar.fourfold.org> From: john hess To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Nevada Desert info for non RSVPrs Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hey thanks, Are you departing for home on Sunday, or are folks going home Monday? Inquiring Dormie want to know. cheers, >This email has some basic info about the Nevada Desert trip for those who >haven't already RSVPd. Those that RSVPd should already have a different >email regarding this info... > >We are getting final permission from the Pauite Indian Reservation to travel >along the northern rim of Pyramid Lake, a route that is little used and >breathtakingly stunning and requires special permission for groups of more >than 2 vehicles. The route will provide us with a magnificent trail onto the >eastern side of the Smoke Creek Desert which we will then use to drive [ 24 additional quoted lines pruned. ] John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Land Rover Dormobile web pages: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby" 1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" 1999 Bianchi Milano, 2001 Bianchi Pista 2002 Meridian Attache Softride Tandem From bens Sat Jul 13 01:31:59 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6D5VxH01728 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 01:31:59 -0400 Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 01:31:59 -0400 Message-Id: <200207130531.g6D5VxN01724@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Peter Hope" To: Subject: Re: USA Today & Freelander Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > This might help: > http://www.usatoday.com/money/columns/healey/2002-07-12-freelander.htm > hmph. I got a chance to see my first freelander in person. LR of Honolulu has a bunch so I stopped in after lunch. Boy they sure are tiny up close. Din't have the time or desire to do a test drive. Pete From bens Sat Jul 13 01:44:34 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6D5iY501783 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 01:44:34 -0400 Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 01:44:34 -0400 Message-Id: <200207130544.g6D5iYL01779@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Peter Hope" To: Subject: Re: Hydration Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > straight Gatorade. This from a guy who has hiked in and out several > times a month for years. He also said you could get an electrolyte > imbalace if you got too hydrated, indicated by totally clear pee. He > said a slight Mello Yello color was best. Correctomundo. Gatoraid is kinda hi in calories. And I do think you could get too much of the stuff, but solid water with an improper diet and you can flush out your system and cause problems = Low electrolyte levels. Piedialite, or gatoraid in moderation. I like a 1-4 ratio. Drink a gallon of water, down a bottle of gatoraid. I have been in situations were it's not uncommon to down 3-5 gallons in a 24 hour period. One thing we used to do is to take a 1qt canteen toss in 2-3 spoons of powdered aid and a half spoon of salt. Drink half. Eat two spoons of folgers crystals. Drink the rest. Good to hook :-) Pete From bens Sat Jul 13 02:53:07 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6D6r7M02039 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 02:53:07 -0400 Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 02:53:07 -0400 Message-Id: <200207130653.g6D6r7Q02035@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Nevada Desert info for non RSVPrs Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org John, others, That's a good question, and it will depend on whatever people are wanting to do specifically. The idea is to hit the trails starting Friday morning, leaving from Reno at about 8am, giving us three full days to explore. The third day, Sunday, most people if not everyone will want/need to be heading home and the route we've choosen for that day was designed to head towards Reno for that reason. We also have two routes for the last hours of the last leg of the day on Sunday, a slow scenic route back to Reno and a fast sorta-scenic route back to Reno. People can choose which to take later in the day on Sunday. There might be a few who will want to call it a day on Sunday afternoon and pick up and go home on Monday instead, rather than drive the 150+ miles back to the Bay Area after driving all day already. But as planned, we're assuming everyone will want to convoy back home on Sunday. Hope you can join us!! jpipes >Hey thanks, Are you departing for home on Sunday, or are folks going >home Monday? Inquiring Dormie want to know. > >cheers, > > >>This email has some basic info about the Nevada Desert trip for those who >>haven't already RSVPd. Those that RSVPd should already have a different >>email regarding this info... [ 18 additional quoted lines pruned. ] -- Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 From bens Sat Jul 13 03:01:18 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6D71Iv02089 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 03:01:18 -0400 Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 03:01:18 -0400 Message-Id: <200207130701.g6D71IV02085@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Shane Ballensky To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: POE hard top FOR SALE Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > >I'm considering selling my POE top. >94 D90 Port of Entry hard top. Sides are conniston green. >has rear lift gate that works with the rear tailgate on a soft top D90. >Also includes 95 D90 SW interior roll cage. >Everything needed for the swap *except* the front external roll cage hoop. > >$2500.00 >Shane From bens Sat Jul 13 03:21:26 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6D7LQ002181 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 03:21:26 -0400 Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 03:21:25 -0400 Message-Id: <200207130721.g6D7LPN02177@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: lotsa LRs in a movie sighting Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Just got home from pulling the waterpump on the 110 (successful, will reinstall new one tomorrow) and was flipping through the cable channels when I stopped on a movie on HBO called Shergar from 1999. Caught about the last 10 minutes of the film which just so happend to be during a CHASE scene with about 10 Land Rovers, including Series III 88s and 109s, a Series I swb, an older RR, and a bunch of others. A couple of the trucks actually did "jumps" in a field. Not sure about the movie, and the footage I caught wasn't that long or anything, but to see a huge group of Rovers speeding overland in a chase scene was pretty neat! Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 From bens Sat Jul 13 11:15:00 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6DFF0d04003 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 11:15:00 -0400 Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 11:14:59 -0400 Message-Id: <200207131514.g6DFExb03999@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kevin Kelly" To: "Mendo List" Subject: Range Rover Headroom Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Ben Smith wrote: >Interesting. I'm 6'4". The only way that I can fit in >a RR (mk I) is to recline the seats. I'm a little over 6'2" and I've got 2"-3" of headroom in the RR Classic, but when my 5'11" Dad (with shorter legs and a longer body) drives it his hair touches the headliner. Brian Horner wrote: >I am not a Range Rover specialist but is it possible >that a MK1 is smaller (in internal height) than a 1994 > LWB? All the Range Rover MK1s/Classics with sunroofs (including the LWBs that just have longer back doors and a longer roof) have the same amount of headroom. The few early NAS RR Classics that were sold without sunroofs do have a little more front headroom. Kevin From bens Sat Jul 13 11:27:54 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6DFRsI04091 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 11:27:54 -0400 Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 11:27:54 -0400 Message-Id: <200207131527.g6DFRsq04087@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Land Rover for sale Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Wow! I'm surprised that we haven't heard from Granny yet on this one. There is a Volvo that's like a smallish 101 here in town but I hadn't looked underneath yet to notice the portal axles. It's owned by the Paradise Surplus store so I might take a look next time I go by there. I've looked at it before and there are no Identifying tags on it so I had to ask him what it was. Bob B At 11:48 AM 7/12/2002, you wrote: >A friend sent me a link this morning for a Land Rover (109) for sale >that's had Volvo C303 portal axels installed: > >http://www.geocities.com/landyshah/adik7.html > >The main page (Land Rovers in Malaysia has all sorts of interesting >things. > >http://www.geocities.com/landyshah/adik.html [ 2 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Sat Jul 13 12:37:12 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6DGbCi04398 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 12:37:12 -0400 Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 12:37:12 -0400 Message-Id: <200207131637.g6DGbCY04394@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Shane Ballensky To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Land Rover for sale Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Does he want to sell it? At 08:27 AM 7/13/02, you wrote: >There is a Volvo that's like a smallish 101 here in town but I hadn't >looked underneath yet to notice the portal axles. >It's owned by the Paradise Surplus store so I might take a look next time I >go by there. >I've looked at it before and there are no Identifying tags on it so I had >to ask him what it was. From bens Sat Jul 13 13:48:57 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6DHmvV04648 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 13:48:57 -0400 Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 13:48:57 -0400 Message-Id: <200207131748.g6DHmvp04644@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Land Rover for sale Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- Bob & Sue Bernard wrote: > > Wow! > I'm surprised that we haven't heard from Granny yet on > this one. > > There is a Volvo that's like a smallish 101 here in town > but I hadn't > looked underneath yet to notice the portal axles. > It's owned by the Paradise Surplus store so I might take [ 5 additional quoted lines pruned. ] I have wanted to see one of these in person for years. I understand they are actually pretty good off-road. is it the hard or soft top? The volvo laplanders are rally cool in an ugly way...strange doors if I recall... Paul __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com From bens Sat Jul 13 13:51:51 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6DHppR04690 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 13:51:51 -0400 Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 13:51:51 -0400 Message-Id: <200207131751.g6DHppN04686@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Land Rover for sale Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I really doubt it. He drives it often. He is proud of it and enjoys it a lot. Bob B At 09:37 AM 7/13/2002, you wrote: >Does he want to sell it? > > > >At 08:27 AM 7/13/02, you wrote: > >There is a Volvo that's like a smallish 101 here in town but I hadn't > >looked underneath yet to notice the portal axles. > >It's owned by the Paradise Surplus store so I might take a look next time I > >go by there. [ 2 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Sat Jul 13 13:56:50 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6DHuoZ04721 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 13:56:50 -0400 Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 13:56:50 -0400 Message-Id: <200207131756.g6DHuoc04717@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Land Rover for sale Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org It's a soft top. Bob B At 10:48 AM 7/13/2002, you wrote: >--- Bob & Sue Bernard wrote: > > > > Wow! > > I'm surprised that we haven't heard from Granny yet on > > this one. > > > > There is a Volvo that's like a smallish 101 here in town > > but I hadn't > > looked underneath yet to notice the portal axles. [ 13 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Sat Jul 13 15:26:07 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6DJQ7B05112 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 15:26:07 -0400 Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 15:26:06 -0400 Message-Id: <200207131926.g6DJQ6Y05108@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Franklin H. Yap" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Land Rover for sale Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi Bob, Does it look like this? See, http://home.earthlink.net/~ceyap/page9.html Frank ------------------------------- Bob & Sue Bernard wrote: >Wow! >I'm surprised that we haven't heard from Granny yet on this one. > >There is a Volvo that's like a smallish 101 here in town but I hadn't >looked underneath yet to notice the portal axles. > From bens Sat Jul 13 22:59:49 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6E2xnd06889 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 22:59:49 -0400 Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 22:59:49 -0400 Message-Id: <200207140259.g6E2xn406885@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Land Rover for sale Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Frank, The picture isn't quite clear enough, but I think the ons up here is a bit smaller and I think the soft top goes all the way to the front. I will make a trip over to the other side of town monday to see it if he brings it to work, then I'll have a better picture of it. If I see him, I'll ask more about it. It does have the flat nose though. Bob B At 12:26 PM 7/13/2002, you wrote: >Hi Bob, > >Does it look like this? See, http://home.earthlink.net/~ceyap/page9.html > >Frank > >------------------------------- > >Bob & Sue Bernard wrote: [ 7 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Sat Jul 13 23:22:59 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6E3Mxo06993 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 23:22:59 -0400 Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 23:22:58 -0400 Message-Id: <200207140322.g6E3Mw506989@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Granville Pool" To: Subject: Portal Axles, was Re: Land Rover for sale Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Bob, > Wow! > I'm surprised that we haven't heard from Granny yet on this one. That's because I have been busy and we have kids visiting who have been sleeping in my office every time I've had time to get on the computer. Until now. Yes, it's true, I've long lusted for portal axles on a Land-Rover and have never understood why the LR 101FC didn't get them. It's interesting that the owner says the conversion is easy with leaf-sprung LRs but doesn't seem to work well with coilers. Unimogs have portal axles and coils. There was an aftermarket portal axle conversion for Defenders for a while but I guess the cost limited sales to the point that it went away. So how hard (expensive) is it to get a pair of these suitable Volvo axles... ? I've seen a couple of the Laplanders in the flesh but both were hardtops. Shane, if you want something with portal axles, how about a nice old Unimog radio-body rig? There is (or was) one for sale in Ukiah. I think the asking price was about $5,500 or thereabouts. Granny From bens Sun Jul 14 00:26:43 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6E4Qhc08382 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 00:26:43 -0400 Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 00:26:42 -0400 Message-Id: <200207140426.g6E4Qgd08378@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Polla Slade" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Portal Axles, was Re: Land Rover for sale Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Granville, I went to an RCAA event (rock crawlers) and saw a buggy that just got finished on Monday. The event was in Cedar City, Utah (just down the street right???), and was pretty cool. Anyway, this guy has two front Unimog axles on his custom buggy with a Vortec v-6 in it. The rear steer is pretty trick. Talked to him for about 30 minutes about his rig, learned a lot. Here's a link with pics from the event I went to, and down near the bottom of the page are some pics of how he set them up. Custom drivelines and he had some trick billet aluminum adapters to the standard drivelines. Here's the link: http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=67237 Enjoy the pics! Michael _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From bens Sun Jul 14 01:23:44 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6E5Ni908704 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 01:23:44 -0400 Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 01:23:44 -0400 Message-Id: <200207140523.g6E5NiF08700@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Jason Osborne" To: Subject: How far . . .(was RE:Portal Axles) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org . . . is too far? I'm sure this has been asked a million times before on this list but, as I'm new to it and am destined to ask all the same tedious questions I'll go ahead. How far is too far when modifying a Rover? Are there LR cultural taboos associated with certain models? What's "acceptable," tyres, electrics, safety, etc. ? Or, is there a limit there as well? I'm looking down the barrel of this question personally with Gunga Din. He would make a super truck with a monster power plant, super beefy tranny/t-case, and certainly the portal axles off of a 303. ;) My personal vision is an unstoppable expedition vehicle. History proves that Rovers, as designed, fit that schema pretty well and I might be fixing something that's not broken. I'm not particularly interested in answers that involve phrases like "philosophical choice," or "it's a personal thing." I want pure non-rational opinions on this one. If you're concerned that you will offend anyone on list, please respond personally. I'd really appreciate it. J2. lonestarj@earthlink.net From bens Sun Jul 14 02:12:28 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6E6CSG08947 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 02:12:28 -0400 Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 02:12:27 -0400 Message-Id: <200207140612.g6E6CRe08943@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Russ Wilson To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: How far . . .(was RE:Portal Axles) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > > >How far is too far when modifying a Rover? Too far is never quite far enough... >I'm looking down the barrel of this question personally with Gunga Din. He >would make a super truck with a monster power plant, super beefy >tranny/t-case, and certainly the portal axles off of a 303. ;) My personal >vision is an unstoppable expedition vehicle. Expedition vehicle is different from mud blaster or rock crawler. This is the answer you seek young Jedi. If it aint broke, Don't fix it. The major rover weaknesses are engine(if you have great distances to cover at highway speed) and the rear axle. The axle problem can be fixed with a later rover part(Salisbury axle) The engine bit is a whole topic unto itself. Gas or Diesel, Rover or American iron? > History proves that Rovers, as >designed, fit that schema pretty well and I might be fixing something that's >not broken. You are wise young Jedi ... >I'm not particularly interested in answers that involve phrases like >"philosophical choice," or "it's a personal thing." I want pure >non-rational opinions on this one. How about semi-sarcastic answers with a weird Star Wars twist? >If you're concerned that you will offend anyone on list, please respond >personally. I'd really appreciate it. Offend? ha ha ha. Cheers RW -- "Your friend is the one you call to bail you out of jail. Your best friend is the one sitting next to you saying,'Dude, that was awesome!" From bens Sun Jul 14 02:28:54 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6E6Ss709009 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 02:28:54 -0400 Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 02:28:54 -0400 Message-Id: <200207140628.g6E6SsC09005@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: " mendo rec list" Subject: Re: How far . . .(was RE:Portal Axles) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >How far is too far when modifying a Rover? >Are there LR cultural taboos associated with certain models? There seem to be a few taboos and I have transgressed a couple trying to have a vehicle that meets my needs and desires. If you are just looking for rules, you can not go wrong with pure stock. Land Rover parts from different years of Land Rovers seem not to seriously offend anyone. Non Land Rover springs seem to be OK. Except for a few add on "off road" accessories, the farther you modify from there the greater the chances of offending some people's sense of what is right. I've noticed a tendency for non series owners or owners who drive series rigs something like 5000 miles/year or less to be the most easily offended. Generally, most body and interior modifications will offend someone. Things that change the vehicles look, like body modifications offend a fair share of people. Asking about taboos and not wanting replies stated in philosophical choice has got to be near impossible. Recognizing the existence of a taboo, deciding to follow or ignore it and by what degree are all philosophical choices. Personally, I would like to see nice condition COMPLETE stock Land Rovers to stay that way. And I believe it would be a crime to modify a rare version or a factory prototype. Those are pieces of history held in trust. There is a certain Land Rover charisma that comes with the collection of Series Land Rover parts. I think you need to find out what that charisma is to you and try to maintain it and follow your needs. Stay true to your sense of the Land Rover charisma. My 109 was a worn out basket case with a worn out, broken drive train and a lot of parts missing when I paid for her and towed her home. It was during a time when Rover had recently broken away from British Leyland and new parts were temporarily almost dried up. My Land Rover went together with any year Land Rover part that would fit & work. For my first 21 years of ownership I was very careful to keep the vehicle entirely Land Rover, with the exception of a couple extra Smiths gauges. No one seemed to mind that I had a series II, with a IIA gearbox, series III engine and late series IIA steering box. So I evidently did not transgress any big taboos modifying a poor condition common series rig using Land Rover parts. In 1999 the non stock series III engine, non stock series IIA gearbox and non stock late IIA steering box were replaced by non Land Rover items, and several people made it clear that they felt I had transgressed their sense of what is taboo. I tried to make the modifications appear as stock as possible and except for those three assemblies have worked hard to keep the rest of the vehicle pure Land Rover, even to the leaf springs. So I would say adding non Land Rover drive train components is a big taboo in some people's eyes. But I figure if the Factory could swap in a GM V8, I could swap in a Ford V8 and make the 109 handle more like a North American spec 110. I think the bottom line is that any changes from factory stock will offend someone, and the key is identifying what the Land Rover charisma is to you and staying true to it. TeriAnn Wakeman If you send me direct mail, please Santa Cruz, California start the subject line with TW - twakeman@cruzers.com I will be sure to read the message http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 From bens Sun Jul 14 03:18:18 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6E7II709220 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 03:18:18 -0400 Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 03:18:18 -0400 Message-Id: <200207140718.g6E7IIC09216@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "charles chuan-chen phu" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: mileage of black desert trip Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi, Jason, I am wondering what would be your estimate maximum mileage between any two dependable gas stations in our desert trip? 'Cause I am thinking I probably will need to either get or borrow jerry cans for fuel. Also, you mentioned the nights were comfortable. do you have any idea what the temperature range at night would be? Thanks. Charles Phu 99 DII _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From bens Sun Jul 14 03:49:40 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6E7neE09341 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 03:49:40 -0400 Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 03:49:40 -0400 Message-Id: <200207140749.g6E7neG09337@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: mileage of black desert trip Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org All excellent questions, answers which I've been formulating for one final, big posting regarding the trip. I'll take care of your two questions here though as well: Mileage/gas: There is gas in Reno, Gerlach and Cedarville, all of which are 100 miles from one another on mainly dirt roads. As long as we gas up in Reno and again in Gerlach, all should be fine, but it is best to bring one, if not two, spare cans of gas along, secured safely in or on your truck. We'll be bringing two. Depending on the routes we end up taking, trail conditions, speed, and your type of truck and driving style, gas may or may not be an issue. Better to be safe than sorry. A spare is a good thing to have in the desert. Weather: Not sure about temps at night right now, they were very comfortable for us when we were on the recce. I will direct everyone to the best online source of weather data I have for the region, the NOAA (National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration) weather data website: http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/cgi-bin/wrhq/TotalForecast.csh?TotalForecast+WR+NV+005+031 jpipes > >Hi, Jason, > >I am wondering what would be your estimate maximum mileage between any two >dependable gas stations in our desert trip? 'Cause I am thinking I probably >will need to either get or borrow jerry cans for fuel. > >Also, you mentioned the nights were comfortable. do you have any idea what >the temperature range at night would be? Thanks. [ 11 additional quoted lines pruned. ] -- Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 From bens Sun Jul 14 05:44:41 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6E9ifv09952 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 05:44:41 -0400 Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 05:44:40 -0400 Message-Id: <200207140944.g6E9ie709948@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Peter Hope" To: Subject: Re: Portal Axles, was Re: Land Rover for sale Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > Yes, it's true, I've long lusted for portal axles on a Land-Rover and have > never understood why the LR 101FC didn't get them. It's interesting that > the owner says the conversion is easy with leaf-sprung LRs but doesn't seem > to work well with coilers. Unimogs have portal axles and coils. There was > an aftermarket portal axle conversion for Defenders for a while but I guess Anything is possible. I have seen portal d-60 axel assemblies. Think they were made by Dynatrac. They will put the centers where ever you want and make em to any width ya want. Just means going to a Jeep bolt pattern. Pete From bens Sun Jul 14 11:48:03 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6EFm3F11293 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 11:48:03 -0400 Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 11:48:03 -0400 Message-Id: <200207141548.g6EFm3k11289@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Polla Slade" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: How far . . .(was RE:Portal Axles) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Someone originally wrote... > >How far is too far when modifying a Rover? Who cares? Do what you NEED to do. Nothing more, nothing less. (ok, maybe a little more.) If I've offended anyone by doing the following, well, no apologies. :) http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=655756#post655756 Michael PS Along the lines of the Star Wars idea...(kind of tongue-in-cheek regarding my truck)... "Do, or do not. There is no try." -Yoda -OR- "I've got a baaaad feeling about this" -Han Solo -OR- "Look at the size of that thing!" -Luke -OR- "For a mechanic, you do an awful lot of thinking." - C-3PO _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From bens Sun Jul 14 12:49:42 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6EGngN11574 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 12:49:42 -0400 Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 12:49:41 -0400 Message-Id: <200207141649.g6EGnfu11570@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "charles chuan-chen phu" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Gas jerry can (wes Re: mileage of black desert trip) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Thanks for the information. Another question. I am planning to strap jerry cans inside my truck. But my impression is that is illegal. Is it true? I don't have a roof rack to mount jerry cans on. cp >From: Jason Pipes >Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Subject: Re: mileage of black desert trip >Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 03:49:40 -0400 > >All excellent questions, answers which I've been formulating for one final, >big posting regarding the trip. I'll take care of your two questions here >though as well: [ 44 additional quoted lines pruned. ] _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From bens Sun Jul 14 13:46:10 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6EHkAs11817 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 13:46:10 -0400 Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 13:46:09 -0400 Message-Id: <200207141746.g6EHk9t11813@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: " mendo rec list" Subject: Re: How far . . .(was RE:Portal Axles) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >If I've offended anyone by doing the following, well, no apologies. :) > >http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=655756#post655756 Michael Is that fuel tank of wours well baffled with little holes between baffles? It looks like you could find the carb running dry on a serious side slope and 20+ gallons of fuel remaining. How are you handling the fuel pickup? Will you just rely upon the force and purity of spirit? Or do you have a backup plan? I try to avoid serious side slopes myself but when I have no choice I just switch to my fullest fuel tank for the duration. TeriAnn Wakeman If you send me direct mail, please Santa Cruz, California start the subject line with TW - twakeman@cruzers.com I will be sure to read the message http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 From bens Sun Jul 14 14:21:29 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6EILTi12045 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 14:21:29 -0400 Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 14:21:29 -0400 Message-Id: <200207141821.g6EILTB12041@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Shane Ballensky To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Portal Axles, was Re: Land Rover for sale Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org At 08:22 PM 7/13/02, you wrote: >Shane, if you want something with portal axles, how about a nice old Unimog >radio-body rig? There is (or was) one for sale in Ukiah. I think the >asking price was about $5,500 or thereabouts. I don't really want the vehicle just the portal axles:) Shane From bens Sun Jul 14 15:08:54 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6EJ8sA12248 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 15:08:54 -0400 Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 15:08:54 -0400 Message-Id: <200207141908.g6EJ8sB12244@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Benjamin Smith To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Drum brakes Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In message <200207122210.g6CMAf830999@minbar.fourfold.org>you wrote: > PS - the G has this weird thing I haven't seen on any other vehicle. > Mounted to the chassis above the rear axle, is a little pressure limiting > valve. The rear hydraulic line goes through this valve before going out to > the wheel cylinders. There's a linkage going from the valve down to the > rear axle that adjusts the spring force holding a sort of pop-off valve > depending on how far the rear springs are compressed. The 101FC has the same thing. It's called a "rear apportioning valve" in the LR manual. Ben From bens Sun Jul 14 15:48:30 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6EJmUu12571 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 15:48:30 -0400 Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 15:48:29 -0400 Message-Id: <200207141948.g6EJmTY12565@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Michael's long long long rover, wasRe: How far . . .(was RE:Portal Axles) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- TeriAnn Wakeman wrote: > Is that fuel tank of wours well baffled with little holes > between > baffles? It looks like you could find the carb running > dry on a serious > side slope and 20+ gallons of fuel remaining. > > How are you handling the fuel pickup? Will you just rely > upon the force > and purity of spirit? Or do you have a backup plan? I'm assuming Timm designed it if not built it, and thus would have installed double pick-ips on either side of theytabk for this. one in the front-left the other in thr rear right area.... with a auto valve that would flip/flop to the side that was appropriate....this would solve any issues in most situations.....Michael? is is so? ;-) if not...why not? (than there is always the four-pick-up or the two with rolling ends...or.....) ;-0 but Timm knows all this... Man! it's cool to see the rig is finally getting so close. Looks great so far..... Paul __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com From bens Sun Jul 14 16:40:40 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6EKeeM12854 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 16:40:40 -0400 Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 16:40:39 -0400 Message-Id: <200207142040.g6EKedV12850@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Polla Slade" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Michael's long long long rover, wasRe: How far . . .(was RE:Portal Axles) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Baffles? Baffles? We don't need no stinkin' baffles! Actually there are no baffles in either that center tank or the rear tank. We haven't put any pickups in it at all yet, but your suggestions and ideas are certainly appreciated! I'll keep them in mind when the time comes to decide what to do. Timm didn't build either of the two tanks on the crewcab, but he did the design and measuring, and mounting of them. As for being close...well, it's debut is supposed to be the National Ralley in Moab this fall, so we'll see if we meet that deadline. We'd BETTER! I'm flying up Tuesday to see how the box turned out and prep. it to be shipped to Paso Robles. Seriously, thanks for the ideas though. I haven't been thinking of the fuel delivery situation yet, it hasn't been an issue up until now. Later, Michael _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From bens Sun Jul 14 16:58:53 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6EKwrp12919 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 16:58:53 -0400 Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 16:58:52 -0400 Message-Id: <200207142058.g6EKwqW12915@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Michael's long long long rover, wasRe: How far . . .(was RE:Portal Axles) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- Polla Slade wrote: > > Baffles? Baffles? We don't need no stinkin' baffles! > > Actually there are no baffles in either that center tank > or the rear tank. > > We haven't put any pickups in it at all yet, but your > suggestions and ideas > are certainly appreciated! I'll keep them in mind when [ 2 additional quoted lines pruned. ] have a look around at what is available. you will be pleasantly surprised. ;-) it may take a bit to find the right stuff, but it's there. > Timm didn't build either of the two tanks on the crewcab, > but he did the > design and measuring, and mounting of them. that was what I had figured. he designed, then you sent off to get built by a certified fuel tank builder? always a good idea for those impervious welds. > As for being close...well, it's debut is supposed to be > the National Ralley > in Moab this fall, so we'll see if we meet that deadline. > We'd BETTER! Hope so. I'd love to see some more photos when you get the box installed etc.. > I'm flying up Tuesday to see how the box turned out and > prep. it to be > shipped to Paso Robles. Paso Robles????? no comprende? Thought it was going straight from Portland to Utah? But where in Utah are you planning now? I heard you've changed plans since we last talked? > Seriously, thanks for the ideas though. I haven't been > thinking of the fuel > delivery situation yet, it hasn't been an issue up until > now. It could be if you don't do as I suggest! ;-) I am SO Jealous!!!!!!!!!!! Someday..... Paul __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com From bens Sun Jul 14 17:07:38 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6EL7c512975 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 17:07:38 -0400 Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 17:07:37 -0400 Message-Id: <200207142107.g6EL7bo12971@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Aidan McLeer" To: "mendo_recce" Subject: Pictures. Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; ] [ 26 lines filtered. ] charset="Windows-1252" http://cards.webshots.com/cp-29624889-PRmd-album/43617961wXWufp A few pics from yesterday in the Eldorado National forest by Kyburz off = HWY 50,=20 Later Aidan From bens Sun Jul 14 18:00:01 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6EM01a13590 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 18:00:01 -0400 Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 18:00:01 -0400 Message-Id: <200207142200.g6EM01d13586@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: Mendo Subject: 127/130 expedition rig sighted in Visalia!!! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Sightitn in Visalia by Charles Irvin: White expedition D-130 fully equipped driven by younginsh couple. Map of world hand-painted on sides.. TDI Snorkle wolf wheels full stationwagon body with dormie top "new" french plates etc.. they exchanged waves, and as I was talking to Charles, they were trying to find it again to stop and chat, but it allears it was heading for the highway going north, so maybe seen in bay area or Sac area by tonight? keep your eyes pealed paul __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com From bens Sun Jul 14 18:07:19 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6EM7Jr13645 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 18:07:19 -0400 Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 18:07:19 -0400 Message-Id: <200207142207.g6EM7J813641@minbar.fourfold.org> From: john hess To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: now what? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi all, Saturday and Sunday have not been fun. The installation of the rear parabolics was too easy, the fronts are hell. Bolts were frozen to the inside metal collar of the spring and frame bushes, making removal damn near impossible. I turn the bolts, but the metal collar adds 100 ft lbs of resistance and prevents the bolt from exiting the shackle. I cut bolts and then worked on the shackles in a vise with a big breaker bar. I now have one side disassembled, but it I have questions. I bought Old Man Emu polyurethane bushings. 1 bag for front, 1 bag for rear. The rears seemed fine, so I didn't change them. Left side, the front frame bushing disintegrated and I pushed it out relatively easily. But, the metal collar around the bush is firmly integrated with the frame. Even if I saw through it (as I have heard folks say they did) I don't think that'll help. I'm wondering what I'll need to do to remove it. But once it's removed, I am wondering about the OME bushes. I have 6 bushes, 4 short and 3 long. I have 3 pieces of metal tubing, 1 long and 2 short. I think this bag of front stuff does 1 axle? not both front? The springs have bushes in the ends, so I need the frame bush. Oh and to really make the whole weekend great :^( I put a very small hole in the bottom of the radiator when a wrench slipped. So when the springs are done, I have to pull the radiator. John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Land Rover Dormobile web pages: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby" 1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" 1999 Bianchi Milano, 2001 Bianchi Pista 2002 Meridian Attache Softride Tandem From bens Sun Jul 14 18:17:59 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6EMHxH13742 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 18:17:59 -0400 Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 18:17:59 -0400 Message-Id: <200207142217.g6EMHxt13738@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: now what? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org John, Sorry to hear the tale of woe! ;-( Not sure from the description, but is sounds like you may have only a partial set of the bush's ?? maybe only had one side put in the box but not the other? not sure as I just did the replacement with stock rover parts as my old rubber ones had lasted for 35 years.... for the removal of the collar, after "carefully" sawing through the metal collar, in two or more places making sure you do NOT cut into the frame as I did! ;-( carefull with that sawzall!!! you still need to use a hammer and chisel as it'll be rust welded in place, a air hammer with a chisel tip works much better than manual work if posible... for the radiator, is this the origional or did you already replace with a series III new one from BP as I did? Hopefully it can be braized back? how big a hole?? good luck! Paul --- john hess wrote: > > Hi all, > > Saturday and Sunday have not been fun. The installation > of the rear > parabolics was too easy, the fronts are hell. Bolts were > frozen to > the inside metal collar of the spring and frame bushes, > making [ 48 additional quoted lines pruned. ] __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com From bens Sun Jul 14 23:29:17 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6F3THC15553 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 23:29:17 -0400 Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 23:29:17 -0400 Message-Id: <200207150329.g6F3TH815549@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Polla Slade" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: My continuing saga...(was my Longlonglonglong Rover....) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Paul wrote... > > Timm didn't build either of the two tanks on the crewcab, > > but he did the > > design and measuring, and mounting of them. >that was what I had figured. he designed, then you sent off >to get built by a certified fuel tank builder? always a >good idea for those impervious welds. Actually finding a good certified tank builder is pretty difficult. Seems people are shying away from items that have a lot of built in liability. Fuel tanks are one of them. Fortunately I have a fab shop that has done stuff in the past, and I told them I needed two 'water' tanks. They asked me what I was going to do to keep them from rusting. I said we were going to Rhinoline the inside of them. With a wink, I think they knew what I was up to. The rear tank has 3/8ths plate on the bottom for rock protection. The center tank is actually shaped like a 'T' with the center section dropping down 5 inches into the section between the frame rails. So, if I put the pick-up in the exact center of the tank, the odds are that it'll have some fuel in there about 99% of the time. Course, that depends on if I remember to get gas when it gets low. (I have a bad track record) > > > > As for being close...well, it's debut is supposed to be > > the National Ralley > > in Moab this fall, so we'll see if we meet that deadline. > > We'd BETTER! >Hope so. I'd love to see some more photos when you get the >box installed etc.. Oh you'll definitely see photos of it when it's done. > > > > I'm flying up Tuesday to see how the box turned out and > > prep. it to be > > shipped to Paso Robles. >Paso Robles????? no comprende? Thought it was going >straight from Portland to Utah? But where in Utah are you >planning now? I heard you've changed plans since we last >talked? Yeah, my wife interviewed for 6 different positions in St. George but 3 of them were filled from within the district and 3 were eliminated. Bummer, because that's where I really wanted to relocate. Now we're thinking Las Vegas. Not my first choice, but a good second I think. I'll keep everyone informed. For now we're in SLC, UT until we hear about Polla's employment. As for Paso Robles.... Cooper has set up a new shop in Paso Robles. www.bcboffroad.com is his new site, but there's not much there other than a phone and fax #. We're going to finish it there this fall. > > Seriously, thanks for the ideas though. I haven't been > > thinking of the fuel > > delivery situation yet, it hasn't been an issue up until > > now. >It could be if you don't do as I suggest! ;-) > >I am SO Jealous!!!!!!!!!!! Don't be jealous. Remember what they say about the grass??? Later, Michael _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From bens Mon Jul 15 00:07:42 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6F47gt15924 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 00:07:42 -0400 Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 00:07:42 -0400 Message-Id: <200207150407.g6F47g315920@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Peter Ogilvie To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: now what? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Sawing through the frame bush makes it relatively easy to drive out with a hammer and chisel. Trick is to be sure that you saw it all the way through as it sticks tenaciously until completely severed. Heard that you can drive it out with an air chisel without cutting the sleeve. Haven't tried it, however. >From memory, the frame bushes are wider than the spring bushes, if that helps in figuring what goes where. Does sound like you've only got bushes for one spring, not two. Aloha Peter O. --- john hess wrote: > Saturday and Sunday have not been fun. The > installation of the rear > parabolics was too easy, the fronts are hell. Bolts > were frozen to > the inside metal collar of the spring and frame > bushes, making > removal damn near impossible. I turn the bolts, but > the metal collar > adds 100 ft lbs of resistance and prevents the bolt [ 30 additional quoted lines pruned. ] __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com From bens Mon Jul 15 00:24:58 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6F4Ow416977 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 00:24:58 -0400 Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 00:24:57 -0400 Message-Id: <200207150424.g6F4Ovd16973@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kevin Kelly" To: "Mendo List" Subject: Re: How far is too far when modifying a Rover? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Someone wrote; >How far is too far when modifying a Rover? Then Michael wrote (an attached the link below): >If I've offended anyone by doing the following, >well, no apologies. :) http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=655756#post655756 I've enjoyed seeing the photos of Michael's Rover modifications over the years. Is there any site with a complete photo history of the transformation of the Serious One from a used truck in Granny's yard to the coolest SI in the world. Keep sending links with photos of the crew cabs progress to the list. Kevin From bens Mon Jul 15 00:58:00 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6F4w0v17258 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 00:58:00 -0400 Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 00:57:59 -0400 Message-Id: <200207150457.g6F4vxQ17254@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Granville Pool" To: Subject: Re: How far . . .(was RE:Portal Axles) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Jason, Subject: How far . . .(was RE:Portal Axles) > . . . is too far? I think it's strictly up to you. In my view, one of the attractions of the Land-Rover is how easily it can be customized and personalized. I agree with TeriAnn's cautions about special, rare, intact examples, of course. Barring that, hell, they're just great big tool boxes so fit them with the tools that suit you. My only other caution is to bear in mind that you can sink a lot of money into your Land-Rover if you get far into modifications. You can also introduce a lot of problems that can either cause you to get discouraged or to spend a lot of money and/or time to sort out. If you tire of the project, you may have to sell it at a considerable loss. I know (and finally admit) that I don't have the time/facilities/energy/ambition or whatever to do what, for example, Mike Slade did with Serious One. I surely do admire it, however. And then, there's the Foers Ibex, where the modifications spawn a whole new (superior) vehicle. If you do think you want to go down the road of really serious modifications, I advise you to have long talks with those who've done it, to get some picture of time, cost, problems, etc., before you leap in with both feet. Cheers, Granny From bens Mon Jul 15 01:49:28 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6F5nSZ17476 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 01:49:28 -0400 Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 01:49:28 -0400 Message-Id: <200207150549.g6F5nSF17472@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "mpatrykus" To: Subject: How far is too far when modifying a Rover? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I sometimes wonder why people take a vintage Series truck and do lots of drivetrain and body mods. One of the great things to me about a vintage Rover is that it's a sort of time capsule. I like mechanical things in general and it's a real joy to see a 30, 40 or 50 year old vehicle that is true to its original design and runs as the manufacturer designed. When you start to play with one component, it often results in a snowball effect that requires mods to other components. Pretty soon it's debatable whether you are driving a Land Rover at all. Which makes me wonder why that person is driving a Land Rover and not a Jeep or Ford or Chevy. Old Land Rovers are rare in the states and to me that makes it all the more significant when they are kept as original as possible. It bothers me just as much to see an E-type Jaguar with a small block Chevy, or a Model A pickup with an automatic transmission, electric windows and air conditioning. So I guess my answer to your question is that when inner workings of the finished product becomes more Un-Rover than Rover, you have hit the point of going too far. There's another aspect that interests me, too. Off road, our quirky, demanding, low-tech, obsolete Series Land Rovers in stock form can hold their own with all the heavily modified Jeeps, Scouts, or whatever you can come up with. And THAT is COOL. But hey, it's a free country. Mo ------------------------------------------- Introducing NetZero Long Distance Unlimited Long Distance only $29.95/ month! Sign Up Today! www.netzerolongdistance.com From bens Mon Jul 15 02:33:20 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6F6XKu17662 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 02:33:20 -0400 Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 02:33:19 -0400 Message-Id: <200207150633.g6F6XJV17658@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: How far is too far when modifying a Rover? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- mpatrykus wrote: > > I sometimes wonder why people take a vintage Series truck > and do lots of > drivetrain and body mods. > > One of the great things to me about a vintage Rover is > that it's a sort of > time capsule. I like mechanical things in general and > it's a real joy to see [ 6 additional quoted lines pruned. ] Mo, I undrstand you completely, and if I could have afforded to keep The African alongside Elgie like I had planned from the start, I would have one of each! ;-) I have always loved the simplicity of a dead stock rover, but in modern times, I have to admit I do enjoy the little bit more power that having a 140 horse engine gives me. It has saved my ass a few times in the last couple years, so I don't regret it at all. Someday I will again have a dead stock rover again(maybe a 80" just for fun) but for now as I bought Elgie already butchered up with a mangled frame, body damage and the mercruiser powerplant, as far as I am concerned, all is game now for this one! ;-) Paul '44 Ford GPW (dead stock with Ford-script everything..actually dad's) '66 88" Pick-up "Elgie" (no-comment...) ;-) '95 disco "The Light brigade" (no...it's not been modified much...has it?) ;-) previously owned ones (all pretty stock, and I miss all of them so...) '58 series II twl litre 88" "Surely" was dead stock until I built up my first mercruiser 140/'78 pontiac hybrid lump, but never got to run it... '87 rangie "Squeak" '65 109 dormobile "Bear-Trap" '59/'60 88" stationwagon "The African" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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Sign Up Today! www.netzerolongdistance.com From bens Mon Jul 15 04:11:27 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6F8BR918125 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 04:11:27 -0400 Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 04:11:27 -0400 Message-Id: <200207150811.g6F8BRY18121@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Tom Walsh" To: Subject: Re: How far is too far when modifying a Rover? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Gimme a break! :) Most modified series consist of HD axles, maybe lockers , trimmed tubs and a few other goodies ( maybe an engine/tranny swap )... but for the most part are still fairly true to the heritage.... If ya want to save a series from modification maybe you should buy more of em to save em :) Consider what/where these modifies series would be if not taken care of/rescued by their modifiers! Ugh Purists, extremist, zelots..... ( By Cracky, its a glorified farm tractor ! ) Land Rovers were meant to be tailored by design! TomW, its your truck, you bought, do what you want! ( unless its real rare or something ) ----- Original Message ----- From: "mpatrykus" To: Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2002 10:49 PM Subject: How far is too far when modifying a Rover? > > I sometimes wonder why people take a vintage Series truck and do lots of > drivetrain and body mods. > Pretty soon it's debatable whether you are driving a Land Rover at all. > Which > makes me wonder why that person is driving a Land Rover and not a Jeep or > Ford > From bens Mon Jul 15 06:39:39 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6FAddw18656 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 06:39:39 -0400 Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 06:39:38 -0400 Message-Id: <200207151039.g6FAdcl18652@minbar.fourfold.org> From: John Young To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Gas jerry can (wes Re: mileage of black desert trip) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org CP asked: > Another question. I am planning to strap jerry cans inside my truck. But my > impression is that is illegal. Is it true? I don't have a roof rack to mount > jerry cans on. I doubt it's illegal. Good cans, like NATO cans in good condition, are fine for carrying inside the truck. One could argue that it's safer than on a roof rack due to a more favorable center of gravity. I always keep mine inside my DII, preferrably in the rear seat footwell (lowest and closest to center point) along with other heavy objects (like 6 gallon water cans). Set the cans on the ground when you fill them, though. Some people get nervous about opening fuel cans in a dry climate with static charge build-up. Regarding your early questions about night temperatures in NW Nevada, it gets cold. It could be okay, but it can get cold - like in the upper 30's (F). It's high desert, afterall. Three years ago my girlfriend and I camped inside my DII around the Gerlach area, and some nights we got pretty cold. It was end of August / beginning of September, and we were sleeping inside the back of the DII (I left the rear seats at home). Doesn't hurt to take a set of winter clothes and a warm bag, just in case. -JY From bens Mon Jul 15 10:04:29 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6FE4Ta19660 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 10:04:29 -0400 Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 10:04:29 -0400 Message-Id: <200207151404.g6FE4Ta19656@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Range Rover Headroom Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "...my 5'11" Dad (with shorter legs and a longer body) drives it his hair touches the headliner..." That's me too! I don't think I'm your dad, but I AM only about 5'10, and my hair also rubs the head liner. Really annoying. If anyone has successfully lowered the seats in the RR classic, I'd like to know how. Thanks! -Dave G. From bens Mon Jul 15 10:13:47 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6FEDl519744 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 10:13:47 -0400 Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 10:13:46 -0400 Message-Id: <200207151413.g6FEDkF19740@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Gas jerry can (wes Re: mileage of black desert trip) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "....a set of winter clothes and a warm bag..." Now John, that's no way to talk about your girlfriend! :^) -Dave G. From bens Mon Jul 15 10:46:18 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6FEkIk20144 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 10:46:18 -0400 Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 10:46:17 -0400 Message-Id: <200207151446.g6FEkHV20140@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: now what? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org One more bit to add. Sawing through the sleeve will definitely work. I only sawed mine in one place and had to peel it inward with a chisel. The thing I failed to account for was that the rust had been working at the chassis sleeve as well, and it was very thin. My chisel punched through it in one place at the bottom near the center. In hindsight, I'd be more careful, maybe saw in a second place, and maybe saw/chisel at the top of the sleeve, instead of the easier bottom area. Theory being that rust should be a little less vigorous at the top. And yes, it sounds like you're missing some parts in the bushing kit. You should have 2 long sleeves, six short sleeves, and it sounds like the same number of bushings (to do one axle). The bushings I got from Bill Davis were in halves (to facilitate a small grease reservoir between them), but it sounds like you should have a single bushing for each bolt/sleeve in the OME kit. -Dave G. From bens Mon Jul 15 11:18:27 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6FFIR020738 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 11:18:27 -0400 Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 11:18:26 -0400 Message-Id: <200207151518.g6FFIQe20734@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Bruce R. Bonar" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: mileage of black desert trip Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I wouldn't head into NW Nevada in a D90 without at least 2 full Nato cans plus a full tank. I generally travel in this area with FOUR. Much better to have too much than to run out. Spot gets about 10 mph off road. I've coasted into Winnamucca on fumes after using all four cans after several detours due to road closures (flooding and snow). Since Jason has scouted this route that won't be a problem but you never know. I generally carry two cans inside with no problems, Nato, not Jerry cans. No less than 12 gallons of water for two for the weekend. Bruce charles chuan-chen phu wrote: > Hi, Jason, > > I am wondering what would be your estimate maximum mileage between any two > dependable gas stations in our desert trip? 'Cause I am thinking I probably > will need to either get or borrow jerry cans for fuel. > > Also, you mentioned the nights were comfortable. do you have any idea what > the temperature range at night would be? Thanks. > [ 6 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Mon Jul 15 12:02:46 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6FG2kD21188 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 12:02:46 -0400 Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 12:02:45 -0400 Message-Id: <200207151602.g6FG2j521184@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: " mendo rec list" Subject: Re: My continuing saga...(was my Longlonglonglong Rover....) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >The center tank is actually shaped like a 'T' with the center section >dropping down 5 inches into the section between the frame rails. So, if I >put the pick-up in the exact center of the tank, the odds are that it'll >have some fuel in there about 99% of the time. Ah! That makes sense. Couldn't see that from the picture. If it is not bolted in place it might be fun to hook an electric fuel pump up to the draw tube, put enough fuel in the tank to fill the centre low area and see how far you can tilt it to the side and still draw fuel. Or tilt it at 40 degrees (or your expected max side angle) and see how long the pump will draw fuel. It would give you an idea of how long you could drive on a side grade. Glad to see you are placing your weight as low as possible and inside the outer frame rail. How much fuel will you be able to carry? Any built in water tank(s) for thirsty tourists? > Course, that depends on if I >remember to get gas when it gets low. (I have a bad track record) If you adapt the Lucas universal sender unit it comes with a low level switch. I've been thinking of adding a box at the top of my windscreen with one led for each tank and running wires to each low level lamp. It is one of those very low priority projects that would suddenly jump to high priority if I ever run out of fuen in the bush thinking there was some in another tank. >Don't be jealous. Remember what they say about the grass??? Um, Once the shit has been dealt with the grass that has been shat upon is always greener than the grass that has never been shat upon? Keep the progress reports coming. TeriAnn Wakeman If you send me direct mail, please Santa Cruz, California start the subject line with TW - twakeman@cruzers.com I will be sure to read the message http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 From bens Mon Jul 15 12:05:27 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6FG5Rj21227 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 12:05:27 -0400 Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 12:05:27 -0400 Message-Id: <200207151605.g6FG5Rd21223@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Jim Holmes" To: Subject: RE: 127/130 expedition rig sighted in Visalia!!! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Great looking vehicle! I saw this truck in Blanding, Utah on July 5. Sounds like they're movin' west. Regards, Jim Tucson > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org > [mailto:owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org]On Behalf Of Paul Archibald > Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2002 3:00 PM > To: Mendo > Subject: 127/130 expedition rig sighted in Visalia!!! > > > [ 24 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Mon Jul 15 12:52:30 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6FGqU621741 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 12:52:30 -0400 Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 12:52:29 -0400 Message-Id: <200207151652.g6FGqTJ21737@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: " mendo rec list" Subject: Re: How far is too far when modifying a Rover? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Consider >what/where these modifies series would be if not taken care of/rescued by >their modifiers! I've seen several series I go to the scrap heap that were in similar or even better condition than the Serious one before Michael and Timm brought new life to it. The Green Rover had one tyre in the scrap heap and most likely had been there within a year had I not rescued her. There are Land Rover collectors all over Noth America with numerous dead rotting series rigs they do not have the time or money to do anything with. If anything happens to the enthusiast or if the enthusiasm runs out and there is not another collector waiting to tow/trailer them off, they will be gone to the scrap heap. Most all the highly modified rigs I have ever seen (Tom's being an exception) had one tyre in the scrap heap and were rescued from being crushed. Besides if you run out we can always get more cheaply from Commonwelth countries. >Land Rovers were meant to be tailored by design! >> makes me wonder why that person is driving a Land Rover and not a Jeep or >> Ford Driving a series Land Rover that is all Land Rover except for the engine & gear box is a very different experience than driving a Jeep or a Ford. On the other hand try driving an early Bronco. They are very much like 88's in many ways. Though I have sometimes wondered about those people who put a Range Rover suspension under a series body. TeriAnn Wakeman If you send me direct mail, please Santa Cruz, California start the subject line with TW - twakeman@cruzers.com I will be sure to read the message http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 From bens Mon Jul 15 13:14:13 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6FHEDH21972 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 13:14:13 -0400 Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 13:14:13 -0400 Message-Id: <200207151714.g6FHED921968@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Brian Horner To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Range Rover Headroom Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Let some air out of the tires. ;o) (insert drum roll) Brian On Monday, July 15, 2002, at 07:04 AM, Gomes, David wrote: > > "...my 5'11" Dad (with shorter legs and a longer body) drives it his > hair > touches the headliner..." > > That's me too! I don't think I'm your dad, but I AM only about 5'10, > and my > hair also rubs the head liner. Really annoying. If anyone has > successfully [ 6 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ---------------------------------------------------------- http://www.roverme.org Land Rover Community, Links and Email Services From bens Mon Jul 15 13:15:19 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6FHFJe22000 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 13:15:19 -0400 Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 13:15:18 -0400 Message-Id: <200207151715.g6FHFIU21993@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: How far is too far when modifying a Rover? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi, Speaking of Early Broncos: They can be modified to go anywhere! But in original condition, they are some weak drivetrain components, except for the last few years. Early Bronco's were built with very cheap components but improved over several years. The original manual steering box would be fine for a VW beetle but ridiculously weak for the Bronco. It's a weird internal design and you cannot get the play out. 10 thousands of wear in the internal gear translates to about 1/4 turn of the steering wheel. A lot of them have a power steering added from other trucks, sometimes very butchered frame to accomplish the mod. I recently bought a complete factory version power steering change over for daughter Laura's 72 Bronco, (which already has a 302 rebuilt by yours truly) Bob B At 09:52 AM 7/15/2002, TeriAnn wrote: >Driving a series Land Rover that is all Land Rover except for the engine >& gear box is a very different experience than driving a Jeep or a Ford. >On the other hand try driving an early Bronco. They are very much like >88's in many ways. Though I have sometimes wondered about those people >who put a Range Rover suspension under a series body. From bens Mon Jul 15 13:19:17 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6FHJHl22042 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 13:19:17 -0400 Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 13:19:17 -0400 Message-Id: <200207151719.g6FHJHw22038@minbar.fourfold.org> From: nicholas harteau To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Range Rover Headroom Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I was going to suggest a haircut ;) Brian Horner wrote: > > Let some air out of the tires. ;o) > > (insert drum roll) > > Brian > > > On Monday, July 15, 2002, at 07:04 AM, Gomes, David wrote: [ 14 additional quoted lines pruned. ] -- nicholas harteau nrh@ikami.com From bens Mon Jul 15 13:25:11 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6FHPB322099 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 13:25:11 -0400 Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 13:25:11 -0400 Message-Id: <200207151725.g6FHPBh22095@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: Range Rover Headroom Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- "Gomes, David" wrote: > > "...my 5'11" Dad (with shorter legs and a longer body) > drives it his hair > touches the headliner..." > > That's me too! I don't think I'm your dad, but I AM only > about 5'10, and my > hair also rubs the head liner. Really annoying. If > anyone has successfully [ 2 additional quoted lines pruned. ] Simple! take the seats out and install different seats! ;-) The Sparco in THe Light Brigade is the same as stock height because Tom wanted it that way(me too) ....but when installing sport seats, you can sometimes adjust the seat height permanently... I would guess that if you bought a Hunter model with the manual seats, it may not have the same issues?? not sure, but without too much wotrk they could be re-worked to be two inches lower, I bet. Paul __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com From bens Mon Jul 15 13:26:41 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6FHQft22120 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 13:26:41 -0400 Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 13:26:41 -0400 Message-Id: <200207151726.g6FHQfO22116@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Stirling Anderson To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: How far is too far when modifying a Rover? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- Paul Archibald wrote: if I could have > afforded to > keep The African alongside Elgie like I had planned > from > the start, I would have one of each! We'll park next to you at all the meetings. ;) I agree with you completly on the modification front. If it's already a long ways from stock when you get it, then everything's fair game. With The African, it's double though, I don't want to make it look new. I like the way it looks as if it just shot out of some African underbrush onto a ship. Paint is the furthest thing I have planned for it. It's kinda funny how the "East African Predatory Wildlife Survey Kenya-Uganda Districts" lettering on the door makes it so hard to depart from stock, that and the fact it's already so close to it. To be honest though, it's a bit of a burden, I'd like real comfy seats, and a CD player but they just wouldn't seem right. I guess that's what Range Rovers are for. ;) Is there an award at the Palo Alto meet for "Most Character"?? When it gets bad enough I suppose I'll restore it some. Keep the stock running gear, and nothing too cushy inside. On a side note, I'm planning on going to the DMV this weekend to get it back on the road, just need a new flasher and some solder and it should be all in order. Would you believe I went to Kragen and was told they stopped carrying solder?! Must be the lead... Also, I don't have a garage, so I'm going to be carrying all my tools, spares, and everything else in the back, anyone know of a decent tool box that fits in between the wheel wells up next to the front seat box?? I've been thinking about making one... Take care, Stirling __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com From bens Mon Jul 15 13:34:59 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6FHYxm22153 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 13:34:59 -0400 Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 13:34:59 -0400 Message-Id: <200207151734.g6FHYxA22149@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Range Rover Headroom Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "....Let some air out of the tires. ;o)..." Guilty as charged, in the figurative sense, even if that's not the joke intended... :^))) But if I loose weight, I won't crush the cushion down as much either....Hmmmm It's primarily Cheryl's truck, and she's built opposite me, long legs, short torso. So it works out great for her. I only have to drive the truck often enough to spot things that need fixing. -Dave G. From bens Mon Jul 15 13:45:31 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6FHjVf22232 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 13:45:31 -0400 Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 13:45:30 -0400 Message-Id: <200207151745.g6FHjU522228@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Spencer Knight" To: Subject: Engine removal Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi All, The engine was removed yesterday, thanks to some help from Jason Pipes and his 12,000lb strap! We've decided it would be fun to imagine that I have the engine from his disco, regardless of the veracity of that! The 4.0 engine came out of the truck with the transmission attached, per the instructions in the manual. It was extemely heavy, so much so that we almost couldn't get it out entirely, as with only one lift, which was holding up the engine, we were hard pressed to get the transmission to come up. I have a few questions: 1. Could I removed the transmission, re-install the new engine, and then install the transmission separately later? 2. After installing the engine, but before installing the tranny, can I attempt to start the engine to see if it works? Thanks for all the help. Spencer 96 4.0RR 97 4.0 Disco Engine. Bag of parts (are those important?) From bens Mon Jul 15 13:46:46 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6FHkkR22247 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 13:46:46 -0400 Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 13:46:46 -0400 Message-Id: <200207151746.g6FHkkq22243@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Polla Slade" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: My continuing saga...(was my Longlonglonglong Rover....) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org TeriAnn wrote... >It would give you an idea of how long you could drive on >a side grade. TRUST me. Seeing how much of a side-grade the crew-cab will handle is NOT an excercize I'll be undertaking lightly. Probably what we'll do is finish it, load it up, then hook it to a crane or forklift and do a VERY CONTROLLED side angle test. I'll need to know how far it can go, but this thing is the antithesis of the Serious One (if you know what I mean). > >Glad to see you are placing your weight as low as possible and inside the >outer frame rail. This is one truck that will DEFINITELY need it. >How much fuel will you be able to carry? The center fuel tank we figure will hold about 36 gallons (maybe a little less), and the rear tank will maybe hold 20. >Any built in >water tank(s) for thirsty tourists? I debated about that long and hard, and decided that the water is better off being with the food, so I will carry water in the chuck-wagon in the 5-gallon jugs that the commercially available purified water comes in. I'd love to find Aquafina in the BIG jugs. Doing tanks is burdensome on cleanup and maintenance. Pre-packaged water is soooo much easier, plus the health department can't come down on me for not meeting regulations. ;) >If you adapt the Lucas universal sender unit it comes with a low level >switch. I've been thinking of adding a box at the top of my windscreen >with one led for each tank and running wires to each low level lamp. The VDO senders and guages we used on the Serious One are deathly accurate. If I can remember to pay attention to it I should (read *SHOULD*) be fine. Yeah, it'd be embarassing to run out of fuel after 50+ gallons. > >Don't be jealous. Remember what they say about the grass??? > >Um, Once the shit has been dealt with the grass that has been shat upon >is always greener than the grass that has never been shat upon? Yeah, something like that. ;) > >Keep the progress reports coming. Will do. Michael _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From bens Mon Jul 15 13:52:04 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6FHq4Q22314 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 13:52:04 -0400 Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 13:52:04 -0400 Message-Id: <200207151752.g6FHq4e22310@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Any survivors from Deer Creek? Haven't hear a peep! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org So, how was the trip this weekend? Turnout? Trails? Any excitment? Just wanting to live vicariously through those that went since I was stuck in my engine bay all weekend long... Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 From bens Mon Jul 15 14:10:35 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6FIAZZ22495 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 14:10:35 -0400 Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 14:10:35 -0400 Message-Id: <200207151810.g6FIAZQ22491@minbar.fourfold.org> From: James Howard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Range Rover Headroom Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I hit the roof of a lot of vehicles, including the 89 Range Rover and Suburbans. I get around it by reclining the seat a little. I did notice my Dad's 93 RR with the glass sunroof seemed to have a little bit more headroom. I am 5'10, with the long torso and short legs. Someone told me that was a trait traceable to my English ancestry. Who knows. Our 89 RR is actually Kelly's. Many times when I get in, I say "How long has it been doing this?" "Oh yeah, I forgot to tell you about that." Once it was the alternator light and we just had barely enough juice to reach the house. The light had been on for two days. James "Gomes, David" wrote: > > "....Let some air out of the tires. ;o)..." > > Guilty as charged, in the figurative sense, even if that's not the joke > intended... :^))) > > But if I loose weight, I won't crush the cushion down as much > either....Hmmmm It's primarily Cheryl's truck, and she's built opposite me, > long legs, short torso. So it works out great for her. I only have to [ 3 additional quoted lines pruned. ] -- James Howard Naval Research Lab Code 7215, NPOI Project RR14, Box 447 Lake Mary Road Flagstaff, AZ 86001 +1-928-773-4868 (voice) +1-928-779-9568 (fax) James.Howard@nrl.navy.mil -or- jhoward@sextans.lowell.edu From bens Mon Jul 15 14:18:31 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6FIIV422538 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 14:18:31 -0400 Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 14:18:31 -0400 Message-Id: <200207151818.g6FIIVf22534@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Thomas Joyner" To: "Mendo List" Subject: Michael's limbo Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Michael wrote "Now we're thinking Las Vegas. Not my first choice, but a good second I think." Durango is only two and a half hours from Moab! But you already know that. Tom Durango From bens Mon Jul 15 14:41:56 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6FIfuF22920 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 14:41:56 -0400 Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 14:41:56 -0400 Message-Id: <200207151841.g6FIfue22915@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jeff Rogers To: Mendo Recce List Subject: Re: Any survivors from Deer Creek? Haven't hear a peep! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org on 7/15/02 10:52 AM, Jason Pipes at jpipes@csd.uwm.edu wrote: > > So, how was the trip this weekend? Turnout? Trails? Any excitment? > > Just wanting to live vicariously through those that went since I was stuck > in my engine bay all weekend long... I'm interested to hear too. FYI, my clunk turned out to be my air tank. I think it must have been moved during my last service because it was only held in place by the hoses (clamps missing). :( So I fixed it on Saturday and all is well. -->Jeff From bens Mon Jul 15 14:54:47 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6FIsl323007 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 14:54:47 -0400 Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 14:54:47 -0400 Message-Id: <200207151854.g6FIslM23003@minbar.fourfold.org> From: William Schroen To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Series III help Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I am needing help working on my brakes. Nothing major just a few questions and I would like to do it inperson. Anybody available? I can drive to you if you are within an hour of oakland, no problem. Also, being unemployed, I am available anytime at your convenience. Thanks. Bill Schroen __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com From bens Mon Jul 15 15:10:50 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6FJAor23120 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 15:10:50 -0400 Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 15:10:50 -0400 Message-Id: <200207151910.g6FJAo923116@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Polla Slade" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Michael's limbo Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hey Tom, Yeah, Durrango is a good choice for ME, but in my case, I have to also weigh the needs/wants of my wife. We thought about it pretty seriously about 2 years ago. Looked appealing when we drove through. Remember, we waved on main street!?!? She is a middle-school english/history/spanish teacher, and Utah and Colorado aren't hiring right now. Las Vegas (Clarke County) hires 1800-2000 teachers every *YEAR* and opens as many highschools/middleschools/elementary schools per year that my wife had in her entire district in Portland! It's going crazy there with growth. My biggest concern is the infrastructure required to keep everyone alive there. Water is, as always, the golden ticket to life in the desert. Problem is, as always, there's not enough to go around. Hopefully we won't be part of the problem, but I suppose it's inevitable when anyone moves into the desert. Gulp! Michael _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From bens Mon Jul 15 15:43:17 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6FJhH323286 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 15:43:17 -0400 Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 15:43:16 -0400 Message-Id: <200207151943.g6FJhGe23282@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Engine removal Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- Spencer Knight wrote: > > Hi All, > > The engine was removed yesterday, thanks to some help > from Jason Pipes and > his 12,000lb strap! We've decided it would be fun to > imagine that I have > the engine from his disco, regardless of the veracity of > that! no comprende! Aah! Yeah! that's be kinda cool, but pretty unlikely...but..ya never know! ;-) > The 4.0 engine came out of the truck with the > transmission attached, per the > instructions in the manual. You did WHAT!!!!! OOH! that makes it hard! ...as you found out.. I see no reason whatsoever to remove the box with the engine. muuuch more work. It was extemely heavy, so > much so that we > almost couldn't get it out entirely, as with only one > lift, which was > holding up the engine, we were hard pressed to get the > transmission to come > up. I can imagine! > I have a few questions: > 1. Could I removed the transmission, re-install the new > engine, and then > install the transmission separately later? > 2. After installing the engine, but before installing > the tranny, can I > attempt to start the engine to see if it works? no....the tranny has to either go in first or together. I'd suggest to re-install the box first. than install the engine, unless there is someting on the 4.9 engine that makes it different? Jeremy?? Paul __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com From bens Mon Jul 15 15:52:05 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6FJq5c23438 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 15:52:05 -0400 Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 15:52:05 -0400 Message-Id: <200207151952.g6FJq5X23434@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Peter Ogilvie To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Michael's limbo Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hawaii is desperate for teachers, I'm sure Polla would have no problem finding work in Kona. It's a bit of a pain driving to Moab, however. With the number of Viet Nam inspired teachers retiring, seems like there would be openings everywhere. We've got a high school that will be losing 2/3rds of its teachers to retirement in the next 5 years. Aloha Peter O. --- Polla Slade wrote: > > Hey Tom, > > Yeah, Durrango is a good choice for ME, but in my > case, I have to also weigh > the needs/wants of my wife. We thought about it > pretty seriously about 2 > years ago. Looked appealing when we drove through. > Remember, we waved on [ 29 additional quoted lines pruned. ] _________________________________________________________________ > Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN > Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com From bens Mon Jul 15 16:10:26 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6FKAQl23608 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 16:10:26 -0400 Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 16:10:25 -0400 Message-Id: <200207152010.g6FKAPM23604@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kerner, Rob" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: Any survivors from Deer Creek? Haven't hear a peep! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I can only speak for myself. About 15 trucks met at the trailhead. Slick rock trail was fun. A little more dug out than previous years. We took our time on slick rock, becuase Ebbets Pass was closed until 3pm for the Death Ride. By the time we finished slick rock trail, ate lunch, and lounged at Alpine lake it was around 2:30. I wasn't feeling well, I think from KFC on Friday, so I decided to bale out here. When the road opened a smaller group made its way down to the Blue lakes trail head. A blue D-90 got lost, so I escorted them down before I headed out. I left at 4:00 pm, and about three trucks out of the group had passed the first obstacle. Two discos, and Morgan drove pavement around to Blue lakes to hopefully meet the group. I am not sure if this happened. I would guess the group probably set up camp before Blue lakes, or they drove until fairly late Sat. evening, or both. -Rob From bens Mon Jul 15 17:05:37 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6FL5bx23934 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 17:05:37 -0400 Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 17:05:37 -0400 Message-Id: <200207152105.g6FL5bd23930@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: " mendo rec list" Subject: Re: How far is too far when modifying a Rover? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Speaking of Early Broncos: >They can be modified to go anywhere! But in original condition, they are >some weak drivetrain components, except for the last few years. Like I said they remind me of series rigs TeriAnn Wakeman If you send me direct mail, please Santa Cruz, California start the subject line with TW - twakeman@cruzers.com I will be sure to read the message http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 From bens Mon Jul 15 17:10:29 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6FLATD23973 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 17:10:29 -0400 Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 17:10:28 -0400 Message-Id: <200207152110.g6FLASb23969@minbar.fourfold.org> From: shukait@mac.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Keith's Slick Rock / Deer Creek Trip Report Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org All, Friday: Pam and the kids stayed home to attend a Scout event and my friend Todd and I followed my folks to Jamestown. My dad was picking up his new Chevy pickup from the dealer there and we went to check it out. I invited my folks to join us at the Cope's for a while and we'd head up to their cabin later and stay the night in Arnold. Eric and Bridget's place was very nice and we all had a good time, thank you. Most of the guys went down to Eric's shooting range and shot trap for an hour or so. I shot a lot of weapons in the Army and Air Force but never had the chance to use a shotgun. I borrowed my friend Todd's shot gun and managed to hit about 50 percent of the time. We left before the BBQ as we still needed to figure out the food situation for the trip. Saturday: Arrived at Spicer Road meeting point and headed off on the trail with everyone. I've done some 4x4ing between the Army and some other trucks I've owned but never any rock crawling. This was much different than the being off road in an Amry M151A1 Jeep. You see the government owned that one and when it got munched for any reason it was no big deal. Today I'm in my paid for, but not covered off road, 97 Disco XD. The last thing I heard before we left was, if you scratch it, don't come home. Despite all the odds I managed to munge the fender on the passenger side after coming down on a rock on the first obstacle. We arrived at the second obstacle, a steep decent down medium size boulders. After watching trucks with bigger tires and lifts scrape down the obstacle I decided to bow out. Big thanks goes to Ben Mitchell in is Defender 90 for spotting me and the other stock Disco back to the trail head. Ben had other plans that evening and only planed on doing the Utica to Alpine lake portion of the trail. When he took the time to spot us back he missed driving the trail with everyone else. I told Todd to ride with Ben to Alpine Lake and I'd meet him there. Thanks again Ben. When the other Disco and I got to Alpine Lake we started the trail but after a mile decided to go back to the lake as we weren't sure if they would come out this way. We ran into Morgan's wife (sorry, I forgot your name) in her diesel Ford Crew Cab parked at the lake and she confirmed we were on the right trail. She jumped into my Disco and we headed out to meet the rest of the group and have lunch. With lunch finished everyone stopped at the lake where Joe, Morgan and I went for a swim to cool off. Everyone jump on to Hwy 4 and headed out to the Blue Lakes trail. Todd and I in the Disco and Morgan and his wife in their Ford decided to take Hwy 4 to 89 to 88 to Blue Lakes, we'd camp there and meet everyone in the morning. Todd and I pulled out the fly poles and fished Bear Creek (I think) and walked back to camp. The mosquitos were out in force and even the dogs were hiding in the tent so some where around 8:00pm we headed back to my folks cabin in Arnold. Sunday: Todd and I went fly fishing on the Stanislaus River until about 2;00pm and hit the road home. Thoughts: First, I had a good time even know I smashed the fender. There were a bunch of nice folks and I got to shoot trap and fly fish for the first time. Understand that I and only I am responsible for my truck, my driving, myself and the damage I caused. That said this run IMHO was not suitable for all vehicles as posted on the trip description on our web site. Next time when planning trips, suitable for all vehicles should mean bone stock truck and possible damage likeliness; low, medium or high. Judging by this number of trucks that were damaged (3 that I know of) this trip should have been high. My Disco would have definitely made it on the whole trail, it's just how much damage I wanted to endure and for me this was too much. IMHO must items for my Disco before taking this kind of trip again are: bigger tires, at least a 3" lift, ARB type front and rear bumpers, rock sliders, diff guards and any other skid plates I can add. Total damage was a small dent in the front diff, small scratch on the bottom of the brush guard, smashed plastic rocker panel and a bent fender. Cost for L&M Body shop in Campbell to fix the rocker / fender damage is $782 discounted from $969. Lesson learned: Body armor is cheaper that body work I made too many assumptions before and during the trip Truck needs to be better prepared for runs like these Cheers, Keith From bens Mon Jul 15 17:12:14 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6FLCEY23993 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 17:12:14 -0400 Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 17:12:14 -0400 Message-Id: <200207152112.g6FLCEF23989@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Engine removal Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Paul, others, we came to that "conclusion" however shoddy because his replacement 4.0 engine came from a rolled Disco, and we had a Disco, with a 4.0 in it, and it was rolled. It was a joke really, but wouldn't that be, er, funny? >> The engine was removed yesterday, thanks to some help >> from Jason Pipes and his 12,000lb strap! We've decided >> it would be fun to imagine that I have >> the engine from his disco, regardless of the veracity of >> that! >no comprende! Aah! Yeah! that's be kinda cool, but pretty >unlikely...but..ya never know! ;-) Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 From bens Mon Jul 15 17:21:10 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6FLLAS24072 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 17:21:10 -0400 Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 17:21:10 -0400 Message-Id: <200207152121.g6FLLAX24068@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Turner, Jon [LFS]" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Any survivors from Deer Creek? Haven't hear a peep! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; ] [ 45 lines filtered. ] This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. charset="iso-8859-1" It was a great trip, Emily and I had a really good time. I wasn't able to take the 110 due to a failing power-brake vacuum assist (hole or tear in the diaphragm) so brought the RR instead. I do believe that some of the newcomers had a bit of a conflict with Eric's rating of "easy / occasional moderate". We probably should have made a disclaimer on the website that this would probably not be a good 'first trail' for someone in their new Rover with street tires. There were also not many operational CBs, which made communication up and down the group challenging, and we became very spread out. (The first group made camp on Saturday about 1.5 hours before the rear). We camped next to the stream as planned, so had very heavy dew in the morning. A few of us made a very leisurely start after the main group, so that we could pack nice dry gear! Next trip Nevada with Jason! Jon From bens Mon Jul 15 17:29:32 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6FLTWE24120 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 17:29:32 -0400 Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 17:29:32 -0400 Message-Id: <200207152129.g6FLTWE24116@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jeff Rogers To: Mendo Recce List Subject: Re: Keith's Slick Rock / Deer Creek Trip Report Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org on 7/15/02 2:10 PM, shukait@mac.com at shukait@mac.com wrote: > sponsible for my truck, my > driving, myself and the damage I caused. That said this run IMHO was > not suitable for all vehicles as posted on the trip description on our > web site. Next time when planning trips, suitable for all vehicles > should mean bone stock truck and possible damage likeliness; low, medium > or high. Judging by this number of trucks that were damaged (3 that I > know of) this trip should have been high. My Disco would have > definitely made it on the whole trail, it's just how much damage I > wanted to endure and for me this was too much. That's good feedback Keith. Just to let you know... We've been running that trail for a few years now. We've taken bone stock Disco II's down that trail without incident. It sounds like the trail had changed somewhat though. Wish I could have been there! -->Jeff From bens Mon Jul 15 17:57:00 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6FLv0e24384 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 17:57:00 -0400 Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 17:57:00 -0400 Message-Id: <200207152157.g6FLv0N24379@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Keith's Slick Rock / Deer Creek Trip Report Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "...It sounds like the trail had changed somewhat though...." Highly likely. You only need to run the same trail about, oh, twice, to know they're never the same. It goes both directions too. I've seen trail rides touted as "locked and armored only" that ended up being walkable by a stock 2A with a good....well okay, the best I know (Jim Hall), driver at the wheel. This is also why a good up to date recce like Jason did got Pyramid Lake is really priceless. Good on ya for taking your own responsibility, and for "knowing when to say when". The best off road equipment you can get is what's between your ears, and it sounds like you're already pretty well "kitted out", Keith. :^) I love that line that body armor is cheaper than body work. I'm surprised I haven't seen it in use by one of the big suppliers. -Dave G. From bens Mon Jul 15 19:03:32 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6FN3Wr24726 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 19:03:32 -0400 Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 19:03:32 -0400 Message-Id: <200207152303.g6FN3W424722@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Polla Slade" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Michael's limbo Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Peter wrote... >Hawaii is desperate for teachers, I'm sure Polla would >have no problem finding work in Kona. It's a bit of a >pain driving to Moab, however. > >With the number of Viet Nam inspired teachers >retiring, seems like there would be openings >everywhere. We've got a high school that will be >losing 2/3rds of its teachers to retirement in the >next 5 years. Now THAT is amazing. Whod'a thought that Hawaii would be looking for teachers. A friend of my wife's is also a teacher (elementary school), and her contract was terminated last year. She's looking for work too, I'll send her your message. Perhaps that'll inspire her. Thanks! Michael _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From bens Mon Jul 15 19:08:40 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6FN8eQ24764 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 19:08:40 -0400 Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 19:08:40 -0400 Message-Id: <200207152308.g6FN8ev24760@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Russ Wilson To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Michael's limbo Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > We've got a high school that will be > >losing 2/3rds of its teachers to retirement in the > >next 5 years. > >Now THAT is amazing. Whod'a thought that Hawaii would be looking for >teachers. > >A friend of my wife's is also a teacher (elementary school), and her >contract was terminated last year. She's looking for work too, I'll send [ 1 additional quoted lines pruned. ] I'm a teacher and the job mkt is either hot or cold depending on the city. The hot mkts right now are Denver, Vegas and Anchorage. Anyplace you have growth, you have a need for teachers. The trick is to find a city with decent pay and reasonable living costs. I'm presently in LA and counting the days until we move out of this cess pool. RW -- "Your friend is the one you call to bail you out of jail. Your best friend is the one sitting next to you saying,'Dude, that was awesome!" From bens Mon Jul 15 19:10:58 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6FNAwS24819 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 19:10:58 -0400 Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 19:10:58 -0400 Message-Id: <200207152310.g6FNAwJ24815@minbar.fourfold.org> From: John Brabyn To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Drum brakes Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Brian Horner wrote: > but disk brakes would > require less peddle power, would reduce uncontrolled skidding in > emergency situations and would lower the insurance premium. I am no fan of drum brakes, but they actually require less pedal power than disc brakes. Cheers John From bens Mon Jul 15 19:12:56 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6FNCuT24840 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 19:12:56 -0400 Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 19:12:56 -0400 Message-Id: <200207152312.g6FNCuF24836@minbar.fourfold.org> From: John Brabyn To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: USA Today & Freelander Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I must say the USA Today review was surprisingly frank and negative. Actually I was very much cheered by the fact that the writer expected the vehicle, as a Land Rover, to have excellent off road ability, and he was disillusioned that is\t was an imposter. More articles like this might just be a good thing. Cheers John Peter Hope wrote: > > This might help: > > http://www.usatoday.com/money/columns/healey/2002-07-12-freelander.htm > > > > hmph. > > I got a chance to see my first freelander in person. LR of Honolulu has a > bunch so I stopped in after lunch. Boy they sure are tiny up close. Din't > have the time or desire to do a test drive. [ 1 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Mon Jul 15 19:19:48 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6FNJmX24910 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 19:19:48 -0400 Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 19:19:48 -0400 Message-Id: <200207152319.g6FNJmD24906@minbar.fourfold.org> From: James Howard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Michael's limbo Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Two of my old teachers, who are married to each other, are now teaching at an international school in Saudi Arabia. They are making something like $150K each, plus they get round-trip plane tickets anywhere in the world twice a year. Russ Wilson wrote: From bens Mon Jul 15 19:28:54 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6FNSsO24979 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 19:28:54 -0400 Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 19:28:54 -0400 Message-Id: <200207152328.g6FNSsV24975@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Michael's limbo Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "....They are making something like $150K each, plus they get round-trip plane tickets anywhere in the world twice a year....." You could double both figures, and I still wouldn't want to trade places with them.... Dave "chicken-shit-comfy-american" G. :^) From bens Mon Jul 15 19:48:27 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6FNmRt25071 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 19:48:27 -0400 Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 19:48:27 -0400 Message-Id: <200207152348.g6FNmRi25067@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: Michael's limbo Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- "Gomes, David" wrote: > > "....They are making something like $150K each, plus they > get round-trip > plane tickets anywhere in the world twice a year....." > > You could double both figures, and I still wouldn't want > to trade places > with them.... > [ 1 additional quoted lines pruned. ] but dave...they can get some of the coolest rovers there! you've seen what is available in SA! for example three axle and convertible rangies ;-) I was surprised to find out that Iran(persia) is actually a very beautifull country(too bad they are ruled by psychos!..and that is not my opinion, but from persian friends!(they prefer not be called Iranians..) I wonder if Saudi Arabia is as beautifull? Anyone beent there? Paul __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com From bens Mon Jul 15 20:11:20 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6G0BKq25187 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 20:11:20 -0400 Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 20:11:20 -0400 Message-Id: <200207160011.g6G0BKa25183@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "mpatrykus" To: Subject: RE: Mods Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >>Ugh Purists, extremist, zelots..... ( By Cracky, its a glorified farm tractor ! )<< I knew I would stir somebody up, Tom! I do agree with you & TeriAnn that a modified, resurrected former basket case is better than another scrapped Rover. Mainly what bugs me is trucks that amount to a Rover body and little else Rover. There was an 88 on Ebay awhile back that had a mix of Citroen, Renault, and Nissan mechanicals, bizarre aftermarket alloy wheels, a polished body, and I could have sworn it had chrome naked lady mudflaps... Also, I will gladly buy more Rovers to save them from certain doom. You can send your tax deductible donation to: Mo's Old Rover Home and Brewery, 123 Main Street, Anytown, USA, 12345. Mo Patrykus ------------------------------------------- Introducing NetZero Long Distance Unlimited Long Distance only $29.95/ month! Sign Up Today! www.netzerolongdistance.com From bens Mon Jul 15 21:20:51 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6G1KpW25492 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 21:20:51 -0400 Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 21:20:51 -0400 Message-Id: <200207160120.g6G1Kp725488@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Fil F." To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Michael's limbo Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org standard operationing procedure in the middle east especially in affluent countries there, IT jobs could fetch 150K easy + 1 month vacation paid anywhere, nurses and other medical profs also make a lot there, most folks fly to europe on the weekends for fun, the US gov will only tax your income up to certain amount depending on your tax bracket/contract - the rest is tax free ( not sure on this anymore), ask the oil rig workers on ARAMCO how much they make and also the fire fighters who put out the oil fires after the gulf war , they are either dead and/or dying and very rich fil >From: James Howard >Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Subject: Re: Michael's limbo >Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 19:19:48 -0400 > >Two of my old teachers, who are married to each other, are now teaching >at an international school in Saudi Arabia. They are making something >like $150K each, plus they get round-trip plane tickets anywhere in the [ 3 additional quoted lines pruned. ] _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From bens Mon Jul 15 23:05:05 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6G355i26217 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 23:05:05 -0400 Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 23:05:05 -0400 Message-Id: <200207160305.g6G355626213@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Polla Slade" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: Michael's limbo Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org That's pretty funny, because Polla and I were reading Jame's e-mail and were going 'hmmmmmm....' Michael _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From bens Mon Jul 15 23:41:32 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6G3fWh26373 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 23:41:32 -0400 Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 23:41:32 -0400 Message-Id: <200207160341.g6G3fWn26369@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Jason Osborne" To: Subject: RE: Mods Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >I could have sworn it had chrome naked lady mudflaps... Hmm... Ok, strike from list - NO naked lady mudflaps. Well, maybe just one. Thanks to everyone for the responses!! Sometimes I don't always trust the voices in my head. And, I like to talk to other people, especially when it could eventually involve a big pile 'o cash, or jail time. ;) J2. From bens Tue Jul 16 00:04:39 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6G44dt26582 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 00:04:39 -0400 Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 00:04:39 -0400 Message-Id: <200207160404.g6G44dC26578@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jeremy Bartlett To: mendo Subject: Re: Engine removal Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "The 4.0 engine came out of the truck with the transmission attached" HOLY SHIT! What are you guys doing? :) Reinstall the transmission as best you can; be carefull the torque convertor doesn't slip or get pulled of the pump shaft (keep it tilted up from horizontal if possible and/or brace it in place in the bellhousing. It'll be an absolute bitch to get it back on the pump shaft if it slips off. When the transmission is reinstalled then install the engine. It's a bit late but FYI Engine R&R is routinely done with the transmission in place. Jeremy From bens Tue Jul 16 00:06:25 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6G46PB26626 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 00:06:25 -0400 Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 00:06:25 -0400 Message-Id: <200207160406.g6G46Pu26622@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: water pump woes Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org So, I was just about finished with the whole thing today, when, in procession, I realized the new gasket on the WP was leaking, I broke off the shaft of one of the bolts when tightening it, and finally, punctured the radiator. Actually, I'm not upset or worried at all. It'll all be fixed rather "easy" - I'm getting new bolts, a proper torque wrench so I never snap anything again, a new gasket that I now know how to properly place (the first three times I tried is when I likely buggered the first one up) and, most expensively, a new radiator. Anyone have a D110 radiator they want to sell, or better yet, do you think I can salvage this one if I only punctured one of the coolant pippets? A good suggestion would be, on the 110 at least (since you DON'T have to remove the radiator to remove the WP) to place a thin metal guard or protector over the back end of the radiator to prevent you from putting holes in it like I did... Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 From bens Tue Jul 16 00:22:30 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6G4MUE27696 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 00:22:30 -0400 Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 00:22:29 -0400 Message-Id: <200207160422.g6G4MT927692@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Engine removal Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- Jeremy Bartlett wrote: > > "The 4.0 engine came out of the truck with the > transmission attached" > > HOLY SHIT! > > What are you guys doing? :) > > Reinstall the transmission as best you can; be carefull [ 11 additional quoted lines pruned. ] I don'r remember exactly what i said, but knew Jeremy would aggree! ;-0 hehehehe Sorry! can't helping laughing after reading Jeremy's comment! ;-) Paul __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com From bens Tue Jul 16 00:37:27 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6G4bRN27884 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 00:37:27 -0400 Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 00:37:26 -0400 Message-Id: <200207160437.g6G4bQF27880@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: water pump woes Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- Jason Pipes wrote: > > So, I was just about finished with the whole thing today, > when, in > procession, I realized the new gasket on the WP was > leaking, I broke off the SNIP > A good suggestion would be, on the 110 at least (since > you DON'T have to > remove the radiator to remove the WP) to place a thin > metal guard or > protector over the back end of the radiator to prevent > you from putting > holes in it like I did... Jason, Sorry to hear of the problems. The radiator can be repaired by tapping off the top and bottom ends of the broken tube with solder at teh rad shop. they do it all the time(or used to, if they say they can't go to another shop, it's been a typical repair since the begginings of the automobile. There is no shame with running a rad with one tube short, so no need to buy a new radiator. it'd be a good time to get the radiator rodded out anyway as the beast is nine years old.) I know people say you do not need to remove the radiator, BUT this is exactly why I told you to remove it!!! don't feel bad, everyone does it at some point. I did it with a toasted leaking radiator, which neaded to be replaced anyway. The suggestion of covering it up with a metal sheet or piece of masonite is a great idea. ;-) Paul __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com From bens Tue Jul 16 01:08:25 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6G58Pb28040 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 01:08:25 -0400 Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 01:08:24 -0400 Message-Id: <200207160508.g6G58Oq28036@minbar.fourfold.org> From: joe mulqueen To: mendo Subject: re. Any survivors from Deer Creek? Haven't hear a peep! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hello, I just got home Monday PM. At the completion of Sunday’s ride, outdoorsmen Rich Lee and his cousin Jeff in their one eyed Disco, Carl with his Disco II and I with my 109sw decided to explore a high trail to Crater Lake just a few miles NE of Carson Pass. Another side trail ended at an old mine shaft. The lake itself was rimmed by steep rock walls edged with snow melting into tall, narrow waterfalls. After a few hours enjoying the area, Carl left to return home and I agreed to stay out another day with the Rich and Jeff. We traveled west over Carson Pass and spent the night at Woods Lake campground to "freshen up" then Monday morning took 10N13 from Caples Lake over to hwy 50 near a small village named Strawberry. This trail was very scenic (also allowing us to peer down at Kirkwood) but it had a few tortuous areas littered with appliance sized boulders. After the beating I’d taken on Saturday, I had no regrets “adjusting” the trail a few times, but I also had excellent spotting from the experienced Rich and Jeff. In summary, my vehicle suffered a bit of sill damage (shoulda removed ‘em!), a few good whacks to the crossmember and rear corners, a squashed exhaust pipe, creaky front hub (failing u-joint?) and a shifted steering wheel. Meanwhile, Eric and Brigid Cope’s hospitality was fantastic as usual and I got to swim in 4 different lakes. A good time! Joe Mulqueen ’67 SIIA 109 SW Ps. Using my digicam, Casey took a great pic of my 109 in the air if anyone wants to see…. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com From bens Tue Jul 16 01:08:28 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6G58Sg28055 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 01:08:28 -0400 Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 01:08:28 -0400 Message-Id: <200207160508.g6G58Si28051@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Engine removal Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Just so everyone is aware this was not done on my suggestion! :0 In fact I've had nothing to do with the entire process of the RR engine removal until I was down at the work shop at the same time as Spence when he was pulling the thing out. He can speak for himself, but I think he mentioned something in the manual said to do it xyz way, so he did. It sure made it a process though. As it wasn't my truck or my project, I wasn't about to suggest to him otherwise having never done any engine removal before, but watching what I did sure seemed odd enough! Now I know why! Yikes, jpipes > >"The 4.0 engine came out of the truck with the transmission attached" > >HOLY SHIT! > >What are you guys doing? :) > >Reinstall the transmission as best you can; be carefull the torque >convertor doesn't slip or get pulled of the pump shaft (keep it tilted [ 12 additional quoted lines pruned. ] -- Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 From bens Tue Jul 16 01:11:30 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6G5BUA28091 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 01:11:30 -0400 Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 01:11:30 -0400 Message-Id: <200207160511.g6G5BU528087@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org, rovernet@lyris.ccdata.com Subject: I've been hijacked! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Listers, last week I got myself onto one of AOL's freebie trials, and of the times I logged-on to their service, I forgot ONE TIME to activate Norton Firewall. As a result, somebody has taken my Juno email address, and has been using it to send out junkmail. I have checked my system backwards and forwards for any viru$es or worm$, and there are none. The only saving grace, is that when I last had a system crash, I installed juno with an empty address book, so while I am considering closing this account and starting another one, I'm also not expecting any of you to personally get any junk email with this address. However, if this does happen, my apologies. Charles ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Tue Jul 16 01:12:01 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6G5C1N28108 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 01:12:01 -0400 Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 01:12:00 -0400 Message-Id: <200207160512.g6G5C0P28103@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Open air markets in S.J.Valley...(O.T.) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Folks, If you're ever in the Central Valley (San Juaquin) and happen upon an open air market/swap meet/auction, definately take a looksee at what's there. I picked up a Kennedy top toolbox (7-8 drawers, with the cover plate for carrying) in v.g.c. for $15.00! Also, picked up a 1950's-1960's era portable record player for $4.00! It plays 33's, 45's, and 78's! There was this auction house that the girlfriend and I went to a few weeks ago: they had a new Craftsman rollaway - the one with the ball bearing tracks and the drawer handles that you lift to open, 9 or so drawer top, and 7-8 drawer bottom, wide boxes (both), for $400! I priced this same box at Sears at about $1500. The set was new, though I stopped by the same auction house the other day, and it was back: seems that before the buyer could pick it up, the people at the auction house tipped it over on the drawers, and damaged the front of the boxes very badly! I took a look at it, but could only get one drawer on each box open. Oh well... Charles ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Tue Jul 16 01:12:01 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6G5C1J28121 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 01:12:01 -0400 Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 01:12:01 -0400 Message-Id: <200207160512.g6G5C1C28111@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: 127/130 expedition rig sighted in Visalia!!! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org After thinking about it - and talking to Russ, I'm not so sure that it was a 130: I think it was more like a 150! At first it appeared to be a 110, but aft of the rearside doors, the truck had a 109 regular-size bed! The body was entirely one unit (NOT a Hi-Cap, or a crewcab), and the Dormie top ran only the length of the 109-sized bed area, and did not extend over the front/rear seats. One thing that was most noticeable: it did U-Turns like a 88" does! I was most impressed, and there's no way that my Gillian could ever do a U-Turn like that. I talked with my girlfriend a few minutes ago: seems that she spotted this truck in Visalia again today - TWICE! She thinks that the family that's in it is spending time in Tulare, since that seems to be the direction that it always heads in when we lose sight of it. Her dad works in that area during the day, and she has assigned him to try to track it down, and talk with the owner. Will keep 'ya posted. Charles On Mon, 15 Jul 2002 12:05:27 -0400 "Jim Holmes" writes: > > Great looking vehicle! I saw this truck in Blanding, Utah on July 5. > Sounds > like they're movin' west. > > Regards, > > Jim > [ 13 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Tue Jul 16 02:26:05 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6G6Q5K28417 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 02:26:05 -0400 Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 02:26:05 -0400 Message-Id: <200207160626.g6G6Q5A28413@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: How far is too far when modifying a Rover? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org This has always been a tough question with me...while I wouldn't really consider myself a "purist", I do tend to use as many Land Rover or Brit items as I possibly can, in order to retain some sense of "originality". (the most notable exception being that Stewart-Warner diesel turbine heater that's getting installed SOON...) So far as I'm concerned - if you want a Chevy engine, buy a Chevy truck. This too becomes a grey area since the Aussies use Isuzu Tdi's in the Perentie Land Rovers. I'd LOVE to have a 110 Tdi, but can't buy one here. However, I can buy a 109 here, and perform a total frame-off restoration with whatever Land Rover parts that I desire...(coiler chassis, Tdi engine, etc....) I'd LOVE to have a 127 Rapier truck, but can't buy one here. However, I can buy a 109 here, and perform a total frame-off restoration with whatever Land Rover parts that I desire...(127 coiler chassis, used EFI V-8, Hi-Cap body...) Anything else that I'd like to have, either follows the above in that they can't be had here, or in the case of D110's, I'm not going to afford a NAS model in my lifetime - unless I hit the lottery. Then again, Gillian needs a chassis...Hmmmmmmmmm............... :) Charles ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Tue Jul 16 11:17:13 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6GFHDl31003 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 11:17:13 -0400 Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 11:17:12 -0400 Message-Id: <200207161517.g6GFHCo30999@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Series III help Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi Bill, I'm a bit more than 1 hour from Oakland ( actually 1 1/2 hours north of Sacramento), but I wonder if you want to ask questions off list? Bob B At 11:54 AM 7/15/2002, you wrote: >I am needing help working on my brakes. Nothing major >just a few questions and I would like to do it >inperson. Anybody available? I can drive to you if >you are within an hour of oakland, no problem. Also, >being unemployed, I am available anytime at your >convenience. Thanks. > >Bill Schroen > [ 4 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Tue Jul 16 12:29:04 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6GGT4n31385 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 12:29:04 -0400 Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 12:28:59 -0400 Message-Id: <200207161628.g6GGSxf31381@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: " mendo rec list" Subject: Re: How far is too far when modifying a Rover? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >This has always been a tough question with me...while I wouldn't really >consider myself a "purist", <> >However, I >can buy a 109 here, and perform a total frame-off restoration with >whatever Land Rover parts that I desire...(127 coiler chassis, used EFI >V-8, Hi-Cap body...) > So far as I'm concerned - if you want a Chevy engine, > buy a Chevy truck. I've always found this philosophy to be a bit strange about North American owners. Tweak anything you want but leave the engine within the marque. non Land Rover springs, no problem, non Land Rover bits & pieces no probleemo, coiler parts under a leafer body, thats'a nice. Touch that engine and some people automatically say it should not be done to a Land Rover and that the vehicle is no longer a Land Rover. You can do any number of things to the suspension and no one cares but touch that engine and it is no longer a Land Rover. In the UK, South Africa, Australia, New Zealand, people are swapping non Rover engines into their Land Rovers all the time without negative reactions. This Puritan derived culture is a funny thing. TeriAnn Wakeman If you send me direct mail, please Santa Cruz, California start the subject line with TW - twakeman@cruzers.com I will be sure to read the message http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 From bens Tue Jul 16 12:29:51 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6GGTpS31401 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 12:29:51 -0400 Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 12:29:51 -0400 Message-Id: <200207161629.g6GGTpC31397@minbar.fourfold.org> From: eric.fournier@attbi.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Disco I winch mount/cd player Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hey. Got some things sitting in the garage I'd like to get rid of (all from a 97 Disco): factory winch mount $300 http://www.roverconnection.com/Disco%20Acc% 20Pix/discowinch.htm factory CD changer and one magazine $250 lug nuts for alloy wheels - make offer Free delivery in the Bay Area :-) Eric From bens Tue Jul 16 13:46:14 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6GHkEm31797 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 13:46:14 -0400 Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 13:46:13 -0400 Message-Id: <200207161746.g6GHkDh31793@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jeff Rogers To: Mendo Recce List Subject: Re: re. Any survivors from Deer Creek? Haven't hear a peep! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org on 7/15/02 10:08 PM, joe mulqueen at joemulqueen@yahoo.com wrote: > Ps. Using my digicam, Casey took a great pic of my > 109 in the air if anyone wants to see…. Can you post it somewhere? I'd like to see... -->Jeff From bens Tue Jul 16 14:06:16 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6GI6Gr31914 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 14:06:16 -0400 Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 14:06:16 -0400 Message-Id: <200207161806.g6GI6GO31910@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: re. Any survivors from Deer Creek? Haven't hear a peep! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- Jeff Rogers wrote: > > on 7/15/02 10:08 PM, joe mulqueen at > joemulqueen@yahoo.com wrote: > > > Ps. Using my digicam, Casey took a great pic of my > > 109 in the air if anyone wants to see…. > > Can you post it somewhere? I'd like to see... -->Jeff Me too! ;-) Paul (who couldn't make it after all!) ;-( __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com From bens Tue Jul 16 15:39:22 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6GJdMp32521 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 15:39:22 -0400 Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 15:39:22 -0400 Message-Id: <200207161939.g6GJdMY32517@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: " mendo rec list" Subject: '63 88 & '67 109 SW for sale (Calif?) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I got an email from someone who inherited a pair of series rigs from his fater in law and wants to off them. The '63 is an 88 that has been poorly repainted pale red, including galvanized surfaces. It has a Kodiak heater, tailgate & hard top with sunscreen. It has that looks to be a California temp use sticker for last October. The '67 109 SW is limestone white, missing the front bumper and looks to have panel ripples along the left rear. It has Washington plates. Other than that I know nothing about these vehicles. No idea about price nor mechanical condition. To learn more contact: Kris Hall (714) 375-0222 ext.111 krishall@houseofbatteries.com Kris Hall (HOME), fastbeat2@aol.com From bens Tue Jul 16 15:42:43 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6GJgh132565 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 15:42:43 -0400 Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 15:42:42 -0400 Message-Id: <200207161942.g6GJggX32561@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: How far is too far when modifying a Rover? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Ah-HA! This is why I don't consider myself a purist: I don't care if something is aftermarket, so long as it was made to "fit" the truck. Like I said, the Aussies are using Isuzu Tdi's - these are NOT Land Rover engines, but I sure wouldn't mind having one. I've seen many engine transplants in many Brit cars over the years, and most have been total abortions, so far as the quality of the mod was concerned, and when it turns out bad, you gotta wonder about wether or not it's going to stay put when you're rock crawling - or dumping the clutch. If there's going to be heavy modifications done, at least make it look like it was built that way at the factory. That way, you'll have less of a "YOU PUT A DIFFERENT ENGINE IN IT!!!!!!!!!!" thing from others. The reason I DON'T have a Tdi in Gillian already is cost - pure and simple. I have a better chance of finding a Isuzu 4BDT in a Pick Your Part for $200, than being able to afford a 300Tdi rebuilt from England. That CAN change, though...maybe a year from now... :) Charles On Tue, 16 Jul 2002 12:28:59 -0400 TeriAnn Wakeman writes: > > > I've always found this philosophy to be a bit strange about North > American owners. Tweak anything you want but leave the engine > within the > marque. non Land Rover springs, no problem, non Land Rover bits & > pieces > no probleemo, coiler parts under a leafer body, thats'a nice. Touch > that [ 27 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Tue Jul 16 15:44:36 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6GJiaW32589 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 15:44:36 -0400 Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 15:44:36 -0400 Message-Id: <200207161944.g6GJiaT32585@minbar.fourfold.org> From: James Howard To: "mendo_recce@fourfold.org" Subject: How do I sell a vehicle? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I have a buyer for my Series III. I have never sold a vehicle before, despite having a driver's license for 16 years. Do I need to worry about him coming after me if something breaks a week after he buys it? Do I need to worry about anything else? James From bens Tue Jul 16 15:51:19 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6GJpJj32650 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 15:51:19 -0400 Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 15:51:19 -0400 Message-Id: <200207161951.g6GJpJh32646@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: How do I sell a vehicle? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org A clear, type written bill of sale stating the VIN, make, model, year, funds received, and the fact that it is accepted by the buyer in As-is Condition, signed and dated by both parties is my MO. I usually say something to the effect that the BOS covers the vehicle and all parts removed from some premises on some date, (why am I always off-loading a bunch of parts with every car???) just to be complete. They get a little trickier when, as has been the case lately, there's a trade involved. But vehicle for cash is pretty straightforward. -Dave G. From bens Tue Jul 16 16:48:17 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6GKmHU00583 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 16:48:17 -0400 Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 16:48:17 -0400 Message-Id: <200207162048.g6GKmHs00579@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Shane Ballensky To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: How do I sell a vehicle? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org The easiest is to pick up a bill of sale slip at your local DMV. My local DMV even has them outside in a plastic case so you can pick them up after hours. Then you know you have all the correct info for both parties. I've never had a person come back on me in all the cars I've sold.(there's been at least 15) I *think* there is like a 30 day period where the person could bring a vehicle back. Just tell the person and write it on the bill of sale "AS IS CONDITION" >I have a buyer for my Series III. I have never sold a vehicle before, >despite having a driver's license for 16 years. Do I need to worry >about him coming after me if something breaks a week after he buys it? >Do I need to worry about anything else? From bens Tue Jul 16 19:50:08 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6GNo8301660 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 19:50:08 -0400 Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 19:50:07 -0400 Message-Id: <200207162350.g6GNo7s01656@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Brian Horner To: Mendo Recce List Subject: General Repair Question Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I have a buddy who is reconnecting a fan into an engine. The wire was frayed in half so we wants to reconnect it and be done with it. Which is the preferred connection method for mending a wire in an engine: 1. Crimp with tube connector (maybe add electrical tape after wards to keep out dust?) 2. Solder connection 3. other..... Thank you so much. Brian ---------------------------------------------------------- http://www.roverme.org Land Rover Community, Links and Email Services From bens Tue Jul 16 20:29:05 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6H0T5301926 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 20:29:05 -0400 Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 20:29:04 -0400 Message-Id: <200207170029.g6H0T4H01922@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: General Repair Question Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "...Which is the preferred connection method for mending a wire in an engine:..." You'll be happier in the long run if you're able to do a good soldering job. The crimped connection will be subject to loosening by vibration, and intrusion of corrosion. On something like a fan especially, that will draw a lot of amps, you want the connection to be as robust as possible. If you'll need to disconnect it in the future, then a 2-pin trailer plug (soldered in-line) makes a pretty good connector if you grease the pins up good with dielectric silicone before you snap the two halves together. -Dave G. From bens Tue Jul 16 20:43:12 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6H0hCg02022 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 20:43:12 -0400 Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 20:43:12 -0400 Message-Id: <200207170043.g6H0hCL02018@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: General Repair Question Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org FYI, And after soldering (well, you have to slide it on the wire before you solder it!) I've been using waterproof heat shrink tubing from West Marine lately. This stuff gives a very high level of confidence, since as you shrink it onto the wire, you see a nice bead of hot-glue squeeze out the end of the heat shrink around the wire. Seems to be a good bond to the wire that will keep out moisture and dirt. High quality heat shrink too, nice and heavy. I don't remember the material, but it's much beefier than the crap I had from Radio Shack. -Dave G. From bens Tue Jul 16 20:59:28 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6H0xS202099 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 20:59:28 -0400 Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 20:59:27 -0400 Message-Id: <200207170059.g6H0xRa02095@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Brian Horner To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: General Repair Question Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Thank you David, this has been very useful! Ciao! Brian On Tuesday, July 16, 2002, at 05:43 PM, Gomes, David wrote: > > FYI, > > And after soldering (well, you have to slide it on the wire before you > solder it!) I've been using waterproof heat shrink tubing from West > Marine > lately. This stuff gives a very high level of confidence, since as you > shrink it onto the wire, you see a nice bead of hot-glue squeeze out > the end [ 9 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ---------------------------------------------------------- http://www.roverme.org Land Rover Community, Links and Email Services From bens Tue Jul 16 21:21:04 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6H1L4S02217 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 21:21:04 -0400 Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 21:21:04 -0400 Message-Id: <200207170121.g6H1L4A02213@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Shannon Holland To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: General Repair Question Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org On Tuesday, July 16, 2002, at 05:43 PM, Gomes, David wrote: > And after soldering (well, you have to slide it on the wire before you > solder it!) I've been using waterproof heat shrink tubing from West > Marine > lately. This stuff gives a very high level of confidence, since as you > shrink it onto the wire, you see a nice bead of hot-glue squeeze out > the end > of the heat shrink around the wire. Seems to be a good bond to the wire > that will keep out moisture and dirt. High quality heat shrink too, > nice [ 4 additional quoted lines pruned. ] Yes, this stuff is awesome! Kinda expensive though. I found that www.digikey.com carries some stuff made by 3M that's very similar and is generally much cheaper (as in about $10 for a 3 foot length). Only problem is that you have to order several sizes by which time you have a good 15 feet of shrink wrap that you have to hide somewhere... (I can locate the part numbers if anyone is interested - their site is kinda hard to find exactly what you want as they carry 500 million different little things.) Lately I've taken to removing the plastic protectors that cover most of the various plug/etc wire connectors and just using the shrink wrap (soldering the wire to connector first). That way you get a waterproof connection at both ends of the shrink wrap that's covering a very solid connection. Lots of wires in my engine bay need replacement at some point - 9 years of hot on top of crappy wiring with crappy connectors is taking it's toll! Oh, if you're looking for a nice portable soldering iron, Fry's has some butane powered ones that work pretty well. They also come with attachments that will shrink shrinkwrap, etc (although the heat from the iron itself does a pretty good job). Shannon From bens Tue Jul 16 22:58:25 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6H2wPv02750 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 22:58:25 -0400 Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 22:58:25 -0400 Message-Id: <200207170258.g6H2wPq02746@minbar.fourfold.org> From: john hess To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: rovers for sale Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hiya, I have photos of the Land Rovers that TeriAnn mentioned. A 63 88 in red, with early steering wheel, ind. wiper motors and kodiak heater. The 67 109 is limestone, looks all there except for the front bumper. NO idea of prices, and the phone number is 714, although the 109 has WA tags. I don't know if I should give out his phone numbers, but here's his email: "Kris Hall" I'll pass jpegs to anyone who wants them. cheers, John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Land Rover Dormobile web pages: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby" 1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" 1999 Bianchi Milano, 2001 Bianchi Pista 2002 Meridian Attache Softride Tandem From bens Tue Jul 16 23:47:37 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6H3lbD02955 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 23:47:37 -0400 Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 23:47:36 -0400 Message-Id: <200207170347.g6H3lan02951@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Matt W" To: Subject: Fan clutch on a 89 RR Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; ] [ 46 lines filtered. ] charset="iso-8859-1" my cooling issues/saga continue... I have a specific question about this part. here is the diagnosis I = performed.=20 I plan on buying a new assembly tomorrow but BP wants $140 bucks for = the clutch assembly so I want to make sure its faulty before I buy. Engine cold grab fan and spin CC clockwise, yield 1/4 revolution. Drive around neighborhood hills while applying brakes, get engine to = just below red zone on gauge. grab fan spin CC clockwise, yield 2 = revolutions.=20 Thanks for your input... Matt Wilson PS My wife asks what are you goingto say when they tell you to stop = driving around with the brakes on? From bens Wed Jul 17 01:31:39 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6H5VdO04722 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 01:31:39 -0400 Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 01:31:39 -0400 Message-Id: <200207170531.g6H5Vdp04718@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Polla Slade" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Crew Cab Rear Box Pix Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org For those of you who were wanting to see more, here they are... http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=67973 Michael _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From bens Wed Jul 17 03:23:16 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6H7NGV05174 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 03:23:16 -0400 Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 03:23:15 -0400 Message-Id: <200207170723.g6H7NFY05170@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: rovers for sale Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I'm going to look at them in the morning. Charles On Tue, 16 Jul 2002 22:58:25 -0400 john hess writes: > > Hiya, > > I have photos of the Land Rovers that TeriAnn mentioned. A 63 88 in > > red, with early steering wheel, ind. wiper motors and kodiak heater. > > The 67 109 is limestone, looks all there except for the front > bumper. [ 21 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Wed Jul 17 09:12:54 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6HDCsw06917 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 09:12:54 -0400 Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 09:12:54 -0400 Message-Id: <200207171312.g6HDCsB06913@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kerner, Rob" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: General Repair Question Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 24 lines filtered. ] I prefer soldered connections. When I replaced Regents wire harness I was amazed at the corrosion on all connections. If I stripped the wires back the green corrosion went well into the harness. -Rob From bens Wed Jul 17 09:22:27 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6HDMRn07065 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 09:22:27 -0400 Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 09:22:27 -0400 Message-Id: <200207171322.g6HDMRe07061@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: General Repair Question Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "....I've taken to removing the plastic protectors that cover most of the various plug/etc wire connectors and just using the shrink wrap...." Me too! Thanks for the digikey link. But like you said, I have a bunch stashed now. It was a little painful to order about $50 worth of shrink tubing. But I have to say, after using it for the first time, I forgot all about the cost. :^) -Dave G. From bens Wed Jul 17 09:29:23 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6HDTNE07155 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 09:29:23 -0400 Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 09:29:22 -0400 Message-Id: <200207171329.g6HDTMg07151@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: General Repair Question Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "...If I stripped the wires back the green corrosion went well into the harness. ..." That makes it really difficult to solder. Meaning I get lazy and think about using the crimped on connector. But rest assured, that corrosion that's preventing the solder from sticking, will also prevent the crimped connector from making the kind of contact you want. I usually end up using some 320 grit emery cloth, spreading the wire strands out, and dragging them through the emery cloth a few times to clean them up, then giving them a good flux bath before trying to solder them. Even at that it sometimes takes a couple tries, or I give up and just strip back to good wire and solder on a new piece. This is another place where West Marine (and probably others) can help out. They sell wire that's fully tinned, strand by strand throughout it's entire length. It will never corrode inside the insulation like the plain copper stuff does. -Dave G. From bens Wed Jul 17 09:33:00 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6HDX0b07202 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 09:33:00 -0400 Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 09:33:00 -0400 Message-Id: <200207171333.g6HDX0l07198@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Fan clutch on a 89 RR Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Probably the best thing you could do is to also check the fan action on a Range Rover that's NOT having a cooling problem. See if the action of your fan is significantly different from one that is doing the job. I'd offer, but Cheryl has her truck today and I couldn't get to it 'till tomorrow. Someone who's driving one today could check for you at lunch time by doing the same test you did on their own truck, number of revs cold and same test at operating temp. -Dave G. PS- thanks for the reminder. I'll do that test on Cheryl's truck while I'm doing the upcoming service. Just to establish a baseline. From bens Wed Jul 17 10:57:16 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6HEvGL07934 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 10:57:16 -0400 Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 10:57:16 -0400 Message-Id: <200207171457.g6HEvGA07930@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Eric Johnson" To: Subject: RE: General Repair Question Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I just rewired my '62 88". I used a wiring harness from Centech, they're similar to Painless Wiring, but if you have a question, you end up talking to the owner. I DID get the Painless waterproof connector kit. Assorted sizes and types of "crimp and heat shrink" connectors. I used those where practicable. I also soldered and used heat shrink for other connections, and yes, the West Marine heat shrink is better than Fry's or Radio Shack or Good Guy's Generic Electrical Parts booth bargain bin junk. eric From bens Wed Jul 17 11:34:56 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6HFYuP08331 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 11:34:56 -0400 Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 11:34:55 -0400 Message-Id: <200207171534.g6HFYtN08327@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Spencer Knight" To: Subject: Engine Removal Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Yeah, but think of all I've learned! 1. Never do this again. 2. Never do this again. 3. Never do this again. Thanks for the feedback about how to move forward everybody (go ahead, laugh, its ok, I can take it . . . sniff, sniff). I kinda planned to separate them before re-installation, but it wasn't clear to me from the manual how to separate them, so I figured once I got it out of the vehicle things would become more clear, and think of the photo opportunity we had. I'm a little unclear on the torque converter part though. Is there any possibility of taping the thing together in such a way that it won't come apart on me? Thanks, Spencer From bens Wed Jul 17 13:36:30 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6HHaUX09259 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 13:36:30 -0400 Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 13:36:30 -0400 Message-Id: <200207171736.g6HHaUb09255@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Casey McMullen To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: re. Any survivors from Deer Creek? Haven't hear a peep! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 12 lines filtered. ] Paul, You missed out. Both on a great trip, and because I brought those fender flairs thinking you'd be there. Let me know if you want to get together and I'll pass then on. Joe, I'd like to see the pictures too. If you send some of them to me, I'll put them up on a web page for everyone to see. -Casey From bens Wed Jul 17 22:45:30 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6I2jUl12151 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 22:45:30 -0400 Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 22:45:30 -0400 Message-Id: <200207180245.g6I2jUg12147@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Aidan McLeer" To: Subject: Re: Engine Removal Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org To help hold the torque converter in place, remove the small access cover at the bottom the bell housing(3 bolts), get a piece of metal about 4" long and 1/2" wide bend it to 90 deg in the middle, then drill a 6 mm hole in one end, insert it into the hole and secure with one of the 3 bolts you just removed, the bracket should touch the torque converter and stop it from falling forward. this works for putting the motor back on the transmission, when installing the trans into the truck use some similar home made brackets on the face of the bell housing to the converter, top and bottom. or even some stiff wire if you can get it tight enough. (don't forget to remove before putting the motor in...) Later Aidan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Spencer Knight" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 8:34 AM Subject: Engine Removal > > Yeah, but think of all I've learned! > 1. Never do this again. > 2. Never do this again. > 3. Never do this again. > Thanks for the feedback about how to move forward everybody (go ahead, > laugh, its ok, I can take it . . . sniff, sniff). I kinda planned to > separate them before re-installation, but it wasn't clear to me from the > manual how to separate them, so I figured once I got it out of the vehicle [ 11 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Wed Jul 17 23:39:34 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6I3dY312457 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 23:39:34 -0400 Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 23:39:34 -0400 Message-Id: <200207180339.g6I3dYm12453@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jeremy Bartlett To: Mendo List Subject: Re: Engine Removal Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "think of the photo opportunity we had" So are there photos? How do you feel about being the NCRC Cover boy :) Jeremy From bens Thu Jul 18 02:07:17 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6I67HN14578 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 18 Jul 2002 02:07:17 -0400 Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 02:07:17 -0400 Message-Id: <200207180607.g6I67HB14574@minbar.fourfold.org> From: John Young To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Engine Removal Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Spencer lamented: > Yeah, but think of all I've learned! > 1. Never do this again. > 2. Never do this again. > 3. Never do this again. Don't feel bad Spencer... there's plenty of British vehicles where it is perfectly rational to remove the engine and transmission as a single unit. I guess just not the Range Rover in this case. But think of the bragging rights you'll have. How many of your friends can say they did a heart transplant on *their* Range Rover? And besides, everyone already knew you were a little crazy anyway, after the amount of pinstriping you did to that fancy vehicle a couple of years ago when it was all shiny and new! -JY From bens Thu Jul 18 02:18:52 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6I6Iqm14636 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 18 Jul 2002 02:18:52 -0400 Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 02:18:51 -0400 Message-Id: <200207180618.g6I6Ipv14632@minbar.fourfold.org> From: aaron To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: sighting Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Any body know the story behind a non-NAS D90 County model with plates D90 ROCS. I saw it driving in Redwood City today. First non NAS Defender I have ever seen. I checked for leaf springs to make sure it wasn't a hacked series. Definitely an enthusiast by the choice of bumper stickers. Aaron Mount 69 88 in 500 pieces From bens Thu Jul 18 10:23:38 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6IENcw16864 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 18 Jul 2002 10:23:38 -0400 Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 10:23:38 -0400 Message-Id: <200207181423.g6IENco16860@minbar.fourfold.org> From: john hess To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Engine Removal Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I pulled the engine and tranny out of my Tiger as one unit. Jacked the front of the car up, pulled the front crossmember (holding the entire front suspension by 4 bolts) and pulled the unit out from below. Next time, you won't worry about engine removal. >Spencer lamented: > > Yeah, but think of all I've learned! > > 1. Never do this again. > >Don't feel bad Spencer... there's plenty of British vehicles where >it is perfectly rational to remove the engine and transmission as >a single unit. I guess just not the Range Rover in this case. >-JY John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Land Rover Dormobile web pages: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby" 1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" 1999 Bianchi Milano, 2001 Bianchi Pista 2002 Meridian Attache Softride Tandem From bens Thu Jul 18 11:06:57 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6IF6vB17106 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 18 Jul 2002 11:06:57 -0400 Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 11:06:57 -0400 Message-Id: <200207181506.g6IF6vF17102@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Engine Removal Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org It's a mandatory thing in MGB's, due to the way the body was made - you can't get to the bolts that mate the engine/gearbox in-car. (well, you can, but for the time it takes, you may as well remove everything at once, because it's faster!) TR's - gearbox comes out seperately. Minis - odd ones: the easiest by far, is to un-bolt the front subframe from the car (8 bolts), then undo the steering tie-rods from the front suspension (two nuts), then the engine steady rod (two bolts), undo the battery lead, coil/generator/temp wiring, and accelerator/choke, place a couple of blocks underneath the front subframe, then simply lift the body of the car by hand, and roll it backwards away from the entire engine/gearbox/suspension, and cooling systems that remain intact! I've seen people use engine hoists on them - it's a waste of time. (removal of the subframe can be done in half an hour!) Removing a engine/gearbox intact from a Mk.II Rangie - or ANY Rangie...that's tough! My hat's off to 'ya. (I wouldn't put them back in like that, though) Charles On Thu, 18 Jul 2002 10:23:38 -0400 john hess writes: > > I pulled the engine and tranny out of my Tiger as one unit. Jacked > the front of the car up, pulled the front crossmember (holding the > entire front suspension by 4 bolts) and pulled the unit out from > below. > > Next time, you won't worry about engine removal. > > [ 20 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Thu Jul 18 12:31:43 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6IGVhY17966 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 18 Jul 2002 12:31:43 -0400 Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 12:31:43 -0400 Message-Id: <200207181631.g6IGVhC17962@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: '63 88 & '67 109 SW for sale (Calif?) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Folks, The seller of these trucks couldn't meet with me yesterday, and so I'll be seeing them today. Will post what they look like up close for all interested. Charles ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Thu Jul 18 15:00:07 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6IJ07V18823 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 18 Jul 2002 15:00:07 -0400 Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 15:00:07 -0400 Message-Id: <200207181900.g6IJ07B18819@minbar.fourfold.org> From: joe mulqueen To: mendo Subject: H4 bulb brands Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Anyone experienced with high wattage H4 bulbs? I've been using the JC Whitney cheepy 80/100W traditional halogens but even with big wires, relays, etc. the filaments seem to break about once a year. Thanks, JFM '67 SIIA 109 SW __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com From bens Thu Jul 18 15:18:12 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6IJICw18907 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 18 Jul 2002 15:18:12 -0400 Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 15:18:12 -0400 Message-Id: <200207181918.g6IJICj18903@minbar.fourfold.org> From: James Howard To: "mendo_recce@fourfold.org" Subject: Fairey pivot bolt Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Anyone know where I can get a pivot bolt for the shifter on a Fairey overdrive? A metric bolt with a proper sized bushing would work, but I have not been able to find a proper sized bushing. How long do you think it would last if I made it out of plain brass? Thanks, James From bens Thu Jul 18 15:26:36 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6IJQam18970 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 18 Jul 2002 15:26:36 -0400 Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 15:26:36 -0400 Message-Id: <200207181926.g6IJQad18966@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: H4 bulb brands Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org The ones I had in my D90, that were transferred to the 109 were, Eagle-Eye, or some weird thing. Chinese MFG and the much maligned (here) "blue-bulbs" They're 5 years old now and still going strong. I got some, hellas, I think from a VW (www.fastforward.ca) guy in BC, but haven't run those yet. I have the 55/60s in the H4 housings now, been running them for a year with no trouble. -Dave G. From bens Thu Jul 18 16:35:48 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6IKZmg19434 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 18 Jul 2002 16:35:48 -0400 Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 16:35:47 -0400 Message-Id: <200207182035.g6IKZlU19430@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Bright lights... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I haven't tried Hella's or the like in any of my vehicles - yet. (I understand that Cibie is making a comeback in the States!!!) However, I have found that sealed beam halogens tend to not last very long in MGB's, while they seem to fare well in Land/Range Rovers. Wonder if the quality of the electrical system has anything to do with it??? Charles ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Thu Jul 18 16:45:57 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6IKjvL19516 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 18 Jul 2002 16:45:57 -0400 Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 16:45:57 -0400 Message-Id: <200207182045.g6IKjvd19512@minbar.fourfold.org> From: James Howard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Bright lights... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I have had SEV Marchall (sp?) H4's in my 66 MGB for at least 8 years. Actually, since I bought it. The bulbs are 45/100W. The wiring is stock, including the generator. I had one of the low beams burn out once, a couple of years ago, but other than that, no problems. I didn't even know they were 100W bulbs until the one burned out. No wonder I could see so well! James Charles R Irvin wrote: From bens Fri Jul 19 10:57:26 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6JEvQ825812 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 19 Jul 2002 10:57:26 -0400 Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 10:57:26 -0400 Message-Id: <200207191457.g6JEvQN25808@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Another test... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Haven't seen anything from the list in a few days...everybody still out there - or was everybody abducted by aliens??? Oh well...off to the S.O.'s for a few days anyway... Charles ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Fri Jul 19 11:09:24 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6JF9OL25897 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 19 Jul 2002 11:09:24 -0400 Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 11:09:24 -0400 Message-Id: <200207191509.g6JF9O225893@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Eric Johnson" To: Subject: Re: Another test... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Noticed the same thing... >>> cirvin1258@juno.com 07/19/02 07:57AM >>> Haven't seen anything from the list in a few days...everybody still out there - or was everybody abducted by aliens??? Oh well...off to the S.O.'s for a few days anyway... Charles ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Fri Jul 19 13:33:44 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6JHXiQ26773 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 19 Jul 2002 13:33:44 -0400 Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 13:33:44 -0400 Message-Id: <200207191733.g6JHXiO26769@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Article on Boxer Bill on sfgate Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Here's an article about mountain bikers trying to fight the Barbara Boxer Wilderness Bill. http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2002/07/19/BA174630.DTL Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 From bens Fri Jul 19 13:42:20 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6JHgK226846 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 19 Jul 2002 13:42:20 -0400 Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 13:42:19 -0400 Message-Id: <200207191742.g6JHgJj26841@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: HELP! I need a radiator!! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org So, we're having some serious problems with trying to get our radiator fixed AND with trying to find a new one. We took our current radiator in to the only two shops in/near SF, and both said it needed to be re-cored. The second place we went to at first said 55 bucks to rod out and fix the minor leak, but they called us back shortly after and said nope, it needed a re-core, 300 please. What's more, they called this morning and now they're saying it needs new tanks as well, another 250, so basically their putting the cost at MORE than a brand new genuine radiator. So in preperation for such an event I've been calling around to everyplace I can, Rovers North, British Pacific, Rover Connection - and NO ONE has one in stock, and apparently even the parts warehouse doesn't have one either and won't until August 8th. I'm about to try Atlantic British and some of the local dealers as a last resort, but I think I'm about to be screwed into having no truck for the event we're leading next week Thursday! Does anyone have any suggestions regarding finding a 110 radiator, anywhere? On the bright side we've received in the mail the goods we were sent from various sponsors for the Nevada Desert trip! Everything is very nice, including some larger grand prize type items. Very cool indeed. Anyway, I'm still hopelessly without a radiator... Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 From bens Fri Jul 19 15:12:15 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6JJCFZ27264 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 19 Jul 2002 15:12:15 -0400 Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 15:12:14 -0400 Message-Id: <200207191912.g6JJCEl27260@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: diff between ESR204 & ESR3685?? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I know this is getting pretty technical/detailed, but hey, I need help... Does anyone know the true difference between the radiators listed as ESR204 and ESR3685 (3685 used to be 1678...) for the D110/90? In the parts manual it states the difference is that 3685 requires the use of an oil cooler adapter, whereas 204 is the exact match for the NAS D110. The issue I'm trying to figure out is if that adapter is something that can be easily "adapted" or if it requires extensive welding to use. British Pacific said specifically that 3685 requires welding to use the adapter. Can anyone confirm this for me? It's looking like the only radiator available in the states until the end of August for our 110 is the one that requires the adapter, and I'd sure like to know if it's realisticly useable for us or if we should wait... Maybe someone might have something to share regarding this... Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 From bens Fri Jul 19 15:53:15 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6JJrFb27610 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 19 Jul 2002 15:53:15 -0400 Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 15:53:15 -0400 Message-Id: <200207191953.g6JJrF127606@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Stirling Anderson To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: diff between ESR204 & ESR3685?? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I have no idea about the difference, the only coil sprung Land Rover I've ridden in is a 130, however, I've got nothing to do at work right now, so I looked around some, Rovers Down South has the ESR3685 Rad for $460. http://www.europartsltd.com/eurodef.htm in Florida has the ESR204 listed for $379 OEM, but I called them to see if they have it in stock and he told me it was $479 but does have it there. That's the best I can do, hope it helps a little. Stirling --- Jason Pipes wrote: > Does anyone know the true difference between the > radiators listed as ESR204 > and ESR3685 (3685 used to be 1678...) for the > D110/90? > Maybe someone might have something to share > regarding this... > > Jason Pipes > jpipes@feldgrau.com > www.feldgrau.com > > 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com From bens Fri Jul 19 18:10:56 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6JMAuB28333 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 19 Jul 2002 18:10:56 -0400 Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 18:10:56 -0400 Message-Id: <200207192210.g6JMAuZ28329@minbar.fourfold.org> From: john hess To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: diff between ESR204 & ESR3685?? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Jason, Have you called every shop in SF? Are you sure you need new tanks? Seems to me that somewhere in the city you should be able to find someone to fix your existing rad and make it even better than new. It's finding that person that can be hard, since good folks get recommended and are always busy. If nobody has specific recommendations in SF, you could call Rootes Group Depot in Redwood City and ask Paul(?sorry) who he can recommend for radiator work. good luck, john hess, Davis, California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Dormie web pages at http://dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/startpoint.html From bens Fri Jul 19 18:24:57 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6JMOvg28397 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 19 Jul 2002 18:24:57 -0400 Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 18:24:57 -0400 Message-Id: <200207192224.g6JMOva28393@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: diff between ESR204 & ESR3685?? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org John, not only have I called most places in SF, I actually took it to the two that were most recommended. Both of them said I was SOL, and needed a full rebuild, at a cost over 600!?! For that, I could get a brand new one delieverd, IF there was one somewhere in the US. Every LR dealer I called is out, the LRNA parts warehouse is out, and every retailer I called is out. My only hope is Europarts Limited, as posted in one of the messages above. They seem to claim they can send me one Monday! I'm really hoping it's for real (they have to check their warehouse too) so we shall see. Big Sky Rovers also has one, but it's off a rolled NAS 110 and is about as expensive as a new one as well. My hope was to rectify this all before we lead the NCRC trip next week Thur, but I'm not sure what's going to happen. Doesn't something like this always have to crop up at the last minute!! btw, John, do you think you might be joining the trip? jpipes > >Jason, > >Have you called every shop in SF? Are you sure you need new tanks? Seems >to me that somewhere in the city you should be able to find someone to fix >your existing rad and make it even better than new. It's finding that >person that can be hard, since good folks get recommended and are always >busy. > [ 10 additional quoted lines pruned. ] -- Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 From bens Fri Jul 19 22:05:42 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6K25gk29460 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 19 Jul 2002 22:05:42 -0400 Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 22:05:41 -0400 Message-Id: <200207200205.g6K25fT29456@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: diff between ESR204 & ESR3685?? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org At 03:24 PM 7/19/2002, you wrote: >. Big Sky Rovers also >has one, but it's off a rolled NAS 110 and is about as expensive as a new >one as well. Ha Ha! If it's from Big Sky, it will no doubt have bullet holes in it and he will tell you it's like new. Bob B From bens Fri Jul 19 23:29:02 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6K3T2v29770 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 19 Jul 2002 23:29:02 -0400 Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 23:29:01 -0400 Message-Id: <200207200329.g6K3T1w29761@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kevin Kelly" To: "Mendo List" Subject: NY Land Rovers Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I was in NY for a business trip early this week and saw nothing but a few late model RRs and Discos in Manhattan. I took a day off work yesterday and drove out Long Island with a friend who has a summer place in Hampton Bays. Hampton Bays is a normal beach city and kind of reminded me of Stinson Beach and I saw a lot of Range Rover Classcis and Discos. When we drove up to Southampton I was blown away at the amazing display of wealth. There are guest houses in Southampton bigger than the nicest beach house in Seadrift. The Sotheby's Real Estate office had a photo of a nice little 55,000 square foot "beach house" that is on the market with the "price upon request" but they did list the price of the smaller 7,000 to 10,000 square foot Southampton "starter homes" (not actually on the beach) that ranged from $6 to $13 million. In Southampton I saw about a half dozen D90s (all white or yellow) and I lost count of the Range Rover MkIIs. I only saw two new Range Rovers but I saw close to a dozen late model G-Wagons and over a dozen of the new SLs (it looks like the Mercedes sponsorship of the Hamptons polo matches is paying off). In the Southampton Beach Club parking lot there were three G-Wagons and I got to compare a late model Europa model with the nicer factory model parked next to it. Kevin P.S. The headlights on the new NAS G-Wagon are very cool looking and seem like they would fit a Range Rover Classic... From bens Fri Jul 19 23:29:02 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6K3T2p29771 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 19 Jul 2002 23:29:02 -0400 Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 23:29:01 -0400 Message-Id: <200207200329.g6K3T1829763@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kevin Kelly" To: "Mendo List" Subject: H4 Bulbs Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Joe wrote: >Anyone experienced with high wattage H4 bulbs? >I've been using the JC Whitney cheepy 80/100W >traditional halogens but even with big wires, relays, >etc. the filaments seem to break about once a year. I have tried many brands of 80/100W H4 bulbs but now I'm back to using Hella Brand 55W/65W bulbs since I don't notice that much difference in light with the higher wattage bulbs and they never last even close to year (the Hella 55/65s last 5 times as long on average). I had a guy on the BMW list send me a great technical e-mail about why higher wattage bulbs don't last as long but I can't find it. The one bulb I would stay away from is Narva since even their low wattage bulbs don't seem to last that long. Kevin From bens Sat Jul 20 01:19:02 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6K5J2D31535 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 20 Jul 2002 01:19:02 -0400 Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 01:19:02 -0400 Message-Id: <200207200519.g6K5J2B31531@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: HELP! I need a radiator!! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- Jason Pipes wrote: > > So, we're having some serious problems with trying to get > our radiator fixed > AND with trying to find a new one. > > We took our current radiator in to the only two shops > in/near SF, and both > said it needed to be re-cored. The second place we went > to at first said 55 [ 9 additional quoted lines pruned. ] Jason, What exactly did they day when they looked at it? I think you may be falling victem of the modern business world!!!! Seriosly, I think I may have warned you about this when i mentioned to looka round for a shop that can repair it. I have a feeling that you can take it to one of the shops here in the south bay and they will take care of you for around $130.00 Why did they say it couldn't be rodded out? what did they say about blocking off the bad tube? why did they say it had bad tanks? etc.. I think you are being screwed!!!!! It has been common practice to do the bad tube block-off since the early days, and there is nothing wrong with it!!!! I'm guessing that is the main reason why they say it is dead?? or.... what else?? Radiatorland for one will give you satisfaction. I'm sure someone on the list can help you getting it down here, if not, I can probably help. Sterling and I both have the highest praises for the radiatorland on De La Cruz by the SJO airport, they have done us good...and fairly cheaply too. I'm purty sure they are open on Saturdays! Paul 510-657-9637 or if the computer is on cell 408-313-1289 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From bens Sat Jul 20 02:44:28 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6K6iSJ32175 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 20 Jul 2002 02:44:28 -0400 Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 02:44:28 -0400 Message-Id: <200207200644.g6K6iSC32171@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Stirling Anderson To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: HELP! I need a radiator!! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- Paul Archibald wrote: > Stirling and I both have the highest praises for the > radiatorland on De La Cruz by the SJO airport, they > have > done us good...and fairly cheaply too. > I'm purty sure they are open on Saturdays! Of course, a radiator coring and replacment of a leaky petcock is always cheap when it's a birthday present... but yeah. :) They are open on Saturdays, I took mine in on Saturday, and picked it up on a saturday (only because that's the only time I could, they finished it on Tuesday). They've got a website: http://www.radiatorland.com The way I figured it, is if they have the know-how and skill to make you a custom radiator, they can fix one just as well. Anyhow, they'll be my radiator shop whenever I need something. Also, hope to take my old gas tank there to get restored because they do that as well. Best luck with it Jason, it's worth a shot, just in case Europarts actually doesn't have it in stock. Stirling __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From bens Sat Jul 20 14:34:25 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6KIYP202550 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 20 Jul 2002 14:34:25 -0400 Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 14:34:25 -0400 Message-Id: <200207201834.g6KIYPU02546@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Daniel Oppenheim" To: Subject: Great Land Rover site Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; ] [ 32 lines filtered. ] charset="iso-8859-1" I'm off to another stamp show, looking for that elusive Niuafo'ou = (Tonga) Land Rover issue from 1988.=20 I wanted the list to know of a super site, for all kinds of weird land = rover info.... http://www.regiments.org/special/rover/index.htm Check it out, says Joe Bob.. Hope you are having a great weekend.. Cheers, Daniel From bens Sat Jul 20 16:27:23 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6KKRN703093 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 20 Jul 2002 16:27:23 -0400 Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 16:27:23 -0400 Message-Id: <200207202027.g6KKRNF03089@minbar.fourfold.org> From: joe mulqueen To: mendo Subject: re. HELP! I need a radiator!! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Jason, Get away from SF! That shop saw you coming. Go to a more "working class" neighborhood and you'll find someone who can work with what you have. If you want a new core, it can be found. If you have metal tanks that were holding typical coolant, it's nearly impossible to believe they couldn't be reused. Pay the guy off and go elsewhere. Joe Mulqueen [who just found an old radiator for his 1960 Austin Healey project - will ditch the core but keep the tanks!] Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 13:42:19 -0400 From: Jason Pipes Subject: HELP! I need a radiator!! So, we're having some serious problems with trying to get our radiator fixed AND with trying to find a new one. We took our current radiator in to the only two shops in/near SF, and both said it needed to be re-cored. The second place we went to at first said 55 bucks to rod out and fix the minor leak, but they called us back shortly after and said nope, it needed a re-core, 300 please. What's more, they called this morning and now they're saying it needs new tanks as well, another 250, so basically their putting the cost at MORE than a brand new genuine radiator. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From bens Sat Jul 20 16:50:50 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6KKoo903221 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 20 Jul 2002 16:50:50 -0400 Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 16:50:50 -0400 Message-Id: <200207202050.g6KKooU03217@minbar.fourfold.org> From: joe mulqueen To: mendo Subject: re. Article on Boxer Bill and Trail 10N13 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org The Caples Lake Area shown in the map is the EXACT locaction for 10N13 that took the white "one eyed" Disco and my 109 SW from 88 northward to 50 after last week's Blue Lakes trip. A great trail with scenary that should not be missed (or lost!). A few areas required careful spotting but I was fortunate to have no body contact. I think 8-10 trucks could run the trail in 5 hrs or make an overnighter out of it and spend the extra time coaching and reviewing trail tricks and spotting. Now going from north to south could be another story...... Joe Mulqueen '67 SIIA 109 SW Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 13:33:44 -0400 From: Jason Pipes Subject: Article on Boxer Bill on sfgate Here's an article about mountain bikers trying to fight the Barbara Boxer Wilderness Bill. http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2002/07/19/BA174630.DTL __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From bens Sat Jul 20 19:08:34 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6KN8Y803975 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 20 Jul 2002 19:08:34 -0400 Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 19:08:34 -0400 Message-Id: <200207202308.g6KN8YA03971@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: Mendo Subject: yet another dead bsttery......again... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Arrrgh! The Light Brigade has managed to kill off yet another battery!! ;-( That makes four optimas and one or two conventional batteries in the last three years... I remember that talking with tom, we had decided the battery isloator may be the culprit, and I'd swear that I'd bypassed it, but this morning, I looked, and it's still attached........ so I disconnected the battery, than disconnected and removed the isolator and the cables back and fourth, changing the cabling back to stock configuration. I charged the battery up as much as it will take, but it's barely over twelve volts, and after starting a few times it's at 11v ;-( THe good thing is that now the tach turns on immediately on start instead of having to rev over 2500 rpm to spike the alt to get it charging...as I took out the isolator, I found the connections to be extremely corroded/rusted and guess that was the culprit. Hopefully I will not be buying any more batteries for a while after I scrape the cash together to get a new one as soon as I can.. moral of the story is apparently to confirm the oxidation on all and every connection in the power circuit. Paul . __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From bens Sat Jul 20 20:25:24 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6L0POl04283 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 20 Jul 2002 20:25:24 -0400 Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 20:25:23 -0400 Message-Id: <200207210025.g6L0PNV04279@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Alan & Catherine Logue" To: Subject: Re: yet another dead bsttery......again... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I killed an Optima in my Disco which was fitted with an electronic isolator. The optima was so overcharged that the top plate had "waves" in it!!!!! After testing everything we found the isolator was overcharging the optima, and charging the number 2 battery (non optima) correctly. The optima guy replaced the optima at N/C as a good will gesture as he had not tested the isolator when he sold me the original battery, so I bought a yellow top off him to use as the number 2 battery. He's now very happy because the 2 batteries are the same internal resistance, and the electronic isolator is no longer needed. He gave me a heavy duty Hella isolator switch and told me to use that instead, and I just need to remember to manually isolate the yellow top when camping overnight. It has worked great in the last 8 months, and I certainly cannot complain about the service. Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Archibald" To: "Mendo" Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2002 8:38 AM Subject: yet another dead bsttery......again... > > Arrrgh! > The Light Brigade has managed to kill off yet another > battery!! ;-( > That makes four optimas and one or two conventional > batteries in the last three years... > > I remember that talking with tom, we had decided the > battery isloator may be the culprit, and I'd swear that I'd [ 25 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Sat Jul 20 21:40:53 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6L1erX04599 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 20 Jul 2002 21:40:53 -0400 Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 21:40:53 -0400 Message-Id: <200207210140.g6L1erC04595@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: yet another dead bsttery......again... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- Alan & Catherine Logue wrote: > > I killed an Optima in my Disco which was fitted with an > electronic isolator. > The optima was so overcharged that the top plate had > "waves" in it!!!!! > After testing everything we found the isolator was > overcharging the optima, > and charging the number 2 battery (non optima) correctly. > The optima guy [ 5 additional quoted lines pruned. ] Interesting....When there is funding, I'll likely do the same, but for now, I think I will ju8st have to take teh battery out of another vehicle untill than... I had heard that there were possible issues with two different batteries. Origionally it had a red-top as #1 ande blue-top as #2....both ended up dying from sitting w/o much use, I think? I than put a red-top in #1 and left #2 empty....twice so far....and now the regular one I took out of Elgie is apparently only holding about 12 volts after charging all day. ;-( I am wondering if the isolator causes problems if you do not have a #2 installed?? > He's now very happy because the 2 batteries are the same > internal > resistance, and the electronic isolator is no longer > needed. He gave me a > heavy duty Hella isolator switch and told me to use that > instead, and I just > need to remember to manually isolate the yellow top when > camping overnight. ????? Not sure how this works...what do you mean? so the fridge and accessories are isolated from the main harness? (that is what I want to do..) do you hae to disconnect #2 battery lead at the isolator? Paul(scratching head...) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Archibald" > To: "Mendo" > Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2002 8:38 AM > Subject: yet another dead bsttery......again... > > > > > > Arrrgh! [ 10 additional quoted lines pruned. ] __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From bens Sun Jul 21 00:44:11 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6L4iBR06992 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 21 Jul 2002 00:44:11 -0400 Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 00:44:11 -0400 Message-Id: <200207210444.g6L4iB906988@minbar.fourfold.org> From: joe mulqueen To: mendo Subject: larger dia series exhaust? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hello, My current exhaust pipe is looking pretty tattered so I’m considering stock replacement vs a locally made system. Other than theorists who feel anything larger than the stock, small dia LR pipes will decrease low end torque, has anyone installed a larger dia exhaust system? Not a header – just the pipes. Are you satisfied? Did you stay with the stock routing near the front of the system? Thanks, Joe Mulqueen ’67 SIIA 109 SW 2.25L __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From bens Sun Jul 21 11:39:03 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6LFd3M09564 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 21 Jul 2002 11:39:03 -0400 Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 11:39:02 -0400 Message-Id: <200207211539.g6LFd2t09560@minbar.fourfold.org> From: john hess To: lro@koan.team.net Cc: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: need series 2 tranny parts? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hiya, I replaced the original series 2 tranny in our little 88 PU with a new one from British Pacific that is coupled to a high ratio transfer case. With the newly rebuilt engine, it's a great combo in town and should be the same off road. I have the original tranny in a wheel barrow and will probably dump it in the scrap metal recycling bin soon. I might try to remove the cases and sell them as Al, but before I do this, does any one want/need parts? I'm in Davis, Cal. cheers, John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Land Rover Dormobile web pages: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby" 1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" 1999 Bianchi Milano, 2001 Bianchi Pista 2002 Meridian Attache Softride Tandem From bens Sun Jul 21 16:09:49 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6LK9nm10742 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 21 Jul 2002 16:09:49 -0400 Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 16:09:49 -0400 Message-Id: <200207212009.g6LK9n710738@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Jason Pipes" To: Cc: , , Subject: List of attendees for Nevada Desert Trip Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org The following people have RSVPd or mentioned interest in attending the Nevada Desert Trip which runs this coming Fri, Sat and Sun. If your name is missing and/or you'd like to attend, give us a shout ASAP! Leading: Jason Pipes and Petra Esterle - D110 (hopefully) RSVPd: Rich Luzzi - D90 Jon and Emily Turner - D110 Paul Snowdon - DII Charles Chuan-Chen Phu - DII Eric Johnson - RR Eric Schoenman - RR Armando Nieto - DI Chris De Jesus - DI Casey McMullen - SIII 88 Joe Mulqueen - SII 109 Maybe: Eduardo and Casey (?) - DI John Hess - Dormie Bruce Bonar - D90 Mehdi Saghafi - SII 88 Keith Shukait - XD Disco Taylor Pipes - DI Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com From bens Sun Jul 21 21:40:37 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6M1ebH12005 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 21 Jul 2002 21:40:37 -0400 Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 21:40:37 -0400 Message-Id: <200207220140.g6M1ebc11999@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "mpatrykus" To: Subject: Sighting- For Sale! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I happened upon a Series III 109 this weekend. It's a 3 door, LHD, Limestone, full length HT with fixed side windows and rear door, not tailgate/liftgate. It's equipped with MAP locking hubs, and a capstan winch. No OD. The most interesting this is under the hood. It had a Rover Six with Stromberg carb. The trcuk is at a garage in Redondo Beach. The proprietor says the 109's owner is looking to sell, somewhere in the $8k range. I didn't look at the frame, but the truck is pretty clean, unmolested and un-SPOTted. It has been on its side once- there's a dent in the front L corner of the roof and the sills and tub just aft of the driver's door are a bit wavy. No cracks or tears in the metal. Minor damage really. Anyway if anyone is curious the place is called Simon's Auto Service, 1600 Aviation Blvd, Redondo Beach, (310) 318-1315. Simon is pretty cool but he does not know Rovers at all. (He was working on a carb rebuild and clutch MC.) I guess the owner is not really too savvy either and has no time to mess with it. Mo ------------------------------------------- Introducing NetZero Long Distance Unlimited Long Distance only $29.95/ month! Sign Up Today! www.netzerolongdistance.com From bens Sun Jul 21 23:17:38 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6M3Hcl12437 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 21 Jul 2002 23:17:38 -0400 Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 23:17:38 -0400 Message-Id: <200207220317.g6M3Hch12433@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Jason Pipes" To: Cc: , , Subject: Nevada Desert Trip - the final details (long!) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; ] [ 599 lines filtered. ] charset="iso-8859-1" This message covers in great detail the specifics of the NCRC Nevada Desert Trip July 26, 27 and 28, 2002. You will find in this message the following sections: a.. Event Specifics b.. Event Description c.. Highlights d.. Free Stuff and Trip Sponsors e.. Total Distance f.. Route Overview g.. Gas h.. Required Supplies i.. Trip Communication j.. Convoying to Event k.. Suggested Accommodations Thur Night l.. Late Comers m.. Pyramid Lake Day Use Passes n.. Camping, Fire and other Basic Regulations o.. Projected Weather p.. Select GPS coords q.. Attendees r.. Maps Used s.. Additional Reading t.. Is This Overkill? Event Specifics: Nevada Desert Trip - A tour of the Black Rock Country of NW Nevada. Friday, Saturday and Sunday July 26, 27 and 28, 2002. Hosts Jason Pipes and Petra Esterle - jpipes@feldgrau.com or 415-341-8868. Meeting at 8:00am sharp, Friday July 26. Days Inn parking lot, 701 E. 7th St, Reno, NV 89512 Map of meeting location - http://www.daysinn.com/DaysInn/control/Booking/map?sid=&p_brand=DI&pid=06565 &MQZoom=5 Event Description: This event can be classified as a trail ride suitable for all vehicles and all driving abilities, with the following caveats. As with any event there will be sections that will require careful attention and patience. There will be a few steep rocky hill climbs and miles of rocky trail sections where more aggressive tires will help but aren't required. There will also be lots of dust and some precariously close cliffs and wash-outs. Our crossing of the Black Rock Desert may be dangerous due to oncoming high speed traffic under possibly near white-out conditions. Flat tires, failed hill climbs, or rolls down steep cliffs are all possible if something goes horribly wrong. The possible extreme weather conditions and remote nature of our route will also add an extra dimension. That being said, we have no doubts that everyone in every type of vehicle will find this trip suitable, exciting and very rewarding. Depending on the routes we take and the time and distance we make (all of which will vary depending on total number of vehicles, our comfortable moving speed, number of stops along the way, the heat, breakdowns, wind and dust conditions, etc) our camping locations may be less than ideal. We've scouted a number of great locations but if for some reason we can't make it to them on any given night be prepared to sleep either in/on your truck or in an area that may be a little more rocky than we are generally use to camping in. This event will take a group of Land Rovers on a route to circumnavigate the remote northwestern desert region of Nevada. From Reno we plan to travel to Sutcliffe on the western shore of Pyramid Lake, around the lake's northern shore, through Emerson Pass, overland across the Smoke Creek Desert to Gerlach, across the Black Rock Desert, through the Calico Mountains to High Rock Lake, through High Rock Canyon to Vya, down to Leadville, through the Granite Mountains, back across the western side of the Smoke Creek Desert, through Sand Pass, back to Sutcliffe, and finally return to Reno. Highlights: Particular highlights for this trip may include spotting wild horses, burros, elk, antelope and bighorn sheep. We may visit prehistoric and historic cultural locations including Native American archaeological sites, emigrant trails, ghost towns, and mines. We'll see the vast, open, expansive desert, mountain meadows, stunning vistas, and dozens of amazing geologic formations. Free Stuff and Trip Sponsors: We've gathered a great deal of hand-outs and maps from the USGS and BLM to give away, and British Pacific and ARB have also agreed to partially sponsor this NCRC event! Both companies have sent us many great items to give away during our trip including clothing, videos, magazines, expedition gear, and gift certificates. Total Distance: >From the San Francisco Bay Area and back the route will approach 800 miles. >From San Francisco to Reno it is close to 175 miles. From Reno to the farthest point of our off-road route and back it is about 350 miles. Most people will travel about 800 miles roundtrip, nearly half of which will be off-highway. Route Overview: http://www.norcalrover.org/NCRC_Nevada_Desert.jpg Gas: On this trip gas can be most closely found in the Reno and Sparks area (many), at Suttcliffe (one small), and at Gerlach (one very small, no premium). It is 100+ miles between Reno and Gerlach, and we'll be over 100 miles beyond Gerlach driving long distances on off-road routes which tend to use up more gas. Ten gallons of spare fuel is suggested, if not more. When we tank up sometime during lunch on the afternoon of July 26 in Gerlach, keep in mind that the service there has basically one pump and no premium fuel. Brining along your own octane boost is not a bad idea if you pay attention to that sort of thing. Required Supplies: Aside from all the normal camping equipment, recovery gear, food, tools and parts you might normally bring, be extra sure to have the following for this trip. a.. At least 1 gallon of drinking water per person, per day. b.. At least 10 gallons of fuel (we have spare cans if needed) c.. A CB radio or, at the very least, an FRS radio. d.. A HAM radio if you have one. e.. Two full containers of (preferably mixed) coolant. f.. Two containers of oil. g.. Octane boost if you require high octane gas (none in region) h.. A flat tire patch/repair kit (found in most hardware/auto stores) i.. A spare air filter. j.. A medical kit of some sort. k.. Sun block! l.. Be prepared for cold at night. Trip Communication: Use CB channel 7, HAM freq 146.5, FRS station 7 at all times. Convoying to Event: There are no particular convoys arranged as of this time although groups will likely come together informally to plan convoys via the mendo_recce email list shortly prior to Thursday July 25. Jason and Petra will hopefully be leaving the Bay Area on Thursday afternoon or early evening. Call or email to make specific arrangements if you'd like to convoy to the starting point with other vehicles. Suggested Accommodations Thur Night: Thursday night only (self serve) Days Inn Reno, http://www.the.daysinn.com/reno06565 or phone 775-786-4070, fax 775-329-4338. Jason and Petra will be staying in this Days Inn Reno on Thursday night and the group will be starting the trip from this location as well. We found this motel to be friendly, clean, cheap and easy to find. There is gas and food near by. Some parts of Reno aren't so appealing at night and this motel seems particularly safe. It's an ideal place to stay and start the trip Friday morning. Please call ahead and make reservations as required, although I don't believe under any circumstances that they won't have rooms available when you arrive should you choose to stay here. Late Comers: If you get lost or are late to show up we'll be leaving Reno at 8am sharp Friday morning July 26. We'll be stopping in Sutcliffe at Pyramid Lake to get day use passes shortly after and we'll likely be there for at least 30 minutes. We'll be on CB channel 7, FRS station 7 and HAM frequency 145.5. Sutcliffe is about 27 miles north of Reno on Hwy 445. Pyramid Lake Day Use Passes: There is a requirement that we all get day use passes from the ranger station in Sutcliffe on Friday morning before crossing over the northern section of Pyramid Lake. These day use passes cost 5 USD per vehicle. We will all be stopping to get these shortly after leaving Reno. Camping, Fire and other Basic Regulations: Tent camping, camp fires, rock hounding, rock climbing, nature study, backpacking and driving on designated routes are all allowed in the Wilderness Areas we'll be traveling in without any special permits or fees. In Wilderness Areas, only dead or downed firewood may be gathered. Chainsaws are not allowed to be used in Wilderness Areas. Projected Weather: For all weather projections for the region please see the following two excellent sites: http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/cgi-bin/wrhq/TotalForecast.csh?TotalForecast+WR+NV+0 04+027 http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/Reno/index.shtml Select GPS Coords: Sutcliffe: 39.96523 N 119.61821 W Emerson Pass: 40.31783 N 119.65672 W Gerlach's gas station: 40.65407 N 119.35148 W Attendees thus Far: Jason Pipes and Petra Esterle - D110 Jon and Emily Turner - D110 Paul Snowdon - DII Charles Chuan-Chen Phu - DII Keith Shukait - XD Disco Eric Johnson - RR Eric Schoenman - RR Armando Nieto - DI Chris De Jesus - DI Casey McMullen - SIII 88 Joe Mulqueen - SII 109 Gary Rogers - DII John Hess - Dormie (maybe) Bruce Bonar - D90 (maybe) Mehdi Saghafi - SII 88 (maybe) Eduardo and Casey - DI (maybe) Maps Used: USGS Nevada Index to topographic map coverage For all USGS 7.5 minute (1:24,000) Series - National Geographic/USGS Nevada topographic cdrom collection USGS 30x60 Minute (1:100,000) Series - Reno USGS 30x60 Minute (1:100,000) Series - Kumiva Peak USGS 30x60 Minute (1:100,000) Series - Gerlach USGS 30x60 Minute (1:100,000) Series - High Rock Canyon USGS 30x60 Minute (1:100,000) Series - Vya USGS 1x2 Degree (1:250,000) Series - Reno USGS 1x2 Degree (1:250,000) Series - Lovelock USGS 1x2 Degree (1:250,000) Series - Vya BLM Surface Management Status 30x60 Minute (1:100,000) Series - Reno BLM Surface Management Status 30x60 Minute (1:100,000) Series - Kumiva Peak BLM Surface Management Status 30x60 Minute (1:100,000) Series - Gerlach BLM Surface Management Status 30x60 Minute (1:100,000) Series - High Rock Canyon BLM Surface Management Status 30x60 Minute (1:100,000) Series - Vya BLM Black Rock Desert-High Rock Canyon-Emigrant Trails National Conservation Area overview maps Delorme Nevada Atlas and Gazetteer Nevada Ghost Towns and Mining Camps Atlas, 2001, by Stanley Paher Nevada Map Atlas, 4th edition, NV DOT cartography section Additional Reading: Nevada's Northwest Corner - The Black Rock Country of Northern Humboldt, Pershing and Washoe Counties, 1996, by Raymond Smith Travels: In the Nevada Outback, 1993, Raymond Smith Nevada's Black Rock Desert, 1994 by Sessions Wheeler The Desert Lake, 2001, by Sessions Wheeler The Nevada Desert, 1989, by Sessions Wheeler Desert Challenge - An Interpretation of Nevada, 1942, by Richard Lillard Nevada Ghost Towns and Mining Camps, 2001, by Stanley Paher Nevada Ghost Towns and Mining Camps Atlas, 2001, by Stanley Paher The Black Rock Desert Landscape, BLM pamphlet, edited Mike Bilbo The Black Rock Desert and Playa: Visitor Info on Natural and Cultural History, BLM pamphlet Is This Overkill? No! A well planned trip to the desert for 10-15 vehicles in the middle of July is a good thing... Plus if you ever want to do such a trip again you'll have every resource to do so effectively. See you all soon! From bens Sun Jul 21 23:23:28 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6M3NSv12474 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 21 Jul 2002 23:23:28 -0400 Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 23:23:28 -0400 Message-Id: <200207220323.g6M3NS712470@minbar.fourfold.org> From: BSharp4601@aol.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: larger dia series exhaust? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset="UTF-8" ] [ 52 lines filtered. ] Content-Language: en In a message dated 7/21/2002 6:41:32 PM US Mountain Standard Time,=20 owner-mendo_recce-digest@fourfold.org writes: > Other than theorists who feel anything larger than the > stock, small dia LR pipes will decrease low end > torque, has anyone installed a larger dia exhaust > system? Not a header =E2=80=93 just the pipes. Are you > satisfied? Did you stay with the stock routing near > the front of the system? >=20 My early IIa 88 has an ACR cylinder head / SU conversion (not their cam=20 though) and I've tried running the truck with and without the Peco free flow= =20 exhaust that came with the conversion. The Peco is just the rear, flow=20 through exhaust, the pipe from the exhaust manifold to the rear is stock, pe= r=20 ACR's recommendations. With the Peco there is more top end, but definitely=20 less torque at the bottom end. This is seat of the pants testing, got no=20 stinkin' dynos to verify with. I've switched back to the stock exhaust and=20 regained the torque at the low end. The truck has a freshly rebuilt BP=20 engine, running 7.50 x 16s. The drop in torque was really noticeable with=20 the higher temps and lower air density in the summer heat (Sonoran Desert).=20= =20 I might switch back during the winter months when the temps cool down, just=20 for kicks. Now, ask me how I like the ACR head with a properly tuned Rochester on my=20 109... Better, actually! The accelerator pump really helps it get up and go,=20 compared to the HS6 SU. Better combo for a Land Rover that's going to do=20 some work, IMHO. YMMV, Bob Sharp Tucson, AZ The slumbering herd on the Rover Ranch: 52 Series I 80" 53 Series I 80" 60 Series II 88" 63 Series IIa 88" 71 Series IIa 109" 96 Discovery Series I=20 "Why is it that every project you complete on a Land Rover results in=20 knowledge and skills you hope you never need to use again?" From bens Mon Jul 22 10:01:58 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6ME1w216737 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 10:01:58 -0400 Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 10:01:57 -0400 Message-Id: <200207221401.g6ME1v116733@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: diff between ESR204 & ESR3685?? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org The guy that could certainly answer this question is Charlie Haigh at Landrover Flatirons in Boulder. Some of you remember when Charlie was at RN, and you used to be able to depend on things they told you....oops, I digress. Charlie has built D90s and 110s himself, and forgotten more about LR parts interchangeability than any 10 of us will ever know. Heck, I wouldn't doubt he HAS a spare radiator lying around that he might send you if you agreed to replace it some time. Call him at 303-785-8500 and ask for Charlie in parts. -Dave G. From bens Mon Jul 22 10:14:45 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6MEEjm16802 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 10:14:45 -0400 Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 10:14:44 -0400 Message-Id: <200207221414.g6MEEia16798@minbar.fourfold.org> From: john hess To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: sighting Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hiya, Red topless D90, #1251 on 80 going west yesterday afternoon, 3PM. Young male driver. As I looked at the truck, I wondered are there any red d90s in the club? cheers, John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Land Rover Dormobile web pages: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby" 1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" 1999 Bianchi Milano, 2001 Bianchi Pista 2002 Meridian Attache Softride Tandem From bens Mon Jul 22 12:35:41 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6MGZfR17986 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 12:35:41 -0400 Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 12:35:41 -0400 Message-Id: <200207221635.g6MGZf417982@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: sighting Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- john hess wrote: > > Hiya, > > Red topless D90, #1251 on 80 going west yesterday > afternoon, 3PM. > Young male driver. As I looked at the truck, I wondered > are there > any red d90s in the club? funny you mentioned that. I havn't seen or heard of one on mendo since that guy with the '94 D90 who moved to montana? in the early days of Mendo....remember him? ;-) I have seen a red D-90 in Santa Clara a few times. Talked to the guy at Costco a few years ago, and tried to give him Mendo/NCRC info, but he had no interest in us..was boasting of all the places he goes all by himself...he loved his rig! John, we need a red D-90 in NCRC/Mendo.....I nominate you to go buy one! ;-) Paul __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From bens Mon Jul 22 12:46:58 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6MGkwT18083 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 12:46:58 -0400 Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 12:46:58 -0400 Message-Id: <200207221646.g6MGkwD18079@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: sighting Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I think Chuck Henry's old red D90 with the pickup cab and Badger tone is still owned by friends of the Dows. Not sure if they're club types or not though. -Dave G. From bens Mon Jul 22 12:48:03 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6MGm3r18106 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 12:48:03 -0400 Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 12:48:03 -0400 Message-Id: <200207221648.g6MGm3f18102@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: sighting Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Oops...that was supposed to be Badger Toneau (cover). Danged spell checkers.... -Dave G. From bens Mon Jul 22 13:01:45 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6MH1jS18354 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 13:01:45 -0400 Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 13:01:45 -0400 Message-Id: <200207221701.g6MH1jv18350@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: sighting Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- "Gomes, David" wrote: > > I think Chuck Henry's old red D90 with the pickup cab and > Badger tone is > still owned by friends of the Dows. Not sure if they're > club types or not > though. oh yeah! I forgot about that one! Have yet to see it around here though. Leslie? Chris? do they still have it? I have a funny feeling it' just a trail rig now, and they go out with their own friends...don't need other rovers along when you have friends you have wheeled with for years I guess? Paul __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From bens Mon Jul 22 13:36:18 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6MHaIC18759 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 13:36:18 -0400 Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 13:36:18 -0400 Message-Id: <200207221736.g6MHaI918755@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Spencer Knight" To: Subject: Engine replacement Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi, So we separated the transmission from the engine on Sunday without a hitch, and cleaned it up and got it ready to re-install in the engine. We also began transferring some components from the old edgine to the new engine. A few things have me nervous: 1. Still can't get the viscous fan off of the front of this thing, anybody have the tool that holds the pulley still which I could borrow for a day? 2. Some of the connections are a little different from the existing 96 rr 4.0 engine and the new 97 disco 4.0 engine, for example the fuel connection at the fuel rail. Will this pose a problem? Should I be switching out the fuel rail, etc.? 3. Still unsure about putting in the tranny first. Seems like an obvious thing to do, however, the engine is suspiciously close to the bulkhead. Can one really get the bolts back in to the bell housing with the engine in place? That's it for now. Thanks for the feedback. Spencer From bens Mon Jul 22 13:40:17 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6MHeHt18794 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 13:40:17 -0400 Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 13:40:17 -0400 Message-Id: <200207221740.g6MHeHn18790@minbar.fourfold.org> From: john hess To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: sighting Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Thanks, but I'm torn. Stubby is getting done and should be great when done and I am still lusting after a new Mini Cooper S in Electric Blue with white roof, mirrors and wheels. Sport package, no premium package, Heated seats would be nice (see, I have been thinking about it.) So, the Mini would seem to be ahead of a D90 in my life. Plus, I like yellow white and green before red. cheers, PS. The metal collar in the frame bushing of a series 2 is 2 pieces, that don't meet in the middle. I got one out and need a longer air chisel tool to finish off the second half. This truly is a crappy job, totally unlike the aggravatioin you might feel when trying to align the tranny output shaft and clutch disk when installing the engine or tranny. The answer to the poly bush predicament is that each kit does one spring. You need 2 fronts and 2 rears to do a truck. Each bag contains bushed for the springs and frames, which means I have spring end poly bushes extra since I'm not going to remove the new bushes in the ends of the springs. > John, we need a red D-90 in NCRC/Mendo.....I nominate you > to go buy one! ;-) > > Paul > john hess, Davis, California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Dormie web pages at http://dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/startpoint.html From bens Mon Jul 22 13:46:02 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6MHk2a18838 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 13:46:02 -0400 Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 13:46:01 -0400 Message-Id: <200207221746.g6MHk1o18834@minbar.fourfold.org> From: James Howard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Engine replacement Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org How much does the transmission weigh? I am going to have to pull mine soon. Spencer Knight wrote: > > Hi, > > So we separated the transmission from the engine on Sunday without a hitch, > and cleaned it up and got it ready to re-install in the engine. We also > began transferring some components from the old edgine to the new engine. A > few things have me nervous: > > 1. Still can't get the viscous fan off of the front of this thing, anybody [ 13 additional quoted lines pruned. ] -- James Howard Naval Research Lab Code 7215, NPOI Project RR14, Box 447 Lake Mary Road Flagstaff, AZ 86001 +1-928-773-4868 (voice) +1-928-779-9568 (fax) James.Howard@nrl.navy.mil -or- jhoward@sextans.lowell.edu From bens Mon Jul 22 14:17:37 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6MIHbv19349 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 14:17:37 -0400 Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 14:17:37 -0400 Message-Id: <200207221817.g6MIHb619345@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: sighting Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- john hess wrote: > > > Thanks, but I'm torn. Stubby is getting done and should > be great when > done and I am still lusting after a new Mini Cooper S in > Electric Blue > with white roof, mirrors and wheels. Sport package, no > premium > package, Heated seats would be nice (see, I have been [ 1 additional quoted lines pruned. ] hmmm! Yeah! makes sense..I'd be happy with one myself, but it's a waaay off. > So, the Mini would seem to be ahead of a D90 in my life. > Plus, I like > yellow white and green before red. I agree! > PS. The metal collar in the frame bushing of a series 2 > is 2 pieces, that > don't meet in the middle. I got one out and need a > longer air chisel tool > to finish off the second half ???? don't understand..the outer sleeve that is press-fit into the frame that you are chiseling out is two pieces with a space in the middle? I have never heard of or seen one like that...I can't see how it could be installed if it's like that as the first piece would bind as you get the second one near, and the rubber in between would compress, makig installation imposible..??????? > The answer to the poly bush predicament is that each kit > does one spring. that sucks, you'd think they'd pay attention when selling to you and tell you that? the second set is ont he way I suppose? ;-) Paul __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From bens Mon Jul 22 15:06:33 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6MJ6Xi19758 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 15:06:33 -0400 Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 15:06:33 -0400 Message-Id: <200207221906.g6MJ6Xa19754@minbar.fourfold.org> From: James Howard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: sighting Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org While I would love a new Mini, I need something with four doors. So on Saturday, we test drove a Subaru WRX. What a blast that car is to drive. Unfortunately, it is just a little out of our reach. The sales dude tried to tell us how good it was off-road too. Kelly & I laughed at him. Our quest for a four door car with a warranty and at least 1% of the character the SIII has continues. From bens Mon Jul 22 15:23:00 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6MJN0k19856 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 15:23:00 -0400 Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 15:23:00 -0400 Message-Id: <200207221923.g6MJN0319852@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: sighting Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- James Howard wrote: > > > While I would love a new Mini, I need something with four > doors. So on > Saturday, we test drove a Subaru WRX. What a blast that > car is to > drive. Unfortunately, it is just a little out of our > reach. The sales > dude tried to tell us how good it was off-road too. [ 2 additional quoted lines pruned. ] I guess he didn't see you drive up? ;-) Well....on the fire roads it's amazing!! Really! My brother has one out in Park City, and we tore around on the fire roads as fast as on highways...it held up great, absorbing bumps that my audi quattro didn't etc.. Purty cool especially if you get the wagon variant as you have room for carrying stuff....besides for the serious off-road, you'll take the rangie! ;-) Maybe try to find a year old one used for a bunch less and with the warranty? Paul Paul __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From bens Mon Jul 22 15:24:15 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6MJOF119883 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 15:24:15 -0400 Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 15:24:15 -0400 Message-Id: <200207221924.g6MJOFL19879@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Franklin H. Yap" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: New RR - DVD ad Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi all, Got a dvd ad for the new RR from LRNA in the mail this morning. Just briefly took a look. The part about the history of the RR looks to be interesting. Over the weekend I saw a copy of the July LROI mag. There was an off-road test comparison of the new RR and a D90. Apparently the new RR is pretty imnpressive. The RR won by a narrow margin, due to the ETC. I think the author said the D90 would win if it was equipped with the optional ETC. Frank From bens Mon Jul 22 15:59:13 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6MJxDf20177 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 15:59:13 -0400 Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 15:59:12 -0400 Message-Id: <200207221959.g6MJxCm20173@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: sighting Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "...Unfortunately, it [WRX] is just a little out of our reach...." Credit union here at work has one they re-po'd from a guy who got fired and couldn't make the payments. Used car of course, and it may be "tweaked" a bit as the PO was something of a ricky racer type. No outward signs of trouble except for the donut spare on the LF wheel. Word is they need 22 for it. It's black. Can look into it further if you want. It's been sitting here in the parking lot, no plates, for a couple months. -Dave G. From bens Mon Jul 22 16:30:42 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6MKUgW20412 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 16:30:42 -0400 Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 16:30:41 -0400 Message-Id: <200207222030.g6MKUfC20408@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jeff Rogers To: Mendo Recce List Subject: Re: New RR - DVD ad Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org on 7/22/02 12:24 PM, Franklin H. Yap at FHYap@earthlink.net wrote: > The RR won by a narrow margin, due to the ETC. Hmmm... From bens Mon Jul 22 23:13:55 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6N3DtH22469 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 23:13:55 -0400 Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 23:13:55 -0400 Message-Id: <200207230313.g6N3DtQ22465@minbar.fourfold.org> From: john hess To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: sighting Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Yup the bush is 2 pieces, one on each side, with a 1/2 inch gap in the middle. The rubber was pieces, so i don't know what it originally looked like. The old springs are going to scrap metal recycle in town. The urethane bushes were my fault. 2 bags (1 front, 1 rear) in one spot on the workbench, 2 more bags down below (1 front 1 rear.) BP got it right. cheers, > > PS. The metal collar in the frame bushing of a series 2 > > is 2 pieces, that > > don't meet in the middle. I got one out and need a > > longer air chisel tool > > to finish off the second half >???? don't understand..the outer sleeve that is press-fit >into the frame that you are chiseling out is two pieces >with a space in the middle? I have never heard of or seen >one like that...I can't see how it could be installed if [ 16 additional quoted lines pruned. ] John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Land Rover Dormobile web pages: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby" 1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" 1999 Bianchi Milano, 2001 Bianchi Pista 2002 Meridian Attache Softride Tandem From bens Tue Jul 23 00:48:23 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6N4mNh24374 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 00:48:23 -0400 Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 00:48:22 -0400 Message-Id: <200207230448.g6N4mMB24370@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Mitchell, Ben" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: re. Article on Boxer Bill and Trail 10N13 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 37 lines filtered. ] I'm having trouble getting to that article, but lest this detail isn't mentioned, I've got good news on this one. Boxer has been trying to cajole support from county boards of supervisors for her plan. As a part time resident in El Dorado county, I wrote to all of the supervisors, and received agreeable responses from three of them. The most recent showed up last week from Penny Humphreys and included a copy of a recently-passed resolution opposing Boxer's proposal, specifically citing the Meiss Meadows and Caples Creek areas. Clearly there are a lot of other voices in this debate, but getting the support of local government in the affected areas is certainly not a bad thing... -Ben From bens Tue Jul 23 01:32:16 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6N5WG224587 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 01:32:16 -0400 Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 01:32:16 -0400 Message-Id: <200207230532.g6N5WGU24583@minbar.fourfold.org> From: joe mulqueen To: mendo Subject: Re: larger dia series exhaust? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I ended up having a local shop make an entirely new system by copying the original and using 1.75" dia all the way back (instead of stock 1.5" after the muffler). I made them use use my stock hangers and kept bolted joints where they are for a 109 SW. End result should be only slightly freer breathing possibly evidenced by a bit louder sound at and off idle. But then again, the original had a nice mud layer baked on it... Joe Mulqueen '67 SIIA 109 SW (one step closer to being Nevada ready!) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com From bens Tue Jul 23 02:41:39 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6N6fdG24881 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 02:41:39 -0400 Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 02:41:39 -0400 Message-Id: <200207230641.g6N6fdh24877@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: HELP! I need a radiator!! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Jason, I had a radiator made for Gillian a few months ago, and it was made from a 4-row core that came from a forklift: cost @ $10.00 less than ordering a replacement from Paddocks! Unless you ran nothing but water in that radiator, & plugged every passage with stopleak, there shouldn't be any problem at all with having your rad rodded-out! Take it to several more shops (in the poor side of town), tell them it's for a Range Rover, or a Land Rover (DON'T specify that it's for a D110!!!), and see what happens. Charles ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Tue Jul 23 02:41:36 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6N6fa324865 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 02:41:36 -0400 Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 02:41:36 -0400 Message-Id: <200207230641.g6N6fac24861@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: lro@koan.team.net, mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Electrical woes.... ;-( Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I had thought that by bypassing the ign center of my ign switch and installing a generic main swith that than powered the lights circuit on the old switch was a purty good solution for now until I can get a new switch or finally take apart this one to re-build.....all has worked fine for six months until today. it was so good I had actually decided to screw all three top screws on the dash instead of just one... Today, I stopped to pick up a friend from work to go to a movie. as I pulled out of the parking structure and bounced over a speed bump all power died! ;-0 I opened the bonnet and checked all connections...than opened up the dash and looked for a connection that had fallen off from the bump! nothing found, but while moving the wires around the electric fan came on telling me that power is back...I screwed the dash back and we proceded to the theatre....than it died again...and again...I ended up having Jeff hold the dash panel in his hand while I drove, a pain as it gets in the way of the shifter, but was the only way to not loe power....after the movie, I jiggeld things around again..it worked fine for 100 feet, than died as I pulled into the busy street. Argh!!!! another session fo jiggling and it was fine. I scresed the center screw back in, and drove on with no more problems....hours later, I got in Elgie and left my friends to come home, expecting it to die on me somewhere on hte highway, and me with-out a flashlight...ut all was fine....for now...I think I should have gotten a matching wiring harness when Sterling ordered his....I'm gonna have to park Elgie for a week and get a new batttery for the disco for transportation, and slowly figure out what the culprit is...I'm wondering if this is part of the old problem I had from previous years that I had thought was the old switch being intermittant, but now think there must be a break or short or...in teh wiring in the dash area. when the cover is closed it sometimes loss powr, but when open it's always fine..hmmm Just needed to vent, but if anyone is interested in coming over and playing electrician with me next week-end? ;-) Paul From bens Tue Jul 23 02:41:39 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6N6fdH24874 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 02:41:39 -0400 Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 02:41:38 -0400 Message-Id: <200207230641.g6N6fcZ24869@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: More sightings... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I saw that same 109 P/U that Mo saw the other day, but didn't know that it was for sale (the shop was closed when I went past it). Today, spotted either a late IIA, or a Series III SWB that had a stakebed on it!!! Was Marine Blue, RHD, and topless. Also spotted a really nice looking 109 SW being towed behind a '89 Rangie, in the dark, with no lights!....... :) Charles ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Tue Jul 23 09:22:53 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6NDMr326782 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 09:22:53 -0400 Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 09:22:53 -0400 Message-Id: <200207231322.g6NDMrA26778@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: " mendo rec list" Subject: Re: Electrical woes.... ;-( Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Sorry about your problems. Here is a tip for next time. (this assumes a basically stock wiring harness) One fuse is unswitched and hot all the time. The power lead to the other fuse is switched power from your ignition switch. Run a jumper wire between the top and bottom fuses and you have power to everything. I keep a lead with alligator clips at each end in the car & used it for open circuit conditions. As long as you can pop the bonnet, a series Land Rover with stockish harness can be hot wired almost instantly with a single jumper cable. This is a good argument for a bonnet hasp and lock. TeriAnn Wakeman If you send me direct mail, please Santa Cruz, California start the subject line with TW - twakeman@cruzers.com I will be sure to read the message http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 From bens Tue Jul 23 10:26:00 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6NEQ0U27195 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 10:26:00 -0400 Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 10:26:00 -0400 Message-Id: <200207231426.g6NEQ0327191@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Electrical woes.... ;-( Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org It also may sound funny, but when the truck is dead, that's your only opportunity to find out what's wrong. Don't waste those opportunities. Once you jiggle it back to life all you can do is wait for it to die again. A decent little multimeter made for motorcyclists is about the size of a stack of 3 credit cards (available from aerostich.com among other places). In it's little slip cover it takes almost no space in the glovebox or tray, and could have been used to tell you exactly where the problem was, in less time than you spend doing the stop and go bit. The DVM and TAW's jumper could have had you on your way without risk of further down time, or accident from someone ramming you when the car dies turning onto a busy street. IMHO, being prepared doesn't just mean loading up the week before a big expedition. It means always being able to get home safely. Whether that's from central Africa, or the Piggly Wiggly. :^) How come the motorcycles don't come into your picture of available conveyances? -Dave G. From bens Tue Jul 23 12:41:21 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6NGfLm28383 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 12:41:21 -0400 Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 12:41:20 -0400 Message-Id: <200207231641.g6NGfK228379@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Fw: The 145 Tdi in Visalia Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org ...I can't type this morning! Charles --------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo-recce@fourfold.org Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 09:05:12 -0700 Subject: The 145 Tdi in Visalia Message-ID: <20020723.090602.-1995753.3.cirvin1258@juno.com> Folks, Was talking with Janet yesterday, and she mentioned that the French Tdi that we spotted in Visalia is still there as of this past Saturday! Am headed up there again today, and will stop the driver if I see it (I'll wave a LRO copy at them!), and find out if they're looking for any outings: if so, I'll relay any info to Paul A. Charles ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Tue Jul 23 13:52:42 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6NHqgK29107 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 13:52:42 -0400 Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 13:52:42 -0400 Message-Id: <200207231752.g6NHqgi29103@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Spencer Knight" To: Subject: Transmission weight Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org How much does it weight? Good question. After our first attempt at removing it, with the engine, I was convinced the thing must weigh 700lbs! I now suspect that its really more like 200 - 250lbs. Three of us can lift it and move it, albeit not too far. I think about all of the time I spend below it, and am glad that it didn't fall on my head, 200 or 700 lbs, it'd still hurt! Are you removing it from a range rover? I now understand the routine, if you need any help! We've all kidded about how much easier this will be the next time I do it . . . From bens Tue Jul 23 13:55:11 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6NHtBd29134 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 13:55:11 -0400 Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 13:55:11 -0400 Message-Id: <200207231755.g6NHtB129130@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: National Geographic Topo/NCRC event sponsorship!! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Great news everyone!! The Nevada Desert event has received its third partial sponsor - National Geographic! They're sending us two copies of our choice of their excellent state series USGS topo cdrom sets to use as door prizes for the event. They are also sending us lots of great literature on their line of topo cdroms as well, and they even asked if NCRC would like to specifically provide trip routes for use on their topo/USGS site for others to download. On that matter we can discuss at the next meeting, but the free software sets are a great deal! Score!! Two lucky participants on the event will each recieve one. Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 From bens Tue Jul 23 14:00:23 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6NI0NU29204 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 14:00:23 -0400 Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 14:00:23 -0400 Message-Id: <200207231800.g6NI0NW29200@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Stirling Anderson To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Electrical woes.... ;-( Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- Paul Archibald wrote: when the cover is closed > it sometimes loss powr, but when open it's always > fine..hmmm You do have grommets when going through your bulkhead right?? Possibly if you didn't, than the frayed wire from rubbing against that metal would be pulled just enough away from the ground of the bulkhead to not short out when the dash panel is in the passenger's lap. Just a suggestion. > Just needed to vent, but if anyone is interested in > coming over and playing > electrician with me next week-end? ;-) > > Paul Amy and I will come over and try to give you a hand. I'll bring my old wiring harness so you can see it's not as bad as it could be... ;) I'm no expert with wiring yet though, but we're learning. :) Stirling __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From bens Tue Jul 23 14:10:37 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6NIAb329303 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 14:10:37 -0400 Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 14:10:36 -0400 Message-Id: <200207231810.g6NIAal29299@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Eric Johnson" To: Subject: Re: National Geographic Topo/NCRC event sponsorship!! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Very nice, but I thought you liked the Delorme topo software. The question is, can you download the National Geo. into a Garmin...like Garmin's Mapsource (which pretty much s==ks) Can you download Delorme topo's into a Garmin? Who's is more recent? Thanks, eric >>> jpipes@csd.uwm.edu 07/23/02 10:55AM >>> Great news everyone!! The Nevada Desert euse as door prizes for the event. They are also sending us lots of great literature on their line of topo cdroms as well, and they even asked if NCRC would like to specifically provide trip routes for use on their topo/USGS site for others to download. On that matter we can discuss at the next meeting, but the free software sets are a great deal! Score!! Two lucky participants on the event will each recieve one. Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 From bens Tue Jul 23 14:29:04 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6NIT4S29393 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 14:29:04 -0400 Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 14:29:04 -0400 Message-Id: <200207231829.g6NIT4O29389@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: National Geographic Topo/NCRC event sponsorship!! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I like them all, but the one I was plugging (as a user only) was the NG/USGS set. Far better, and the only one I know of with full seameless 7.5 USGS quads. As far as I know, the set is better for use either standalone or with a GPS/laptop setup. I do know that it is set up to be able to download into a GPS itself. The data the set contains is transferable to leading GPS receivers using a wizard program. But to get the true scope of the data and detail of the 7.5 quads it's likely best used on a color laptop screen in my opinion, although I've never tried it with a handheld GPS yet. jpipes > >Very nice, but I thought you liked the Delorme topo software. > >The question is, can you download the National Geo. into a >Garmin...like Garmin's Mapsource (which pretty much s==ks) >Can you download Delorme topo's into a Garmin? > > Who's is more recent? > [ 25 additional quoted lines pruned. ] -- Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 From bens Tue Jul 23 14:46:28 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6NIkS729549 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 14:46:28 -0400 Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 14:46:28 -0400 Message-Id: <200207231846.g6NIkSY29545@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Electrical woes.... ;-( Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- TeriAnn Wakeman wrote: > > Sorry about your problems. Cest la vie! ;-) for now, it's off to find a new battery for the disco, keep finding 525 amp ones, and the stock was 600....so it looks like I have to pay much more for a regular battery after all...all the spiral cell ones are over 130.00 so that out for now. > (this assumes a basically stock wiring harness) > One fuse is unswitched and hot all the time. The power > lead to the other > fuse is switched power from your ignition switch. Run a > jumper wire > between the top and bottom fuses and you have power to > everything. forgot about that! but in th dark with no flashlight....guess what I'm putting in the cubby today! ;-) > I keep a lead with alligator clips at each end in the car > & used it for > open circuit conditions. Yeah! I normally do too, but when cleaning up after Mendo, took out all my wiring stuff for some reason... > As long as you can pop the bonnet, a series Land Rover > with stockish > harness can be hot wired almost instantly with a single > jumper cable. > This is a good argument for a bonnet hasp and lock. got one sitting on the dash right now..... ;-) Paul __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From bens Tue Jul 23 14:46:36 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6NIka429564 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 14:46:36 -0400 Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 14:46:35 -0400 Message-Id: <200207231846.g6NIkZE29560@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: Electrical woes.... ;-( Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- "Gomes, David" wrote: > > It also may sound funny, but when the truck is dead, > that's your only > opportunity to find out what's wrong. Don't waste those > opportunities. > Once you jiggle it back to life all you can do is wait > for it to die again. So true! Maybe I should drive around the neighborhood and try to bounce it dead again? ;-) > A decent little multimeter made for motorcyclists is > about the size of a > stack of 3 credit cards (available from aerostich.com > among other places). > In it's little slip cover it takes almost no space in the > glovebox or tray, > and could have been used to tell you exactly where the > problem was, in less > time than you spend doing the stop and go bit. good idea! I have one a little bigger thta i keep with the bike, but can't find that one either...not int he tank bag, not in glove box of either rover..hmmmm! The DVM > and TAW's jumper > could have had you on your way without risk of further > down time, or > accident from someone ramming you when the car dies > turning onto a busy > street. like I said in response to TW, I usually have my electrical box with the multimeter and jumpers, connectors etc, but it's in the garage now.. ooops! > IMHO, being prepared doesn't just mean loading up the > week before a big > expedition. It means always being able to get home > safely. Whether that's > from central Africa, or the Piggly Wiggly. :^) so true! recently I have not been doing things as I should... ;-( > How come the motorcycles don't come into your picture of > available > conveyances? um...er didn't I mention that a while back? When doing a oil/filter change last month, chunks fell out with the oil!!! THe bearing cage for the main bearings has grenaded, so I'm lucky it didn't actually lock up on me...unsure how bad the damage is...hopefully the cage just came apart and the crank isn't damaged....crossign fingers. I have to wait on that for a while... Paul '66 land-rover (down with wiring gremlins) '63 midget (running on two cylinders) '92 Ducati (blown main bearings) '95 Discovery (hopefully now sorted out electrically, about to get a new battery) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From bens Tue Jul 23 14:46:38 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6NIkc629579 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 14:46:38 -0400 Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 14:46:38 -0400 Message-Id: <200207231846.g6NIkc729575@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Electrical woes.... ;-( Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- Stirling Anderson wrote: > > --- Paul Archibald wrote: > when the cover is closed > > it sometimes loss powr, but when open it's always > > fine..hmmm > You do have grommets when going through your bulkhead > right?? uh....ummmm ;-) NO! (No comment, I know better, I know...the new box of grommets is in the garage) Possibly if you didn't, than the frayed wire > from rubbing against that metal would be pulled just > enough away from the ground of the bulkhead to not > short out when the dash panel is in the passenger's > lap. Just a suggestion. Yeah! It's somthing like that, I think, but the strange thing is no spark, but loss of power, as if there is a connection problem.... > > Just needed to vent, but if anyone is interested in > > coming over and playing > > electrician with me next week-end? ;-) > Amy and I will come over and try to give you a hand. > I'll bring my old wiring harness so you can see it's > not as bad as it could be... ;) I'm no expert with > wiring yet though, but we're learning. :) Stirling I'll let you know if i will have a Save Elgie's electricals gathering on Saturday fot those of you who are not going to NEvada. ;-) Paul __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From bens Tue Jul 23 15:09:20 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6NJ9KG29792 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 15:09:20 -0400 Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 15:09:19 -0400 Message-Id: <200207231909.g6NJ9JF29788@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Chris Mangrum To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: Re: sighting Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I own a red 94 D-90 #213. As soon as the weather turns nice, the top comes off, but it wasn't me on 80. Most of my days are spent in the Campbell/Los Gatos area. Chris Chris Mangrum cmangrum@intellichoice.com 1994 D-90 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 10:14:44 -0400 From: john hess Subject: sighting Hiya, Red topless D90, #1251 on 80 going west yesterday afternoon, 3PM. Young male driver. As I looked at the truck, I wondered are there any red d90s in the club? cheers, John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Land Rover Dormobile web pages: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby" 1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" 1999 Bianchi Milano, 2001 Bianchi Pista 2002 Meridian Attache Softride Tandem From bens Tue Jul 23 15:23:28 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6NJNSI29889 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 15:23:28 -0400 Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 15:23:28 -0400 Message-Id: <200207231923.g6NJNSE29885@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Peter Ogilvie To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Electrical woes.... ;-( Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org You might check the fuse connections. I didn't have turn signals, wipers, bright headlights, etc. when I first got the 109 running. I could pull the instrument cluster, futz about with the wires but generally do nothing other than connect and disconnect wires and the offending items would spring to life. I'd reinstall the panel and the stuff wouldn't work, though not necessarily just as soon as I put the panel back in. This went on for months till they quit completely. Even though I'd replaced the fuses before, decided do it again and to clean up the contacts with emery paper and contact cleaner. Everything sprang back to life and has been fine ever since. Incidentally, I'd tried jumping the fuse connection but that hadn't solved the problem. The contacts must have been so corroded even an alligator clip couldn't make contact. You might look at the fuse block. I'm going to replace the ancient two fuse panel with a modern plug in fuse block with more circuits. If nothing else, it will make trouble shooting easier. Aloha Peter O. --- Paul Archibald wrote: > > > --- Stirling Anderson wrote: > > > > --- Paul Archibald wrote: > > when the cover is closed > > > it sometimes loss powr, but when open it's > always > > > fine..hmmm [ 46 additional quoted lines pruned. ] __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From bens Tue Jul 23 15:27:26 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6NJRQF29927 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 15:27:26 -0400 Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 15:27:25 -0400 Message-Id: <200207231927.g6NJRPv29923@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jeff Rogers To: Mendo Recce List Subject: Re: re. Article on Boxer Bill and Trail 10N13 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Has anyone written a letter to Boxer that I can sign onto? I don't have the time to write, but I can mail something out. -->Jeff on 7/22/02 9:48 PM, Mitchell, Ben at Mitchell_Ben@gsb.stanford.edu wrote: > > [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] > [ Included Original Message ] > [ 37 lines filtered. ] > I'm having trouble getting to that article, but lest this detail isn't > mentioned, I've got good news on this one. Boxer has been trying to cajole > support from county boards of supervisors for her plan. As a part time > resident in El Dorado county, I wrote to all of the supervisors, and > received agreeable responses from three of them. The most recent showed up [ 10 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Tue Jul 23 15:29:30 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6NJTUe29963 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 15:29:30 -0400 Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 15:29:30 -0400 Message-Id: <200207231929.g6NJTUP29959@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kerner, Rob" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: re. Article on Boxer Bill and Trail 10N13 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 27 lines filtered. ] I havn't written her a letter, but I did drop her a quick email from her web site. I'll see if BRC has anything written up yet? -Rob From bens Tue Jul 23 15:40:36 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6NJeak30045 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 15:40:36 -0400 Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 15:40:36 -0400 Message-Id: <200207231940.g6NJeaM30041@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Electrical woes.... ;-( Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "...chunks fell out with the oil!!!...." Yikes. Do you know if that's a common failure at all? Or what might be the reason for it? I know some other guys with ducs of a similar vintage. -Dave G. From bens Tue Jul 23 15:45:43 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6NJjhW30082 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 15:45:43 -0400 Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 15:45:43 -0400 Message-Id: <200207231945.g6NJjhJ30078@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Eric Johnson" To: Subject: RE: re. Article on Boxer Bill and Trail 10N13 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org E-mails are a waste of time. Only the lower level minions MAY read them...on their lunch time. Upper level minions and Senators will pay attention to actual paper mail, however. >>> Kerner@vegmail.ucdavis.edu 07/23/02 12:29PM >>> [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 27 lines filtered. ] I havn't written her a letter, but I did drop her a quick email from her web site. I'll see if BRC has anything written up yet? -Rob From bens Tue Jul 23 15:58:05 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6NJw5Q30176 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 15:58:05 -0400 Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 15:58:05 -0400 Message-Id: <200207231958.g6NJw5B30172@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: Electrical woes.... ;-( Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- "Gomes, David" wrote: > > "...chunks fell out > with the oil!!!...." > > Yikes. Do you know if that's a common failure at all? > Or what might be the > reason for it? I know some other guys with ducs of a > similar vintage. Nah! Not heard about it happening, but my mechanic wasn't surprized really, so maybe it's not that uncommon? (or the history of engine abuse by letting a friend run it waaaaay past redline...;-( probably didn't help...) I hae a line on a really cheep 900ss with a good running engine but worn out other parts, so I may re-build RBBRDUC as a 900! ;-) Than later on I will eventually re-build the origional engine, and have one as a monoposta, and the other as biposta instead of swapping tail sections all the time like I have been doing all these years. Paul __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From bens Tue Jul 23 16:24:46 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6NKOkl30365 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 16:24:46 -0400 Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 16:24:46 -0400 Message-Id: <200207232024.g6NKOk030361@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Electrical woes.... ;-( Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "....I may re-build RBBRDUC as a 900! ;-) Than later on I will eventually re-build the origional engine,...." If your project list is anything like mine, I'm sure your grandson will appreciate the gift. :^) -Dave G. From bens Tue Jul 23 16:32:42 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6NKWgJ30455 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 16:32:42 -0400 Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 16:32:41 -0400 Message-Id: <200207232032.g6NKWfE30451@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kerner, Rob" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: Letter for Boxer Wilderness Plan Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html ] [ 64 lines filtered. ] This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. I just got a bunch of info from Don Amador of BRC. If anyone wants exactly what he sent me, I can forward it. -Rob From bens Tue Jul 23 16:40:08 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6NKe8s30497 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 16:40:08 -0400 Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 16:40:08 -0400 Message-Id: <200207232040.g6NKe8H30493@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "charles chuan-chen phu" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: sighting Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Sighted a dark olive green SIII 88 with buff white top and rear door(not very sure, I was too fast) on 101 southbound at Brisbane this morning around 8:30. Seems pretty nice. Again, red topless D90 behind me on 101 north at 7th st. exit this morning. Charles _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From bens Tue Jul 23 16:41:07 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6NKf7030521 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 16:41:07 -0400 Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 16:41:07 -0400 Message-Id: <200207232041.g6NKf7630517@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: Electrical woes.... ;-( Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- "Gomes, David" wrote: > > "....I may re-build RBBRDUC as a 900! ;-) Than later on > I will eventually > re-build the > origional engine,...." > > If your project list is anything like mine, I'm sure your > grandson will > appreciate the gift. :^) Dave, my project list may be longer than yours! ;-( I think some of my project may take another tirty years if I keep them around.. but I really need to get back on two wheels soon... Paul __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From bens Tue Jul 23 17:57:17 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6NLvHn31036 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 17:57:17 -0400 Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 17:57:16 -0400 Message-Id: <200207232157.g6NLvG331032@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Turner, Jon [LFS]" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: CO2 Tank refills? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; ] [ 22 lines filtered. ] This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. charset="iso-8859-1" So where in the SF Bay Area is best to get CO2 tanks refilled? South and East Bay is best for me. Thanks, Jon From bens Tue Jul 23 18:03:32 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6NM3W731097 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 18:03:32 -0400 Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 18:03:32 -0400 Message-Id: <200207232203.g6NM3Ws31093@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: CO2 Tank refills? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org What kind? for welding? power tank for tires and such? fire extinguisher? Not sure it matters, but it might. -Dave G. From bens Tue Jul 23 18:08:01 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6NM81d31155 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 18:08:01 -0400 Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 18:08:01 -0400 Message-Id: <200207232208.g6NM81E31151@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jeff Rogers To: Mendo Recce List Subject: Re: re. Article on Boxer Bill and Trail 10N13 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org on 7/23/02 12:45 PM, Eric Johnson at Eric.Johnson@udlp.com wrote: > > E-mails are a waste of time. Only the lower level minions MAY read > them...on their lunch time. > Upper level minions and Senators will pay attention to actual paper > mail, however. Agree. From bens Tue Jul 23 19:25:13 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6NNPDu31625 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 19:25:13 -0400 Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 19:25:13 -0400 Message-Id: <200207232325.g6NNPDI31621@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Stirling Anderson To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Camping close to the Bay area? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hey everyone! The African and I are finally driving again after too many months. I was wondering if anyone knows of any nice places to camp around the Bay Area that will be virtually deserted. It's been far too long since I've seen the stars, and been able to do my "Do you hear that?" "What?" "Nothing" joke.... It's like the Bob Dylan song... "it's been so long since I've heard peace and quiet I can't remember what it's like." Anyhow, if anyone has any secret hidaways away from everything and everyone, care to share?? I can keep a secret. ;) Thanks alot, Stirling. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From bens Tue Jul 23 20:24:21 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6O0OL931941 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 20:24:21 -0400 Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 20:24:21 -0400 Message-Id: <200207240024.g6O0OL931937@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: " mendo rec list" Subject: Re: Camping close to the Bay area? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Hey everyone! The African and I are finally driving >again after too many months. I was wondering if >anyone knows of any nice places to camp around the Bay >Area that will be virtually deserted. There are three state park camp grounds and a KOA in my area. I wouldn't call any of them deserted. Actually I would call them crowded. I could probably make arangments to let you dry camp with no open fire for a night or 2 in my side yard. It is at the bottom of a wooded V canyon and only 2 houses would be visible. TeriAnn Wakeman If you send me direct mail, please Santa Cruz, California start the subject line with TW - twakeman@cruzers.com I will be sure to read the message http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 From bens Tue Jul 23 21:33:44 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6O1XiW32276 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 21:33:44 -0400 Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 21:33:39 -0400 Message-Id: <200207240133.g6O1Xdt32272@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Brian Horner To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Camping close to the Bay area? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Ventana Campground in Big Sur are very nice, have hot showers and has a nice layout so you can be off on your own and not have to see anyone. Bonus, great trees, babbling brook and just a minute away from several really nice beaches. It probably isn't what I would call "Virtually deserted" but it is very nice and does not feel crowded. Anyway - I like it a lot. Brian On Tuesday, July 23, 2002, at 04:25 PM, Stirling Anderson wrote: > > Hey everyone! The African and I are finally driving > again after too many months. I was wondering if > anyone knows of any nice places to camp around the Bay > Area that will be virtually deserted. It's been far > too long since I've seen the stars, and been able to > do my "Do you hear that?" "What?" "Nothing" joke.... > It's like the Bob Dylan song... "it's been so long > since I've heard peace and quiet I can't remember what [ 9 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ---------------------------------------------------------- http://www.roverme.org Land Rover Community, Links and Email Services From bens Tue Jul 23 22:27:05 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6O2R5n32495 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 22:27:05 -0400 Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 22:27:05 -0400 Message-Id: <200207240227.g6O2R5c32491@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Keith Shukait To: jpipes@feldgrau.com Cc: mendo_recce@fourfold.org, caseymcm@usa.net, brbonar@value.net Subject: Nevada Desert Trip Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Jason and All, Sadly we need to cancel off the trip this weekend. My dad had a heart attack today about 3:00pm. He's in the ICU at El Camino Hospital doing a lot better now. They're running a bunch of test to see how much damage was done and whether or not he'll need any other procedures. I want to visit him through out the weekend and want to be reachable by phone. He's been saying "we need to get a boat and do some fishing" for the past few months so I think it's time to start looking for a little fishing boat... Other Land Rover Information that might help on the trip: I didn't want the family sleeping on the ground with the snakes and scorpions. A roof top tent will always be flat and the 2" mattress pad will be better than the sharp rocks. I've been working hard to come up with a way to mount a roof top tent to the top of my Land Rover Discovery Adventure Rack. There's not a lot or any accessories for this rack. I wanted it to look professional and not a "home made" job. I've been looking at Safari Trailers Bedouin Roof Top Tent: http://safaritrailers.com/index.cfm?action=catalog&catID=2 and AutoHome's Overcamp in the medium size: http://www.loftyshelters.com/ I've been working backwards to find the solution by seeing if what they supply would work, but no. Both guys had lots of bad ideas like replacing my rack with theirs, wood blocks screwed to the rack, but holes will only rust out and make the rack weaker. I went to the Sports Rack on El Camino at lunch today and I figured it out. Both Yakima and Thule make a bar adapter the will work perfectly. Yakima makes the "LowrRider" and the 58" bars are the perfect size. It's a really good looking clamp that will hold stead fast to the Adventure Rack. You can mount first bar just before the dip and the second bar at the end of the Adventure Rack and it works great. After looking at it from all angles the OverCamp is the best unit by far. The fit, finish, quality and durability is way better for about $100 dollars more when comparing same size to same size tents. The OverCamp folds up smaller leaving more room for other items on you Adventure Rack. Gas and water can and mounting for the Adventure Rack: Safari Trailers has a really nice two can mounting brackets: You could put two 20L water jugs in one and two 20L fuel cans in the other. http://safaritrailers.com/index.cfm?action=information&pageid=15 I haven't seen a better double can mount than is one. Short term you could drill holes in the can mount and use U bolts around the Adventure Rack tubing. Long term I'm going to make a floor out of expanded metal, it looks kind of like chicken wire but is really sturdy. I plan to cut it to fit, galvanize it,hen have it rubber coated. I'll use the U-bolt idea to fasten it to the Adventure Rack. No matter how I tried to pack the car I just couldn't get it all in, I need to use the Adventure Rack. The bars on the Adventure Rack are too close to the paint on the XD or non-sunroof version and soft items like duffel bags will end up chaffing the paint. I think this is the best way to go. `I'll keep you up dated on how the floor turns out I was two hours from buying the OverCamp Roof Top Tent when I got the news on my dad. I'll still get it, but there's no rush now. I'm really bummed about not going on the trip this weekend, but I need to be with my dad. Jason you did a great job putting it together, YOU DA MAN!!!! Have fun and take a lot of pictures, I really want to see how it turns out. Cheers, Keith & Pam Shukait Northern California Rover Club 1997 Land Rover Discovery XD "YLLWJKT" 1969 Land Rover Series IIA ExMoD 109 Regular "Millie" 1967 Land Rover Series IIA NADA 6 Cylinder Dormobile "Indiana" From bens Tue Jul 23 22:42:49 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6O2gnF32565 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 22:42:49 -0400 Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 22:42:48 -0400 Message-Id: <200207240242.g6O2gm332561@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Jason Pipes" To: "Keith Shukait" Cc: Subject: RE: Nevada Desert Trip Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 86 lines filtered. ] KEITH! I'm so sorry to hear about your father!! And I can say with authority that I know what it's like to go though such a thing. I spent nearly a month next to my dad when he had a heart attack back in May. I just put everything aside and spent every waking hour with him. We didn't do much as he was recovering from double bypass surgery, but just being with him was great. I hope your father gets better soon and makes a full and healthy recovery! We'll keep your father and your entire family in our thoughts! jpipes From bens Tue Jul 23 23:07:47 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6O37ld32693 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 23:07:47 -0400 Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 23:07:47 -0400 Message-Id: <200207240307.g6O37le32689@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Eric Fournier To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: CO2 Tank refills? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/enriched; ] [ 66 lines filtered. ] --Apple-Mail-1--219223160 charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Atlas Welding Supply Inc (510) 524-5117 =A0 =09 1224 6th St Berkeley HTH, Eric On Tuesday, July 23, 2002, at 02:57 PM, Turner, Jon [LFS] wrote: > > [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] > [ text/html; ] > [ 22 lines filtered. ] > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not=20 > understand > this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. > > charset=3D"iso-8859-1" [ 2 additional quoted lines pruned. ] > and > East Bay is best for me. > > Thanks, > > Jon > > --Apple-Mail-1--219223160 From bens Tue Jul 23 23:40:16 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6O3eGH00370 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 23:40:16 -0400 Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 23:40:16 -0400 Message-Id: <200207240340.g6O3eGi00366@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Christopher H. Dow" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: sighting Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Paul Archibald wrote: >--- "Gomes, David" wrote: > > >>I think Chuck Henry's old red D90 with the pickup cab and >>Badger tone is >>still owned by friends of the Dows. Not sure if they're >>club types or not >>though. >> [ 8 additional quoted lines pruned. ] Janet & Holly still have their rig, and yes, they mostly wheel it with other friends of ours (who mostly have FJ40s). Holly sold her FJ40 because she loves wheeling it so much. It's name is Beast, and due tu Q's mods, it's appropriate. It was Beast's shock that Mr. Mitchell welded (twice) on the Rubicon last year. C From bens Wed Jul 24 00:59:35 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6O4xZl02210 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 00:59:35 -0400 Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 00:59:35 -0400 Message-Id: <200207240459.g6O4xZ702206@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Shannon Holland To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Camping close to the Bay area? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In the Ventana Wilderness - if you take Tassajara Rd off Carmel Valley Rd (out of Carmel) there's a slightly improved camp called China Camp (think it's around 10 miles in on the right hand side). Have been there twice this time of year (on weekends) - once we were alone, the next time there was one other group. It's around 6000' so it's a bit cooler at night and there are some hiking trails nearby. Ahh, just searched on google to make sure my names were correct - it's 24 miles up Carmel Valley Rd (from Carmel) and 9 miles in from there. http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=tassajara+rd+china+ camp Shannon On Tuesday, July 23, 2002, at 04:25 PM, Stirling Anderson wrote: > > Hey everyone! The African and I are finally driving > again after too many months. I was wondering if > anyone knows of any nice places to camp around the Bay > Area that will be virtually deserted. It's been far > too long since I've seen the stars, and been able to > do my "Do you hear that?" "What?" "Nothing" joke.... > It's like the Bob Dylan song... "it's been so long > since I've heard peace and quiet I can't remember what [ 9 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Wed Jul 24 09:00:01 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6OD01p04638 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 09:00:01 -0400 Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 09:00:01 -0400 Message-Id: <200207241300.g6OD01004634@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: sighting Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "....Holly sold her FJ40 because she loves wheeling [the D-90] so much...." That's great to hear. We were worried at first about the "sibling rivalry" :^) Glad to hear it has a good home. -Dave G. From bens Wed Jul 24 09:06:08 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6OD68g04692 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 09:06:08 -0400 Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 09:06:08 -0400 Message-Id: <200207241306.g6OD68904688@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kerner, Rob" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Camping close to the Bay area? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Its not a secret, but it was never crowded when I went. Henry Coe State Park. It is in Morgan Hill about 10 miles past Anderson Reservoir up a steep windy road. On the other side of the valley is Uvas Canyon. There is some nice forested area with Uvas Creek nearby. -Rob From bens Wed Jul 24 09:32:24 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6ODWOH04818 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 09:32:24 -0400 Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 09:32:23 -0400 Message-Id: <200207241332.g6ODWNJ04814@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: CO2 Tank refills? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi, Hit the yellow pages for welding supplies or fire extinguishers recharging. Bob B At 02:57 PM 7/23/2002, you wrote: > [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] > [ text/html; ] > [ 22 lines filtered. ] >This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand >this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. > > charset="iso-8859-1" > >So where in the SF Bay Area is best to get CO2 tanks refilled? South and [ 5 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Wed Jul 24 09:35:26 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6ODZQ704848 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 09:35:26 -0400 Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 09:35:26 -0400 Message-Id: <200207241335.g6ODZQc04844@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Bob Frey" To: Subject: Re: Camping close to the Bay area? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org No place that I know of is virtually deserted this time of year.... but here's my short list of camping close by. East Bay... Sunol Regional Wilderness.... small campground at trailhead Anthony Chabot Regional Park.... campground is off Redwood Road north of Castro Valley. The campground is high on a ridge overlooking Lake Chabot. And near the San Mateo coast.... San Mateo Memorial Park on Pescadero Road Butano State Park off Pescadero Road Big Basin State Park Portola State Park North Bay... Samuel P. Taylor State Park.... On Sir Francis Drake between Fairfax and Pt. Reyes Farther North Salt Point State Park.... the walk in sites are great and usually available without reservation Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stirling Anderson" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 4:25 PM Subject: Camping close to the Bay area? > > Hey everyone! The African and I are finally driving > again after too many months. I was wondering if > anyone knows of any nice places to camp around the Bay > Area that will be virtually deserted. It's been far > too long since I've seen the stars, and been able to > do my "Do you hear that?" "What?" "Nothing" joke.... > It's like the Bob Dylan song... "it's been so long > since I've heard peace and quiet I can't remember what [ 9 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Wed Jul 24 09:38:35 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6ODcZq04878 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 09:38:35 -0400 Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 09:38:34 -0400 Message-Id: <200207241338.g6ODcYs04874@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Turner, Jon [LFS]" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: CO2 Tank refills? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 79 lines filtered. ] This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. charset="iso-8859-1" Bob - Tried that, but a lot say that they just do exchanges and I want to keep my tank. From bens Wed Jul 24 10:15:09 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6OEF9t05187 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 10:15:09 -0400 Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 10:15:09 -0400 Message-Id: <200207241415.g6OEF9i05183@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "YISA HAMED" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: STRICTELY CONFIDENTIAL Jeff Rogers Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org THE DIRECTOR, AUDIT AND ACCOUNTS UNIT. FOREIGN REMITTANCE DEPT. TOGOLAISE IBA B.P 3302: LOME,REPUBLIC OF TOGO, WEST AFRICA. WITH DUE HONOUR AND RESPECT,I AM DR.HAMED YISA,THE DIRECTOR IN CHARGE OF AUDIT AND ACCOUNTS UNIT,FOREIGN REMITTANCE DEPT.OF THE TOGOLAISE INTERNATIONAL BANK OF AFRICA(IBA),LOME-TOGO IN WEST AFRICA. DURING OUR AUDITING AND INVESTIGATIONS IN THIS BANK,MY DEPARTMENT CAME ACROSS THE SUM OF TWENTY FIVE MILLION FIVE HUNDRED THANSAND UNITED STATES DOLLARS(US$25.5,000,000)ONLY BELONGING TO A JAPANESS INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS MAN MICHIKO SUGIMOTO WHO DIED ALONG WITH HIS NEXT OF KIN IN THE 5TH NOVEMBER,1997 AEROPLANE CRASH IN ABIDJAN. BEFORE OUR DISCOVERY TO THIS DEVELOPMENT,THERE WAS NO TRACE OF CLAIM FROM ANY PERSON AS THE FUND REMAINS DORMANT IN HIS ACCOUNT WITH THIS BANK. ALTHOUGH,I KEEP THIS INFORMATION SECRET WITHIN MY JURISDICTION TO ENABLE US PUT CLAIMS AND TRANSFER THE SAID AMOUNT THROUGH A TRUSTWORTHY FRIEND OVERSEAS WHOM WE SHALL PRESENT TO THE BANK AS THE BONAFIDE NEXT-OF-KIN TO THE DECEASED FOR A PROFITABLE AND SUCCESSFUL DEAL. MEANWHILE,ALL THE ARRANGEMENT TO PUT CLAIMS AS THE BONAFIDE NEXT-OF-KIN TO THE DECEASED,TO GET THE REQUIRED APPROVAL AND TRANSFER OF THIS MONEY TO A FOREIGN ACCOUNT HAS BEEN PUT IN PLACE.THE DIRECTIVES AND THE NEEDED INFORMATION WILL BE RELAYED TO YOU AS SOON AS YOU INDICATE YOUR INTEREST AND WILLINGNESS TO BENEFIT YOURSELF FROM THIS GREAT BUSINESS OPPORTUNITY. INFACT,WE COULD HAVE DONE THIS DEAL ALONE BUT BECAUSE WE CIVIL SERVANTS ARE NOT LEGALLY ALLOWED TO OPERATE FOREIGN ACCOUNT.AND IT WOULD EVENTUALLY RAISE EYEBROWS ON OUR SIDE DURING THE TIME OF TRANSFER BECAUSE WE ARE STAFF OF THE BANK.THESE ARE THE ACTUAL REASONS IT REQUIRES A SECOND-FELLOW WHO WILL FORWARD CLAIMS BY OUR SUPPORT AS THE BONAFIDE NEXT-OF-KIN WITH TOGOLAISE'S COURT AFFIDAVIT TO THE BANK AND ALSO PRESENT A FOREIGN BANK ACCOUNT WHERE THE MONEY ON HIS/HER REQUEST WILL BE RE-TRANSFERED INTO. ON CONCLUSION OF THIS TRANSACTION,YOU WILL BE ENTITLED TO 25% OF THE TOTAL SUM AS GRATIFICATION.5% OF THE TOTAL SUM WILL BE USED TO REINBURSE EXPENSES THAT MIGHT ARISE FROM TELEPHONE BILLS AND OTHER EXPENSES DURING THE TRANSACTION,WHILE 70% WILL BE FOR ME AND MY PARTNERS HERE. PLEASE YOU HAVE BEEN ADVICED TO KEEP TOP SECRET AS WE ARE STILL IN SERVICE AND INTEND TO RETIRE FROM SERVICE AFTER WE CONCLUDE THIS DEAL WITH YOU. I WILL BE MONITORING THE WHOLE SITUATION HERE IN THIS BANK UNTIL YOU CONFIRM THE MONEY IN YOUR ACCOUNT.WE THEN COME DOWN TO YOUR COUNTRY FOR SUBSEQUENT SHARING OF THE FUND ACCORDING TO THE PERCENTAGES PREVIOUSLY INDICATED AND FOR INVESTMENT IN ANY COUNTRY YOU MAY ADVICE US TOO. ALL OTHER NECESSARY INFORMATION WILL BE SENT TO YOU WHEN I HEAR FROM YOU. I SUGGEST YOU GET BACK TO ME AS SOON AS POSSIBLE STATING YOUR WISH IN THIS DEAL. YOURS FAITHFULLY, DR.HAMED YISA Tel:00228-94-77-041 Altnative:yisahamed@doctor.com _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From bens Wed Jul 24 10:22:20 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6OEMKS05304 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 10:22:20 -0400 Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 10:22:20 -0400 Message-Id: <200207241422.g6OEMKw05300@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: CO2 Tank refills? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I guess the ones that only do exchanges are too small to fill them there. We've gone to the fire extinguisher place in Chico and waited for ours. We have used MJB welding too. Is there one of their stores down your way? The local beverage distributor uses them also. Bob B At 06:38 AM 7/24/2002, you wrote: > [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] > [ Included Original Message ] > [ 79 lines filtered. ] >This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand >this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. > > charset="iso-8859-1" > >Bob - [ 3 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Wed Jul 24 10:23:56 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6OENuH05337 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 10:23:56 -0400 Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 10:23:56 -0400 Message-Id: <200207241423.g6OENuT05333@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kerner, Rob" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: STRICTELY CONFIDENTIAL Jeff Rogers Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 98 lines filtered. ] Wahooo, Jeff's rich From bens Wed Jul 24 10:34:40 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6OEYeh05417 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 10:34:40 -0400 Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 10:34:40 -0400 Message-Id: <200207241434.g6OEYec05413@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: " mendo rec list" Subject: Re: Camping close to the Bay area? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >And near the San Mateo coast.... > >San Mateo Memorial Park on Pescadero Road >Butano State Park off Pescadero Road >Portola State Park >Big Basin State Park The folks up San Lorenzo Valley in Santa Cruz county would have a problem with the big basin park being relocated North. In Santa Cruz Co. Includes: Big basin park, Big trees park (sessional on Mt Herman Rd) Sea Cliff beach (sardine like RV slots along the edge of the beach) New Brighton park (forested on cliff with trail down to beach) KOA (San Andraius road, close to beaches & golf course) Gee this IS bad. I just realized I know more about camping locations in Eastern Utah & North Eastern Arizona than I do in the greater area that I live in TeriAnn Wakeman If you send me direct mail, please Santa Cruz, California start the subject line with TW - twakeman@cruzers.com I will be sure to read the message http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 From bens Wed Jul 24 10:47:24 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6OElOl05511 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 10:47:24 -0400 Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 10:47:24 -0400 Message-Id: <200207241447.g6OElOn05507@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: CO2 Tank refills? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org At 06:38 AM 7/24/2002, you wrote: >Tried that, but a lot say that they just do exchanges and I want to keep my >tank. I just remembered the name of the Fire extinguisher company. Hughes. They are also in San Francisco and maybe San Jose too. Bob B From bens Wed Jul 24 11:00:36 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6OF0a705630 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 11:00:36 -0400 Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 11:00:35 -0400 Message-Id: <200207241500.g6OF0Zu05626@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Eric Johnson" To: Subject: Re: Nevada trip Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Sorry to hear about your dad...we all hope to hear better news soon. >>> shukait@apple.com 07/23/02 07:27PM >>> Jason and All, Sadly we need to cancel off the trip this weekend. My dad had a heart attack today about 3:00pm. He's in the ICU at El Camino Hospital doing a lot better now. They're running a bunch of test to see how much damage was done and whether or not he'll need any other procedures. I want to visit him through out the weekend and want to be reachable by phone. He's been saying "we need to get a boat and do some fishing" for the past few months so I think it's time to start looking for a little fishing boat... Other Land Rover Information that might help on the trip: I didn't want the family sleeping on the ground with the snakes and scorpions. A roof top tent will always be flat and the 2" mattress pad will be better than the sharp rocks. I've been working hard to come up with a way to mount a roof top tent to the top of my Land Rover Discovery Adventure Rack. There's not a lot or any accessories for this rack. I wanted it to look professional and not a "home made" job. I've been looking at Safari Trailers Bedouin Roof Top Tent: http://safaritrailers.com/index.cfm?action=catalog&catID=2 and AutoHome's Overcamp in the medium size: http://www.loftyshelters.com/ I've been working backwards to find the solution by seeing if what they supply would work, but no. Both guys had lots of bad ideas like replacing my rack with theirs, wood blocks screwed to the rack, but holes will only rust out and make the rack weaker. I went to the Sports Rack on El Camino at lunch today and I figured it out. Both Yakima and Thule make a bar adapter the will work perfectly. Yakima makes the "LowrRider" and the 58" bars are the perfect size. It's a really good looking clamp that will hold stead fast to the Adventure Rack. You can mount first bar just before the dip and the second bar at the end of the Adventure Rack and it works great. After looking at it from all angles the OverCamp is the best unit by far. The fit, finish, quality and durability is way better for about $100 dollars more when comparing same size to same size tents. The OverCamp folds up smaller leaving more room for other items on you Adventure Rack. Gas and water can and mounting for the Adventure Rack: Safari Trailers has a really nice two can mounting brackets: You could put two 20L water jugs in one and two 20L fuel cans in the other. http://safaritrailers.com/index.cfm?action=information&pageid=15 I haven't seen a better double can mount than is one. Short term you could drill holes in the can mount and use U bolts around the Adventure Rack tubing. Long term I'm going to make a floor out of expanded metal, it looks kind of like chicken wire but is really sturdy. I plan to cut it to fit, galvanize it,hen have it rubber coated. I'll use the U-bolt idea to fasten it to the Adventure Rack. No matter how I tried to pack the car I just couldn't get it all in, I need to use the Adventure Rack. The bars on the Adventure Rack are too close to the paint on the XD or non-sunroof version and soft items like duffel bags will end up chaffing the paint. I think this is the best way to go. `I'll keep you up dated on how the floor turns out I was two hours from buying the OverCamp Roof Top Tent when I got the news on my dad. I'll still get it, but there's no rush now. I'm really bummed about not going on the trip this weekend, but I need to be with my dad. Jason you did a great job putting it together, YOU DA MAN!!!! Have fun and take a lot of pictures, I really want to see how it turns out. Cheers, Keith & Pam Shukait Northern California Rover Club 1997 Land Rover Discovery XD "YLLWJKT" 1969 Land Rover Series IIA ExMoD 109 Regular "Millie" 1967 Land Rover Series IIA NADA 6 Cylinder Dormobile "Indiana" From bens Wed Jul 24 12:10:15 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6OGAFB06050 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 12:10:15 -0400 Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 12:10:15 -0400 Message-Id: <200207241610.g6OGAFN06046@minbar.fourfold.org> From: shukait@mac.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Nevada Desert Trip Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Sorry all, I meant to send my trip cancellation to Jason Pipes and the rest of the Nevada Desert Trip folks, I didn't notice that I had the list email in the cc group. Bad day... Keith From bens Wed Jul 24 12:16:50 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6OGGoo06207 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 12:16:50 -0400 Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 12:16:49 -0400 Message-Id: <200207241616.g6OGGnE06203@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Russ Wilson To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Nevada Desert Trip Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Sorry all, > >I meant to send my trip cancellation to Jason Pipes and the rest of the >Nevada Desert Trip folks, I didn't notice that I had the list email in >the cc group. Bad day... > >Keith Hope everything works out.... RW -- "Your friend is the one you call to bail you out of jail. Your best friend is the one sitting next to you saying,'Dude, that was awesome!" From bens Wed Jul 24 12:45:42 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6OGjgD06527 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 12:45:42 -0400 Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 12:45:42 -0400 Message-Id: <200207241645.g6OGjg006523@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Brian Horner To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Camping close to the Bay area? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Ventana Campground in Big Sur are very nice, have hot showers and has a nice layout so you can be off on your own and not have to see anyone. Bonus, great trees, babbling brook and just a minute away from several really nice beaches. It probably isn't what I would call "Virtually deserted" but it is very nice and does not feel crowded. Anyway - I like it a lot. Brian On Tuesday, July 23, 2002, at 04:25 PM, Stirling Anderson wrote: > > Hey everyone! The African and I are finally driving > again after too many months. I was wondering if > anyone knows of any nice places to camp around the Bay > Area that will be virtually deserted. It's been far > too long since I've seen the stars, and been able to > do my "Do you hear that?" "What?" "Nothing" joke.... > It's like the Bob Dylan song... "it's been so long > since I've heard peace and quiet I can't remember what [ 9 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ---------------------------------------------------------- http://www.roverme.org Land Rover Community, Links and Email Services From bens Wed Jul 24 12:46:12 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6OGkCN06555 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 12:46:12 -0400 Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 12:46:12 -0400 Message-Id: <200207241646.g6OGkC006551@minbar.fourfold.org> From: john hess To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: OT: 96 tears Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hiya, In the 80s, somebody did a remake of the Question Mark and the mysterians song 96 tears. The song began with someone slowly counting down from 96 and ended when the counting reached 0. It was fairly true to the original version and I can't remember who did it. Anyone help me? Thanks, john hess, Davis, California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Dormie web pages at http://dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/startpoint.html From bens Wed Jul 24 12:48:43 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6OGmhL06588 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 12:48:43 -0400 Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 12:48:43 -0400 Message-Id: <200207241648.g6OGmhr06584@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: new front Defender mudflaps f/s Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Brand new front mudflap kit for Defender 90/110, comes with mounting hardware. Genuine LR, original from Rovers North, still in box/bag. Was $95.00, asking $70.00. Will sell to someone on mendo first before any other list. Thanks for reading... Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 From bens Wed Jul 24 12:51:59 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6OGpxb06641 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 12:51:59 -0400 Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 12:51:59 -0400 Message-Id: <200207241651.g6OGpxx06637@minbar.fourfold.org> From: john hess To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Camping close to the Bay area? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi, I sent this back to Stirling directly. Here it is for the list: The absolute best place (quiet now) close to the bay area, is Steep Ravine envirnmental campground. It's just south of Stinson Beach and has very few spots that are always booked in advance. and you have to walk to the campsite and pitch a tent. It's worth the hassle to reserve months in advance. Start web searching from the state parks system and you'll find it. It's part of Mt Tam state park I'm pretty sure. cheers, john hess, Davis, California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Dormie web pages at http://dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/startpoint.html From bens Wed Jul 24 12:56:59 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6OGuxr06698 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 12:56:59 -0400 Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 12:56:59 -0400 Message-Id: <200207241656.g6OGux706694@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kerner, Rob" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: Buying from England is great Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html ] [ 66 lines filtered. ] This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. I always forget how much more you get for your money when you buy from England. I just got a quote for a bunch of steering stuff, brake lines, brake cylinders, a NLA mirror, for less than just the King pins here in the states for my Morris Minor. I need to start making a list and ordering from England for Regent also. -Rob From bens Wed Jul 24 13:01:31 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6OH1VS06794 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 13:01:31 -0400 Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 13:01:31 -0400 Message-Id: <200207241701.g6OH1VB06790@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Stirling Anderson To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Camping close to the Bay area? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Thanks for the input everyone. We've still got some preperations to make before we can do anything (lost my tent and backpack in a forest fire in Montana). Thanks alot for the offer TeriAnn, we'll definitly keep that in mind. Glad to hear there's some places to go that aren't too crowded. Also, what about Yosemite, there's hike in camping there isn't there?? A ten mile hike will keep most people away wouldn't it? Thanks everyone, Stirling. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From bens Wed Jul 24 13:04:53 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6OH4r106837 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 13:04:53 -0400 Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 13:04:52 -0400 Message-Id: <200207241704.g6OH4qG06833@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: OT: 96 tears Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi John, We have the one that should be an original by Question Mark and the Mysterians in our Musicmatch jukebox. I don't hear any counting down though. Would you like me to send a copy of it? Or are you only looking for the copy? Bob B At 09:46 AM 7/24/2002, you wrote: >Hiya, > >In the 80s, somebody did a remake of the Question Mark and the mysterians >song 96 tears. The song began with someone slowly counting down from 96 >and ended when the counting reached 0. It was fairly true to the original >version and I can't remember who did it. Anyone help me? > >Thanks, > [ 3 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Wed Jul 24 13:24:04 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6OHO4V07027 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 13:24:04 -0400 Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 13:24:04 -0400 Message-Id: <200207241724.g6OHO4v07023@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Casey McMullen To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Buying from England is great Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 27 lines filtered. ] Just don't order anything you need in a hurry. Last year I ordered almost 1K USD of parts (including shipping still probably 1/3 the US cost) for a tranny rebuild + much else and it took them, like, 4 weeks just to put the order together and send it off. I had to call over to England several times to find out what was stalling it. Once I got it all and picked it up at the SJ Airport I was much happy though. I'd definitely do it again, just not two months before Moab. YMMV. BTW, Rob, you had cautioned me that removing your starter dog was a dog of a job. Mine was a piece of cake with a honkin 1-7/8" socket and the old bump the starter trick. Now my front main seal is replaced and the oil should stay in the pan where it belongs. -Casey From bens Wed Jul 24 13:33:03 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6OHX3e07148 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 13:33:03 -0400 Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 13:33:03 -0400 Message-Id: <200207241733.g6OHX3m07144@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Casey McMullen To: "'jpipes@feldgrau.com'" Cc: "'brbonar@value.net'" Subject: Alternate transportation for Nevada Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Jason, In case you don't get your D110 radiator fixed in time, here is an alternate mode of transport for you and Petra. http://www.geocities.com/roverover88/pic76.jpg Just don't overpack like this guy did. From bens Wed Jul 24 13:45:17 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6OHjHA07412 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 13:45:17 -0400 Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 13:45:17 -0400 Message-Id: <200207241745.g6OHjHK07408@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: " mendo rec list" Subject: Re: Camping close to the Bay area? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >lost my tent and backpack in a forest fire in Montana If you don't mind older equipment I have some I'm planing to put up on ebay. Large canvas backpack on aluminum frame that has padded shulder straps, and hip straps, removable nylon rain cover & sleeping bag stuff bag. Svea 123 stove complete with original instructions (found them ina drawer the other day) Nylon & aluminum pole 2 person pup tent. Contact me off line if interested. I have not been on a real back packing trip since I was 46 and doubt if I'll be doing more than Land Rover camping in the future. TeriAnn Wakeman If you send me direct mail, please Santa Cruz, California start the subject line with TW - twakeman@cruzers.com I will be sure to read the message http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 From bens Wed Jul 24 14:31:00 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6OIV0k07721 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 14:31:00 -0400 Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 14:31:00 -0400 Message-Id: <200207241831.g6OIV0h07717@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Camping close to the Bay area? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- TeriAnn Wakeman wrote: > Svea 123 stove complete with original instructions (found > them ina drawer > the other day) another one? Didn't I buy a svea 123 from you when I bought the Husky chain-saw? Don't remember.... maybe I bought one somewhere else? it's sitting on my desk still getting polished up before engraving(Giving to my dad for next fathers day with an engraved thanks for all he taught us about camping and all as kids) Svea 123's are wonderfull stoves Stirling. I'd jump on this if I was you! I have four or five of them left over from the old boy scout days! ;-) Paul __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From bens Wed Jul 24 14:47:50 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6OIloT07818 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 14:47:50 -0400 Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 14:47:50 -0400 Message-Id: <200207241847.g6OIlod07814@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: " mendo rec list" Subject: Re: Camping close to the Bay area? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >another one? Didn't I buy a svea 123 from you when I bought >the Husky chain-saw? Nope. TeriAnn Wakeman If you send me direct mail, please Santa Cruz, California start the subject line with TW - twakeman@cruzers.com I will be sure to read the message http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 From bens Wed Jul 24 21:35:53 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6P1Zrg09886 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 21:35:53 -0400 Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 21:35:53 -0400 Message-Id: <200207250135.g6P1Zr909882@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Douglas W. Forehand" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: 96 DISCO for sale Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Ok folks, I have gotten no serious interest at my previous asking price so I am going to make one final offer before taking it off the market. I am willing to settle for $13,000. This really has been a good reliable truck. John Wessels (http://www.euromog.com) who is on this list has been servicing it since it went out of warranty. It is fine with me for anyone interested to contact him about the condition and value of the truck. Thanks -Doug ------------- Begin Forwarded Message ------------- Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 19:05:33 -0400 From: "Douglas W. Forehand" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: 96 DISCO for sale Hi, For some time now I have been thinking about selling my Discovery because I frankly am not using it to do anything other than commute to work. Other interests and the resulting lack of time are again motivating me to see if I can find a better home for Simba. Someone who will take him out to play on the trails as God intended. Simba has been a very reliable vehicle. I seem to have been spared many of the problems others have experienced with mid 90's Discovery's. As you can see by the list below Simba is ready for just about any trail you might want to attempt. It has been several years since I have been on any outings with the truck. Some of the older members on the list may remember Simba, and can vouch for his capabilities. Pictures Of Simba now days can be found here: http://playground.sun.com/~dwf/land-rover/Simba/ Some pictures of Simba on the trail in days gone by can be seen here: http://playground.sun.com/~dwf/land-rover/Santiago_Canyon/Canyon_run.html Thanks -Doug MILEAGE: Approximately 69300 miles. BASELINE: ======== NAS 1996 Discovery SE-7 Avalon Blue Left hand jump seat has been removed. I still have it and will include it. MODIFICATIONS ( Installation of all Safari Gard products was done at and by Safari Gard ): ======================================================== 1) Safari Gard Front bumper + front skid plate + 2 heavy lifting loops as recovery points + WARN 9000xd winch (winch control and relays just replaced) + 3 Hella 4000 lights. 2 90 degree beams, on the outside, and 1 pencil beam in the center. 2) Safari Gard Rock Sliders 3) Safari gard stage III suspension + 8-way adjustable Fox shocks + chrome-molly swing Arms + Upgraded Drivelines front and rear + Steelbraided Brakelines 4) Safari Gard rear drop kit 5) OME steering stablizer 6) Safari Gard Diff protectors front and rear 7) Safari Gard Dual optima battery instalation (just replaced the batteries, yellow tops) 8) 265/75R16 BFG ALL Terains KO (set of 5 on alloys) (NOTE: The front and rear fender wells had to be trimed a bit allow the tires to clear under full articulation. ) 9) Extra set (5) of 265/75R16 BFG Mud Terains mounted on Alloy wheels. The spare is the steel rim. 10) Safarigard rear bumper & skid plate 11) Quick disconnects for the sway bars 12) Safarigard Hi-Lift Mount (mounts on spare tire, currently unmounted) 13) QuickAir 2 compressor and installation kit (never got around to installing it) USPS: Douglas W. Forehand INTERNET: doug.forehand@Sun.Com Sun Microsystems Inc. VOICE: (408) 774-8015 901 San Antonio Road, MS USUN02-301 FAX: (408) 774-2099 Palo Alto, California 94303-4900 ------------- End Forwarded Message ------------- USPS: Douglas W. Forehand INTERNET: doug.forehand@sun.com Sun Microsystems Inc. VOICE: (408) 774-8015 MS USUN02-301 FAX: (408) 774-2099 410 N. Mary Avenue Sunnyvale, CA 94085 From bens Thu Jul 25 03:17:33 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6P7HXL13054 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 03:17:33 -0400 Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 03:17:32 -0400 Message-Id: <200207250717.g6P7HWc13050@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Tom Walsh" To: Subject: sightings Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I was traveling in Hawaii recently and heres what I spotted: On Mau'i: 2 classic Rangies ( one black, one white ) 3 Discos No D90's No Series 3 porches 2 BMW X5's several F350's Many rental jeeps A few Jags ( available as rentals via hertz ) No Mercedes of any type.a No new VW bugs lotsa rental conv mustangs and sebrings one older diesel camry On Molaka'i: No Rovers of any type ( although it would be a perfect place for a series ) a few pickups Many older Jeeps ( including old Dodge style military style trucks ) one M class Mercedes SUV ? Some Chickens :) Next up back to Kona and Honalulu in a few weeks maybe. Previously on Kua'i ( last year ): several Rangies A few Discos No series One defender TomW From bens Thu Jul 25 03:26:30 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6P7QUD13106 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 03:26:30 -0400 Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 03:26:30 -0400 Message-Id: <200207250726.g6P7QUB13102@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Tom Walsh" To: Subject: Movie Night Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org If anyone ( not going to Jason's most excelent adventure this weekend ) is looking for something to do this Saturday. Leme know! I'm planning on having a movie night/Barbecue on Sat or Sun night ( Saturday is best ).... I need an RSVP soon: And what you want to eat: Chicken Steak Veggie or ( ham ) burger ( or ... bring what you want ) what if anything to drink: Martini's or Marguirita's or watrer :) a specialty ! The wife will be at a Baby shower in our honor in Co... and I'll be celebrating here! I need a head count soon. I can provide directions and sleeping arangements if driving and drinking is an issue. Again if your on Jason's triplist... then GO!!!! elsewise we can all wish we were there, while hanging out! TomW From bens Thu Jul 25 04:43:03 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6P8h3213457 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 04:43:03 -0400 Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 04:43:02 -0400 Message-Id: <200207250843.g6P8h2013453@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Jason Pipes" To: Cc: , Subject: Final list of attendees for Nevada Desert Trip... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org These are the people that are confirmed for the Nevada event (ie, we won't leave without, we'll keep an eye out for, etc). Anyone is more than welcome to show up and join us for this trip, btw. Details have been sent to the list and are posted on norcalrover.org as well. If you are joining us but aren't on the list below be sure to show up early otherwise we won't know to wait/look for you! Jason Pipes and Petra Esterle - ?? Jon and Emily Turner - D110 Paul Snowdon - DII Charles Chuan-Chen Phu - DII Eric Johnson - RR Eric Schoenman and KC Mares - RR Armando Nieto - DI Chris De Jesus - DI Casey McMullen and Linda - SIII 88 Joe Mulqueen and Tammy - SIIA 109 Michael Bellingham SIIA 88 Maybe: Bruce Bonar and Stephanie - D90 Mehdi Saghafi - SII 88 Eduardo and Casey - DI Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com From bens Thu Jul 25 06:50:42 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6PAogP13991 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 06:50:42 -0400 Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 06:50:42 -0400 Message-Id: <200207251050.g6PAog713987@minbar.fourfold.org> From: To: Subject: ADV: buyers sellers agents loans Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; ] [ 133 lines filtered. ] charset="iso-8859-1" Home for Sale? List with us! 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During the decision making process, our Associate Christian Agent provides reliable and honest guidance to get you the best possible deal. 5. When you've decided on a property to purchase, our agent makes all the necessary preparations to ensure a trouble free transaction. To be removed from this list click here From bens Thu Jul 25 09:33:01 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6PDX1414894 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 09:33:01 -0400 Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 09:33:00 -0400 Message-Id: <200207251333.g6PDX0i14890@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Bob Frey" To: Subject: Re: Camping close to the Bay area? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Steep Ravine is great! It is very hard to get reservations for the ten camp sites and even harder for the ten primative cabins. They do allow one vehicle and give you the combination for the locked gate. It used to be a 60 day reservation window and you could get in by calling the morning that reservations opened for the date you wanted. Now it's handled by reserveamerica.com and I'm not sure how far in advance you can reserve but it could be up to a year. I apologize to TA and any other Santa Cruz denizons.... I do know that Big Basin is in Santa Cruz county. It is a huge park and this year is celebrating its one hundreth anniversary. Bob Frey > > Hi, > I sent this back to Stirling directly. Here it is for the list: > > The absolute best place (quiet now) close to the bay area, is Steep Ravine > envirnmental campground. It's just south of Stinson Beach and has very > few spots that are always booked in advance. and you have to walk to the > campsite and pitch a tent. It's worth the hassle to reserve months in > advance. Start web searching from the state parks system and you'll find [ 10 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Thu Jul 25 12:41:24 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6PGfOr16348 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 12:41:24 -0400 Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 12:41:23 -0400 Message-Id: <200207251641.g6PGfNj16344@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Franklin H. Yap" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Spray-on sound damper Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From this month's Four Wheeler - Noise Killer: A Spray-on Sound Damper www.quietnoise.com From bens Thu Jul 25 13:53:19 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6PHrJL16953 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 13:53:19 -0400 Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 13:53:19 -0400 Message-Id: <200207251753.g6PHrJd16949@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Peter Ogilvie To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: sightings Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- Tom Walsh wrote: > > I was traveling in Hawaii recently and heres what I > spotted: > 3 porches Actually, in Hawaii we call a porch a Lanai. Since they are atttached to houses, they are not likely to be spotted on the road. > On Molaka'i: > No Rovers of any type ( although it would be a > perfect place for a series ) > The Molokai Ranch had a bunch of Series trucks in the '60s. Rumor has it that they are still there, only hidden under the vegetation in someones front yard. There is supposedly a nearly new one in a valley. The driver forgot to set the emergency brake and the truck rolled over a cliff, never to be seen again. Next back to Kona and Honolulu in a few weeks > maybe. Mine and and another are the only two Series trucks on the road in Kona. A couple in Waimea and a few in Hilo are the only Series that you might possibly see. Disco's are becoming as common as Grand Cherokees, there are quite a few Classic RR's and a few RR2's running around. D90's are rare but still 4 or 5 that I see regularly. Give me a call when you get in, need pickers for the coffee. Turn it into a working vacation for you so you can write off the trip. Aloha Peter Ogilvie. 808 325-7898 > > Previously on Kauai ( last year ): > several Rangies > A few Discos > No series > One defender > > TomW > [ 1 additional quoted lines pruned. ] __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From bens Thu Jul 25 21:30:13 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6Q1UDS19485 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 21:30:13 -0400 Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 21:30:13 -0400 Message-Id: <200207260130.g6Q1UDv19481@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: New toy... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Listers, It's official! I have recently aquired a 1967 109SW! Pink slip sez that it's a '67, though it's got a 2.25 in it: rebuilt engine, rebuilt trans, new overdrive, 1bbl Weber, has a hand throttle, Kodiak heater, tropical top, original limestone paint, and remains of original interior...it runs VERY smooth! Interior is okay, but has a few rips in the seats, and has 15" wheels, however I have a set of 16's that I can put on it. There's also the rear bedfull of new parts that went with it! The truck has a Washington pink slip, and it's said that the truck is originally from Canada, though the chassis is pretty clean. It apparently was a minor restoration that was 99.999% completed when the owner passed away - though it was never registered in Ca. If I'm lucky, I'll have the new Ca. plates tomorrow, and drive it to the Ventura Brit car meet this Sunday. So far, the only bugs in it are a bad headlight switch, and a broken drivers' side windshield - both of which I've already picked up from BP. Charles - doing the happy dance ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Thu Jul 25 22:23:03 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6Q2N3H19704 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 22:23:03 -0400 Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 22:23:02 -0400 Message-Id: <200207260223.g6Q2N2419700@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Tom Walsh" To: Subject: Re: Movie Night Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Just to be clear... if your remotely thinking of doing Jasons adventure... then go for it! if your stuck around here like me then come on up Saturday afternoon/night!! I have a fridge full of Filet Mignon, Chicken, a big screen TV and large movie selection... and it'll will be close to a full moon so our excelent views will be at there best! PS: I'm "bach'n" it this weekend as the wifes is in Co! > > If anyone ( not going to Jason's most lent adventure this weekend ) is > looking for something to do this Saturday. Leme know! > I'm planning on having a movie night/Barbecue on Sat or Sun night ( Saturday > is best ).... > > I need an RSVP soon: > And what you want to eat: > > Chicken > Steak > Veggie or ( ham ) burger ( or ... bring what you want ) > [ 9 additional quoted lines pruned. ] is > an issue. > > Again if your on Jason's triplist... then GO!!!! elsewise we can all wish > we were there, while hanging out! > > TomW > > From bens Thu Jul 25 22:33:20 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6Q2XKT19771 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 22:33:20 -0400 Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 22:33:20 -0400 Message-Id: <200207260233.g6Q2XKx19767@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Tom Walsh" To: Subject: Re: New toy... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org good for you! TomW > Listers, > > It's official! > > I have recently aquired a 1967 109SW! Pink slip sez that it's a '67, From bens Thu Jul 25 23:02:57 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6Q32v619910 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 23:02:57 -0400 Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 23:02:57 -0400 Message-Id: <200207260302.g6Q32v719906@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Mehdi Saghafi To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Spray-on sound damper Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I can not find a spray type in thier site!! What is the name? Also your parts came today. Time to fix the rover!! Mehdi From bens Fri Jul 26 00:00:24 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6Q40OD20270 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 00:00:24 -0400 Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 00:00:23 -0400 Message-Id: <200207260400.g6Q40Nd20266@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Russ Wilson To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: New toy... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Listers, > >It's official! > >I have recently aquired a 1967 109SW! Pink slip sez that it's a '67, >though it's got a 2.25 in it: rebuilt engine, rebuilt trans, new >overdrive, 1bbl Weber, has a hand throttle, Kodiak heater, tropical top, >original limestone paint, and remains of original interior...it runs VERY >smooth! It's all true... every sick word of it. I was with him on this theft... No pretty word for it. Theft, plain and simple. Deal of the century has a better ring but... Very nice, clean unmolested 109 wagon. Now I have a complete original example to look at while I put mine back together. Mo was with us on this adventure as well, care to add anything Mo? RW -- "Your friend is the one you call to bail you out of jail. Your best friend is the one sitting next to you saying,'Dude, that was awesome!" From bens Fri Jul 26 00:02:06 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6Q426I20290 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 00:02:06 -0400 Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 00:02:05 -0400 Message-Id: <200207260402.g6Q425020286@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Tom Walsh" To: Cc: Subject: sightings Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I saw my 1st H2 Hummer on the road the other day! Kinda neat, alot skinnier than a "real" Hummer :) The wife didn't like it ( she was prolly CYA'ing so I wouldn't run out and buy one :) which I wouldn't! back to your regularly scheduled programs! TomW From bens Fri Jul 26 00:03:47 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6Q43l120317 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 00:03:47 -0400 Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 00:03:47 -0400 Message-Id: <200207260403.g6Q43lJ20313@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Jason Osborne" To: Subject: RE: New toy... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 16 lines filtered. ] Cool! I may want to meet you there with my 109. J2. From bens Fri Jul 26 00:31:02 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6Q4V2k21520 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 00:31:02 -0400 Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 00:31:00 -0400 Message-Id: <200207260431.g6Q4V0S21516@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Peter Hope" To: Subject: Re: New toy... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > >I have recently aquired a 1967 109SW! Pink slip sez that it's a '67, > >though it's got a 2.25 in it: rebuilt engine, rebuilt trans, new Washington receipt? Hmm, did you find it in WA. I am on the trail of 2 5 doors right now. One legaly on the road, great runner and a great body, no engine. Pete From bens Fri Jul 26 01:01:54 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6Q51s922072 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 01:01:54 -0400 Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 01:01:54 -0400 Message-Id: <200207260501.g6Q51sG22068@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Tom Walsh" To: Cc: Subject: off topic, if you wanna live over silicon valley Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I am selling my ( rover compatible ) house over silicon valley, the house sits on over an acre but I own 10 acres of 1200 acres and 120 homes.... the rest is a preserve which "IS" roverable :) IE: over 1000 acres of roverable open space, this goes with the house! Very Unique for this area!! http://www.apr.com/home.asp?mls=234854 TomW, onto San Dieago! From bens Fri Jul 26 01:34:43 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6Q5Yhw22229 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 01:34:43 -0400 Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 01:34:43 -0400 Message-Id: <200207260534.g6Q5Yh422219@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: New toy... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Washington pink slip: the truck has been in Ca. for some time (3-4 years), but never registered here...just been worked on. I actually found the truck in Pomona: it was one of the trucks that TeriAnn posted last week (THANKS!!!!!!!!). Charles On Fri, 26 Jul 2002 00:31:00 -0400 "Peter Hope" writes: > > > Washington receipt? > > Hmm, did you find it in WA. > I am on the trail of 2 5 doors right now. One legaly on the road, > great > runner and a great body, no engine. > Pete ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Fri Jul 26 01:34:43 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6Q5Yh822230 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 01:34:43 -0400 Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 01:34:43 -0400 Message-Id: <200207260534.g6Q5Yhn22216@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: New toy... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Oh - come on, Russ: I DO have some work to do before I drive it: 1. Charge battery 2. replace rear muffler with new one supplied with truck (ran the truck before making the deal, and nearly passed out from the fumes!) 3. replace cracked drivers' side windshield 4. replace headlight switch 5. install spare tire mount 6. Install air cleaner & tune carb 7. vehicle verification (to get the new plates!) 8. check all fluids 9. give it a bath(!) If all goes well I'll have all this done tomorrow, and that'll give me Saturday to work on Gillian. I do have one small delimma...I have this set of Wolf wheels, and I'm undecided as to which truck to put them on: since Gillian is my main off-roader, I'm leaning towards her. Best part of the whole deal - Janet gave her approval, and can't wait to drive it! Charles On Fri, 26 Jul 2002 00:00:23 -0400 Russ Wilson writes: > > > It's all true... every sick word of it. I was with him on this > theft... No pretty word for it. Theft, plain and simple. Deal of > the century has a better ring but... Very nice, clean unmolested > > 109 wagon. Now I have a complete original example to look at while > I > put mine back together. Mo was with us on this adventure as well, [ 8 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Fri Jul 26 01:34:43 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6Q5YhX22228 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 01:34:43 -0400 Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 01:34:42 -0400 Message-Id: <200207260534.g6Q5Ygo22213@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: New toy... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org J2: I think we've already met before...did you do the Mojave Road run a few years ago??? At any rate, if I don't get the truck verified tomorrow, I'll at least show up to walk around by way of Rangie: Gillian is getting there, but still lotsa stuff that I'd LIKE to get done before driving her again. This new one I'd like to play with for at least a day before taking it on any long-ish trips, just to make sure that it won't blow up on me out in the boonies. I don't think that it will, but I'd still like to be certain. Besides, I have to do Russ the favor of removing the single jerrycan mount from the rear door, and installing a spare tire mount! Charles On Fri, 26 Jul 2002 00:03:47 -0400 "Jason Osborne" writes: > > Cool! > > I may want to meet you there with my 109. > > J2. > > ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Fri Jul 26 04:58:01 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6Q8w1p23155 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 04:58:01 -0400 Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 04:58:01 -0400 Message-Id: <200207260858.g6Q8w1N23151@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Reno! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org We got the new radiator today, AMAZINGLY, as NO ONE in the entire US had one anywhere... I think we managed to find the only existing esr204 in this country. We'll install it when we get back, we simply didn't have time today. We left with Armando in Higgins this evening after loading it up and we arrived in Reno not long ago. We've been hanging out since - it's late now, yes! Counted seven Rovers in the parking lot and expect more tomorrow morning. Have a great weekend everyone, NCRC tackles the Nevada outback in 6 hours! Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 From bens Fri Jul 26 10:12:35 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6QECZb24630 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 10:12:35 -0400 Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 10:12:35 -0400 Message-Id: <200207261412.g6QECZV24626@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: " mendo rec list" Subject: Re: New toy... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > it was one of the trucks that TeriAnn posted last >week (THANKS!!!!!!!!). Except for the front bumper & maybe the inner door panels it looked complete from the pictures. Congrats on having a drivable 109 again! Try & keep this one below 100 MPH..OK 8*0 What about the 88? Your 109 was one of a mismatched pair. TeriAnn Wakeman If you send me direct mail, please Santa Cruz, California start the subject line with TW - twakeman@cruzers.com I will be sure to read the message http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 From bens Fri Jul 26 10:13:58 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6QEDwl24648 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 10:13:58 -0400 Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 10:13:57 -0400 Message-Id: <200207261413.g6QEDvY24644@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Turner, Jon [LFS]" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Reno! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 104 lines filtered. ] This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. charset="iso-8859-1" Hey Jason - Wow, we thought we were running late when we arrived at 11:30pm! Glad you made it and successfully found the radiator, sorry 165 didn't make it. See you in 45 minutes outside! Jon Jon Turner '01 RR 4.6 HSE '93 NAS 110 412/500 From bens Fri Jul 26 11:32:02 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6QFW2D25134 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 11:32:02 -0400 Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 11:32:02 -0400 Message-Id: <200207261532.g6QFW2O25130@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Franklin H. Yap" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Spray-on sound damper Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi Mehdi, Thanks for the parts. The name is Noise Killer. There is a photo of it being applied in the magazine. I'll drop off the article to you this weekend. btw, there is an air show at Moffet this weekend and I promised Brendan I'd take him. Frank -------------------------------- Mehdi Saghafi wrote: >I can not find a spray type in thier site!! What is the name? Also your >parts came today. Time to fix the rover!! >Mehdi > > From bens Fri Jul 26 12:29:07 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6QGT7x25559 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 12:29:07 -0400 Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 12:29:06 -0400 Message-Id: <200207261629.g6QGT6625534@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: New toy... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org On Fri, 26 Jul 2002 10:12:35 -0400 TeriAnn Wakeman writes: > > > Except for the front bumper & maybe the inner door panels it looked > complete from the pictures. Oh - they found the front bumper afterwards...also found the splash pan. They were removed because the owner Hammerited the dumb irons (nearly the whole chassis!), and also welded the bottom of the breakfast: there IS some rust on this truck, being from Washington, but the stuff that wasn't fixed is minimal, while the stuff that was fixed won't be a problem again for years to come. > Congrats on having a drivable 109 again! Try & keep this one below > 100 > MPH..OK 8*0 This is just a petrol engine: I don't think its realm of tuning allows it to go fast...:) (then again, I do have the Gomes diesel in the yard, and there's an overdrive...) > What about the 88? Your 109 was one of a mismatched pair. The 88" - I have to be honest in that I didn't really take that close of a look at it, though from what I understand it needs a rear crossmember, and some patching to the bulkhead. It's a driver, though, and it also has a tropical top, and upper & lower tailgate (the later upper tailgate that opens/closes on tracks!). I think either Russ or Mo took it for a drive??? There's a slight chance that I'd be able to take another look at it - if I do, I'll let everybody know exactly what it needs. I have to admit - I have to thank Karen Sindir for my being able to get this truck: my girlfriend and I went on a Big Bear trip with Karen, and the off-road bug bit my girlfriend in a big way! She wanted me to look at the 88" (she wants a D90), but after my horror stories about no legroom (I'm 6'2", and she's 5'9") and her going for a ride in the one for sale...she didn't like the proximity between her knees, and the metal dash. we both know where there is a D90 that we may be able to get cheap (in the teens...I've known the owner for many years) that has everything, but other costly things are in the way - like getting a place to store all my cars when I move to Visalia! Also, my girlfriends' biz is booming (window coverings), and she needs storage space like, yesterday. When I told her what the 109 looked like as well as the price, she didn't bat an eye when she said "buy it!". As a show of good faith, I sold both my Cortinas to Alvin, the SD1 guru (sorry Mr. Mugele): this way, I have gained one running vehicle, and sold off two dead ones...less things to tow to Visalia. Besides, I ran out of parking space here! Charles ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Fri Jul 26 12:29:07 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6QGT7b25557 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 12:29:07 -0400 Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 12:29:06 -0400 Message-Id: <200207261629.g6QGT6K25541@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: The Nevada run... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Jason, have a ball on this run!!! I just came back from Reno yesterday, and the weather was great, and is supposed to remain great for several days. Timing is good, because Hot August Nights is starting VERY soon, and there won't be a hotel room available anywhere near Reno! Charles ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Fri Jul 26 12:29:07 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6QGT7M25556 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 12:29:07 -0400 Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 12:29:06 -0400 Message-Id: <200207261629.g6QGT6Y25542@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Nevada Desert Trip(Keith) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Keith, I just caught your message while going through my emails! I hope all is well: I know what you're going through, because in the last 17 years my dad has had 2 strokes, and 3 heart attacks...he himself was in the hospital last week, because he had problems breathing. (they're now calling it congestive heart failure, and his diabetes was a side-effect of his initial medication after the first stroke) Charles - not losing weight yet, but keeping active ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Fri Jul 26 12:29:07 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6QGT7X25558 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 12:29:07 -0400 Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 12:29:06 -0400 Message-Id: <200207261629.g6QGT6N25543@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Movie Night Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org ...I this in Los Gatos, or San Diego??? Charles - in L.A., and thikning of the Black Flag tune "T.V. Party"...:) On Thu, 25 Jul 2002 22:23:02 -0400 "Tom Walsh" writes: > > Just to be clear... if your remotely thinking of doing Jasons > adventure... > then go for it! if your stuck around here like me then come on up > Saturday > afternoon/night!! I have a fridge full of Filet Mignon, Chicken, a > big > screen TV and large movie selection... and it'll will be close to a > full [ 33 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Fri Jul 26 16:07:07 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6QK77A26974 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 16:07:07 -0400 Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 16:07:06 -0400 Message-Id: <200207262007.g6QK76J26970@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Tom Walsh" To: Subject: Re: Movie Night Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Still in Los Gatos! TomW ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles R Irvin" To: Sent: Friday, July 26, 2002 9:29 AM Subject: Re: Movie Night > > ...I this in Los Gatos, or San Diego??? > > Charles - in L.A., and thikning of the Black Flag tune "T.V. Party"...:) > > On Thu, 25 Jul 2002 22:23:02 -0400 "Tom Walsh" > writes: > > > > Just to be clear... if your remotely thinking of doing Jasons [ 16 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Fri Jul 26 19:46:37 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6QNkbQ28124 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 19:46:37 -0400 Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 19:46:36 -0400 Message-Id: <200207262346.g6QNkaI28120@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Fil F." To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Spray-on sound damper Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org frank, i might show up for the show on sunday, if u go, monitor 146.500 fil kg6hiq i was just watching ATV last nite, looks fun >From: "Franklin H. Yap" >Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Subject: Re: Spray-on sound damper >Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 11:32:02 -0400 > >Hi Mehdi, > >Thanks for the parts. The name is Noise Killer. There is a photo of it [ 20 additional quoted lines pruned. ] _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From bens Fri Jul 26 20:33:29 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6R0XTx28459 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 20:33:29 -0400 Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 20:33:29 -0400 Message-Id: <200207270033.g6R0XTa28455@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Tom Walsh" To: Subject: hanging out tonight also Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hey! We're up here eating steaks and drinking beer tonight also! Gimme a ring ( 408 ) 354-1745 if you're interested! TomW From bens Fri Jul 26 22:36:01 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6R2a1529161 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 22:36:01 -0400 Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 22:36:00 -0400 Message-Id: <200207270236.g6R2a0g29157@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: hanging out & the new 109 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I'd love to...but am too far away! :( Oh well...got the 109 registered today - one day, and relatively painless, except for the $210.00 to transfer it into Kalifornia! (should have told them it was in my yard the last 20 years, and it only would have cost me $40.00) Got the drivers' side windshield replaced! Also removed the jerrycan holder for Russ. Still have the headlight switch, and the rear muffler to do, and then I'll put the newly-charged battery back and see what the electrics are like. Maybe I'll be driving it tomorrow, if I'm lucky. This thing was still wired positive ground! Charles ...May even have time to finish up Gillian tomorrow! On Fri, 26 Jul 2002 20:33:29 -0400 "Tom Walsh" writes: > > Hey! > We're up here eating steaks and drinking beer tonight also! > Gimme a ring ( 408 ) 354-1745 if you're interested! > > TomW > ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Sat Jul 27 01:21:41 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6R5LfJ31248 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 27 Jul 2002 01:21:41 -0400 Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 01:21:41 -0400 Message-Id: <200207270521.g6R5Lf331244@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Keith Shukait To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Dad Update Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org All, My dad's home from the hospital and under the watchful eye of mom and his cardiologist. He's got a handful of meds, therapy and is taking it easy. It was a very small section of his heart and with meds, diet and exercise he should be fine. Charles let me know what meds caused the diabetes. Thanks for you thoughts everyone, Keith & Pam From bens Sat Jul 27 04:53:29 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6R8rTk32110 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 27 Jul 2002 04:53:29 -0400 Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 04:53:29 -0400 Message-Id: <200207270853.g6R8rTl32106@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Dad Update Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Great to hear he'll be ok. As our parents start getting older, we are all realizing how fragile life is and how important they really are to us! Hopefully he will still have another twenty-thirty years after this scare for your family's sake! Paul --- Keith Shukait wrote: > > All, > > My dad's home from the hospital and under the watchful > eye of mom and > his cardiologist. He's got a handful of meds, therapy > and is taking it > easy. It was a very small section of his heart and with > meds, diet and [ 8 additional quoted lines pruned. ] __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From bens Sat Jul 27 15:51:49 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6RJpnR02337 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 27 Jul 2002 15:51:49 -0400 Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 15:51:49 -0400 Message-Id: <200207271951.g6RJpnR02333@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Tom Walsh" To: Subject: Re: Dad Update Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > > All, > > My dad's home from the hospital and under the watchful eye of mom and > his cardiologist. He's got a handful of meds, therapy and is taking it > easy. It was a very small section of his heart and with meds, diet and > exercise he should be fine. Charles let me know what meds caused the > diabetes. > [ 5 additional quoted lines pruned. ] Glad to hear things are going better! TomW From bens Sat Jul 27 19:33:35 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6RNXZD03297 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 27 Jul 2002 19:33:35 -0400 Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 19:33:34 -0400 Message-Id: <200207272333.g6RNXYB03293@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Julian Kwasneski To: Subject: Tough Rover Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I found this picture I thought some of you might enjoy. http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&u=/020727/168/1xhnm.html&e=16&n cid=708 From bens Sun Jul 28 11:15:59 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6SFFx808879 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 28 Jul 2002 11:15:59 -0400 Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 11:15:59 -0400 Message-Id: <200207281515.g6SFFxS08875@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Benjamin Smith To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: LRO in LA asking for help Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Sent to mendo-owner instead of the list... Ben ------- Forwarded Message To: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 22:40:11 -0700 Subject: Help Series III From: Chris Whitehead Hi, I am Land Rover owner from Arizona and we just picked up a Series IIIs from South Africa-was shipped here by us. It seems to be working fine, except it is running hot and we need to leave Sunday for Arizona. We have had the radiator flushed, new caps installed. They took out the thermostat as it was badly rusted. The radiator has a core that runs across rather than up and down. The temp guage ran at just below the H zone when I took it on the freeway, but reached the H zone in city traffic. At this stage we are not sure what to do-my wife and two young children are with me. Is there any suggestions you can give or assistance you can offer. I used to be a member of "lro" email list and knew that there was alist of people who could help sent out, but I have no access to that list right now. I will not be on email again so I can be contacted at 480-326-8590 (my Arizona cell phone)- my phone is on all the time and early calls are no problem. I am currently staying at the Dolphin Cove in Anaheim as we paired up the trip to collect this vehicle with a visit to Disney for the kids. Help!! Chris Whitehead 1966 Series IIa 88inch Series III LWB (109) station wagon (3 dr) ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ------- End of Forwarded Message From bens Sun Jul 28 15:04:08 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6SJ48L09993 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 28 Jul 2002 15:04:08 -0400 Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 15:04:08 -0400 Message-Id: <200207281904.g6SJ48J09989@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Brian Foster" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Trying to help Chris... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I am trying to help Chris Whitehead. He and the family made it to Indio, CA. UHaul will not loan me a trailer since they have no record of older Land Rovers. I am willing to let Chris borrow my 3/4-ton Suburban, but we are stuck trying to find a trailer that can go 1-way to Arizona. I am in Irvine CA. My phone (cell) is (949) 212-0125. I am on digest, so try and contact me direct if guys/gals have any ideas how we can help Chris. I can get the Suburban out to him, but they will have to return me to Irvine before starting out. Brian _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From bens Sun Jul 28 19:44:23 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6SNiNB11251 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 28 Jul 2002 19:44:23 -0400 Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 19:44:23 -0400 Message-Id: <200207282344.g6SNiNP11247@minbar.fourfold.org> From: nicholas harteau To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Trying to help Chris... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org A suggestion: UHaul's trailer policy is pretty dumb; make the reservation online and claim you're towing a 6cyl camaro with a Chevy Suburban, go pick the trailer up with the Suburban and switch crap around as necessary. UHaul didn't want to let me tow my rangie on one of their flatbeds, they claimed it was too heavy. they claim a 5900lb trailer weight minus 2000lbs for the trailer, or some such BS. Their restrictions are all based on the weights of the cars, not the models, though some clerk isn't going to know that. This of course completely violates any insurance you'd have towing the stuff. Brian Foster wrote: > > I am trying to help Chris Whitehead. He and the family made it to Indio, CA. > UHaul will not loan me a trailer since they have no record of older Land > Rovers. I am willing to let Chris borrow my 3/4-ton Suburban, but we are > stuck trying to find a trailer that can go 1-way to Arizona. I am in Irvine > CA. My phone (cell) is (949) 212-0125. > > I am on digest, so try and contact me direct if guys/gals have any ideas how > we can help Chris. [ 8 additional quoted lines pruned. ] -- nicholas harteau nrh@ikami.com From bens Sun Jul 28 22:03:37 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6T23bj11896 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 28 Jul 2002 22:03:37 -0400 Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 22:03:37 -0400 Message-Id: <200207290203.g6T23br11892@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: Mendo Subject: desperately need one used BFG 265-75-16 all-terrain! ;-( Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org It's a stock defender tire from a '97 d-90 BFG 265-75-16 120/1160 m+S All-terrain I was just working on replacing my outer left rear shock mount on the disco, and noticed from under the rig, that there is a large cut/crack? on my right rear tire! Not sure how long it's been there, or how deep it is. It's straight down from tread towards the rim... I took it off to look, and was going to install the spare for now which is un-used, but as that is taller than the worn left side, I don't want to mess up the drive-train with a difference in circumference which is 5/32 The tire with teh cut has 11/32 of tread depth the spare has 1/2 tread Does anyone happen to have a same-sized take-off from getting fresh tires laying around? any hepl appreciated greatly. How sturdy are thses BFG sidewalls? will it be okay to drive a couple hundred miles on it or is it toast? I've driven on tires with sidewall crasks for years, but thought I heard that the bfg tires have thin sidewalls? waddya all think? Paul __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From bens Sun Jul 28 23:15:58 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6T3Fw212225 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 28 Jul 2002 23:15:58 -0400 Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 23:15:58 -0400 Message-Id: <200207290315.g6T3FwD12221@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: " mendo rec list" Subject: Re: desperately need one used BFG 265-75-16 all-terrain! ;-( Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >It's a stock defender tire from a '97 d-90 >BFG 265-75-16 120/1160 m+S All-terrain I have a legal BFG 265-75-16 mud terrain that was the best from my last set of tyres and currently better than anything I have under the Rover. Got something to trade? I need some welding done. TeriAnn Wakeman If you send me direct mail, please Santa Cruz, California start the subject line with TW - twakeman@cruzers.com I will be sure to read the message http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 From bens Mon Jul 29 00:11:41 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6T4BfE13190 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 00:11:41 -0400 Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 00:11:41 -0400 Message-Id: <200207290411.g6T4BfP13186@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Shane Ballensky To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: desperately need one used BFG 265-75-16 all-terrain! ;-( Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > >It's a stock defender tire from a '97 d-90 > >BFG 265-75-16 120/1160 m+S All-terrain > >I have a legal BFG 265-75-16 mud terrain that was the best from my last >set of tyres and currently better than anything I have under the Rover. I also have one BFG mud t/a 265/75/r16 with approx 75% $50.00 to Paul first if he wants it or anyone else on the list if he doesn't. Shane From bens Mon Jul 29 00:31:19 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6T4VJi14048 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 00:31:19 -0400 Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 00:31:17 -0400 Message-Id: <200207290431.g6T4VHA14036@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Ventura Brit car show Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Folks, Janet and I made it to the show with the newly-aquired 109SW, to find a decent Land Rover turnout: Daniel and Mo probably have an exact count, but I'd guesstimate about 15 trucks in all. Jason Osborne made it there, as did Mo, Daniel, Karen Sindir & family, Tim from BP, and others. The 109 ran flawlessly on the way there, but upon departing to return home, it unleashed its ugly bag of tricks on us...the (afternarket) starter solenoid jammed while trying to start the truck(!!! - thank God for quick-release battery terminals!!!), and it turned out to be a loose wire (the battery is now disconnected until I replace the solenoid - just in case...), then, while doing the climb out of Camarillo on the 101 eastbound, the generator warning light came on - and remained on until I was on the 110 south passing the coleseum, where it went out, and the generator began charging again! I'm presuming that this happened as a result of playing with the starter solenoid, but since I have an alternator bracket on the Dave G. engine - along with an alternator............................(may as well, right?) As for the rest of the truck, no oil leaks, no noises that shouldn't be there, and I actually got decent mileage...10 gallons from Compton to Ventura, and back...about 160 miles round trip! (I am going to double check this, because I don't believe it) There are a few vibrations that don't feel right - could be the tires, I don't know... Was good to meet people that I've been emailing for a long time. Charles ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Mon Jul 29 00:31:21 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6T4VLR14053 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 00:31:21 -0400 Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 00:31:17 -0400 Message-Id: <200207290431.g6T4VHT14037@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Trying to help Chris... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I just talked with Brian, then talked with Chris (I have a towbar that bolts to a Series bumper via sandwich plates, and decided to call him soon as I saw Ben's post): Chris is in Phoenix...he was able to get a U-Haul truck & trailer, and towed the 109 home. At present he's helping a friend move, and won't be home until later tonight. He did ask me to forward his thanks to all that responded, and that he's going to have the radiator looked at/replaced. Charles On Sun, 28 Jul 2002 15:04:08 -0400 "Brian Foster" writes: > > I am trying to help Chris Whitehead. He and the family made it to > Indio, CA. > UHaul will not loan me a trailer since they have no record of older > Land > Rovers. I am willing to let Chris borrow my 3/4-ton Suburban, but we > are > stuck trying to find a trailer that can go 1-way to Arizona. I am in > Irvine [ 16 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Mon Jul 29 00:32:06 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6T4W6b14082 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 00:32:06 -0400 Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 00:32:05 -0400 Message-Id: <200207290432.g6T4W5q14078@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Tom Walsh" To: Subject: Re: desperately need one used BFG 265-75-16 all-terrain! ;-( Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Mid week ( say Thursday )get both your butts up here! TeriAnn can bring the tire, and we'll have a welding festival.. What needs welding? Paul, put the spare on its the same size! tire wear is irrelavant! TomW ----- Original Message ----- From: "TeriAnn Wakeman" To: " mendo rec list" Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2002 8:15 PM Subject: Re: desperately need one used BFG 265-75-16 all-terrain! ;-( > > >It's a stock defender tire from a '97 d-90 > >BFG 265-75-16 120/1160 m+S All-terrain > > I have a legal BFG 265-75-16 mud terrain that was the best from my last > set of tyres and currently better than anything I have under the Rover. > > Got something to trade? I need some welding done. > [ 10 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Mon Jul 29 10:04:24 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6TE4O216847 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 10:04:24 -0400 Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 10:04:23 -0400 Message-Id: <200207291404.g6TE4NI16843@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: desperately need one used BFG 265-75-16 all-terrain! ;-( Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Paul, Are you really looking for another used tire with exactly the same amount of tread wear as the one you have? In a 31" tire, 5/32 difference in tread depth = one tenth of one percent difference in rolling radius. This is assuming the tire on the opposite side has the same tread depth as the cut one. Trust me dude, those diffs have seen a LOT worse abuse. It's more dangerous to drive around on the cut tire than to put the out-sized spare on. -Dave G. From bens Mon Jul 29 10:11:00 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6TEB0Z16906 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 10:11:00 -0400 Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 10:11:00 -0400 Message-Id: <200207291411.g6TEB0Z16902@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Ventura Brit car show Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Don't forget to do whatever changes are required to go to - earth if you go to the alternator. The one on the diesel is one of the higher-rate Delcos though, 85 amp I think. Wiring details are on the last frame at: http://www.d-90.com/~daveg/alternator/main.html -Dave G. From bens Mon Jul 29 10:29:27 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6TETRW17009 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 10:29:27 -0400 Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 10:29:27 -0400 Message-Id: <200207291429.g6TETRe17005@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: " mendo rec list" Subject: Re: desperately need one used BFG 265-75-16 all-terrain! ;-( Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > >Mid week ( say Thursday )get both your butts up here! TeriAnn can bring the >tire, and we'll have a welding festival.. >What needs welding? 1. bracket for my windscreen washer bottle 2. A baffle on th eunderside of my transfer case top inspection plate 3. Front diff protector to diff housing. A couple spot welds. The front diff bulge on an early series II axle housing does not stick out far enough for a protector to get a good clamp. It has fallen off twice so far whilst on the trail. I figure a couple of tack welds would do the trick. 4. I have a steel kerosene can that broke a weld (a few years back so no kerosene) 5. tail gate hinge Thursday would work. TeriAnn Wakeman If you send me direct mail, please Santa Cruz, California start the subject line with TW - twakeman@cruzers.com I will be sure to read the message http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 From bens Mon Jul 29 10:37:17 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6TEbHM17072 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 10:37:17 -0400 Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 10:37:17 -0400 Message-Id: <200207291437.g6TEbHE17068@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: desperately need one used BFG 265-75-16 all-terrain! ;-( Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org TeriAnn, Shane... I'm running all terrain not mud terrain bfg's so mixing woundn't be good.....but I may later need one for the other set of muds that are on series rims on side of garage. one has a hole in it..with a nail that should be fixable, but if not, or for a sixth on my last spare rim... Tom, i'm up in Santa Rosa for a few days, but should be back by wed night so thursday sounds like a good welding day. I replaced the bolt on the shock so I could drive.(It was 98 precent sheared through and rusted so been broken for years from the look, same with the weld) ;-) didn't have time to even try welding it yet.... Dave,Tom, I guess I'll put on the spare after breakfast and not worry about the diameter difference. ....but...if anyone does find a bfg a/t let me know pls... Paul --- Tom Walsh wrote: > > Mid week ( say Thursday )get both your butts up here! > TeriAnn can bring the > tire, and we'll have a welding festival.. > What needs welding? > Paul, put the spare on its the same size! tire wear is > irrelavant! > > TomW [ 21 additional quoted lines pruned. ] __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From bens Mon Jul 29 14:42:34 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6TIgYF18663 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 14:42:34 -0400 Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 14:42:34 -0400 Message-Id: <200207291842.g6TIgYU18659@minbar.fourfold.org> From: joe mulqueen To: cirvin1258@juno.com, mendo Subject: New toy... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Charles, Is/was it a Posi or Neg ground truck? The wiper style is a quick telltale. My posi ground 2.25L truck was built in Sept '66, sold new in Jacksonville, FL and is registered as a '67. JoeM '67 SIIA 109 SW (converted to neg ground) Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 21:30:13 -0400 From: Charles R Irvin Subject: New toy... Listers, It's official! I have recently aquired a 1967 109SW! Pink slip sez that it's a '67, though it's got a 2.25 in it __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From bens Mon Jul 29 15:26:14 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6TJQER19269 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 15:26:14 -0400 Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 15:26:14 -0400 Message-Id: <200207291926.g6TJQEM19265@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Spencer Knight" To: Subject: engine replacement Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Well, I have hit a teeny little stumbling block. Specifically, the front cover of the 4.0 engine in the RR is different from that in the Disco, and I can't get the fan or the crankshaft pully off without the tool which holds those pieces stationary while the nut is turned, so I can't get the cover off. I was told this before I bought the engine, but I didn't fully understand what was being told to me. Ignorance, it turns out, is NOT bliss! Made a lot of progress Sat. though, was able to transfer the fuel rail, injectors, and wiring harness from the old engine to the new engine. Constant forward motion. Can anybody give me any suggestions as to where I might find the tools I need to hold the pulley stationary? It must be something with 2 pins for the one and 3 pins for the other which go into corresponding holes on the pulleys themselves. Any thoughts? Thanks, Spencer From bens Mon Jul 29 16:14:16 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6TKEGW19646 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 16:14:16 -0400 Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 16:14:15 -0400 Message-Id: <200207292014.g6TKEF119642@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: " mendo rec list" Subject: Re: engine replacement Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >I can't >get the fan or the crankshaft pully off without the tool which holds those >pieces stationary while the nut is turned, so I can't get the cover off. I've found an impact tool often can get the nut off in these situations. The force is applied for too short of time to overcome the rest momentum of the engine. Try either an electric or air impact wrench before doing something drastic. TeriAnn Wakeman If you send me direct mail, please Santa Cruz, California start the subject line with TW - twakeman@cruzers.com I will be sure to read the message http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 From bens Mon Jul 29 16:33:41 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6TKXfw19747 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 16:33:41 -0400 Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 16:33:41 -0400 Message-Id: <200207292033.g6TKXf719743@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: engine replacement Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Ditto TAW, impact should do fine. But if you need it, the tool you're after is called a "face pin spanner" and a generic, adjustable one is available from many common tool sources, if something that looks like this would work: http://buy.snapon.com/catalog/OBJECTS/21600/21532.JPG Do your own search at snapon.com, they have quite a few of them. The pictured one lists for about $25. Sears may have them for less, but this is one of those tools where it will pay to buy the best quality you can as the whole system (wrenching on pins in holes) is pretty marginal and the tool quality will make the difference between a job over and done really painlessly, and an afternoon of cursing. A particularly nice one is the Honda tool I got for working on my bikes. If I were closer, I'd swing by with it. The tool seems expensive, but this one I have has turned out to save my butt many a time. It works great any time you need to hold a flange steady (diff? t-case? axles?), where you can just put the pins into the bolt holes in the flange vs trying to find that big a$$ pipe wrench to bugger up the outside of the flange with. :^) -Dave G. From bens Mon Jul 29 22:17:58 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6U2HwH21717 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 22:17:58 -0400 Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 22:17:58 -0400 Message-Id: <200207300217.g6U2HwJ21713@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Turner, Jon [LFS]" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: Mysterious 110 radiator disease Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; ] [ 46 lines filtered. ] This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. charset="iso-8859-1" First Jason and now me. Well, not so mysterious for me anyway - when your plastic fan blades shatter and impale the radiator it's no surprise that the radiator is holed. Thanks to some radiator repair gunk from Casey we got the radiator to hold water again. This was a plus since we were pretty far into the Nevada desert on Jason's most excellent trip. Not having a fan made driving a little more adventurous, especially given the desert heat and trail conditions. But the good news is that we made it home without any great problem, and I had been planning on looking at the cooling system since it was running a little hotter than I would like, anyways. So now I'm going to get the radiator re-cored and change over to electric fans for cooling. Anybody done that? There is some good commentary on d-90.com, so I will probably just follow their advice. Thanks, Jon Jon Turner '01 RR 4.6 HSE '93 NAS 110 412/500 From bens Tue Jul 30 00:16:08 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6U4G8V23735 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 00:16:08 -0400 Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 00:16:05 -0400 Message-Id: <200207300416.g6U4G5m23731@minbar.fourfold.org> From: James Howard To: Mendo list Subject: One's sadness is another's joy. Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org The crying is over. This afternoon I handed over my pride and joy, the Series III, for a big check and a stack of $100 bills. I spent the last week fixing little things on her, so that she was in better condition than she had been for years. As I cruised down I-40 for her last drive from work, I wondered why it took me so long to fix the overdrive pivot bolt. This must be a preview of how you feel when you child goes off to college. The new owner was so excited he could hardly contain himself. Later, the Range Rover became cantankerous and refused to start for an hour and 45 minutes. It cranked, and fired a little bit, but acted like it was either getting weak or no sparks, or too little fuel. Our search for dependable transport has aquired new urgency. Such transport will free up the time to give the Range Rover and the MG the attention they deserve. James From bens Tue Jul 30 00:49:50 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6U4noi24256 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 00:49:50 -0400 Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 00:49:49 -0400 Message-Id: <200207300449.g6U4nn524252@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: We're all ambaassadors for our hobby/lifestyle... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I haven't bothered to post anything regarding the Nevada trip just yet as I'm just taking it easy and relaxing after the intensive planning and preperation we put into the event. I'm sure most of you are aware to one degree or another based on my previous messages to the list that I tend to be verbose and long winded in my trip postings... Therefore I told myself to hold off on any trip reports until later. Casey, Jon, Armando, Joe, Eric, etc, maybe one of you can post your take on the trip? Suffice to say it was a BLAST. Anyway, to the point at hand - near the close of the 2nd day on the trail as we were nearing Steven's Camp at the northern end of High Rock Canyon we came upon two lightly packed hikers walking alongside the trail the opposite direction we were headed. We stopped to make sure they were ok, asked if they needed any directions, gave them some map information, insured they had water, and generally just chatted for a few minutes. They were of the impression that (from Steven's Camp) the "good stuff" in HRC was only a short distance in. We explained to them how far it really was so they would avoid getting themselves in trouble. Just now I got an email from them even though I did't give them my last or my email address. The email says it all... The central paragraph is just some questions, but the intro and closing ones say it all. I guess I'm proud that we gave them such a great impression that they searched for us online and sent off an email! Here is the text: -------- Jason, My wife Colleen and I wish to thank your club for the concern and kindness it displayed and congratulate you for being a member of such an exciting organization. I am Rob Walker of the Oregon Coast and we are the couple you met who were on foot at the northern edge of High Rock Canyon on the afternoon of 7-27-02. I ran a Google search on San Francisco Rover clubs and found your website. It is great and filled with information; including of course, the "Nevada Desert" expedition. Exercise and solitude are the motivating factors for our newly found enthusiasm for wilderness experiences. On 7-27 we hiked into the South Warner Wilderness southwest of Eagleville. It was a day hike of about ten miles round trip to an elevation of 8600' where we encountered the stunning beauty and unique features of the Warner Range. On 7-28 we were simply following our instincts into the NW Nevada desert not really knowing what was out there. I had general impressions of the area from a crossing from Gerlach to Winnemucca back in the 80's and had maintained an interest in the region from reading of the Fremont expeditions and a knowledge of the exploits of the Applegate brothers. I assume you are the passenger in the lead vehicle we encountered.?? Talking with you and listening to you describe the High Rock Canyon area has inspired us to return, perhaps as soon as a month from now, to camp and explore. I have a '94 Ford Ranger/Mazda 2WD truck with high ground clearance and very dependable power train and new tires. Would this vehicle be adequate for access into the High Rock Canyon-Black Rock Desert NCA? Also would three days in the area provide us with enough time to travel the length of the NCA, north to south, and still leave time enough to explore on foot? We talked about meeting your club out there and what your impressions of us must have been and laughed and joked at some length at the image we must have presented. At any rate, we were both impressed with your friendliness, concern for our safety, and most of all with the goals of your club. Do take care and write soon. Rob and Colleen Walker ------------ Indeed, we are all ambassadors to the community around us. Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 From bens Tue Jul 30 00:50:14 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6U4oEA24281 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 00:50:14 -0400 Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 00:50:13 -0400 Message-Id: <200207300450.g6U4oDj24277@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Shannon Holland To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mysterious 110 radiator disease Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Sorry to hear about your radiator illness! Glad it worked out for the trip. Bummed I missed the trip, but there was no way I was going to be able to get away. I did switch my 110 over to electric fans a year or so ago. Generally it's great, although there's this lingering problem when the fan turns off - if at higher rpm I'll get a very sharp power loss/gain cycle for a second or two. I don't imagine it's the fan - probably some problem elsewhere that the fan is bringing out. Painless wiring has a very nice wiring harness for the fan relay. There's a separate thermostat you can get from them (believe it's a Flexlite or some similar name) that has a sensor which goes into the radiator inlet with an adjustable temp setting that looks pretty good. Another option (what was done on mine) is a Volkswaggen Rabbit (early 90's I believe) fan thermostat. Fits in place of the AC condensor fan thermostat and will switch both the new fan and the condensor fans (I believe the main fan will turn on at 185F and the condensor fan at 190F). In my case I think it's the thermostat that's bringing out the problem. 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From bens Tue Jul 30 10:00:03 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6UE03t26889 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 10:00:03 -0400 Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 10:00:02 -0400 Message-Id: <200207301400.g6UE02l26885@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Mysterious 110 radiator disease Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Thanks for piping up, Shannon. I have been remiss in not adding your voltage spike commentary to the D-90.com site. The posts are in my TBD box, just not on the site yet. Do you have a part number, or year/model reference for that VW switch? It would be handy to post that too. Thanks! -Dave G. From bens Tue Jul 30 10:18:01 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6UEI1h27090 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 10:18:01 -0400 Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 10:18:01 -0400 Message-Id: <200207301418.g6UEI1c27086@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mysterious 110 radiator disease Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi Shannon, A few year ago I added an electric fan to Sherman (69-88). When the fan was turning, if I shut off the ignition, the engine would keep running for 3-4 seconds extra. I found that if I touched the wire to the fan motor, As it was shut down I would get a shock. = :O (?diagnostic approach?) It appears the fan motor is acting as a generator while coasting down and sending electricity back into the circuit. I believe a good sized diode might help. Bob B At 09:50 PM 7/29/2002, Shannon wrote: >I did switch my 110 over to electric fans a year or so ago. Generally >it's great, although there's this lingering problem when the fan turns >off - if at higher rpm I'll get a very sharp power loss/gain cycle for a >second or two. I don't imagine it's the fan - probably some problem >elsewhere that the fan is bringing out. From bens Tue Jul 30 10:25:10 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6UEPAk27143 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 10:25:10 -0400 Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 10:25:09 -0400 Message-Id: <200207301425.g6UEP9J27136@minbar.fourfold.org> From: john hess To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: One's sadness is another's joy. Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org James, nicely said. I sold my Tiger a number of years ago and still question why, and how it is I don't have a convertible now. and Alex is close to 16 wanting to drive and we all hope that he does well enough in school to go off to college. I have to say that in our case, riding bikes to work, the 2 Land Rover, one Mercury situation has worked quite well. We generally speaking have 2 cars up and 1 of those is the Merc or Stubby (for Katherine to drive). Right now, I finished the suspension on Stubby but have to fix a radiator that I clunked with a wrench. cheers, PS. About a year after I sold the Tiger, the new owner called me. He say's "do you miss the car?" dumbshit. Follows that up with did you run silicon brake fluid? double DS. Every silicon I've seen is purple; the Tiger had purple in it, unless it all leaked out. >The crying is over. This afternoon I handed over my pride and joy, the >Series III, for a big check and a stack of $100 bills. I spent the last >week fixing little things on her, so that she was in better condition than >she had been for years. As I cruised down I-40 for her last drive from >work, I wondered why it took me so long to fix the overdrive pivot bolt. >This must be a preview of how you feel when you child goes off to college. >The new owner was so excited he could hardly contain himself. John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Land Rover Dormobile web pages: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby" 1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" 1999 Bianchi Milano, 2001 Bianchi Pista 2002 Meridian Attache Softride Tandem From bens Tue Jul 30 11:28:19 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6UFSJo27496 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 11:28:19 -0400 Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 11:28:19 -0400 Message-Id: <200207301528.g6UFSJW27492@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: One's sadness is another's joy. Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I made that mistake once: sold my '62 TR4 (first year of production, and number 383 off the line!) for $3500, and bought my SD1 for $1100, then bought the parts that were missing/broken (bought the car from Dwight Shultz's stunt double from the A-Team: being a Hollywood type, he constantly went "from feast to famine"), and had not much left over and still lotsa small parts to find! However, the car turned out to be a complete blast, though I still missed the feel of the "Terror 4". With that sale I learned a lesson: keep the cars that you have the most fun with, no matter what. Problem with that lesson, is that you tend to become a car junkie after learning it, for now, 10 years later, I still have that same SD1, and have aquired a project "Terror 3" that replaces the "Terror 4" (same car, but different body - and lighter = more fun!), and for sentimental value I've thrown in the MGB-GT that I wanted to buy when I bought my first car in 1983 - a MGB-GT (the guy had two of them, and had promised this car to somebody else...I bought it from him a few years ago for the same price). ...Then, there's also the Jag, the other MGB-GT, the Land Rovers, and... :) ...Hi - my name is Charles, and I'm a car junkie... On Tue, 30 Jul 2002 10:25:09 -0400 john hess writes: > > James, nicely said. I sold my Tiger a number of years ago and still > > question why, and how it is I don't have a convertible now. and > Alex > is close to 16 wanting to drive and we all hope that he does well > enough in school to go off to college. > > I have to say that in our case, riding bikes to work, the 2 Land [ 38 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Tue Jul 30 11:41:23 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6UFfNw27617 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 11:41:23 -0400 Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 11:41:22 -0400 Message-Id: <200207301541.g6UFfMJ27613@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Stephen LaPorta To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: repair lessons Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi. I own a '72 series 3 Rover. I have a great mechanic, but, he's sometimes so busy restoring various british cars that i have to hold off on scheduling work on my vehicle. I'd like to learn to do some of the basic mechanical and preventive maintenance and trouble shooting myself. Is there anyone on the list who is very knowledgeable on series 3's who'd be willing to give periodic maintenance lessons for a mutually determined fee? With my schedule, a class type situation seems unrealistic. I live in the east bay (Albany) and work in SF (the Haight). I've got the manuals, but, watching someone else doing it, so i can take my own notes, and process the information in my own way, would be great. if anyone is interested, let me know. I use my Rover as a daily driver. thanks. steve la porta From bens Tue Jul 30 12:30:01 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6UGU1B28230 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 12:30:01 -0400 Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 12:30:00 -0400 Message-Id: <200207301630.g6UGU0Y28222@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: " mendo rec list" Subject: Re: One's sadness is another's joy. Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > With that sale I learned a lesson: keep the >cars that you have the most fun with, no matter what. I agree completely! That's why I've had The Green Rover for 24-1/2 years and the TR3A for 16 years. I've had way to many parking lot conversations that started with "I used to have one of these" and ended with "I sure wish I still had it" >> We generally speaking have 2 cars up I've noticed I seem to be able to have two cars up and running pretty much all the time but whenever I add a third I seem to be working on cars all the time and one is almost always down. I've never quite figured it out but somehow a third car seems to be an exponetial jump in labour and failure rate. Of course now, if I had the money to keep a professional mechanic on staff ... TeriAnn Wakeman If you send me direct mail, please Santa Cruz, California start the subject line with TW - twakeman@cruzers.com I will be sure to read the message http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 From bens Tue Jul 30 13:13:21 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6UHDLf28788 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 13:13:21 -0400 Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 13:13:21 -0400 Message-Id: <200207301713.g6UHDLd28784@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Shannon Holland To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mysterious 110 radiator disease Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Yep, I've wondered if this isn't part of the problem (I think I might avoid your diagnostic method though!). The fan is connected via a relay so it should disconnect, but relay contacts are known for arcing and staying connected a while longer (hmmm, I would expect the alternator would still supply juice though). I've wondered if the voltage coming back from the fan motor would be negative or positive relative to the system voltage? A diode across the fan power might certainly help some. The other place for a diode is across the coil input on the relay - this reduces the voltage spike from the relay coil when it shuts off (although a side effect of doing this is it lengthens the duration of the now smaller spike!). Thanks! Shannon On Tuesday, July 30, 2002, at 07:18 AM, Bob & Sue Bernard wrote: > A few year ago I added an electric fan to Sherman (69-88). When the fan > was > turning, if I shut off the ignition, the engine would keep running for > 3-4 > seconds extra. I found that if I touched the wire to the fan motor, As > it > was shut down I would get a shock. = :O (?diagnostic approach?) > It appears the fan motor is acting as a generator while coasting down > and [ 2 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Tue Jul 30 13:16:50 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6UHGow28822 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 13:16:50 -0400 Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 13:16:49 -0400 Message-Id: <200207301716.g6UHGnd28818@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Shannon Holland To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mysterious 110 radiator disease Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Dave, I'll ask Philippe for the part. I also found a really another good description of how to deal with the spikes (I think the link I posted before was a more a description of why they happen). It was pdf which I printed, I'll try to dig up the original link. Turns out you can use either a diode or a resistor. I'd also like to find a good supplier for relays with built in diode protection. Jameco has some relays which might be good, but I'm not entirely sure if they're suitable for automotive use or not - I'll order some and find out! Shannon On Tuesday, July 30, 2002, at 07:00 AM, Gomes, David wrote: > > Thanks for piping up, Shannon. I have been remiss in not adding your > voltage spike commentary to the D-90.com site. The posts are in my TBD > box, > just not on the site yet. Do you have a part number, or year/model > reference for that VW switch? It would be handy to post that too. > > Thanks! > [ 2 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Tue Jul 30 13:32:56 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6UHWuh28929 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 13:32:56 -0400 Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 13:32:56 -0400 Message-Id: <200207301732.g6UHWu128925@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Clayton Kirkwood" To: Subject: RE: Mysterious 110 radiator disease Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 41 lines filtered. ] Does using an electric fan replacing the viscous fan work well, and is it reliable? It sounds better in many ways, there is just a question of reliability and installation. THanks, Clayton From bens Tue Jul 30 14:09:18 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6UI9Io29314 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 14:09:18 -0400 Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 14:09:17 -0400 Message-Id: <200207301809.g6UI9He29310@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Shannon Holland To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mysterious 110 radiator disease Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I would say overall it does work well (I'm pretty sure my electrical issue has nothing to do with the fan). The reasons I switched are: - I have a personal dislike of the viscous fan clutch (in my D90 the clutch seized which threw a belt that promptly cut the lower radiator hose in half) - Fan speed has nothing to do with engine speed. I think this is particularly good when off-roading in hot climates where you tend to have low engine rpm and low road speed (or tend to be stopped for periods while winching, etc) - You can turn the fan off with an external switch (good for water crossings where the fan tends to suck water into the engine bay). - You can turn the fan on with an external switch. - Theoretically, a viscous fan saps a bit of engine power. I didn't notice much in general (not really a surprise in my wildly speedy 110). About this only thing was I think it accelerates a bit better in 1st gear (where the engine picks up rpm more quickly and a fan would be more likely to slow it down). I might have gotten about 0.5mpg better (although putting bigger tires on certainly fixed that!). - I only have one fan, but would like to switch to dual fans. This adds a bit of redundancy (although you still have single points of failure at the thermostat and relay). The fuse is also a single point, but there are circuit breakers which will self-reset after a short period of time (I plan to switch to one of these). There are also adjustable thermostats which seem like a good thing. I've found a few but none that I really like. Hayden makes one which is all electric, has a built in fan relay and fuse (no circuit breaker), but the temp sensor is meant to go between the fins on the radiator. This doesn't seem so great to me (easy to damage the radiator and if those fins get clogged, your sensor will run artificially cooler). Flowmaster (think that's the name) makes one that's mechanical where the sensor goes into the upper radiator hose (they have a little gasket that should keep it from leaking). This seems like a good arrangement, although I'd rather have an electrical thermostat (just seems like a thermistor is less likely to fail then a mechanical switch). Then of course there's the volkswagen part that I will find and post. Shannon On Tuesday, July 30, 2002, at 10:32 AM, Clayton Kirkwood wrote: > Does using an electric fan replacing the viscous fan work well, and is > it > reliable? It sounds better in many ways, there is just a question of > reliability and installation. From bens Tue Jul 30 14:11:32 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6UIBW929351 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 14:11:32 -0400 Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 14:11:32 -0400 Message-Id: <200207301811.g6UIBWP29347@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Shannon Holland To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: positive ground Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I was talking to a friend this morning about positive ground vehicles and seemed to remember that there was some advantage they had over negative ground, but couldn't remember what it was (think it was discussed here not too long ago)... Is there any advantage? Thanks! Shannon From bens Tue Jul 30 15:07:42 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6UJ7gZ29815 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 15:07:42 -0400 Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 15:07:42 -0400 Message-Id: <200207301907.g6UJ7gt29811@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Mysterious 110 radiator disease Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "....there is just a question of reliability and installation...." There's the rub. Shannon did a great job of explaining why he chose the route he did. But this modification is like any other. No free lunch. There's always a trade off of some kind. The viscous fan is simple and very effective within it's design envelope and life span. It's based on pretty solid mechanics, and has very few potential failure modes. An electric fan system by comparison, in this application, has a very high degree of complexity and many more potential points of failure. That doesn't mean it's bad, it just means that you'd better be pretty certain about really needing the advantages electric fans bring (Shannon covered them pretty well), and then be willing to spend the time and money to design and build the system to your own chosen level of reliability requirements. Shannon is also doing a great job on this front thinking about different types of sensors, relays, appropriate redundancies, etc, and realizing that there are tradeoffs to be made at every turn (the variable thermostat is more "flexible" but it also has lots more potential failure modes than the simple VW switch). So maybe first think about, "Do I need electric fans?" by asking yourself, Have I experienced overheating due to insufficient air flow? Have I had trouble with underhood water splash on water crossings causing engine trouble? And if the answer to either or both is "yes" then consider if it's been enough of an inconvenience to warrant the trouble and responsibility of designing your own electric fan system. Also remember, any system will require maintenance. The stock plastic fan and clutch should probably be replaced every 120,000 miles or so. The electric fan system will also need maintenance in the form of periodic replacement of components to keep it functioning reliably. Availability of replacement parts might or might not be an issue in the future. If you're worried about your plastic fan and viscous clutch, one other option besides the electrical conversion is to just replace the stock components with new ones now and keep the old ones for spares. -Dave G. From bens Tue Jul 30 15:28:45 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6UJSj729949 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 15:28:45 -0400 Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 15:28:45 -0400 Message-Id: <200207301928.g6UJSjV29945@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mysterious 110 radiator disease Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org David, your last email regarding the downside to electric fans and things to consider before installing one was excellent. I never cease to be amazed at the truly amazing quality of answers, ideas and comments posted to this list! Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 From bens Tue Jul 30 15:56:47 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6UJulJ30115 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 15:56:47 -0400 Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 15:56:47 -0400 Message-Id: <200207301956.g6UJulj30109@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: Good list & GPS stuff Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "...I never cease to be amazed at the truly amazing quality of answers, ideas and comments posted to this list!.." The real value, I think, is in the free exchange of ideas. No one person can ever hope to have a complete perspective on anything. Folks here seem to be able to kick things around from different points of view without anybody freaking out or taking anything personally. The end result is everybody has a broader view than they had before, and broadening perspective is the most valuable kind of learning there is in my book. I learn something new every day on this list. It's especially cool when someone like Shannon who's done a lot of work on a particular project will take the time to share, not just the end results, but the thought processes, trials, and errors that got them through the whole ordeal. I liken it to the difference between having a detailed roadmap, versus having the "driving directions" supplied by the likes of Mapquest. It's great to know what road will get you there the quickest, but unpredictable circumstances make it nice to be aware of potential alternate routes. :^) My mind is on mapping because I just ordered one of those new StreetPilot3-Deluxe packages from 4x4books.com. I did a lot of agonizing over this unit vs. the GPS12XL/laptop/TOPO! combo. I think this is the right overall decision for me, but I'd be interested to hear others experiences with similar units or alternative setups in an on/off road combination role. -Dave G. From bens Tue Jul 30 16:01:03 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6UK13O30192 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 16:01:03 -0400 Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 16:01:03 -0400 Message-Id: <200207302001.g6UK13o30188@minbar.fourfold.org> From: StevHutch@aol.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Number plates, etc. Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset="US-ASCII" ] [ 7 lines filtered. ] -Min. Rover content -- Ran across this site today, company that sells Stainless steel engine and body parts for Triumphs and MGs. Also British Number plates (check the rover pick on their home page) http://www.rustfreeroadsters.com/index.htm From bens Tue Jul 30 16:07:06 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6UK76m30257 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 16:07:06 -0400 Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 16:07:06 -0400 Message-Id: <200207302007.g6UK76L30253@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Turner, Jon [LFS]" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Good list & GPS stuff Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; ] [ 39 lines filtered. ] This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. charset="iso-8859-1" Hey Dave - I ordered a Street Pilot III Deluxe as well! It just arrived yesterday, so I've had a chance to take it out of the box and look at it but nothing more. One of my concerns is the anti-reflective coating on the screen appears to be very sensitive and I'm not sure how well it is going to hold up to serious dirt and dust. I'm really excited to have the new GPS for my 110, as I've found the Nav system on my RR to be extremely useful and have really missed not having one on the 110. Jon Jon Turner '01 RR 4.6 HSE '93 NAS 110 412/500 From bens Tue Jul 30 16:21:52 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6UKLqC30532 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 16:21:52 -0400 Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 16:21:52 -0400 Message-Id: <200207302021.g6UKLqL30528@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Good list & GPS stuff Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "....One of my concerns is the anti-reflective coating on the screen appears to be very sensitive and I'm not sure how well it is going to hold up to serious dirt and dust....." I have some sheets of clear plastic that were originally sold to protect the screens of PDAs that are being written on with the stylus. They are pretty decent for anti-glare. I might try cutting one to fit the SP3 screen..... Thanks for the tip. -Dave G. From bens Tue Jul 30 16:39:22 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6UKdMI30683 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 16:39:22 -0400 Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 16:39:22 -0400 Message-Id: <200207302039.g6UKdM130679@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Spencer Knight" To: Subject: Re: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #806 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Thanks TeriAnn and David for the advice on getting the fan off of the front of my truck, I had a deeply felt feeling of "Ah-hah!" upon seeing the picture of that tool. It certainly looks like the right thing. I'll be off to Sears very soon. Spencer From bens Tue Jul 30 16:41:57 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6UKfvP30732 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 16:41:57 -0400 Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 16:41:57 -0400 Message-Id: <200207302041.g6UKfvI30728@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jeff Rogers To: Mendo Recce List Subject: Re: repair lessons Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hey Steve: The NCRC has held fix-it clinics in the past. Jeremy Bartlett (BMC) and Philippe Gonzales (Roverland) have taught them. We are looking into getting one of these scheduled later in the year. Check the club schedule for updates. http://www.norcalrover.org -->Jeff on 7/30/02 8:41 AM, Stephen LaPorta at laporta@postoffice.pacbell.net wrote: > > Hi. I own a '72 series 3 Rover. I have a great mechanic, but, he's > sometimes so busy restoring various british cars that i have to hold > off on scheduling work on my vehicle. I'd like to learn to do some of > the basic mechanical and preventive maintenance and trouble shooting > myself. Is there anyone on the list who is very knowledgeable on > series 3's who'd be willing to give periodic maintenance lessons for > a mutually determined fee? > [ 8 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Tue Jul 30 16:51:59 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6UKpxb30859 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 16:51:59 -0400 Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 16:51:58 -0400 Message-Id: <200207302051.g6UKpwg30855@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Good list & GPS stuff Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "...really missed not having one on the 110..." Good, you'll be in the same boat as me WRT satellite reception. The G has a near vertical flat windscreen, just like the 110. With my 12xl I had to have a remote antenna for the thing to work at all reliably. So I ordered one along with the SP3. I'll be interested to hear your experiences with reception in the 110. I had considered the antenna extension cord, which just mounts the removable stalk antenna 6' away, but thought I could probably make one of those from BNCs and coax if I had to, and that the larger patch antenna in the remote job might work a little better. It always did great for my 12xl. I'm hoping the unit will work pretty well sitting on the dashboard of Cheryl's Rangie, so I don't have to move the remote antenna with the head unit. Portability was one of the big factors that steered Oh well, we'll see. -Dave G. From bens Tue Jul 30 16:56:22 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6UKuMf30950 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 16:56:22 -0400 Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 16:56:22 -0400 Message-Id: <200207302056.g6UKuMm30946@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Good list & GPS stuff Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org We found that the single best setup for us thus far encountered is the one we used for the recce and actual trip this past weekend - a standard straight foward GPS hand held (in this case Garmin E-Trex, it's basic, cheap, easy to use, and very robust) connected to a laptop with the NG/USGS topo software installed. It's simply the only way to get DETAILED topographic data in a mobile situation for vast areas. This setup allowed us to view everything in 1/24,000 scale, whereas the closest available option in a topo feature on a GPS itself is 1/100,000. Add to that equation the fact that on a laptop you get a much larger viewing area and full color range and you have what I feel is the best option for offroad mapping. I'm even considering finding a way to get the monitor removed from the laptop for easier, tighter install on the dash and having the keyboard slide-away or otherwise hidden. For those times when street and road info is more important you can use one of the Metroguide Street atlas packages on the laptop as well. The hand held GPS allows you to remove it from the truck if you need to take it with you on a walk or whatever as well, something I found to be akward to do with the Garmin StreetPilot GPS receivers. Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 From bens Tue Jul 30 17:24:52 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6ULOqE31155 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 17:24:52 -0400 Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 17:24:52 -0400 Message-Id: <200207302124.g6ULOqN31151@minbar.fourfold.org> From: James Howard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: One's sadness is another's joy. Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Charles R Irvin wrote: > > I made that mistake once: sold my '62 TR4 I don't think selling my SIII is a mistake. When kids enter the picture priorities change. Once Kelly gets out of graduate school and reenters the workforce, I want to get something slightly different: a 109 Station Wagon. I hope TeriAnn's theory on keeping two vehicles running instead of three is true. Our stable currently consists of an 89 Range Rover and a 66 MGB. The hope is the late model disposable car we are going to buy will require no work for two years, so all my car repair energies can be directed to the two British machines. James From bens Tue Jul 30 17:25:22 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6ULPMF31182 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 17:25:22 -0400 Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 17:25:22 -0400 Message-Id: <200207302125.g6ULPMD31178@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Joseph Ernest" To: Subject: General question - Engine damaged at mechanic shop - who's Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Sorry for the off topic qusetion. While I was in Santa Fe recently I took my car to a mechanic to have what appeared to be a fuel system problem attended to. After replacing the fuel filter they drove the car extensively, but could not duplicate the stalling problem. Shortly after they checked the timing belt, the timing belt jumped (while the car was still in their shop, in their hands.) This caused catastrophic damage to pistons and valve gear. The mechanic claims that a loose timing belt tensioning pulley was the cause of the problem, and he is therefore not responsible for the resulting damage. The mechanic's initial suggestion to me was that I buy an engine out of a junk-yard, take the car to another mechanic and have the engine installed there. I put several thousand miles on the car in the previous year with no trouble at all. I find it strange that the timing belt would wait until he inspected it before it jumped. I also believe that it is not unreasonable for a customer to expect his car to be returned to him in the condition that it was delivered to the mechanic, except for the improvements resulting from the authorized repairs. The mechanic has said that he will send me a proposal, for me to pay for the engine and labor for installation, but I would have to release him from any warranties if he was to do the work. I would like to know what the mechanics obligations are and what my expectations or rights would be in this situation. Thanks for your help.............JoE 89 RR 67 109 Carawagon Diesel From bens Tue Jul 30 17:27:54 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6ULRsb31203 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 17:27:54 -0400 Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 17:27:54 -0400 Message-Id: <200207302127.g6ULRs931199@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Brian Foster" To: Subject: Time to revisit a good idea? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org At one time I kept a list of people someone could contact for assistance. It was kept private and would be sent out if anyone was planning a trip or knew there was a possibility that they would need assistance during a trip or in a particular region. Chris Whitehead's adventure may have motivated me to remind mendo_recce folks of the list and to see if we should do this again. Any thoughts? Brian Foster From bens Tue Jul 30 17:27:56 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6ULRuX31217 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 17:27:56 -0400 Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 17:27:56 -0400 Message-Id: <200207302127.g6ULRup31213@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Brian Foster" To: Subject: The cars we let get away... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Well, I seem to be a little different from a few of you. I have owned only 3 cars more than 2 years: 1967 Chevrolet Camaro - show winning car for 3 years 1991 GMC Suburban - current daily driver and owned for 2.5 years 1974 BMW 2002tii - owned for 3.5 years because it was at a fabricator most of the time I owned it... I just made payments to him for more work to get done. Once out of the shop, I owned it less than 1 year. If you figure I have owned * mostly 2-5 cars at a time (average 3.5/year) * owned them for 1 year maximum since I was 13 (25 years) Then, it comes out to around 88 cars. Truth be told, this is probably 1/3rd of the actual number. The other side of this is that I have owned so many cars that I have a lot of stories to tell. I know a lot about what I like and dislike. My wife tried to slow the flipping cycle down by setting two rules: 1) I have to pay cash, and 2) I can't have something I've already owned once before. The second rule has backfired so I have successfully circumvented it a few times. I dragged home a $900 VW bug once to drive daily (I take the kids to school in the morning). It satisfied both of the rules, but my wife was not amused. She informed me that I had to sell it. So, I sold it and bought an absolute gem of a BMW 2002. This is my 22nd personally owned BMW 1600/2002 (I actually owned another which was #23, but I was just saving it from the wrecking yard before trying to find a suitable new home). I get bored with cars. I love the experience of something different, challenging and/or unique. It doesn't matter if it is a microcar, a SUV, a race car, a sport sedan, or a truck. I really love all vehicles. Heck, I went through 10 years of owning motorcycles too (all street, no off-road) until I got married and tried to be responsible. I've owned cars most people have never even heard of or models they don't remember: Simca, Glas GTs, Nissan Patrols, Messerschmidts, Vespa cars, Alpina (BMW), Hartge (BMW), Ford Cortina, BMW 600/Isetta/700, MB Unimog, Ford Capri, Ford Anglia, Triumph Mayflower, Ford Taunus, Saab 93b/96, etc. I seem to be suitable halfway home for lost waifs. I sell my vehicles for a variety of reasons, but the most common is boredom or too many cars in the collection. In this case, I am selling either/both of my current cars since I have a home construction project that is running over budget. At least one will have to go and that will be tough since I really, truly like them both. I am not bored with either one yet. However, SWMBO has indicated that she would really like me to sell both and buy a single, newer car. I will regret selling the two current cars, but I need to sell one... and soon. Both are in a condition that I would sell either to family/friends. If I had to make a list of vehicles that I miss and wish I still had: 1981 Alpina B7S Sedan (high performance, 1 of 60 BMW 5-series sedan) 1974 BMW 2002tii (the aforementioned car above... I sold it to buy our first house) 1964 Porsche 356SC (sold it to complete the 1974 2002tii) 1991 Mazda Miata Special Edition (British Racing Green version). 1967 MGB (the sale funded a hot rod project I was working on and featured in Hot Rod magazine when it was done) Brian Foster From bens Tue Jul 30 17:45:37 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6ULjbp31341 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 17:45:37 -0400 Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 17:45:37 -0400 Message-Id: <200207302145.g6ULjbJ31337@minbar.fourfold.org> From: joe mulqueen To: mendo Subject: re. Re: Mysterious 110 radiator disease Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Wait a sec, let's be fair to your fan clutch system! The belt will always turn at engine RPM - regardless of the fan clutch. A siezed clutch simply locks itself to the fan with the net effect being that the fan now turns at the same RPM as the engine. How can that condition throw a belt?? Joe Mulqueen '82 XJ6 (with new plastic fan and clutch) '67 SIIA 109 SW Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 14:09:17 -0400 From: Shannon Holland Subject: Re: Mysterious 110 radiator disease .....I have a personal dislike of the viscous fan clutch (in my D90 the clutch seized which threw a belt that promptly cut the lower radiator hose in half)....... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From bens Tue Jul 30 18:03:54 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6UM3sm31544 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 18:03:54 -0400 Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 18:03:54 -0400 Message-Id: <200207302203.g6UM3sR31540@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Shannon Holland To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Good list & GPS stuff Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Jason, Was the Etrex able to get good satellite reception from inside the truck? (As I recall they don't have a provision for an external antenna?) I have an older GPS III (not nearly as good as the new ones for reception) and it definitely needs an external antenna in the 110. The Etrex's look great as they'd be really nice for hiking as well. If you're using a laptop to view the actual data, then the other option are the units where the gps is built into the antenna. Here are some: http://www.gpscity.com/productssensor.html Of course, the problem here is that if you want to be able to use it on foot you need to buy a second gps... Shannon On Tuesday, July 30, 2002, at 01:56 PM, Jason Pipes wrote: > We found that the single best setup for us thus far encountered is the > one > we used for the recce and actual trip this past weekend - a standard > straight foward GPS hand held (in this case Garmin E-Trex, it's basic, > cheap, easy to use, and very robust) connected to a laptop with the > NG/USGS > topo software installed. It's simply the only way to get DETAILED > topographic data in a mobile situation for vast areas. This setup > allowed us [ 16 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Tue Jul 30 18:20:45 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6UMKjq31694 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 18:20:45 -0400 Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 18:20:44 -0400 Message-Id: <200207302220.g6UMKiO31690@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: The cars we let get away... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "...I love the experience of something different, challenging and/or unique...." You got the sickness bad if the 22nd 2002 was still different or unique. :^) -Dave G. PS- I too seem to move on after 2-3 years. From bens Tue Jul 30 18:23:45 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6UMNjv31717 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 18:23:45 -0400 Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 18:23:45 -0400 Message-Id: <200207302223.g6UMNjE31713@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Shannon Holland To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: re. Re: Mysterious 110 radiator disease Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org On Tuesday, July 30, 2002, at 02:45 PM, joe mulqueen wrote: > The belt will always turn at engine RPM - regardless > of the fan clutch. > A siezed clutch simply locks itself to the fan with > the net effect being that the fan now turns at the > same RPM as the engine. How can that condition throw > a belt?? > I thought it would slip at higher rpm so it wasn't always a 1-1 correlation between engine and fan rpm (ignoring pulley differences), but that it would still be going faster than at idle (it certainly made more noise at higher rpm). A weird side effect of switching to the electric fan was getting used to how much more quiet the engine was (and how much more of the actual engine operation you could hear). I'm not quite sure why the belt was thrown. I guess at the time I assumed that with the cluck being seized, the fan would have been spinning faster than it was designed to (I was on the freeway so engine rpm would have been around 3000). I would think that the increase in fan speed would increase the load on the pulley, hence increasing it's chance of failure. I'm also not necessarily positive on exactly when the clutch seized. It may have well been that way for a while, increasing load on the pulley (and me neglecting to check it) leading to the eventual failure. It was a good lesson just how fast a aluminum engine will overheat with low coolant! Oh, and check your belts! Shannon From bens Tue Jul 30 18:31:58 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6UMVwG31802 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 18:31:58 -0400 Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 18:31:58 -0400 Message-Id: <200207302231.g6UMVwH31798@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Good list & GPS stuff Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "...We found that the single best setup for us thus far encountered is the one we used for the recce and actual trip this past weekend..." No doubt. I was all set to design the system for remote PC with stowable screen in front of the passenger. That's the best there is for travel in the "untracked wastes". But I had to knuckle under to the fact that I really do a hell of a lot more on-road travel than off, and we divide our time between multiple vehicles. When I pulled up the Garmin topo maps for the western US (and I have to say this is an EXCELLENT service they provide letting you fully pre-view the maps on-line), I was pleasantly surprised to find that, though they are based on 100,000 scale maps, the roads I wanted to use were there. The small screen might be a problem, I don't know, we'll see. Like anything else, I guess there isn't any single be-all-end-all solution, but rather best-fit solutions for individual needs. I'm not getting rid of the old 12xl! And I might still play with a laptop based system for the G if the components fall into my lap. Jason, I think an article on how your system is put together and how you used it to plan and execute the trip would make AWESOME reading for the newsletter. Sort of a side-bar to the trip report or something. I know I'm interested...Guess I should join NCRC maybe huh? :^) -Dave G. From bens Tue Jul 30 18:35:18 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6UMZIl31839 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 18:35:18 -0400 Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 18:35:18 -0400 Message-Id: <200207302235.g6UMZI231835@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Time to revisit a good idea? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "...At one time I kept a list of people someone could contact for assistance...." That's the purpose of the old "birmabright brotherhood" which is now maintained as a Yahoo group at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/birmabright/ -Dave G. From bens Tue Jul 30 18:39:39 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6UMddQ31870 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 18:39:39 -0400 Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 18:39:39 -0400 Message-Id: <200207302239.g6UMddD31866@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Good list & GPS stuff Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Shannon, you've got a great point - we were using the etrex for the first time in Higgins - Armando's Disco. It does not have an option to use an external antena so I think you have made a very good point, when we try to use that setup in the 110 sounds like we will have problems. We might therefore have to go to another GPS handheld, but the central concept will remain the same - a handheld connected up to a laptop in some form with topo software installed. Thanks for the heads up! Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 From bens Tue Jul 30 19:06:07 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6UN67N32048 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 19:06:07 -0400 Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 19:06:06 -0400 Message-Id: <200207302306.g6UN66j32044@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: General question - Engine damaged at mechanic shop - who's Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Totally awful news, Joe. Very sorry to hear it. Unfortunately, the deal is probably subject to local laws that not many folks on this list would know about. The lead mechanic at LR Santa Fe is a pretty good guy. I don't remember his name. Big fella with graying hair and a bit of a British accent of some kind. He was very nice about looking over the Rangie on zero notice when I stopped in there on our way from Denver to El Paso last year. He might be able to help with some local contacts for legal advice that would be more in tune with the local regs. And if it's LRSF you're having a problem with, then maybe do your enquiries with the G-wagen dealer next door. Their phone number is 1-888-538-7672. Travis in the parts department owns an older grey-market rangie and might be able to help you or recommend someone who could. If worse came to worse, the guy wouldn't get another penny of my money. I'd be there with a flat bed to haul it to the shop next door if I had to. LRSF (or Europa Saab/G-wagen) might also be able to help recommend a better mechanic in the area. -Dave G. From bens Tue Jul 30 19:31:45 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6UNVjR32202 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 19:31:45 -0400 Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 19:31:45 -0400 Message-Id: <200207302331.g6UNVjq32198@minbar.fourfold.org> From: shukait@mac.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Helpfull Discovery Series I Work Around's I Found Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org All, I've had two problems lately that Exculsive British European in Campbell helped me with over the phone. They worked so well, I thought I'd share them with you. These apply to a Disco I with an automatic transmission. This is what I did with no tools handy. Problem 1: When shifting out of Park the selector gets stuck in neutral. Most likely cause: The retainer clip for the push button release on the shifter has popped off. Fix: 1. I found a paper clip and used the round end to pop the cap off the shifter. 2. I bent the end of the paper clip so I could use it to dig the clip out of the bottom of the shifter. 4. Placed the clip back on the pin and used a ball point pen to snap it on. Problem 2: Started car, put my foot on the brake and couldn't get it out of park. Most likely cause: The top brake switch on the top of the brake pedal arm is bad. Fix: 1. I checked to see if I had brake lights when I stepped on the pedal. The brake lights didn't come on so they said it was extremely likely that the brake switch is bad. 2. I pop the three plastic retainers off the black plastic cover panel above the foot well and below the dash and removed the panel. 3. I removed the four prong connector from the top switch on the brake pedal arm. 4. I carefully pulled the connector down so I could see the wire pin out. There are four wires; white / slate, white / red, green / orange and green / purple. 5. I found that paper clip again and bend it into a V. 6. I jumper the green / orange and green / purple wires together by sliding the ends of the paper clip into the front of the connector. 7. I carefully make sure everything was out of the way of my feet for driving. 8. Started the car and could change gears. The replacement switch was $38.06 and $99.00 per hour labor to install it. Total bill was $140.20 Why did I have EBE do the work? They helped me out of a bad spot twice and I have a bumper to bumper warranty that covered the whole thing! Cheers, Keith From bens Tue Jul 30 19:57:00 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6UNv0Y32342 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 19:57:00 -0400 Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 19:57:00 -0400 Message-Id: <200207302357.g6UNv0F32338@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: General question - Engine damaged at mechanic shop - who's Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org You said they checked the timing belt: did they make any adjustments to it, or did they simply look at it? This can be one of those nasty grey areas that lets them get off the hook if they did anything wrong. However, if they looked at it (should be done with the engine shut off anyway!) then they should have been able to tell if it OR the idler pulley needed replacement. (presuming that checking the idler pulley is SOP, and it should be since they're already there) Charles On Tue, 30 Jul 2002 17:25:22 -0400 "Joseph Ernest" writes: > > Sorry for the off topic qusetion. > > While I was in Santa Fe recently I took my car to a mechanic to have > what appeared to be a fuel system problem attended to. After > replacing the fuel filter they drove the car extensively, but could > not duplicate the stalling problem. Shortly after they checked the > timing belt, the timing belt jumped (while the car was still in > their shop, in their hands.) This caused catastrophic damage to [ 27 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Tue Jul 30 19:57:50 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6UNvoP32359 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 19:57:50 -0400 Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 19:57:50 -0400 Message-Id: <200207302357.g6UNvoH32355@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Shannon Holland To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Good list & GPS stuff Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org On Tuesday, July 30, 2002, at 03:39 PM, Jason Pipes wrote: > Shannon, you've got a great point - we were using the etrex for the > first > time in Higgins - Armando's Disco. It does not have an option to use an > external antena so I think you have made a very good point, when we try > to > use that setup in the 110 sounds like we will have problems. We might > therefore have to go to another GPS handheld, but the central concept > will > remain the same - a handheld connected up to a laptop in some form with [ 3 additional quoted lines pruned. ] Well, it may well work ok - the newer Garmin units are generally much better than the old ones. Definitely try before you buy! I'm also very interested in the whole laptop in the truck idea. Have wanted to do this for a while but have mostly been stuck with where to put the thing (I only have one vehicle so moving it between vehicles isn't an issue for me). It may be possible to separate the screen from the laptop, but this also may be tricky. They generally use a high speed digital interface which goes through a flat ribbon cable - i.e. doesn't like to go much further than the few inches they already do. I'm sure there are ways around this, just don't know how hard it would be. The other solutions I've looked for would be a lcd VGA monitor that could be driven out of the VGA port in the laptop or a NTSC lcd screen driven out a tv output (assuming you have one). The quality on the ntsc screen isn't nearly as good, but they are way cheaper and there are many that are already set up for mounting in a vehicle (although these generally aren't cheap anymore!). I'd definitely be very interesting in what you figure out on this one! Shannon From bens Tue Jul 30 21:39:19 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6V1dJX00655 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 21:39:19 -0400 Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 21:39:18 -0400 Message-Id: <200207310139.g6V1dI100651@minbar.fourfold.org> From: joe mulqueen To: mendo Subject: Back from Nevada Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hello, Tam and I had a great trip but so much to see and do in the time allotted! I could’ve easily spent a few extra hours here/there hiking around the beautifully stark and expansive mountains surrounding our camps. And Jason and Petra’s information packet that I read after returning home - it makes me want to go back next week! A few other observations: Those who I occasionally trail prodded to “pick up the pace” had no throttle difficulty leaving me far behind once on the pavement for the return back home. No worries, we’d all said our goodbye’s – just a fun irony! The 109 made the entire trip with no glitches at all. It seems pretty well sorted out and feels it could travel on forever except the heat, elevation and long grades sure sap the power out of highway travel! While heading home, I ran into Michael Bellingham’s green 88 at Gerlach (why was he still there when he’d left so early??) and Eric Johnson with his Classic coming up in my mirror - once a few mile east of Sparks and again near Fairfield. Since we were all driving different paces, the meetings were simple hand waves. Tam and I ended the trip back in San Jose 9:30pm Sunday . See you all on the next outing! Joe Mulqueen ’67 SIIA 109 SW __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From bens Tue Jul 30 22:34:06 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6V2Y6O00945 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 22:34:06 -0400 Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 22:34:06 -0400 Message-Id: <200207310234.g6V2Y6900941@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Stirling Anderson To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: sighting etc... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hey everyone, saw a D110 out front of the REI in Saratoga. Young guy, with a dog and a "Tread Lightly" sticker in the window. The joy of Series Land Rover driving: Amy and I were sitting on the bumper of the African having a smoke in the parking lot in front of said REI, a gentleman walking past offered the compliment, "Nice car man!" After a "Thank you" we saw him climb into a Jeep and take off. hehe ;) We had to smile about it. The African is running between 60 and 70 degrees Celsius, sound pretty normal? Had a small leak, around the lower hose near the water pump. It isn't leaking now, and the radiator was and still is full of fluid, so I'll have to keep an eye on it. Minor teething pains like Paul said I suppose. Take care, Stirling __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From bens Tue Jul 30 23:14:38 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6V3EcT01310 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 23:14:38 -0400 Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 23:14:38 -0400 Message-Id: <200207310314.g6V3EcO01306@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Benjamin Smith To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Good list & GPS stuff Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In message <200207302357.g6UNvoH32355@minbar.fourfold.org>you wrote: > I'm also very interested in the whole laptop in the truck idea. Have > wanted to do this for a while but have mostly been stuck with where to > put the thing I did this a few years back with my Series III. I put a box in the passenger footwell to mount the laptop too. It was neat and all. But in all of those times that I brought it, I didn't use it much. And the keyboard got all gummed up with dust from the trail. Mostly I just set waypoints on my old Garmin 12XL and navigate to them. Sometimes I'll use it to plot a point on a paper map and go from there. It doesn't take that much time. YMMV. Ben From bens Tue Jul 30 23:37:29 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6V3bTx01537 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 23:37:29 -0400 Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 23:37:29 -0400 Message-Id: <200207310337.g6V3bT101533@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Mitchell, Ben" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Good list & GPS stuff Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 26 lines filtered. ] ditto. my experience has been that the utility (or disutility) of laptop navigation is far outweighed by the problems encountered taking sensitive equipment into a harsh environment. The only thing that still occurs to me would make this worthwhile is if you had a big group of people and everyone (or at least the tailgunner and leader) were broadcasting APRS telemetry, then you could plot the position of the group. But even that seems only marginally useful... I've long since stopped bringing my laptop in the truck. -Ben From bens Tue Jul 30 23:39:14 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6V3dEf01556 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 23:39:14 -0400 Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 23:39:13 -0400 Message-Id: <200207310339.g6V3dDB01552@minbar.fourfold.org> From: john hess To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: repair lessons Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hey , I should have done the same want ad when I first got into cars (at 30! with a Sunbeam Tiger). I love the Rovers, they are so easy. You screw up, you do it over, but generally speaking the hard parts are getting old rusted bolts apart. I did the suspension Sunday, finishing the left side and then tearing apart the NEW right side to do a frame bushing that I should have done when I did the front side originally (like I said, do it over). It's the little things that make you feel good about working on the rover. The manuals are great, really going through how something should be done. Follow them, look at the pictures and when in doubt, scour the manual for other pictures in a different section that might illustrate something just a bit better. Any one ever notice that on page 5-section A1, one spark plug wire goes from the dizzy up and over the valve cover like the distributor vacuum line? About the only oops I've seen. Oh, in my case, it really helps that I commute by bike and have 2 backup cars. We usually have all 3 "up", sometimes 1 down (Stubby no, waiting for a radiator from BP) and rarely 2 down, but I really hate that. cheers, >Hi. I own a '72 series 3 Rover. I have a great mechanic, but, he's >sometimes so busy restoring various british cars that i have to hold >off on scheduling work on my vehicle. I'd like to learn to do some of >the basic mechanical and preventive maintenance and trouble shooting >myself. Is there anyone on the list who is very knowledgeable on >series 3's who'd be willing to give periodic maintenance lessons for >a mutually determined fee? > >With my schedule, a class type situation seems unrealistic. I live in [ 7 additional quoted lines pruned. ] John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Land Rover Dormobile web pages: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby" 1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" 1999 Bianchi Milano, 2001 Bianchi Pista 2002 Meridian Attache Softride Tandem From bens Wed Jul 31 00:42:53 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6V4grL03194 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 00:42:53 -0400 Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 00:42:53 -0400 Message-Id: <200207310442.g6V4gr303190@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Shannon Holland To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mysterious 110 radiator disease Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org OK, I think I found the pdf I was looking for (plus one other). These both talk about different methods of relay suppression and the possible adverse effects on the relay (suppression basically causes the relay coil to take longer to de-energize leaving a possibility of the relay contact being partially disconnected which can cause arcing and possibly weld the contacts together - ouch!). At any rate, the method they recommend is regular diode in series with a zener diode - this limits the negative voltage spike without increasing the relay disconnect time too much (an example they list is 1.9ms versus 1.5ms). http://relays.tycoelectronics.com/app_pdfs/13c3264.pdf http://relays.tycoelectronics.com/app_pdfs/13c3311.pdf Oh, and no pdf (but some plugin that I don't have): http://www.leachintl2.com/english/english2/vol6/properties/how7.htm For all sorts of listings: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=relay+diode+suppression Shannon On Tuesday, July 30, 2002, at 10:16 AM, Shannon Holland wrote: > I'll ask Philippe for the part. I also found a really another good > description of how to deal with the spikes (I think the link I posted > before was a more a description of why they happen). It was pdf which I > printed, I'll try to dig up the original link. Turns out you can use > either a diode or a resistor. From bens Wed Jul 31 10:12:02 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6VEC2K05944 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 10:12:02 -0400 Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 10:12:02 -0400 Message-Id: <200207311412.g6VEC2B05940@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: " mendo rec list" Subject: RE: Good list & GPS stuff Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >I've long since stopped bringing my laptop in the truck. I do appreciate your and Ben's insight. I've been toying with the idea of getting a used ibook to take on trips and trying to find a GPS front end and mapping software for it. But I do agree the inside of a series rig can be awfully dusty, esp if you are trailing behind someone. I guess the GPS thing is best left to something more robust that takes up less space. Right now I still rely upon my compass & map. But I'm still intrigued by the idea that I can get my work done just as easily from a camp site overlooking a Pacific North West beach or a red slick rock canyon as I can in my living room in front of the window. Of course now I probably see a LOT more deer from my living room window (there is a small herd that just loves the wild plums & the acorns). TeriAnn Wakeman If you send me direct mail, please Santa Cruz, California start the subject line with TW - twakeman@cruzers.com I will be sure to read the message http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 From bens Wed Jul 31 10:43:38 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6VEhcN06186 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 10:43:38 -0400 Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 10:43:38 -0400 Message-Id: <200207311443.g6VEhcl06182@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Good list & GPS stuff Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "....Right now I still rely upon my compass & map....." And another bonus of that approach is the laughs you can get when some squid in a purple TJ squeezes by you on the trail while you're taking a bearing, and mumbles to his partner, "Man, that's old school..." Of course, you wouldn't know if he was talking about the compass, the Land Rover, or the view camera, but more's the better, I say. :^))) -Dave G. From bens Wed Jul 31 10:48:18 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6VEmII06244 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 10:48:18 -0400 Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 10:48:18 -0400 Message-Id: <200207311448.g6VEmIJ06240@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mysterious 110 radiator disease Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi Shannon, Good! It sounds like you are researching the problem and finding a solution. When I first noticed the back feeding voltage, (back EMF?)I had the fan hooked up direct, No relay, so the voltage was definitely from the fan motor. Next I added a relay and that didn't help. A big diode in series with the motor did fix it but the diode wasn't big enough and it blew a few days later. Bob B At 09:42 PM 7/30/2002, you wrote: >OK, I think I found the pdf I was looking for (plus one other). These >both talk about different methods of relay suppression and the possible >adverse effects on the relay (suppression basically causes the relay >coil to take longer to de-energize leaving a possibility of the relay >contact being partially disconnected which can cause arcing and possibly >weld the contacts together - ouch!). > >At any rate, the method they recommend is regular diode in series with a >zener diode - this limits the negative voltage spike without increasing [ 23 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Wed Jul 31 11:25:37 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6VFPbq06587 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 11:25:37 -0400 Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 11:25:37 -0400 Message-Id: <200207311525.g6VFPb806583@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Mysterious 110 radiator disease Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "...Next I added a relay and that didn't help...." I'm no EE, but shouldn't the opening of the relay have isolated the fan from the rest of the truck's electrical system? This is probably as close as LRs get to geek stuff. Interesting. :^) -Dave G. From bens Wed Jul 31 11:32:04 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6VFW4O06654 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 11:32:04 -0400 Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 11:32:03 -0400 Message-Id: <200207311532.g6VFW3e06650@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: Mysterious 110 radiator disease Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org That's what I thought but the problem remained with it running around 5 seconds after the key was shut off. Bob B At 08:25 AM 7/31/2002, you wrote: >"...Next I added a relay and that didn't help...." > >I'm no EE, but shouldn't the opening of the relay have isolated the fan from >the rest of the truck's electrical system? This is probably as close as LRs >get to geek stuff. Interesting. :^) > >-Dave G. From bens Wed Jul 31 12:14:38 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6VGEcs07079 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 12:14:38 -0400 Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 12:14:38 -0400 Message-Id: <200207311614.g6VGEcv07075@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Good list & GPS stuff Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org The concern about dust getting into a laptop used for topo applications is actually sort of moot as there are many simple ways of protecting the machine, from DIY plastic covers to slip cases to encapselated devices. Keeping dust and dirt off of a laptop is actually a very small limited problem to contend with. Mounting one is actually likely to be more complex and time consuming than protecting it from the elements. Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 From bens Wed Jul 31 12:15:02 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6VGF2F07101 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 12:15:02 -0400 Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 12:15:02 -0400 Message-Id: <200207311615.g6VGF2T07097@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Benjamin Smith To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RR for sale Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I know nothing about this other than it appeared in my inbox. Ben ------- Forwarded Message Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 08:45:54 -0700 To: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org From: "T. Anne Stinson" Subject: If you know someone who is interested.... Good morning: My father (recently debilitated by cancer) has a Range Rover he just loves, but can no longer drive. He'd love to see someone who appreciates the car have it as it as practically brand new. Please pass this on to someone you think might be interested. They are welcome to e-mail me. We are looking for an immediate sale. Thank you in advance. Info: '99 Range Rover 4.6HSE - For Sale Detailed Photos: http://www.raggamuffin.net/Range_Rover Less than 13K mi. Immaculate showroom condition. Includes extra set of Pirelli low-profile tyres (20" rims) Michelin Scorpion STs 11-speaker sound system Black w/Tan Interior Pristine Condition Bottom Line Price: $37,5000.00 Not interested in any trades. ------- End of Forwarded Message From bens Wed Jul 31 13:53:55 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6VHrtp08151 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 13:53:55 -0400 Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 13:53:55 -0400 Message-Id: <200207311753.g6VHrtu08147@minbar.fourfold.org> From: joe mulqueen To: mendo Subject: Not LR but SF Bay Related Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Not LR related but.. "The largest gathering of big sailing ships in the San San Francisco bay since the Gold Rush" starts 12:00 Aug 28 with a parade from the Golden Gate to Bay Bridges: http://www.sailsanfrancisco.org/ Joe Mulqueen '67 SIIA 109 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com From bens Wed Jul 31 13:57:41 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6VHvfp08208 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 13:57:41 -0400 Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 13:57:40 -0400 Message-Id: <200207311757.g6VHveH08204@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Shannon Holland To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mysterious 110 radiator disease Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org That is definitely bizzare - I would have thought the same. When you put the diode in, it went across the power leads to the fan, not the input to the relay coil? I've been told you do need a significant diode as it will be subjected to a decent amount of power (particularly if it's coming from the fan!). Hmmm, I presume the relay coil input came from a thermostat somewhere, where did the power to the thermostat come from? If it was from the battery (or other always on source), then the fan relay would stay engaged as long as the engine was warm enough. If it came from ignition, then it should cut off as soon as the motor was turned off. Is it possible that whatever was powering it would stay on for a bit after the truck was turned off (or as long as the motor was turning)? Shannon On Wednesday, July 31, 2002, at 08:32 AM, Bob & Sue Bernard wrote: > That's what I thought but the problem remained with it running around 5 > seconds after the key was shut off. From bens Wed Jul 31 13:57:48 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6VHvmP08223 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 13:57:48 -0400 Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 13:57:47 -0400 Message-Id: <200207311757.g6VHvl408219@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Shannon Holland To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Good list & GPS stuff Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org The other possibility are some of the fancier marine gps that have a large 320 by 240 pixel screen. You can download maps, but they're not as good as the USGS/etc ones... I always figured the dust problem could be solved one way or another (once you've decided to permanently install a computer) but was more concerned about where to put the damn thing. It seems like there aren't too many places you can fit a big screen and not have it get in the way of something... My thoughts were to get an older laptop (or small computer) and put it in the underseat compartment on the passenger side. Then the screen goes somewhere. Keyboard hides somewhere else (hopefully you don't need it much) and then a mouse could be largely replaced by a touchscreen. Shannon On Wednesday, July 31, 2002, at 09:14 AM, Jason Pipes wrote: > The concern about dust getting into a laptop used for topo applications > is > actually sort of moot as there are many simple ways of protecting the > machine, from DIY plastic covers to slip cases to encapselated devices. > Keeping dust and dirt off of a laptop is actually a very small limited > problem to contend with. Mounting one is actually likely to be more > complex > and time consuming than protecting it from the elements. From bens Wed Jul 31 14:19:12 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6VIJCG08501 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 14:19:12 -0400 Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 14:19:12 -0400 Message-Id: <200207311819.g6VIJCh08497@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Peter Whitbeck To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Where to buy Mean Green starter motor? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Disco starter died on me this morning. Does anyone in the Bay Area sell Mean Green Starter motors? Are they even available for Discoveries? TIA, Peter ************** Peter Whitbeck Peter@RailCarAmerica.com http://www.railcaramerica.com/pw/ From bens Wed Jul 31 14:21:08 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6VIL8j08563 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 14:21:08 -0400 Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 14:21:08 -0400 Message-Id: <200207311821.g6VIL8208559@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mysterious 110 radiator disease Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org It was through the ignition. I don't like the fan to come on after you shut off the engine. Bob B At 10:57 AM 7/31/2002, you wrote: >That is definitely bizzare - I would have thought the same. > >When you put the diode in, it went across the power leads to the fan, >not the input to the relay coil? I've been told you do need a >significant diode as it will be subjected to a decent amount of power >(particularly if it's coming from the fan!). > >Hmmm, I presume the relay coil input came from a thermostat somewhere, >where did the power to the thermostat come from? If it was from the [ 12 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Wed Jul 31 14:51:54 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6VIps608876 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 14:51:54 -0400 Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 14:51:53 -0400 Message-Id: <200207311851.g6VIprv08872@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Shane Ballensky To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Where to buy Mean Green starter motor? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I don't know of anyone local but Bill at : sells them. At 11:19 AM 7/31/02, you wrote: >Disco starter died on me this morning. > >Does anyone in the Bay Area sell Mean Green Starter motors? > >Are they even available for Discoveries? From bens Wed Jul 31 14:54:13 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6VIsDm08901 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 14:54:13 -0400 Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 14:54:12 -0400 Message-Id: <200207311854.g6VIsC808897@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Shannon Holland To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mysterious 110 radiator disease Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org On Wednesday, July 31, 2002, at 11:21 AM, Bob & Sue Bernard wrote: > It was through the ignition. I don't like the fan to come on after you > shut > off the engine. > Me neither (well, not come on indefinitely, I wouldn't mind it if it stayed on for a minute or two). That is truly bizzare problem though, sounds like something Mr. Lucas might have had a hand in... Shannon From bens Wed Jul 31 14:59:40 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6VIxe808965 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 14:59:40 -0400 Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 14:59:40 -0400 Message-Id: <200207311859.g6VIxeP08961@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Shannon Holland To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mysterious 110 radiator disease Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hmmm, wait, did power to the fan (through the relay) come from ignition as well? If so, then might the fan powering down provided enough voltage to the ignition circuit to keep things going? The relay won't disconnect immediately so there might have been enough of a relay connection going to allow the fan to keep things running? Shannon On Wednesday, July 31, 2002, at 11:21 AM, Bob & Sue Bernard wrote: > It was through the ignition. I don't like the fan to come on after you > shut > off the engine. From bens Wed Jul 31 15:11:18 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6VJBI009083 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 15:11:18 -0400 Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 15:11:18 -0400 Message-Id: <200207311911.g6VJBI509079@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Eric Johnson" To: Subject: Re: Where to buy Mean Green starter motor? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I THINK Great Basin Rovers carries that stuff. Try at 801-486-5049 >>> Peter@RailCarAmerica.com 07/31/02 11:19AM >>> Disco starter died on me this morning. Does anyone in the Bay Area sell Mean Green Starter motors? Are they even available for Discoveries? TIA, Peter ************** Peter Whitbeck Peter@RailCarAmerica.com http://www.railcaramerica.com/pw/ From bens Wed Jul 31 16:18:45 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6VKIjC09570 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 16:18:45 -0400 Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 16:18:45 -0400 Message-Id: <200207312018.g6VKIjG09566@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Fil F." To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Landrover challenge Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org just found this while surfing the net is this new ? http://www.landroverg4challenge.com/html/lrg4_english.asp fil _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From bens Wed Jul 31 16:38:10 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6VKcAV09927 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 16:38:10 -0400 Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 16:38:10 -0400 Message-Id: <200207312038.g6VKcAJ09923@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "mpatrykus" To: Subject: Rovers on the beach Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org If anyone is interested in cruising their Rover on the beach, then this event is for you. Saturday, September 21 is California Coastal Cleanup Day. A number of us in the LA/Central Coast area will be participating. We will be shuttling full bags of debris off the beach to a collection area where they are dropped off, weighed and disposed of. It's a fair trade- our trucks get some sand time and the sand gets a good cleanin'. Everyone gets a t-shirt and a warm feeling of having done something for mother nature. For more info, call Daniel Smith at (805) 551-3434 or RSVP at send2chaps@aol.com . Daniel will give you the details. Mo ------------------------------------------- Introducing NetZero Long Distance Unlimited Long Distance only $29.95/ month! Sign Up Today! www.netzerolongdistance.com From bens Wed Jul 31 19:37:57 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6VNbv810948 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 19:37:57 -0400 Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 19:37:57 -0400 Message-Id: <200207312337.g6VNbvr10944@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Cc: saylor@redshirt.com Subject: Brit Show in Monterey area. Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi all, I am sending this to inform SF Bay area British car owners that there will be the Scottish Highland games on Sunday august 4th at Toro County Park which is off hwy 66 between Salinas and Laguna Seca. Owners of British cars are invited as guests. Show up around 8-9 am and stay till 3pm plus. If you wish, you can bring pot luck stuff also. For more info or directions call Richard Saylor at 831-372-9215. His email is Cheers, Bob B From bens Wed Jul 31 19:50:45 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g6VNoj211024 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 19:50:45 -0400 Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 19:50:45 -0400 Message-Id: <200207312350.g6VNojW11020@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Shannon Holland To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Oh no, a diff question! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org So I'm having Philippe check out the 110 right now as the driveline clunk has been getting worse over the last month or so and having just put a new transmission in, I want to fix it before things get much worse. He's taken a look and, fortunately, the slack in the driveline is coming from the front diff and not the dreaded transfer case input gear. I've wanted to do something diff-locking wise so this makes me happy (although I didn't want to do it right now, but I bought a rover so I had better get used to it dictating what gets done when). So, now the big question (assuming the diff needs to be rebuilt/replaced) - what should I put in there? I think I want to stick with the stock 3.54 gearing (longer term I'd like to switch to a NV-4500 tranny and that should lower the gearing (in first at least) to provide something in between, plus that would mean I need to do the rear diff as well). Plus if I eventually put a larger engine in, the potential power/torque boost wouldn't be as desired. As far as lockers go, I get to choose between the Detroit TrueTrac (the Detroit Locker is only rear diff from what I understand), Quaiffe (don't really know much about them at all) and ARB. I'd really rather not screw up the steering, so this makes ARB tempting. However, my main concern with them has been reliability (seems that an internal air seal in the diff seems to wear frequently, requiring disassembly of the diff to replace it). Also, it seems that in a nasty off-road situation where I do need the locker, I might also not want my steering to be mostly gone. Yes, I can not activate the diff and then I'm no worse than I am now, but I do like the idea of something that's automatic. So, does anyone have experience with the Detroit or Quaiffe in the front diff? How much do they change your steering? In particular, what do they when one nasty things like ice (I do have a good snowboarding habit, so I'd really rather not add something potentially dangerous to those weekend trips)? Are these things really more reliable than ARB? If I do ARB in front, longer term I could do ARB in the back, or do the detroit locker. That way I have a front selectable locker if I'm really stuck (and going in a straight line) otherwise no worse off than I am now. Longer term I get the automatic joy in the back where I can still turn or have something to fall back on if the ARB system breaks down. I'd probably also go with an air cylinder (at least shorter term) rather than the compressor as it seems like a lot of extra complexity and cost that I'd like to avoid right now. Oh, and if I upgrade to a locking diff, what about my front axles - I presume I want to beef them up as well? What do people think? Thanks! Shannon From bens Wed Jul 31 20:30:04 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g710U4S11187 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 20:30:04 -0400 Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 20:30:04 -0400 Message-Id: <200208010030.g710U4E11183@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Ed Sanman To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: GPS Options Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I'll chime in here, since I use a Garmin 176C Chartplotter. It's got a nearly 4 inch diagonal color screen, 320X240 pixels. It takes Data Cards that run up to at least 128 meg. I have one 16 meg and one 64 meg, with Topo on the 16 and Metroguide on the 64. The 64 holds all of OR, WA and a sliver of CA and ID as well. I don't recall being on a trail that hasn't been mapped. We were on a dead-end quad track, near the top of the Elkhorn Mountains in Eastern Oregon, and even it was mapped. Plus, it goes portable, and hardly weighs any more than my old Garmin III. I have an external antenna, and the bars practically peak the moment it's turned on. I have carried a laptop in the past, hooked to the III. But, it's pretty hard to drive and play with it, unlike the 176C which sits right on top of the dash and swivels for either the driver or passenger. I'd highly recommend it. Ed From bens Wed Jul 31 20:53:16 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g710rGp11298 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 20:53:16 -0400 Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 20:53:16 -0400 Message-Id: <200208010053.g710rG711294@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Hannaford, Morgan" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: Scottish Games Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Rumor has it that a Series IIA 88" will be pulling an 18' Caravel Airstream to the Scottish Games in Pleasanton at the end of August (although the Rover will depart for a "bird watching" trip on Sep. 1st). Any other Rovers planning to attend the Scottish Games in Pleasanton? -Mo From bens Wed Jul 31 21:01:08 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g71118P11361 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 21:01:08 -0400 Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 21:01:08 -0400 Message-Id: <200208010101.g71118a11357@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Peter Hope" To: Subject: Re: GPS Options Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I have seen Eds set up. Very, very sweet. So's the GPS :-) Pete From bens Wed Jul 31 21:17:27 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g711HRX11469 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 21:17:27 -0400 Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 21:17:26 -0400 Message-Id: <200208010117.g711HQE11465@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Tom Walsh" To: Subject: Re: Landrover challenge Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I've never seen before for what its worth! TomW ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fil F." To: Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 1:18 PM Subject: Landrover challenge > > just found this while surfing the net > is this new ? > > > http://www.landroverg4challenge.com/html/lrg4_english.asp > > > [ 7 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Wed Jul 31 21:36:10 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g711aAA11562 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 21:36:10 -0400 Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 21:36:10 -0400 Message-Id: <200208010136.g711aAS11558@minbar.fourfold.org> From: craig reece To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Oh no, a diff question! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Shannon, I have a rear Detroit with about 10K miles on it for sale for $300 if you're interested. I'll let others comment on the pros and cons of the Detroit since I'm obviously not an unbiased party on the subject. Teri Ann has a Quaife in front and will probably pipe in on that subject. Craig You wrote: > > So, now the big question (assuming the diff needs to be > rebuilt/replaced) - what should I put in there? > > I think I want to stick with the stock 3.54 gearing (longer term I'd > like to switch to a NV-4500 tranny and that should lower the gearing (in > first at least) to provide something in between, plus that would mean I > need to do the rear diff as well). Plus if I eventually put a larger > engine in, the potential power/torque boost wouldn't be as desired. [ 38 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Wed Jul 31 23:09:58 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7139wR11983 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 23:09:58 -0400 Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 23:09:58 -0400 Message-Id: <200208010309.g7139wL11979@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Peter Ogilvie To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Oh no, a diff question! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Craig, don't be modest about giving us your opinion amd experience of the Detroit Locker. They seem to be ubiquitous on US trucks and would like to know why, other than cost. Do you have the late model one with the 'soft' unlock or one of the early crash bam type. I've thought about a trutrac front and Detroit rear as it's the most economical way to gain traction, front and back. How anyone can anyone go off road without lockers is a mystery to me. I always seem to get a front wheel airborne and the rears on wet grass and go nowhere. Of course the above is my experience in the 109 on a trail that I used to take daily in my unlocked 88. Aloha Peter O. --- craig reece wrote: > I have a rear Detroit with about 10K miles on it for > sale for $300 if you're > interested. I'll let others comment on the pros and > cons of the Detroit > since I'm obviously not an unbiased party on the > subject. Teri Ann has a > Quaife in front and will probably pipe in on that > subject. > [ 1 additional quoted lines pruned. ] __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From bens Wed Jul 31 23:23:55 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g713Ntu12079 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 23:23:55 -0400 Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 23:23:55 -0400 Message-Id: <200208010323.g713Ntd12075@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Shannon Holland To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Oh no, a diff question! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Craig, Is it the locker or the TrueTrac? I would actually be quite interested in your opinion on it as you obviously used it! Oh, and I guess the next obvious question would be, why are you selling it? Thanks! Shannon On Wednesday, July 31, 2002, at 06:36 PM, craig reece wrote: > I have a rear Detroit with about 10K miles on it for sale for $300 if > you're > interested. I'll let others comment on the pros and cons of the Detroit > since I'm obviously not an unbiased party on the subject. Teri Ann has a > Quaife in front and will probably pipe in on that subject.
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