From bens Thu Aug 1 00:27:57 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g714RvD13592 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 00:27:57 -0400 Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 00:27:56 -0400 Message-Id: <200208010427.g714Ru413588@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "APG:BEN" To: Subject: Re: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #807 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Thanks TeriAnn and James ("I don't think selling my SIII is a mistake. ..... I want to get something slightly different: a 109 Station Wagon. ...... TeriAnn's theory on keeping two vehicles running instead of three.." Solange and I are running a SIII 88" ute and a S2A LWB SW (as well as a Riley). We've had no real fears until recently when an old timer came in from the bush in a S2 SWB, told us he'd never have a station wagon because the longer wheel base meant inevitable broken rear axles. Have any of you heard this one before? Any truth to it? Ted From bens Thu Aug 1 01:03:22 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7153Mr14087 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 01:03:22 -0400 Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 01:03:22 -0400 Message-Id: <200208010503.g7153Md14083@minbar.fourfold.org> From: john hess To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #807 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org yep. Inevitable broken axles with any Land Rover. >Thanks TeriAnn and James ("I don't think selling my SIII is a mistake. >..... I want to get something slightly different: a 109 Station Wagon. >...... TeriAnn's theory on keeping two vehicles running instead of three.." > >Solange and I are running a SIII 88" ute and a S2A LWB SW (as well as a >Riley). We've had no real fears until recently when an old timer came in >from the bush in a S2 SWB, told us he'd never have a station wagon because >the longer wheel base meant inevitable broken rear axles. Have any of you >heard this one before? Any truth to it? [ 2 additional quoted lines pruned. ] John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Land Rover Dormobile web pages: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby" 1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" 1999 Bianchi Milano, 2001 Bianchi Pista 2002 Meridian Attache Softride Tandem From bens Thu Aug 1 01:33:44 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g715Xio14260 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 01:33:44 -0400 Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 01:33:44 -0400 Message-Id: <200208010533.g715Xic14256@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kevin Kelly" To: "Mendo List" Subject: Laptops and GPS Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Jason wrote: > The concern about dust getting into a laptop used for topo > applications is actually sort of moot as there are many simple > ways of protecting the machine, from DIY plastic covers to > slip cases to encapselated devices. Since you can get a nice used laptop on eBay for way less than a decent GPS (under $100) it makes a lot of sense to buy an older laptop (if you don't have one sitting around) to use in the car with the GPS so you are not driving around with your new $4K Pentium IV laptop sitting between the seats (I caught Ben's laptop once just before it hit Dora's dash). I've been thinking of using an old laptop that I would keep on the back seat floor connected to the GPS (and plugged in to a 12V-110V converter since all old laptops have dead batteries). I could view the information through a remote LCD screen from Parts Express (www.partsexpress.com) and control it with a remote touchpad mouse. Kevin From bens Thu Aug 1 01:49:04 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g715n4I14355 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 01:49:04 -0400 Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 01:49:03 -0400 Message-Id: <200208010549.g715n3214351@minbar.fourfold.org> From: craig reece To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Oh no, a diff question! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Peter, Ok, here's what I think. I like the relative lack of complexity of the Detroit over the ARB air-locker - no airlines, no o-rings, no compressor, switch and related wiring. I like the idea that you'll always have at least a rear locker - or at least you have a better chance of always having a locker. I do have the new Soft-Locker, and I had the previous version - the non-soft model - in an early Bronco, and I can't see much difference. Both unlock violently occasionally - it's a little alarming until you get used to it. Handling on the road - it causes a little twitch if you're going around a curve and it "chooses" that time to unlock - but nothing that even a first-time driver couldn't handle. Some feel it's a problem on snow and ice, I've never had a problem - but I've got a Defender, and I think fulltime 4WD, especially with the center diff locked - helps mitigate any tendency of the Detroit to push the truck around. Shannon would have fewer handling problems caused by the Detroit than my 90 due to the increased wheelbase of his 110, I think. So why am I selling it? Because I too have an annoying driveline clunk, even though I have the upgraded transfercase, new driveline U-joints and less than 50K on the R380 and the rest of the driveline - and some people feel that the backlash required by the Detroit exacerbates driveline clunk. So I'm going to throw an ARB in the rear to match that in the front. Craig Peter Ogilvie wrote: > Craig, don't be modest about giving us your opinion > amd experience of the Detroit Locker. They seem to be > ubiquitous on US trucks and would like to know why, > other than cost. Do you have the late model one with > the 'soft' unlock or one of the early crash bam type. > > I've thought about a trutrac front and Detroit rear as > it's the most economical way to gain traction, front > and back. How anyone can anyone go off road without [ 25 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Thu Aug 1 01:53:31 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g715rVR14387 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 01:53:31 -0400 Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 01:53:30 -0400 Message-Id: <200208010553.g715rUb14383@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Peter Ogilvie To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #807 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I don't know why but I seem to inadvertantly spin the wheels when starting off on the 109 a lot more than on the 88. I would expect it to be just the opposite, however. Also the 109 weighs more and can be loaded heavier so will inherently have more strain on the axles. Having said the above, haven't had any more axle problems than I've had with the 88. Yep, had the obligatory backing out of the garage axle break just after buying the truck but none since. I make short steep rubble strewn climbs almost every day so it's not for the want of trying. It was the 109 with the 6 cylinder engine that first got the Salisbury, there must have been a reason. Aloha Peter O. --- john hess wrote: > > yep. Inevitable broken axles with any Land Rover. > > > > >Thanks TeriAnn and James ("I don't think selling my > SIII is a mistake. > >..... I want to get something slightly different: a > 109 Station Wagon. [ 25 additional quoted lines pruned. ] __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From bens Thu Aug 1 10:00:45 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g71E0j116863 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 10:00:45 -0400 Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 10:00:45 -0400 Message-Id: <200208011400.g71E0jg16859@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Oh no, a diff question! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I've never owned a truck with a tru-trac or detroit locker, but I've driven some on and off road. I was really surprised at how LITTLE impact there was to on-road snowy driving with those diffs in a D90. An old CJ a buddy of mine had was a little different story, but that truck was twitchy as hell under the best of circumstances, so I'm not sure how much was due to the locker. In my very limited experience, a tru trac is about the very best thing you can do for a front diff, and I might be tempted to go that way on both ends. They do seem to be a kind of install it and forget it thing that just works well without you even knowing it. The quaife is a pretty rare beast over here, so I'd have to look to the expertise of someone like Bill Davis to compare and contrast it on a theoretical basis with the Tru trac. It's too bad there aren't more hydraulic locker systems out there. The ones on the 460 G are pretty simple, turn on and off very positively, and put the open/locked choice on either end as close as pulling a lever at your right thigh. The only time people seem to have any trouble with them is if they don't use them (for like 20 years), and don't flush the fluid every few years. Mine have worked perfectly every time they were called on. -Dave G. From bens Thu Aug 1 10:22:27 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g71EMR217053 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 10:22:27 -0400 Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 10:22:27 -0400 Message-Id: <200208011422.g71EMRk17049@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: " mendo rec list" Subject: Re: Oh no, a diff question! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >So I'm having Philippe check out the 110 right now as the driveline >clunk Be sure to check the rear drive flanges at the hubs for wear every 20K miles or so. The drive flanges for Salisburies seem to be too soft. It doesn't take a whole lot of free play to make a noticeable clunk. When you find too much wear, an alternative is Salisbury drive flanges from Great Basin Rovers. Just an FYI for the future since you seem to have located a bigger source of noise. >As far as lockers go, I get to choose between the Detroit TrueTrac (the >Detroit Locker is only rear diff from what I understand), Quaiffe (don't >really know much about them at all) and ARB. A Quaife is an automatic torque biasing design that gradually applies the prop shaft torque to the axle that is spinning the lowest speed. Last time I looked, the Quaife web site had a very good description on how their diff worked. Well worth a visit if you are considering one. When I had mine installed at San Jose Rear end Specialty, they told me it was the strongest design they had seen in its size class. They said Quaife made extensive use of forged steel where other manufactures felt cheaper cast steel was OK and that the carrier was a super strong 6 pin design. Quaife is seems to be the standard diff for the race vehicle crowd. >I'd really rather not screw up the steering, I've had the Quaife in The Green Rover's font end since Sept '97 and have driven with it under a very wide range of conditions. I have never felt the diff do anything but I have seen the results of what it does. The Quaife adjusts torque levels between the two axles gradually so you never feel or hear it. It in no way affects steering. The ONLY way I know it is there is that the front end of my LR does a much better job of going where I point it. There is one failing with the design. It requires some resistance from each axle to work. So put one wheel in the air and the Quafe acts like an open diff. The trick is to lightly apply the brakes to create some resistance. Trutracs have the same problem. That's why if you are watching a hill climb and a vehicle gets cross axled sometimes you see brake lights when you think the driver should be applying power. They are running either Quaife's or Trutrac's. You will see this if you watch Timm Copper's rig. >. Also, it seems that in a nasty >off-road situation where I do need the locker, I might also not want my >steering to be mostly gone. I'm one of those people who like to work the front wheels to maximize the grip on the edge treads of the front tyres in soft soil/mud situations. A Quaife or Trutrac lets me do that without hindrance in any way. While I believe manual switchable lockers are the best for good traction hill climbs I feel that having an automatic biasing diff up front and a manual locker in the rear is the best compromise for a wide range of driving conditions. >So, does anyone have experience with the Detroit or Quaiffe in the front >diff? How much do they change your steering? Not at all > In particular, what do they when one nasty things like ice Worst case is the diff acts like a stock open diff. Very light brake pressure corrects that. Unlike the open diff that defaults to all power to one axle, the Quaife & I assume Trutrac default to a 50-50 torque ratio to both axles and gradually shifts torque from there. >Are these things really more reliable than ARB? I've never experienced a problem with my Quaife. They seem to be the standard with the race crowd. It is supposed to be a stronger design which a higher percentage of forged steel. I have no actual data to back this up. So take it as heresay. >If I do ARB in front, longer term I could do ARB in the back, or do the >detroit locker. If you are going to put a locker on only one axle, I suggest it be the rear. It will do the most good there. Especially on climbs. I'm personally biased against auto locking diffs. I want to decide when it would be useful to have a locked diff instead having it kick in and out on its own sometimes when I least expect or want it. If nothing else I think you develop better driving technique when you trail open diff but there are some places where you just won't make it without help or the potential of damage becomes high with an open diff. It is nice to lock it under those conditions. The Green Rover has an Quaife up front and an ARB in the rear Salisbury and I am quite happy with the combo. But I'm not a gonzo rock climber either. Last time I asked (about 2 years ago), Timm Cooper ran auto torque biasing diffs front & rear and he is gonzo everything. >I'd probably also go with an air cylinder (at least shorter term) rather >than the compressor as it seems like a lot of extra complexity and cost >that I'd like to avoid right now. I like a compressor (QuickAir 2) primarily because it lets me air up at the end of a trail. Knowing I can do this makes me more apt to air down to best meet trail conditions. One thing you might consider is a built in air tank for now with the option of a compressor later. You could permanently mount a tank and run a fill hose that has a quick disconnect to a place where you might want a compressor later. With a disconnect & maybe some adaptors you could refill on the trail from a buddy with a compressor if needed or from a gas station that has compressed air available. That way your plumbing between the air locker and tank would not be disturbed whenever you had to fill the tank and you would have all the air plumbing downstream of a compressor preinstalled. Just a thought. >Oh, and if I upgrade to a locking diff, what about my front axles - I >presume I want to beef them up as well? Second question for the axle experts out there. Isn't a locked diff actually easier on the axles than an open diff? An open diff lets one axle carry all the torque where an locked one makes for a 50-50 split. >What do people think? TeriAnn Wakeman If you send me direct mail, please Santa Cruz, California start the subject line with TW - twakeman@cruzers.com I will be sure to read the message http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 From bens Thu Aug 1 10:27:08 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g71ER8h17100 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 10:27:08 -0400 Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 10:27:08 -0400 Message-Id: <200208011427.g71ER8A17096@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: " mendo rec list" Subject: Re: Scottish Games Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Any other Rovers planning to attend the Scottish >Games in Pleasanton? That's Labour day weekend as I recall. Portland All British Field Meet is the same weekend. TeriAnn Wakeman If you send me direct mail, please Santa Cruz, California start the subject line with TW - twakeman@cruzers.com I will be sure to read the message http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 From bens Thu Aug 1 10:42:07 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g71Eg7k17181 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 10:42:07 -0400 Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 10:42:07 -0400 Message-Id: <200208011442.g71Eg7317177@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: " mendo rec list" Subject: Re: Oh no, a diff question! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >How anyone can anyone go off road without >lockers is a mystery to me. The answer is simple. Makes for a more challanging drive under less potentially damaging conditions. If you are driving open diff you learn to spend more time picking the best path through an obstical. I think it is a great way to hone your trailing instints. I personally look at the locker as being for those places where the trail is beyond my driving skills with an open diff or the chances of damage are high. Of course having the Quaife up front is kinda like cheating a little. TeriAnn Wakeman If you send me direct mail, please Santa Cruz, California start the subject line with TW - twakeman@cruzers.com I will be sure to read the message http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 From bens Thu Aug 1 10:53:28 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g71ErSC17290 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 10:53:28 -0400 Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 10:53:28 -0400 Message-Id: <200208011453.g71ErSe17286@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kerner, Rob" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE:Oh no a diff questions Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html ] [ 75 lines filtered. ] This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. I'll throw my opinion in. The quiaffe up front is great. I can't say I have ever noticed it there, except that it helps Regent get through obstacles. I was under the impression that the true trac was very similar to a quaiffe, where it uses gears to transfer power thereby making the transfer less clicky/grabby. Regents rear locker is hella cool. No air. You get out turn a bolt with a wrench to engage it and the rear gets locked together... Very few parts to fail. That being said I have only locked it 4 times. Part of the rear locker upgrade was 24 splined hardened axels, which are much beefier than stock rear axels on a series. -Rob From bens Thu Aug 1 10:54:30 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g71EsU717310 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 10:54:30 -0400 Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 10:54:30 -0400 Message-Id: <200208011454.g71EsUP17306@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Benjamin Smith To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Oh no, a diff question! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In message <200208011442.g71Eg7317177@minbar.fourfold.org>you wrote: >How anyone can anyone go off road without >lockers is a mystery to me. I've been wheeling with LRs for over 10 years now. I've never had a locker any any of my Rovers. For 99% of it a locker isn't needed. Most of the time when you get to a point that you can't get past, you back up and try a different line or a little more speed and get through. And somtimes you need a little extra weight on a corner or a quick tug via winch or tow strap to get through. I tend to err more on the idle through in first low than bounce through at full speed camp. Would I like a locker? Sure. But a winch was higher on my list than lockers. And I've never had the extra $1000 laying around waiting to spent. It's a capital expense that's been on the want list for 6+ years. Maybe when I rebuild Dora... Despite what many people think, it is possible to do reasonable rock crawling and tough trails w/o any under body armour--you just have to be more careful and think where you are putting your tyres. Though after a recent run in on a solo run backing slowly into a stump, I think that diff guards on the Disco might be a good thing. The diff case is patheticially thin on the Discos. Anyway, which mods that one makes is apt to start a holy war, which I don't want to do. YMMV. Ben From bens Thu Aug 1 10:55:24 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g71EtOR17354 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 10:55:24 -0400 Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 10:55:24 -0400 Message-Id: <200208011455.g71EtOd17350@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: " mendo rec list" Subject: Re: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #807 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >We've had no real fears until recently when an old timer came in >from the bush in a S2 SWB, told us he'd never have a station wagon because >the longer wheel base meant inevitable broken rear axles. Have any of you >heard this one before? Any truth to it? Yep. A 109 station wagon is the heaviest of the bunch out of the factory. And the heavier 109s do go through more axles than the lighter 88. That is why the Land Rover factory made a Salisbury the standard rear axle for a series III 109. I broke 6 rear axles before going to a Salisbury and haven't lost one yet. Knock on birmarbright. A series III rear axle assembly and prop shaft is a bolt on swap for 109 and makes the vehicle a lot more relaible. TeriAnn Wakeman If you send me direct mail, please Santa Cruz, California start the subject line with TW - twakeman@cruzers.com I will be sure to read the message http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 From bens Thu Aug 1 11:27:27 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g71FRRb17594 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 11:27:27 -0400 Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 11:27:27 -0400 Message-Id: <200208011527.g71FRRJ17590@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Oh no, a diff question! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "...Isn't a locked diff actually easier on the axles than an open diff? An open diff lets one axle carry all the torque where an locked one makes for a 50-50 split....." Close, but not quite. Think of it like this, and we'll consider a 2wd car for simplicity. When driving in a straight line, the MAXIMUM percentage of engine torque that can be delivered to any wheel by an open diff is 50%. The total torque that can be delivered by the open diff is limited by (the input torque of course, and) the contact patch with the WORST traction. If the traction at the left wheel will only support a force that is something less than 50% of the engine torque, then the open diff can't put any more than that reduced force to EITHER wheel. Not sure I'm being clear here.... The locker on the other hand, when locked up, can not deliver any LESS than 50% of the input torque to either wheel. The torque is split in direct proportion to the available traction at each wheel. If total traction is split 50/50, so is torque. Same if total available traction is split 70/30 or 100/0. Think of lifting a wheel with either design. Lift a wheel with the open diff and how much torque is going through the axle on the ground? Zero. Lift a wheel with the diff locked and how much torque is going through the axle on the ground? 100%. -Dave G. From bens Thu Aug 1 12:06:31 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g71G6VH17831 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 12:06:31 -0400 Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 12:06:31 -0400 Message-Id: <200208011606.g71G6VV17827@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Oh no, a diff question! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I was actually looking at several sites for a rear locker for Gillian when that damn 109SW came along..... I'm considering going with a truetrack up front, and a ARB rear, or possibly two Truetracks. After reading all the info on GBR's site, I'm wondering if that's what the Rangie has underneath her (the Truetracks) - or, if I'm a better off-roader than I thought! I have experienced the original Detroit Locker in the rear of a '71 Mustang 429SCJ (the Super Cobra Jet was produced after Mr. Shelby's departure from that joint venture): it came stock from the factory with one, and it was a handfull when doing a simple right turn around a corner! BUT...get that beast in a straight line and dump the clutch - woha momma! It grabbed with both wheels, no matter what tires you had on it! Dunno if I'd go with one in a Land Rover. Oh - the car? A friend of mine bought it in 1983 because he had owned a '71 fastback before, but it had an automatic trans, and he wanted one with a 4-speed. He bought this one for a measley $1200 in original - and mint - condition! (bought it from an old man who didn't know what he had) My friend took it to a rear end shop because of the inside wheel doing nasty things when making right turns - and it was then that HE was told what it was that he had. He sold it 4 1/2 years later for $50,000! Charles ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Thu Aug 1 12:29:14 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g71GTEK17983 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 12:29:14 -0400 Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 12:29:14 -0400 Message-Id: <200208011629.g71GTEP17979@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Shannon Holland To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Oh no, a diff question! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org On Thursday, August 1, 2002, at 07:22 AM, TeriAnn Wakeman wrote: > Be sure to check the rear drive flanges at the hubs for wear every 20K > miles or so. The drive flanges for Salisburies seem to be too soft. It > doesn't take a whole lot of free play to make a noticeable clunk. When > you find too much wear, an alternative is Salisbury drive flanges from > Great Basin Rovers. > > Just an FYI for the future since you seem to have located a bigger > source > of noise. OK, thanks! > > >> As far as lockers go, I get to choose between the Detroit TrueTrac (the >> Detroit Locker is only rear diff from what I understand), Quaiffe >> (don't >> really know much about them at all) and ARB. > > A Quaife is an automatic torque biasing design that gradually applies > the [ 11 additional quoted lines pruned. ] Where did you get this diff from, is there a US distributor? I had heard that they were very strong (well, I think I read about them on their site a few months back). had also heard opinions that they were more for smaller cars and weren't strong enough for a truck. It's good to hear this from someone who actually has the thing! Thanks much for all the info TerriAnn! I need to run along to work right now, but I imagine I might have some more questions later today. Shannon From bens Thu Aug 1 12:31:19 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g71GVJx18030 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 12:31:19 -0400 Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 12:31:19 -0400 Message-Id: <200208011631.g71GVJV18026@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Shannon Holland To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Oh no, a diff question! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org On Thursday, August 1, 2002, at 07:00 AM, Gomes, David wrote: > I've never owned a truck with a tru-trac or detroit locker, but I've > driven > some on and off road. I was really surprised at how LITTLE impact > there was > to on-road snowy driving with those diffs in a D90. An old CJ a buddy > of > mine had was a little different story, but that truck was twitchy as > hell > under the best of circumstances, so I'm not sure how much was due to the [ 13 additional quoted lines pruned. ] Well that is good to hear! Did you notice any difference on-road with better traction around tight corners, etc? I think right now it's a decision between the Quaife and TrueTrac (my main concern on the Quaife being availability). Thanks! Shannon From bens Thu Aug 1 12:50:42 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g71Gogl18195 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 12:50:42 -0400 Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 12:50:41 -0400 Message-Id: <200208011650.g71GofK18191@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Shane Ballensky To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Oh no, a diff question! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > >Where did you get this diff from, is there a US distributor? I had heard >that they were very strong (well, I think I read about them on their >site a few months back). had also heard opinions that they were more for >smaller cars and weren't strong enough for a truck. It's good to hear >this from someone who actually has the thing! For a US distributor try: http://www.expeditionexchange.com/quaife/ as you can see from the EE site the quaife is more than double the price of the truetrac which EE also sells. For more info you can call John at EE and he will give you more info. I'm pretty sure he will tell you to get the TT. As for me I like ARB's >Shane From bens Thu Aug 1 12:59:23 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g71GxNU18296 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 12:59:23 -0400 Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 12:59:23 -0400 Message-Id: <200208011659.g71GxNB18292@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Franklin H. Yap" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Oh no, a diff question! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Shannon Holland wrote: >... >I think right now it's a decision between the Quaife and TrueTrac (my >main concern on the Quaife being availability). > There are a few people in the Bay Area who bought the Quaife when BP dumped them at (or below?) cost. You should check if BP still has any sitiing on their shelves. You may also want to check on the mendo list if anyone wants to sell the one they have that may just be collecting dust! Frank From bens Thu Aug 1 13:06:24 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g71H6O018397 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 13:06:24 -0400 Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 13:06:24 -0400 Message-Id: <200208011706.g71H6OB18393@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Cc: "John N. Lee (E-mail)" Subject: RE: Oh no, a diff question! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "...Did you notice any difference on-road with better traction around tight corners, etc?..." On pavement or dirt roads, I didn't even know the detroit was back there. It was noticeable on hard packed snow and ice, but not anything objectionable to me. Different folks are different, of course, and I do tend to adapt to things pretty quickly and then not notice them any more. But my very first seat time impression of the Detroit locker in the (not my) D-90 was , "wow, this is totally transparent. Nothing like what I remember from the CJ". Now that I think about it, my experience added to Charles' comments combine to tell me that Detroit has been constantly improving the product over the years. John Lee at Expedition Exchange has the Detroit rear/ tru trac front setup in the D90 he bought from me. If you e-mail him there I'm sure he'd be glad to share his experiences. I don't think they SELL either of those units, so you don't need to worry about bias. Not that you would from John anyway. He's definitely a guy who sells what he believes in, rather than the other way around. -Dave G. From bens Thu Aug 1 13:07:37 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g71H7ba18416 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 13:07:37 -0400 Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 13:07:36 -0400 Message-Id: <200208011707.g71H7aP18412@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Peter Ogilvie To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Oh no, a diff question! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Think you'll find the deciding factor will be the cost of the Quaiffe. They are supposedly the best limited slip available used in most of the FWD European Rally cars. If memory serves me right, cost is considerably more than a Detroit, however. Traction around tight corners is probably going to be worse with a Detroit Locker. The Detroit is normally locked but unlocks when one tire tries to overspeed like going around a corner. I think the fastest side unlocks like so it performs like an open differential. If you're pushing it like I used to do with my MGA, the inside tire can lift in a turn and you have momentary loss of driving force. It's probably hypothetical, however, as I doubt you can develop turn induced centrifugal 'g' force to lift an inside wheel in a Series or any Land Rover, for that matter. The high CG and tires don't allow you to go fast enough in controlled situations. Also, it's the unlocking of the differntial in turns that has been the biggest complaint against the Detroit. It can cause the rear end to be a bit skittish. Though as reported it's no big deal in a 90 or a 109. Personally, I think the bad rep. comes from CJ5 equipped trucks. These very short wheelbase trucks with the front shackle springs, on the front, are notoriously squirrely to drive. I drove one with open diffs and big tires that took total concentration just to keep it in its lane on a straight road at 50mph. Curves were hopeless. That truck was the worst, to the point of being dangerous above 40mph, vehicle that I've ever driven. Aloha Peter O. Aloha Peter O. Aloha Peter O. --- Shannon Holland wrote: > > > On Thursday, August 1, 2002, at 07:00 AM, Gomes, > David wrote: > > > I've never owned a truck with a tru-trac or > detroit locker, but I've > > driven > > some on and off road. I was really surprised at [ 24 additional quoted lines pruned. ] __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From bens Thu Aug 1 13:24:48 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g71HOmA18632 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 13:24:48 -0400 Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 13:24:47 -0400 Message-Id: <200208011724.g71HOl918628@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Peter Ogilvie To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: Oh no, a diff question! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Yes the wheel with tractions gets the majority of the torque in a locked differential which is just the opposite of an open differential. One supposed benefit of a locked diff is the fact that they are normally locked and both spin at the same rpm irregardless of individual traction. In an open diff. the theory is that it's the high rpm spin of the open side instantaneously dropping to near zero rpm when it suddenly regains tractions that overtorgues and overstresses the axles. Otherwise, it's not the torque of high traction that breaks axles but the sudden application of high torque to a formerly spinning tire that's the problem. Don't know about the efficacy of the above theory, however. Someone was running a Lincoln Locker, welded diff., and busted even hardened, supertough axles with alarming freguency. Of course, that driver has a reputation for exercising the full performance spectrum of an 88 off road. Aloha Peter O. --- "Gomes, David" wrote: > > "...Isn't a locked diff actually easier on the axles > than an open diff? An > open diff lets one axle carry all the torque where > an locked one makes for a > 50-50 split....." > > Close, but not quite. Think of it like this, and > we'll consider a 2wd car [ 36 additional quoted lines pruned. ] __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From bens Thu Aug 1 13:27:05 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g71HR5918667 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 13:27:05 -0400 Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 13:27:05 -0400 Message-Id: <200208011727.g71HR5s18663@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Isaac Fain To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: aftermarket parts and stock LR's Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Ben - I largely agree with you. I've gone places on the 205/85 XPC's that left alot of others waiting back down at the parking lot, and dumb faces on a few of the "big guns". I try to tell this to a lot of folks who are new to their disco, rangie, etc. etc. - but they get infected with the commercialism of the aftermarket industry, and it's all over from there. having said that, i think a front diff guard and strong aftermarket front and rear recovery points are necessities. People (especially we "manly men") get caught up in the whole macho image of having a "truck", and forget to learn how to drive. big this, big that. locked this, locked that. 50 years of engineering and refinement sit in the base LR product. I've too have found it to work pretty well as it sits in the driveway. the other big negative for going big and locked IMO is that, as Teri Anne has mentioned, it takes out the challenge and subsequently most of the reward for "cleaning" obstacles on the trail. I think if folks knew how much less fun some of the overbuilt trucks were having in comparison they would think less about those 35's and lockers. Or how hard it is and the distance required to find a suitably challenging trails. if your off-road activities have moved on to harder trails, more rock-crawling type driving, or alternatively just a much higher frequency of trail-riding (say once or twice per month) - I wouldn't hesitate to start upgrading those axles. But for 90% of the occasional off-road crowd (5x/year), the stock rig works great, only needs gas to get out on the trail, and still produces big smiles. cheers, isaac fain seattle, wa '91 RR "Gatsby" --- Benjamin Smith wrote: > > In message <200208011442.g71Eg7317177@minbar.fourfold.org>you wrote: > > >How anyone can anyone go off road without > >lockers is a mystery to me. > > I've been wheeling with LRs for over 10 years now. I've never had > a locker any any of my Rovers. For 99% of it a locker isn't needed. Most of > the time when you get to a point that you can't get past, you back up and try [ 24 additional quoted lines pruned. ] __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From bens Thu Aug 1 13:32:25 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g71HWPP18729 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 13:32:25 -0400 Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 13:32:24 -0400 Message-Id: <200208011732.g71HWO618725@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Oh no, a diff question! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org While on this subject, does anybody know if Haldex is making any diffs for vehicles other than rally cars -or do they own Quaiffe? How 'bout Kent Automotive Developments? (KAD) I think one of them was bought, but I can't remember by whom. Charles On Thu, 1 Aug 2002 13:07:36 -0400 Peter Ogilvie writes: > > Think you'll find the deciding factor will be the cost > of the Quaiffe. They are supposedly the best limited > slip available used in most of the FWD European Rally > cars. If memory serves me right, cost is considerably > more than a Detroit, however. > > Traction around tight corners is probably going to be > worse with a Detroit Locker. The Detroit is normally [ 54 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Thu Aug 1 13:38:53 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g71Hcrp18786 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 13:38:53 -0400 Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 13:38:52 -0400 Message-Id: <200208011738.g71HcqJ18782@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Isaac Fain To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: quaife lineage Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org By and large, quaife's development of their traction differential was performed behind 700-1000hp Porsches throughout the 1970's. Their smooth operation was specially designed so as not to upset a track car on throttle through curving courses, loaded with left to right transitions where a sudden loss of torque, or similarly an off-balance torque spike would create a deadly spin. sometimes mistaken as german, quaife is an english company and specializes in many driveline components in addition to fr/rr diffs. http://www.quaife.co.uk/ while the product is virtually bomb-proof, I feel that a TruTrac would do the job as well for most off-road scenarios for half the price. If I were needing something for a track car, especially anything with a Porsche badge - there would be no question in choosing quaife above all others. cheers, isaac fain seattle, wa 91 RR "Gatsby" --- Peter Ogilvie wrote: > > Think you'll find the deciding factor will be the cost > of the Quaiffe. They are supposedly the best limited > slip available used in most of the FWD European Rally > cars. If memory serves me right, cost is considerably > more than a Detroit, however. > > Traction around tight corners is probably going to be > worse with a Detroit Locker. The Detroit is normally [ 54 additional quoted lines pruned. ] __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From bens Thu Aug 1 13:47:12 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g71HlCH18888 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 13:47:12 -0400 Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 13:47:12 -0400 Message-Id: <200208011747.g71HlC118884@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Benjamin Smith To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: aftermarket parts and stock LR's Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In message <200208011727.g71HR5s18663@minbar.fourfold.org>you wrote: > industry, and it's all over from there. having said that, i think a front di > guard and strong aftermarket front and rear recovery points are necessities. Recovery points are essential. With the Disco, I went with the military recovery loops that bolt to the frame. A bit overpriced ($55 each at the time from R$), but a stock part that you don't notice. The Series III 88 has front Drings (I welded them since I couldn't bolt them) and the rear had a stock hitch to pull from. You are right. Strong recovery points are item #1. Ben From bens Thu Aug 1 13:49:51 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g71HnpV18933 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 13:49:51 -0400 Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 13:49:51 -0400 Message-Id: <200208011749.g71Hnpp18929@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: " mendo rec list" Subject: Re: Oh no, a diff question! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Where did you get this diff from, is there a US distributor? I got mine from BP. They used to be a distributer but LR folk tend to pinch pennys tighter than a locomotive would flatten one. BP ended up selling out their stock on hand for less than they paid for them just too get some instant cash. I got the next to last from their deal of the day close out sale. Granny got one for the Snark and last I head it has never been installed. > I had heard >that they were very strong (well, I think I read about them on their >site a few months back). had also heard opinions that they were more for >smaller cars and weren't strong enough for a truck. There are a lot of them on some very high powered race cars plus a number installed on commercial work vehicles that go off the tarmac. TeriAnn Wakeman If you send me direct mail, please Santa Cruz, California start the subject line with TW - twakeman@cruzers.com I will be sure to read the message http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 From bens Thu Aug 1 14:03:51 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g71I3pC19042 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 14:03:51 -0400 Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 14:03:50 -0400 Message-Id: <200208011803.g71I3or19038@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Isaac Fain To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: aftermarket parts and stock LR's Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org yep - JATE rings for me too ;) in a pinch, i relocated one of the rear tie-down loops to the front right frame horn (same bolt and everything), thinking that i could get a fair dual-rigged pull out of them. Never got to use 'em that way though. As for the rear, i've seen a strap looped around the hitch pin used as well the full shackle set up. to help fight chaffing the strap just wrap and tie some thick leather around the first 6" or so. which brings me to . . . Reequired item number two: another LR to wheel with! -isaac --- Benjamin Smith wrote: > > In message <200208011727.g71HR5s18663@minbar.fourfold.org>you wrote: > > > industry, and it's all over from there. having said that, i think a front > di > > guard and strong aftermarket front and rear recovery points are > necessities. > > Recovery points are essential. With the Disco, I went with the [ 8 additional quoted lines pruned. ] __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From bens Thu Aug 1 14:13:42 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g71IDgV19184 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 14:13:42 -0400 Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 14:13:42 -0400 Message-Id: <200208011813.g71IDgL19180@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Casey McMullen To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Oh no, a diff question! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org For what it's worth, I put a Detroit Locker in the rear of my SIII 88" several months ago and am quite happy with it. It's definitely noticeable when it decides to unlock on you during a turn, but once you're aware of it, your driving doesn't have to suffer. It's just a pop and the truck does a little jerk to one side. Even my girlfriend who is getting used to driving my series doesn't seem overly affected or worried by it. I figure, the handling of a series truck is honestly pretty lousy to begin with, a Detroit doesn't make much difference. The only reason I put it in was because I was going to hardened 24-spline axles from GBR anyway. After breaking three rear axles last summer (two on one trip!) I got tired of trailside changes and wanted to upgrade. Bill sells hardened axles with 12-splines on the inside to fit into the stock diff, but for extra strength I wanted 24. Since that means replacing the diff anyway, it was only a little more $ to go with a Detroit. The difference offroad is startling. It really is almost like cheating. -Casey Clifford - red '72 S3 88" From bens Thu Aug 1 14:27:49 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g71IRnK19299 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 14:27:49 -0400 Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 14:27:49 -0400 Message-Id: <200208011827.g71IRnd19295@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Stirling Anderson To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE:Oh no a diff questions Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- "Kerner, Rob" intreagingly wrote: > Regents rear locker is hella cool. No air. You get > out turn a bolt with a > wrench to engage it and the rear gets locked > together... Very few parts to > fail. That being said I have only locked it 4 > times. Part of the rear > locker upgrade was 24 splined hardened axels, which > are much beefier than > stock rear axels on a series. What kind is this?? I'd much rather get out and turn a bolt than worry about airlines and pumps, and so forth. Do you think there's a way to hook it up to a lever? Perhaps where the emergency brake would go if it is a RHD? Either way, I'm interested. Thanks, Stirling. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From bens Thu Aug 1 14:57:40 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g71Ivee19508 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 14:57:40 -0400 Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 14:57:40 -0400 Message-Id: <200208011857.g71IveK19504@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Shannon Holland To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Oh no, a diff question! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Yep, just spoke with John Lee, he recommended the TT (he does carry both) - the reason being cost. He did have some more input on handling differences. Basically what he noticed is that it increases the truck's desire to track straight. So if you are going around a corner and let go of the wheel, it will return to going straight more quickly than an open diff. He also felt that it did handle differently on ice/snow but stressed that it wasn't bad, just that it was different. TerriAnn, have you noticed this with the Quaife? (Should be the same from what I understand.) However, he did raise one question that I realized I don't know the answer to, does the 110 have 10 or 24 spline axles on the front? He only carries the 24 spline version of the TT (think GBR might have the 10 spline). If I'm 10, then I'd need to decide whether or not to upgrade to 24 spline (looks like that's rather costly!). Shannon P.S. Thanks everyone for all the input - it has been fantastic! On Thursday, August 1, 2002, at 09:50 AM, Shane Ballensky wrote: > For a US distributor try: > http://www.expeditionexchange.com/quaife/ > > as you can see from the EE site the quaife is more than double the > price of > the truetrac which EE also sells. > For more info you can call John at EE and he will give you more info. > I'm pretty sure he will tell you to get the TT. From bens Thu Aug 1 15:10:13 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g71JAD619608 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 15:10:13 -0400 Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 15:10:12 -0400 Message-Id: <200208011910.g71JACP19604@minbar.fourfold.org> From: john hess To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE:Oh no a diff questions Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org rob has a mcnamara manual locker in the rear of regent. john hess, Davis, California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Dormie web pages at http://dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/startpoint.html From bens Thu Aug 1 15:13:35 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g71JDZB19637 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 15:13:35 -0400 Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 15:13:35 -0400 Message-Id: <200208011913.g71JDZj19633@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kerner, Rob" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Oh no a diff questions Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 28 lines filtered. ] Yes, John is correct. The Mcnamara would not be easily converted to levers, as when you turn the bolt you actually are pushing a longer axel into the center of the diff. You turn it several revolutions. There is a version that does involve cables. Talk with Bill at GBR. -Rob From bens Thu Aug 1 15:42:40 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g71JgeK19804 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 15:42:40 -0400 Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 15:42:40 -0400 Message-Id: <200208011942.g71Jgev19800@minbar.fourfold.org> From: John Young To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Oh no, a diff question! ...and Musclecars! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Charles added: > I have experienced the original Detroit Locker in the rear of a '71 > Mustang 429SCJ (the Super Cobra Jet was produced after Mr. Shelby's > departure from that joint venture): it came stock from the factory with > one, and it was a handfull when doing a simple right turn around a > corner! I thought that in a car like that one is supposed to steer with the accelerator... Friend of mine has a '65 Nova with a supercharger that gets a little funny (sideways funny) if you step on it. There's a dial/guage under the dash labeled "Boost Retard" - I figured the boost retard was the individual behind the wheel... -JY From bens Thu Aug 1 15:55:34 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g71JtYE19928 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 15:55:34 -0400 Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 15:55:34 -0400 Message-Id: <200208011955.g71JtYn19924@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: " mendo rec list" Subject: Re: Oh no, a diff question! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >TerriAnn, have you noticed this with the Quaife? (Should be the same >from what I understand.) I noticed no difference what so ever. But I was manual steering with a steering dampener and the Quaife was already then when I converted to power steeing TeriAnn Wakeman If you send me direct mail, please Santa Cruz, California start the subject line with TW - twakeman@cruzers.com I will be sure to read the message http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 From bens Thu Aug 1 16:12:04 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g71KC4w20101 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 16:12:04 -0400 Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 16:12:04 -0400 Message-Id: <200208012012.g71KC4k20097@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Shannon Holland To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Oh no, a diff question! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org The saga continues... Just had a long conversation with Bill at GBR - very helpful. The answer to my question is that the 110 has 10 spline axles in the front (Rover went to 24 spline mid 93, most NAS 110's we're built in 92). Bill's main concern with them (with regards to a locker) was axle and CV strength. I could switch to a stronger axle, but then I'd probably just have the CV fail... His recommendation would be to upgrade to 24 spline axles. For the 110, he uses the CV from a 83-88 110 - the CV itself is stronger plus the reduction in axle diameter at the CV end is smaller. I almost certainly have the numbers wrong, but the rough numbers are the standard 10 spline axle is reduced to around 0.8" (from 1.25") at the CV end whereas the 83-88 CV requires a reduction to around 1.1", resulting in a much stronger CV and axle. This would now be considerably more money than I wanted to spend (but about what I thought it might cost)... Damn Rovers! Shannon From bens Thu Aug 1 17:52:55 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g71Lqt320594 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 17:52:55 -0400 Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 17:52:55 -0400 Message-Id: <200208012152.g71LqtE20590@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Oh no, a diff question! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "....This would now be considerably more money than I wanted to spend ...." In this case, it's a pay-me-now-or-pay-me-later deal. The biggest reason folks wait so long to put traction assistance in a LR pumpkin is that the common thought is that it darned near REQUIRES an axle upgrade. That said, my buddy Chuque Henry (Q to you D-90 listers) is one of the ROUGHEST people I know on equipment. He wheels HARD. And he ran stock LR axles front and rear with the Detroit/Trutrac combo for years and never broke anything. So, anything's possible. -Dave G. From bens Thu Aug 1 17:57:04 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g71Lv4120630 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 17:57:04 -0400 Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 17:57:04 -0400 Message-Id: <200208012157.g71Lv4w20626@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: quaife lineage Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "....quaife's development of their traction differential was performed behind 700-1000hp Porsches throughout the 1970's....." Isaac and others... Are both the Quaife and Tru-trac based on the Gleason patents for high-helix worm gear mesh? I thought they were, but I'm not certain. And it would be interesting to know if they diverged, or if the quaife has just been better funded to a higher degree of refinement due to their chosen market. Just curious. -Dave G. From bens Thu Aug 1 18:17:47 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g71MHlH20741 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 18:17:47 -0400 Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 18:17:46 -0400 Message-Id: <200208012217.g71MHkm20737@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Shannon Holland To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Oh no, a diff question! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I've thought about just keeping the axles stock (John Lee also has stock axles on his D90 with TT in front and Detroit locker in rear). My biggest concern with this is that I have the 10-spline axles. This would mean that I would get to buy a 10-spline diff now, and then if I ever decide to upgrade, get to buy all new bits then (this is under the assumption that the current CV joint probably isn't really strong enough now as it is, so I wouldn't just be able to put stronger 10 spline axles in later anyway). I think if I had a 90 with the 24 spline axle, I'd probably just stick with them for a while as the upgrade path doesn't involve replacing parts you just replaced... I'd also wonder about the extra weight in the 110 causing greater chance of breakage... Or please tell me, is there a hole in my thinking! Shannon On Thursday, August 1, 2002, at 02:52 PM, Gomes, David wrote: > In this case, it's a pay-me-now-or-pay-me-later deal. The biggest > reason > folks wait so long to put traction assistance in a LR pumpkin is that > the > common thought is that it darned near REQUIRES an axle upgrade. That > said, > my buddy Chuque Henry (Q to you D-90 listers) is one of the ROUGHEST > people > I know on equipment. He wheels HARD. And he ran stock LR axles front [ 4 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Thu Aug 1 18:39:06 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g71Md6P20841 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 18:39:06 -0400 Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 18:39:06 -0400 Message-Id: <200208012239.g71Md6t20837@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Oh no, a diff question! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "....if I ever decide to upgrade, get to buy all new bits then...." You pays your money and you takes your chance. A little less now, but a chance for a lot more later if you DO discover the need. Sometimes discretion is the better part of valor, and you save your pennies till you can "do it right". Maybe the peace of mind is worth the wait. The last thing you need when wheeling a big heavy 110 is if the components are up to the strain. If you'll potentially have family or passengers along, such that the consequences of your actions effect more than yourself, this is also a big factor for me anyway..... -Dave G. From bens Thu Aug 1 19:20:04 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g71NK4q21057 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 19:20:04 -0400 Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 19:20:04 -0400 Message-Id: <200208012320.g71NK4t21053@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Shannon Holland To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Oh no, a diff question! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Yes, that would be the crux of the matter. The other number I don't know yet is how much it will cost to fix what I have now (probably a lot less than the upgrade). Fixing what I have now and then doing the rest when I can well afford to do it all properly might well be the best thing. Shannon On Thursday, August 1, 2002, at 03:39 PM, Gomes, David wrote: > You pays your money and you takes your chance. A little less now, but a > chance for a lot more later if you DO discover the need. Sometimes > discretion is the better part of valor, and you save your pennies till > you > can "do it right". Maybe the peace of mind is worth the wait. The last > thing you need when wheeling a big heavy 110 is if the components are > up to > the strain. If you'll potentially have family or passengers along, such > that the consequences of your actions effect more than yourself, this is [ 1 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Thu Aug 1 20:18:36 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g720Ian21374 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 20:18:36 -0400 Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 20:18:36 -0400 Message-Id: <200208020018.g720Ia721370@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Granny To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: quaife lineage Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Dave G. said: > Are both the Quaife and Tru-trac based on the Gleason patents for high-helix > worm gear mesh? I thought so, too. Torsen diffs started appearing as factory equipment some years ago, in a number of European autos. > interesting to know if they diverged, or if the quaife has just been better > funded to a higher degree of refinement due to their chosen market. I have both a Tru-Trac and a Quaife at home, both still uninstalled. Both are hard to see into, for studying the workings. It appears to me, however, that the Quaife has six pinions, where I understand that the Tru-Trac has just four. There must be some explanation for the Quaife's costing more than double the price of the Tru-Trac! One neat product from Quaife is a torque-sensing center diff for the LT 230 xfer box. I understand that the diff is still lockable, too. I love the viscous coupling in the BW xfer box of my RR but understand that it's not all that robust, that the LT 230 is much stronger. With a Quaife in an LT 230, seems that you'd have the best of both worlds, albeit at a price. Clarke Williams was going to put Quaifes in front, rear, and center of his "Yeti" hybrid. I have not heard how that worked out. From bens Thu Aug 1 22:27:26 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g722RQZ22070 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 22:27:26 -0400 Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 22:27:26 -0400 Message-Id: <200208020227.g722RQ822066@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Shannon Holland To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: OK, a couple more questions Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I'm curious to know what sorta mileage people have been seeing for goodies such as CV joints? Turns out the carrier in my diff is more or less completely shot (sounds like it's a good thing I had it checked out - hate to lose a front diff on a Highway 17 commute!). Not sure how much it would be to replace the current carrier (also don't know how feasible that is) or how much for a new Rover diff. On the flip side, if I go replace everything, then I get new axles, CV's, etc. Given I currently have about 130,000 miles on the 110 and hope to do significantly more in the way of trips and off-roading in the next year I'm wondering if it might just be better to do it all and chalk it up to fixing a problem, preventative maintenance and improved behaviours. Or maybe I'm just trying to talk myself into a new toy... If I can expect to get significant mileage out of what's in there now then I'd probably keep things as they are. However, if there's a reasonable chance that in the next 20-40K miles (so the next year and a bit) that I'd be needing to fix other things, I'd rather take care of it all now. Anyway, any thoughts/opinions/experiences would be greatly appreciated! Shannon From bens Thu Aug 1 22:54:08 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g722s8f22211 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 22:54:08 -0400 Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 22:54:08 -0400 Message-Id: <200208020254.g722s8I22207@minbar.fourfold.org> From: craig reece To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: OK, a couple more questions Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Shannon, I'll take a shot. If you go to an ARB in the front, you'll need to replace your 2-pin carrier anyway to a 4-pin. I think this is the case - it is for the D90, anyway. Not sure about the TrueTrac - and it sounds like the Quaife has a 6-pin, so you'd be replacing it anyway with the Quaife. If I were you, I'd upgrade everything now - it will be cheaper in the long run than doing part of it now and part later, labor-wise, and I wouldn't put any of it off if it's your daily driver. By everything I mean the carrier and adding a locker or limited slip, and I'd upgrade to 24 spline if you go with a true locker like the ARB - with the TrueTrac or Quaife you'd be ok with 10 spline if you're not running tires larger than 33". If you have tires larger than 33" and get an ARB, and plan to do more rock-crawling *and* want to never think about your front axles again, you might want to consider some of GBR's upgraded 24 spline front axles and CV's - read about them on the GBR website, if you haven't, and talk to Bill about them too. Craig Shannon Holland wrote: > I'm curious to know what sorta mileage people have been seeing for > goodies such as CV joints? > > Turns out the carrier in my diff is more or less completely shot (sounds > like it's a good thing I had it checked out - hate to lose a front diff > on a Highway 17 commute!). Not sure how much it would be to replace the > current carrier (also don't know how feasible that is) or how much for a > new Rover diff. > [ 16 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Thu Aug 1 22:59:16 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g722xGG22297 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 22:59:16 -0400 Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 22:59:15 -0400 Message-Id: <200208020259.g722xF422293@minbar.fourfold.org> From: john hess To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: OT: SF apt near UCSF Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hiya, My across the street neighbor needs an apt near UCSF (walking distance) for the upcoming school year (she'll be in pharmacy school). She had a place signed and sealed but the landlord pulled it back and gave her some excuse about family moving to SF or something. If you can help, let me know, thanks. John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Land Rover Dormobile web pages: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby" 1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" 1999 Bianchi Milano, 2001 Bianchi Pista, 2000 Merlin Extra Fat 2002 Meridian Attache Softride Tandem From bens Thu Aug 1 23:18:55 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g723Itd22427 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 23:18:55 -0400 Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 23:18:55 -0400 Message-Id: <200208020318.g723ItA22423@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: what gasket/sealant to use on WP?? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org So, my cooling system adventures continue... Got the radiator installed only to realize that I left the oil cooler line couplers on the old radiator. Thankfully Jon Turner was interested in buying that one as I was planning to just leave it considering the run around the shop where we droped it off gave me - and seeing as how I already had a new one. This afternoon I went over to the radiator shop, paid for Jon's "new" radiator and asked them to take off my old couplers, which they did. Went back to our shop, installed them and that issue was taken care of! Whew, didn't have to order yet more parts from RN or BP... Now even though we are so close to being finished and this is the 2nd time in 3 weeks that I've taken apart and reinstalled the front of the 110's engine, I found that the water pump is *STILL* leaking. This time I know I didn't bugger the gasket and I installed it with plenty of the permatex hylormar solution as suggested, on both sides as well. I torqured the pump to the correct newton meters as listed in the manual. But still, as soon as I filled the system it began to drip from the lowest point on the pump. I am thinking I need to use something other than permatex hylomar to seal the water pump. This stuff is listed as being "..an exceptional high tack gel sealant that is non-hardening, allowing for easy disassembly of flanged components even after long-term operation..." whereas when I took of the original pump, it had been secured with hardening sealant. Is it totally incorrect for me to assume after two times with two different brand new gaskets using the same permatex hylormar that if it's still leaking it must need something other than permatex hylormar to make the correct, non-leaking seal? Thanks to all for your suggestions and help!! jpipes From bens Thu Aug 1 23:31:49 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g723Vnh22495 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 23:31:49 -0400 Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 23:31:49 -0400 Message-Id: <200208020331.g723VnE22491@minbar.fourfold.org> From: craig reece To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: what gasket/sealant to use on WP?? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Jason, Is the waterpump new? If not, it could be the waterpump shaft/bearing-to-waterpump that's leaking due to wear. If it's a new pump, I'd try Permatex's "The Right Stuff." Craig Jason Pipes wrote: > So, my cooling system adventures continue... Got the radiator installed only > to realize that I left the oil cooler line couplers on the old radiator. > Thankfully Jon Turner was interested in buying that one as I was planning to > just leave it considering the run around the shop where we droped it off gave > me - and seeing as how I already had a new one. This afternoon I went over > to the radiator shop, paid for Jon's "new" radiator and asked them to take > off my old couplers, which they did. Went back to our shop, installed them > and that issue was taken care of! Whew, didn't have to order yet more parts > from RN or BP... [ 24 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Fri Aug 2 00:07:30 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7247Ux22856 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 00:07:30 -0400 Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 00:07:30 -0400 Message-Id: <200208020407.g7247UW22852@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: what gasket/sealant to use on WP?? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Craig, the water pump is brand new. We got it to replace the original one that failed during the recce for the Nevada desert trip. Both of the gaskets I've used so far were also brand new. And btw, when I say leaking I mean from the lowest point on the water pump when the engine is NOT running (and in fact, before I even started the engine at all after installing it) not from the bleed hole. I know it's not bad seals or bearings on the water pump. jpipes From bens Fri Aug 2 00:18:40 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g724IeW23963 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 00:18:40 -0400 Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 00:18:39 -0400 Message-Id: <200208020418.g724IdM23959@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Clarke Williams To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: quaife lineage Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Granny et al, I went with Detroit Soft-locker in rear and Tru-trac in front and am quite pleased with the result. The Quaife, Tru-Trac, and Torsen-Gleason are all similar but not based on exactly the same designs. The Quaife appears to give the best torque bias ratio, at least on paper. The Torsen is a good unit -- used in the HMMWV. The Tru-Trac seems to me to be the best overall value in terms of performance-cost-driveability IMO clarke At 08:18 PM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote: > > >Dave G. said: > >> Are both the Quaife and Tru-trac based on the Gleason patents for high-helix >> worm gear mesh? > >I thought so, too. Torsen diffs started appearing as factory equipment some >years ago, in a number of European autos. [ 5 additional quoted lines pruned. ] are >hard to see into, for studying the workings. It appears to me, however, that >the Quaife has six pinions, where I understand that the Tru-Trac has just >four. There must be some explanation for the Quaife's costing more than >double >the price of the Tru-Trac! > >One neat product from Quaife is a torque-sensing center diff for the LT 230 >xfer box. I understand that the diff is still lockable, too. I love the >viscous coupling in the BW xfer box of my RR but understand that it's not all [ 6 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Fri Aug 2 00:25:29 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g724PTY24014 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 00:25:29 -0400 Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 00:25:28 -0400 Message-Id: <200208020425.g724PSP24010@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: high mileage/low cost NAS 110 on ebay Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Low opening bid, 10k, but *HIGH* mileage - 170,000 miles!!! http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1848292838 Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 From bens Fri Aug 2 00:36:28 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g724aSu24109 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 00:36:28 -0400 Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 00:36:28 -0400 Message-Id: <200208020436.g724aSx24105@minbar.fourfold.org> From: john hess To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: what gasket/sealant to use on WP?? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Jason, Maybe I shouldn't say this too loudly, but I've never used Hylomar. Folks rave about it, but I've had very good/excellent luck with blue RTV. I really like the way it can be peeled off stuff, easily. I have to go in and do stubby's radiator and heater valve and I'll be using blue RTV on mating surfaces and bolt threads. cheers, John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Land Rover Dormobile web pages: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby" 1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" 1999 Bianchi Milano, 2001 Bianchi Pista, 2000 Merlin Extra Fat 2002 Meridian Attache Softride Tandem From bens Fri Aug 2 02:46:22 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g726kMw24727 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 02:46:22 -0400 Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 02:46:22 -0400 Message-Id: <200208020646.g726kMN24723@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: what gasket/sealant to use on WP?? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I was about to say nearly the same thing that John just said - except that I have used Hylomar in the past, but with bad results, and always ended up using plain 'ol RTV instead. I've heard that the bad thing about RTV is that any excess that is inside what you're sealing may come loose, and it never really "goes away", and remains in the system to possibly become a problem later on...though in 20 years of playing with cars, I've yet to have that happen. Charles On Fri, 2 Aug 2002 00:36:28 -0400 john hess writes: > > Jason, > > Maybe I shouldn't say this too loudly, but I've never used Hylomar. > Folks rave about it, but I've had very good/excellent luck with blue > > RTV. I really like the way it can be peeled off stuff, easily. I > have to go in and do stubby's radiator and heater valve and I'll be > using blue RTV on mating surfaces and bolt threads. [ 11 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Fri Aug 2 02:46:22 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g726kMj24732 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 02:46:22 -0400 Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 02:46:22 -0400 Message-Id: <200208020646.g726kME24728@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: rovernet@lyris.ccdata.com, CortinaList@topica.com Subject: RIMMER WARNING!!!!!!! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Listers, I was talking to a very good friend of mine in Australia a little while ago (he sells Brit car parts), and he warned me that some of his customers in the Sydney area have had charges of $1000 each applied to their credit cards by Rimmer Bros. - yet they hadn't bought a thing!!!!! Turns out, they're in receivership! They were resorting to "robbing Peter to pay Paul", and charging $1000 per customer on credit cards to stay in business, and later refunded the monies! (this probably explains the "tone" in a email I got from Rimmer about some querries I had in recent months) If ANY of you have had dealings with them recently, please check the accounts of the credit cards that you used, to make sure this didn't happen to you! This is the first I've heard about this (their bankruptcy), so be careful out there. Charles ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Fri Aug 2 09:08:23 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g72D8No26408 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 09:08:23 -0400 Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 09:08:22 -0400 Message-Id: <200208021308.g72D8MX26404@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Peter Hope" To: Subject: Re: high mileage/low cost NAS 110 on ebay Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Thanks for the heads up. Went up to 20 overnight and still hasn't met the reserve. So what do yall think...35k reserve? From bens Fri Aug 2 11:14:23 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g72FENw27136 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 11:14:23 -0400 Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 11:14:23 -0400 Message-Id: <200208021514.g72FEND27132@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: what gasket/sealant to use on WP?? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "....Is it totally incorrect for me to assume after two times with two different brand new gaskets using the same permatex hylormar that if it's still leaking it must need something other than permatex hylormar to make the correct, non-leaking seal?...." Nope, not incorrect. Just remember that "....need something other than permatex hylormar...." can include things like, needing better surface preparation, or needing sealant applied in other places. When I did the water pump on the rangie I used Hylomar, but I was pretty meticulous about checking the surfaces for nicks and gouges, and using a plastic scraper to remove the old gasket. I also used Hylomar on the bolt threads of all the water pump and thermostat housing attaching bolts. If you don't seal the internal ends of some of those bolts, they can let water out to the bolt head which of course has no gasketing. The water pump on the Rangie has about 20k miles on it now with no leaks. (Dang, how did we put so many miles on that thing since just last fall?) I've been using hylomar almost exclusively for the last 10 years or so. Since I found out it would seal gasoline it became my "one sealer does all" and has worked pretty well. I did have to resort to "the right stuff" on the oil pan of the motor Charles has now, rather than try and flaten out the pan flange enough to seal on the cork gasket. And I have used the blue RTV when I have to use the stuff as a filler, more so than a sealant. The Right Stuff is a gasket maker though, not a sealant/dressing. Don't use it with the gasket. I'd think it would be tough to use on a water pump with difficult access and vertical surface. But who knows. I've also heard The Right Stuff is very difficult to remove. Maybe there's a remover chemical or something. But like I said, the only thing I've ever sealed with it is still assembled, so I can't speak directly to the ease of removal. -Dave G. From bens Fri Aug 2 11:47:19 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g72FlJq27314 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 11:47:19 -0400 Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 11:47:19 -0400 Message-Id: <200208021547.g72FlJM27310@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Isaac Fain To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: quaife lineage Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I had heard a rumour that the range rover III was to use torsen diffs - is this not the case anymore? as for the design differences, this info is way beyond my league. all that I know about quaife was learned with a torrid love affair with a red-headed 930, who left me because I couldn't afford to keep up with her spending habits. she had raved about this "quaife" rear differential as if it were the Hope diamond. I ignored her pleas and eventually, she found another suitor :( cheers, isaac --- Clarke Williams wrote: > > Granny et al, > > I went with Detroit Soft-locker in rear and Tru-trac in front and am quite > pleased with the result. > > The Quaife, Tru-Trac, and Torsen-Gleason are all similar but not based on > exactly the same designs. The Quaife appears to give the best torque bias > ratio, at least on paper. The Torsen is a good unit -- used in the HMMWV. [ 32 additional quoted lines pruned. ] __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From bens Fri Aug 2 12:19:30 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g72GJU827465 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 12:19:30 -0400 Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 12:19:25 -0400 Message-Id: <200208021619.g72GJPr27461@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: " mendo rec list" Subject: Re: RIMMER WARNING!!!!!!! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Turns out, they're in receivership! >This is the first I've heard about this (their bankruptcy), so be careful >out there. Just as an FYI there seem to be a number of UK based discount car parts houses, including Land Rover parts houses that are on the edge of financial collapse. They rely upon DYI parts sales for a dwindling number of out of production vehicles. The growth industry is parts sales business to independent workshops who service newish vehicles. The market for older car parts is shrinking and the companies that sell parts for them are in tight competition with each other and have largely shrunk their margins below a sustainable level (we loose 4 pence per sale but we are making it up in volume). Then of course with the new global retail mentality of customers, the almost no margin UK parts sales are severely hurting the US based companies that need to ship parts over and restock them prior to offering them for sale and are desperately trying to have a sustainable margin. There are a number of UK parts companies desperately looking for backers to bail them out. Some will find backers some will collapse. The available backers are most likely to reorganize the companies they save to be primarily distribution centres for trade sales with DYI parts retail sales taking a back seat. When the backer comes in, a lot of the parts for sale become those offered by the backer. At this point each of us is voting on who we want to stay or go, world wide, by where we spend each parts dollar. Choose wisely TeriAnn Wakeman If you send me direct mail, please Santa Cruz, California start the subject line with TW - twakeman@cruzers.com I will be sure to read the message http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 From bens Fri Aug 2 12:33:41 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g72GXfo27581 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 12:33:41 -0400 Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 12:33:41 -0400 Message-Id: <200208021633.g72GXfi27577@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: The Tdi hunt continues... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Listers, My girlfriend had just about given up on seeing that Defender 130 Tdi again - until yesterday... She spotted it heading south on Mooney Bl. in downtown Visalia (where we first saw it last month - and where she usually spots it), and once again tried to catch up to it, only to get caught doing an illegal U-turn! (her first traffic ticket ever) So, now it's all my fault... :) Stay tuned... Charles ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Fri Aug 2 12:35:13 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g72GZDi27604 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 12:35:13 -0400 Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 12:35:12 -0400 Message-Id: <200208021635.g72GZCu27600@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Shannon Holland To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: high mileage/low cost NAS 110 on ebay Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org It will be interesting to see where this one goes. Most of the 110's I've seen on ebay start out at an exceedingly high opening bid. I haven't tracked cars as much, but on other items the ones that start out highly priced (or close to current closing prices for that item) quite often go nowhere. The auctions that start off low tend to attract a lot of initial attention and get bid way up (quite often going higher than the average closing price). I'd love to see a more formal study of closing versus opening prices. Shannon On Friday, August 2, 2002, at 06:08 AM, Peter Hope wrote: > Thanks for the heads up. Went up to 20 overnight and still hasn't met > the > reserve. > So what do yall think...35k reserve? From bens Fri Aug 2 12:36:37 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g72Gabl27629 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 12:36:37 -0400 Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 12:36:32 -0400 Message-Id: <200208021636.g72GaWJ27625@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: " mendo rec list" Subject: RE: quaife lineage Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >as for the design differences, this info is way beyond my league. all that I >know about quaife was learned with a torrid love affair with a red-headed >930, who left me because I couldn't afford to keep up with her >spending habits. she had raved about this "quaife" rear differential >as if it were the Hope diamond. I know the problem. My TR3 keeps hinting she would like a Quaife for Christmas. She says it will pay for itself in reduced replacment costs for right rear tyres and that I would spend less time sitting there waiting for the rear tyres to come to grip with the tarmac. I think she is just sooo jealous of the Land Rover's Quaife she spins those tyres on purpose. TeriAnn Wakeman If you send me direct mail, please Santa Cruz, California start the subject line with TW - twakeman@cruzers.com I will be sure to read the message http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 From bens Fri Aug 2 12:51:11 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g72GpBd27812 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 12:51:11 -0400 Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 12:51:11 -0400 Message-Id: <200208021651.g72GpBl27802@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: high mileage/low cost NAS 110 on ebay Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Depending on how much 'ya wanna spend, I can always head over to McKenna Motors and see if their $60K 110 is still there...:) Seriously, I don't dig the idea of forking over that much cash on anything unless I can see it in person - even then, a 110 ain't worth it to me. Their original selling price in the 20's is a little more down to earth. But then again, a 429SCJ still goes for close to 40K...(looked in Hemmings last night) Charles On Fri, 2 Aug 2002 12:35:12 -0400 Shannon Holland writes: > > It will be interesting to see where this one goes. Most of the 110's > > I've seen on ebay start out at an exceedingly high opening bid. I > haven't tracked cars as much, but on other items the ones that start > out > highly priced (or close to current closing prices for that item) > quite > often go nowhere. The auctions that start off low tend to attract a [ 16 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Fri Aug 2 12:51:11 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g72GpB327813 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 12:51:11 -0400 Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 12:51:11 -0400 Message-Id: <200208021651.g72GpBS27805@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: quaife lineage Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Ahhhhhhhh - the joy of a 87.5mm bore kit, header, and a slightly non-stock camshaft...(that is, IF you modified the TR a bit)... :) Charles - looking at the TR3, but other projects are still ahead of it... On Fri, 2 Aug 2002 12:36:32 -0400 TeriAnn Wakeman writes: > > > I know the problem. My TR3 keeps hinting she would like a Quaife > for > Christmas. She says it will pay for itself in reduced replacment > costs > for right rear tyres and that I would spend less time sitting there > waiting for the rear tyres to come to grip with the tarmac. > > I think she is just sooo jealous of the Land Rover's Quaife she [ 2 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Fri Aug 2 12:51:24 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g72GpOA27834 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 12:51:24 -0400 Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 12:51:24 -0400 Message-Id: <200208021651.g72GpOS27830@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: high mileage/low cost NAS 110 on ebay Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org As everyone can imagine, I'm a super fan of 110's and admire their market stability, etc, and not just because I own one either (although that helps). But having said that I must say how totally besides myself I am that a truck with almost 200,000 miles (!!!) is fetching *OVER* 20k, maybe close to 25-30k! That just amazes me, regardless of the vehicle. And it's an east coast truck too! Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 From bens Fri Aug 2 12:56:40 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g72Gueo27870 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 12:56:40 -0400 Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 12:56:40 -0400 Message-Id: <200208021656.g72Gue527866@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: high mileage/low cost NAS 110 on ebay Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Charles, the original selling price of the NAS 110's was 39,500, not in the 20s. Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 From bens Fri Aug 2 13:08:40 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g72H8es27940 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 13:08:40 -0400 Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 13:08:40 -0400 Message-Id: <200208021708.g72H8eT27936@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Russ Wilson To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: high mileage/low cost NAS 110 on ebay Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Charles, the original selling price of the NAS 110's was 39,500, not in the >20s. I think he was referring to the ones sold everywhere other than the USA that didn't come with the $20,000 roll cage added. What did a nice 1994 110 SW go for in the UK?? RW -- "Your friend is the one you call to bail you out of jail. Your best friend is the one sitting next to you saying,'Dude, that was awesome!" From bens Fri Aug 2 13:20:39 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g72HKdG28027 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 13:20:39 -0400 Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 13:20:38 -0400 Message-Id: <200208021720.g72HKcR28020@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org, CortinaList@topica.com Subject: Forwarded message from Rimmer... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Listers, It seem that either they're monitoring the list, or somebody forwarded my post to them: At any rate, rather than to defend themselves and the claims made by their customers in Australia, they threaten me, in an attempt to "silence the naive". Due to the last sentence in their email to me, I couldn't help but to reply to them and basically tell this person where to go, as I simply relayed information in the attempt to look after my friends. Due to the last sentence of their email, they're no longer on my good side. I also advised him that since I am poor, their lawyers would be wasting their time & money anyway. --------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Richard Sharp To: cirvin1258@juno.com Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 17:35:14 +0100 Subject: Libelous Statement Message-ID: <4.1.20020802173249.00a00100@10.0.0.3> Sir, Either retract your statements or face the consequences. In any event you will be hearing from our lawyers on Monday. Richard Sharp Sales & Marketing Manager Rimmer Bros. Ltd ******************* DISCLAIMER ********************** Rimmer Bros. Ltd. This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual(s) to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient or their authorised agent, be advised that you have received this e-mail in error and that any use, dissemination, distribution, disclosure, printing, publication or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please notify the sender immediately and delete all trace of the e-mail and attachment files (if applicable) from your system. Any views or opinions presented and expressed by the author of this e-mail, are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Rimmer Bros. Ltd. ********************************************************* ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Fri Aug 2 13:20:39 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g72HKdu28031 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 13:20:39 -0400 Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 13:20:39 -0400 Message-Id: <200208021720.g72HKdN28026@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: high mileage/low cost NAS 110 on ebay Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org ...Ooops... Sorry... On Fri, 2 Aug 2002 12:56:40 -0400 Jason Pipes writes: > > Charles, the original selling price of the NAS 110's was 39,500, not > in the > 20s. > > Jason Pipes > jpipes@feldgrau.com > www.feldgrau.com > [ 2 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Fri Aug 2 13:27:04 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g72HR4u28078 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 13:27:04 -0400 Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 13:27:04 -0400 Message-Id: <200208021727.g72HR4t28074@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Peter Hope" To: Subject: Re: Forwarded message from Rimmer... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I musta missed it, what did you say about them Charles? Oh even better, who the heck are Rimmer? Pete From bens Fri Aug 2 13:28:14 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g72HSEi28094 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 13:28:14 -0400 Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 13:28:14 -0400 Message-Id: <200208021728.g72HSEp28090@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Isaac Fain To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: quaife lineage Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org uh-huh! and has she been giving you the "wet street/on-throttle" story? LOL isaac --- TeriAnn Wakeman wrote: > > >as for the design differences, this info is way beyond my league. all that > I > >know about quaife was learned with a torrid love affair with a red-headed > >930, who left me because I couldn't afford to keep up with her > >spending habits. she had raved about this "quaife" rear differential > >as if it were the Hope diamond. > > I know the problem. My TR3 keeps hinting she would like a Quaife for [ 16 additional quoted lines pruned. ] __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From bens Fri Aug 2 13:54:09 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g72Hs9b28205 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 13:54:09 -0400 Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 13:54:09 -0400 Message-Id: <200208021754.g72Hs9A28200@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Casey McMullen To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: high mileage/low cost NAS 110 on ebay Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 25 lines filtered. ] We were talking about the high-priced-110's-on-ebay-that-never-sell phenomenon on the Nevada desert run. John Turner posited that a lot of these sellers are probably just trying to drum up interest, using ebay as a showcase to reach customers. Once they find some interested parties, they can close the deal offline at their own pace. -Casey From bens Fri Aug 2 13:56:58 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g72Huw928234 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 13:56:58 -0400 Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 13:56:58 -0400 Message-Id: <200208021756.g72Huwl28230@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Shane Ballensky To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: OK, a couple more questions Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Shannon, Another option you could consider is to just upgrade the axle shafts with either GBR or Ashcrofts($500pr from ECR) and retain your stock CV joints. So you would buy: truetrac $400 axles $500. This wouldn't make your front end as strong as the GBR Extreme kit with the 23 spline CV joints but would get you to the 24 spline diff and allow you to have a set of spare axles in the event you ever upgraded to the "extreme kit" Shane From bens Fri Aug 2 14:04:49 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g72I4nR28298 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 14:04:49 -0400 Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 14:04:48 -0400 Message-Id: <200208021804.g72I4mg28288@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Fw: [rovernet] RE: Forwarded message from Rimmer... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Enjoy. --------- Forwarded message ---------- From: "andylit@directvinternet.com" To: "RoverNet Mailing List" Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 13:29:04 -0400 Subject: [rovernet] RE: Forwarded message from Rimmer... Message-ID: Bahhhh! You were simply passing along information clearly stating that this is what you were being told, not a definitive. I sure their lawyers will inform them to stop being silly (previous statement assumes you reside in the US or Canada). I can produce 6 guys within 48 hours who will swear on a stack of bibles that Rimmer Brothers screwed them royally on parts orders and refused to make good. There. Take that to the bank and sue me for it. As earlier stated, there is a cottage industry in the US producuing "Reamer Brothers" and "Ream Your Brother" posters for victims. Andy Litkowiak ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Fri Aug 2 14:04:49 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g72I4nR28297 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 14:04:49 -0400 Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 14:04:48 -0400 Message-Id: <200208021804.g72I4mI28290@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Forwarded message from Rimmer... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Rimmer Brothers is a company in England that sells OEM/aftermarket parts for Brit cars - including Range Rover. I talked with a friend of mine in Australia yesterday: apparently, Rimmer was charging $1000 onto the credit card numbers of their customers - though those customers hadn't ordered anything! After several phonecalls and threats, the monies were refunded. Also heard that they're going belly up. Their sales manager sent me a private email threatening to take legal action for passing this info on, yet I have several emails from people on the Rover car list that back up the rumors of their dirty dealings. Also, the Chicago area Triumph club had many a bad dealing with them. I'll forward an email from the Rover list for all to read. Charles On Fri, 2 Aug 2002 13:27:04 -0400 "Peter Hope" writes: > > I musta missed it, what did you say about them Charles? > Oh even better, who the heck are Rimmer? > Pete ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Fri Aug 2 14:30:50 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g72IUos28449 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 14:30:50 -0400 Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 14:30:50 -0400 Message-Id: <200208021830.g72IUol28445@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Shannon Holland To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: OK, a couple more questions Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Shane, I think I'm cornfused. Can I use 24 spline diff/axles with my current CV's? Won't they be set up for a 10 spline axle, or is there an axle which has the 24 spline input to the diff and a 10 spline output to the CV? I do like the idea though. Would enable me to get the diff I want, stronger axles and then deal with CV's if/when I ever have to. Bill had mentioned something like this, but I thought he was talking about upgrading to a stronger 10 spline axle. He wasn't crazy about the idea as he said a failure in the CV would tend to take your axle with it, leaving you with lots ot be replaced. Thanks! Shannon On Friday, August 2, 2002, at 10:56 AM, Shane Ballensky wrote: > Another option you could consider is to just upgrade the axle shafts > with > either GBR or Ashcrofts($500pr from ECR) > and retain your stock CV joints. > So you would buy: > truetrac $400 > axles $500. > This wouldn't make your front end as strong as the GBR Extreme kit with > the [ 5 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Fri Aug 2 15:16:17 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g72JGHN28660 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 15:16:17 -0400 Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 15:16:17 -0400 Message-Id: <200208021916.g72JGHZ28656@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jeff Rogers To: Mendo Recce List Subject: Sunday @ The King's Head Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hello All: I just thought I'd mention that a few of us are planning to be at the King's Head in Campbell this Sunday at about 5pm. There's a visitor from England that is interested in meeting folks and seeing trucks so I thought we'd just have a beer or two. Come on down... http://www.thekingshead.com/ 408.871.2499  201 Orchard City Drive Campbell, CA 95008 California, USA -->Jeff From bens Fri Aug 2 16:18:22 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g72KIMf28951 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 16:18:22 -0400 Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 16:18:22 -0400 Message-Id: <200208022018.g72KIMq28947@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: Prelim results from SP3D GPS Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I got the Garmin Street Pilot 3 Deluxe by FedX yesterday, just as promised by GPSNOW.com (aka 4x4books.com). Had minimal time to set it up last night. Funny thing. As much fun as a new toy is, it's still more fun to play with the boy and HIS toys. I did get the map detail software loaded on the PC and downloaded detailed info for the whole area between Wyoming and New Mexico from the front range to eastern Nevada, as well as a bunch of upstate New York. The 128meg data card sucked it up with no trouble. I've got every road, dirt road, restaurant, gas station, camp ground, and what have you in 4 states loaded in there, and it still scrolls and updates at least twice as fast as my buddy's GPS3+. I installed the remote antenna on the roof of the G last night, just in case, but the unit alone was giving me satellite locks from inside my living room last night, and continued to give flawless performance in spite of practically zero line of site sky visibility in many places on my commute. Might not need that external antenna after all. These things have come a LONG way with sensitivity since the 12XL. This morning from my driveway I chose Lakewood, CO and had it plot the shortest route. I was tickled that, as I sat in my driveway, it was telling me to drive 100ft north to Twilight Terrace (my little dirt-road street). As I proceeded out Park County 43 toward US285, it was correctly identifying each little dirt road and two-track that I passed. At one point, it's chosen route was telling me to turn off of PC43 and head north. Now, this isn't the way I usually take to work, but I had heard that some of the dirt roads back there might connect into an alternate route to a neighboring town. I'd always wanted to explore it, but not digging the thought of getting turned in circles back there, I never had. I badly wanted to try it this morning and see if the SP3 would lead me through, but I did the "responsible" thing and continued on my way to work. (If I had chosen "fastest" rather than "shortest" when it auto-routed, I would have gotten my normal route). As I veered from it's chosen path it quickly re-calculated and in a few seconds it had a new route, taking me down 43 to 285. So, in my limited dealing thus far, it works a treat. Some other neat things are that if you are on a screen other than the map navigation screen (I like the running trip data screen), and you approach a place in the route where you need to turn, it automatically switches to your preferred navigation view (you can choose from 3) about a minute before you need to turn (yes, it's speed compensating), and stays there until it verifies you're still on the route, or it's plotted a new one based on your divergence, whereupon it switches back to the view you had set. Garmin seems to have gotten at least the intuitive use parts right. In the coming days I'll play with the route planning more. Two big things I want to check into are 1- creating routes between two points that are not either your current or home location, and 2- creating routes that are a mixture of on and off-road driving. One other bit I'd like to do is a comparison between route planning on the GPS proper vs. in the mapping software on the PC. So, time will tell, but initial impressions are very good. -Dave G. From bens Fri Aug 2 16:28:40 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g72KSeH29003 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 16:28:40 -0400 Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 16:28:39 -0400 Message-Id: <200208022028.g72KSdw28999@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Shane Ballensky To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: OK, a couple more questions(long) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org OK I'll try to set some of the facts straight. There are two basic different LR CV's the 23 spline(with I think two variations RR and 110) and 32 spline(at least 3 variation) The 23 spline CV originally only came with 10 spline diff end axles. The 32 spline CV came with both 10 spline and 24 spline diff end axles. the CV end of a 23 spline CV axle has a larger diameter(approx 1.20) vs the 32 spline CV axle(approx 1.0) All above axles are ~1.25 dia at the diff end regardless of spline count. All NAS D90's and disco I's have 24spline diff and 32 spline CV's. So you can get 24/32 spline front axles and use your stock CV's this of coarse would also require a 24 spline diff like the truetrac or ARB. The strongest option is using the 23 spline CV's and custom axles with 23/24 spline. Bill at GBR is also now making custom CV joints from stronger material to be used in place of the factory 23 spline CV's. these along with the custom inner axles are the strongest currently available option. So back to my recommendation you could get alloy axles with 24/32 spline and then the diff of choice. This would cost approx $1000 and be better than your stock setup. The reason I recommend this is mostly based on price. BUT Bill is correct in saying the CV joints are the limitation in strength and when they break they do almost always take the axle with them. So that brings you back to option 8004 The best current setup of the new GBR CV joints and alloy axles with a price tag of $2000 for new axles, CV's and truetrac diff. The only down side to this is the price. I'm currently saving my pennies(they don't add up very fast) for these CV's myself. One last option I'll throw into the mix is I have a stock low mileage 24 spline diff(~20,000 miles) and a long side stock 24 spline axle I'd sell for a good price. You'd still need a short side axle but this could get you back on the road for alot less money. regards, Shane >I think I'm cornfused. Can I use 24 spline diff/axles with my current >CV's? Won't they be set up for a 10 spline axle, or is there an axle >which has the 24 spline input to the diff and a 10 spline output to the >CV? > >I do like the idea though. Would enable me to get the diff I want, >stronger axles and then deal with CV's if/when I ever have to. > >Bill had mentioned something like this, but I thought he was talking [ 3 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Fri Aug 2 16:51:47 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g72Kplb29122 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 16:51:47 -0400 Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 16:51:47 -0400 Message-Id: <200208022051.g72Kpl929118@minbar.fourfold.org> From: joe mulqueen To: mendo Subject: re. what gasket/sealant to use on WP?? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Jason, The water pump should not leak at the gasket even if installed dry. Sealant mostly just adds a bit of insurance and helps position the gskt during installation. Use a bright light and mirror if needed to locate the leak! Once back apart, make sure the "faying" surfaces are throughly scraped and contamination free. And like others said, check for bolts threading into water passages. That said, I like Permatex's "aircraft" or "high tack" type sealants for water pump gaskets. This lacquer/alcohol based stuff is a dark red syrup that comes in a small can with built in applicator brush. Anything thicker (RTV, RT stuff, Hylamar), isn't needed in a water pump area where you're torquing rigid parts down pretty tight. One area where I do especially like RTV is at the front and rear ends of a V8 intake manifold. Ditch the rubber pieces and lay a thick bead and install the manifold. No leaks. I read that in an old Hot Rod mag when I owned a '60 Vette with a home built 350 (I sold that car after 10 yrs to fund my 109 and Healey 3000 project). And lastly, any surface that I am going to goop, I preclean with either lacquer thinner or acetone. Joe Mulqueen '67 SIIA 109 SW Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 23:18:55 -0400 From: Jason Pipes Subject: what gasket/sealant to use on WP?? So, my cooling system adventures continue... I found that the water pump is *STILL* leaking..........This time I know I didn't bugger the gasket and I installed it with plenty of the permatex hylormar solution as suggested, on both sides as well. I torqured the pump to the correct newton meters............. Thanks to all for your suggestions and help!! jpipes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From bens Fri Aug 2 17:40:46 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g72LekG29403 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 17:40:46 -0400 Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 17:40:46 -0400 Message-Id: <200208022140.g72Lek929399@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Shannon Holland To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: OK, a couple more questions(long) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Shane, Thanks for explaining all that - it's all much more clear to me now! Anyway, after thinking about it this morning I decided to just upgrade the beast. It's what I want to do longer term anyway. I didn't want to spend the money now, but in the grander scope of things it's not a horrible time for me to be doing so (generally these things pop up at the horrible times, so I count myself kinda lucky). With the luck I've been running of late, if I upgraded the diff and kept the current CV's, one of them would probably explode in a about 6-8 months... So, I have all sorts of parts on the way from GBR. Oh, btw, Philippe called around on the price for the carrier for the front 110 diff - $475! (So, if I were to keep the current setup, it would probably be cheaper or at least make more sense to change to a D90 24 spline diff and axles - thanks for your offer btw!) The D90 and disco carriers are about $150. Looks like Land Rover is really bumping the price on less common/older parts (he also found that the price on the automatic tranny for the series I disco has doubled in the last few months). Shannon On Friday, August 2, 2002, at 01:28 PM, Shane Ballensky wrote: > Bill is correct in saying the CV joints are the limitation in strength > and > when they break they do almost always take the axle with them. > So that brings you back to option 8004 > The best current setup of the new GBR CV joints and alloy axles > with a price tag of $2000 for new axles, CV's and truetrac diff. > The only down side to this is the price. > I'm currently saving my pennies(they don't add up very fast) for these > CV's [ 6 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Fri Aug 2 17:46:31 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g72LkVD29435 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 17:46:31 -0400 Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 17:46:31 -0400 Message-Id: <200208022146.g72LkVK29431@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Shannon Holland To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Thanks! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I just wanted to thank everyone for all the input to my endless questions over the last few days - you were all truly helpful! I'd hate to have to go through the decision process I just did without all of you - would be like driving blind! Now, I'll soon get to see how it all works out! Shannon From bens Fri Aug 2 17:59:11 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g72LxBj29493 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 17:59:11 -0400 Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 17:59:11 -0400 Message-Id: <200208022159.g72LxBr29489@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Polla Slade" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Crew Cab heading south (finally!!!) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hey guys, The crewcab is loaded and heading down on the semi-truck tomorrow morning. I probably won't leave Portland until about noon, and was wondering if there is a friendly refuge to stay for the night, say about 8-10 hours out of Portland???? If not, no biggie. Motel 6 isn't a bad choice I suppose. Here's crossing my fingers that the truck arrives in Paso Robles safely! If you're on the I-5 corridor this weekend look for a low-boy trailer with the crewcab perched on the tail end heading south. The end is in sight! Later, Michael _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From bens Fri Aug 2 19:23:32 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g72NNWG29898 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 19:23:32 -0400 Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 19:23:32 -0400 Message-Id: <200208022323.g72NNW829894@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Shane Ballensky To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Crew Cab heading south (finally!!!) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hey Mike, I've got a hide-a-bed couch you're welcome too. BTW portland is 450 miles from Redding. see ya, Shane At 02:59 PM 8/2/02, you wrote: >Hey guys, > >The crewcab is loaded and heading down on the semi-truck tomorrow morning. >I probably won't leave Portland until about noon, and was wondering if there >is a friendly refuge to stay for the night, say about 8-10 hours out of >Portland???? > >If not, no biggie. Motel 6 isn't a bad choice I suppose. > [ 13 additional quoted lines pruned. ] Shane From bens Fri Aug 2 20:05:37 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7305bp30109 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 20:05:37 -0400 Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 20:05:36 -0400 Message-Id: <200208030005.g7305aQ30105@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Blair Peterson" To: "Mendo (E-mail)" Subject: Job opening (can lead to $$ for Land Rovers?) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org We are looking for an integration engineer in Oakland Ca. Any Mendo-ites out there might be interested (we seem to be a techie-heavy list). Email me off-line for info if interested. Cheers. From bens Fri Aug 2 20:24:41 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g730Ofp30199 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 20:24:41 -0400 Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 20:24:40 -0400 Message-Id: <200208030024.g730Oeu30195@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Franklin H. Yap" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: OK, a couple more questions(long) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Shannon Holland wrote: >... the price for the carrier for the front 110 diff - >$475! > Wow. I guess I better hang on to my Quaife as a spare for the front! Frank From bens Fri Aug 2 22:42:46 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g732gku30756 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 22:42:46 -0400 Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 22:42:46 -0400 Message-Id: <200208030242.g732gkH30752@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kevin Kelly" To: "Mendo List" Subject: Diff Question Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Shannon wrote: > (Bill at GBR's) recommendation would be to upgrade to 24 > spline axles. For the 110, he uses the CV from a 83-88 110 > - the CV itself is stronger plus the reduction in axle diameter > at the CV end is smaller. This would now be considerably more > money than I wanted to spend There is a lot of neat stuff out there (torsen diffs, air lockers, heavy duty axles, etc.). I think all of us would like to have a drivetrain with the strongest parts available but cost is always an issue... I just decided not to buy some nice used mountain bike rims with Chris King hubs a friend was selling after asking myself "do I really need them"... Since is sounds like Shannon does not have the money burning a hole in his pocket he might want to think about keeping the stock set up until something actually breaks. The D110 has a beefy Salisbury in back even if there is a failure of a major front drivetrain component you can most likely lock the center diff and still drive home. Coil Sprung Land Rovers with open front diffs and stock tires seem to hardly ever break things in the front drivetrain. Kevin From bens Fri Aug 2 22:48:22 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g732mMG30791 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 22:48:22 -0400 Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 22:48:21 -0400 Message-Id: <200208030248.g732mLv30787@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Franklin H. Yap" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Diff Question Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi Kevin, I suppose I don't really need them but ... how much did he want for them. Frank ------------------------ Kevin Kelly wrote: >... I just decided >not to buy some nice used mountain bike rims with Chris King hubs a friend >was selling after asking myself "do I really need them"... > From bens Fri Aug 2 23:59:09 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g733x9n31089 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 23:59:09 -0400 Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 23:59:08 -0400 Message-Id: <200208030359.g733x8b31085@minbar.fourfold.org> From: john hess To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Diff Question King hub wheels Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org and were the wheels (rear mainly) single speed mtb? >Hi Kevin, > >I suppose I don't really need them but ... how much did he want for them. > >Frank > >------------------------ > >Kevin Kelly wrote: [ 5 additional quoted lines pruned. ] John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Land Rover Dormobile web pages: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby" 1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" 1999 Bianchi Milano, 2001 Bianchi Pista, 2000 Merlin Extra Fat 2002 Meridian Attache Softride Tandem From bens Sat Aug 3 02:18:54 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g736IsE00481 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 02:18:54 -0400 Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 02:18:54 -0400 Message-Id: <200208030618.g736IsQ00477@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Keith Shukait To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: what gasket/sealant to use on WP?? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Jason, Might be right might be wrong and everyone please comment, but Permatex Aviation Form A Gasket seems to work great in these situations. It's usually used when mating two pieces of metal together without gasket. During the repair of my rear axle shaft I noticed the mating end of the axle flange was buggered up. I knew the paper thin gasket wasn't going to be enough to make up uneven surface. The last guy used RTV but it didn't work so well. I put Permatex Aviation Form A Gasket on both sides of the paper gasket and it hasn't leaked a drop. It's dark brown in color, has a funny smell and is sticky as heck. Cheers, Keith From bens Sat Aug 3 03:22:24 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g737MOk00785 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 03:22:24 -0400 Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 03:22:24 -0400 Message-Id: <200208030722.g737MOW00781@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Polla Slade" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Crew Cab heading south (finally!!!) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Shane, I'm there man. Here's a link to pics of the crew-cab on the semi. http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=740945#post740945 Thanks! Michael _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From bens Sat Aug 3 04:53:44 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g738rif01239 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 04:53:44 -0400 Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 04:53:44 -0400 Message-Id: <200208030853.g738ria01235@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: work done! thanks to all... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org So we finally managed to finish the 110 and drove it on a test drive (the first since July 4th) of 30+ miles and all is well. Looks like the problem related to improper prep of the mating surfaces and improper torque. Third times a charm as they say. We ended up cleaning everything properly this time and torqued everything correctly and evenly. We also went ahead and used Hylomar as well to boot. With the extra clean surfaces there was no need to use anything more serious. I'll post the details of what we learned from this extensive process if anyone is interested. And a huge thanks to everyone who contributed advice, support and suggestions during the time the work was being done! Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 From bens Sat Aug 3 14:03:02 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g73I32I03390 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 14:03:02 -0400 Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 14:03:02 -0400 Message-Id: <200208031803.g73I32X03386@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Rich Lee To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Michael's crew cab, Blue Lakes recap etc. Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi everyone, I'm just catching up with non urgent e-mail etc., and was going over the digest. I saw Michael's cool tank setup. When I used to race cars, we would solve the fuel starvation problem during cornering by placing fuel pickups on both sides of the tank.....problem solved. A more advanced trick was to fill the tank with a very porous, foam (from a spray can) that is immune to gasoline. This would also prevent sloshing of fuel and weight transfer during prolonged hard cornering (like "the Carousel" at Sears Point). it could also prevent (or at least slow) unwanted weight transfer on a steep side slope. I no longer know where you can get this spray in foam (the insulation type is way too dense, i.e. not porous enough) nor do I remember what type of foam it was, but it would turn the tank into a "quasi fuel cell", so that the gas would not come gushing out if the tank was ruptured ( i.e. "controlled burn" vs. "big bang"). The tank in my gas powered manure muleteer has some kind of foam in it that looks an feels like very open-cell mattress foam. You could possibly cut sections of this foam, scrunch it up, stuff it through a top porthole in the tank (like the fuel pump cover in a Rangie/Disco) and push it into position within the tank with old-fashioned coat hanger wire. You would then have a foam-baffled tank that would reduce sloshing, starvation and big bangs. But then, in most rover situations this would be unnecessary. On other matters. The Blue Lakes trip was an absolute blast. Everyone was delightful and Eric and Brig were the paragon of charming and gracious hosts / leaders. I found out why I was having such trouble after the crux hill in Hermit valley. My aged, charred left motor mount gave way, causing the other 3 to do the same. The engine rotated slightly and pulled off the intake plenum hose. It's amazing the truck ran at all. After replacing the hose, I was trying to catch up with the rest when I noticed a leaning snag of a dead pine tree about to impale my passenger. To save Geoff's face, I veered left and "hooked a trench" with my left front tire (a technique used in pro rally to help you corner faster on dirt roads with drainage trenches.....providing they are not filled with "rockadillos"). Problem was this trench deepened and led straight into another tree. Judging from the scars, I don't think I was the first to execute this maneuver. I was able to complete a fairly "aesthetic" campsite repair the next day with the help of a High Lift "bumper puller", tie-wraps and duct tape. I'm glad this trip finished by way of upper blue lakes and Forestdale Divide this year. The view was spectacular and it was amusing to see people snowboarding BELOW the pass that we had just driven over. I love this area and have spent many days backcountry skiing over it. We spent the remainder of the day exploring the roads and mines just east of Carson Pass with Carl and Joe Mulqueen. We explored Crater Lake (4wd access only) a lovely lake with a few primitive campsites, that is overlooks Hope Valley and is fed by cascades from melting snow fields beneath Steven's Peak. We then drove past the ruins of the mining hamlet of Alhambra (wiped out by winter avalanches) and up to one of the mine shafts that is now flooded and is the source af a lovely little creek (that does not appear to be polluted with any tailings). There we had lung and watched the HUGE cloud producing smoke plume from a wildfire somewhere near Monitor Pass. We returned to HWY. 88 and said good-bye to Carl. We then drove over Carson Pass and found a nice campsite in the Woods Lake campground (it is the best one there, a "double site" that is the first one on the left after the fee station). Woods Lake is another quiet lake fed by waterfalls from melting snows. The next day, we drove with Joe over to the Strawberry Canyon Trail, which begins above Caples Lake, just a few miles down the road from Woods Lake. The view from the top of this trail is spectacular. There were three sections descending the Strawberry Canyon trail that required spotting: "Painted Rocks" (an off-camber squeeze between 2 large boulders, so named for body contact from various rigs), "The Deep V" (a steep watercourse gully with loose sandy soil on one side and a narrow log "rail" on the other that requires precise tire placement) and "The Rock Waterfall" (a moderate descent over a rocky wet roadbed). All of these were passable with a stock 109 and Disco with no contact or traction challenges. The key is precise vehicle positioning. However, I think driving up it would be a lot tougher. I strongly recommend this as an addition to the Blue Lakes run, either as a 2 day trip with a small group of vehicles, or expand the trip to 3 or 4 days with extra time to explore the high lakes and ghost mines around Hope Valley (with Kayaks and Mountain bikes). Next Year, Maybe. Regards, Rich Lee From bens Sat Aug 3 16:00:05 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g73K05T03827 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 16:00:05 -0400 Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 16:00:05 -0400 Message-Id: <200208032000.g73K05T03823@minbar.fourfold.org> From: joe mulqueen To: mendo Cc: emeb141@cs.com Subject: Here's the Palo Alto Event info Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >From a fellow British car enthusiast: Date: Sat, 03 Aug 2002 07:30:44 -0700 From: rfeibusch1@earthlink.net (Richard Feibusch) Subject: PALO ALTO BRITISH CAR MEET 2002 THE PALO ALTO BRITISH CAR MEET SATURDAY TOUR - SUNDAY SHOW, September 7th & 8th, 2002 Be part of the biggest all British automotive lawn event in California. Over 500 classic, quirky and thoroughly lovable British cars are expected to fill the field at El Camino Park in Palo Alto, for the 23rd Annual Palo Alto British Car Meet. - -------------------------------------------------- SATURDAY - September 7th The Official British Car Meet Tour To The Sea starts at El Camino Park in Palo Alto - The same place as the Sunday Show. This is a no cost option for people who like to drive their cars rather than just show them. We will be sending cars off between 9:00AM and 10:00AM. Don't be late! The event will end at Cameron's Pub in Half Moon Bay where we will be kicking tyres and telling tall tales in the car park into the afternoon. - -------------------------------------------------- SUNDAY - September 8th Join us for the Best All British Car Show In The West! Don't have a show car? Don't worry! Daily drivers, vintage racers, street rods & works-in-progress are as welcome as concours quality show cars. Great British food, jazz, parts, literature, toys and gifts and more fun than you'll be able to tolerate! People's Choice awards in six classes. Join your British car friends for a smashing day at the park. The American MGB Association will join us with their National West Coast Convention. We are expecting over 100 MGBs and Spridgets to line the rows in front of the stage. There will be special additional AMGBA awards in classes that will be open to all MGB/Spridget owners, Members, or not. Another special area will be provided for members of the Arcane Auto Society who will display their automotive oddities from around the globe. Cars will be placed on the field by marque, starting at 9:00AM, and the fun goes on all day. The registration fee is $25 per car at the gate. There is no preregistration. All participants will receive a commemorative gift. Spectators park and attend free. - ------------------------------------------------- DIRECTIONS El Camino Park is located on the El Camino Real, just north of University Avenue, opposite Stanford Center, >From 101 take University Ave west, go under the Alma Street overpass, and turn right onto the El Camino Real. >From 280, take the Sandhill Road Exit east and turn right on the El Camino, stay to the right to the University Ave exit, turn left at the overpass, then left again back onto the El Camino heading north. Trailer parking is available on-site at the park. DO NOT PARK TRAILERS IN THE SHOPPING CENTER PARKING LOT PLEASE! For information call: 310-392-6605 or email: "Britmeet 2002" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From bens Sun Aug 4 03:10:44 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g747Aid07726 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 03:10:44 -0400 Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 03:10:44 -0400 Message-Id: <200208040710.g747AiB07722@minbar.fourfold.org> From: James Howard To: Mendo list Subject: Amplifier module Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hey folks, You know that ignition pickup module that goes on the side of the distributor on 3.9 V8s? There is this thermally conductive grease you are supposed to smear on it before you install it. How electrically conductive is that grease? Thanks, James From bens Sun Aug 4 03:59:17 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g747xHZ07902 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 03:59:17 -0400 Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 03:59:16 -0400 Message-Id: <200208040759.g747xGF07898@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Keith Shukait To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Land Rover G4 Challenge Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org All, While working on some down circuits at 12:53am, (killing time while on hold for the rest of my life...) I found that Land Rover G4 Challenge is the new Camel Trophy. Check the link below for this guy's rant and the press release: http://camel-discovery.com/startpage2.htm If someone already posted this, sorry it's late and I forgot... Cheers, Keith From bens Sun Aug 4 04:16:45 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g748GjO08045 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 04:16:45 -0400 Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 04:16:44 -0400 Message-Id: <200208040816.g748Gic08041@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Franklin H. Yap" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Amplifier module Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org The workshop manual says it is "MS4 Silicone grease or equivalent heat - conducting compound." I believe the MS4 is a designation used in Europe and is manufactured by Dow-Corning(?). I called a couple of LR dealers in the Bay Area but no one would provide me with the US equivalent. I eventually managed to track down the US equivalent and have a tube in the garage. If you need further details, I'll check in the morning. The Chevron SR1 grease mentioned in the shop manual for reassembly of the distributor is available from a Chevron distributor - however the repair shop at your local Chevron station will not be familiar with it! Frank ---------------------------------------- James Howard wrote: >You know that ignition pickup module that goes on the side of the >distributor on 3.9 V8s? There is this thermally conductive grease you are >supposed to smear on it before you install it. How electrically >conductive is that grease? > From bens Sun Aug 4 14:02:09 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g74I29B10318 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 14:02:09 -0400 Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 14:02:08 -0400 Message-Id: <200208041802.g74I28x10314@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Peter Ogilvie To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Land Rover G4 Challenge Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org It says the G-4 challenge vehicles will be painted Tangiers Orange. Remembered that mystery convoy of orange painted Land Rover vehicles that was spotted in the south west last year. Could it have been a preliminary for the G-4 Challenge??? Aloha Peter O. --- Keith Shukait wrote: I found that Land > Rover G4 Challenge is > the new Camel Trophy. Check the link below for this > guy's rant and the > press release: > Keith __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From bens Sun Aug 4 14:13:46 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g74IDkM10374 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 14:13:46 -0400 Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 14:13:46 -0400 Message-Id: <200208041813.g74IDkI10370@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kevin Kelly" To: "Mendo List" Subject: Ham Speakers Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org When I heard the 49ers pre-season game on the radio last night it reminded me that I've been wanting to set something up so I can add a mag mount external AM/FM antenna (that works better than the Range Rover in glass antenna) so I can listen to football games on long Sunday night drives home from Tahoe etc. I bought a Y adapter for the radio antenna from Parts Express and I was just about to order a AM/FM/CB splitter ( http://www.firestik.com/CatalogFrame.htm) so I could use my CB antenna as a AM/FM antenna when I decided to do a search to see if there was a similar AM/FM/HAM splitter. I didn't find the splitter but I found the posts below about running a ham (or CB) through car stereo speakers that I thought people on the list might be interested in. Kevin After much screwing around trying to mount a mobile speaker in a favorable place, it occurred to me that the best solution would simply be to use the speakers already built into the vehicle. I found a surplus FM stereo modulator unit (on eBay) which was designed to allow you to play music from a CD changer or MP3 player through your FM radio. These "XO Vision" modulators, currently still on eBay, have a PLL synthesized frequency source with two switch selectable spots on the low end of the FM dial. The unit plugs into your radio's antenna line and when you apply 12 VDC to the modulator it disconnects the antenna from the radio and inserts itself into the antenna line. The resulting signal is strong, stable, and on frequency. I feed the HF rig audio from the external speaker jack into a Y connector to both stereo channels. The unit is small enough to fit easily into the glove compartment. Many HF rigs have 12 VDC external jack that could power this device and thus you'd avoid having to plug it in to use the rig. If you are thinking about a DSP unit such as the Clear Speech speaker, you could get the separate Clear Speech DSP unit and plug it into the line going to the modulator. I've done this simply and inexpensively for several years. There's no doubt about it, the factory-installed stereo speakers in automobiles are pretty darned good, and if you crank up the volume, they fill the car with very rich audio, even from the ham bands. I use a CD-to-cassette adapter which requires no power source, does not install in the antenna line, and interrupts absolutely nothing. They are sold as an accessory for "CD Walkman" type units, to convert them for mobile operation. It's a passive device that simply plugs into the cassette port on the car stereo, and has a stereo mini jack, into which you can plug any "line level" audio source. I use a $2 patch cord from the "speaker out" jack on my mobile rig to the "line level in" jack on the cassette adapter, and -- bingo -- lots of mobile amplified, hi-fi audio. The adapters cost about $10, and as I said, are completely passive. When you want to use the car radio or other function of the original equipment, you just press the "eject" button, and out it pops. WB2WIK/6 From bens Sun Aug 4 14:49:34 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g74InY210527 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 14:49:34 -0400 Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 14:49:34 -0400 Message-Id: <200208041849.g74InYu10523@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Zaxcoinc@aol.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Electrical woes.... ;-( Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset="US-ASCII" ] [ 13 lines filtered. ] In a message dated 7/23/02 6:23:42 AM Pacific Daylight Time, twakeman@cruzers.com writes: > I keep a lead with alligator clips at each end in the car & used it for > open circuit conditions. > > Me too, it comes in handy for moving cars that boneheads have left in front of gates. I have yet to need to explain its presence to the police. Then, I haven't been caught moving cars. I suppose some have been confused when their car was in a different place than they left it. Zack From bens Sun Aug 4 15:13:09 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g74JD9C10642 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 15:13:09 -0400 Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 15:13:08 -0400 Message-Id: <200208041913.g74JD8u10638@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Zaxcoinc@aol.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Scottish Games Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset="US-ASCII" ] [ 11 lines filtered. ] In a message dated 7/31/02 5:54:17 PM Pacific Daylight Time, MHANNAFORD@ShastaCollege.edu writes: > Any other Rovers planning to attend the Scottish > Games in Pleasanton? > > Aye. From bens Sun Aug 4 17:55:59 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g74Ltxs11429 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 17:55:59 -0400 Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 17:55:58 -0400 Message-Id: <200208042155.g74Ltwr11425@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Keith Shukait To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Trailer? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org All, Does anyone in the SF bay area have a trailer I can borrow / rent for next weekend? I need to take the NADA and Euro 6 cylinders, transmission and t-case down to Pat Young near LA. I plan on leaving Friday and returning on Sunday. Pat and I will take the engines apart and see if they are worth rebuilding. If we find out their junk I'll be hauling them back here for scrap. If they're good that leaves the trailer empty for the trip home. I'd be available to haul up what ever fits on that trailer to who ever needs something brought back. Disclaimer: It needs to be under the GCVWR of my Discovery and trailer. It also must be under the trailers GVWR. Cheers, Keith & Pam Shukait Northern California Rover Club 1997 Land Rover Discovery I XD "YLLWJKT" 1969 Land Rover Series IIA ExMoD 109 Regular "Millie" 1967 Land Rover Series IIA NADA 6 Cylinder Dormobile "Indiana" From bens Sun Aug 4 18:29:57 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g74MTvq11561 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 18:29:57 -0400 Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 18:29:56 -0400 Message-Id: <200208042229.g74MTuf11557@minbar.fourfold.org> From: craig reece To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Trailer? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Keith, I have a trailer made from the bed of an 88 that I bought from Blair Peterson and Michael Battey. It needs a little air in one tire, but is otherwise roadworthy. It also has a hydraulic boom that might be handy for loading and unloading the engines. Only drawback for you is the trailer's in Berkeley and you're on the peninsula, I think. But if you don't get a closer one, you are welcome to use it free of charge. Craig Keith Shukait wrote: > All, > > Does anyone in the SF bay area have a trailer I can borrow / rent for > next weekend? I need to take the NADA and Euro 6 cylinders, > transmission and t-case down to Pat Young near LA. I plan on leaving > Friday and returning on Sunday. Pat and I will take the engines apart > and see if they are worth rebuilding. If we find out their junk I'll be > hauling them back here for scrap. If they're good that leaves the > trailer empty for the trip home. I'd be available to haul up what ever [ 11 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Mon Aug 5 01:47:32 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g755lWU15153 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 01:47:32 -0400 Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 01:47:32 -0400 Message-Id: <200208050547.g755lWG15149@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Shannon Holland To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Disco wheel Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Does anyone have recommendations for a good place to get a alloy wheel for a 96 disco (or anyone have any they want to sell)? My girlfriend had a tire blow out at 80mph on 205 tonight (she and truck are ok!). So, she's now in the market for one! Not sure I even want to know what the dealership might charge for one... Thanks! Shannon From bens Mon Aug 5 02:07:51 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7567pM15253 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 02:07:51 -0400 Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 02:07:51 -0400 Message-Id: <200208050607.g7567pn15249@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Russ Wilson To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Disco wheel Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Does anyone have recommendations for a good place to get a alloy wheel >for a 96 disco (or anyone have any they want to sell)? My girlfriend had >a tire blow out at 80mph on 205 tonight (she and truck are ok!). So, >she's now in the market for one! Not sure I even want to know what the >dealership might charge for one... > >Thanks! > >Shannon Check with the usual suspects. BP would be a good place to start. RW -- "Your friend is the one you call to bail you out of jail. Your best friend is the one sitting next to you saying,'Dude, that was awesome!" From bens Mon Aug 5 02:15:46 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g756Fkm15298 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 02:15:46 -0400 Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 02:15:46 -0400 Message-Id: <200208050615.g756Fkl15294@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Mehdi Saghafi" To: Subject: RE: Disco wheel Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Alpha parts exchange. Used From bens Mon Aug 5 02:21:24 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g756LOB15335 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 02:21:24 -0400 Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 02:21:24 -0400 Message-Id: <200208050621.g756LOc15331@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Disco wheel Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- Shannon Holland wrote: > > Does anyone have recommendations for a good place to get > a alloy wheel > for a 96 disco (or anyone have any they want to sell)? My > girlfriend had > a tire blow out at 80mph on 205 tonight (she and truck > are ok!). Glad to hear she is not hurt (or the rover) , > she's now in the market for one! Not sure I even want to > know what the > dealership might charge for one... dealer will charge something like $350 for it... You can try Alfa Parts Exchange. They moved from Hayward to Tracy, and do not have that much rover stuff anymore, but worth a shot.... is her spare ok to use for now? if not, I have a steelie spare with brand new stock tire you can borrow. Also try Acker wheel in San Jose. They can usually get any wheel. Depending on the damage, they can repair it for you too. You may be surprised at what can be repaired.(but a good used one may be cheaper..) Paul __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From bens Mon Aug 5 03:46:30 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g757kU515702 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 03:46:30 -0400 Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 03:46:30 -0400 Message-Id: <200208050746.g757kUu15698@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Shannon Holland To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Disco wheel Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Thanks all! Will try Alpha/BP in the morning. I haven't seen the wheel yet, with some luck it might be reparable (her spare if fine for now). Shannon On Sunday, August 4, 2002, at 11:21 PM, Paul Archibald wrote: > > > --- Shannon Holland wrote: >> >> Does anyone have recommendations for a good place to get >> a alloy wheel >> for a 96 disco (or anyone have any they want to sell)? My >> girlfriend had >> a tire blow out at 80mph on 205 tonight (she and truck [ 29 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Mon Aug 5 10:05:27 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g75E5R817511 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 10:05:27 -0400 Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 10:05:26 -0400 Message-Id: <200208051405.g75E5QC17507@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: what gasket/sealant to use on WP?? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "....Permatex Aviation Form A Gasket seems to work great in these situations..." Keith, You've found my sliver bullet, and always the last one in the gun. The Av FaG has never failed me. Only downsides are 1) it doesn't seal gasoline very well, and 2) It is a NIGHTMARE to separate the parts after some time if it's used on a large surface. I had one of those long cam covers on a Jag straight 6 that just wouldn't seal, so I used the AvFaG. At the next valve lash I ended up pulling the studs and using a guitar string (what's the high one E?) to cut the sucker off the head. This stuff would be WAY down the list and almost certainly not necessary on a water pump, but not a bad idea for weepy hub flanges (though a gasket cut from paper lunch bag and swabbed with Hylomar has been serving well too...). JMO, -Dave G. PS- if the gasket surface is gouged, first try using a ball peen hammer and/or blunt steel punch to push any upset metal back into the void, and then smooth the surface with a honing stone before cleaning up with acetone or spirits. The gasket or sealant will find it easier to conform to gradual surface changes than sudden ones. From bens Mon Aug 5 10:26:20 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g75EQKo17686 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 10:26:20 -0400 Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 10:26:20 -0400 Message-Id: <200208051426.g75EQK717682@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Amplifier module Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org ".....There is this thermally conductive grease you are supposed to smear on it before you install it. How electrically conductive is that grease?....." Try Radio Shack if you need the grease. This stuff is usually used to assist heat conduction from big transistors to the heat sinks they mount on. You'll find it behind the amplifier and power supply ICs in car stereos and amps. One other way to go is a thing we called a Sil-pad. It's a thin grey sheet that's some kind of paper impregnated with the same stuff and adhesive on one side. Cleaner and easier to use, but usually more expensive. Most of the ICs we used the stuff on needed to ground through the heat sink flange, but this was accomplished by the screw or clip that held the device in place. We didn't rely on conducting through the grease. But you never know, Land Rover may be, "a little different." -Dave G. From bens Mon Aug 5 11:43:36 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g75Fhae18245 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 11:43:36 -0400 Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 11:43:36 -0400 Message-Id: <200208051543.g75FhaO18241@minbar.fourfold.org> From: eric.fournier@attbi.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Disco wheel Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org If you have to go new, try http://www.roverconnection.com/ They have it for $250. (no tax) HTH Eric Fournier From bens Mon Aug 5 12:38:29 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g75GcTn18641 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 12:38:29 -0400 Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 12:38:29 -0400 Message-Id: <200208051638.g75GcTe18637@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Curtin, Gerald" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #811 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I was pulling my spark plugs out this weekend to double check/clean on my Series III and noticed that the [Champion] plug metal element was wearing towards the back (looking at the open gap from the front) on several of them. I put new ones in around January, and only have around 5K on them... Any ideas as to the cause of this? I'm perplexed, and haven't noticed any deterioration in power or performance... then again, it's a series, so performance and power are negligible anyway!!! :) -Gerald This email contains information that may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy or disclose this message to anybody or the information contained herein. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender and delete this message. Thank you. From bens Mon Aug 5 13:34:47 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g75HYlZ19210 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 13:34:47 -0400 Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 13:34:47 -0400 Message-Id: <200208051734.g75HYlc19206@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #811 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi, Are you using the correct heat range for the truck? It kind of sounds like they are too hot. After the plug electrode the piston goes south. Bob B At 09:38 AM 8/5/2002, you wrote: >I was pulling my spark plugs out this weekend to double check/clean on my >Series III and noticed that the [Champion] plug metal element was wearing >towards the back (looking at the open gap from the front) on several of >them. I put new ones in around January, and only have around 5K on them... > >Any ideas as to the cause of this? I'm perplexed, and haven't noticed any >deterioration in power or performance... >then again, it's a series, so performance and power are negligible anyway!!! >:) [ 7 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Mon Aug 5 14:37:37 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g75Ibbd20118 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 14:37:37 -0400 Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 14:37:36 -0400 Message-Id: <200208051837.g75IbaX20114@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Shannon Holland To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Disco wheel Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Thanks all! Will try Alpha/BP in the morning. I haven't seen the wheel yet, with some luck it might be reparable (her spare if fine for now). Shannon On Sunday, August 4, 2002, at 11:21 PM, Paul Archibald wrote: > > > --- Shannon Holland wrote: >> >> Does anyone have recommendations for a good place to get >> a alloy wheel >> for a 96 disco (or anyone have any they want to sell)? My >> girlfriend had >> a tire blow out at 80mph on 205 tonight (she and truck [ 29 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Mon Aug 5 14:50:17 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g75IoHP20280 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 14:50:17 -0400 Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 14:50:17 -0400 Message-Id: <200208051850.g75IoH320276@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: Idler pulley repair Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In the course of doing some 60k service type stuff on Cheryl's rangie yesterday I decided I'm not comfortable with the way the idler pulleys are operating and I'm going to replace the bearings sooner rather than later. I guess I won't need that spare of yours, Paul. I decided I'll just take the one from the AC belt and ask Cheryl to live without AC for a few days or a week while I look into whether I can replace the bearing or need to get the bearing and shaft assembly from LR. The LR part is like $75. I'm sure Mohamed is cheaper, but I also know that bearing is about a $12 part from the bearing supply. Charlie Haigh tells me the same bearing/shaft assembly will work for either the AC or the water pump idler. I don't know what I'd do without him as the parts book is clear as mud on this one. I darned near ordered a pair from him, just for helping me with the info, but he only had one in stock as he'd just done the job on a Rangie last week where the one on the AC belt had failed and took the fan and radiator with it. Long story not-so-short, if anyone has any tips and tricks for the job of repairing the idler assemblies, let me know. When I find out what the bearing numbers are I'll post them here, as well as the D90 and coiler lists. -Dave G. From bens Mon Aug 5 15:14:13 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g75JEDN20658 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 15:14:13 -0400 Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 15:14:12 -0400 Message-Id: <200208051914.g75JECY20654@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Nevada Desert after action report... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Since no one else posted a roundup of the Nevada trip, I'll do so. 10 Land Rovers made it for the trip - 2 Disco II's, 2 Disco I's, 2 RR's, a D110, a SIIA 109, a SIIA 88, and a SIII 88. Everyone met up in Reno early Friday morning and left for Sutcliffe and The Smoke Creek Desert, everyone except Charles Phu in his Disco II. Charles contacted the group (as we were getting ready to leave) from Sacramento to say he was running late and he'd catch up with us while we were getting permits at the Indian reservation. We made our stop at Sutcliffe but when we were ready to shove off there was no sign of Charles and no one could get cell phone reception to call him. Without any contact and time slipping away and over 100 miles to travel we headed out without Charles... Amazingly, as we were heading into the Calico Mountains on Friday evening nearing our camp for the first night, Charles crackled onto the radio! We were giving some general instructions for a more rugged section of the trail and he managed to pick us up! We had just crossed the Black Rock Desert which is a totally flat, totally dead expanse of dry dusty lake bed. Being up in the Calico Mountains allowed our radio signal to travel out across the Black Rock where Charles happened to be looking for us. The adventure didn't end there though! Once we had a precariously weak radio connection we had to find a way to pinpoint where he was in relation to where we were and route him to our location. Lucky for us he had a GPS so he fed us his coordinates which we entered into our laptop/GPS setup. We found where he was, connected it to where we were, looked ahead from his location using our topo software and routed him to exactly where he needed to go to meet up with us. About an hour later he rolled into camp, dusty, tired and very excited to have caught up with us. There was only about 2 hours of light left when we first made contact so everyone was relieved when he finally meet up with us. The entire first day of the trip the horizon was so overcast that everything more than a few miles out was significantly obscured. This was in great contrast to what it's normally like in the region with vistas for dozens and dozens of miles in all directions. Apparently there were fires in Oregon that were causing the atmosphere in northwestern Nevada to be significantly impacted. Luckily Saturday and Sunday the skies were totally clear. Highlights for the first day included seeing the Needles Formation at the northern end of Pyramid Lake through the overcast skies, overlanding the Smoke Creek Desert (50+ miles) stopping in Gerlach to gas up, rest and eat, and likely the greatest highlight for everyone, crossing the Black Rock Desert. We had gauged that it was a 50 mile crossing but it turned out to be only about 25 miles - it was awesome none-the-less. Jon Turner in his 110 got it up to 95 miles per hour in an attempt to break the Land Rover speed record. Not bad for a 4,900 pound 4x4 brick wall! The first night at camp we gave away numerous items donated by British Pacific and our other sponsors. We had a fun trivia contest about Nevada, the desert and Land Rovers. Videos, hats, magazines, key fobs and some other neat things were given away. Saturday morning everyone was lured out of camp early by the first drawing for one of the four "grand prizes" we had to give away. Jon and Emily Turner's name was pulled first and they choose the ARB gift certificate allowing them 40% of any one item or system, up to an $800 savings. A nice prize indeed! The second name drawn was Michael Bellingham (SIIA 88) and he choose the expedition fuel and water can set from BP. The other two grand prizes were provided by National Geographic and were awarded on Sunday morning. Chris and Laura De Jesus (DII) won the Nevada topo set and Armando Nieto (DI) won the California set. Saturday morning we finished the Calico Mountains and arrived at the entrance to High Rock Canyon about 12:30pm. Jon and Emily's 110 had a radiator problem at that time caused by an exploding viscous fan blade. The bits and pieces of the fan blade punctured the radiator core causing it to leak in two places. A prompt application of some handy quick setting fuel tank and radiator anti-leak compound stopped the leak. A particular highlight was our attempt to physically blow into the fill hole to pressurize the system and find all the leaks in the core. Made for some, er, interesting photos. Jon traveled the rest of the trip minus most of his fan blade but experienced no further leaking. We camped for the night on Saturday at Steven's Camp which is a free-use cabin with a shower, pit toilet, fire ring, and other nice amenities! It was the closest thing to civilization within about 100 miles or so. Sunday morning a smaller group attempted a nice hill climb to an obsidian field where we collected some very nice rock examples. Thereafter the group headed towards dirt Hwy 34 across Grassy Canyon and Antelope Flat. In this region we spotted the most close-in wild horses and antelopes of the entire trip. After hitting Hwy 34 we drove to Leadville Canyon to visit the ghost town of Leadville for lunch. This was the break point for some who continued down 34 to Gerlach and back to Reno and home. After lunch the remaining group headed to Gerlach as well, stopped for ice cream in Empire, and made a bee-line for SF. We personally arrived in Reno at about 4pm and got to SF at about 8pm. I'll post pics of the trip soon! jpipes From bens Mon Aug 5 15:15:12 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g75JFC920697 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 15:15:12 -0400 Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 15:15:12 -0400 Message-Id: <200208051915.g75JFC520693@minbar.fourfold.org> From: James Howard To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Amplifier module Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org The reason I asked was I put a new module on, because the old one was failing when it got hot. After putting the new one, it wouldn't fire at all. So, I started checking everything, gave up in frustration, and went to bed. In the middle of the night, I woke up with the thought that if I got some of that goo on the leads, it might short since most good thermal conductors are also good electrical conductors. So, I went to email you all. Yesterday, I put the leads of my Ohmmeter across some goo and got no connection. I pulled the distributor out, made sure there was no goo on the leads, changed the module back to the old one, put it back together and it fired right up. So, a brand new module was bad. I called BP and they were not surprised. Another new one is in the mail. While I had the distributor out, I noticed that the mechanical advance was sticky, so I took everything apart to clean and lube it. I found that one of the springs is stretched enough that is not working. BP says the springs are not available separately, and I don't want to know the price of a new distributor. Anyone know if there is a GM distributor that will work on the 3.9? James From bens Mon Aug 5 15:16:20 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g75JGKg20726 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 15:16:20 -0400 Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 15:16:20 -0400 Message-Id: <200208051916.g75JGKD20722@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Shane Ballensky To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Idler pulley repair Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > > >Long story not-so-short, if anyone has any tips and tricks for the job of >repairing the idler assemblies, let me know. When I find out what the >bearing numbers are I'll post them here, as well as the D90 and coiler >lists. I recently did this on a 300tdi. Both idler pulleys used the same bearing that I got at my local auto parts store. Though they may not be the same the part number for the bearing(s) I got is: 203-FF This is for federal mogul brand the number on the bearing is: 62003C3 and the both the old bearing and the new one had this same number. The bearing were retained in the pulley by C-clips. These were not the type were you could use the regular snap ring pliers on the holes but had an angled end that i just used a screw driver to pry and pop out. I can't remember using the press to remove the bearing so it must have been fairly easy to remove. Probably a socket and your favorite hammer. One of the pulleys in my application(300 tdi remember!) had reverse threads, so you may want to give yourself a gear test to see which way the pulley spins before getting out the cheater bar. >Shane From bens Mon Aug 5 15:24:20 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g75JOK620807 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 15:24:20 -0400 Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 15:24:20 -0400 Message-Id: <200208051924.g75JOKg20803@minbar.fourfold.org> From: eschoenman@mac.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: FS: Nato gas can holders and BP Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/enriched; ] [ 29 lines filtered. ] --Apple-Mail-2-876067545 charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed I have a 2 Nato gas can holders that I want to sell. I ordered them from British Pacific as a "special of the day" packaged deal a few weeks ago (came with the NATO water cans). Unfortunately the water cans are a little too large to fit in the holders. BP was very unreasonable and won't let me return just the holders. So in order to get just the water cans (which I need), I would have to ship everything back. But this isn't cost effective as it would cost more to ship it back then the difference in price. I tried offering up even a minimal credit for the holders ($10 each). They wouldn't even work with me on it. This is the LAST TIME that I will ever order anything from BP. The holders work OK with the Nato gas cans but I really don't need them for that. So anyone that wants the holders can have them at 2 for $20 (obo). They are in brand new condition (never used except to see if the cans fit in them). They are in San Francisco. I can deliver locally or can be picked up. Email me off line at eschoenman@mac.com. Eric '88 RR (Dusty) --Apple-Mail-2-876067545 From bens Mon Aug 5 15:57:18 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g75JvIr21166 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 15:57:18 -0400 Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 15:57:17 -0400 Message-Id: <200208051957.g75JvHo21162@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Russ Wilson To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: FS: Nato gas can holders and BP Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > >I have a 2 Nato gas can holders that I want to sell. I ordered them >from British Pacific as a "special of the day" packaged deal a few weeks >ago (came with the NATO water cans). Unfortunately the water cans are a >little too large to fit in the holders. BP was very unreasonable and >won't let me return just the holders.They wouldn't even work with me >on it. This is the >LAST TIME that I will ever order anything from BP. I'd call back and ask to speak with Tim. He's very easy to work with and a good guy. Don't know who you caught on the phone. I'd give it another try though. RW -- "Your friend is the one you call to bail you out of jail. Your best friend is the one sitting next to you saying,'Dude, that was awesome!" From bens Mon Aug 5 16:06:46 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g75K6kQ21321 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 16:06:46 -0400 Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 16:06:46 -0400 Message-Id: <200208052006.g75K6kl21316@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Eric Schoenman To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: FS: Nato gas can holders and BP Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/enriched; ] [ 52 lines filtered. ] --Apple-Mail-5-878613430 charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Which guy is Tim? They guy that I talked to is "normal person" who answers the phone. Kind of speaks with a layed back drawl. Eric On Monday, August 5, 2002, at 12:57 PM, Russ Wilson wrote: > >> >> I have a 2 Nato gas can holders that I want to sell. I ordered them >> from British Pacific as a "special of the day" packaged deal a few >> weeks >> ago (came with the NATO water cans). Unfortunately the water cans >> are a >> little too large to fit in the holders. BP was very unreasonable and >> won't let me return just the holders.They wouldn't even work with me [ 13 additional quoted lines pruned. ] Eric --Apple-Mail-5-878613430 From bens Mon Aug 5 16:25:56 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g75KPu521507 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 16:25:56 -0400 Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 16:25:56 -0400 Message-Id: <200208052025.g75KPur21503@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Russ Wilson To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: FS: Nato gas can holders and BP Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > >Which guy is Tim? They guy that I talked to is "normal person" who >answers the phone. Kind of speaks with a layed back drawl. > That sounds like Tim. Call back and give it another shot. I've always found BP to be easy to work with. RW -- "Your friend is the one you call to bail you out of jail. Your best friend is the one sitting next to you saying,'Dude, that was awesome!" From bens Mon Aug 5 16:27:45 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g75KRjO21529 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 16:27:45 -0400 Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 16:27:45 -0400 Message-Id: <200208052027.g75KRjC21525@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Amplifier module Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "...Anyone know if there is a GM distributor that will work on the 3.9?..." I'm not sure if I'm dating myself here, but a good distributor shop used to be able to "curve" your distributor for you and set those mechanical advance units up to advance on a specified curve based on the springs and weights used. A place like that would have a good assortment of the proper type of spring. I wouldn't know where to find a shop, but I'd start by hanging out around the local dirt tracks, or speed shops. I have a guy in Denver I could ask if it's still done. There's a good chance it's all gone electronic now though.... :^( -Dave G. From bens Mon Aug 5 16:34:26 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g75KYQr21587 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 16:34:26 -0400 Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 16:34:26 -0400 Message-Id: <200208052034.g75KYQ421583@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Idler pulley repair Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Thanks Shane. Always a comfort to know somebody's BTDT. Bearing number sounds suspiciously close to the number used on my 98 Disco with the 4.0 and serpentine belt (it was NTN 6203 LV ). That one had the flat type circlip too. I might see if I can switch these over to regular internal Tru-Arc rings for easier service next time around. We'll see. -Dave G. From bens Mon Aug 5 16:38:07 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g75Kc7721624 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 16:38:07 -0400 Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 16:38:07 -0400 Message-Id: <200208052038.g75Kc7i21620@minbar.fourfold.org> From: James Howard To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Amplifier module Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org On Mon, 5 Aug 2002, Gomes, David wrote: > spring. I wouldn't know where to find a shop, but I'd start by hanging out > around the local dirt tracks, or speed shops. I have a guy in Denver I None of that good stuff around here. I bet I could go to Phoenix and do it, but it would probably be easier if I just built a stand to hold the distributor, got an electric motor to turn it, a bag full of extension springs, and started playing. Of course, I have issues with the design of the whole mechanism anyway, and would probably want to put proper bearings in the pivots. From bens Mon Aug 5 16:49:28 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g75KnSC21738 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 16:49:28 -0400 Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 16:49:28 -0400 Message-Id: <200208052049.g75KnSm21734@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Amplifier module Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org A fella with lots of experience with this is right in your area. Not sure why I didn't think of it before. Dave Brown is on the CSO list and has tricked out his LR block with all sorts of goodies including the haltech computer, and an aftermarket dizzy. Mallory, I think, but he could help you more. He's in AZ somewhere. Maybe Phoenix or Flagstaff, not sure. If you don't know him, you should. As well as Bob Kolander and his "orange rover", which might be sold by now.... If you need help looking them up, let me know. -Dave G. From bens Mon Aug 5 16:54:22 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g75KsM221805 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 16:54:22 -0400 Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 16:54:22 -0400 Message-Id: <200208052054.g75KsMY21801@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Eric Schoenman To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: FS: Nato gas can holders and BP Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/enriched; ] [ 60 lines filtered. ] --Apple-Mail-9-881469533 charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed I've had OK experiences with them before (had one incident with a bad dizzy rotor), but this time I spent over 10 minutes trying to work out a reasonable arrangement for dealing with this, and his only answers were "send it all back" or "keep it all". Neither of those options seemed to be in the best interest of either of us. The shipping costs alone negated any benefit of returning all of it. All I was asking for was to return the holders for the difference in price between the special deal and the full price of the water cans (as though I just bought the cans by themselves). No deal. Anyhow the matter in mute. Eric Fournier is relieving me of them. Thanks, Eric. I basically believe in good customer service. If a business can not understand how to satisfy the customer, they have no right being in business (unless they are monopoly, which BP isn't). There are a whole lot of companies out there that I will never do business again. Later, Eric On Monday, August 5, 2002, at 01:25 PM, Russ Wilson wrote: > >> >> Which guy is Tim? They guy that I talked to is "normal person" who >> answers the phone. Kind of speaks with a layed back drawl. >> > > That sounds like Tim. Call back and give it another shot. I've > always found BP to be easy to work with. > [ 6 additional quoted lines pruned. ] Eric --Apple-Mail-9-881469533 From bens Mon Aug 5 16:57:32 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g75KvW621844 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 16:57:32 -0400 Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 16:57:32 -0400 Message-Id: <200208052057.g75KvW921840@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Nevada Desert photos!!!! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Here are the best of the photos we took on the Nevada Desert trip. There are some really great shots in here, thanks to Armando's VERY nice digital camera. http://www.norcalrover.org/pastevents/BR2002/index.htm Enjoy, Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 From bens Mon Aug 5 17:01:20 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g75L1Ki21887 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 17:01:20 -0400 Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 17:01:20 -0400 Message-Id: <200208052101.g75L1Kl21883@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: Amplifier module Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- James Howard wrote: > > On Mon, 5 Aug 2002, Gomes, David wrote: > > > spring. I wouldn't know where to find a shop, but I'd > start by hanging out > > around the local dirt tracks, or speed shops. I have a > guy in Denver I > > None of that good stuff around here. I bet I could go to [ 10 additional quoted lines pruned. ] My ex father-in law made one of these ten years ago when I sold him one of my Jensen Healey's to him as he wanted to play with the distributor...he took a cheapy bench-top drill and turned it upside down...and went from there....but he ws also doing somethng with an electronic ignition he had invented back int eh seventies(but couldn't compete with the big guys).....I really miss having him as a mentor and sounding board... Paul __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From bens Mon Aug 5 17:39:27 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g75LdRD22156 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 17:39:27 -0400 Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 17:39:27 -0400 Message-Id: <200208052139.g75LdRn22152@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Nevada Desert photos!!!! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Nice pix and report Jason. Wish I'd been there. -Dave G. From bens Mon Aug 5 17:47:12 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g75LlCl22249 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 17:47:12 -0400 Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 17:47:11 -0400 Message-Id: <200208052147.g75LlBC22245@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Sunday @ The King's Head Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- Jeff Rogers wrote: > I just thought I'd mention that a few of us are planning > to be at the King's > Head in Campbell this Sunday at about 5pm. There's a > visitor from England > that is interested in meeting folks and seeing trucks so > I thought we'd just > have a beer or two. Come on down... Well it was a small turn-up, but fun! I arrived my usual lateness..this time @ 6:15 and bumped into Keith and Pam talking with Jeff and our newest member(or soon to be) Tim. Keith and Pam had to leave shortly, so the three of us talked int he parking lot a while until Shannon Holland drove up (in a focus!);-0 after a bit mre talking Jeff had to go off for dinner, and I found out tht they had never even made it into the pub!!!!! Horrified by this, and a little parched, Shannon, Tim and I went inside for a few hours of conversation and a drink....pretty much closed the bar doen at 10:00 ;-) Tim is here working for a year before heading back to ol' blighty...and is having Landy withdrawall(had a 300tdi 90, and had a few otheres before that..) He will be happy to hang out at all and any rover gatherings, and is joining the NCRC as well. Tim, if you are on the list yet, Welcome! ;-) Paul __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From bens Mon Aug 5 17:48:50 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g75Lmom22273 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 17:48:50 -0400 Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 17:48:50 -0400 Message-Id: <200208052148.g75LmoP22269@minbar.fourfold.org> From: James Howard To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Amplifier module Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I have met them both. Dave Brown's brother lives here in Flag. I will track him down. I am actually getting ready to call my machine shop buddy in Phoenix to see if he can help Bob out with his helicoil mess. On Mon, 5 Aug 2002, Gomes, David wrote: > > A fella with lots of experience with this is right in your area. Not sure > why I didn't think of it before. Dave Brown is on the CSO list and has > tricked out his LR block with all sorts of goodies including the haltech > computer, and an aftermarket dizzy. Mallory, I think, but he could help you > more. He's in AZ somewhere. Maybe Phoenix or Flagstaff, not sure. If you > don't know him, you should. As well as Bob Kolander and his "orange rover", > which might be sold by now.... > [ 4 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Mon Aug 5 17:55:07 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g75Lt7P22319 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 17:55:07 -0400 Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 17:55:06 -0400 Message-Id: <200208052155.g75Lt6s22315@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Amplifier module Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "...his helicoil mess...." Sounds like I don't want to know. I changed plugs on Cheryl's truck this weekend. They were mighty sticky the first few turns and I was hoping it wouldn't turn into a bigger job. No problems though. New ones were coated with antiseize before installation. Remain calm, all is well. -Dave G. From bens Mon Aug 5 18:03:07 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g75M37H22396 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 18:03:07 -0400 Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 18:03:07 -0400 Message-Id: <200208052203.g75M37h22392@minbar.fourfold.org> From: James Howard To: Mendo list Subject: Distributor info for Series trucks Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org While looking up info on distributor advance curves, I came across this: http://members.tripod.com/~mini_digest/dizzy.htm It talks about putting a $10 Hitachi distributor with electronic ignition in BMC A and B series engines. If you can use it in a B series engine, you can also use it in a Series Land Rover. Just a thought someone here might want to pursue. James From bens Mon Aug 5 18:57:28 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g75MvSg22826 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 18:57:28 -0400 Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 18:57:28 -0400 Message-Id: <200208052257.g75MvSO22822@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: ...added captions to NV Desert photos... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org FYI, I added captions to all the pics I posted earlier. Should make them more interesting to view. http://www.norcalrover.org/pastevents/BR2002/index.htm Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 From bens Mon Aug 5 19:13:38 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g75NDcZ22950 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 19:13:38 -0400 Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 19:13:38 -0400 Message-Id: <200208052313.g75NDco22946@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jeff Rogers To: Mendo Recce List Subject: Craig Recce / Biodiesel Rig Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hey Craig: Any pic's and details of your new rig? I'd be interested to see it. It would make a good article for the NCRC newsletter as well. -->Jeff From bens Mon Aug 5 19:27:09 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g75NR9c23036 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 19:27:09 -0400 Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 19:27:09 -0400 Message-Id: <200208052327.g75NR9f23032@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jeff Rogers To: Mendo Recce List Subject: A seat on the Niagara Rim trial Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi folks: A guy by the name of Tim Borrman (some of you met him yesterday at the King's Head) is over from the UK and would like to go on a few outings with the club. He doesn't have his truck over here so he's looking for a ride down the Niagara Rim trail on the club run the weekend of the 17-18. Please contact him directly if you'll have an extra seat, boormantim@hotmail.com. Tim's a great gut and a new club member. -->jeff From bens Tue Aug 6 09:12:34 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g76DCYN28084 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 09:12:34 -0400 Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 09:12:34 -0400 Message-Id: <200208061312.g76DCYh28080@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Turner, Jon [LFS]" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: New Radiator / Fan for the 110 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; ] [ 76 lines filtered. ] This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. charset="iso-8859-1" As with most projects, this is taking a bit more time than originally planned! My radiator was holed when my fan blades self-destructed during the NCRC Nevada trip, but fortunately Jason Pipes had just finished having his radiator rebuilt but didn't need it since he also bought a new one. He picked up the radiator from the shop (allowing him to retrieve the fittings for his oil cooler and complete the install of his new radiator), and even dropped it by the house on Saturday! Jason had changed from 3 core to 4 core during the rebuild, which was what I would have done if I had rebuilt my radiator, so it all worked out great. Thanks for the radiator Jason! Since I have been having some overheating problems at low idle (with AC on in the desert), I decided that this would be a prime opportunity to change over to electric fans. Flex-A-Lite makes a great kit (the 210) that is an almost perfect fit for the 110/90 radiator. It comes with an adjustable thermostat, and a cutout switch so you can turn the fans off during water crossings, etc. The fan is great, but I wasn't happy with the way the fan was supposed to mount - you basically bolt it permanently onto the radiator with some plastic bolts that pass all the way through the radiator core. I want to be able to take the fan out to access the radiator, etc (and I wasn't too excited about the prospect of jamming nylon bolts through the radiator core). So I've fabricated a set of 4 clips at the bottom of the radiator to hold the fan shroud (similar to the OEM fan shroud clips already on the radiator but these fit the flex-a-lite), and another clip at the top center of the radiator. I used stainless-steel pop-rivets to hold the bottom mounts into place, and the top clip is held in place with zinc-plated machine screws. Since this is a 'puller' fan, the low pressure side of the fan will also help to hold it in place, sucking it in towards the radiator. During my pop-riveting adventures, my trusty pop-riveter died on me. So off to Harbor Freight where they had a pneumatic pop-riveter on sale. Amazing! Just pull the trigger and it pops the rivet in cleanly with no fuss! I've been truly impressed with how easy this gadget makes pop-riveting, which has always been a bit of a pain for me - I find the hand operated rivet-pullers pretty awkward. If you play around with air tools I highly recommend it, especially for the price! (I've been buying the really cheap Chinese air-tools from Harbor Freight for years, and have never had a problem. I don't expect they would hold up really well under heavy use, but for occasional use they are a good deal.) So I now have the radiator and fans physically installed, just have to do the electrics now. Jon Turner '01 RR 4.6 HSE '93 NAS 110 412/500 From bens Tue Aug 6 11:59:30 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g76FxU029905 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 11:59:30 -0400 Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 11:59:30 -0400 Message-Id: <200208061559.g76FxUD29901@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Franklin H. Yap" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: New Radiator / Fan for the 110 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Turner, Jon [LFS] wrote: > .. So off >to Harbor Freight where they had a pneumatic pop-riveter on sale. > Is there a store in the Bay Area? Frank From bens Tue Aug 6 12:01:36 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g76G1aK29943 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 12:01:36 -0400 Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 12:01:36 -0400 Message-Id: <200208061601.g76G1ap29939@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Nieto, Armando S., Jr." To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: New Radiator / Fan for the 110 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 33 lines filtered. ] Frank, I was just there yesterday. Newark, off of Cedar Blvd. Check harborfreight.com for exact address. Armando From bens Tue Aug 6 12:24:37 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g76GObY30124 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 12:24:37 -0400 Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 12:24:37 -0400 Message-Id: <200208061624.g76GObs30120@minbar.fourfold.org> From: shukait@mac.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: what gasket/sealant to use on WP?? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Dave, > (though a gasket cut from paper lunch bag and > swabbed with Hylomar has been serving well too...). Awesome, I'm still a little green to this. I'd of never thought of the paper bag deal. We all should send our "cool fixes" into "Web-Master Jason" for posting in the newsletter or tech section. I'm sure the club has a ton of these fixes and they be entertaining and educational to read. So far we have the: Dave Gomes: Paper Bag / Hylomar Flange Seal Fix Keith Shukait: Paper Clip / Ball Point Pen Shifter Clip Fix Paper Clip Brake Switch Jumper Fix Everyone else chime in... Keith & Pam Sukait Northern California Rover Club 1997 Land Rover Discovery XD "YLLWJKT" 1969 Land Rover Series IIA ExMoD 109 Regular "Millie" 1967 Land Rover Series IIA NADA 6 Cylinder Dormobile "Indiana" From bens Tue Aug 6 12:33:43 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g76GXhO30231 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 12:33:43 -0400 Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 12:33:43 -0400 Message-Id: <200208061633.g76GXhe30227@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Hannaford, Morgan" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: onboard welders Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I know some LROs have onboard welders mounted (e.g. Spot). Has anyone tried the READYWELDER mobile MIG unit? Priemier Power sells them as a MIG option for their onboard welder. READYWELDER claims that deep cycle batteries can be linked in series to weld up to 3/4" steel or aluminum. I realize batteries can be used to stick weld, but I always assumed it was hard on the batteries. I am looking for a "hobby" welder...I realize a mobile unit is a compromise vs. a shop welder (like a Miller 135 or 175) but the portability and smaller size make the mobile my top choice right now. My immediate project is to weld aluminum 1" square tubing into a frame (like to mount a radio overhead). I tried the aluminum brazing rod with a oxy-acetylene torch...no luck getting a good weld. I'll try tinning the pieces better tonight. Anyone have experience with this dura-fix or THX-2000 rod? -Mo From bens Tue Aug 6 12:57:16 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g76GvGw30479 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 12:57:16 -0400 Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 12:57:15 -0400 Message-Id: <200208061657.g76GvFD30473@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Shannon Holland To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: New Radiator / Fan for the 110 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Jon, Sounds like you are doing quite the job here! How did you end up setting the Flex-A-Lite thermostat? I like the idea of an adjustable one and so was thinking about switching over to it. This is the one that goes in the upper radiator hose? Once it's all together does it look to be leak-free? Shannon On Tuesday, August 6, 2002, at 06:12 AM, Turner, Jon [LFS] wrote: > > [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] > [ text/html; ] > [ 76 lines filtered. ] > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not > understand > this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. > > charset="iso-8859-1" [ 74 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Tue Aug 6 13:00:52 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g76H0qt30611 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 13:00:52 -0400 Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 13:00:51 -0400 Message-Id: <200208061700.g76H0pS30607@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Turner, Jon [LFS]" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: re: where's harbor freight Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 66 lines filtered. ] This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. charset="iso-8859-1" The closest Harbor Freight for me is the one in Newark, 39151 CEDAR BLVD. NEWARK, CA 94560 - off I-880 behind New Park Mall. There may be others as well. From bens Tue Aug 6 13:06:25 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g76H6PK30705 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 13:06:25 -0400 Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 13:06:24 -0400 Message-Id: <200208061706.g76H6OQ30701@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Turner, Jon [LFS]" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: New Radiator / Fan for the 110 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 109 lines filtered. ] This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. charset="iso-8859-1" Shannon - I haven't done the electrics yet, but you get a control box with the thermostat sensor that inserts into the upper radiator hose. No problems yet. The control box has a dial that you can use to set the temperature that the fans turn on at. I am going to use a 30A circuit breaker instead of a fuse, as recommended on d-90.com From bens Tue Aug 6 13:36:12 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g76HaCf30898 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 13:36:12 -0400 Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 13:36:12 -0400 Message-Id: <200208061736.g76HaC230894@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Franklin H. Yap" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: New Radiator / Fan for the 110 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Thanks. Nieto, Armando S., Jr. wrote: > > >I was just there yesterday. Newark, off of Cedar Blvd. Check harborfreight.com for exact address. > >Armando > > From bens Tue Aug 6 13:49:09 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g76Hn9Q31007 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 13:49:09 -0400 Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 13:49:08 -0400 Message-Id: <200208061749.g76Hn8D31003@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: New Radiator / Fan for the 110 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- "Turner, Jon [LFS]" wrote: > Shannon - > I haven't done the electrics yet, but you get a control > box with the > thermostat sensor that inserts into the upper radiator > hose. No problems > yet. The control box has a dial that you can use to set > the temperature > that the fans turn on at. I am going to use a 30A > circuit breaker instead > of a fuse, as recommended on d-90.com Jon, I'm curious...does yours actually have a dial? ;-) On Elgie i am running a similar thermostaticly controlled switch, but it's an old one I have had for years, so don't recall if it ever had a dial. there is a slot in the shaft that I use a coin to turn! ;-) Regarding the tube coming out of the top rad hose from the thermister(is that the right name?).....I just gooped up some blue RTV and it's fine. I think when new, it comes with a little cotton/tar divot you skwish around the tube, right Jon? or do they now come with a rubber divot or sealant? I know this is bad, but I have my fan wired w/o a fuse right now... ;-0 For a fan, I am running an alfa romeo fan after having many many of the aftermarket fans burn up on me.... I hated to do it, but it was a rush emergency, so the fan is zip-tied through the radiator! ;-0 Works fine that way..... being a lazy bugger, I have yet to take it all apart and re-design things...as it works.. Paul __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From bens Tue Aug 6 14:20:26 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g76IKQi31358 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 14:20:26 -0400 Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 14:20:25 -0400 Message-Id: <200208061820.g76IKPE31354@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Clayton Kirkwood" To: Subject: RE: what gasket/sealant to use on WP?? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 39 lines filtered. ] I've been using a sheet of paper gasket material. I went to NAPA and bought a big sheet for a small amount of money. I just goop it up with sealant. C From bens Tue Aug 6 15:17:05 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g76JH5r31808 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 15:17:05 -0400 Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 15:17:05 -0400 Message-Id: <200208061917.g76JH5831804@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "charles chuan-chen phu" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Desert Trip Report Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi all, Sorry being no responses on Desert trip reports. I¡¦ve been nailed by the extremely incredible schedule of my project since I got back from the Desert Trip. Now I can sit down and read emails. First of all, I would like to thank Jason and Pedra for their great planning and preparation to make the trip happen. Thank you for all the pre-run and reports, fuel can arrangement, all the on site communications and helps on me and everyone, and all the great giveaways. I could¡¦ve slept in the dead-flat Black Rock Desert without your helps! Also, thanks to Daniel, Jon, Emily, Eric, KC and Chris and nice to talk with you guys before and during the trip. Thanks for Daniel¡¦s fuel cans and water cans, I was so impressed by his freshly and beautifully rebuilt SeriesIIA. Hopefully see it with Dan in a near future event! I apologize for all the inconvenience created by my ¡§two hour late¡¨, which brought you all an entire day inconvenience. The story began with my killing project. Around Friday 3:00 am, 07/26, I finally managed to finish the my project¡¦s deadline so I could drive home from SF and do all the packing and everything I needed to do including GPS+laptop set-up and fastening. I left my place at Foster City around 6:15 am waited until around 8:00 while people probably get up. So I tried to phone Chris and got to talk to him on the phone while I just passed Sacramento. Having known they would go ahead depart without me so I gotta add some more speed to catch up with people as early as I can. As stupid as I, I realized I probably had to get a day use permit for Pyramid Lake Indian Preservation when I reached the Y intersection near Needle Rocks, where is miles from the Ranger Station at Sutcliffe. So I drove back to get the permit fueled up and full-speeded north. Again, I managed to drive as fast as 75 - upper 80 mph on the gravel roads before Needle Rock¡¦s Y point. What surprised me was I felt I was driving Rally ¡¥cause my rear wheels are really laterally skipping while cornering. After the trip I realized I would not do so ever ¡¥cause that was really dangerous. When I approached the south bay of the Smoke Creek Desert I suddenly heard somebody talking on CB channel 7, so I tried to call but no clear response. Now I had to find a shortest but closest way as that the other 9 Rovers had driven. Between Terraced Hills and Sand Pass I tried a couple trails but they all ended up either dead-end or like haven¡¦t been driven for months or even years. Finally I figured out the relation between the railroad and the trail I was looking for. Then I followed a clear trail between Smoke Creek Desert and Fox Range that seems to me to be just recently driven by telling the difference of sand color and texture (particle direction) between the wheel tracks and the rest on sides of trail, which was an interesting experience. Under a quite relatively high speed on the trail, due to many stream wash-outs crossing along the entire trail, I heavily touched down and hit on my lower part of front bumper several times. Fortunately I didn¡¦t hit too hard so I could keep on going :p Along the trail, I made a couple of photos stops and really enjoyed the manless-ness there. I spotted a really long train passing by and I was wondering if the driver also spotted me. Probably not. I was way too invisible being in the bushes and far away from the train. Finally when I was approaching the town of Gerlach, I heard my CB was ushering something like ¡§highway 43¡K highway 447¡K keep right¡K. Turn right¡K.¡¨ while I could visually see Gerlach from 2-3 miles away. I sort of got lost in the town of Gerlach (can you imagine? In such a tiny town!) and headed south for about 15 miles on highway 447 trying to find an exit into the Black Rock Desert but I failed. So I headed north back to Gerlach and saw a 50-something guy working on his truck near the gas station. After a brief talk with him for direction then I think he started to recognize my Rover. I asked him if there was a group of people driving Land Rovers passing by earlier, he answered, which really surprised me, that a group of Rover folks just left he vision like, 20 minutes ago. I waved him good-buy and hit my throttle fully heading to the southwest corner of Black Rock Desert and, looked for an entrance into the white dried lake. Then I found an turn-off along the highway 43 (right?) that most looks like a right one and again, with a speed of 80-95 mph, heading northeast according to my GPS¡¦s reading that I thought might be a right direction. It proved that I was some 5-10 degree too far south away from what I was supposed to go. Now I was in trouble ¡¥cause I have been so happily driving at high speed for quite a while. That means it would be almost impossible to find the way that the other Rover folks have gone/are going without any navigation or communication. Tried to call CB for response couple times but no one answered. After crossing the Desert north-and-south for three times, I thought I was near where I thought there might be some trails thru the east edge of Black Rock Range but no trails but full of bush in front of me. I was almost about to give up and start to find a good spot for staying over night, then I decided to call on CB for the last time. Surprisingly, Jason¡¦s voice came out of my CB¡¦s speaker. However, the radio was extremely unclear and it caused me taking a while to locate where I am related to where the other people were and the trail was as Jason described in his report. Finally, thanks to Jason¡¦s direction and my GPS, I found the way that was leading me to the base camp, and along the trail Eric and KC were kindly waiting for me at the 2nd wire gate. People were peacefully setting up for their tents and dinner stuff and Jason was trying to set up the center campfire piece while I arrived. What a wonderful camp with beautiful surroundings and smiling great people up there after one entire day of my lonely, dangerous but interesting and amazing adventure! The two following days, as people described, were incredibly fun with spectacular landscape, 4-wheeling, and great leadership. The only sad thing to me was my girlfriend Orlando didn¡¦t make it with us because she had to so TV news anchoring on Friday night. The whole trip was really great and she already missed it when I got back to Bay Area Sunday night. During this trip I tried to get my rear seats removed so I could sleep in my car, originally for Orlando ¡¥cause she hates to be frozen. It ended up with I took the advantage of it and it turned out pretty warn overnights! But I think it might be too pain in the ass to get seats removed and get them back for each outing in the future. Hopefully I can find ¡§something longer¡¨ soon so I don¡¦t have to do it each time Something I would like to mention for the trip is my GPS and laptop set-up wasn¡¦t really successful. With my Garmin GPS hooked up with laptop, my Delorme didn¡¦t correctly get any data from my GPS unit. This is one thing I¡¦d probably need to get resolved before next outing. Good to hear Jason had his D110 radiator issue fixed. Hopefully great events coming soon. I haven¡¦t yet got my photos developed but I¡¦ll soon. I¡¦ll post them when they get ready. Happy rovering, Charles Phu 99 DII _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From bens Tue Aug 6 16:43:56 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g76KhuW32521 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 16:43:56 -0400 Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 16:43:56 -0400 Message-Id: <200208062043.g76Khu732517@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: haha, funny funny - new caption for LR trip pic Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In case you missed this one... hehe. http://www.norcalrover.org/pastevents/BR2002/pages/IMG_0281.htm Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 From bens Tue Aug 6 17:44:51 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g76LipJ00540 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 17:44:51 -0400 Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 17:44:51 -0400 Message-Id: <200208062144.g76Lipk00536@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Fil F." To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Rover Connection Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org hi all, i wanted to purchase some rover accessories from this company, anybody on the list have any experience with them ? good or bad... tia, fil http://www.roverconnection.com/ _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From bens Tue Aug 6 17:59:29 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g76LxT300652 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 17:59:29 -0400 Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 17:59:28 -0400 Message-Id: <200208062159.g76LxS600648@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Turner, Jon [LFS]" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Rover Connection Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 100 lines filtered. ] This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. charset="iso-8859-1" I've ordered from them before, never any problems. Jon From bens Tue Aug 6 18:12:51 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g76MCpc00780 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 18:12:51 -0400 Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 18:12:50 -0400 Message-Id: <200208062212.g76MCo900776@minbar.fourfold.org> From: eric.fournier@attbi.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Rover Connection Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I like 'em. Ordered several times. Prices are great, there's no tax and UPS ground gets it to the Bay Area in a couple days. Eric Fournier From bens Tue Aug 6 18:41:11 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g76MfBB01023 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 18:41:11 -0400 Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 18:41:11 -0400 Message-Id: <200208062241.g76MfB801019@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Blair Peterson" To: "Mendo (E-mail)" Subject: Holding value? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org There was a thread a while back about Rovers holding their value. Adjacent to I-80 in Colfax Saturday I saw an '89 HMMV for sale for $28k(!). Now asking isn't the same as selling, but still. And this thing is the real deal-- an '89, looks like it singlehandedly won Desert Storm. Makes the 109 look like a plushy. Other siting of note was inside the Granite Chief store in Truckee-- there is a nice (cosmetically) IIA 88 RHD pickup. Store clerk says it was not running, but everything was there and pretty clean. Integral to their outdoor gear display at the moment. Cheers. From bens Tue Aug 6 19:01:38 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g76N1co01109 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 19:01:38 -0400 Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 19:01:37 -0400 Message-Id: <200208062301.g76N1bT01105@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "charles chuan-chen phu" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Rover Connection Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Ordered several times. Packages get to bay area very rapidly. I like them, too. Charles Phu >From: eric.fournier@attbi.com >Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Subject: Re: Rover Connection Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 18:12:50 -0400 > >I like 'em. Ordered several times. Prices are great, >there's no tax and UPS ground gets it to the Bay Area in >a couple days. > [ 1 additional quoted lines pruned. ] _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From bens Tue Aug 6 20:39:21 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g770dLe01568 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 20:39:21 -0400 Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 20:39:21 -0400 Message-Id: <200208070039.g770dLM01564@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Christopher Dow To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Holding value? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org There was a guy up in the Tahoe area who drove a GWagen who had a bunch of RHD IIs and IIAs for sale at the time I bought R. I wonder if it was his? C Blair Peterson wrote: >8< >Other siting of note was inside the Granite Chief store in Truckee-- there is a nice (cosmetically) IIA 88 RHD pickup. Store clerk says it was not running, but everything was there and pretty clean. Integral to their outdoor gear display at the moment. > >Cheers. > > From bens Wed Aug 7 00:19:10 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g774JAh03825 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 00:19:10 -0400 Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 00:19:09 -0400 Message-Id: <200208070419.g774J9M03821@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: " mendo rec list" Subject: Rescue a Land Rover Fire Truck in Malaysia Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Anyone want a Series II fire engine for a rescue project? ---------------- Begin Forwarded Message ---------------- Date: 08/06 7:12 PM Received: 08/06 9:18 PM From: Sia Hok Kiang, hksia@pd.jaring.my To: TeriAnn Wakeman, twakeman@cruzers.com Dear Mr Wakeman Thank you for considering posting "Lembing" my series 1 fire truck on your web page. Should you ever pass by this way (Malaysia/Singapore), please feel free to visit us at Land Rover Owners Club in Malaysia. I noticed 7 units of retired Series 2 fire engine (with PTO pump upfront) in a junkyard recently, I am not in position to restore any. If there is any interest on your side I'll be glad to be of assistance. It's sad to see grand old Landies die. TeriAnn Wakeman If you send me direct mail, please Santa Cruz, California start the subject line with TW - twakeman@cruzers.com I will be sure to read the message http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 From bens Wed Aug 7 02:27:27 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g776RRv04502 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 02:27:27 -0400 Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 02:27:26 -0400 Message-Id: <200208070627.g776RQd04498@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Rescue a Land Rover Fire Truck in Malaysia Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- TeriAnn Wakeman wrote: > > Anyone want a Series II fire engine for a rescue project? want? Yes! need? well I can't even think of something like this....but have been doing some thought about a rangie fire truck.....and convert to a pick-me-up...ala that article in one of the mags recently...nah! ;-) Paul > Dear Mr Wakeman > > Thank you for considering posting "Lembing" my series 1 > fire truck on your > web page. > > Should you ever pass by this way (Malaysia/Singapore), > please feel free to > visit us at Land Rover Owners Club in Malaysia. [ 9 additional quoted lines pruned. ] __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From bens Wed Aug 7 03:24:55 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g777Otn04762 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 03:24:55 -0400 Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 03:24:55 -0400 Message-Id: <200208070724.g777Ot104758@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Christopher H. Dow" To: mendo_recce Subject: NCRC Trip Announcement Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org The Niagara Rim Trail event will be held 17-18 August, 2002. From the club web page (edited): Intermediate off-roading in the beautiful Stanislaus National Forest. We'll establish a base camp Friday evening in a camper-friendly area where we can return Saturday night. Suitable for all vehicles. We'll see a few rocks, but body damage is highly unlikely. Optional gonzo section on Sunday. Contact Christopher Dow for more information. When: Aug 17-18 Where: Stanislaus National Forest (See the event listing on www.norcalrover.org for detailed directions, but since I just asked Jason to post them, they may not be immediately available). Contact: Christopher Dow, dow@thelen.org We'll leave camp at the usual Lazy Bugger(tm)/NCRC time of 10:00. Please be ready to sign the waiver and be prepared for the safety inspection. I'll also bring spotting instructions and the convoy driving guidelines for everyone to review. I'm about to leave on vacation until Sunday night, so won't be able to respond to inquiries until after I get home. C From bens Wed Aug 7 03:26:01 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g777Q1w04797 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 03:26:01 -0400 Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 03:26:01 -0400 Message-Id: <200208070726.g777Q1004793@minbar.fourfold.org> From: aaron To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Black Rock Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Jason, Have you written up a route description for your Nev. trip? Looks like it was a good one. Aaron Mount From bens Wed Aug 7 04:23:09 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g778N9S05113 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 04:23:09 -0400 Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 04:23:08 -0400 Message-Id: <200208070823.g778N8005109@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Looking for these ads/brochures Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I'm looking for originals or high quality copies of the following two pieces of NAS D110 info. If you have one you'd be interested in selling or trading, or in making copies of, please let me know! http://www.feldgrau.com/D110Par.jpg http://www.feldgrau.com/lrd110-brochure.jpg Thanks, Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 From bens Wed Aug 7 04:31:22 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g778VMB05160 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 04:31:22 -0400 Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 04:31:21 -0400 Message-Id: <200208070831.g778VLM05156@minbar.fourfold.org> From: joe mulqueen To: mendo Subject: re. Nevada Desert photos Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I remember pic #0284. I was PO'd because Jon Turner and his hipo 110 beat me to the pump! JoeMulqueen '67 SIIA 109 SW Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 16:57:32 -0400 From: Jason Pipes Subject: Nevada Desert photos!!!! Here are the best of the photos we took on the Nevada Desert trip..... http://www.norcalrover.org/pastevents/BR2002/index.htm __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com From bens Wed Aug 7 08:47:39 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g77CldQ06192 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 08:47:39 -0400 Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 08:47:39 -0400 Message-Id: <200208071247.g77Cld206188@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Turner, Jon [LFS]" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: pic #0284 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 95 lines filtered. ] This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. charset="iso-8859-1" Sorry Joe - next time I'll give way! I remember that I wasn't the first one there - somebody beat me out as well. Jon From bens Wed Aug 7 12:33:55 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g77GXtZ08264 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 12:33:55 -0400 Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 12:33:55 -0400 Message-Id: <200208071633.g77GXtN08260@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Nieto, Armando S., Jr." To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: pic #0284 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 34 lines filtered. ] That (being first to fuel) is one of the advantages of having the expedition leaders in your car... :^)! Armando From bens Wed Aug 7 12:45:41 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g77Gjfm08441 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 12:45:41 -0400 Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 12:45:41 -0400 Message-Id: <200208071645.g77Gjf108437@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Turner, Jon [LFS]" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: low octane fuel Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; ] [ 26 lines filtered. ] This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. charset="iso-8859-1" Thinking about that low-octane fuel stop in Gerlach - does anyone have a favorite octane-booster, or one to be avoided? Thanks, Jon From bens Wed Aug 7 12:54:04 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g77Gs4008498 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 12:54:04 -0400 Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 12:54:04 -0400 Message-Id: <200208071654.g77Gs4U08494@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Turner, Jon [LFS]" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: Nevada NCRC trip GPS track? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; ] [ 25 lines filtered. ] This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. charset="iso-8859-1" Did anyone save GPS tracks from the NCRC Nevada Desert trip? I'd be interested in uploading it onto my topo/map software to see the route that we took. Thanks, Jon From bens Wed Aug 7 13:19:02 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g77HJ2408678 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 13:19:02 -0400 Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 13:19:02 -0400 Message-Id: <200208071719.g77HJ2G08674@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Casey McMullen To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Nevada NCRC trip GPS track? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 23 lines filtered. ] I think I have most of the track we took. If I can find my data cable I'll upload it to you. -Casey From bens Wed Aug 7 14:31:31 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g77IVVH09188 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 14:31:31 -0400 Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 14:31:30 -0400 Message-Id: <200208071831.g77IVUt09184@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Nevada NCRC trip GPS track? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org What format would be most useful for those that want this info? I can export in raw text form, or a form that is more useful for specific GPS models. I will do the raw version first and can dom others if people need them as well. Here is the raw version. 061 is our start in Sutcliffe, and 616 is right before we returned to Gerlach, so the route doesn't cover the evd paved route to Empire, Reno, and home, but that should be a moot point. TOPO! GPS Data Format Deg NAD83 ElevFeet UTC-Time 061,39.95319,-119.60646,3928,07/26/2002,17:25:53, 062,39.96175,-119.61310,3930,07/26/2002,17:27:54, 063,39.97131,-119.61962,3883,07/26/2002,17:28:53, 064,39.98092,-119.62064,3889,07/26/2002,17:29:53, 065,39.99057,-119.62689,3904,07/26/2002,17:30:54, 066,40.00238,-119.62977,3893,07/26/2002,17:31:54, 067,40.01412,-119.63034,3986,07/26/2002,17:32:54, 068,40.02256,-119.63925,3957,07/26/2002,17:33:54, 069,40.03015,-119.65095,3975,07/26/2002,17:34:54, 070,40.03646,-119.66211,3961,07/26/2002,17:35:54, 071,40.04405,-119.67446,3874,07/26/2002,17:36:54, 072,40.05073,-119.68041,3849,07/26/2002,17:37:54, 073,40.05755,-119.68490,3877,07/26/2002,17:38:54, 074,40.06394,-119.68931,3921,07/26/2002,17:39:54, 075,40.06786,-119.69589,3902,07/26/2002,17:40:54, 076,40.07399,-119.70093,3884,07/26/2002,17:41:54, 077,40.08146,-119.69761,3912,07/26/2002,17:42:54, 078,40.08885,-119.69436,3892,07/26/2002,17:43:54, 079,40.09617,-119.69897,3867,07/26/2002,17:44:54, 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600,40.91375,-119.34806,4131,07/28/2002,20:33:09, 601,40.89923,-119.34539,4097,07/28/2002,20:34:08, 602,40.88617,-119.34274,4066,07/28/2002,20:35:08, 603,40.87106,-119.34293,4022,07/28/2002,20:36:08, 604,40.85418,-119.34229,4020,07/28/2002,20:37:08, 605,40.83760,-119.33941,4006,07/28/2002,20:38:08, 606,40.82040,-119.34001,3992,07/28/2002,20:39:08, 607,40.80569,-119.33608,4000,07/28/2002,20:40:08, 608,40.80037,-119.31999,3976,07/28/2002,20:41:08, 609,40.79953,-119.29860,3967,07/28/2002,20:42:08, 610,40.79364,-119.28008,4087,07/28/2002,20:43:08, 611,40.78126,-119.26951,3985,07/28/2002,20:44:08, 612,40.76900,-119.26214,3940,07/28/2002,20:45:08, 613,40.75786,-119.26649,3983,07/28/2002,20:46:08, 614,40.75284,-119.28190,3933,07/28/2002,20:47:08, 615,40.73871,-119.29217,4005,07/28/2002,20:48:11, 616,40.72866,-119.30762,3966,07/28/2002,20:49:08, Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 From bens Wed Aug 7 14:59:20 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g77IxK909450 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 14:59:20 -0400 Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 14:59:20 -0400 Message-Id: <200208071859.g77IxKw09446@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Chris Lam To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Rover mechanics in LA area Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org My name is Chris. I have a 96 DISCO. I wonder if anyone can suggest the honest rover mechanics in LA area? My disco 's "Check Engine" light is on last week. I took it to Newport Beach Rover to check up yesterday. Since my extend warrant is going to expire next year, I think I should not need to pay much and should be coverd by the extend warrant. But here is what Newport rover suggestion! First, my car only have 35K miles. Initially, I need to pay $95 dollars for estimation. After 3 hours "investigation", the service advisor find out that my engine has misfire and ask my permission to tear down the cylinder in order to find out what exactly going on but I may to pay additional $570 and my extend warrant may not cover if they could not find any mechanic problem that the extend warrant approved. I decided to say no. When I pick up the car, newport rover suggest me to do the valve cap job for $2500. and change some gasket and it may cost $3000. If I do all the jobs, it would be almost $7000. However, my engine start and run smooth. Before I left, I asked them how much to buy a new engine and put it in. It is only cost $8000 for engine & $2000 for labor. Is it true? Now, the engine check light is off and I think the dealer reset it. But I still want to know if my car has real problem? I will be appreciate if a honest mechanic in LA area can be named? Thanks Chris. From bens Wed Aug 7 15:19:11 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g77JJBU09610 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 15:19:11 -0400 Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 15:19:11 -0400 Message-Id: <200208071919.g77JJB709606@minbar.fourfold.org> From: EUROMOG@aol.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Rover mechanics in LA area Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hello Chris, I would run as fast as you could from that dealer. They are playing the same game as some of the dealers do up here in the SF Bay area. They seem to think they can always translate a misfire into a valve job. I had a Range Rover customer who went through the same scenario. They had the dealer put it back together at my suggestion and it ran fine. The dealer did get 4 hours diagnostic time out them though. For the most difficult misfires it should not take more than two hours and usually less than one. In most cases I find that bad spark plug wires are the cause of a misfire in a Disco. At your mileage I would be sure that is has proper and new spark plugs. While the plugs are out do a compression test. Also make sure the fuel and air filters are fresh. Your Disco has the OBDII diagnostics so any shop that has an OBDII scanner can access the fault codes. Good luck! John Wessels European Motorsport Livermore, CA 94551 http://www.euromog.com From bens Wed Aug 7 15:27:23 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g77JRN609677 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 15:27:23 -0400 Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 15:27:22 -0400 Message-Id: <200208071927.g77JRMq09673@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Nevada NCRC trip GPS track? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Me too me too! Of course, I guess Jason really "owns the rights" since he did all the work. If he doesn't mind, I'd like to "put it in the bank" for the day when I might have time to get out there. -Dave G. From bens Wed Aug 7 15:32:46 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g77JWk009741 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 15:32:46 -0400 Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 15:32:46 -0400 Message-Id: <200208071932.g77JWkF09737@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Rover mechanics in LA area Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Chris, British Car Service, Marina Del Rey. 310-306-6109 - Steve is the proprietor, and he's about as honest as you can get. (he's also less expensive as all the others) Usually either he or his wife answers the phone...a mechanic will if they're busy/out of the shop. He also operates as the "Rover Recycler" that you see in Hemmings, and is a good source for used parts. He doesn't really work much on Series vehicles, though he has recently completed restoring a Series I (he leaves those to Peter over on Lincoln), but concentrates on Discos, Defenders, and Rangies, and has slowly been getting out of older stuff. As for directions: they're "behind" Bartels Harley-Davidson, on one of the side streets: I forget which one, but you head west on Washington past Lincoln, and hang a left on the third street, go all the way down to the end, hang another left, and into the first driveway on the left. Expect parking to be a problem when you get there (he's usually VERY busy). Charles ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Wed Aug 7 15:38:55 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g77Jcto09845 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 15:38:55 -0400 Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 15:38:55 -0400 Message-Id: <200208071938.g77JctX09841@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Nevada NCRC trip GPS track? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org David, Did you get the info I posted shortly ago? Was that useful at all? What GPS do you have such that I can send you the correct version of the exported info if it wasn't. Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 From bens Wed Aug 7 15:48:36 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g77JmaO09906 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 15:48:36 -0400 Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 15:48:36 -0400 Message-Id: <200208071948.g77Jmad09902@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Cc: "'johnlee@expeditionexchange.com'" Subject: RE: Rover mechanics in LA area Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 41 lines filtered. ] I'm sorry, Chris, I don't know of a mechanic in the LA area (I live in Colorado), but your note pissed me off so much I had to chime in. The people who gave you those recommendations to do so much work for a simple misfire are at best incompetent, and at worst, thieves. I hope Charles Irvin will see your note. He's in Compton (sometimes) and certainly knows good mechanics in LA. He has had work done to his Range Rover by a fella who was extremely competent and reliable, but I can't remember his name. Sit tight. Aid will come. And in the mean time, don't worry, you won't be doing any damage to the truck by driving with a light misfire. We'll find you a place to go in the next few days (or minutes!) If you need someone right away, send a note to my friend John Lee (johnlee@expeditionexchange.com) and I'm sure he can make a recommendation. He was living in Irvine, last time I checked. -Dave G. From bens Wed Aug 7 16:10:39 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g77KAda10082 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 16:10:39 -0400 Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 16:10:39 -0400 Message-Id: <200208072010.g77KAdd10078@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "charles chuan-chen phu" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Nevada NCRC trip GPS track? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I think I've got the track for the entire trip, too. Ooops, Mine may have something much more than what you guys've got there! The first day.... Charles P. _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From bens Wed Aug 7 16:11:25 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g77KBPV10097 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 16:11:25 -0400 Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 16:11:24 -0400 Message-Id: <200208072011.g77KBOE10093@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Nevada NCRC trip GPS track? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I think I can use that text file, but I'm pretty new to this GPS route-plotting game. It will be a good exercise for me to try and figure out how to use data in that format. I'm using the "Mapsource" software from Garmin to talk to a StreetPilot3, if that helps you help me. :^) Thanks for taking the time. -Dave G. From bens Wed Aug 7 16:56:49 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g77KunR10436 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 16:56:49 -0400 Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 16:56:48 -0400 Message-Id: <200208072056.g77KumJ10432@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Turner, Jon [LFS]" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Nevada NCRC trip GPS track? <- Mapsource format? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; ] [ 22 lines filtered. ] This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. charset="iso-8859-1" Jason, Dave - I'm using Mapsource as well. If you find how to format for it can you let me know? Thanks, Jon From bens Wed Aug 7 19:18:20 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g77NIKw11302 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 19:18:20 -0400 Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 19:18:19 -0400 Message-Id: <200208072318.g77NIJj11298@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Chris Mangrum To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Rover mechanics in LA area Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org ROVER ACCESSORIES 3535 Lomita Blvd., Bldg. A Torrance · California, 90505 (310) 257-0016 · FAX (310) 257-0028 The owner is Charles D'Andrade and the mechanic's name is David. They are both really good guys from my experience and David really knows his stuff. Even has an English accent to fit the role. www.roveraccessories.com Chris -----Original Message----- From: Chris Lam [mailto:chris.lam@resonext.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 11:59 AM To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Rover mechanics in LA area My name is Chris. I have a 96 DISCO. I wonder if anyone can suggest the honest rover mechanics in LA area? My disco 's "Check Engine" light is on last week. I took it to Newport Beach Rover to check up yesterday. Since my extend warrant is going to expire next year, I think I should not need to pay much and should be coverd by the extend warrant. But here is what Newport rover suggestion! First, my car only have 35K miles. Initially, I need to pay $95 dollars for estimation. After 3 hours "investigation", the service advisor find out that my engine has misfire and ask my permission to tear down the cylinder in order to find out what exactly going on but I may to pay additional $570 and my extend warrant may not cover if they could not find any mechanic problem that the extend warrant approved. I decided to say no. When I pick up the car, newport rover suggest me to do the valve cap job for $2500. and change some gasket and it may cost $3000. If I do all the jobs, it would be almost $7000. However, my engine start and run smooth. Before I left, I asked them how much to buy a new engine and put it in. It is only cost $8000 for engine & $2000 for labor. Is it true? Now, the engine check light is off and I think the dealer reset it. But I still want to know if my car has real problem? I will be appreciate if a honest mechanic in LA area can be named? Thanks Chris. From bens Wed Aug 7 19:21:32 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g77NLWt11345 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 19:21:32 -0400 Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 19:21:32 -0400 Message-Id: <200208072321.g77NLWB11341@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: "low cost" NAS 110 on ebay, no reserve! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org NAS 110 on ebay, NO RESERVE BID, starting at 27k: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/ebayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1849681863&r= 0&t=0 jpipes From bens Wed Aug 7 19:48:44 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g77NmiH11574 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 19:48:44 -0400 Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 19:48:44 -0400 Message-Id: <200208072348.g77Nmip11570@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Turner, Jon [LFS]" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: "low cost" NAS 110 on ebay, no reserve! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; ] [ 16 lines filtered. ] This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. charset="iso-8859-1" That one has been up at least once before - I remember the black strip! From bens Wed Aug 7 19:51:17 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g77NpHU11607 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 19:51:17 -0400 Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 19:51:17 -0400 Message-Id: <200208072351.g77NpHp11603@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Turner, Jon [LFS]" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: "low cost" NAS 110 on ebay, no reserve! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; ] [ 26 lines filtered. ] This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. charset="iso-8859-1" Last time it was for sale the bidding reached $34,200 -- http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1842539085 From bens Wed Aug 7 20:04:25 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7804PN11664 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 20:04:25 -0400 Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 20:04:25 -0400 Message-Id: <200208080004.g7804P811660@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: "low cost" NAS 110 on ebay, no reserve! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Interesting too, as in that auction there was a reserve bid on it. I'd be willing to bet this one will sell for just about the old amount or maybe more. With no reserve placed on the sale bidders are more likely to bid strongly. btw, what the heck IS that black strip anyway?? I assume either some sort of anti-bang/ding bar or a cosmetic strip. jpipes From bens Wed Aug 7 21:50:34 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g781oYM12133 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 21:50:34 -0400 Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 21:50:34 -0400 Message-Id: <200208080150.g781oYQ12129@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Keith Shukait To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Door Ding Rant Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org All Two weeks after buying the XD someone dinged and chipped the paint on both back passenger doors. In just the last week alone I've been dinged twice in the driver's door. The one's in the drivers door are too close to the door edge to fix with out drilling a hole to get at them. I went to Dent pro yesterday and had the one's in the back passenger doors removed. You can see them still as it's harder to fix aluminum. Today I was dinged again in the drivers door! I've done everything I can as far as parking goes, looking for end spots and hugging the curb, parking in the back forty, staying away from cars with big doors and not parking next to other 4x4s. When you take all these parking measures and still get dinged it's really frustrating. Is it time for foam barriers? Maybe I can store 50 trillion watts of power in the outer body that will melt their car door off it it touches mine! I'd take two spots but then I'd get keyed or a ticket! I guess expecting other people to care about your stuff is silly if they don't care about their own. ARRRRRRGGGGGG!, Keith Shukait 1997 Land Rover Discovery XD "YLLWJKT" From bens Wed Aug 7 22:15:58 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g782FwD12243 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 22:15:58 -0400 Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 22:15:58 -0400 Message-Id: <200208080215.g782Fwm12239@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Bruce R. Bonar" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Door Ding Rant Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Two solutions. 1. Body Armor. Stella, D90 SW, has side steps that protect the doors and sills and are always good for collateral damage to the offending party. 2.Remember you're driving a Land Rover. It's SUPPOSED to have dents. They're called "character". This is the protection method I use with Spot, 94 D90 with LOTS of character. Bruce Bonar Keith Shukait wrote: > Two weeks after buying the XD someone dinged and chipped the paint on > both back passenger doors. In just the last week alone I've been dinged > twice in the driver's door. > > ARRRRRRGGGGGG!, From bens Thu Aug 8 00:51:09 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g784p9B14243 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 00:51:09 -0400 Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 00:51:09 -0400 Message-Id: <200208080451.g784p9r14239@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Mitchell, Ben" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Door Ding Rant Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 30 lines filtered. ] Just the other day one of my favorite dents got dented. Initially it was somewhat frustrating as the whole aesthetic was changed for the worse, but a few days later I was working on the engine and put a big scratch in the paint right next to the modified dent when my belt buckle grazed the fender. I'm quite happy with the new look. Has a Jackson Pollock quality to it that I find soothing. I'm looking for some synthetic grease in just the right color that I can streak across it to complete the effect. It's very hard to find grease in Dartmouth green though... -Ben '94 D90 (with not one remaining "character free" panel) From bens Thu Aug 8 01:32:19 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g785WJd14423 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 01:32:19 -0400 Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 01:32:19 -0400 Message-Id: <200208080532.g785WJv14419@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: sighting in Santa Rosa.. Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I wa driving north on 101 through Santa Rosa...sorta zoning out this afternoon around four...and woke to a honk from the south-bound direction by college ave...where I glimpsed a green d90 sw....Gerry Mugle? Was that you? As I pulled off on Airport blvd, I passed a white d-90 and got a nod of recognition and a wave from the guy too.... Funny all teh people in discos I saw today all averted their gaze when next to me.. Should I be embarrased? ;-) I guess they were scared/ashamed by the light brigade next to their pristine mall cruisers.. oh well I haev more fun! ;-) Paul __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From bens Thu Aug 8 01:50:47 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g785olF14519 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 01:50:47 -0400 Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 01:50:47 -0400 Message-Id: <200208080550.g785olL14515@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "charles chuan-chen phu" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: "low cost" NAS 110 on ebay, no reserve! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Yes, it appeared on ebay a couple of weeks ago. and I remember that it used to appear in LRE NAS D110 essay last year May issue, a photo shows it's rock-crawling in Moab. Charles P. >From: Jason Pipes >Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Subject: Re: "low cost" NAS 110 on ebay, no reserve! >Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 20:04:25 -0400 > >Interesting too, as in that auction there was a reserve bid on it. I'd be >willing to bet this one will sell for just about the old amount or maybe >more. With no reserve placed on the sale bidders are more likely to bid [ 7 additional quoted lines pruned. ] _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From bens Thu Aug 8 02:42:55 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g786gtK14748 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 02:42:55 -0400 Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 02:42:55 -0400 Message-Id: <200208080642.g786gtr14744@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "G. Mugele" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: sighting in Santa Rosa.. Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org At 1:32 AM -0400 8/8/02, Paul Archibald wrote: >I wa driving north on 101 through Santa Rosa...sorta zoning >out this afternoon around four...and woke to a honk from >the south-bound direction by college ave...where I glimpsed >a green d90 sw....Gerry Mugle? Was that you? yup, Was I. I kinda thought you slept through the moment so I wasn't gonna mention it. It's kinda hard to miss the subtle Camel Trophy logo on your doors so it wasn't as though you could slip by unnoticed. G. Mugele There are 10 types of people in the world. Those who understand binary and those who don't. From bens Thu Aug 8 03:02:51 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7872pF14846 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 03:02:51 -0400 Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 03:02:51 -0400 Message-Id: <200208080702.g7872p914842@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "G. Mugele" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Door Ding Rant Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org At 9:50 PM -0400 8/7/02, Keith Shukait wrote: > I guess expecting other people to care about >your stuff is silly if they don't care about their own. Of Course. It was damage incurred in the parking lot destruction derby that originally brought me to the Land Rover fold. My '66 Cortina (purchased new) was lovingly protected all it's life but seemed to attract the attention of people bent (pun intended) on re-configuring the body work. Someone even walked all over it! Another time it was used as a ladder to scale a fence. By '69 I had reached my limits and when I wanted to purchase a BMW 2002, I realized that I might really go over the edge and hurt those battering my vehicle. The alternative Land Rover purchase was intended to thwart those mindless buffoons incapable of negotiating the intricate lanes of a car park without damaging stationery objects. Now, although I'm almost as protective of the D90 as I would have been of the BMW, I don't worry about the small stuff. When Lilly's ML320 got its bumper severely scraped in the garage at SFO the other day, I was only mildly annoyed. I think that Land Rovers are their own best protection and an owner need only take it out in the sticks (where it really belongs) and scratch the paint in the natural course of events to get over the unnecessary worry and concern. BTW none of my series Land Rovers EVER got a door ding, the D90 got a mild one within a few months of purchase. G. Mugele There are 10 types of people in the world. Those who understand binary and those who don't. From bens Thu Aug 8 03:05:14 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7875Ek14874 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 03:05:14 -0400 Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 03:05:14 -0400 Message-Id: <200208080705.g7875Ev14870@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Tom Walsh" To: Subject: Meteor night! ( not much LR ) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org This coming Monday night is supposed to be the peak of the perseid meteor shower. In celebration of this we are having a meteor party at our place as we have a great "dark" night view... Additionally will be trying to locate the new space station, as its supposed to be very bright! Barbecued tequila/lime Habanero Chicken and fixins on the house, as well certain beverages ( substitues can be made ).. but leme know if your coming! ( PS: the chicken isn't really that spicy... just lightly flavored ). TomW. spaced out! :) From bens Thu Aug 8 08:52:54 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g78CqsC16347 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 08:52:54 -0400 Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 08:52:54 -0400 Message-Id: <200208081252.g78Cqsu16343@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Turner, Jon [LFS]" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Door Ding Rant Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; ] [ 44 lines filtered. ] This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. charset="iso-8859-1" I remember getting an old car of mine dinged badly while I was actually in the car. I was in my old Chevy Station Wagon, nicknamed 'the great blue whale', so some pretty heavy iron. I was at a convenience store, and had just got back into the car after making my purchase. While getting my purchases arranged, someone pulled in on my right (driving a newer white BMW) and opened their door right into mine with a big "THUNK" followed by that little screech of the door edge cutting through the paint and down into the metal. Sorry to report that I didn't react very gracefully, must have been a bad day for me already or something. I reached over to my passenger-side door, unlatched it, and then kicked the door open as hard as I could into the BMW, in full view of the offending driver. Much more of the 'eye-for-an-eye' school approach than 'live-and-let-live' or 'do-unto-others' I'm afraid, but it did make me feel better. The other driver didn't say a word. Jon Turner '01 RR 4.6 HSE '93 NAS 110 412/500 From bens Thu Aug 8 12:12:44 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g78GCim17775 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 12:12:44 -0400 Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 12:12:44 -0400 Message-Id: <200208081612.g78GCia17771@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: " mendo rec list" Subject: RE: Door Ding Rant Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I would not have acted nearly so gracefully were it me and one of my two cars. Well, at first I would have asked for his insurance information. If he balked at the idea of paying for repairs the TR3 has a heavy lead knock off hammer and the Land Rover does carry a pick axe. Physical activity provides such a nice release for a shot of adrenalin. I want to be the only person putting dents in either of my cars. It was my choice to drive through a dense brush over grown trail within a month of having spent well over $2000 for a Land Rover paint job and bodywork. But I would have been on someone's case for putting a scratch in it when the paint was newish. > someone pulled in on my right (driving a newer white >BMW) and opened their door right into mine with a big "THUNK" followed by >that little screech of the door edge cutting through the paint and down into >the metal. >Sorry to report that I didn't react very gracefully, must have been a bad >day for me already or something. I reached over to my passenger-side door, >unlatched it, and then kicked the door open as hard as I could into the BMW, >in full view of the offending driver. TeriAnn Wakeman If you send me direct mail, please Santa Cruz, California start the subject line with TW - twakeman@cruzers.com I will be sure to read the message http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 From bens Thu Aug 8 12:27:55 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g78GRtV17843 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 12:27:55 -0400 Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 12:27:55 -0400 Message-Id: <200208081627.g78GRtZ17839@minbar.fourfold.org> From: joe mulqueen To: mendo Subject: RE: low octane fuel Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Was your engine pinging? Typically, as the elevation goes up (Gerlach is 3951'), octane req goes down. In the ski towns around Summit County, CO, the 9000' gas stations provide 85 octane as "regular". There should be a web write up on this subject somewhere.... Joe Mulqueen Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 12:45:41 -0400 From: "Turner, Jon [LFS]" Subject: RE: low octane fuel Thinking about that low-octane fuel stop in Gerlach - does anyone have a favorite octane-booster, or one to be avoided? Thanks, Jon __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From bens Thu Aug 8 13:10:18 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g78HAIm18086 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 13:10:18 -0400 Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 13:10:18 -0400 Message-Id: <200208081710.g78HAIu18082@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: low octane fuel Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "...In the ski towns around Summit County..." Actually, pretty much the whole state of CO is 85 octane regular, and lot of UT too. I'm not sure where the elevation dividing line is, but I think somewhere around 3,000 ft. I always ran regular in all my LR coilers. The G gets regular too and runs stock timing. The altitude also typically lets you advance timing a little if you like. -Dave G. From bens Thu Aug 8 13:15:16 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g78HFGb18139 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 13:15:16 -0400 Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 13:15:15 -0400 Message-Id: <200208081715.g78HFF418135@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: low octane fuel Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Why does higher altitude allow for lower octane? Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 From bens Thu Aug 8 13:22:02 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g78HM2B18182 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 13:22:02 -0400 Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 13:22:02 -0400 Message-Id: <200208081722.g78HM2g18178@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Stirling Anderson To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: Door Ding Rant Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- TeriAnn Wakeman wrote: > I want to be the only person putting dents in either > of my cars. I go on the philosophy of the dimpled golfball/air resistance thing... Or, I just have a new dent that I can say... "Yeah, that is from a Rhino horn..." or "Oh that, well, I'll tell you this, bull elephants in musk are quite ferocious" > spent well over $2000 for a Land > Rover paint job and > bodywork. Paaa.. Paaaint... What's this paint stuff... :) Take care, Stirling"hooked on phonics"Anderson __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From bens Thu Aug 8 13:27:16 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g78HRGL18229 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 13:27:16 -0400 Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 13:27:16 -0400 Message-Id: <200208081727.g78HRGt18225@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Stirling Anderson To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: low octane fuel Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- Jason Pipes wrote: > > Why does higher altitude allow for lower octane? Less air at altitude equals a lower compression ratio in your engine, which in turn means you can run a lower octane fuel. Stirling __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From bens Thu Aug 8 13:49:24 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g78HnOO26386 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 13:49:24 -0400 Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 13:49:23 -0400 Message-Id: <200208081749.g78HnNw26382@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Ed Sanman To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: New Warn 9.5ti winch on e-bay Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org As many of you know, Mike Slade does much of Warn's photography. A couple weeks ago, they used my D-90 as a host vehicle for their new "Extreme Duty" winch series during an International Press outing to a dude ranch in Eastern Oregon, then for a couple days shooting for upcoming advertising and PR. They put it on one of Shipman's bumpers for the period. They gave me the winch as payment for use of my truck, but unfortunately it won't fit the bumper made for my old XD9000, so I've put it on ebay. It'll be there 'til mid next week, so if there's any interest e-mail me and I'll fill you in with more details. Here's the link: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1849470803 Here's a link for the winch details on Warn's site. It was only used for shooting and demo purposes, no recovery involved. http://www.warn.com/warn.nsf/pages/TruckProducts.Winches.winch9_5ti.html As of this morning, it's going very cheep. Ed From bens Thu Aug 8 14:25:09 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g78IP9V26788 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 14:25:09 -0400 Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 14:25:09 -0400 Message-Id: <200208081825.g78IP9e26784@minbar.fourfold.org> From: shukait@mac.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Door Ding Rant Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Bruce and all, > Two solutions. > 1. Body Armor. Stella, D90 SW, has side steps that protect the doors > and > sills and are always good for collateral damage to the offending party. I LOVE this idea! Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh "Collateral Damage". I could have avoided $782 of body damage on the last outing too. I took a trip up to Eric Fournier's house to pick up the free stock plastic sills to replace mine (thanks again eric) and noticed his sliders stuck out a lot. At first I didn't like them because of that, I wanted something that looked more stock. Now I'm going to order them stay away from other 4x4 and smile when I see chips in the sliders. > 2.Remember you're driving a Land Rover. It's SUPPOSED to have dents. > They're called "character". This is the protection method I use with > Spot, > 94 D90 with LOTS of character. My 109 has never got a door ding (knock on wood). The Disco is our only real car and I want to keep it nice. Monday she goes in to get the fender dent fix, the side stripes and small XD wing stickers removed and the complete XD Event Decal Package applied. She'll have that Camel Trophy / Trek look going on. Just wait and see me melt down when the long black stickers that go down the side of the car get torn from a door ding!!! They'll probably carry me away in the big white truck! :^) Cheers, Keith From bens Thu Aug 8 14:52:19 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g78IqJO28002 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 14:52:19 -0400 Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 14:52:19 -0400 Message-Id: <200208081852.g78IqJu27998@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: low octane fuel Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "...equals a lower compression ratio in your engine..." Same ratio, just lower end cylinder pressure due to the lower starting pressure. But that is it. -Dave G. From bens Thu Aug 8 14:56:55 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g78IutE28031 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 14:56:55 -0400 Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 14:56:55 -0400 Message-Id: <200208081856.g78Iutr28027@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Door Ding Rant Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "...She'll have that Camel Trophy / Trek look going on...." Those trucks are actually usually pretty banged up... A man can not serve two masters, Keith! :^))) -Dave G. From bens Thu Aug 8 15:15:00 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g78JF0d28158 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 15:15:00 -0400 Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 15:14:59 -0400 Message-Id: <200208081914.g78JExv28154@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Meteor night! ( not much LR ) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Sign me up! ;-) Paul --- Tom Walsh wrote: > > This coming Monday night is supposed to be the peak of > the perseid meteor > shower. In celebration of this we are having a meteor > party at our place as > we have a great "dark" night view... Additionally will be > trying to locate > the new space station, as its supposed to be very bright! > [ 9 additional quoted lines pruned. ] __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From bens Thu Aug 8 16:11:59 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g78KBxJ28526 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 16:11:59 -0400 Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 16:11:59 -0400 Message-Id: <200208082011.g78KBx928522@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Tom Walsh" To: Subject: Re: Meteor night! ( not much LR ) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Done :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Archibald" To: Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 12:14 PM Subject: Re: Meteor night! ( not much LR ) > > Sign me up! ;-) > > Paul > > > --- Tom Walsh wrote: > > > > This coming Monday night is supposed to be the peak of [ 15 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Thu Aug 8 16:32:07 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g78KW7Q28630 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 16:32:07 -0400 Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 16:32:07 -0400 Message-Id: <200208082032.g78KW7r28626@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Fil F." To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Fremont PD - warning on parked 109sw Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org hi all, i park all my landies infront of our house, the 109 is always parked there and today i got a notice from the Freakmont pooolice dept that i have a 72 hrs storage violations, the 109 is currently registered and in good running condition , the only thing is i am not driving it all the time and it is parked in front of our house on the street ( not driveway) , i think Paul might have some experience with this (?), i called them but of course not answer, what are my recourse here, maybe i should get an 88 and parked it on the neighbors side of the street and populate the whole neighborhood with landies - fil _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From bens Thu Aug 8 16:47:30 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g78KlUN28704 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 16:47:30 -0400 Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 16:47:30 -0400 Message-Id: <200208082047.g78KlUP28700@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jeff Rogers To: Mendo Recce List Subject: Re: Fremont PD - warning on parked 109sw Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org As I understand it, you can only park a vehicle at the curb for 72 hours without moving it, regardless of it's condition. You can just move the truck a foot or two every 72 hours and there is nothing your neighbors can do about it. RV's are a different story in some areas. -->Jeff on 8/8/02 1:32 PM, Fil F. at fil109sw@hotmail.com wrote: > > > hi all, > > i park all my landies infront of our house, the 109 is always parked there > and today i got a notice from the Freakmont pooolice dept that i have a 72 > hrs storage violations, the 109 is currently registered and in good running > condition , the only thing is i am not driving it all the time and it is > parked in front of our house on the street ( not driveway) , i think Paul [ 11 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Thu Aug 8 17:11:38 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g78LBct28891 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 17:11:38 -0400 Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 17:11:38 -0400 Message-Id: <200208082111.g78LBcl28887@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Turner, Jon [LFS]" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Fremont PD - warning on parked 109sw Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; ] [ 28 lines filtered. ] This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. charset="iso-8859-1" Pleasanton has the same rule, but in my experience they rarely act unless a neighbor calls in a complaint. I know that we have cars that sit for weeks without moving on my street (some have covers on them), and a Sgt. with the Pleasanton Police lives on my street. My 110 sits for long periods of time in front of the house, I usually only drive it on the weekend. And the last week I haven't been driving it because it had no radiator in it! Jon From bens Thu Aug 8 17:43:02 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g78Lh2W29098 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 17:43:02 -0400 Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 17:43:01 -0400 Message-Id: <200208082143.g78Lh1M29094@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Fil F." To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Fremont PD - warning on parked 109sw Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org jeff,jon,all, i got a hold of the police dept and they told me i have to move the rover more than 3 miles every 72 hrs for me to park it on the street curb ( but not on the same spot), i have been parking the rover in the same spot for the last 6-7 yrs, i think some neighbors complained(?), anyways the PD told me that if i park it on my driveway ( as long as the vehicle is in working condition and currently insured and registered), neighbors can't do anything thanks all, fil - still pissed off >From: Jeff Rogers >Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >To: Mendo Recce List >Subject: Re: Fremont PD - warning on parked 109sw >Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 16:47:30 -0400 > >As I understand it, you can only park a vehicle at the curb for 72 hours >without moving it, regardless of it's condition. You can just move the >truck [ 20 additional quoted lines pruned. ] _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From bens Thu Aug 8 17:44:10 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g78LiAg29114 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 17:44:10 -0400 Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 17:44:10 -0400 Message-Id: <200208082144.g78LiA929110@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Tom Walsh" To: Subject: Re: Fremont PD - warning on parked 109sw Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I'm sure glad I live in the boonies! TomW ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Rogers" To: "Mendo Recce List" Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 1:47 PM Subject: Re: Fremont PD - warning on parked 109sw > > > As I understand it, you can only park a vehicle at the curb for 72 hours > without moving it, regardless of it's condition. You can just move the truck > a foot or two every 72 hours and there is nothing your neighbors can do > about it. RV's are a different story in some areas. -->Jeff > > > on 8/8/02 1:32 PM, Fil F. at fil109sw@hotmail.com wrote: > > > > > > > hi all, [ 2 additional quoted lines pruned. ] there > > and today i got a notice from the Freakmont pooolice dept that i have a 72 > > hrs storage violations, the 109 is currently registered and in good running > > condition , the only thing is i am not driving it all the time and it is > > parked in front of our house on the street ( not driveway) , i think Paul > [ 11 additional quoted lines pruned. ] > > From bens Thu Aug 8 18:03:09 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g78M39f29272 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 18:03:09 -0400 Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 18:03:09 -0400 Message-Id: <200208082203.g78M39l29268@minbar.fourfold.org> From: eric.fournier@attbi.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Fremont PD - warning on parked 109sw Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hey Fil. This seems silly. How are they going to enforce three miles? Does it really say that in the code, or are they just saying that. And, if you move the car and park it in the same spot, it's still not in the exact same spot. What if you drove for three miles and came back to find the spot you had when you left was the only one available when you returned? Are they saying you can't park there? I would get a copy of the code and push it to the limit... Think of a Rover club sleep over at Fil's place. A yard full of tents and a street full of Rovers, that should get your pesky neighbor. (I don't think the police would bother unless there was a complaint). Eric Fournier - feeling vindictive today Yeah, I've got those Rovertym rock sliders and I love parking in mall parking lots. Brings a smile to see someone else's door paint on them due to their own carelessness ;-) From bens Thu Aug 8 18:12:59 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g78MCxL29364 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 18:12:59 -0400 Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 18:12:59 -0400 Message-Id: <200208082212.g78MCxl29360@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kerner, Rob" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE:Fremont Police and parking Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; ] [ 250 lines filtered. ] This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. charset="iso-8859-1" >From : http://livepublish.municode.com/2/lpext.dll?f=3Dtemplates &fn=3Dmain-hit-j.htm&2.0 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 Sec. 3-2901. Use of streets for storage of vehicles prohibited. =20 =20 =20 =09 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 No person who owns or has possession, custody or control of any vehicle shall park such vehicle upon any street or alley for more than a = consecutive period of seventy-two hours. (Ord. No. 58, =A7 3-2901; Ord. No. 429, = =A7 1; Ord. No. 648, =A7 2.) =20 Nothing I could find about driving 3 miles. That may be some other = weird unrelated ordinance, or just a lie.... =20 -Rob =20 =20 =09 =20 From bens Thu Aug 8 18:26:31 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g78MQV929443 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 18:26:31 -0400 Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 18:26:31 -0400 Message-Id: <200208082226.g78MQVu29439@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kerner, Rob" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: FYI Davis Parking regulations Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; ] [ 135 lines filtered. ] This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. charset="iso-8859-1" =20 22.08.050 Use of streets for storage of vehicle prohibited.=20 (a) No person who owns or has possession, custody, or control of = any vehicle shall park such vehicle upon any street, alley or city parking = lot for more than a consecutive period of one hundred twenty hours without driving such vehicle. =20 Also.. No person shall ride or drive any animal or animal-drawn vehicle = into or within the city between the hours of sunset and sunrise of any day. = (Code 1964, =A7 4-3.1304.) =20 No more midnight horse cruises., =20 -Rob =20 From bens Thu Aug 8 18:51:11 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g78MpBR29601 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 18:51:11 -0400 Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 18:51:11 -0400 Message-Id: <200208082251.g78MpBB29597@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Fil F." To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Fremont PD - warning on parked 109sw Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org eric, they did put the miles on the warning ticket, i desk officer i talked to said they they do chk the miles on the vehicle, i can drive it around as long as it is more than 3 miles but not park it in the same spot within 10 feet of the previous spot the vehicle was previously parked , i would like to get a hold of the city ordinace for this and would gladly have the club leave/park their rovers for 72 hrs in the neighborhood, the more mud the better fil >From: eric.fournier@attbi.com >Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Subject: Re: Fremont PD - warning on parked 109sw >Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 18:03:09 -0400 > >Hey Fil. > >This seems silly. How are they going to enforce three [ 19 additional quoted lines pruned. ] _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From bens Thu Aug 8 19:09:22 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g78N9MN29678 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 19:09:22 -0400 Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 19:09:22 -0400 Message-Id: <200208082309.g78N9Mw29674@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Fremont PD - warning on parked 109sw Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org No free lunch. That nice paved street you live on comes with all kinds of costs. The "society" that owns it has the right to make rules as to it's use, I guess. I live in the sticks. I don't have any pavement to park on, nor any curb to park next to, nor any rules telling how long I can park anywhere. But of course, if my neighbor wants to park a 28' travel trailer in his yard and let his delinquent son live/party in it, or let loose a clip full of 7.62x39 at midnight on any given Saturday, I can't do anything about that either....hypothetically speaking of course.... You makes your choices, and you pays the costs. :^( -Dave G. From bens Thu Aug 8 21:14:08 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g791E8P30260 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 21:14:08 -0400 Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 21:14:08 -0400 Message-Id: <200208090114.g791E8O30256@minbar.fourfold.org> From: EUROMOG@aol.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Fremont PD - warning on parked 109sw Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In a message dated 8/8/02 3:04:06 PM Pacific Daylight Time, eric.fournier@attbi.com writes: << What if you drove for three miles and came back to find the spot you had when you left was the only one available when you returned? >> Hey I could probably find an ugly Unimog to park there for a few days... The Landie would be a welcome return afterwords. John Wessels From bens Thu Aug 8 22:31:24 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g792VOa30620 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 22:31:24 -0400 Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 22:31:24 -0400 Message-Id: <200208090231.g792VOo30616@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Peter Hope" To: Cc: "Mendo_Recce" Subject: another ebay defender 110 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; ] [ 28 lines filtered. ] charset="iso-8859-1" http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D184928753= 2 Don't know if anyone else saw this one yet. What is funny is this is = the same 110 that recently listed from the Big Island of Hawaii. The = photos are even the exact same ones.... 110 with HI plates sitting on = the lava fields. Would love to get the story. Pete From bens Thu Aug 8 23:31:49 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g793VnZ30945 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 23:31:49 -0400 Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 23:31:48 -0400 Message-Id: <200208090331.g793VmR30941@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: answer one Re: Fremont PD - warning on parked 109sw Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- Jeff Rogers wrote: > As I understand it, you can only park a vehicle at the > curb for 72 hours > without moving it, regardless of it's condition. Zaktly!!! in most city ordinances......but.. > You canjust move the truck > a foot or two every 72 hours and there is nothing your > neighbors can do > about it. Wrongamundo!!!!! ;-( In this case, Fremont is really a pain in the ass about that, and told me if I did that they would tow it and have it destroyed....(I had a bunch of discussions about this over the last ten years) They said someting about it having to move a certain amount as in miles not feet. I got a 72 hour ticket on a rover with an engine still hot from coming back from work! They were checking the speedo! I informed them that I was pressing charges for trespass as they had gone inside my vehicle w/o my permission to read the speedo...that shut them up.....that time, but years later they came back... > RV's are a different story in some areas. don't even think about putting one anywhere in Fremont! the city council members apparently owned the storage lots when they made the NO RV ordinance! now that is a conflict in my mind! ;-( Paul __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From bens Thu Aug 8 23:33:39 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g793XdN30960 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 23:33:39 -0400 Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 23:33:38 -0400 Message-Id: <200208090333.g793Xcx30956@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: and number two...Re: Fremont PD - warning on parked 109sw Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- "Fil F." wrote: > > jeff,jon,all, > > i got a hold of the police dept and they told me i have > to move the rover > more than 3 miles every 72 hrs for me to park it on the > street curb ( but > not on the same spot), i have been parking the rover in > the same spot for [ 6 additional quoted lines pruned. ] BUT!!!!!! If you do not have the vehicle currently insured and registered.....they can still tow it from your driveway!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YES...That's FreaKmont with a K! ;-( I already went through all that...and it all stopped when I asked for teh name of the complaining party....I informed them that if there was another complaint fron one or the other of teh complaining parties, I would file for harrassment and sue both the cpmplaining aprty and the Freakmont PD!!!!! I was really steamed, and I think I must have made quite an impression, as they have not bothered me for a few years now... ;-) Paul __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From bens Thu Aug 8 23:40:01 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g793e1T31000 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 23:40:01 -0400 Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 23:40:00 -0400 Message-Id: <200208090340.g793e0A30995@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: and more? ;-) Re: FYI Davis Parking regulations Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- "Kerner, Rob" wrote: > Also.. No person shall ride or drive any animal or > animal-drawn vehicle = > into > or within the city between the hours of sunset and > sunrise of any day. = > (Code > 1964, =A7 4-3.1304.) > No more midnight horse cruises., Man! I'm pissed!!!!!!!!!!! I was agonna start riding the pig to the bars in downtown Freakmont! ;-( Now I guess I'll a-hafta keep the pig in the back of the Land-Rover or just let it drive me home when I'm drunk?(It's ok as long as I don't ride it, right?) ;-) Paul (NO! I do not have a pig....especially in freakmont...they w2oulda come and killed it years ago if I had...) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From bens Thu Aug 8 23:47:37 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g793lb431046 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 23:47:37 -0400 Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 23:47:36 -0400 Message-Id: <200208090347.g793lab31042@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: a bit more...Re: Fremont PD - warning on parked 109sw Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- "Fil F." wrote: > > eric, > > they did put the miles on the warning ticket, i desk > officer i talked to > said they they do chk the miles on the vehicle, i can > drive it around as > long as it is more than 3 miles but not park it in the > same spot within 10 [ 7 additional quoted lines pruned. ] see one of my previous posts...When I mentioned that it was unconstitutional to do so...and again reminded them i worked for a law firm and was pissed off....they kinda walkewd away... I'd offer to be one of the people parked there, but...They have been nice to me recently...I had Joe's rangie sitting in front of the house than accross the street than back in front agein etc for a month or so w/o a problem...it's the neighbors...did you get a new neighbor? There's a vanagon parked accross the street now for two weeks, and I'm sure all the neighbors assume it's mine...(it's not, honest..) I want to take it for the engine for Joe's vanagon....left a nots, bit it's jist sitting...as if abandoned..it;'s by a side yard, not in front of anyone..wierd..as it's not a neighbors, and hsa all sorts of camping stuff inside, and teh drivers window open.... Paul __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From bens Thu Aug 8 23:58:22 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g793wMn31106 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 23:58:22 -0400 Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 23:58:22 -0400 Message-Id: <200208090358.g793wMG31102@minbar.fourfold.org> From: dms@scheidt.chem.nd.edu To: lro@koan.team.net Subject: Re: [lro] another ebay defender 110 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org On Thu, 8 Aug 2002, Peter Hope wrote: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1849287532 > > Don't know if anyone else saw this one yet. What is funny is this is the same > 110 that recently listed from the Big Island of Hawaii. The photos are even > the exact same ones.... 110 with HI plates sitting on the lava fields. > > Would love to get the story. Hmm, couldn't get it registered in Flordia because it's not legally imported? Just because it's got a title doesn't mean it's legal. David, just guessing > From bens Fri Aug 9 00:23:25 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g794NPH32446 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 00:23:25 -0400 Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 00:23:24 -0400 Message-Id: <200208090423.g794NO332442@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: sighting in Santa Rosa.. Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- "G. Mugele" wrote: > At 1:32 AM -0400 8/8/02, Paul Archibald wrote: > >I wa driving north on 101 through Santa Rosa...sorta > zoning > >out this afternoon around four...and woke to a honk from > >the south-bound direction by college ave...where I > glimpsed > >a green d90 sw....Gerry Mugle? Was that you? > yup, Was I. Hey! we gots to get together sometime so you can show me some of the sonoma county trails you used to know in the days of old! ;-) after all I do have all sorts of free time these days.....and both rovers work just fine too amazingly... > I kinda thought you slept through the moment so I wasn't > gonna mention it. Was it that obvious from the other direction? ;-0 Yeah! I was a little under the weather yesterday... ;-( > It's kinda hard to miss the subtle Camel Trophy logo on > your doors so > it wasn't as though you could slip by unnoticed. ya think? ;-) and I was thinking of going under stealth mode and take ALL the stickers off, fix the dents, repaint and make it all purty! ;-) Nah! it would than have no character.... Paul __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From bens Fri Aug 9 02:27:02 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g796R2k00733 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 02:27:02 -0400 Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 02:27:02 -0400 Message-Id: <200208090627.g796R2700726@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: answer one Re: Fremont PD - warning on parked 109sw Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I had a similar problem with Cortina #1 last year: City told me the car was inoperable, because THEY never saw it move! I told them the speedo didn't work, and showed them the speeding ticket I got in the car - it had no effect. 6 months later, they send a letter to my parents (owners of this house) stating that the car was STILL inoperable, and if it wasn't moved in 10 days, they'd impound it, and sell it as scrap! I was in Sacramento at the time when my parents called me: I called the city and SCREAMED at them for harrassing me, since the license plate number on the form, was NOT the place that was on the car! (they first approached me in Februrary - the car had black plates, and registration wasn't completed: in August, the car had white plates, and was in my company parking lot the day I called them!) I dared them to even think about touching ANY of my cars, as a lawsuit the likes of which they'd never seen would be the result, and they haven't bothered me since. Though, they were "observing" activity in my driveway a weekend or so ago: but, when they saw me driving things around, they went away. See...my city seems to have the idea that even though my cars are running & registered, that if they don't move from the driveway, that I'm "storing" them. My idea of "storing" a vehicle is to put it on jackstands, remove the wheels, and cover it up - theirs, is simply to park it for a week, regardless of wether or not I'm out of town. Charles ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Fri Aug 9 02:27:02 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g796R2n00732 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 02:27:02 -0400 Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 02:27:02 -0400 Message-Id: <200208090627.g796R2700723@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Meteor night! ( not much LR ) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org This sucks!!! All this cool stuff going on at Tom's place - yet I'm in L.A.: by the time I move to Visalia (halfway to Los Gatos, and by the end of the year) he'll have already moved to San Diego. It just ain't fair... :( Charles ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Fri Aug 9 03:35:03 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g797Z3w01017 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 03:35:03 -0400 Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 03:35:03 -0400 Message-Id: <200208090735.g797Z3I01013@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Tom Walsh" To: Subject: Re: Meteor night! ( not much LR ) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > > This sucks!!! > > All this cool stuff going on at Tom's place - yet I'm in L.A.: The rate things are going, You and Paul would be the only ones who'd show up! Pretty depressing! ( err, I don't mean depressing having you & Paul up here :) I mean no one else ( in the rover community, other friends show up ). oh well! > by the > time I move to Visalia (halfway to Los Gatos, and by the end of the year) > he'll have already moved to San Diego. It may take a while to sell up here, as its not cheap and the bay area economy ain't zactly top notch these days, combined with home sails pickup in the spring and fall, and we will probably stay here ( rent if the house sells ) till november when Sara's due date is to keep the same doctors ect to make life easier with the new one! TomW Visalia... what happened to Nevada!!! > > It just ain't fair... > > :( > > Charles > > > ________________________________________________________________ [ 5 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Fri Aug 9 04:07:17 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7987Hp01228 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 04:07:17 -0400 Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 04:07:16 -0400 Message-Id: <200208090807.g7987GI01224@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Meteor night! ( not much LR ) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Visalia first: gonna buy a lot in Nevada, and build on it later... ...baby steps, baby steps...(as a friend of mine sez) Charles On Fri, 9 Aug 2002 03:35:03 -0400 "Tom Walsh" writes: > > Visalia... what happened to Nevada!!! ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Fri Aug 9 04:07:21 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7987L501242 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 04:07:21 -0400 Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 04:07:21 -0400 Message-Id: <200208090807.g7987La01238@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: rovernet@lyris.ccdata.com, mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: O.T. - films... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Folks, Just picked up a couple of true classics... "The Adventures of Buckaroo Banzai", and "Tremors 3: Back to Perfection"...picked up the former because they threw in deleted scenes, one being an "alternate opening" - featuring Jamie Lee Curtis as Banzai's mother! The second one because, well, the first two were a riot - this one is worth the laughs as well. Also picked up an obscure Richard Gere film "Breathless"...not bad at all. Caught the end of this on television late one night about 10 years ago and was intrigued, but haven't been able to catch the film at all anywhere, not even on VHS. Charles ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Fri Aug 9 09:41:35 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g79DfZO02794 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 09:41:35 -0400 Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 09:41:34 -0400 Message-Id: <200208091341.g79DfYD02790@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Meteor night! ( not much LR ) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org ".......baby steps....." Whoa! slow down buddy! What's this about a baby???? :^) -Dave G. From bens Fri Aug 9 10:06:23 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g79E6NB03149 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 10:06:23 -0400 Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 10:06:23 -0400 Message-Id: <200208091406.g79E6N303145@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Fil F." To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: a bit more...Re: Fremont PD - warning on parked 109sw Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org thanks all for the reply, i suspect my one of my neighbors complained or the Frekmont PD just have too much time in their hands, i guess i will be watching my neighbors vehicle and if they have been parked more than 72 hrs i will start calling the PD and log complaint about it for now i parked the rover on the driveway, anyways i have a web cam installed and set on monitor mode if someone comes close to the rover it should start recording and maybe i can catch the "perp" i mean the traffic officer assigned to my neighborhood ...i wonder what will happen if i go on for a long vacation and leave the rovers on the curb.. fil still pissed off >From: Paul Archibald >see one of my previous posts...When I mentioned that it was >unconstitutional to do so...and again reminded them i >worked for a law firm and was pissed off....they kinda >walkewd away... > >I'd offer to be one of the people parked there, but...They >have been nice to me recently...I had Joe's rangie sitting >in front of the house than accross the street than back in >front agein etc for a month or so w/o a problem...it's the [ 6 additional quoted lines pruned. ] _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From bens Fri Aug 9 10:49:36 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g79Enav03525 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 10:49:36 -0400 Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 10:49:36 -0400 Message-Id: <200208091449.g79EnaI03521@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Eric Johnson" To: Subject: Re: O.T. - films... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I caught "Tremors 3" on the Sci Fi channel awhile back...being what it was, the third movie about the "Graboids", or the evolution of same, I'd give it a thumbs up. The first one was good, second was decent, this almost as good as the first "Tremors" Gee, I think we drove thru the same area during the Nevada Trip...it sure looked familiar. Was Jason looking for "Graboids"? >>> cirvin1258@juno.com 08/09/02 01:07AM >>> Folks, Just picked up a couple of true classics... "The Adventures of Buckaroo Banzai", and "Tremors 3: Back to Perfection"...picked up the former because they threw in deleted scenes, one being an "alternate opening" - featuring Jamie Lee Curtis as Banzai's mother! The second one because, well, the first two were a riot - this one is worth the laughs as well. Also picked up an obscure Richard Gere film "Breathless"...not bad at all. Caught the end of this on television late one night about 10 years ago and was intrigued, but haven't been able to catch the film at all anywhere, not even on VHS. Charles ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Fri Aug 9 11:05:01 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g79F51h03609 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 11:05:01 -0400 Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 11:05:01 -0400 Message-Id: <200208091505.g79F51703604@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Benjamin Smith To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Fremont PD - warning on parked 109sw Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In message <200208082203.g78M39l29268@minbar.fourfold.org>you wrote: > I would get a copy of the code and push it to the > limit... Think of a Rover club sleep over at Fil's > place. A yard full of tents and a street full of Rovers, > that should get your pesky neighbor. And even that might not work. Last weekend I had a Rover event over at my place in NJ. A housewarming and Land Rover party. 30 ish people and 15 Land Rovers. Now to set the scene, I'm in rural NJ now on just under 13 acres--10+ are field and lawn. To get to my place you drive on 2000 feet of gravel road (and easement) along the end of 3 other people's properties. The easement terminates at it touches my land. One neighbor illegally trespasses onto my land partway up my driveway and then onto theirs. But this has been going on for 10+ years across 2 owners and before me, so for now I'm not pushing it. Technically under the terms of the easement since their land touches the eastment, they have to bring their driveway down to the eastment. I've talked with the husband and children of this couple once when they came out to throw a ball in my field and asked if that was ok. Which it was at the time. So Rovers start showing up Friday night. 3 SIIA 109s, a Disco, a Range Rover mk2, 2 RR Classics, 4 SIIA 88s, a Freelander, SI 80", and my fleet. And they start pitching tents. Saturday we go off road in the Pine Barrens. And Sat night is a BBQ. We drank into the wee hours, but we were amazingly quiet. Repairing a starter motor is much easier with lights, bench, in a garage and with a bunch of spectators. Oh heck, photos of the event are at: http://www.fourfold.org/dkenner/btn1.html http://www.simplerthyme.com/pics/blacker/blacker1.html This lady's house is 300 or 400 feet away from mine and throuh some woods. She had a party for her daughter's high school graduation a year ago with a well known radio DJ and amplfied music. At least until the police came, by since people a mile away were complaining, and shut it down. Sunday morning she came over to complain. As a friend (think of an scraggly Italian with a full beard and pipe) wrote: ----begin forward-------------------- A lot of folks had already left.. Some were outside packing up, the rest were in the house. She came up the driveway, sees me and asks if I was the owner. "Nope." I said. So she points to Q. and wants to know if he was the owner. "Nope." Her tone was beginning to piss me off. Not a "Hi.. how's everything? You guys having a good time?" No explanation, not a thing friendly about here at all. So I next said "The owner is a big grumpy guy with a gun." Dave comes around a corner.. Dave with not enough sleep and a three day old beard.. "Is he the owner?" she asks.. "Nope. the guy that owns the place is in the house." so I led her around to the door and got Ben.. She started asking Ben if this was going to be a "regular thing" or some such nonsense. Saying that it looked like a trailer park. Ben was very polite and explained it was just a bunch of friends over for a housewarming party. I wouldn't have been that polite. Listening to her tone of voice you knew that she was one of those yahoos that lived in a planned community somewhere with a bunch of regulations - moved out to the countryside and expects that everything there will conform to those same regulations. So, on her way out I told her that we actually were a bunch of international terrorists.. and gave her a big smile... I'm sorry Ben, I couldn't resist. It's not like we raised a ruckus or anything.. It was a pretty quiet weekend.. ----end forward-------------------- More people left. The remainder went out into the far corner of my field and set up the clay pigeon thrower. And shot 6 boxes of 12 guage. No complaints about that. Ben From bens Fri Aug 9 11:52:45 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g79Fqjp03877 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 11:52:45 -0400 Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 11:52:45 -0400 Message-Id: <200208091552.g79Fqjp03873@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Fremont PD - warning on parked 109sw Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Totally priceless, Ben..... "..."The owner is a big grumpy guy with a gun."...." Bout fell outa my chair laughing. I gotta meet this guy! :^) One of my neighbors is sort of like that. She made a petition to gripe about the guy with the trailer in his yard. When she asked me to sign it, I told her, "well, he probably moved out here for the same reason I did. To stay away from people telling him what he can and can't do. So no, I don't think I can sign it." But in the same breath I told her I hoped she and her son would be able to come to the bbq we were having the following weekend. A bbq well populated with off roaders, veterinarian types, and other neighbors. I think your neighbor just got introduced to the gang on the wrong foot. Lots of folks look askance at the likes of Jim, Ralph, and Travis too. But share a beer and some bbq with them, and you soon find out what really cool folks they are. On the other hand, I think Ralph would have had a comment similar to your Italian gent if taken unawares by an irate stranger. When it comes down to it, we all just gotta get along. Escalation of response in force gets things nowhere fast. Make love not war. Plant some hemp and tell her you're going to make winch lines from it, but would she like a hammock while you're at it. :^) Peace, Love, Dope, -Dave G. From bens Fri Aug 9 12:04:25 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g79G4P703988 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 12:04:25 -0400 Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 12:04:24 -0400 Message-Id: <200208091604.g79G4OM03980@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: O.T. - films... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I'll have to check the credits: I know the first film was shot around either Mojave or Temecula (I think), and the second one was shot in Santa Maria (supposed to be Mexico) I think this one went straight to Video, as I have never seen any promos for it & I heard about it 4 years ago (was released last year), the same time I heard about Terminator 3! (to be released next year!!!!) Makes me wonder what ever happened to "Repo Man 2"..... Charles On Fri, 9 Aug 2002 10:49:36 -0400 "Eric Johnson" writes: > > > > Gee, I think we drove thru the same area during the Nevada Trip...it > sure looked familiar. > Was Jason looking for "Graboids"? ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Fri Aug 9 12:04:25 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g79G4Pp03987 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 12:04:25 -0400 Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 12:04:24 -0400 Message-Id: <200208091604.g79G4Oc03978@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Meteor night! ( not much LR ) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org No no no no no!!!!!!!!! I have a good friend that for some unknown reason, has decided that basket-case Maseratis are the end-all, be-all, of human existance. (especially when they're missing all the important and "unobtanium" parts) All his friends have been trying to talk him into getting rid of them, as he has not been enjoying them, and so when he answers, his reply is "Baby steps, baby steps" (in other words, small jumps as opposed to giant leaps to do something about them) Charles On Fri, 9 Aug 2002 09:41:34 -0400 "Gomes, David" writes: > > ".......baby steps....." > > Whoa! slow down buddy! What's this about a baby???? > > :^) > > -Dave G. ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Fri Aug 9 12:51:43 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g79Gphx04321 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 12:51:43 -0400 Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 12:51:43 -0400 Message-Id: <200208091651.g79GphN04317@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Stirling Anderson To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Easement Was: Fremont PD Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- Benjamin Smith wrote: The easement terminates at it touches my land. Easements can be a really touchy subject for people. My mother lives on the last 20 acre parcel at the end of a division outside Bozeman Mt. She has an easement to cross through her neighbors field. The way the hills are, there's really no other way to get to her property. So they drive on a small gravel road through his property, up around a switchback onto her property. He would put up road blocks of logs, and piles driven into the road which were promptly pulled by my mom's truck, they even suspect him of spiking the road. She's been shot at, harrased, and even had an automatic shotgun pointed at her a foot away from her face. Eventually she got the police to arrest the guy, and he's not allowed to own a firearm now. However he still gives them as much trouble as he can. Including reporting them to local authorities because of her outhouse (she has no power or running water). It's pretty sad, because it pretty much ruined her dream of getting away from it all. Guess there's assholes no matter where you go. I don't think the "I'm going to move to Montana and be a mountain man" mentality helps, especially when they find out all they can afford is a 20 acre parcel, but they still pretend they're living on a thousand. Guess it's homesteading in Alaska for me.... ;) Stirling __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From bens Fri Aug 9 13:05:22 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g79H5Mi04424 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 13:05:22 -0400 Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 13:05:22 -0400 Message-Id: <200208091705.g79H5M604420@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Easement Was: Fremont PD Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "...He would put up road blocks of logs, and piles driven into the road..." I hear from friends that this sort of land squabbling is really common up there. It's almost like their state hobby. I guess there's not much else to do. :^) -Dave G. From bens Fri Aug 9 13:06:56 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g79H6ui04436 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 13:06:56 -0400 Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 13:06:56 -0400 Message-Id: <200208091706.g79H6ut04432@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Casey McMullen To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Meteor night! ( not much LR ) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Don't fret Tom. I might be able to show up and raise the rover contingent by one. We'll have to see how crazy work is next week. -Casey From bens Fri Aug 9 13:10:52 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g79HAq704477 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 13:10:52 -0400 Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 13:10:52 -0400 Message-Id: <200208091710.g79HAqU04473@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Shannon Holland To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: The clunkless one Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Just got back from picking up the 110 from Roverland. It's now amazingly clunkless (can only feel a very small amount of slack if I come on and off the gas hard, but most of that feels like suspension/weight shift). It looked like someone had done some work on the front diff and had put the carrier bearings on way too tight (only got to talk to Philippe very quickly so I might have this wrong) causing lots of extra wear. The main ball joint holding the rear body to the frame was also vey worn. Plus the rubber bushings on the rear shocks were almost gone. That the truck runs much more nicely is a major understatement! The TrueTrac handles as I expected. It basically feels like the truck has a greater desire to track straight. So, you feel a slightly stronger tendency to return to straight when pulling out of a corner. But I probably wouldn't even notice it if I wasn't very familiar with it all. So it all looks good - thanks for all the help everyone! Shannon From bens Fri Aug 9 13:33:26 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g79HXQM04578 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 13:33:26 -0400 Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 13:33:26 -0400 Message-Id: <200208091733.g79HXQe04574@minbar.fourfold.org> From: shukait@mac.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Meteor Night Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Tom, Count me in! Can I bring the wife and kids? Zachary age 10 and Liam age 3? If it's just an adult thing that's ok too. Let me know. Cheers, Keith & Pam Sukait Northern California Rover Club 1997 Land Rover Discovery XD "YLLWJKT" 1969 Land Rover Series IIA ExMoD 109 Regular "Millie" 1967 Land Rover Series IIA NADA 6 Cylinder Dormobile "Indiana" From bens Fri Aug 9 13:39:50 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g79Hdou04617 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 13:39:50 -0400 Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 13:39:50 -0400 Message-Id: <200208091739.g79Hdos04613@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Meteor Night Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org What? An adult thingy at Tom's house? Count me in! jpipes From bens Fri Aug 9 13:58:35 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g79HwZ304882 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 13:58:35 -0400 Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 13:58:35 -0400 Message-Id: <200208091758.g79HwZg04878@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Easement Was: Fremont PD Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I think people there are still pissed after getting a speed limit! (I would be, too!) Charles On Fri, 9 Aug 2002 13:05:22 -0400 "Gomes, David" writes: > > "...He would put up road blocks of logs, and > piles driven into the road..." > > I hear from friends that this sort of land squabbling is really > common up > there. It's almost like their state hobby. I guess there's not > much else > to do. :^) [ 2 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Fri Aug 9 14:02:07 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g79I27C04943 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 14:02:07 -0400 Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 14:02:07 -0400 Message-Id: <200208091802.g79I27Z04939@minbar.fourfold.org> From: StevHutch@aol.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Meteor night! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset="US-ASCII" ] [ 20 lines filtered. ] Hi Tom, Where is your place? And do you have dark skies? (I am tempted to dig my 8" reflector out of the garage..been too many years since it saw stars.) - Steve H. Petaluma, CA > From: "Tom Walsh" > Subject: Meteor night! ( not much LR ) > > This coming Monday night is supposed to be the peak of the perseid meteor > shower. In celebration of this we are having a meteor party at our place as > we have a great "dark" night view... Additionally will be trying to locate > From bens Fri Aug 9 14:50:24 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g79IoO905246 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 14:50:24 -0400 Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 14:50:24 -0400 Message-Id: <200208091850.g79IoOT05242@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Eric Wilcox To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Iceland via Land Rover Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org There was a really interesting article in the Rovers North News about exploring Iceland in Rovers. There is a company who will set you up with a fully-equipped LR (including 110's) and/or take you out in their 110 "Supertruck". Pretty cool... http://www.eskimos.is Eric Wilcox Jerry the 110 From bens Fri Aug 9 15:44:01 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g79Ji1605551 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 15:44:01 -0400 Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 15:44:00 -0400 Message-Id: <200208091944.g79Ji0d05547@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Tom Walsh" To: Subject: Re: Meteor Night Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Ok, Folks I'll post some directions later on ( if I have time... I may throw in a few GPS waypoints :) If you have a telescope, you could bring it! Our skies are typically dark ( when the moon is not up ) as we are looking out over Monteray Bay and Santa Cruz.... The recent hot weather has kept the fog out of Santa Cruz which has made our night sky a bit brighter, but I think the fog is expected to roll back in a day or so, giving us our excelent viewpoint ( not to worry about the fog as we are at 2780 ft... always above the fog, unless its a storm or winter rain ) If you have any requests like : drinks ( alchohol or not ) Vegitarian? ect.... leme know now... But I do need a re-confimation of generally how many folks so I can prepare the barb-q ect! I figure it will start @ ~7:00-7:30 so we can eat before it gets dark ect... If the meteor shower duds out on us, we can either look at stars or watch a DVD ( if you got a favorite one leme know, full surround big screen ect ) TomW Los Gatos ( Santa Cruz Mtns on rt 35 ( skyline blvd ) near castle rock state park ) 20 minutes from Saratoga village or Los Gatos center ( 408 ) 354-1745 From bens Fri Aug 9 16:51:45 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g79Kpji06128 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 16:51:45 -0400 Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 16:51:45 -0400 Message-Id: <200208092051.g79Kpjc06124@minbar.fourfold.org> From: James Howard To: Mendo list Subject: Tie downs Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Kelly & I test drove a 1999 Saab 9-5 Station Wagon yesterday. It had one feature that I wish the Range Rover had. It was the neatest luggage tie-down system I have seen. There are two tracks running down each side of the luggage area, each with an inverted tee slot cut into them. In addition, there are holes drilled every inch or so along the tees. There is a bag full of eyebolts, which have circluar flanges on them. To use one, you slide it into the slot to where you want it, then pull it up through one of the holes to engage the flange in the hole. The flange in the hole keeps the eyebolt from sliding along the track. It is very clever and very flexible. James From bens Fri Aug 9 17:10:38 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g79LAce06246 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 17:10:38 -0400 Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 17:10:37 -0400 Message-Id: <200208092110.g79LAbx06242@minbar.fourfold.org> From: craig reece To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Tie downs Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org James, Were the tracks flush with the floor or above it? If not flush, one could buy some from Saab and install them in any Rover - if flush, that becomes more difficult of course. Sounds like a very nice system. There are tie-down points made by Ancra that allow the actual tie-down eye to pop out of the mounting base - they are a close 2nd to the Saab system, I think. Craig James Howard wrote: > Kelly & I test drove a 1999 Saab 9-5 Station Wagon yesterday. It had one > feature that I wish the Range Rover had. It was the neatest luggage > tie-down system I have seen. There are two tracks running down each side > of the luggage area, each with an inverted tee slot cut into them. In > addition, there are holes drilled every inch or so along the tees. There > is a bag full of eyebolts, which have circluar flanges on them. To use > one, you slide it into the slot to where you want it, then pull it up > through one of the holes to engage the flange in the hole. The > flange in the hole keeps the eyebolt from sliding along the track. [ 3 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Fri Aug 9 18:01:37 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g79M1bI06541 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 18:01:37 -0400 Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 18:01:37 -0400 Message-Id: <200208092201.g79M1bW06537@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Peter Hope" To: Subject: Re: Tie downs Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org There is a sysem used in buildings for hanging pipes, conduit, what have ya. It's a rolled metal channel about 1x2 that forms the T slot. Has holes drilled down the back side for mounting. Most of the attachments for this stuff are circular brackets for pipes and all, but one thing they do make are threaded inserts. The inserts slip into the channel and can be slid anywhere along it's length. I have found 1/4, 3/8, and 1/2 thread. I then use the proper sized threaded eye loops. I ran a 46" long section of channel on the floor down each side of my tub. The channel is galvanised as are the inserts and eye loops. I use the 3/8 inserts and loops. They make perfect tie downs, used with 1" nylon ratchet straps. This is probably more utilitarian then what you saw in the volvo but is a perfect match for a Rover. Later Pete From bens Fri Aug 9 18:05:15 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g79M5F306567 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 18:05:15 -0400 Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 18:05:14 -0400 Message-Id: <200208092205.g79M5E006563@minbar.fourfold.org> From: craig reece To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Tie downs Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Peter, I think you're talking about UniStrut - and that's a clever use for it. Craig Peter Hope wrote: > There is a sysem used in buildings for hanging pipes, conduit, what have ya. > It's a rolled metal channel about 1x2 that forms the T slot. Has holes > drilled down the back side for mounting. Most of the attachments for this > stuff are circular brackets for pipes and all, but one thing they do make > are threaded inserts. > The inserts slip into the channel and can be slid anywhere along it's > length. I have found 1/4, 3/8, and 1/2 thread. I then use the proper sized > threaded eye loops. > I ran a 46" long section of channel on the floor down each side of my tub. [ 7 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Fri Aug 9 18:38:17 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g79McHU06753 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 18:38:17 -0400 Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 18:38:17 -0400 Message-Id: <200208092238.g79McHd06749@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Tie downs Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Guys... I mentioned these YEARS ago: they're the very same thing that's used on aircraft cargo pallets! The people that market the Hi Lift jacks were selling them for a while, though I don't know if they still are. The last few years I worked at British Airways, I gathered up a few of the single ring mounts to put in Gillian - they're around here somewhere...I even have lashing rings and aircraft cargo straps that lock onto these rails. Charles On Fri, 9 Aug 2002 18:01:37 -0400 "Peter Hope" writes: > > There is a sysem used in buildings for hanging pipes, conduit, what > have ya. > It's a rolled metal channel about 1x2 that forms the T slot. Has > holes > drilled down the back side for mounting. Most of the attachments > for this > stuff are circular brackets for pipes and all, but one thing they do > make [ 19 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Fri Aug 9 19:15:32 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g79NFWW06944 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 19:15:32 -0400 Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 19:15:32 -0400 Message-Id: <200208092315.g79NFW306940@minbar.fourfold.org> From: shukait@mac.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Fremont PD - warning on parked 109sw Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org fil, It always boils down to that one A-HOLE neighbor. We had this guy on our block that knew all his "rights". We'd come home from a camping trip with the Airstream and he'd call the cops the second my time was up. He finally moved and nobody's had any trouble since... ...GOOD RIDDENS!!!!! He was retired and spent all his time minding everyone else's business. Oh, and this was the same guy that shut down my contractor during our remodel because the site "was unsafe". After Cupertino Code Enforcement made me put yellow tape across the front yard we could resume work. The rest of my neighbors are great and every Labor Day we close the street and have a great Block Party BBQ. Cheers, Keith & Pam Shukait Northern California Rover Club 1997 Land Rover Discovery I XD "YLLWJKT" 1969 Land Rover Series IIA ExMoD 109 Regular "Millie" 1967 Land Rover Series IIA NADA 6 Cylinder Dormobile "Indiana" From bens Fri Aug 9 19:23:00 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g79NN0H06976 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 19:23:00 -0400 Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 19:22:59 -0400 Message-Id: <200208092322.g79NMxk06972@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Bruce R. Bonar" To: Bruce Bonar Subject: TEST Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org TEST From bens Fri Aug 9 19:31:30 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g79NVUE07024 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 19:31:30 -0400 Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 19:31:30 -0400 Message-Id: <200208092331.g79NVUd07020@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Peter Hope" To: Subject: Re: Tie downs Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > Guys... > > I mentioned these YEARS ago: they're the very same thing that's used on > aircraft cargo pallets! The people that market the Hi Lift jacks were > selling them for a while, though I don't know if they still are. > Charles, If these are the same thing that we use with military pallets, then they are very similar...but the milspec stuff is sooo much better then my home do :) Craig, yeah I think they do go by the name unistrut. I am currently running a PU cab on the 88 and am going to run a couple more along the body cappings. Then get one of those pickup bed nylon strap nets. Similar to pallet netting, but made from 1" straps. Pete From bens Fri Aug 9 19:35:10 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g79NZA707052 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 19:35:10 -0400 Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 19:35:09 -0400 Message-Id: <200208092335.g79NZ9h07048@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Peter Hope" To: Subject: Re: Fremont PD - warning on parked 109sw Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > up. He finally moved and nobody's had any trouble since... ...GOOD > RIDDENS!!!!! I ahm bi know means a gewd spellah, lawd nows. So no slam is intended to Kieth. But is that how it's spelled? I thought it was ridence....and of course that doesn't look correct either. Ridents, ridends ??????? Pete From bens Fri Aug 9 19:35:32 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g79NZWP07076 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 19:35:32 -0400 Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 19:35:32 -0400 Message-Id: <200208092335.g79NZWN07072@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Peter Hope" To: Subject: PASSED Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce R. Bonar" To: "Bruce Bonar" Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 4:22 PM Subject: TEST From bens Fri Aug 9 20:39:29 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7A0dTH07302 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 20:39:29 -0400 Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 20:39:29 -0400 Message-Id: <200208100039.g7A0dTV07298@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Meteor night! ( not much LR ) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- Charles R Irvin wrote: > > No no no no no!!!!!!!!! > > I have a good friend that for some unknown reason, has > decided that > basket-case Maseratis are the end-all, be-all, of human > existance. > (especially when they're missing all the important and > "unobtanium" [ 1 additional quoted lines pruned. ] Didn't Paul just pick a couple more a couple months ago? Paul(who would love an old maserati) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From bens Fri Aug 9 20:42:02 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7A0g2Z07333 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 20:42:02 -0400 Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 20:42:02 -0400 Message-Id: <200208100042.g7A0g2807329@minbar.fourfold.org> From: David Guinivere To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Fremont PD - warning on parked 109sw Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" ] [ 46 lines filtered. ] --=====================_6600501==_.ALT =0D=0D At 07:35 PM 8/9/2002 -0400, you wrote:=0D=0D =0D=0D > > up. He finally moved and nobody's had any trouble since... ...GOOD= =0D=0D > > RIDDENS!!!!!=0D=0D >=0D=0D >I ahm bi know means a gewd spellah, lawd nows.=0D=0D >So no slam is intended to Kieth.=0D=0D >But is that how it's spelled? I thought it was ridence....and of course= =0D=0D >that doesn't look correct either. Ridents, ridends=0D=0D >???????=0D=0D >Pete=0D=0D =0D=0D Pete,=0D=0D =0D=0D Yeah... I agree "ridence" sounds right, but doesn't look right. Sooo= =0D=0D according to dictionary.com....=0D=0D =0D=0D rid=B7dance Pronunciation Key (rdns)=0D=0D n.=0D=0D =0D=0D 1. A deliverance from or removal of something unwanted or undesirable:=0D= =0D =93Compeyson took it easy as a good riddance for both sides=94 =0D= =0D (Charles Dickens).=0D=0D =0D=0D 2. The act of ridding:=0D=0D riddance of household pests.=0D=0D =0D=0D -DTG=0D=0D --=====================_6600501==_.ALT From bens Fri Aug 9 21:38:14 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7A1cEI07567 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 21:38:14 -0400 Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 21:38:14 -0400 Message-Id: <200208100138.g7A1cEp07563@minbar.fourfold.org> From: David Guinivere To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Lets Try that again...Re: Fremont PD - warning on parked 109sw Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Sorry Eudora freaked out.... should have been: At 07:35 PM 8/9/2002 -0400, you wrote: > > up. He finally moved and nobody's had any trouble since... ...GOOD > > RIDDENS!!!!! > >I ahm bi know means a gewd spellah, lawd nows. >So no slam is intended to Kieth. >But is that how it's spelled? I thought it was ridence....and of course >that doesn't look correct either. Ridents, ridends >??????? >Pete Pete, Yeah... I agree "ridence" sounds right, but doesn't look right. Sooo according to dictionary.com.... rid'dance Pronunciation Key (rdns) noun 1. A deliverance from or removal of something unwanted or undesirable: "Compeyson took it easy as a good riddance for both sides" (Charles Dickens). 2. The act of ridding: riddance of household pests. -DTG At 07:35 PM 8/9/2002 -0400, you wrote: =0D=0D > > up. He finally moved and nobody's had any trouble since... ...GOOD= =0D=0D > > RIDDENS!!!!!=0D=0D >=0D=0D >I ahm bi know means a gewd spellah, lawd nows.=0D=0D >So no slam is intended to Kieth.=0D=0D >But is that how it's spelled? I thought it was ridence....and of course= =0D=0D >that doesn't look correct either. Ridents, ridends=0D=0D >???????=0D=0D >Pete=0D=0D =0D=0D Pete,=0D=0D =0D=0D Yeah... I agree "ridence" sounds right, but doesn't look right. Sooo= =0D=0D according to dictionary.com....=0D=0D =0D=0D rid=B7dance Pronunciation Key (rdns)=0D=0D n.=0D=0D =0D=0D 1. A deliverance from or removal of something unwanted or undesirable:=0D= =0D =93Compeyson took it easy as a good riddance for both sides=94 =0D= =0D (Charles Dickens).=0D=0D =0D=0D 2. The act of ridding:=0D=0D riddance of household pests.=0D=0D =0D=0D -DTG=0D=0D --=====================_6600501==_.ALT From bens Sat Aug 10 01:08:50 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7A58oJ09714 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 01:08:50 -0400 Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 01:08:50 -0400 Message-Id: <200208100508.g7A58oJ09710@minbar.fourfold.org> From: James Howard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Tie downs Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org On Fri, 9 Aug 2002, craig reece wrote: > Were the tracks flush with the floor or above it? If not flush, one could > buy some from Saab and install them in any Rover - if flush, that becomes > more difficult of course. Sounds like a very nice system. Flush, but I imagine they do not have to be. They also had plastic trim strips to put over them when you were not using them. In a Rover, that would be to keep dirt out when you are hauling bags of mulch. From bens Sat Aug 10 01:10:50 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7A5AoS09747 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 01:10:50 -0400 Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 01:10:50 -0400 Message-Id: <200208100510.g7A5Aol09743@minbar.fourfold.org> From: James Howard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Tie downs Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Unistrut! Why didn't I think of that. We just happen to have some short lengths in the trash at work! On Fri, 9 Aug 2002, craig reece wrote: > > Peter, > > I think you're talking about UniStrut - and that's a clever use for it. > > Craig > > Peter Hope wrote: > [ 11 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Sat Aug 10 02:57:14 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7A6vEV10139 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 02:57:14 -0400 Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 02:57:14 -0400 Message-Id: <200208100657.g7A6vEI10135@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Blair Peterson" To: "Mendo (E-mail)" Subject: I just made a bigger hole in the ozone? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Today I lost the R12 charge in the 110's AC system. I had just pulled into my destination and was finishing up a call (AC on full blast-- bloody hot out there!) and noticed some wispy white "smoke" coming up from the grill. Pulse went up, glanced at the gauges: temp fine (low, even), oil pressure fine. Shut it down quick while thoughts of another blown plastic rad plug or worse, Fil's D90 oil fire, came to mind. Grabbed my extinguisher and jumped out. The color made me think steam, but no coolant smell, was too wispy for smoke then got closer and saw a jet of condensing R12/oil mist coming out of a pinhole in the receiver tank. Bummer. Disconnected the compressor leads and opened all 6 windows before continuing my trip... Question: should I make the switch to R134a? I understand it can be done without swapping out major components like the compressor, thermo-expansion valve, etc. Just need to get all the R12 oil out and change some fittings and seals? What do people recommend? I have heard the cost of an R12 re-fill (since it is a 'banned gas') is more than the mods and refill of R134a combined. The D110 is not exactly going to freeze anyone with the original AC-- is there a noticable (for a car) cooling capacity loss with R134a? In my former company (an intermodal container lessor) we converted a lot of reefer units from R12 to 134a but it required higher capacity compressors to maintain cooling capacity in addition to several system flushes and evacuations to remove all traces of the R12 oil since it is not soluable in 134a (or vice versa?). But keeping a couple hundred thousand bucks worth of shrimp frozen or fresh asparagus cool is a bigger deal I guess. Any suggestions welcome, tks. From bens Sat Aug 10 03:09:04 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7A794X10193 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 03:09:04 -0400 Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 03:09:03 -0400 Message-Id: <200208100709.g7A793410189@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Tom Walsh" To: Subject: Re: Meteor Night ( directions ) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Heres the directions From rt 9 & Saratoga village ( IE: go up rt 9 towards skyline, not towards Los Gatos Town center ) or near 280 & 85 IE: penninsula... for east bay/880 see the bottom of the message 20037 Beatty Ridge Rd Los Gatos Ca, 95033 Go upBig Basin way through Saratoga Village and all the way up the hill to Skyline Blvd. Skyline is the only stop sign at the top of the hill. Turn left onto Skyline. Continue on Skyline past Castle Rock Park, past the funky metal mailbox & the guy who has alot of junk in his yard! keep going a mile or so then take a right at Las Cumbres (small green sign) on the right. If you come to a fork in the road at Black Rd, you've gone too far. Continue down Las Cumbres Rd. past the long row of mail boxes & fire station and community center. When you come to the first Y ( not "T" turn, as you pass a few, but "Y" ), Beatty Ridge Rd is to the right. Turn right on Beatty Ridge Rd, then take an immediate left into our driveway. (marked Swanson & Walsh with an Alain Pinnel sign ) Follow the driveway straight, to the end. You can't miss the Land Rovers at the end of the driveway (408)354-1745 Conversly you can type my address into Yahoo maps and it will give directions from rt 17 via black rd if that is easier. ( PS black rd is a skinny sometimes one lane road, not to be taken to lightly! ) PS:... at night watch for deer ( their eye reflections , or their whight butts! ... they come in groups :) From bens Sat Aug 10 03:10:46 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7A7Akw10229 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 03:10:46 -0400 Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 03:10:46 -0400 Message-Id: <200208100710.g7A7AkE10225@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Roger Sinasohn To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Tie downs - UniStrut Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Take a look at -- I think that's what you're talking about. Looks extremely spiffy! --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger@sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/ From bens Sat Aug 10 03:10:50 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7A7Aoe10243 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 03:10:50 -0400 Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 03:10:50 -0400 Message-Id: <200208100710.g7A7Aoe10239@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Roger Sinasohn To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Sad Sighting Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Rachel and I (and Jared) are in Sacto this weekend for our annual school supplies buying spree. We were walking out of the hotel in Rancho Cordova to go next door for some food when we spotted a car going down the pretty much deserted road way too fast. We commented on it to each other, and immediately after heard a loud scrash (combo of a scrunch and a crash). (Not a screeeeeeeecrash, just a scrash.) We looked down to the end of the block and saw a police car pull out from the gas station on the corner with its lights on. It seemed pretty obvious what had happened -- the car we had seen had hit something. There weren't any other cars headed that way from where we were, so if the accident involved a car coming from our direction, it had to have been the one we saw. We went into Lyon's and ordered (godawful food, but it's close to the hotel). Then we spotted the fire truck and ambulance. So, while our food was being over-cooked and otherwise made inedible (who in their right mind puts parsley on cottage cheese?), we wandered down to offer our account of what happened. It turns out that there were two cars waiting at a red light and another car (the one we saw) had come up and slammed into them without even slowing down. A young girl (early 20's maybe) was taken away on a backboard with her car totalled. The guy that hit her (causing her to hit the car in front of her and push it into the intersection) was so drunk that he didn't even realize he'd been in an accident. Luckily, several Sac county sheriffs happened to be at the gas station on the corner. The relevant part of this is that apparently the girl had called her family who showed up almost immediately. One of the vehicles was a red Disco with the plate R RED RVR. So, if the owner is on this list, or if anyone knows who that might be, please extend our sincerest best wishes, and let the girl know our thoughts are with her. If there is anything we can do (like talking to the insurance or whatever) please let me know. Drunk drivers should get a root canal on every tooth in their mouth without anesthesia. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger@sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/ From bens Sat Aug 10 09:29:01 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7ADT1L11627 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 09:29:01 -0400 Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 09:29:00 -0400 Message-Id: <200208101329.g7ADT0n11623@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kevin Kelly" To: "Mendo List" Subject: Door Dings/Vehicle Armor Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Bruce wrote: > Body Armor. Stella, D90 SW, has side steps that protect > the doors I have a friend who parks on the street in the city and he was having people hit him all the time as they were trying to parallel park. He bought the biggest longest drop hitches he could find for both his front and rear receivers and locked them in with locking pins. Now if anyone gets within a foot of his Pathfinder they do major damage to their own car. Kevin From bens Sat Aug 10 10:31:06 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7AEV6011872 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 10:31:06 -0400 Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 10:31:06 -0400 Message-Id: <200208101431.g7AEV6E11868@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Cc: BPeterson@InterAsset.com Subject: Re: I just made a bigger hole in the ozone? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi Blair, When I repaired the A/C in the 77 Chev pickup, I discovered and used FrigC. FR12. There was an 800 number in an ad in the Wheels and Deals a few years ago that I saved. It runs at close to the same pressure as R12. Only need to add a small amount of newer compressor oil to the old stuff already in there, then the FRIGC. Then a minor adjustment to the valve. Instructions came with it. They have a website and it is used by a lot of larger commercial installations. http://www.refimax.com/products/fr12.htm The price was very good. The engineer I talked to on the phone couldn't find a distributor closer than 100 miles, (Sacto area) so he shipped the needed stuff directly to me including the fitting adapters needed.And a can puncturer with filler hose also. Best part is he wasn't set up to be a sales dept, so he didn't want any money. I believe the price is close to R134. The chev A/C was excellent with this stuff. At his suggestion, I went online and got certified for Freon. So I can now buy R12 etc legally. Just can't afford the stuff. Blair, If you decide to get the stuff and they require a certificate #, I'll send you mine. Whne I got mine, there was a note on the site that mentioned a certificate, but he didn't require it, though they might now. Bob B At 11:57 PM 8/9/2002, you wrote: >Today I lost the R12 charge in the 110's AC system. I had just pulled into >my destination and was finishing up a call (AC on full blast-- bloody hot >out there!) and noticed some wispy white "smoke" coming up from the grill. >Pulse went up, glanced at the gauges: temp fine (low, even), oil pressure >fine. Shut it down quick while thoughts of another blown plastic rad plug >or worse, Fil's D90 oil fire, came to mind. Grabbed my extinguisher and >jumped out. The color made me think steam, but no coolant smell, was too >wispy for smoke then got closer and saw a jet of condensing R12/oil mist >coming out of a pinhole in the receiver tank. Bummer. Disconnected the [ 20 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Sat Aug 10 11:02:33 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7AF2Xr12030 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 11:02:33 -0400 Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 11:02:33 -0400 Message-Id: <200208101502.g7AF2XM12026@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Sad Sighting Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Wow! That kind of accident always puts butterflies in your stomach. It's scary thinking about the numbskull drivers out there that are blind drunk/stoned and no idea where they are. I witnessed a crash from a NAPA store in Paradise where an elderly lady had a stroke or something. She floored the gas and knocked a car out of the way a quarter mile up the street, then plowed into two cars at the intersection where I was. No noise until the crash then squealing of tires as she spun around after hitting the first car then bounced into the second car. The first car was a Bronco2 which was sitting still, It spun and rolled several times. Bronco driver had no seatbelt on so he ended up in the field next to his car. There were a lot of pills all over the place from the bronco and the driver disappeared a day later after he got out of the hospital. About your comments on Lyons food, When I was still working, I drove a LOT. So there were a lot of that type of place for lunch. In the Bay area, I liked Carrows once in a while for the BBQ, but they took a turn toward Dennys quality. I considered Lyons a small step above Dennys. Which was mostly terrible. There was a very good chain in the North state (Susanville,Redding,Woodland,Fairfield,etc) called, "can't remember the name" but Dennys bought them and they went downhill then also. Bob B At 12:10 AM 8/10/2002, you wrote: >Rachel and I (and Jared) are in Sacto this weekend for our annual school >supplies buying spree. We were walking out of the hotel in Rancho Cordova >to go next door for some food when we spotted a car going down the pretty >much deserted road way too fast. We commented on it to each other, and >immediately after heard a loud scrash (combo of a scrunch and a >crash). (Not a screeeeeeeecrash, just a scrash.) > >We looked down to the end of the block and saw a police car pull out from >the gas station on the corner with its lights on. It seemed pretty obvious [ 33 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Sat Aug 10 11:15:46 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7AFFk912092 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 11:15:46 -0400 Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 11:15:46 -0400 Message-Id: <200208101515.g7AFFkj12088@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kevin Kelly" To: "Mendo List" Subject: AC Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Blair wrote: >I just made a bigger hole in the ozone? >condensing R12/oil mist coming out of a >pinhole in the receiver tank Keep quiet about this in Marin (if don't want a couple VW bus loads of protestors out in front of your house)... >Question: should I make the switch to R134a? R134a does not work as well as R12 and there are often other problems that pop up when you switch to R134a. I would check the cost and unless a R12 refill was way more expensive than the R134a swap I would stick with R12. I last had to make the decision a few years back with my 535i (when R12 cost less), the R12 had just been banned and was just a little more expensive (about $50) and it was worth it to me, but I would not have spent an extra $300 to be a little cooler (since I don't use the AC much anyway living in SF). Kevin Who will be using the AC a lot in the next couple hours driving to Lake Berryessa... From bens Sat Aug 10 11:37:11 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7AFbBn12172 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 11:37:11 -0400 Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 11:37:10 -0400 Message-Id: <200208101537.g7AFbAN12168@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: AC Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi, Something I heard about 134, The higher pressure it runs at can destroy your older parts one at a time. BTW I heard there is a fire burning at Lake Berryessa. Bob B At 08:15 AM 8/10/2002, you wrote: >Blair wrote: > > >I just made a bigger hole in the ozone? > >condensing R12/oil mist coming out of a > >pinhole in the receiver tank > >Keep quiet about this in Marin (if don't want a couple VW bus loads of >protestors out in front of your house)... > [ 14 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Sat Aug 10 12:29:12 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7AGTCc12371 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 12:29:12 -0400 Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 12:29:12 -0400 Message-Id: <200208101629.g7AGTCE12367@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Zaxcoinc@aol.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Sad Sighting Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset="US-ASCII" ] [ 13 lines filtered. ] In a message dated 8/10/02 12:11:20 AM Pacific Daylight Time, roger@sinasohn.com writes: > Drunk drivers should get a root canal on every tooth in their mouth without > anesthesia. > > > As the preliminary introduction to a long punishment. Zack From bens Sat Aug 10 13:06:32 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7AH6Wi12537 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 13:06:32 -0400 Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 13:06:32 -0400 Message-Id: <200208101706.g7AH6Wc12533@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Meteor night! ( not much LR ) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org On Fri, 9 Aug 2002 20:39:29 -0400 Paul Archibald writes: > > Didn't Paul just pick a couple more a couple months ago? Sure did, and he also picked up a running Mistral that needs everything cosmetic: he's FINALLY come to the conclusion that he'd be better off without them, and by the end of the year, he should begin looking for a series 88"! He's got the engine back in the prototype, and is trying to have that car ready for Monterey (next weekend - or the weekend after???), for the sole purpose of selling it! > > Paul(who would love an old maserati) ...no you wouldn't...you're unemployed and can't afford even a Land Rover - imagine what shape you'd be in being unemployed and trying to afford a '58 Maserati that's missing: windshield - $1500 Lucas fuel injection - $2500 decent gearbox - $4000 Borrani wheels - $1200 each... distributor cap $500 generator - $1000 for a good core! interior - gotta have it made, because there are NO kits ...multiply this by 5, and you've got the beginnings of Paul's backyard! There's also the Ferrari 250PF coupe that has a blown engine ($25,000 - you can buy the shop manual to DIY, but you gotta know Italian...the English ones they don't sell to the public!) No thanks, but I am hoping he'll make me a deal on the '67 Lamborghini 400GT...now THAT - I can live with! Charles ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Sat Aug 10 16:15:12 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7AKFCf13314 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 16:15:12 -0400 Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 16:15:12 -0400 Message-Id: <200208102015.g7AKFCB13310@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Clayton Kirkwood" To: Subject: RE: Sad Sighting Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 53 lines filtered. ] Brookfields??? From bens Sat Aug 10 16:24:32 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7AKOWi13354 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 16:24:32 -0400 Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 16:24:32 -0400 Message-Id: <200208102024.g7AKOWp13350@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE:Staraunt chain Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org No, We had them up here also but not them. Bob b At 01:15 PM 8/10/2002, you wrote: > [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] > [ Included Original Message ] > [ 53 lines filtered. ] >Brookfields??? From bens Sat Aug 10 16:34:40 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7AKYej13402 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 16:34:40 -0400 Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 16:34:40 -0400 Message-Id: <200208102034.g7AKYeY13398@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE:Staraunt chain Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org OK, I think it was Country Kitchen that Dennys bought and ruined into one of their own. Bob B At 01:15 PM 8/10/2002, you wrote: > [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] > [ Included Original Message ] > [ 53 lines filtered. ] >Brookfields??? From bens Sat Aug 10 17:04:57 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7AL4vc13536 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 17:04:57 -0400 Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 17:04:56 -0400 Message-Id: <200208102104.g7AL4us13532@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE:Staraunt chain Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Ok again,,, Now it came back! It was Colony Kitchen. Bob B OK, I think it was Country Kitchen that Dennys bought and ruined into one of their own. Bob B At 01:15 PM 8/10/2002, you wrote: > [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] > [ Included Original Message ] > [ 53 lines filtered. ] >Brookfields??? From bens Sat Aug 10 18:23:17 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7AMNHn13826 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 18:23:17 -0400 Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 18:23:16 -0400 Message-Id: <200208102223.g7AMNGj13822@minbar.fourfold.org> From: john hess To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: low octane fuel Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I've been using "The Outlaw" in the Mercury. It stopped pinging better than the other brand available at Kragens. One bottle for 16 gallons of gas. I'd gladly switch to better if it's available from a local shop. cheers > [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] > [ text/html; ] > [ 26 lines filtered. ] >This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand >this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. > > charset="iso-8859-1" > >Thinking about that low-octane fuel stop in Gerlach - does anyone have a [ 5 additional quoted lines pruned. ] John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Land Rover Dormobile web pages: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby" 1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" 1999 Bianchi Milano, 2001 Bianchi Pista, 2000 Merlin Extra Fat 2002 Meridian Attache Softride Tandem From bens Sat Aug 10 18:47:41 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7AMlf313926 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 18:47:41 -0400 Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 18:47:40 -0400 Message-Id: <200208102247.g7AMlec13922@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Peter Ogilvie To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE:Staraunt chain Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Kona is getting big time, we now have a Denny's. Can't for the life of me figure out why or how they have apparently done so well. Went there twice because my son's girl friend was a waitress. Food was mediocre, at best, but they did supply more than the daily grease component. Would much rather hit Subway. It's cheaper, the food tastes better and its healthier. If I was one of those black's that Denny's discriminated against, I'd consider they did me a favor. Aloha Peter O. > I think it was Country Kitchen that Dennys bought > and ruined into one of > their own. > > Bob B > > At 01:15 PM 8/10/2002, you wrote: > > > [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ 4 additional quoted lines pruned. ] __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From bens Sun Aug 11 01:18:39 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7B5Id416693 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 01:18:39 -0400 Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 01:18:39 -0400 Message-Id: <200208110518.g7B5Idl16689@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Tom Walsh" To: Subject: Re: Meteor Night Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Wife and kids are fine! Just keep an eye on em on our porch ( its almost 3 stories down!!! ) Our Kid is still in its unopened original packaging ( ala my wife ) :) Any special food/drink requests? TomW ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 10:33 AM Subject: Re: Meteor Night > > Tom, > > Count me in! Can I bring the wife and kids? Zachary age 10 and Liam > age 3? If it's just an adult thing that's ok too. Let me know. > > Cheers, > > Keith & Pam Sukait [ 6 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Sun Aug 11 01:20:33 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7B5KXx16724 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 01:20:33 -0400 Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 01:20:32 -0400 Message-Id: <200208110520.g7B5KWL16720@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Tom Walsh" To: Subject: Re: Meteor Night Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Some more intersting meteor stuff On the night of shower maximum, the Perseid radiant is not far from the famous "Double Star Cluster" of Perseus. Low in the northeast during the early evening, it rises higher in the sky until morning twilight ends observing. Meteors appearing close to the radiant have foreshortened tracks; those appearing farther away are often brighter, have longer tracks, and move faster across the sky because of our view of their trajectory. About five to 10 additional meteors in any given hour will not fit the geometric pattern of the Perseids and may be classified as sporadic meteors or as members of some other lesser shower. Perseid activity increases sharply in the hours after midnight, so plan your observing times accordingly. If time is short, you can simply set your alarm for 3 a.m. and watch the last couple hours of the event. We are then looking more nearly face-on into the direction of the Earth's motion as it orbits the Sun, and the radiant is also higher up, so viewing conditions are optimal Near the height of the annual Perseid meteor shower this year, another sky event provides a simple opportunity for anyone to spot a planet and identify a star or two. On Sunday Aug. 11, the Moon and Venus will hover relatively close to one another very near the western horizon in the evening. You won't even need a compass: Just go out and find the leftover glow of sunset. In that glow, Venus and the Moon will emerge. Both objects will be on their way down and will set early, so there is a tiny time window during which to see them in the fading twilight. By 9 p.m., they should be plainly visible to anyone with an unobstructed view of the horizon and a cloud-free sky. Sharp-eyed viewers in rural locations away from city lights could see them earlier. TomW... bring your binocs or telescope! From bens Sun Aug 11 01:34:54 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7B5YsL16775 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 01:34:54 -0400 Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 01:34:54 -0400 Message-Id: <200208110534.g7B5YsI16771@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Keith Shukait To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Good Riddance Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org David and Pete, Thanks I can't spell for beans, it took me for ever to send out that email. I asked everyone in the office how to spell it and nobody knew. I went from high school to the Army, to the Air Force, to pumping gas, to shipping and receiving, to a network engineer for Apple. During my four years in shipping and receiving I paid for a lot of networking courses and did volunteer work at local schools. It only took 20 years to get a good job... ...should've went to college. Everyone says it's never too late to go, but with a wife, 2 kids and my travel schedule for work there's no time. I want to spend time with the boys now and after they move out I'll go back to school. Oh the money I could be making if I went to college. How's that for more info than you needed! :^) Keith From bens Sun Aug 11 11:45:50 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7BFjoA19249 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 11:45:50 -0400 Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 11:45:50 -0400 Message-Id: <200208111545.g7BFjoV19245@minbar.fourfold.org> From: craig reece To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Good Riddance Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Keith, I've noticed that good spelling, or lack of it, has nothing to do with intelligence - in fact, there may be an inverse relationship. Some of the most creative people I know can't spell. Craig Keith Shukait wrote: > David and Pete, > > Thanks I can't spell for beans, it took me for ever to send out that > email. I asked everyone in the office how to spell it and nobody knew. > I went from high school to the Army, to the Air Force, to pumping gas, > to shipping and receiving, to a network engineer for Apple. During my > four years in shipping and receiving I paid for a lot of networking > courses and did volunteer work at local schools. It only took 20 years > to get a good job... ...should've went to college. Everyone says it's [ 8 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Sun Aug 11 13:18:15 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7BHIFj19625 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 13:18:15 -0400 Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 13:18:15 -0400 Message-Id: <200208111718.g7BHIFt19621@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "tim boorman" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: New boy (with a dodgy accent!!) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi there Thourght i'd send a quick e-mail to say hi and introduce myself. I've just come over to California from the UK and will be working here for the next year (currently living in Mountain View) Unfortunatly its ment that i've had to leave my Land Rover behind sat on the driveway and i'm missing it like mad (Defender 90 200 Tdi), but i thourght that whilst i'm out here for a year it would be cool to hook up with some American land Rover nuts! I sent an e-mail to Jeff Rogers and he arranged a meeting at the Kings Head in Campbell (an English pub - excellent choice!!) which was cool, it was really nice to check out some trucks and talk Land Rover again! I was supposed to be coming on the trip this weekend, but i just recieved an e-mail from my sister in law; she's just landed herself a new job and is coming to Cupertino on tuesaday through to saturday to meet everyone - so unfortunatly its ment i wont be able to tag along this weekend - but i'll definatly be up for the next trip. Well thats me just about introduced, like i say i'm here for a year and at the moment most of my weekend are free (basically cos i don't know anyone!!!!!) so if anyone fancy's hooking up some time for a pint or needs a hand working on there truck give us a shout. look forward to meeting some of you soon, Best regards - Tim _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From bens Sun Aug 11 13:33:57 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7BHXvH19704 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 13:33:57 -0400 Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 13:33:57 -0400 Message-Id: <200208111733.g7BHXvR19700@minbar.fourfold.org> From: joe mulqueen To: mendo Subject: re.I just made a bigger hole in the ozone? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I say recharge with R12. It's not as rare and expensive as the "converts" say. R134 will make for slightly less cooling ability, also. I recently had my '82 Jaguar recharged (after I changed a leaky heater core). I'm happy. Joe Mulqueen Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 02:57:14 -0400 From: "Blair Peterson" Subject: I just made a bigger hole in the ozone? Today I lost the R12 charge in the 110's AC system. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From bens Sun Aug 11 13:46:07 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7BHk7a19781 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 13:46:07 -0400 Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 13:46:07 -0400 Message-Id: <200208111746.g7BHk7v19777@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Turner, Jon [LFS]" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: Re: New boy (with a dodgy accent!!) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 151 lines filtered. ] This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. Hey Tim - welcome! Maybe you can join us the next weekend for the pcinic at Hollister? Jon -------------------------- Jon Turner LifeScan, Inc. 408.956.4457 sent via Blackberry From bens Sun Aug 11 13:49:30 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7BHnUH19798 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 13:49:30 -0400 Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 13:49:30 -0400 Message-Id: <200208111749.g7BHnUW19794@minbar.fourfold.org> From: craig reece To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: re.I just made a bigger hole in the ozone? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I had my '87 Mercedes diesel wagon converted to R134 and gets ice cold. I vote for preserving the ozone. Craig joe mulqueen wrote: > I say recharge with R12. It's not as rare and > expensive as the "converts" say. R134 will make for > slightly less cooling ability, also. I recently had > my '82 Jaguar recharged (after I changed a leaky > heater core). > I'm happy. > Joe Mulqueen > > Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 02:57:14 -0400 [ 9 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Sun Aug 11 14:06:11 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7BI6BO19918 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 14:06:11 -0400 Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 14:06:11 -0400 Message-Id: <200208111806.g7BI6BR19914@minbar.fourfold.org> From: john hess To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: re.I just made a bigger hole in the ozone? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Filling your heater core with R12 pretty much explains why the Jag heater doesn't work very well. But, in the Mercury, we have spent ?300 bucks to bring the cooling system up to snuff and recharge it with R12. I would have need a bigger compressor, so as long as the original parts were good, we went with recharge. cheers, >I say recharge with R12. It's not as rare and >expensive as the "converts" say. R134 will make for >slightly less cooling ability, also. I recently had >my '82 Jaguar recharged (after I changed a leaky >heater core). >I'm happy. >Joe Mulqueen > John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Land Rover Dormobile web pages: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby" 1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" 1999 Bianchi Milano, 2001 Bianchi Pista, 2000 Merlin Extra Fat 2002 Meridian Attache Softride Tandem From bens Sun Aug 11 15:06:13 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7BJ6Dd20170 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 15:06:13 -0400 Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 15:06:13 -0400 Message-Id: <200208111906.g7BJ6Dc20166@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Peter Hope" To: Subject: Re: Good Riddance Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Kieth, seriously I didn't want to try and be a post police, just wasn't sure of it myself. :) From bens Sun Aug 11 17:27:08 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7BLR8i20746 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 17:27:08 -0400 Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 17:27:07 -0400 Message-Id: <200208112127.g7BLR7j20742@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Peter Ogilvie To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: re.I just made a bigger hole in the ozone? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org According to my Mercedes mechanic, converting to R134 is much easier than working with R12. He says there is a stop leak additive that you can add to R134 that cures most small leaks in the sytem. It can't be used with R12, however. For him, this stop leak additive solves his biggest headache which is the cost of replacing leaking parts that are inaccesible except with a major dismantle of the car's interior. He claims it cures most A/C problems that can't be easily fixed. It's been awhile since we talked about the A/C but believe he said the all up cost of conversion was only around $400. Believe you only have to change one or two components in the system and buy the refrigerant, the rest of the cost is labor. Of course if you have massive leaks, non functioning compressor, etc. costs will be slightly higher. R134 conversion on an '83 Mercedes 300D has no problem coping with the heat here. We almost never see temps over 90 degrees but it's not a dry heat, so may not work so well in the balmy mainland summer temp's. Aloha Peter O. --- craig reece wrote: > > I had my '87 Mercedes diesel wagon converted to R134 > and gets ice cold. > I vote for preserving the ozone. > > Craig > > joe mulqueen wrote: > [ 13 additional quoted lines pruned. ] __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From bens Sun Aug 11 17:46:21 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7BLkLD20833 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 17:46:21 -0400 Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 17:46:21 -0400 Message-Id: <200208112146.g7BLkLw20829@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Tom Walsh" To: Subject: More meteor stuff Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Just trying to figure out who's definately coming ( so we can get the food quantity correct ) So far these folks have expressed an interest... if your on the list and have not said you're definately coming... leme know either way. Unanounced drop ins are OK also, but we may not have enough food to properly feed or libate you. So if your not on the list and wanna just show up, you could bring a burger or bottle of wine, water, whatever, no probs! Casey McMullen Shannon Holland Stirling Anderson Jason Pipes Keith, Pam & Kids Shukait Paul Archibald Bob Anderson Seb Rion Danial Oppenhiem & Nate Thanks TomW ( 408 ) 354-1745 ..... leme know if you need more directions then what I sent out the other day From bens Sun Aug 11 18:04:39 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7BM4dc20911 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 18:04:39 -0400 Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 18:04:38 -0400 Message-Id: <200208112204.g7BM4c120907@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Peter Ogilvie To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Good Riddance Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org We just spent close to six figures sending our son to two of the best Universities in the Country. He managed to graduate with honors and was also in the top 2% of his graduating class in High School. Can guarantee his grades had nothing to do with his spelling ability. If it wasn't for computer spell checking, you'd think he was illiterate. A great kid but his spelling is a major embarrassment to his English teacher Mom. Don't sweat the small stuff. Also don't sweat a college degree. It's only an entrance requirement for some jobs. It's more a socialization process and a way to escape reality for many 18 year olds. Technical degrees are another story but my history degree is about as useful as, hell, having a hard time thinking of something that's as worthless. One of the smartest guys I know is an 8th grade drop out. Went to work as an auto mechanic at 14 and had become a decent machinist by the time he lied his way way into the Navy at 16. The navy wouldn't send him to school for higher level trade skills because of his lack of a HS diploma. He was so good at fixing things, his first skipper pulled strings and got him into ordinance school. Believe he made Chief at the tender age of 21 by the time the war ended. Helped develop exotic weapons systems. His wife, at the time, was not enamored of the Navy so he turned down a chance to have the Navy send him to College. He became an Indy car mechanic/machinist after the war, then a building contractor. He can figure out the math for cutting roof rafters faster than most people can say Trigonometry. Even nearing 80 and long since retired, many of the good contractors rely on him to figure out complicated roof systems on the modest multi million dollar houses that are all the rage, now. Knowing Peter H., he meant nothing more than wanting to know the correct spelling of riddance. He's a boot strap kind of guy himself. Just got his degree in computers at a not so tender age. Aloha Peter O. --- craig reece wrote: > > Keith, > > I've noticed that good spelling, or lack of it, has > nothing to do with > intelligence - in fact, there may be an inverse > relationship. Some of the > most creative people I know can't spell. > [ 22 additional quoted lines pruned. ] __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From bens Sun Aug 11 18:28:45 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7BMSjn21033 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 18:28:45 -0400 Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 18:28:45 -0400 Message-Id: <200208112228.g7BMSjI21029@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Aloha Rovers" To: Subject: Re: RE:Staraunt chain Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > Would much rather hit Subway. > It's cheaper, the food tastes better and its > healthier. I hear ya. Just back from 2 weeks on Oahu for work. 14-18 hour days the whole time so no way to get over to Kona. I figured that instead of eating hotdogs from the exchange everyday I would instead run down to the Subway next to Aloha Stadium and do my lunches and dinners from there. Figure if it worked so well for that guy on TV.... well long story short, or maybe wide, I gained 15 pounds. Doah. hahahahaa Pete From bens Sun Aug 11 18:47:25 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7BMlPG21120 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 18:47:25 -0400 Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 18:47:25 -0400 Message-Id: <200208112247.g7BMlPv21116@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: More meteor stuff Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I'd LOVE to attend, but I'm working on another "covert operation"..... :( Charles On Sun, 11 Aug 2002 17:46:21 -0400 "Tom Walsh" writes: > > Just trying to figure out who's definately coming ( so we can get > the food > quantity correct ) > So far these folks have expressed an interest... if your on the list > and > have not said you're definately coming... leme know > either way. Unanounced drop ins are OK also, but we may not have > enough [ 23 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Sun Aug 11 19:05:26 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7BN5Q221210 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 19:05:26 -0400 Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 19:05:26 -0400 Message-Id: <200208112305.g7BN5Qj21206@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: " mendo rec list" Subject: Re: More meteor stuff Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Just trying to figure out who's definately coming ( so we can get the food >quantity correct ) I would love to but have a hard time staying up past 10:30ish in the evening and zombie out before then. TeriAnn Wakeman If you send me direct mail, please Santa Cruz, California start the subject line with TW - twakeman@cruzers.com I will be sure to read the message http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 From bens Sun Aug 11 19:06:21 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7BN6Ld21230 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 19:06:21 -0400 Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 19:06:21 -0400 Message-Id: <200208112306.g7BN6Le21226@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "tim boorman" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: New boy (with a dodgy accent!!) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org BBQ? Yeah sounds good to me, where/when, is it this weekend coming? >From: "Turner, Jon [LFS]" >Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" >Subject: Re: New boy (with a dodgy accent!!) >Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 13:46:07 -0400 > > [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] > [ Included Original Message ] > [ 151 lines filtered. ] [ 15 additional quoted lines pruned. ] _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From bens Sun Aug 11 19:55:58 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7BNtwm21426 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 19:55:58 -0400 Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 19:55:58 -0400 Message-Id: <200208112355.g7BNtw521422@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Turner, Jon [LFS]" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: Re: New boy (with a dodgy accent!!) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 101 lines filtered. ] This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. Tim - this coming weekend is the Niagara Rim trip (which I won't be coming to, most probably). The weekend after is the hollister NCRC picnic and trail ride / training. -------------------------- Jon Turner LifeScan, Inc. 408.956.4457 sent via Blackberry From bens Sun Aug 11 20:11:38 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7C0Bch21496 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 20:11:38 -0400 Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 20:11:38 -0400 Message-Id: <200208120011.g7C0Bc521492@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Keith Shukait To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Meteor Night Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Tom, We're mostly veg heads, we'll bring Boca Burgers for us and a lite potato salad or something to share. Cheers, Keith > Wife and kids are fine! Just keep an eye on em on our porch ( its > almost 3 > stories down!!! ) > Our Kid is still in its unopened original packaging ( ala my wife ) :) > > Any special food/drink requests? > > TomW From bens Sun Aug 11 20:23:23 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7C0NNe21552 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 20:23:23 -0400 Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 20:23:23 -0400 Message-Id: <200208120023.g7C0NNO21548@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Tom Walsh" To: Subject: Re: More meteor stuff Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org So, just come up to be social! TomW ----- Original Message ----- From: "TeriAnn Wakeman" To: " mendo rec list" Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2002 4:05 PM Subject: Re: More meteor stuff > > >Just trying to figure out who's definately coming ( so we can get the food > >quantity correct ) > I would love to but have a hard time staying up past 10:30ish in the > evening and zombie out before then. > > TeriAnn Wakeman If you send me direct mail, please > Santa Cruz, California start the subject line with TW - > twakeman@cruzers.com I will be sure to read the message > > http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman [ 5 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Sun Aug 11 20:39:38 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7C0dce21614 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 20:39:38 -0400 Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 20:39:38 -0400 Message-Id: <200208120039.g7C0dcc21610@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: More meteor stuff Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- Charles R Irvin wrote: > > I'd LOVE to attend, but I'm working on another "covert > operation"..... ?????? Explain! Paul > Charles > > On Sun, 11 Aug 2002 17:46:21 -0400 "Tom Walsh" > > writes: > > > > Just trying to figure out who's definately coming ( so > we can get > > the food [ 12 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From bens Sun Aug 11 20:42:19 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7C0gJ721647 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 20:42:19 -0400 Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 20:42:19 -0400 Message-Id: <200208120042.g7C0gJ421643@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: " mendo rec list" Subject: Re: More meteor stuff Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >So, just come up to be social! OK TeriAnn Wakeman If you send me direct mail, please Santa Cruz, California start the subject line with TW - twakeman@cruzers.com I will be sure to read the message http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 From bens Mon Aug 12 00:17:21 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7C4HL723833 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 00:17:21 -0400 Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 00:17:08 -0400 Message-Id: <200208120417.g7C4H8B23826@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Tom Walsh" To: Subject: Re: More meteor stuff Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Great! see you tomorrow! Lemme know if you any special food requests! TomW ----- Original Message ----- From: "TeriAnn Wakeman" To: " mendo rec list" Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2002 5:42 PM Subject: Re: More meteor stuff > > >So, just come up to be social! > > OK > > TeriAnn Wakeman If you send me direct mail, please > Santa Cruz, California start the subject line with TW - > twakeman@cruzers.com I will be sure to read the message > [ 6 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Mon Aug 12 00:17:31 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7C4HVt23834 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 00:17:31 -0400 Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 00:17:08 -0400 Message-Id: <200208120417.g7C4H8Z23824@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Tom Walsh" To: Subject: Re: Meteor Night Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Great! We can do veggie burgers on the grill also! TomW ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Shukait" To: Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2002 5:11 PM Subject: Re: Meteor Night > > Tom, > > We're mostly veg heads, we'll bring Boca Burgers for us and a lite > potato salad or something to share. > > Cheers, > > Keith [ 11 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Mon Aug 12 00:34:39 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7C4YdW23932 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 00:34:39 -0400 Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 00:34:38 -0400 Message-Id: <200208120434.g7C4Yc523928@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Scott Rachfal To: Subject: Re: More meteor stuff Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Tom Scott from LG here is your event on Monday? Can I come and if so what should I bring? Scott on 8/11/02 9:17 PM, Tom Walsh at tomw@fluentnet.com wrote: > > Great! see you tomorrow! Lemme know if you any special food requests! > > TomW > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "TeriAnn Wakeman" > To: " mendo rec list" > Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2002 5:42 PM > Subject: Re: More meteor stuff [ 13 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Mon Aug 12 00:43:48 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7C4hmp24091 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 00:43:48 -0400 Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 00:43:48 -0400 Message-Id: <200208120443.g7C4hmO24087@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Tom Walsh" To: Subject: Re: More meteor stuff Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org You sure can! If you want to bring a beverage of your choice or something to char on the grill.. if not its tequila lime habanero chicken with rice or some such thing! I'll have a few bottle of Cabernett and some corona light, and a 1 bottle of vodka for martinis or whatever TomW.... I will resend direction later with a GPS coordinate or two ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Rachhing fal" To: Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2002 9:34 PM Subject: Re: More meteor stuff > > Tom > > Scott from LG here is your event on Monday? > Can I come and if so what should I bring? > > Scott > > on 8/11/02 9:17 PM, Tom Walsh at tomw@fluentnet.com wrote: [ 13 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Mon Aug 12 10:11:52 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7CEBq726939 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 10:11:52 -0400 Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 10:11:51 -0400 Message-Id: <200208121411.g7CEBpD26935@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: I just made a bigger hole in the ozone? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Folks in Denver are getting $200 for an R12 recharge, and if they charge it up and detect a leak, they are required to evacuate the system immediately. Do not pass go, forfeit your $200. They then take a shot at fixing the leak and try charging it again. Seemed like a system ripe for abuse. Bob's system sounds intriguing If you go that way, let us know how you make out. I was going to do the conversion myself, but after reading all the stuff about it on-line, the one constant I came up with was that just about everybody ran into unforeseen problems. I was not in the mood, so I chickened out and had Dave's European do the R134 conversion on Cheryl's Range Rover (just under $200). Gets nice and cold. On the G the factory York compressor came out in favor of a high-cap unit for on-board air compressor. I haven't finished that little mod yet, but would like to before Sept. -Dave G. From bens Mon Aug 12 13:45:55 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7CHjtQ28586 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 13:45:55 -0400 Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 13:45:55 -0400 Message-Id: <200208121745.g7CHjtl28582@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jeff Rogers To: Mendo Recce List Subject: FW: Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi All: The email below was sent to me by Carol Samons, President of LRCSD. She's asking that someone contact the seller to advise him on sales price. It might be a good opportunity for someone to pick up a nice truck. She sent me pictures which I have posted to http://home.earthlink.net/~jeffrogers/sd_rovers/ . I've never met these folks or seen these trucks. -->Jeff > Subject: Land Rover Help > Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 09:44:49 -0700 > From: Kris Hall > > To: board@lrcsd.com > CC: "Kris Hall (HOME)" > > You might be able to help me out, I have two Land Rovers for sale. These > Land Rovers were left to me in an un- fortunate way. My father in law passed [ 15 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Mon Aug 12 14:30:35 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7CIUZx28878 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 14:30:35 -0400 Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 14:30:34 -0400 Message-Id: <200208121830.g7CIUYx28874@minbar.fourfold.org> From: shukait@mac.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Good Riddance Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org All, > Knowing Peter H., he meant nothing more than wanting > to know the correct spelling of riddance. No offense taken, it's all good, in fact I was cracking up! Everyone on the list has been great and it's a great group to hang out with! > He's a boot strap kind of guy himself. Oh know, I feel a little computer humor coming on ...I've been known to "boot-up" in a bad mood every once in a while, just ask Pam. ;^) > Just got his degree in computers at a not so tender age. Someday I'm-a gon-na get learned! ;^) Cheers, Keith From bens Mon Aug 12 14:51:21 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7CIpLC29086 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 14:51:21 -0400 Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 14:51:21 -0400 Message-Id: <200208121851.g7CIpLM29082@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Charles new 109 was Re: FW: Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org These are teh ones that were talked about a couple months ago. Charles bought the 109 ...strange that you get the e-mail so late from the LRCSD pres.. Charles, It looks good! ;-) The rear step you7 talked about is exactly what I had thought...the trucker fold up step kind... cool! I had thought about those for my brothers vanagon synchro actually, as it's the adventurwagen and really tall top so hard to get up there for the shower bladder, or putting things on teh rack... Paul --- Jeff Rogers wrote: > > > Hi All: > > The email below was sent to me by Carol Samons, President > of LRCSD. She's > asking that someone contact the seller to advise him on > sales price. It > might be a good opportunity for someone to pick up a nice [ 26 additional quoted lines pruned. ] __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From bens Mon Aug 12 14:52:10 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7CIqAg29101 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 14:52:10 -0400 Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 14:52:10 -0400 Message-Id: <200208121852.g7CIqAV29097@minbar.fourfold.org> From: joe mulqueen To: mendo Subject: re.Re: re.I just made a bigger hole in the ozone? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Oh boy....... The Jag XJ6 SIII heater and air conditioner are co-mingled in what is called "the climate control system". Problems with either heating or cooling require the entire system be removed to make repairs. To do so also means removing the steering column, console, dash top, dash board/instruments, wire connections, vents, some understructure, and water & freon hoses. The system is a scary looking 30lb box with linkage and gizmos on 4 sides. After replacing my leaky heater core and getting the car back together, I felt so proud that anything even remotely less efficient than original R12 was unacceptable. Also, R12 is a recycled material and as long as your system is tight (I also replaced my compressor and hoses), it should stay in for awhile. Hrmph! Joe Mulqueen '67 SIIA 109 SW Jag tip: These cars can be had extremely cheap when anything in the system doesn't work because pro repair charges are often in the $2K range. Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 14:06:11 -0400 From: john hess Subject: Re: re.I just made a bigger hole in the ozone? Filling your heater core with R12 pretty much explains why the Jag heater doesn't work very well. But, in the Mercury, we have spent ?300 bucks to bring the cooling system up to snuff and recharge it with R12. I would have need a bigger compressor, so as long as the original parts were good, we went with recharge. cheers, >I say recharge with R12. It's not as rare and >expensive as the "converts" say. R134 will make for >slightly less cooling ability, also. I recently had >my '82 Jaguar recharged (after I changed a leaky >heater core). >I'm happy. >Joe Mulqueen __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From bens Mon Aug 12 14:59:03 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7CIx3b29133 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 14:59:03 -0400 Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 14:59:03 -0400 Message-Id: <200208121859.g7CIx3w29129@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jeff Rogers To: Mendo Recce List Subject: Re: New boy (with a dodgy accent!!) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hey Tim: Glad to see you found the list. Are you going on the Niagara trip this weekend? Do you have a ride? Let me know... -->Jeff on 8/11/02 4:06 PM, tim boorman at boormantim@hotmail.com wrote: > > BBQ? Yeah sounds good to me, where/when, is it this weekend coming? > > >> From: "Turner, Jon [LFS]" >> Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >> To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" >> Subject: Re: New boy (with a dodgy accent!!) >> Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 13:46:07 -0400 [ 12 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Mon Aug 12 15:13:33 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7CJDXl29294 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 15:13:33 -0400 Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 15:13:33 -0400 Message-Id: <200208121913.g7CJDXZ29290@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Tom Walsh" To: Subject: Fw: Meteor Night ( directions ) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > > Heres the directions From rt 9 & Saratoga village ( IE: go up rt 9 towards > skyline, not towards Los Gatos Town center ) or near 280 & 85 IE: > penninsula... for east bay/880 see the bottom of the message > > 20037 Beatty Ridge Rd > Los Gatos Ca, 95033 > > Go upBig Basin way through Saratoga Village and all the way up [ 8 additional quoted lines pruned. ] station > and community center. > When you come to the first Y ( not "T" turn, as you pass a few, but "Y" ), > Beatty Ridge Rd is to the right. > Turn right on Beatty Ridge Rd, then take an immediate left into our > driveway. (marked Swanson & Walsh with an Alain Pinnel sign ) Follow the > driveway straight, to the end. You can't miss the Land Rovers at the end of > the driveway > > (408)354-1745 > > Conversly you can type my address into Yahoo maps and it will give > directions from rt 17 via black rd if that is easier. ( PS black rd is a > skinny sometimes one lane road, not to be taken to lightly! ) > > PS:... at night watch for deer ( their eye reflections , or their whight [ 5 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Mon Aug 12 19:26:03 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7CNQ3r31097 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 19:26:03 -0400 Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 19:26:02 -0400 Message-Id: <200208122326.g7CNQ2x31093@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Tom Walsh" To: Subject: Re: More meteor stuff Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org One thing we may be short of is some lawn/garden chairs.. if you have a set of camping chairs handy bring em up if you have room! We have seating for about 9 as it is. TomW From bens Mon Aug 12 19:57:09 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7CNv9e31282 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 19:57:09 -0400 Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 19:57:09 -0400 Message-Id: <200208122357.g7CNv9031278@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: " mendo rec list" Subject: Re: More meteor stuff Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > >One thing we may be short of is some lawn/garden chairs.. if you have a set >of camping chairs handy bring em up if you have room! Righto I'll bring 2 chairs What time you expecting to start seeing people?? TeriAnn Wakeman If you send me direct mail, please Santa Cruz, California start the subject line with TW - twakeman@cruzers.com I will be sure to read the message http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 From bens Tue Aug 13 01:59:44 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7D5xiL02387 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 01:59:44 -0400 Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 01:59:43 -0400 Message-Id: <200208130559.g7D5xh602383@minbar.fourfold.org> From: James Howard To: Mendo list Subject: SIII replacement Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org The cash I got for the SIII's sale a couple of weeks ago went to the purchase of an extremely well kept 1995 Volvo 850 T5R sedan. It is a fast, fun to drive way to haul little Gracie around. Black, with big chrome wheels and low profile tires. My 16-year-old brother-in-law and his friends pronounced it a "phat ride", which I am told is a compliment. Interestingly, the curb weight of this car is only 200 lbs less than our Range Rover. Probably because the Rover uses a lot more aluminum. So, now I get to work on the Range Rover more. The thing died on the way to Phoenix on Saturday morning. First time I have ever had to tow it. It was exhibiting symptoms just like vapor lock, and replacing the fuel pump seems to have fixed it. The Volvo dealer says there is a 300,000 mile club for Volvos. The Range Rover has over 260k, so I wonder if they would let us be an honorary member when we reach that? James From bens Tue Aug 13 09:57:37 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7DDvbf04394 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 09:57:37 -0400 Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 09:57:37 -0400 Message-Id: <200208131357.g7DDvba04390@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: SIII replacement Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "....when we reach that?.... Oh oh..... the kiss of death.... :^) -Dave G. From bens Tue Aug 13 11:12:49 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7DFCnv05155 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 11:12:49 -0400 Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 11:12:48 -0400 Message-Id: <200208131512.g7DFCm405151@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Eric Johnson" To: Subject: "symptoms just like vapor lock" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > >The thing died on the way to Phoenix on Saturday morning. First time I have ever had to tow it. It was exhibiting symptoms just like vapor lock, and replacing the fuel pump seems to have fixed it. James, Last Friday in San Jose and points east, the temperature ran into the hi 90's. I was trapped, like a rat, in stop and go traffic. I fought my way thru to the Livermore Valley only to endure more heat and rat like conditions. I was in line, waiting for cars to go thru a stop sign and just as I was about to break free, the power of the engine went to maybe 15%. I limped along at 25 mph in the bike lane for about 1/2 mile to the Wente Winery. The engine didn't buck or hesitate, just no power. Just as I pulled into the parking lot, the power returned to normal and the engine has been running fine since. No service engine light or any other light or fault codes to be seen. I got hold of Mr. Green at West Coast British. Though it was past closing time, he agreed to take a look. His thoughts were that if it was an ignition part, i.e. amp. module, coil, once they croak, they stay croaked. AND since no fault codes or warning/ service engine lights appeared, that leaves only one big culprit, that isn't wired into the fault code data base, the fuel pump. To check, he drives it with a press. gauge attached...it should be about 38 psi (I think). He has seen many that still work at 32 but performance suffers, esp. at higher elevation. i.e. driving over the Sierra Nevada to Reno. The degradation in performance is slow enough that many folks don't realize the problem until it's too late. I think he mentioned something about causing vapor lock or symptoms thereof. Determined to reach my destination, I said "screw it" and proceeded east to Sonora Pass. Like I said, the engine has been running fine since. Well, that's my long winded storey. BTW, what symptoms did you have that were "just like vapor lock"? Regards, eric From bens Tue Aug 13 12:09:35 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7DG9ZT05532 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 12:09:35 -0400 Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 12:09:35 -0400 Message-Id: <200208131609.g7DG9Z005528@minbar.fourfold.org> From: craig reece To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: "symptoms just like vapor lock" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Eric, Condensers are very sensitive to heat - once while driving to and from Berkeley to L.A. on I-5 with my early Bronco - (early Broncos, with the 302 V8 shoehorned into a tiny engine compartment, are prone to running very hot) I had to replace the condenser twice on the way down and once on the way back home. I'd replace the condenser just in case, and carry a spare. Craig Eric Johnson wrote: > > >The thing died on the way > to Phoenix on Saturday morning. First time I have ever had to tow it. > > It was exhibiting symptoms just like vapor lock, and replacing the fuel > > pump seems to have fixed it. > > James, > [ 35 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Tue Aug 13 12:50:04 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7DGo4905795 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 12:50:04 -0400 Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 12:50:04 -0400 Message-Id: <200208131650.g7DGo4k05791@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: ignition parts Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "....I'd replace the condenser...." That would be that roughly-cylindrical-shaped blob of rust on the inner fender next to the coil then? :^) I should probably replace the one on the Rangie too. Brings on a question. What's the current thought on best available dizzy cap and/or rotor for the 3.9? I was going to treat the rangie to new ign stuff. Magnecor seems to be the way to go for wires, but I thought I'd query you folks on the other parts. Caps especially seem to be available in everything from high to abysmal quality. -Dave G. From bens Tue Aug 13 13:02:02 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7DH22W05946 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 13:02:02 -0400 Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 13:02:01 -0400 Message-Id: <200208131702.g7DH21m05942@minbar.fourfold.org> From: James Howard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: "symptoms just like vapor lock" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Eric Johnson wrote: > Well, that's my long winded storey. BTW, what symptoms did you have > that were "just like vapor lock"? We left Flagstaff early to avoid the heat. We got to the Phoenix area around 8:30 am, and it ran fine, but the temperature was still a balmy 90. By the time we got to within 10 miles of my in-laws house, it had reached 100 and the engine just quit. Trying to restart it resulted in stumbling for a few seconds, like it was only firing on 2 cylinders, then quitting. Further attempts confrimed, this, and then it would not even fire. Since we were on a busy freeway, we decided to call a tow truck rather than have me try to diagnose it. When we got it to the in-laws, I confirmed it had spark, but it still wouldn't fire. Since the temp was 113 by now, I decided to wait until the sun went down to work more. After sunset, the temperature was still in the high 90s, but I was able to confirm that power was getting to the fuel pump. It still wouldn't start. So, I decided to replace the fuel pump. Fortunately, I had cut a hole in the floor to access the pump the last time it died (see rangerovers.net for instructions on how to do this), so access was not a problem. I got Carquest p/n FP E3240 pump for $78.16, and FP FS3 strainer for $5.29. Put it in and it ran like a champ. James From bens Tue Aug 13 13:03:13 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7DH3DH05971 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 13:03:13 -0400 Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 13:03:12 -0400 Message-Id: <200208131703.g7DH3Cm05967@minbar.fourfold.org> From: James Howard To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: Re: ignition parts Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org On Tue, 13 Aug 2002, Gomes, David wrote: > > "....I'd replace the condenser...." > > That would be that roughly-cylindrical-shaped blob of rust on the inner > fender next to the coil then? :^) That is just a noise suppression cap. It keeps noise from the ignition from bothering you when you are listening to the radio. From bens Tue Aug 13 13:20:21 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7DHKLZ06137 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 13:20:21 -0400 Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 13:20:20 -0400 Message-Id: <200208131720.g7DHKKE06133@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: "symptoms just like vapor lock" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org What year is your rangie? 3.9? I think I'll put your car quest reference numbers in the center console.... -Dave G. From bens Tue Aug 13 13:56:24 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7DHuOq06482 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 13:56:24 -0400 Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 13:56:23 -0400 Message-Id: <200208131756.g7DHuNp06478@minbar.fourfold.org> From: James Howard To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: "symptoms just like vapor lock" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org It is a 1989. This is the earlier pump without the integral fuel gauge. I can't remember when the changeover was. On Tue, 13 Aug 2002, Gomes, David wrote: > > What year is your rangie? 3.9? I think I'll put your car quest reference > numbers in the center console.... > > > -Dave G. > From bens Tue Aug 13 14:43:02 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7DIh2906820 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 14:43:02 -0400 Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 14:43:02 -0400 Message-Id: <200208131843.g7DIh2606816@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: "symptoms just like vapor lock" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org ...did I miss something here??? Charles On Tue, 13 Aug 2002 13:20:20 -0400 "Gomes, David" writes: > > What year is your rangie? 3.9? I think I'll put your car quest > reference > numbers in the center console.... > > > -Dave G. ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Tue Aug 13 15:28:33 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7DJSXR07149 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 15:28:33 -0400 Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 15:28:32 -0400 Message-Id: <200208131928.g7DJSWL07145@minbar.fourfold.org> From: joe mulqueen To: mendo Subject: Emergency radiator / fuel tank leak repair tip Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hello, A Sri Lankan friend (who grew up there driving old Morris Minors) told me his father used to make emergency radiator and fuel tank repairs using bar soap and sugar. Simply mix soap shavings with some sugar and a few drops of water and the result is a gummy wad that'll hold back water or gasoline. Anyone hear of this?? Joe Mulqueen '67 SIIA 109 SW __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From bens Tue Aug 13 15:54:09 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7DJs9507322 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 15:54:09 -0400 Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 15:54:09 -0400 Message-Id: <200208131954.g7DJs9d07318@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Stirling Anderson To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Emergency radiator / fuel tank leak repair tip Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- joe mulqueen wrote: > > Hello, > A Sri Lankan friend (who grew up there driving old > Morris Minors) told me his father used to make > emergency radiator and fuel tank repairs using bar > soap and sugar. Simply mix soap shavings with some > sugar and a few drops of water and the result is a > gummy wad that'll hold back water or gasoline. > Anyone hear of this?? [ 2 additional quoted lines pruned. ] I've heard of that for emergency repairs on gas tanks, but wouldn't the pressure in the radiator push out the mixture?? I hadn't heard of adding sugar and water though. Stirling __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From bens Tue Aug 13 16:32:05 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7DKW5i07689 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 16:32:05 -0400 Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 16:32:05 -0400 Message-Id: <200208132032.g7DKW5l07685@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Stirling Anderson To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Cc: lro@koan.team.net Subject: Trans America Trail Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Anyone ever hear of this, or consider doing it in a Land Rover?? http://www.transamtrail.com/main.htm Also, go to Articles, then Rider Reports for a bunch more pictures and some trip reports. Nearly 4,200 miles of dirt roads stretching from Oregon to Tennessee... sounds pretty awesome. I wrote Sam, and he told me "Yes indeed, you can ride your Land Rover on most of my Trail. And using my maps, when you do have to make a bypass, It will be simple and easy to get back on the Trail.." The bypasses are in reference to sections of the trail which is only open to motorcycles or quad bikes. Anyhow, so I'm taking donations to prep The African..... :) Take care, Stirling __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From bens Tue Aug 13 16:46:35 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7DKkZX07793 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 16:46:35 -0400 Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 16:46:35 -0400 Message-Id: <200208132046.g7DKkZn07789@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Trans America Trail Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- Stirling Anderson wrote: > > Anyone ever hear of this, or consider doing it in a > Land Rover?? no...but it sounds cool! i'd love to do it on a dual-sport bike! wish I still had one in the garage...yeah! it'd be cool in a rover too! ;-) Paul > http://www.transamtrail.com/main.htm > Also, go to Articles, then Rider Reports for a bunch > more pictures and some trip reports. > > Nearly 4,200 miles of dirt roads stretching from > Oregon to Tennessee... sounds pretty awesome. I > wrote Sam, and he told me "Yes indeed, you can ride > your Land Rover on most of my Trail. And using my > maps, when you do have to make a bypass, It will be [ 13 additional quoted lines pruned. ] __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From bens Tue Aug 13 16:53:43 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7DKrh307864 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 16:53:43 -0400 Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 16:53:43 -0400 Message-Id: <200208132053.g7DKrhV07860@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Trans America Trail - NV to Pacific Ocean Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Don't know about the trans-American trail but Petra and I are planning a recce to find a route from Northwestern Nevada to the Pacific Ocean that is all offroad, or as much offroad/overland/dirt road as possible. Should be interesting and exciting. We are considering doing this recce sometime in Sept if anyone is interested in joining us. Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 From bens Tue Aug 13 17:08:10 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7DL8AY07995 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 17:08:10 -0400 Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 17:08:10 -0400 Message-Id: <200208132108.g7DL8Av07991@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Stirling Anderson To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Trans America Trail - NV to Pacific Ocean Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org The guy who plotted that trail out, Sam, sells maps of the trail through individual states. This is part of the emails I got from him, sounds like I work for him... ;) But, I just thought it might help: NV...19maps(22x18)......695miles...3.......days....$69 OR....11maps(24x18).....575miles...3.......days....$69 plus UPS charges $6 California, you ride through the extreme Northeast corner of the state. No map is needed. Just use roll chart. Please note that the cost of each state is directly proportion to the cost of the maps, plus the assembly of the roll charts, plus mailing fees. Trust me, this is not a profit making deal. On each map, the route is high-lighted and the accumlative mile is noted, so that you can look on your rollchart and then your map, and locate exactly where you are at any point of the ride. Some sections now have GPS waypoints on the roll charts. I am adding GPS to all sections in the future. --- Jason Pipes wrote: > > Don't know about the trans-American trail but Petra > and I are planning a > recce to find a route from Northwestern Nevada to > the Pacific Ocean that is > all offroad, or as much offroad/overland/dirt road > as possible. Should be > interesting and exciting. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From bens Tue Aug 13 17:18:03 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7DLI3d08070 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 17:18:03 -0400 Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 17:18:03 -0400 Message-Id: <200208132118.g7DLI3008066@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Trans America Trail - NV to Pacific Ocean Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Stirling, thanks for the additional info, it sounds interesting but I'm thinking we can produce the same results in more detail with our own GPS - USGS topo mapping software setup. The nice part about seamless USGS topo mapping software is that you can follow a trail/route across an entire state simply by scrolling in any direction. You stand at an intersection and scroll ahead 50 miles to see see every branch and bend of a trail before ever heading down it. And because the software is at 7.5 min it's the most detail you're likely to get in any map from any source. Now I sound like a salesperson! I'm not though, I just really enjoy the route finding capabilities in using this setup. Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 From bens Tue Aug 13 18:33:04 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7DMX4M08541 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 18:33:04 -0400 Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 18:33:04 -0400 Message-Id: <200208132233.g7DMX4U08537@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: Map question Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org So far I'm digging the StreetPilot3 Deluxe with Citynavigator and topo maps loaded. Simple to switch from the convenience of the citynavigator maps telling me where the 5 closest gas stations are, to topo maps with trails. But here's a question for Jason. What kind of extra detail is available on a 1:25,000 scale topo vs on a 1:100,000, GIVEN that I have the ability to zoom my gps screen in to a 200 ft radius on either one? I can understand the advantage in a printed map which is in effect a fixed zoom, but if you have the ability to zoom in, is the 4x larger scale really giving you more usable detail and features that are missing in the 1:100,000 scale? When I look at two maps of say, the Tincup pass area in central CO on Topozone.com, I don't see a lot more useful information on the higher resolution map. Have you found the larger scale maps getting you something that you can't get in the smaller scale ones? If not, it might be easier to carry one DVD, or smaller set of CDs covering a larger area. But then again, too much is more than enough. If you can carry the entire area you could drive to in two weeks on a CD or two, no need to have the whole country at your disposal at any time. The only advantage might be in ultimate cost of one TopoUSA dvd for $100 to cover the whole country, vs the more detailed NG TOPO! maps at $90 a state, that is IF one planned to travel that widely. Just random thoughts here....But I would be interested to hear your take on the utility of the larger scale maps vs the smaller. Thanks! -Dave G. PS - I TOTALLY agree with the coolness of being able to "virtually" test routes from the stationary vehicle! From bens Tue Aug 13 19:52:21 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7DNqLD08880 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 19:52:21 -0400 Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 19:52:21 -0400 Message-Id: <200208132352.g7DNqLL08876@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Map question Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org David, excellent questions. Let me see if I can address them. The first thing to understand about topo maps is regarding scale. "Simply defined, scale is the relationship between distance on a map and distance on the ground. A map scale usually is given as a fraction or a ratio such as 1/100,000 or 1:100,000." - USGS "The first number in a topo map scale (map distance) is always 1. The second number (ground distance) is different for each scale - the larger the second number is, the smaller the scale of the map." - USGS Therefore, a 1/100,000 scale map is going to be considered a small scale map when compared against a 1/24,000 scale map. The smaller the scale of a map the less information or detail can be represented. A 1/100,000 scale map is going to contain less physical detail than a 1/24,000 scale map even though a 1/100,000 scale map is going to cover a much greater area. To be more direct: A 1/100,000 scale = larger displayed area at less detail. A 1/24,000 scale = smaller displayed area in greater detail. So, now to the question at hand. What about this greater versus lesser detail?? Is it really all that important? In my opinion yes, for a number of reasons. A larger scale map such as a 1/24,000 topo (recall larger scale = smaller displayed area in greater detail) will represent contour lines in greater depth, that is, in smaller increments. A 1/100,000 scale map might show a ridge line in 200 ft increments where as a 1/24,000 scale map will represent the same location in 10-20 ft or less increments. That distinction might seem minor but it can make a big difference depending on what you're looking at on the map! Another reason is that on larger scale maps more man made objects or physical locations are generally shown. It's impossible to represent every foot bridge, mill, high tension wire, gated crossing, spring, etc on a 1/100,000 scale map. On a 1/24,000 scale map all of those sorts of objects and locations are often shown. Again, this may seem like a minor point but when doing a recce or exploring a new area it's really important to know as much about the trail ahead as possible. A 1/100,000 scale map may have many if not all of the trails shown as a 1/24,000 scale map, the difference will be in how much detail is shown about the area the trail bisects as well as the conditions and objects the trail passes, crosses or intersects. Another big distinction is that often times, such as during our recent NV trip, trails in areas can literally disappear and reappear someplace else. A map might show a trail in one specific location when you are most certainly not on that spot! Being able to use the contour line data and physical location/man-made objects shown on a larger scale map to help orient you in such situations can be priceless. I also know for a fact that although many 1/100,000 scale representations do show many of the same trails as can be found on 1/24,000 scale maps, there are many cases (such as in areas of significant elevation change) where it is simply not possible to show all known trails on a 1/100,000 scale map. Regarding your question about zooming in to a 200 ft view on a 1/100,000 scale map - that's fine if you can zoom in that far, but you should also notice often times a lack of information for most areas other than the most basic of representations (roads, lakes, creeks, etc). That's because nomader how close in you can zoom the representative data is still only based on an original 1/100,000 scale. Zooming in really close on a smaller scale map can't give you any more detail than already exists for that map scale in particular. For additional info, check out the following USGS page: http://mac.usgs.gov/mac/isb/pubs/factsheets/fs01502.html As well, I've uploaded some page captures showing the same location in 3 scales, 1/500k, 1/100k and 1/24k. The files are large but should give you an idea of what I was talking about above. Here they are (you may have to disable automatic image resizing in IE): 1/500k: www.feldgrau.com/topo-1-500k.JPG 1/100k: www.feldgrau.com/topo-1-100k.JPG 1/24k: www.feldgrau.com/topo-1-24k.JPG Looking at just this limited area you can see all the additional information you can gather from using a 1/24k versus a 1/100k. How important that info is, is a totally different matter... Lastly, I recently found it is possible to install all the cd data for the USGS state series map sets onto a hard disk, thus removing the need to use multiple cdroms while traveling. Hope this helps somewhat! Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 From bens Tue Aug 13 20:41:20 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7E0fK809142 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 20:41:20 -0400 Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 20:41:20 -0400 Message-Id: <200208140041.g7E0fKc09138@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Tom Walsh" To: Subject: Re: More meteor stuff Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I'd like to thank everyone who showed up last, we had quite a crowd! My wife and I had a blast, I hope everyone else did! Sorry the meteors weren't intense as last year, but we definetly saw a bunch! Thanks TomW From bens Tue Aug 13 21:08:33 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7E18X709283 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 21:08:33 -0400 Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 21:08:33 -0400 Message-Id: <200208140108.g7E18XE09279@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gerry Elam" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Trans America Trail Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I know of several motorcyclists who have done portions. They said that Sam did a good job with the stripmaps. Cheers, Gerry > Nearly 4,200 miles of dirt roads stretching from > > Oregon to Tennessee... sounds pretty awesome. I > > wrote Sam, and he told me "Yes indeed, you can ride > > your Land Rover on most of my Trail. And using my > > maps, when you do have to make a bypass, It will be > [ 13 additional quoted lines pruned. ] > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? [ 2 additional quoted lines pruned. ] _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From bens Wed Aug 14 00:47:10 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7E4lA611762 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 00:47:10 -0400 Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 00:47:10 -0400 Message-Id: <200208140447.g7E4lAV11758@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Benjamin Smith To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Trans America Trail Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In message <200208140108.g7E18XE09279@minbar.fourfold.org>you wrote: > > Nearly 4,200 miles of dirt roads stretching from > > > Oregon to Tennessee... sounds pretty awesome. I > > > wrote Sam, and he told me "Yes indeed, you can ride > > > your Land Rover on most of my Trail. And using my > > > maps, when you do have to make a bypass, It will be I missed the original part of this thread. I've always wanted to cross the US on dirt roads. Where is the pointer to this? Ben From bens Wed Aug 14 01:33:56 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7E5Xu412218 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 01:33:56 -0400 Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 01:33:56 -0400 Message-Id: <200208140533.g7E5XuB12214@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Interesting day...(O.T.) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Listers in Southern California, When reading through the Recycler paper, make sure that you check the "Freebies", and "Miscellaneous" sections, as well as any other sections that you're interested in: I called a guy that was giving away a Kenwood stereo cabinet that was purchased earlier this year (I know where he bought it...it's a $300 unit!), and it's in mint condition! To make the deal even better, he also gave me - for FREE - a Pioneer VSX-D603S Dolby Pro Logic surround sound receiver - also in mint condition!!!!!! Oh - for the very few of you that know what I'm upto, "Operation Poppyfield" is moving along a little more smoothly than it has in the last few days, due to some minor repairs made this morning...if only I could complete the assignment before "Alaska" returns... :) Charles ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Wed Aug 14 03:01:19 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7E71Jk12565 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 03:01:19 -0400 Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 03:01:19 -0400 Message-Id: <200208140701.g7E71Jp12561@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Eric Schoenman To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: An amazing experience: balancing a steel wheel Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/enriched; ] [ 54 lines filtered. ] --Apple-Mail-1--538405466 charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed So, today I finally took in for balancing my recently replaced bfg m/t (replaced free thanks to costco, but they couldn't balance it because it was on one of those wolf rims). The wheel was replaced a while back, but since these are my mud tires they've been sitting in the garage for about a month. The day I had the tire replaced, while I was picking up some other stuff at Kragen, I stopped in the Wheel Works next door. First they said they could balance it, then they said they didn't have the finger adapter. But not to worry. The balance they charged me for was a life time balance, and that I could take it to Howard Tire on Franklin St in SF (also a wheelworks store) and they had the tool, so not problem. So fast forward a month, I go over to Howard Tire. And yes they have the special tool for balancing the tire off the lug holes. But sales guy doesn't know if it fits. We bring the tool over the the wheel and everything looks like it lines up (except the tool only had 4 of the 5 pins installed, but I figured they had the other pin in the back). Great. Leave the truck for a couple hours. When I come back the same sales guy says that they couldn't balance it because the adapter didn't fit. I take the adapter and the sales guy back over to the truck, and yes it does fit. We go get the tire balancer guy and show him. He's confused. Tire balancer guy never tried the adapter (no one told him to use it). Round 3. They go to balance the tire with the adapter, but with only 4 of the 5 pins. I explained that they have to use all 5 pins or it won't work. They go look for the other pin, but can't find it. They said no problem, it will work without the 5th pin. After 2 tries, they can't get it to balance. Simply Amazing. So after 4 hours of waiting, the wheel left with NO balance weights. And to tell the truth, it doesn't seem to be that bad. Fortunately they gave me money back. Too bad they couldn't give me back the 4 hours I wasted. One note for those that live near Sacramento: the Costco in Rancho Cordova (near Sac) has the adapter and they know how to use it. A few weeks ago, they fixed my flat in my xpc's on the way back from the Pyramid Lake trip. Unfortunately, it's a little out of the way right now, but next time I go visit my mom in Sac, I'll stop by. Anyone know if any of the other costco's in the bay area that have the adapter tool? thanks, Eric --Apple-Mail-1--538405466 From bens Wed Aug 14 07:46:50 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7EBkou13862 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 07:46:50 -0400 Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 07:46:49 -0400 Message-Id: <200208141146.g7EBknu13858@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Roger Sinasohn To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Hooray for Captain Spaulding... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org ...the African explorer! (Animal Crackers, 1928) Rachel and I didn't want to take any chances in bashing up Indy (not to mention the fact that Indy needs some attention) but we did want to get out on the trails again and we do need a second, larger car (because of ), so we are now the proud owners of a 1999 Land Rover Discovery Series II (Oslo Blue). Which means we have a '59 Series II and a '99 Series II. Go figure. We've christened the Disco Captain Spaulding, the African Explorer (Did someone call me Schnorer?) It has most everything a stock Disco can have except the '7 package -- rear jump seats, A/C, and step. It did come with the standard his-and-hers Land Rover SEG's (Sh*t-Eating-Grins). Oh, and Jared definitely likes riding in the Disco much better than Rachel's intrigue. I remember the point at which we decided that our next vehicle would be a Disco -- it was at the last Urban Adventure, and we were looking at a disco with the Safari Gard armor, a lift kit, winch, etc. All the goodies to make a great vehicle unbeatable. We decided we would get a Disco and get it set up like that one so we could do all the gonzo runs, not just the I-don't-want-to-scratch-my-trendy-mall-wagon easy ones. Well, ironically, it was (iirc) Doug Forehand's disco that we were looking at, and it was two days *after* buying the Captain that I spotted Doug's e-mail offering Simba for sale. Oh well. Life happens. This way, however, we get the fun of getting the Captain set up and picking out the gear we want and so on. This means, of course, that I'll have plenty of questions about roof racks, GPS's, winches, etcetera. (Don't worry, I have the mendo list on my hard drive going back to the beginning of 2000, so I'll try to do some research before asking FAQ's.) Here's my first couple of questions, then: If you wanted a fairly complete first aid kit, had a limited budget, but got an employee discount at Long's Drugs, what would you put in the kit? What would you add that Long's doesn't carry? So far, I've got a packaged first aid kit, lots of bandages of assorted types and sizes, and lots of moleskin. Based on a thread from '96, I'd like to add some Sam Splints (though maybe this -- -- is just as good?), an airway mask, and gel based burn pads. Are these still recommended or are better options available? I read the thread from last March about fire extinguishers, but still have a couple of questions: Dry chemical is the way to go, but what size would be good to carry? Has anyone found a good supplier (online or otherwise)? Any particular brands anyone likes? I'm thinking of mounting it above the driver's side front door, just above the handle there. Is this a good location? It seems handy, but I could also imagine it coming loose and beaning the driver (or me bonking my head on it when I get out.) P.S. Karen Sindir: what dealer was it that you had the problems with? btw, for those that might have wondered, Indy was up and running when Rachel and I got married (mid-May, 1999), but then my dad had a major stroke in early July, 1999. After that, my life was pretty much focused on hanging out with him (best couple of years of my life!) and Indy kinda sat around. My dad passed away May 2001, and the next year was pretty much missing. Then, Jared was born and we haven't slept since, but we're trying to get back on our feet and get out and about. We want to get Indy going again for family road trips too. I'll sign off with this thought from the Captain: This fact I'll emphasize with stress: I never take a drink unless Somebody's buying. (The Captain is a very moral man!) --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger@sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/ From bens Wed Aug 14 09:21:38 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7EDLcH14390 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 09:21:38 -0400 Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 09:21:37 -0400 Message-Id: <200208141321.g7EDLb414386@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Shane Ballensky To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Hooray for Captain Spaulding... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org congrats on the new rover. My only .02 is to not mount the fire extinguisher above your head. Don't mount anything over your head. I've heard of too many accidents turn serious because of the person having an overhead(not directly of coarse) mounted CB or speaker or something. In my D90 I have a small extinguisher mounted next to my seat and the door. I did this for easy access. I have a second larger one mounted behind the center console. This one is harder to get too but I could still within reach. From bens Wed Aug 14 09:27:34 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7EDRYQ14431 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 09:27:34 -0400 Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 09:27:34 -0400 Message-Id: <200208141327.g7EDRYk14427@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: An amazing experience: balancing a steel wheel Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Not really in the Bay area, but Costco in Chico has the adapter and they used it on Sherman. Bob B At 12:01 AM 8/14/2002, you wrote: >One note for those that live near Sacramento: the Costco in Rancho >Cordova (near Sac) has the adapter and they know how to use it. A few >weeks ago, they fixed my flat in my xpc's on the way back from the >Pyramid Lake trip. Unfortunately, it's a little out of the way right >now, but next time I go visit my mom in Sac, I'll stop by. > >Anyone know if any of the other costco's in the bay area that have the >adapter tool? > [ 2 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Wed Aug 14 09:27:38 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7EDRce14445 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 09:27:38 -0400 Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 09:27:38 -0400 Message-Id: <200208141327.g7EDRcU14441@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kerner, Rob" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: Who needs Articulation when you can swivel (minimal LR content) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html ] [ 62 lines filtered. ] This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. http://www.dodgepowerwagon.com/classifieds/winsor55.html -Rob From bens Wed Aug 14 10:09:54 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7EE9sr14631 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 10:09:54 -0400 Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 10:09:54 -0400 Message-Id: <200208141409.g7EE9sC14627@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Map question Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Thanks Jason. The map pix did the trick. I must have just been picking some more deserted areas when I wasn't seeing any more detail on the 1/24k vs. the 1/100k. The biggest thing those pix convinced me of is that those NG topos are REALLY nice! If I recall, they have a program for passing info to a GPS don't they? I might have to look into that. Thanks for your help! -Dave G. From bens Wed Aug 14 10:37:54 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7EEbsx14915 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 10:37:54 -0400 Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 10:37:53 -0400 Message-Id: <200208141437.g7EEbrp14911@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Hooray for Captain Spaulding... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Congrats, Roger! NEVER mount a fire extinguisher over your head: as The Tick used to say, "Gravity can be a harsh mistress...".As to what size to get - get the largest one that you have space for (NOT the small hand-sized ones, but there's a larger one that's SCCA legal - think it's double, or triple the size of the handhelds), and get a metal mounting bracket for it. If you don't mind plastering your truck with stickers, get one of the "Fire extinguisher inside" stickers, and slap it on the outside of wherever you decide to mount it. (...I myself have been lacking here...) Also, if you've got a roofrack, mind parking garages with low clearance!!!!! (the P.O. of my Rangie had one on it...for a while...the evidence is still there!) Charles On Wed, 14 Aug 2002 07:46:49 -0400 Roger Sinasohn writes: > > ...the African explorer! > (Animal Crackers, 1928) > > Rachel and I didn't want to take any chances in bashing up Indy (not > to > mention the fact that Indy needs some attention) but we did want to > get out > on the trails again and we do need a second, larger car (because of [ 113 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Wed Aug 14 11:44:00 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7EFi0f15820 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:44:00 -0400 Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:44:00 -0400 Message-Id: <200208141544.g7EFi0c15816@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Hooray for Captain Spaulding... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "....as The Tick used to say...." I was so bummed when they cancelled the tv show. The comic and the cartoon were great, but I thought the live action tv show was the best thing on television last season. -Dave G. From bens Wed Aug 14 12:53:50 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7EGrom16418 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:53:50 -0400 Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:53:50 -0400 Message-Id: <200208141653.g7EGroT16414@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Stirling Anderson To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Hooray for Captain Spaulding... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- Roger Sinasohn wrote: > If you wanted a fairly complete first aid kit, had a > limited budget, but > got an employee discount at Long's Drugs, what would > you put in the > kit? What would you add that Long's doesn't carry? > So far, I've got a > packaged first aid kit, lots of bandages of assorted > types and sizes, and > lots of moleskin. I'm using an earthquake emergency kit. Comes with a pretty good first aid kit, emergency rations and water, flashlight, work gloves, space blankets, and all sorts of little misc. stuff. And it comes in it's own little backpack. Stirling __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From bens Wed Aug 14 13:06:32 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7EH6W516546 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 13:06:32 -0400 Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 13:06:32 -0400 Message-Id: <200208141706.g7EH6Wo16542@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Hooray for Captain Spaulding... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Agreed, but unfortunately, it didn't cater to the intellectual level of the current young generation. Talk about the wrong place at the wrong time. (same goes for Soldier of Fortune, Inc BEFORE they killed it by way of adding Dennis Rodman to the cast) They could have done much better with the show, though...the cartoon was still "it", however, in its defense, I didn't get to see more than a couple of episodes because they kept moving it around here on a weekly basis. Even Janet thought it was great. We need more great shows like Miami Vice, or Mann and Machine...I remember the days when networks used to do battle over the best ratings - now they all crank out junk. Gerry M...when do we get more of your Joe Isuzu classics to watch!?!?!? Charles On Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:44:00 -0400 "Gomes, David" writes: > > "....as The Tick used to say...." > > I was so bummed when they cancelled the tv show. The comic and the > cartoon > were great, but I thought the live action tv show was the best thing > on > television last season. > [ 1 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Wed Aug 14 13:16:31 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7EHGVN16629 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 13:16:31 -0400 Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 13:16:31 -0400 Message-Id: <200208141716.g7EHGV216625@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Hooray for Captain Spaulding - HBO (no LR) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org If you want great shows across the board, check out HBO. The Sopranos, Six Feet Under, Sex and the City, The Wire, Oz, etc, they are all excellent shows on every level. Far better than almost anything on regular TV. I'd say Six Feet Under is one of the single best shows I've ever seen on TV, with The Sopranos a close second. The Wire is an excellent police drama, Sex in the City is a fun girl-oriented take on life/love/relationships which is sort of refreshing to watch, Oz is a gritty "big house" drama... and so on. Great stuff. jpipes >We need more great shows like Miami Vice, or Mann and Machine...I >remember the days when networks used to do battle over the best ratings - >now they all crank out junk. > >Gerry M...when do we get more of your Joe Isuzu classics to watch!?!?!? > >Charles > >On Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:44:00 -0400 "Gomes, David" [ 19 additional quoted lines pruned. ] -- Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 From bens Wed Aug 14 13:29:39 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7EHTdI16760 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 13:29:39 -0400 Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 13:29:39 -0400 Message-Id: <200208141729.g7EHTdk16756@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Daniel Oppenheim" To: Subject: Fisrt Aid kits, was Hooray for Captain Spaulding... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 5 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Multipart/Alternative; ] [ Text/Plain; ] [ Text/HTML; ] [ image/gif ] [ Image/jpeg ] [ 238 lines filtered. ] --------------Boundary-00=_DKGUQL80000000000000 From bens Wed Aug 14 13:32:14 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7EHWEo16839 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 13:32:14 -0400 Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 13:32:14 -0400 Message-Id: <200208141732.g7EHWEP16835@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kerner, Rob" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: Summer Newsletter Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I am gathering all the info I have to put together the summer newsletter. If you have any submissions please get them to me before 8/19/02. Otherwise the newsletter may be full of Regent pictures. A column I would like to see from many of you is "My first off road Experience in a LR" With pictures. Mine will be Coyote Canyon in Anza Berrogo (now closed). Regent looks very different... -Rob From bens Wed Aug 14 13:47:02 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7EHl2N17189 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 13:47:02 -0400 Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 13:47:01 -0400 Message-Id: <200208141747.g7EHl1S17185@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Eric Johnson" To: Subject: Re: Hooray for Captain Spaulding - HBO (no LR) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >>> jpipes@csd.uwm.edu 08/14/02 10:16AM >>> " I'd say Six Feet Under is one of the single best shows I've ever seen on TV, with The Sopranos a close second. " Jason, RE: " I'd say Six Feet Under is one of the single best shows I've ever seen on TV...." Obviously, a case of too much Nevada dust in the eyes. From bens Wed Aug 14 13:47:43 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7EHlhd17204 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 13:47:43 -0400 Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 13:47:42 -0400 Message-Id: <200208141747.g7EHlg017200@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Hooray for Captain Spaulding... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org About medical kits: I got a FULLY outfitted ex-US Army field trauma medical kit for 40 bucks at a Berkley Surplus store. For another 10-15 bucks I completed the kit with some minor items I wanted as well like various pills and lotions. The kit itself comes with so much stuff it isn't funny. True, much of it was originally intented for use on people with huge holes in their chests or missing arms/legs, but every piece is usable for any "normal" injury as well. Besides, you never know when someone might really get a massive injury offroad, and it doesn't hurt to have the gear to use in those instances. One thing to keep in mind with a heavy duty medical kit (or any medical kit) is to know how to use it. You can do more damage using medical gear wrong in some case than not using any at all. If you don't want to know exactly how to use every piece of gear in a more heavy duty kit, it still doesn't hurt to bring it along anyway to provide for others to use, like Casey McMullen, who are trained in how to use such items in times when it is needed. Regarding Fire ext: Dry chemical does indeed seem to be the way to go. I'd suggest getting a non-corrosive dry chemical, West Marine sells them for about 20 bucks each in 5 and 10 pound containers. DO NOT mount it above your head, like others have already said! Best place on a Disco/Defender is on the backside of the center cubby box. A bonus is you can also mount a larger mag light under it and have both within easy reach when you need them. Only useful though if you don't plan to use the center rear seat for people much, otherwise their leg room will be cramped with those items mounted there. Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 From bens Wed Aug 14 14:04:46 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7EI4kf17373 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 14:04:46 -0400 Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 14:04:46 -0400 Message-Id: <200208141804.g7EI4kG17369@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Eric Schoenman To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Trauma Kit - was Captain Spaulding. Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/enriched; ] [ 105 lines filtered. ] --Apple-Mail-3--498595450 charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Jason, Funny thing happened. I went over to Berkeley surplus to get the other of those two trauma kits they had and they told me that it wasn't for sale. They said they had two for the owners wife and they accidently sold one. whoops. I guess you got lucky. I'm sure they can get more. Eric On Wednesday, August 14, 2002, at 10:47 AM, Jason Pipes wrote: > > > About medical kits: > > I got a FULLY outfitted ex-US Army field trauma medical kit for 40 > bucks at > a Berkley Surplus store. For another 10-15 bucks I completed the kit > with > some minor items I wanted as well like various pills and lotions. The [ 44 additional quoted lines pruned. ] Eric --Apple-Mail-3--498595450 From bens Wed Aug 14 14:15:38 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7EIFc117491 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 14:15:38 -0400 Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 14:15:37 -0400 Message-Id: <200208141815.g7EIFbR17487@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Trauma Kit - was Captain Spaulding. Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Huh? Very strange. Only in Berkley. When I got mine it had a price sticker on it and it was in a display case with other items for sale. After asking to look at it and deciding to buy it the owner actually didn't want to sell it to me and I had to almost beg him to actually sell it. He did say he had another one, but he never mentioned anything about keeping them for his wife. He was a nice guy but seemed a bit loopy. This proves it I guess. I never could understand why he would have something for sale in his store with a price sticker on it that he simply didn't want to sell, it never made any sense. The place did have some other nice stuff for sale though that I think was really nice that he didn't seem to have a problem with selling. Rolls of 100mph tape, ex-mil-spec folding pick axes, spades and shovels, super nice wool blankets, etc, all very cheap. jpipes >Jason, > >Funny thing happened. I went over to Berkeley surplus to get the other >of those two trauma kits they had and they told me that it wasn't for >sale. They said they had two for the owners wife and they accidently >sold one. whoops. I guess you got lucky. I'm sure they can get more. > >Eric > [ 17 additional quoted lines pruned. ] -- Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 From bens Wed Aug 14 15:17:41 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7EJHfI18117 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 15:17:41 -0400 Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 15:17:41 -0400 Message-Id: <200208141917.g7EJHfV18113@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Trauma Kit - was Captain Spaulding. Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org The nearest "real" surplus store to me (Major Surplus and Survival) has some really good kits, but of course, the one I want is in the 3 $$$ range, but then again, having it to save a life is worth much more than the money...soon as I have the money...(until then, it's stay on easy trails, and drive fast to the hospital if needed!) I have yet to see the military Trauma Kits there, but they do often get the inflatable splints and the like, to add to any medical kits...something I really should get serious about. Charles. On Wed, 14 Aug 2002 14:15:37 -0400 Jason Pipes writes: > > > Huh? Very strange. Only in Berkley. When I got mine it had a price > sticker > on it and it was in a display case with other items for sale. After > asking > to look at it and deciding to buy it the owner actually didn't want > to sell > it to me and I had to almost beg him to actually sell it. He did say [ 44 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Wed Aug 14 15:48:51 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7EJmp018308 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 15:48:51 -0400 Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 15:48:50 -0400 Message-Id: <200208141948.g7EJmol18304@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: " mendo rec list" Subject: Re: Hooray for Captain Spaulding... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >About medical kits: > >I got a FULLY outfitted ex-US Army field trauma medical kit for 40 bucks at >a Berkley Surplus store. Strangely enough mine has been getting simpler over time and item expiration dates come & go. Mostly I'm down to pills, antiseptic, band aids, guzz pads, roll tape, tweezers, a pair of hemostats & a suture pack. I used to have a real nice burn treatment kit, but someone at a past British car meet decided they needed it more than I. The worst I have had to deal with over the years fall into headaches, cramps, clogged sinuses, upset tummys, slivers, small burns, bites & scrapes. Knock on birmabright. I do miss that burn kit though. TeriAnn Wakeman If you send me direct mail, please Santa Cruz, California start the subject line with TW - twakeman@cruzers.com I will be sure to read the message http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 From bens Wed Aug 14 16:03:15 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7EK3Fm18449 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 16:03:15 -0400 Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 16:03:14 -0400 Message-Id: <200208142003.g7EK3Eh18445@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Hooray for Captain Spaulding... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Our experiences with rescuing those downed bikers at Downieville last October made me realize the importance of having a more prepared medical kit, even if it's more likely to be used by someone other than fellow LR drivers! We go on enough multi-day trips in some fairly remote regions such that having a more prepared kit makes sense. The only thing we don't have that'd I'd really like to get is a snake bite kit. Maybe someone has suggestions regarding those?? jpipes >The worst I have had to deal with over the years fall into headaches, >cramps, clogged sinuses, upset tummys, slivers, small burns, bites & >scrapes. Knock on birmabright. > >I do miss that burn kit though. > >TeriAnn Wakeman If you send me direct mail, please >Santa Cruz, California start the subject line with TW - >twakeman@cruzers.com I will be sure to read the message [ 7 additional quoted lines pruned. ] -- Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 From bens Wed Aug 14 16:14:34 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7EKEYo18531 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 16:14:34 -0400 Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 16:14:33 -0400 Message-Id: <200208142014.g7EKEXK18527@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Franklin H. Yap" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Trauma Kit - was Captain Spaulding. Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Has anyone considered the Medical Backcountry Kit at REI? Frank ------------------------------s Eric Schoenman wrote: > [... > >> >>I got a FULLY outfitted ex-US Army field trauma medical kit for 40 >>bucks at >>a Berkley Surplus store. For another 10-15 bucks I completed the kit >>with >> From bens Wed Aug 14 16:26:14 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7EKQEN18673 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 16:26:14 -0400 Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 16:26:14 -0400 Message-Id: <200208142026.g7EKQEY18669@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Daniel Oppenheim" To: Subject: 1st aid Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; ] [ 34 lines filtered. ] charset="iso-8859-1" Before the Africa trips I asked an experienced EMT about what out-of-the = ordinary supplies to pack. His answers surprised me, but we took his = advice: Some heavy duty cardboard (thrown under a seat) for use as = splints arm or leg(and requite tape), . sanitary napkins (sterile, = individually wrapped, very absorbent, compact), and medicine particular = to the areas you'll be traveling....snake bite venom, anti-mosquito = netting/sprays for malaria, vomit inducing liquid, etc., and water = cleansing tablets (giardia, etc.). Vitamin I (Ibuprofen), aloe. He stressed the real needs aren't the cuts-and-bruises-repair, but the = life saving measures needed until you could transport someone to a care = facility. I recall the Downeyville trip, and the excellent care provided = because splints were available.... From bens Wed Aug 14 17:03:52 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7EL3qS19006 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 17:03:52 -0400 Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 17:03:51 -0400 Message-Id: <200208142103.g7EL3pq19002@minbar.fourfold.org> From: John Young To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Hooray for Captain Spaulding... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Congrats on the 1999 Disco II! A rather fine vehicle, if I may say so myself. Regarding first-aid kits, I thought the Land Rover first-aid kit was a fine bottle of single malt in a velvet-lined walnut burl case... ...and if things were worse than that, one would simply use the safari big game tranquilizer dart on themselves. -JY From bens Wed Aug 14 18:49:25 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7EMnPw19623 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 18:49:25 -0400 Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 18:49:25 -0400 Message-Id: <200208142249.g7EMnPP19619@minbar.fourfold.org> From: shukait@mac.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Emergency radiator / fuel tank leak repair tip Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org All, Just be careful when mixing this paste with gasoline. A crude form of napalm is soap flakes like Tide and gasoline, if forms a sticky paste and is very dangerous. Soap flakes and water would be fine for the radiator, but a gas tank fix, hummmmm. Ahhhh memories.... In our military training they said, "take out your tongue depressors and flick the napalm off" Our instructor forgot the first step of stop running around in circles screaming! > A Sri Lankan friend (who grew up there driving old > Morris Minors) told me his father used to make > emergency radiator and fuel tank repairs using bar > soap and sugar. Simply mix soap shavings with some > sugar and a few drops of water and the result is a > gummy wad that'll hold back water or gasoline. > Anyone hear of this?? > Joe Mulqueen > '67 SIIA 109 SW Cheers, Keith From bens Wed Aug 14 18:53:47 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7EMrlr19654 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 18:53:47 -0400 Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 18:53:47 -0400 Message-Id: <200208142253.g7EMrl719650@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Franklin H. Yap" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Emergency radiator / fuel tank leak repair tip Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org shukait@mac.com wrote: >... A crude form of >napalm is soap flakes like Tide and gasoline, if forms a sticky paste >and is very dangerous. Soap flakes and water would be fine for the >radiator, but a gas tank fix, hummmmm. > Many years ago I ran a piece of bar soap, as recommended by a mechanic, over a pinhole leak in a gas tank .. and it worked. Frank From bens Wed Aug 14 18:58:43 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7EMwho19699 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 18:58:43 -0400 Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 18:58:43 -0400 Message-Id: <200208142258.g7EMwhm19694@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: " mendo rec list" Subject: Re: Hooray for Captain Spaulding... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Our experiences with rescuing those downed bikers at Downieville last >October made me realize the importance of having a more prepared medical >kit, I'm of two minds about this one. It is so easy to exacerbate an injury and possibly cause permanent damage. And so many Americans LOVE to sue. My inclination these days is to call for help and provide shock & loss of blood stailization treatment until help comes. I'm inclined to let the pros with the deep pockets handle anything major that I might come across. But I'm happy to provide stabilization treatment. I'm not ready to deal with someone in a wheelchair because of bouncing around on a stiff set of leaf springs. TeriAnn Wakeman If you send me direct mail, please Santa Cruz, California start the subject line with TW - twakeman@cruzers.com I will be sure to read the message http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 From bens Wed Aug 14 19:32:12 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7ENWC919896 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 19:32:12 -0400 Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 19:32:11 -0400 Message-Id: <200208142332.g7ENWBL19892@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Emergency radiator / fuel tank leak repair tip Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org ...sure you're not thinking of Crystal Draino??? Charles On Wed, 14 Aug 2002 18:49:25 -0400 shukait@mac.com writes: > > All, > > Just be careful when mixing this paste with gasoline. A crude form > of > napalm is soap flakes like Tide and gasoline, if forms a sticky > paste > and is very dangerous. Soap flakes and water would be fine for the > radiator, but a gas tank fix, hummmmm. [ 21 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Wed Aug 14 19:34:29 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7ENYT419911 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 19:34:29 -0400 Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 19:34:29 -0400 Message-Id: <200208142334.g7ENYTR19907@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Casey McMullen To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: 1st aid Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 13 lines filtered. ] As a former EMT, I'll mention a few things. Jason asked about snake bite kits. The only one I'm familiar with that's worth getting is the "Sawyer Extractor." It's a yellow syringe looking thing with different rubber tips for various sized bites. Sometimes you find small pocket kits with a little rubber squeeze bulb, especially at hunting/fishing type stores. Stay away from them, they are useless. I've been meaning to get a Sawyer for myself, there are plenty of snakes out there in CA and NV. Second, sanitary napkins. They might be a good thing to have on hand for female types, or for sopping up messes, but never use one on a bleeding injury. They are designed to absorb as much as possible and will continue to draw blood out of a wound. Purpose made trauma dressings on the other hand have a physical structure specially designed for busting open the fibrinogen (sp?) clotting packets in the blood, cause clotting, and stop the bleeding faster. A lot of well meaning schools give sanitary pads to teachers to use in case of injuries, but they are probably worse than using nothing at all. Daniel is right about splints, they really did make the difference in Downyville. Any material like cardboard is good to carry, SAM splints (flexible aluminum sheets covered in foam) are also excellent. Stay away from inflatable air splints though. Remember from basic first aid that you want to splint a possible broken limb as it lays to avoid additional internal injury. The old air splints the military (and civies) used to use straighten out the limb as they inflate. They can also restrict blood flow which is important in keeping the damaged tissue healthy. They might be ok for certain situations, maybe better than nothing, but not ideal. What are really cool (also big $$$) are vacu-splints. They are pouches filled with foam beads like a bean-bag chair, you wrap it around a limb, snug up some velcro straps, and suck the air out with a little hand pump. It gets rock hard and immobilizes a limb in any position. On our ambahlance we had little ones for hands up through big ones for an entire leg. Most of the outdoor kits they sell out there are pretty good. If you want to make your own, take a look at the list of contents in a catalog or at a store for ideas of what to carry. -Casey From bens Wed Aug 14 19:51:12 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7ENpCP20035 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 19:51:12 -0400 Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 19:51:12 -0400 Message-Id: <200208142351.g7ENpC020031@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Casey McMullen To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: 1st aid Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > > Our experiences with rescuing those downed bikers at Downieville last > > October made me realize the importance of having a more prepared medical > > kit, > > I'm of two minds about this one. It is so easy to exacerbate an injury > and possibly cause permanent damage. And so many Americans LOVE to sue. > > My inclination these days is to call for help and provide shock & loss of > blood stailization treatment until help comes. I'm inclined to let the [ 2 additional quoted lines pruned. ] It's definitely a touchy issue, and you have to make a judgment call based on the situation. The good samaritan laws do a good job of protecting those who render help though. As long as you don't do something you're not trained to do, like trailside brain surgery. Making the choice to transport, like we did, should only be done if there will be too long a wait for official help. In our case, we couldn't radio out, and knew it would take many many hours to get a SAR team mobilized, on the scene, then to transport the patients. The guy I helped transport had a busted femur and probably could have waited a little longer to be transported, but it was his friends and their truck that did the transporting. I felt comfortable immobilizing the wounds, packaging him for transport and riding along to monitor vitals and watch for shock. In the case of the guy that Jason and Petra transported in their D110, he had been unconscious for an unknown period of time, was highly incoherent, and was a prime candidate for a head injury. It turned out he just had two broken elbows, but in my opinion they made the right choice to get him moving. The fact that they flew both of them out in a chopper suggests that the medical authorities agreed with our assessment. -Casey From bens Wed Aug 14 22:58:53 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7F2wrV21042 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 22:58:53 -0400 Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 22:58:53 -0400 Message-Id: <200208150258.g7F2wrr21038@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "tim boorman" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Beggin English lad!! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi all I'm trying to get an old copy of a Land Rover Owners magazine, i don't suppose anyone has the July 2001 edition of the mag lying around do they? It has an article about a guy who put a BMW 6 cylinder diesel lump into his Defender 90 and i'm considering the same convertion. 130bhp standard but with a bigger intercooler and a few tweeks of the injector pump/turbo apparently you can squeese of 190BHP - sounds good to me!! Unfortunatly along with my truck all my LRO mags are back in the UK, and me being an impacient git would like to resurch the convertion now before i attempt the project - although time, money and me constantly changing my mind will play a large roll in that too - did someone metion GMC V8 diesel!!!!!? Anyways, if anyone has a copy of the mag any chance i could borrow it/photocopy it? Paul - don't suppose i could come over to your gaff (house - bloody english slang!!!) sometime to check out your other truck and MG could i? Cheers - Tim _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From bens Wed Aug 14 23:14:13 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7F3EDK21142 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 23:14:13 -0400 Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 23:14:13 -0400 Message-Id: <200208150314.g7F3EDG21138@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Beggin English lad!! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- tim boorman wrote: > I'm trying to get an old copy of a Land Rover Owners > magazine, i don't > suppose anyone has the July 2001 edition of the mag lying > around do they? Still can't find it! ;-( ...but still looking... > Paul - don't suppose i could come over to your gaff > (house - bloody english > slang!!!) sometime to check out your other truck and MG > could i? Any time after sunday. I'm heading North to the Sea Ranch until than....just be warned it's rather cluttered! (no need for any comments from the peanut gallery, unless it's really funny...) by the way Tim, carefull reading that motorcycle magazine! One of my riding buddies just died in a fiery crash a few days ago on highway one, just found out and we're all taking it really bad. Paul __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From bens Wed Aug 14 23:24:24 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7F3OOm21202 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 23:24:24 -0400 Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 23:24:24 -0400 Message-Id: <200208150324.g7F3OOw21198@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Beggin English lad!! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Tim, I've got that issue at home, on my shelf of LR mags. Let me know how you want to get it!! >Hi all > >I'm trying to get an old copy of a Land Rover Owners magazine, i don't >suppose anyone has the July 2001 edition of the mag lying around do they? > >It has an article about a guy who put a BMW 6 cylinder diesel lump into his >Defender 90 and i'm considering the same convertion. 130bhp standard but >with a bigger intercooler and a few tweeks of the injector pump/turbo >apparently you can squeese of 190BHP - sounds good to me!! [ 22 additional quoted lines pruned. ] -- Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 From bens Wed Aug 14 23:28:03 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7F3S3i21234 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 23:28:03 -0400 Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 23:28:02 -0400 Message-Id: <200208150328.g7F3S2121230@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "tim boorman" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Beggin English lad!! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >From: Paul Archibald >Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Subject: Re: Beggin English lad!! >Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 23:14:13 -0400 > >--- tim boorman wrote: > > I'm trying to get an old copy of a Land Rover Owners > > magazine, i don't [ 19 additional quoted lines pruned. ] I'm really sorry to hear about your mate in the bike accident, unfortunatly its seams thats bikes and crashes run parallel with each other - guess thats the attraction to a lot of people (me included) I wont say any crap like 'least he was doing what he loved doing' cos it doesn't help - it just takes time to come to terms with it all. on a lighter note - whats the peanut gallery? or am i just being stupid!! - would be cool to come over sometime - give us a shout when you have some free time Take it easy mate - Tim > > >Paul > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs >http://www.hotjobs.com _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From bens Wed Aug 14 23:32:07 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7F3W7W21276 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 23:32:07 -0400 Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 23:32:07 -0400 Message-Id: <200208150332.g7F3W7M21272@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "tim boorman" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Beggin English lad!! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org whe hey!!!!!! I live in Mountain view are you far from there, i could come over a get i perhapes? or Are you going to the Holister BBQ? with a bit of luck (and depending on if i can blag a lift!!) should be going - perhapes you could bring it then???? - whats easiest for you? Cheers - Tim >From: Jason Pipes >Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Subject: Re: Beggin English lad!! >Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 23:24:24 -0400 > >Tim, I've got that issue at home, on my shelf of LR mags. Let me know how >you >want to get it!! [ 20 additional quoted lines pruned. ] _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From bens Wed Aug 14 23:37:39 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7F3bdh21308 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 23:37:39 -0400 Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 23:37:39 -0400 Message-Id: <200208150337.g7F3bdo21304@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "tim boorman" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: More meteor stuff Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi Tom, think we should be thanking you for putting on the execellent BBQ, i had an excellent time - thank you! It was cool to check out some more trucks as well - your Defender 90 is bloody amazing, has certainly given me idears for the next rebuild!!! hoprfully see you at the Hoilster BBQ? Take it easy - Tim >From: "Tom Walsh" >Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >To: >Subject: Re: More meteor stuff >Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 20:41:20 -0400 > >I'd like to thank everyone who showed up last, we had quite a crowd! My >wife >and I had a blast, I hope everyone else did! [ 7 additional quoted lines pruned. ] _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From bens Wed Aug 14 23:40:56 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7F3euI21340 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 23:40:56 -0400 Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 23:40:56 -0400 Message-Id: <200208150340.g7F3euW21336@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Peter Ogilvie To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Howdy Doody was Beggin English lad!! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Damn limey's don't know nuthin'. It's from a kids tv show from the '50s called Howdy Doody that attained cult status in the US. Featured a freckle faced puppet, a clown (Bob Keeshan of Captain Kangaroo fame) called Clara Belle, an Indian Princess puppet named Princess SummerFallWinterSpring and a host who was known as Buffalo Bob. The audience of kids was known as the "Peanut Gallery". More than you ever wanted to know about arcane TV trivia. Aloha Peter O. --- tim boorman wrote: > >--- tim boorman wrote: > on a lighter note - whats the peanut gallery? or am > i just being stupid!! - > Take it easy mate - Tim __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From bens Wed Aug 14 23:45:49 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7F3jnf21378 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 23:45:49 -0400 Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 23:45:49 -0400 Message-Id: <200208150345.g7F3jnI21374@minbar.fourfold.org> From: john hess To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: The finest British engineering? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hiya, As those who have been following along closely know, I bunged the radiator during my exploits to remove frame bushings. Anticipating that the old radiator would cost a bunch to fix, and probably should be recored, I bought a new one. This evening, I started pulling the old one and it went so fast, I put the new one in. Stubby is a 1960 series 2 and the radiator is a series 3. BUT, all the mounting holes matched perfectly! I was amazed. I now have to adjust the heater control valve to point at the heater and not leak and Stubby will once again be one the road. cheers, John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Land Rover Dormobile web pages: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby" 1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" 1999 Bianchi Milano, 2001 Bianchi Pista, 2000 Merlin Extra Fat 2002 Meridian Attache Softride Tandem From bens Wed Aug 14 23:49:31 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7F3nVv21420 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 23:49:31 -0400 Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 23:49:30 -0400 Message-Id: <200208150349.g7F3nUP21416@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "tim boorman" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Howdy Doody was Beggin English lad!! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >From: Peter Ogilvie >Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Subject: Re: Howdy Doody was Beggin English lad!! >Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 23:40:56 -0400 > >Damn limey's don't know nuthin'. It's from a kids tv >show from the '50s called Howdy Doody that attained >cult status in the US. Featured a freckle faced [ 14 additional quoted lines pruned. ] Guld blimey guv - na!!, that certainly told me whats what!!!!!! - limey's? - is that a stab at the English?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! tell ya what, this forum business is excellent, to get an answer like that from a simple question - fantastic - anyone know the meaning of life??????!!!!!!!!!!!!! (47 i last heard, has it gone up!!!!) > >--- tim boorman wrote: > > >--- tim boorman wrote: > > > on a lighter note - whats the peanut gallery? or am > > i just being stupid!! - > > > Take it easy mate - Tim > [ 5 additional quoted lines pruned. ] _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From bens Wed Aug 14 23:53:30 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7F3rUD21460 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 23:53:30 -0400 Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 23:53:30 -0400 Message-Id: <200208150353.g7F3rUA21456@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Beggin English lad!! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- tim boorman wrote: > I'm really sorry to hear about your mate in the bike > accident, unfortunatly > its seams thats bikes and crashes run parallel with each > other - guess thats > the attraction to a lot of people (me included) well I never thought of the crashing being an incentive to riding! personally i don't like the pain or the cost of re-building the bike(and body) but I know what you mean...it's teh rush you get when on two wheels. totally different feeling than driving a Land-Rover around, huh? > I wont say any crap like 'least he was doing what he > loved doing' cos it > doesn't help - it just takes time to come to terms with > it all. Yeah! ...but it is true! Riding was what Pablo truely loved. If he could have had a choice of how to die, it'd be riding. I just hope the brain damage was enough that he didn't feel the pain as he was really messed up...died in the helicopter to teh hospital. His $600. helmet helps some, but when you're gonna die, you're gonnd die. I'm guessing that he was probably going over 80 and the truck that he hit was probably going at least 65, so do the math, nothig could have saved him. > on a lighter note - whats the peanut gallery? or am i > just being stupid!! - it's an expression for friends who like to tease you or somethng like that..... > would be cool to come over sometime - give us a shout > when you have some > free time Maybe Monday night? Not sure yet, but I was wanting to get some friends together for sushi as it's my 36th birthday, and I want to start up an old tradition of going out for sushi with my friends on our birthdays. do you eat sushi? ;-) not everyone has the taste for raw fish... Tom and others? interested? Paul __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From bens Wed Aug 14 23:58:07 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7F3w7q21492 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 23:58:07 -0400 Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 23:58:07 -0400 Message-Id: <200208150358.g7F3w7h21488@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: More meteor stuff Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- tim boorman wrote: > > Hi Tom, > > think we should be thanking you for putting on the > execellent BBQ, i had an > excellent time - thank you! Yes Tom! Great gathering! Good job! ;-) Paul __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From bens Thu Aug 15 00:02:49 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7F42nF21650 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 00:02:49 -0400 Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 00:02:48 -0400 Message-Id: <200208150402.g7F42ma21646@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "tim boorman" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: The finest British engineering? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Yep - good old over engineered english vehicles!!!!! Guess thats one good thing you can say about us Brits, we tend to keep things as simple as possible and if it works we just leave it alone - if it ain't bust don't fix it n all that (or is that us just being stubern and stuck in our ways!!!!!) 'ooohhhh aaarrrrh, when i were a lad all we had all we had were a lump of wood and a blunt chisel to fix our vehicles - none of these fancy modern spanners things!!!!' Although it would be nice if Land Rover would look at other idears for once - maybe then they will actually fix the leaky door and use metal that doesn't rust 2 weeks after buying a new vehicle!!! Dam i love Land rovers - wish mine was over here!! Well done on the rad job by the way - another job ticked off the list!! take it easy - Tim >From: john hess >Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Subject: The finest British engineering? >Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 23:45:49 -0400 > >Hiya, > >As those who have been following along closely know, I bunged the [ 19 additional quoted lines pruned. ] _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From bens Thu Aug 15 00:09:53 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7F49rk21740 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 00:09:53 -0400 Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 00:09:53 -0400 Message-Id: <200208150409.g7F49rH21736@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "tim boorman" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Beggin English lad!! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >From: Paul Archibald >Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Subject: Re: Beggin English lad!! >Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 23:53:30 -0400 > >--- tim boorman wrote: > > I'm really sorry to hear about your mate in the bike > > accident, unfortunatly [ 41 additional quoted lines pruned. ] Shusi? hhhhmmmmmm, never tried it, sounds intersting (cold fish??) bet its expensive!!! does it taste anything like bangers and mash!!!!!!! But yeah, i'll be up for it (Happy Birthday by the way!!) any beer involved????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Tim > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs >http://www.hotjobs.com _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From bens Thu Aug 15 00:27:47 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7F4Rln22983 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 00:27:47 -0400 Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 00:27:46 -0400 Message-Id: <200208150427.g7F4Rkj22979@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Beggin English lad!! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- tim boorman wrote: > Shusi? hhhhmmmmmm, never tried it, sounds intersting > (cold fish??) bet its > expensive!!! ...but of course! ;-) Yes cold raw fish wrapped up in sea-weed and rice, or buy itself as sashimi. yum! > does it taste anything like bangers and > mash!!!!!!! thank god no! ;-) Americans think of bangers as really good tasting saussages.......my childhood memory of the real thing in England was a bit different...the bangers were made up with whatever was leftover at the end of teh day, incl the sawdust fromt eh froor when they picked what fell...they were what you bought when money was tight(read: everyone enngland at the time...) > But yeah, i'll be up for it (Happy Birthday by the way!!) > any beer > involved????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Always! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From bens Thu Aug 15 01:29:59 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7F5Txh23605 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 01:29:59 -0400 Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 01:29:59 -0400 Message-Id: <200208150529.g7F5Txt23601@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Tom Walsh" To: Subject: Re: The finest British engineering? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > BUT, all the mounting holes > matched perfectly! I was amazed. I now have to adjust the heater > control valve to point at the heater and not leak and Stubby will > once again be one the road. > > cheers, > > > John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us From all the troubles you've had recently, you deserved an "easy" one! TomW :) From bens Thu Aug 15 01:30:45 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7F5Ujl23637 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 01:30:45 -0400 Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 01:30:45 -0400 Message-Id: <200208150530.g7F5Uju23633@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Tom Walsh" To: Subject: Re: More meteor stuff Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > > Hi Tom, > > think we should be thanking you for putting on the execellent BBQ, i had an > excellent time - thank you! > > It was cool to check out some more trucks as well - your Defender 90 is > bloody amazing, has certainly given me idears for the next rebuild!!! > > hoprfully see you at the Hoilster BBQ? I'm planning on being their! TomW From bens Thu Aug 15 01:34:56 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7F5Yu223656 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 01:34:56 -0400 Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 01:34:55 -0400 Message-Id: <200208150534.g7F5Ytl23652@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Tom Walsh" To: Subject: Re: Hooray for Captain Spaulding... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > so we are now the proud owners of a 1999 > Land Rover Discovery Series II (Oslo Blue). Congrads! You'll have fun with it! TomW From bens Thu Aug 15 01:39:31 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7F5dVm23686 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 01:39:31 -0400 Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 01:39:31 -0400 Message-Id: <200208150539.g7F5dVs23682@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Tom Walsh" To: Subject: Re: Beggin English lad!! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > > would be cool to come over sometime - give us a shout > > when you have some > > free time > Maybe Monday night? Not sure yet, but I was wanting to get > some friends together for sushi as it's my 36th birthday, > and I want to start up an old tradition of going out for > sushi with my friends on our birthdays. do you eat sushi? > ;-) not everyone has the taste for raw fish... Tom and > others? interested? [ 2 additional quoted lines pruned. ] Count me in, Bobs birthday is coming up ( or happened ) so he may wanna come also! TomW From bens Thu Aug 15 02:57:18 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7F6vI224010 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 02:57:18 -0400 Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 02:57:18 -0400 Message-Id: <200208150657.g7F6vIN24006@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "G. Mugele" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Joe Isuzu (was Hooray for Captain Spaulding...) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org At 1:06 PM -0400 8/14/02, Charles R Irvin wrote: > >Gerry M...when do we get more of your Joe Isuzu classics to watch!?!?!? > Huh what? I was no where near the place and never laid a hand on it/her/him/them. Wha chew talkin' 'bout dude? Gerry I'm reading a very interesting book about anti-gravity. I just can't put it down. From bens Thu Aug 15 03:16:34 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7F7GYH24130 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 03:16:34 -0400 Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 03:16:34 -0400 Message-Id: <200208150716.g7F7GY324126@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Beggin English lad!! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Tim, I'll be at the Hollister Trail event and I can bring the issue at that time. If you need a ride you can drive with Petra and I if you desire. We live in downtown SF. Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 From bens Thu Aug 15 10:37:48 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7FEbmI26414 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 10:37:48 -0400 Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 10:37:48 -0400 Message-Id: <200208151437.g7FEbmk26410@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: " mendo rec list" Subject: Re: Howdy Doody was Beggin English lad!! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Damn limey's don't know nuthin'. It's from a kids tv >show from the '50s called Howdy Doody that attained >cult status in the US. >The audience of kids was known as the "Peanut >Gallery". I grew up watching that too. But I suspect the term is older than Howdy Doody and was period common slang for a gallery of spectators at an event. One of the early American sporting event and circus munches sold to the spectators in the gallery was fresh roasted peanuts. Hence, "peanut gallery" as a group of spectators generally very vocal and generally with no expertise in the subject that are being vocal about. TeriAnn Wakeman If you send me direct mail, please Santa Cruz, California start the subject line with TW - twakeman@cruzers.com I will be sure to read the message http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 From bens Thu Aug 15 11:03:55 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7FF3t926619 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 11:03:55 -0400 Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 11:03:55 -0400 Message-Id: <200208151503.g7FF3tK26615@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Joe Isuzu (was Hooray for Captain Spaulding...) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Sorry...was thinking Lou W. Charles On Thu, 15 Aug 2002 02:57:18 -0400 "G. Mugele" writes: > > At 1:06 PM -0400 8/14/02, Charles R Irvin wrote: > > > >Gerry M...when do we get more of your Joe Isuzu classics to > watch!?!?!? > > > > Huh what? I was no where near the place and never laid a hand on > it/her/him/them. [ 7 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Thu Aug 15 11:15:17 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7FFFHZ26755 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 11:15:17 -0400 Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 11:15:16 -0400 Message-Id: <200208151515.g7FFFGX26751@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: " mendo rec list" Subject: Re: Beggin English lad!! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >well I never thought of the crashing being an incentive to >riding! personally i don't like the pain or the cost of >re-building the bike(and body) I have an old friend from Apple who took out a deer on Summit with his Ducati. Went around in a couple of casts for a while, bought another Ducati before the last cast came off then rebuilt the crashed one as well. He's not very good at this sanity thing. > but I know what you >mean...it's teh rush you get when on two wheels. When gas prices first jumped up around 1980ish I was having a hard time keeping the Green Rover (Land Rover content) in fuel for my 45 mile each way commute and bought the first of two bikes for commuting to work. The first was a Yamaha 400 and needed to be at near full throttle on freeway hills. It was replaced by a Suzuki 650 that was a lot smoother with four cylinders instead of two. The rush? I remember being rear ended in stop and go traffic by a pickup before the bike got its plates. I remember dropping the bike in a long stretch of black ice on Bear Creek road after almost making it passed a row of crashed cars on both sides of the road (a person was killed there the following day then they put sand on it). I remember a rear tyre blow outgoing into Laural curve on #17 and the rush of trying to stay upright through the curve with the rear wheel dancing around (made it). I remember the commute home after dark on #17 in the rain & those times when there was rain and fog near summit so thick you could not tell where the road was unless you rode the line. Those times commuting into work soaking wet and sitting there working away while the clothes I was wearing were dripping wet. And my riding suit was hanging in the shipping/receiving area creating a large puddle. Sometimes the rush was getting warm and dry agai with my hands wraped around a nice hot cuppa tea. I'm fully convinced that anyone who rides a bike on the sides of the tyres are totally bonkers. I had over 60K miles on the Suzuki before replacing it with a sensible ride, my Triumph TR3A. And I almost never looked back. The closest I came was looking at an Indian before I saw the price tag. Something to be said about the stability of 4 wheels and being able to erect the hood and add the side curtains when the rain starts. I've always believed that reality is what you make of it. I prefer mine reasonably comfortable with an illusion of safety. I guess adrenalin is not my drug of choice. TeriAnn Wakeman If you send me direct mail, please Santa Cruz, California start the subject line with TW - twakeman@cruzers.com I will be sure to read the message http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 From bens Thu Aug 15 11:34:44 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7FFYid26880 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 11:34:44 -0400 Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 11:34:44 -0400 Message-Id: <200208151534.g7FFYij26876@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Beggin English lad!! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Speaking of bikes..... A good friend of mine (name deleted so's not to embarras him too much - he used to be a Land Rover guy...) called me up a month or so ago: we talked for a while, catching up (we hadn't talked in a while) and he mentioned that a week prior, he was rear-ended on the freeway by a CHP motorcycle!!!!!! Seems that the officer was "lane splitting" (something the public tried to outlaw many years ago), and hadn't paid attention to what cars in front of him were doing - like changing lanes. He hit the right rear corner of my friends' car, damaging the bumper and quarter panel, but the expensive part was the (totaled) damage to his $2100 Cannondale mountain bike that was on a carrier on the rear of the car! The officer is okay, albeit feeling a bit stupid. Charles ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Thu Aug 15 11:52:50 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7FFqo327089 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 11:52:50 -0400 Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 11:52:50 -0400 Message-Id: <200208151552.g7FFqo327085@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Fil F." To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Beggin English lad!! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org hey Time - welcome to the list - Paul - i'm up for sushi - where and when - will it be in the Feakmont area, i invite all to park their rovers in my neighborhood and we can take the regular car to the sushi place , i prefer it your rover is full of mud and can leave some behond for my neighbors - just kidding fil _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From bens Thu Aug 15 11:59:57 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7FFxvO27154 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 11:59:57 -0400 Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 11:59:57 -0400 Message-Id: <200208151559.g7FFxvk27150@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Fil F." To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Beggin English lad!! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org sorry - i meant Tim - isn't there a "Wheels" event on Hollister on the same day we are having our BBQ/grill event fil >From: "Fil F." >Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Subject: Re: Beggin English lad!! >Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 11:52:50 -0400 > >hey Time - welcome to the list > >- Paul - i'm up for sushi - where and when - will it be in the Feakmont [ 8 additional quoted lines pruned. ] _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From bens Thu Aug 15 12:28:01 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7FGS1N27322 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 12:28:01 -0400 Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 12:28:01 -0400 Message-Id: <200208151628.g7FGS1c27318@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Franklin H. Yap" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Beggin English lad!! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Charles R Irvin wrote: >... >Seems that the officer was "lane splitting" (something the public tried >to outlaw many years ago), and hadn't paid attention to what cars in >front of him were doing - > When lane splitting, it is not just a matter of not paying attention. It takes a fraction of section for the driver, who didn't check his mirror/blind spot, to cut in front of you. Plus some drivers move erratically within their lanes. No matter how careful I am, I was always nervous about those idiotic drivers when I used to lane-split. Frank From bens Thu Aug 15 12:44:26 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7FGiQW27441 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 12:44:26 -0400 Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 12:44:26 -0400 Message-Id: <200208151644.g7FGiQD27437@minbar.fourfold.org> From: john hess To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Beggin English lad!! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Frank and others, I've got to chime in here. In my experience, bikes USUALLY (not always) lane split when traffic is slow/stopped. And in my opinion it is a dangerous not that intelligent thing to do. In slow traffic, type A drivers see a gap in traffic and wham, they cut over. Meanwhile the bike coming up the lane, going twice as fast as the rest of traffic gets a big surprise. Not arguing legality, just preservation of body and machine. 'Course, being an old fuddy duddy, it bothers me when people use the open space in front of the Merc or the Rovers for lane changes or passing. Since all our cars are heavy and have drum brakes, I leave extra space for stopping; I don't want to use the car ahead for a crumple zone. cheers, > always nervous about those idiotic drivers when I used to lane-split. > > Frank > > > > john hess, Davis, California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Dormie web pages at http://dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/startpoint.html From bens Thu Aug 15 12:46:57 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7FGkvc27495 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 12:46:57 -0400 Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 12:46:57 -0400 Message-Id: <200208151646.g7FGkvP27491@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Turner, Jon [LFS]" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: Re: Wheels event Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 114 lines filtered. ] This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. I've heard that rumor as well. Jon -------------------------- Jon Turner LifeScan, Inc. 408.956.4457 sent via Blackberry From bens Thu Aug 15 12:57:48 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7FGvml27585 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 12:57:48 -0400 Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 12:57:48 -0400 Message-Id: <200208151657.g7FGvmR27581@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gerry Elam" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Beggin English lad!! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > >Seems that the officer was "lane splitting" (something the public and >When lane splitting, it is not just a matter of not paying attention. I thought that CA law limited lane splitting to when traffic was stopped or the speeds were less than 25 MPH. You want to see lane-splitting? Go go Sao Paulo and watch the messenger bikes where there are none over about 30 and one kill per day is fairly normal news. Cheers, Gerry PHX AZ _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From bens Thu Aug 15 13:00:43 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7FH0hh27629 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 13:00:43 -0400 Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 13:00:43 -0400 Message-Id: <200208151700.g7FH0hX27625@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: lane splitting Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I never had the guts to try lane splitting for myself. Plus, when I'm on the bike, I try to behave in traffic like it's a car and not take advantage of my extra capabilities, but rather try to leave them as margin for emergency situations. I also think it generates a little bit of bad blood with the 4-wheel types if the motorcycles act like a different set of rules apply. Some say it makes for a boring ride, letting the Saber perform like a G-wagen. But, being boring and getting home alive every day is okay with me. I have my times and places for having fun. The real brave souls were the motorcyclists in China. Over there, every road-going vehicle seems to be allowed about a 3" cushion of space around it's exterior surfaces, whether it be a bicycle, moped, car, or 5-ton delivery truck. Traffic flows really well, but I don't know how there aren't more accidents. I remember riding with a local guy in a taxi and we came to an intersection that had a traffic light, and a cop on a pedestal in the center directing traffic. After I noticed the cop was mimicking the light, I asked, "How come they need a cop when the traffic light is working fine?" He said, "If the cop wasn't there, nobody would obey the light." :^) -Dave G. From bens Thu Aug 15 13:02:27 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7FH2Rm27654 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 13:02:27 -0400 Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 13:02:27 -0400 Message-Id: <200208151702.g7FH2Rp27650@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gerry Elam" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Mojave trip? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Is Aug and 108 degrees in PHX too early to start dreaming about the annual New Year's Mojave trip? Was glancing at the calendar and New Year's is right in the middle of the week. Since this is generally a weekend trip, does that mean we do it the weekend prior on Saturday, Dec. 28th from Needles? To any/all newcomers, this trip to me is one of the highlights of the year. Second only to the Mendo run. Always well attended and we've had weather that has varied from rain to light snow to full sunshine. The first night is always cold due to the altitude and the second is always mild. It's a great trip so mark your calendars now and start to lobby the spouse. Cheers, Gerry PHX AZ _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From bens Thu Aug 15 13:02:52 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7FH2q327669 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 13:02:52 -0400 Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 13:02:52 -0400 Message-Id: <200208151702.g7FH2qs27665@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Beggin English lad!! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I should elaborate on how the accident happened: The officer was splitting between the far right lane, and the lane to it's immediate left. My friend was in the third lane over, and signaled a lane change to the lane to his right (the second lane), and moved over as the lane he was moving into, was clear. Just as he was completing the lane change, the officer came up behind him. Granted, the officer was probably in a position where he couldn't see my friend moving over (depending on what he was passing, and what was behind my friend - if it was a tractor-trailer or a Class A RV for example, then the officer had no business even being there with a motorcycle, and should have known better), but in a legal sense, he still rear-ended my friend. Traffic was actually moving at 65mph, and wasn't stopped. While I would probably be a lane splitter if I rode a motorcycle, I sure wouldn't do it unless traffic was stopped...I live on the edge enough as it is! Depending on the vehicle, it may not be possible to check a blind spot, which is why lane splitting shouldn't be done. In my SD1 (with standard ride height), if you look out the rear window to see what's there, you're not going to see a Spitfire or a Bugeye if they're close enough to you, because the rear window doesn't drop down low enough (this was corrected on later, non U.S. models). If you're far enough ahead of them, you can see the tops of the windshield frames Charles On Thu, 15 Aug 2002 12:28:01 -0400 "Franklin H. Yap" writes: > > > When lane splitting, it is not just a matter of not paying > attention. > It takes a fraction of section for the driver, who didn't check his > > mirror/blind spot, to cut in front of you. Plus some drivers move > erratically within their lanes. No matter how careful I am, I was > always nervous about those idiotic drivers when I used to [ 6 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Thu Aug 15 13:06:05 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7FH65Z27708 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 13:06:05 -0400 Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 13:06:04 -0400 Message-Id: <200208151706.g7FH64x27704@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Eric Schoenman To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re:Lane splitting - was Beggin English lad!! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/enriched; ] [ 85 lines filtered. ] --Apple-Mail-1--415720752 charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed When I first started riding, I noticed the same thing about drivers switching lanes in slow moving traffic. One thing I also noticed is that when cars are driving side by side and not offset they tend not to change lanes (because there's a car in the way). I find that is the best place to split lanes. If the cars are driving offset, I slow it way down and pass cars very wide (almost in an S pattern) to give lots of room in case they do change lanes and by moving around I am more like to be noticed. Eric 88 RR 65 BMW R50/2 00 BMW R1150GS 81 Vespa P200 68 Vespa 150 Sprint (Allstate) On Thursday, August 15, 2002, at 09:44 AM, john hess wrote: > > Frank and others, I've got to chime in here. In my experience, bikes > USUALLY (not always) lane split when traffic is slow/stopped. And in my > opinion it is a dangerous not that intelligent thing to do. In slow > traffic, type A drivers see a gap in traffic and wham, they cut over. > Meanwhile the bike coming up the lane, going twice as fast as the rest > of > traffic gets a big surprise. Not arguing legality, just preservation of > body and machine. 'Course, being an old fuddy duddy, it bothers me [ 25 additional quoted lines pruned. ] Eric --Apple-Mail-1--415720752 From bens Thu Aug 15 13:17:42 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7FHHgB27781 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 13:17:42 -0400 Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 13:17:42 -0400 Message-Id: <200208151717.g7FHHgU27777@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: " mendo rec list" Subject: Re: Beggin English lad!! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >When lane splitting, it is not just a matter of not paying attention. A lot of time it a a matter of a cyclist going too fast for conditions. If a cyclist is going a lot aster than the cars an driver can look in the morror then make a change and find a bike suddenly relavent traffic. Esp if the bike was in a ligit lane and decides the car in front isn't going fast enough. Bike acceleration can get it into trouble. I've seen a number of bikes tagged whilst lane splitting. I once had my passanger side mirror broken by a bike splitting lanes in slow traffic. Except I was in the right lane and not changing lanes at the time. Considering the quality of drivers on the road doing anything you can imagine whilst driving and the number of cyclists who NEED to ride their bike at or beyond the edge, I'm suprised anyone makes it to work alive. > I was >always nervous about those idiotic drivers when I used to lane-split. Me too. Thats why I never split lanes on a bike unless traffic was stopped and even then I did it slowly whist watching to see if the drivers were buisy with something besides driving. TeriAnn Wakeman If you send me direct mail, please Santa Cruz, California start the subject line with TW - twakeman@cruzers.com I will be sure to read the message http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 From bens Thu Aug 15 13:18:34 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7FHIY527805 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 13:18:34 -0400 Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 13:18:33 -0400 Message-Id: <200208151718.g7FHIX427801@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Stirling Anderson To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Beggin English lad!! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- Paul Archibald wrote: > Maybe Monday night? Not sure yet, but I was wanting > to get > some friends together for sushi as it's my 36th > birthday, > and I want to start up an old tradition of going out > for > sushi with my friends on our birthdays. do you eat > sushi? > ;-) not everyone has the taste for raw fish... Tom [ 4 additional quoted lines pruned. ] If you're inviting everyone, Amy and I will attend. ;) Happy Birthday! 36?! Really?? hehe I had to. :) We usually make our own sushi, since most resturaunts don't quite have a very good vegeterian selection... and since I've always been the "I can build one of those better and dive in head first" type, even though most people think Vege-sushi defeats the purpose of sushi I still like it better than the fish type. We can make some as a pre-dinner apetizer for those vegetable types, and the curious that will show. And, it's even better the next day as leftovers... something I wouldn't do with fish. :) Take care, Stirling __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From bens Thu Aug 15 13:42:03 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7FHg3u28111 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 13:42:03 -0400 Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 13:42:03 -0400 Message-Id: <200208151742.g7FHg3V28107@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Thomas Joyner" To: "Mendo List" Subject: Opinions anyone? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org All, I'm in the middle of a summer long project building up a 4.2l engine to put in my 88 RR. I have nearly all the parts together for final assembly and need advice/opinion on what to do about the water pump. I am trying to decide weather or not to re-use the one that is currently on my 3.5 (w/90k orig miles). The current pump shows no outward signs of distress or immnent failure, no funny noises, etc. I'd hate to put it on the new engine and then have it go south. Is there such thing as a WP re-build kit, and is it cost effective to do such a thing (on a preemptive basis)? Should I just order a new one from Mohammed or any of the others? Also, someone on ebay is selling a water pump (with a higher flow rate) from a Buick 300 that is claimed to be a bolt right up fit to the Rover timing cover. Anyone know anything about this? I'll be posting this question on the rover V8 list too. What's an engine builder to do?!! Tom 88 RR Durango From bens Thu Aug 15 13:47:51 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7FHlpc28157 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 13:47:51 -0400 Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 13:47:51 -0400 Message-Id: <200208151747.g7FHlp628153@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mojave trip? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org ...Count me in this year - and I'll even have several Land Rovers to choose from!!!!! Charles On Thu, 15 Aug 2002 13:02:27 -0400 "Gerry Elam" writes: > > Is Aug and 108 degrees in PHX too early to start dreaming about the > annual > New Year's Mojave trip? > > Was glancing at the calendar and New Year's is right in the middle > of the > week. Since this is generally a weekend trip, does that mean we do > it the [ 21 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Thu Aug 15 14:05:09 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7FI59G28359 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 14:05:09 -0400 Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 14:05:08 -0400 Message-Id: <200208151805.g7FI58D28355@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Opinions anyone? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Get a new pump, keep the old one for a trail spare. Higher flow is not necessarily a good thing in engine cooling. The LR system works fine when all parts are in good working order. I'd keep it stock. Just my opinion. -Dave G. From bens Thu Aug 15 14:14:53 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7FIErL28422 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 14:14:53 -0400 Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 14:14:53 -0400 Message-Id: <200208151814.g7FIEr228418@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "jcsf" To: "Mendo" Subject: niagara rim Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org hey fellas ... and ladies: i am planning on joining the niagara event this wkd. anyone leaving from sf fri afternoon/night-ish and wanna convoy? lemme know (btw, i am in digest mode so try emailing me offlist, too). thx jc 00 DSII Black (new plates: GIRL RVR)(ha!) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ jeanne chung 415.812.4864 (415.81.CHUNG) jeanne@alum.mit.edu ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From bens Thu Aug 15 14:26:49 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7FIQns28538 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 14:26:49 -0400 Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 14:26:48 -0400 Message-Id: <200208151826.g7FIQm128534@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Peter Ogilvie To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Motorcycle safety was Beggin English lad!! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org There are two major safety problems with a Motorcycle. The first is people just don't see a bike. Apparently your mind sees what you expect to see and that's an automobile, not a motorcycle. I used to ride a motorcycle, still ride bicycles so am very aware of them and sympathetic with their problems. I've had people not just look at me but stare at me on my motorcyle, only to pull out in front of me. Even being very aware of motorcycles, I've pulled out in front of a motorcycle. I just didn't see it. Can't count the number of times I've nearly pulled out in front of a motorcycle only to realize it was there at the last minute. The alway on headlight law is probably the best thing that has ever happened for motorcycle safety. I almost always see the headlight first, then the bike, not the other way around. If I still had a bike, I'd put a 100watt bulb in and drive with it on high beam during the day. Probably cost a lot of money in bulb replacements but it'd be a lot cheaper than a trip to the emergency room. The second major problem is that most motorcycles have much greater performance than the capability of the rider. From following the local paper, it seems that most accidents are caused by driving too fast for conditions. Can't count the number of fatalities from MC's going off the road when the rider loses control. The only thing that's going to save these fools is divine providence and a helmet. Since I've had intimate experience with the efficacy of a bicycle helmet, can't believe idiots will ride a motorcycle without one. If for no other reason than I shouldn't have to pay to scrape their brains off the sidewalk. You know that 99% of the permanently physically impaired people, because of helmetless head injuries, are going to end up on the public dole. If you think you have the freedom to ride without a helmet, you should also accept the freedom to be left beside the road where you crashed. Last but not least, alcohol, that's '0' tolerance, should not be mixed with riding. It's not so much that your physical reflexes are impaired but that your mental reflexes are. Can only think of 2 or 3 times that I was in trouble on a bike, either from my or anothers cause, when I hadn't had a drink. Dicey situations were legion when alcohol was involved. A couple of beers wouldn't affect my physical control much at all. A beer or ten certainly affected my invincibility factor leading to stupid decisions on safe operation. If you ride a bike, be sure that that headlight is on. Expect that every car on the road is out to get you and will do anything possible to send you to the hospital. If you want to drive fast on a motorcycle, be very aware of where you'll end up if you lay it down and how much fun life as a vegetable is. Aloha Peter O. --- TeriAnn Wakeman wrote: > Considering the quality of drivers on the road doing > anything you can > imagine whilst driving and the number of cyclists > who NEED to ride their > bike at or beyond the edge, I'm suprised anyone > makes it to work alive. > TeriAnn Wakeman If you send me direct __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From bens Thu Aug 15 14:38:02 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7FIc2I28644 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 14:38:02 -0400 Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 14:38:01 -0400 Message-Id: <200208151838.g7FIc1o28640@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Peter Ogilvie To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Beggin English lad!! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Had an acquaintance who was a medically retired CHP motorcylcle officer. He'd put in close to 20 years before an accident totalled a knee. Interesting talking to him. He said very few CHP bike cops make it to longevity retirement. A riding injury of one kind or another gets them before they get their time in. Aloha Peter O. --- Charles R Irvin wrote: he > mentioned that a week prior, he was rear-ended on > the freeway by a CHP > motorcycle!!!!!! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From bens Thu Aug 15 14:48:44 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7FImiZ28735 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 14:48:44 -0400 Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 14:48:44 -0400 Message-Id: <200208151848.g7FImiU28731@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: niagara rim - directions posted Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hey everyone, directions for the trip this weekend have been posted on the club website in the calendar, FYI. -- Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 From bens Thu Aug 15 15:20:14 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7FJKEa29036 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 15:20:14 -0400 Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 15:20:13 -0400 Message-Id: <200208151920.g7FJKDL29032@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: " mendo rec list" Subject: Re: Mojave trip? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Was glancing at the calendar and New Year's is right in the middle of the >week. Since this is generally a weekend trip, does that mean we do it the >weekend prior on Saturday, Dec. 28th from Needles? Or make it a Monday through Friday longer trip with the weekend on each end as travel days? No reason the trip could not be lengthened. My participation depends upon my housing status. It is concievable I may be moving around that time. TeriAnn Wakeman If you send me direct mail, please Santa Cruz, California start the subject line with TW - twakeman@cruzers.com I will be sure to read the message http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 From bens Thu Aug 15 15:30:01 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7FJU1I29145 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 15:30:01 -0400 Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 15:30:00 -0400 Message-Id: <200208151930.g7FJU0a29137@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Franklin H. Yap" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Motorcycle safety was Beggin English lad!! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Peter Ogilvie wrote: .. > From following the local paper, it seems that >most accidents are caused by driving too fast for >conditions. > But from what I've read, most accidents are caused by careless drivers. As for bicycle helmets, the latest report is helmet use is up but injuries have also increased. The headline was - bike helmets don't increase your safety. It didn't seem right to me and I couldn't tell from the statistical analysis how the conclusion was made. (You know you can always manipulate statistics to suit your conclusion.) On another note, I was just at the REI in Berkeley (they have a good bicycle service department!) and saw the new Hummer H2. Impressive looking vehicle. Also saw a young lady in a blue D90SW. Frank From bens Thu Aug 15 15:44:44 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7FJii529244 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 15:44:44 -0400 Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 15:44:43 -0400 Message-Id: <200208151944.g7FJihD29240@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Polla Slade" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mojave trip? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Gerry, I've officially relocated to Vegas now, we're just waiting to move into our place in about 30 days. I would LOVE to be able to go to this event, give me more details! I would imagine if you are coming up from PHX then it wouldn't be that difficult for me to attend from Vegas??? Later, Michael _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From bens Thu Aug 15 15:51:12 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7FJpCN29320 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 15:51:12 -0400 Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 15:51:12 -0400 Message-Id: <200208151951.g7FJpCg29316@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Benjamin Smith To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Motorcycle safety was Beggin English lad!! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In message <200208151930.g7FJU0a29137@minbar.fourfold.org>you wrote: > As for bicycle helmets, the latest report is helmet use is up but > injuries have also increased. The headline was - bike helmets don't > increase your safety. It didn't seem right to me and I couldn't tell > from the statistical analysis how the conclusion was made. (You know > you can always manipulate statistics to suit your conclusion.) True. However I recently saw a similar article. Which basically was helmet use is up, bike use is down and injuries are up. They attributed the problem to people thinking that they are invincible since they have a brain bucket. So they tried to do more dangerous things which resulted in more injuries. Most likely it is a more complex issue than such a simple answer, but, based on what I've seen skiiing, I've seen people do that. Ben From bens Thu Aug 15 16:01:32 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7FK1Wf29442 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 16:01:32 -0400 Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 16:01:31 -0400 Message-Id: <200208152001.g7FK1V529438@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Bruce R. Bonar" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Motorcycle safety was Beggin English lad!! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Ben M. and I saw a H2 in S.J. a couple of weeks ago, and I saw another one on the road yesterday. So far my impression is the H2 is uglier than the H1 without the ground clearance. Still a very large vehicle in comparison to anything other than a H1. Bruce "Franklin H. Yap" wrote: > ... saw the new Hummer H2. Impressive > looking vehicle. From bens Thu Aug 15 16:09:44 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7FK9iG29545 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 16:09:44 -0400 Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 16:09:44 -0400 Message-Id: <200208152009.g7FK9iJ29541@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gerry Elam" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mojave trip? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Or make it a Monday through Friday longer trip with the weekend on each >end as travel days? No reason the trip could not be lengthened. I hope you can make it. One reason for starting it over a weekend is that those who can't commit to a weeklong trip get a great chance to participate. I know a lot of us are off during that week but there are others who aren't. Making it in stages works well. I think last year's was a great idea... starting on the Mojave and then connecting up with others at the end. Just my $0.02 worth... that's 0.06 $R by the way. Cheers, Gerry (PS: if it's on the weekend, I'll get to bring the wife too! Makes the tent much warmer for me.) _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From bens Thu Aug 15 16:11:36 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7FKBaw29576 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 16:11:36 -0400 Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 16:11:35 -0400 Message-Id: <200208152011.g7FKBZj29572@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gerry Elam" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Beggin English lad!! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Charles: Your friend surely wasn't ticketed or held at fault was he? Cheers, Gerry (Lane splitting isn't allowed in AZ and most other US states... in fact, CA may be the lone example.) _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From bens Thu Aug 15 16:13:09 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7FKD9u29595 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 16:13:09 -0400 Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 16:13:09 -0400 Message-Id: <200208152013.g7FKD9h29591@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gerry Elam" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mojave trip? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Excellent!!!!!!!1 Cheers, Gerry >...Count me in this year - and I'll even have several Land Rovers to >choose from!!!!! > >Charles _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From bens Thu Aug 15 16:16:03 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7FKG3329633 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 16:16:03 -0400 Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 16:16:03 -0400 Message-Id: <200208152016.g7FKG3H29629@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Stirling Anderson To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Motorcycle safety was Beggin English lad!! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- "Franklin H. Yap" wrote:(You know > you can always manipulate statistics to suit your > conclusion.) "You can use statistics to prove anything, 83% of all people know that." -- Homer Simpson __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From bens Thu Aug 15 16:25:07 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7FKP7A29704 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 16:25:07 -0400 Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 16:25:07 -0400 Message-Id: <200208152025.g7FKP7329700@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Joe Ward To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: Beggin English lad!! + Lane Splitting Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Perhaps its appropriate to comment on some British-style lane splitting. I was there several years ago, driving with some Brits to a Rugby match. The driver was "splitting" the two-lane road while passing between slower and oncoming traffic. His comment when someone coming the other way failed to pull onto the shoulder sufficiently, "That [expletive deleted] is going to get someone killed." I guess it's also appropriate that I introduce myself. I'm the new owner of a '67 109 NADA stationwagon. Hope to see some of you on the road, once I get the brakes bled properly. Joe Ward Oakland, Ca USA From bens Thu Aug 15 16:26:11 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7FKQBE29730 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 16:26:11 -0400 Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 16:26:11 -0400 Message-Id: <200208152026.g7FKQBs29726@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gerry Elam" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Motorcycle safety was Beggin English lad!! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Good summary Peter. According to a recent survey, something like 50% of all motorcycle deaths had some amount of alcohol associated with the rider. That's amazing. Left-hand turns in front of motorcycles is a huge contributor also... not being seen again as Peter notes. I do what I can to decrease the odds. Maybe it's a fool's bet but in the last 12-months, after having returned to riding, I put on almost 11,000 miles on the Dakar and had NO close calls. Oh, there were one or two times when I had to move but I fully anticipated that driver's actions. I learned to ride before I learned to drive and the defensive skills never go away. Don't ride when you're tired, don't ride when you in a hurry, don't ride when your distracted all come to mind. There's the rules of 5... most accidents occur within 5 miles of work/home as your mind shifts to thoughts other than riding as you think about what you need to do when you arrive. Most accidents occur within 5 miles of home. Most accidents occur in the first 5 minutes of the start of a ride. It all ties together. Go take a safety class and work on your skills... worth every penny. When I wear the bright yellow Aerostich jacket, I get all kinds of stupid comments like, "Are you hot?" My standard response is, "Yeah baby.... " or, "It's air-condition" or "I dress for the crash, not for the ride", or "I'd rather sweat than bleed". I've hit the dirt at 65 mph and hit the street at 55 when I was young. I don't care to repeat either but I do love to drive. Blame it on David and his friend Mitch who got me to go look at an old Norton early last summer. The bug bit hard. Cheers, Gerry >From: Peter Ogilvie >Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Subject: Re: Motorcycle safety was Beggin English lad!! >Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 14:26:48 -0400 > >There are two major safety problems with a Motorcycle. > The first is people just don't see a bike. >Apparently your mind sees what you expect to see and [ 76 additional quoted lines pruned. ] _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From bens Thu Aug 15 16:42:00 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7FKg0T29937 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 16:42:00 -0400 Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 16:41:59 -0400 Message-Id: <200208152041.g7FKfxd29933@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Peter Ogilvie To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Motorcycle safety was Beggin English lad!! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >From experience, helmets do increase your safety, wrecked two of them so far with no deleterious effects on the contents. Something else is going on to cause the injury rate not to change. Probably more injuries of other types. For most MC accidents, a helmet may prevent brain injury but the other injuries do people in. For the accidents where head injury is the life threatening trauma, helmets are invaluable, however. A lot of Motorcycle accidents are caused by automobile driver inatentiveness. They are not the majority of the causes of the accidents, however. Unfortunately, most of the serious accidents seem to be at night with the MC the only participant, alcohol and speed are commonly a factor. A candidate for the Darwin award. We have a straight stretch of lightly, late at night, traveled highway crossing miles of Lava. Easy and probably a gas to drive the road without lighs under a full moon. During a full moon at 2am a motorcycle rider is cruising down his lane at 80+mph with the lights out. A car is travelling down the opposing lane at 55 with his lights on. Another car travelling at a very high rate of speed overtakes the first car and attempts to pass. The motorcycle driver may never have seen the car, without lights, suddenly swerve into his lane. Little consolation to him as he was cut in half. The driver of the equally unlit car certainly didn't see the lightless motorcycle, either, but he sustained only minor injuries. Poor MC rider minding his own business, in his own lane, but is dead for lack of a headlight. Wear a helmet, it won't make you bullet proof but may keep you from becoming garden status. Aloha Peter O. --- "Franklin H. Yap" wrote: > > Peter Ogilvie wrote: > .. > But from what I've read, most accidents are caused > by careless drivers. > > As for bicycle helmets, the latest report is helmet > use is up but > injuries have also increased. The headline was - > bike helmets don't > increase your safety. It didn't seem right to me > and I couldn't tell [ 4 additional quoted lines pruned. ] __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From bens Thu Aug 15 16:45:53 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7FKjrl29983 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 16:45:53 -0400 Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 16:45:53 -0400 Message-Id: <200208152045.g7FKjr229978@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "G. Mugele" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Hummers Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org At 4:01 PM -0400 8/15/02, Bruce R. Bonar wrote: >Ben M. and I saw a H2 in S.J. a couple of weeks ago, and I saw another one >on the road yesterday. So far my impression is the H2 is uglier than the >H1 without the ground clearance. Still a very large vehicle in comparison >to anything other than a H1. Saw a couple yellow (looking like LR yellow) at the entrance to Sears Point ..... er pardon me ....Infineon Raceway in Sonoma, a couple days ago. I was kinda under-whelmed. On the other hand I saw an ad on television the other night and it was pretty cool. They had a few dozen jump cuts of the thing doing various antics, all of it filmed in the are of Southern Iceland where I had such fun in the series IIA. Watch for it. BTW there is a recent Altima ad including scenes from the same area. Gerry --------- I'm reading a very interesting book about anti-gravity. I just can't put it down. From bens Thu Aug 15 16:56:54 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7FKus230055 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 16:56:54 -0400 Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 16:56:54 -0400 Message-Id: <200208152056.g7FKusE30051@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "G. Mugele" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Motorcycle safety Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org At 4:26 PM -0400 8/15/02, Gerry Elam wrote: >According to a recent survey, something like 50% of all motorcycle deaths >had some amount of alcohol associated with the rider. That's amazing. Not so surprising to me. Something like 50% of all traffic fatalities involve drinking drivers. It's simply more likely if one of the vehicles is a bike, the rider will be the fatality. Not sure how that stats hold for single vehicle crashes. It has long bothered me that in light of that 50% figure, that traffic law enforcement doesn't put at least 50% of their effort into controlling drunk drivers. It has been more that ten years since I've checked, but the last I heard something like 60% of the CHPs law enforcement budget was allocated for speed control. What percentage of the fatalities do you suppose are caused by speed alone? Gerry Mugele --------- I'm reading a very interesting book about anti-gravity. I just can't put it down. From bens Thu Aug 15 17:06:36 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7FL6aj30131 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 17:06:36 -0400 Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 17:06:35 -0400 Message-Id: <200208152106.g7FL6ZI30127@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Franklin H. Yap" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Motorcycle safety was Beggin English lad!! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Gerry Elam wrote: >... >According to a recent survey, something like 50% of all motorcycle deaths >had some amount of alcohol associated with the rider. That's amazing. > The Hurt report - the then definitive study on motorcycle accidents - was published when I used to do a lot more riding (1981). I just looked it up and it does indicate back then the same conclusion. But it also states that "The failure of motorists to detect and recognize motorcycles in traffic is the predominating cause of motorcycle accidents. The driver of the other vehicle involved in collision with the motorcycle did not see the motorcycle before the collision, or did not see the motorcycle until too late to avoid the collision." See http://www.bmwscruz.com/tech/tech006.html Frank From bens Thu Aug 15 17:27:45 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7FLRjI30390 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 17:27:45 -0400 Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 17:27:45 -0400 Message-Id: <200208152127.g7FLRjo30386@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Beggin English lad!! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Oh no...in Kalifornia, 99.9999999999% of all rear-end accidents are the fault of the person that does the rear-ending. Charles On Thu, 15 Aug 2002 16:11:35 -0400 "Gerry Elam" writes: > > Charles: Your friend surely wasn't ticketed or held at fault was > he? > > Cheers, > Gerry > > (Lane splitting isn't allowed in AZ and most other US states... in > fact, CA [ 6 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Thu Aug 15 17:42:14 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7FLgED30520 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 17:42:14 -0400 Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 17:42:13 -0400 Message-Id: <200208152142.g7FLgDm30516@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Motorcycle safety was Beggin English lad!! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "...Go take a safety class and work on your skills... worth every penny...." Amen to that. even if you never intend to own a motorcycle, the skills that are taught in the beginner rider course are fun to master. It's a fun way to spend a weekend. I'd been a licensed rider for about 6 years before I took the course. Still learned new things and corrected some bad habits. "....the bright yellow Aerostich jacket...." I'm jealous. When they came out with that color, I wanted one SO bad, but my darned 10 year old red/silver one is still in such good shape, in spite of a lot of miles and even one get-off, that I couldn't justify the expenditure. My gut's not even growing fast enough to force me out of the old Roadcrafter 2-piece. Though my Schott leathers don't fit any more. Now THAT was a jacket with classic lines. Seems like our buddy Andy Goldfine puts product performance and rider safety above designed obsolescence, and lo and behold it turns out to be a mixed blessing for me! :^) -Dave G. PS - I recently printed the spring 2002 used bike value guide from MCN's website (Cheryl wants to upgrade), and got a bonus. In the corner of the second page was a little blurb on putting your medical information on your helmet. They had some good tips. From bens Thu Aug 15 17:44:23 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7FLiN030537 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 17:44:23 -0400 Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 17:44:23 -0400 Message-Id: <200208152144.g7FLiNT30533@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Mojave trip? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "...it wouldn't be that difficult for me to attend from Vegas???..." Piece 'o cake. You can about throw a rock from Laughlin to the rallying point for the traditional east-west route. -Dave G. From bens Thu Aug 15 17:47:50 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7FLlob30571 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 17:47:50 -0400 Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 17:47:50 -0400 Message-Id: <200208152147.g7FLlow30567@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Russ Wilson To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mojave trip? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >...Count me in this year - and I'll even have several Land Rovers to >choose from!!!!! My wife and I are in. If all goes well this trip will be my rover's coming out party. RW -- "Your friend is the one you call to bail you out of jail. Your best friend is the one sitting next to you saying,'Dude, that was awesome!" From bens Thu Aug 15 17:53:19 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7FLrJf30608 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 17:53:19 -0400 Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 17:53:18 -0400 Message-Id: <200208152153.g7FLrIJ30604@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gerry Elam" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mojave trip? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org It's an amazingly simple trip. We always meet in Needles at the trialhead on the Laughlin highway around 9 AM and then it's about 3 days and two nights to the Baker area. There's no food, gas, or other supplies on the trip so you'll need to carry everything. Most Discos and RR are good on one tank of gas. The Series III had plenty of fuel since it has two tanks. I generally drive over with my friend Dan who has a Jeep and we spend that night in Needles. Makes the next morning very easy. Details? We don need no stinkin details... but it's an easy drive from LV. Cheers, Gerry >From: "Polla Slade" >Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Subject: Re: Mojave trip? >Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 15:44:43 -0400 > >Gerry, > >I've officially relocated to Vegas now, we're just waiting to move into our [ 15 additional quoted lines pruned. ] _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From bens Thu Aug 15 17:56:29 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7FLuTu30639 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 17:56:29 -0400 Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 17:56:29 -0400 Message-Id: <200208152156.g7FLuTt30635@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Russ Wilson To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mojave trip? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Gerry, > >I've officially relocated to Vegas now, we're just waiting to move into our >place in about 30 days. > >I would LOVE to be able to go to this event, give me more details! I would >imagine if you are coming up from PHX then it wouldn't be that difficult for >me to attend from Vegas??? > [ 3 additional quoted lines pruned. ] Vegas??? Did someone mention Vegas?.,.... woooo hooooo Party starts at Michael's house and ends when we run out of chips or get tossed out of town!! (just a thought) RW -- "Your friend is the one you call to bail you out of jail. Your best friend is the one sitting next to you saying,'Dude, that was awesome!" From bens Thu Aug 15 19:10:31 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7FNAVs31221 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 19:10:31 -0400 Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 19:10:30 -0400 Message-Id: <200208152310.g7FNAUX31217@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "leslie dow" To: Subject: Sean Murphy's Trial Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; ] [ 286 lines filtered. ] charset="iso-8859-1" Hi all=85for those of you who know Sean read on. I have info about his trial and he needs your help=85. =20 Chris and I talked with Louella (Sean=92s atty) today and have more = info. We spent about 1 =BD hours with her today. The take home message is = that she thinks that Sean is innocent. Sean has passed a polygraph test that was administered by one of the people who trains the FBI in this. He told her that if this was happening inside the FBI, he would advise that Sean was not the one, and that they should look elsewhere. She also said that this is a hard case because there are two kids who are making allegations. She and her experts also believe that something bad has happened to Natasha but that Trevor is probably lying. They also believe that Sean is not the person who molested Natasha. All this makes the case complex to defend. She is banking on an intelligent Jury being able to see that Trevor is lying about any abuse and that the kids hated Sean because he was the vehicle for their Mom being gone and that he was very strict. That is why Louella has 15 witnesses. They are mostly to show that the kids have been troubled long before Sean came into the picture and that Julie has allowed bad things to happen to them. Sean came into this with his desire to =91fix=92 his family and applied strict discipline. The kids had never been disciplined before=85.and here we are. =20 They are just about done with Jury selection. Louella feels that she has a smart jury, which is what she wants. The prosecution begins to presents evidence on Monday (8/19). Louella feels that this will take about 2 days. There will be no trial on Wednesday because the Judge has a previous appt. So Louella thinks that she will start presenting her case on Thursday (8/22) and that it will not go past the 26th. She has 15 witnesses. She really feels that what she needs now is for anyone who is not a witness to attend for as much of the trial as they can to provide moral support and to show the jury that Sean has supporters. What she is counting on is that an intelligent jury will see the inconsistencies in the kid=92s testimony. This will be helped by the =91character witnesses=92 such as Chris and I and possibly our kids, = Thelen and Walker. This will also be helped by having various supporters in the audience. Any and all attendances will help and will be noticed by the Jury. Please spread the word to anyone who might have a free couple of hours and would like to show support for Sean. =20 =20 The Trial Judge is Pichon in department 36 in the Santa Clara courthouse in SJ on Hedding by the Airport. =20 The trial starts at 9am and goes until 5 or so. =20 http://www.sccsuperiorcourt.org/pages/courtrooms.html#hoj The trial dates are next Monday and Tuesday, Thursday and Friday and possibly the following Monday. Thanks! leslie =20 From bens Thu Aug 15 20:01:26 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7G01QQ31526 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 20:01:26 -0400 Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 20:01:26 -0400 Message-Id: <200208160001.g7G01QZ31522@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Peter Hope" To: Subject: Re: Mojave trip? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Seems early but I will play along..... Will it be a week end trip or week long? If end, prior or post? What is the drive time from Bakersfield to needles? Later Pete From bens Thu Aug 15 20:11:15 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7G0BFs31593 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 20:11:15 -0400 Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 20:11:15 -0400 Message-Id: <200208160011.g7G0BFw31589@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Polla Slade" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mojave trip? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Alright Russ, my wife said that she'd be the one kicking you out! Hehehe. Anyway, we just talked about it and she decided she'd head up to SLC to be with family and she'd leave my 7yo son Connor to go on the trip with me. Should be fun. Question is, which truck do I drive???? I guess I have a few months to figger it out. Michael BTW we got a 5BR house, so yeah, we would love to have visitors from time to time (the guest room has it's own full bathroom just off the living room).... >Vegas??? Did someone mention Vegas?.,.... woooo hooooo Party >starts at Michael's house and ends when we run out of chips or get >tossed out of town!! (just a thought) > > >RW >-- >"Your friend is the one you call to bail you out of jail. Your best >friend is the one sitting next to you saying,'Dude, that was awesome!" _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From bens Thu Aug 15 20:23:52 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7G0NqF31661 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 20:23:52 -0400 Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 20:23:52 -0400 Message-Id: <200208160023.g7G0NqN31657@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Polla Slade" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Paso to Vegas, 25 rad flushes later...(was: Re: Mojave trip?) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Peter, Are you in Bakersfield???? I was DESPERATELY needing some help last Thursday and was racking my brain trying to figure out if I knew anyone from Bakersfield. Seems I blew a head gasket a while back on the SWB RR, and it didn't really get bad until I was just out of Paso Robles. I stopped there for a few days to help Timm Cooper work on the crewcab, and when I headed out to Vegas via Bakersfield it started to get REALLY bad. I ran up and down the main drag that has all the junkyards and couldn't find a single RR to cannabalize parts off of. Desperate I headed out of town wondering what would happen. With temps running nearly 240 deg. I split the expansion tank just west of Tahachapi and pulled off to do some emergency JB welding. While I had the tank off I thought of just plugging off the hoses and running with a closed system. Temp didn't get above 190 all the way to Mojave. (BTW the JB weld didn't hold) I stopped and called my wife and told her I was still coming and headed out. I had pulled the hood off the truck and strapped it to the roofrack earlier in the day to try and keep temps down (I have a pic if anyone wants a good laugh), and during the looooong climb into Vegas several hoses decided that they had seen enough of the extreme pressures and started to blow. Very nice to have coolant all over your windsheild at 11pm at night. yuck. Had to stop 4 times to unhook hoses, shorten them and reattatch them on the side of the freeway. I left Paso at 11am and didn't get to Vegas until 1:30am the following morning. Sigh. So, I'm sure I need to pull the heads, maybe have them shaved, replace the head gasket for sure, and I'll have to have the rad boled out and reverse pressure tested, etc....I did get a replacement expansion tank and installed it (much to the chagrin of the Las Vegas LR dealer) in thier parking lot. Hehe. Haven't driven it since last Thursday. I think I'll just park it and when we move into the new place have it towed over there (maybe I'll drive it, it's not that far....). Didn't someone put together a database of who lives where and what their contact info was??? It would have been a beautiful thing, if nothing else than to bounce ideas off of someone else who is Rover sympathetic. Anyway, I digress..... Michael _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From bens Thu Aug 15 20:37:30 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7G0bUi31739 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 20:37:30 -0400 Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 20:37:30 -0400 Message-Id: <200208160037.g7G0bUb31735@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Tom Walsh" To: Subject: Re: Mojave trip? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I'm interested also, but will be a "very new father" by then so who knows TomW ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Hope" To: Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 5:01 PM Subject: Re: Mojave trip? > > Seems early but I will play along..... > > Will it be a week end trip or week long? > If end, prior or post? > > What is the drive time from Bakersfield to needles? > > Later [ 2 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Thu Aug 15 21:39:21 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7G1dLJ32041 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 21:39:21 -0400 Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 21:39:21 -0400 Message-Id: <200208160139.g7G1dLB32037@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Franklin H. Yap" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Motorcycle safety was Beggin English lad!! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Gerry Elam wrote: >... Blame it on David and >his friend Mitch who got me to go look at an old Norton early last summer. >The bug bit hard. > If anybody is seraching for a classic bike, I have a box of Walneck's that you can have. They are about 10 years old but it'll give you a picture of what is out there. Frank From bens Thu Aug 15 22:12:50 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7G2CoF32218 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 22:12:50 -0400 Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 22:12:50 -0400 Message-Id: <200208160212.g7G2Co432214@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Peter Hope" To: Subject: Mojave trip Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > Peter, > > Are you in Bakersfield???? I was DESPERATELY needing some help last > Thursday and was racking my brain trying to figure out if I knew anyone from > Bakersfield. > Aloha Mike. Sorry to hear about your troubles. I am still up in the Seattle area. But SWIMBOs folks live in Bakersfield. Thinking about the holidays. I have wanted to attend the Mojave trip for about 3-4 years, ever since subscribing to Mendo. Now that we are living on the mainland, even if it is a couple days drive, I really wanna attend. So maybe SWIMBO will fly down and back, and I will drive down with the dogs. Just need to work out the details :-) Pete From bens Thu Aug 15 22:17:47 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7G2HlB32257 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 22:17:47 -0400 Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 22:17:47 -0400 Message-Id: <200208160217.g7G2HlF32253@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "tim boorman" To: alim79@yahoo.com, andyhirons@hotmail.com, kooisfat@hotmail.com Subject: how true!!!!!! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >>It has to be true................... >>WOMEN'S ENGLISH: >> > >> > Maybe = No. >> > We need = I want. >> > I'm sorry = You'll be sorry. >> > We need to talk = I need to complain. >> > Sure, go ahead = I don't want you to. >> > Do what you want = You'll pay for this later. [ 40 additional quoted lines pruned. ] _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From bens Thu Aug 15 22:39:28 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7G2dSd32402 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 22:39:28 -0400 Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 22:39:28 -0400 Message-Id: <200208160239.g7G2dSG32398@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Christopher H. Dow" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: niagara rim - directions posted Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Jason Pipes wrote: >Hey everyone, directions for the trip this weekend have been posted on the >club website in the calendar, FYI. > > I'll be leaving late Friday (probably after 7:00). I'm getting the boxes ready tonight and will rush home, pack them in the 110, and head up. That gives me an eta of between 10:00 and 11:00 depending on traffic, my kids' appetites, and the weight of my right foot (which is usually light). In addition to the directions on the web page, there is a description of how to get there at http://4crawler.cruiserpages.com/4x4/CA-108/index.shtml We'll head out from the camp at the OHV area at 10:00 on Saturday morning, do the easy route, and whoever wants can do the hard trail (including the 88" trap) on Sunday morning. C From bens Thu Aug 15 22:44:39 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7G2ida32463 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 22:44:39 -0400 Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 22:44:39 -0400 Message-Id: <200208160244.g7G2idC32459@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Christopher H. Dow" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: niagara rim - directions posted Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Jason Pipes wrote: >Hey everyone, directions for the trip this weekend have been posted on the >club website in the calendar, FYI. > > One more thing: I'll be monitoring CB 7, The Mount Diablo repeater (147.06+/100) The Official NCRC HAM Freq(tm) (146.50 MHz) and FRS 7-7 on my way up. Note that FRS is not an official NCRC band! C From bens Thu Aug 15 22:55:34 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7G2tYH32550 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 22:55:34 -0400 Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 22:55:34 -0400 Message-Id: <200208160255.g7G2tYc32546@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gerry Elam" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Cc: azlro@stat.com Subject: Re: Mojave trip? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Bakersfield to Needles is a bit less than 300 miles. I'm not sure we have a consensus on the trip dates. It really doesn't matter to me so I'll go with the group's decision. I'm good to go anytime at this point of time and appear to be the only one who expressed an interest in the weekend version. Having said that, how does Monday (Dec. 30- Jan 1) through Wed. sound? Wednesday would be New Year's Day meaning we would most likely spend New Year's Eve around the dunes just off of Soda Lake. That would be excellent and I can't think of a better way to ring in the New Year. It would make travel there easy and the return on New Year's Day is no problem. This allows the group to continue the trip beyond the Mojave like last year. James Howard: you up for this one with the family? That little girl is old enough now. :-) I'll CC the AZLRO....several there have expressed interest in the past. Any seconds to this preliminary plan? Any objections? Any alternatives? Cheers, Gerry >From: "Peter Hope" >Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >To: >Subject: Re: Mojave trip? >Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 20:01:26 -0400 > >Seems early but I will play along..... > >Will it be a week end trip or week long? [ 3 additional quoted lines pruned. ] _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From bens Thu Aug 15 23:15:25 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7G3FPc32644 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 23:15:25 -0400 Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 23:15:24 -0400 Message-Id: <200208160315.g7G3FOu32640@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "charles chuan-chen phu" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Hummers Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org H2? Personally, I think, it is just another GM's "Only change water in the soup without changing the medicine in it(ancient Chinese phrase)."! Basically, I would love to buy their new design, exterior and interior, but I just can't, unfortunately. Charles P. >From: "G. Mugele" >Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Subject: Re: Hummers >Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 16:45:53 -0400 > >At 4:01 PM -0400 8/15/02, Bruce R. Bonar wrote: > >Ben M. and I saw a H2 in S.J. a couple of weeks ago, and I saw another >one [ 21 additional quoted lines pruned. ] _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From bens Fri Aug 16 00:31:25 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7G4VPK01818 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 00:31:25 -0400 Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 00:31:23 -0400 Message-Id: <200208160431.g7G4VNg01814@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Zaxcoinc@aol.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: ignition parts Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset="US-ASCII" ] [ 15 lines filtered. ] In a message dated 8/13/02 10:03:56 AM Pacific Daylight Time, jhoward@sextans.lowell.edu writes: > That is just a noise suppression cap. It keeps noise from the ignition > from bothering you when you are listening to the radio. > > > Cool!, where can I get one of these for the tires, and center diff noises? Wishing, Zack From bens Fri Aug 16 00:38:47 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7G4clR02050 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 00:38:47 -0400 Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 00:38:47 -0400 Message-Id: <200208160438.g7G4cl202046@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Mehdi Saghafi" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: how true!!!!!! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Tim, this applies to me too! Do I need a sex change? Mehdi On Thu, 15 Aug 2002 22:17:47 -0400 tim boorman wrote: > > >>It has to be true................... > >>WOMEN'S ENGLISH: > >> > > >> > Maybe = No. > >> > We need = I want. > >> > I'm sorry = You'll be sorry. > >> > We need to talk = I need to complain. > >> > Sure, go ahead = I don't want you to. [ 10 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Fri Aug 16 01:19:18 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7G5JIN02470 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 01:19:18 -0400 Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 01:19:17 -0400 Message-Id: <200208160519.g7G5JHt02466@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Russ Wilson To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mojave trip? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > >What is the drive time from Bakersfield to needles? Sort of depends on what you're drivin'. RW -- "Your friend is the one you call to bail you out of jail. Your best friend is the one sitting next to you saying,'Dude, that was awesome!" From bens Fri Aug 16 01:22:45 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7G5MjH02503 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 01:22:45 -0400 Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 01:22:45 -0400 Message-Id: <200208160522.g7G5MjF02499@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Russ Wilson To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mojave trip? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org He's just opening himself up for a "pre-run" party at his house... Let's see. 5 bedrooms.... One for you and the wife, one for Jr. That leaves 3 open bedrooms. If the driveway is big enough we should be able to fit at least a dozen or so people at your place. ha ha ha. RW > >BTW we got a 5BR house, so yeah, we would love to have visitors from time to >time (the guest room has it's own full bathroom just off the living >room).... > > >>Vegas??? Did someone mention Vegas?.,.... woooo hooooo Party >>starts at Michael's house and ends when we run out of chips or get > >tossed out of town!! (just a thought) -- Too Dumb For Opera Too Smart For NASCAR..... From bens Fri Aug 16 01:29:48 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7G5Tm102541 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 01:29:48 -0400 Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 01:29:48 -0400 Message-Id: <200208160529.g7G5Tms02537@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Christopher H. Dow" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: niagara rim - directions posted Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Christopher H. Dow wrote: >8< > > thing: > >I'll be monitoring CB 7, The Mount Diablo repeater (147.06+/100) The >Official NCRC HAM Freq(tm) (146.50 MHz) and FRS 7-7 on my way up. Note >that FRS is not an official NCRC band! > >C [ 2 additional quoted lines pruned. ] Yet one more thing: Christopher Dow KG6GOV From bens Fri Aug 16 01:31:01 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7G5V1E02572 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 01:31:01 -0400 Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 01:31:01 -0400 Message-Id: <200208160531.g7G5V1a02568@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Russ Wilson To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Hummers Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >H2? Personally, I think, it is just another GM's "Only change water in the >soup without changing the medicine in it(ancient Chinese phrase)."! > >Basically, I would love to buy their new design, exterior and interior, but >I just can't, unfortunately. I just saw something that said that a fairly large % of the H2 parts are off the shelf Chevy Tahoe bits wearing a new dress. RW -- Too Dumb For Opera Too Smart For NASCAR..... From bens Fri Aug 16 01:52:03 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7G5q3o02658 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 01:52:03 -0400 Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 01:52:03 -0400 Message-Id: <200208160552.g7G5q3M02654@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Polla Slade" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mojave trip? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hey Gerry, Speaking of cc'ing other lists, does anyone know about the Las Vegs Rover Club? I'm going to their meeting on the 5th of Sept., to see what type of people are in the club. It's kind of weird that I've never even heard of their club, and basically the only guy from LV I've ever heard of is John Hong (and he's kind of dropped off of the planet). Just kind of curious why we've never heard of them. I'll give an update after the meeting for sure. Later, Michael _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From bens Fri Aug 16 02:35:39 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7G6ZdS02847 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 02:35:39 -0400 Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 02:35:39 -0400 Message-Id: <200208160635.g7G6ZdD02843@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Paul's B-day Sushi-Monday! ;-) was Re: Beggin English lad!! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- "Fil F." wrote: > - Paul - i'm up for sushi - where and when - will it be > in the Feakmont > area, Possibly... I was thinking of the place on Mowry by big-5/barnes & Noble: Yuri if I remember. they used to be really good, unless you know of a better one? ...and than there are all the ones in the west bay.... > i invite all to park their rovers in my > neighborhood and we can take > the regular car to the sushi place , i prefer it your > rover is full of mud > and can leave some behond for my neighbors - just kidding no you're not! ;-0 --- Tom Walsh wrote: > Count me in, Bobs birthday is coming up ( or happened ) > so he may wanna come > also! Sounds good! You're in! ;-) --- Stirling Anderson wrote: > If you're inviting everyone, Amy and I will attend. ;) Great! > Happy Birthday! 36?! Really?? hehe I had to. :) > We usually make our own sushi, since most resturaunts > don't quite have a very good vegeterian selection... > and since I've always been the "I can build one of > those better and dive in head first" type, even > though most people think Vege-sushi defeats the > purpose of sushi I still like it better than the fish > type. We can make some as a pre-dinner apetizer for > those vegetable types, and the curious that will show. ooh! sounds cool! I'd like to try it! > And, it's even better the next day as leftovers... > something I wouldn't do with fish. :) Oh yeah! I know! :-( I made too much sushi for a party once, and put the rest in the fridge......bleaaaah!! I used to only eat the obscure fish sushi that othrs are afraid of, but now eat it all, including the veg ones...they are all good! ;-) So..it looks like we will ahve a good group so far....anyone else? I'll be away from computer at the funeral tomorrow, than up to the Sea Ranch for the week-end, but will be in touch sunday night, and arrange all during the day on monday, so we can figure out the details, ok? Paul __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From bens Fri Aug 16 02:49:43 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7G6nhb02904 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 02:49:43 -0400 Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 02:49:43 -0400 Message-Id: <200208160649.g7G6nhX02900@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Beggin English lad!! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- Gerry Elam wrote: > You want to see lane-splitting? Go go Sao Paulo and > watch the messenger > bikes where there are none over about 30 and one kill per > day is fairly > normal news. Hence my career as a motorcycle courier back twelve years ago only lasted for six months. I put 20,000 miles on the bike, was hit four times, got nine? speeding tickets.....It was fun, but scary at times, and very tiring...I always slept good though.....would often crash at a friends near my last drop-off. The last straw was the day I got two tickets, than was hit on 101 after I had quit and was delivering the last package on hte way home! ;-( Paul (been sideswiped and rear-ended by cars too many times...) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From bens Fri Aug 16 02:54:33 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7G6sX702935 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 02:54:33 -0400 Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 02:54:33 -0400 Message-Id: <200208160654.g7G6sXa02931@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Motorcycle safety was Beggin English lad!! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- Peter Ogilvie wrote: > > There are two major safety problems with a Motorcycle. > The first is people just don't see a bike. so true! > I almost always see the headlight > first, then the bike, not the other way around. If I > still had a bike, I'd put a 100watt bulb in and drive > with it on high beam during the day. Probably cost a > lot of money in bulb replacements but it'd be a lot > cheaper than a trip to the emergency room. nah bulbs last fairly long in most bikes... That is what I do...it also helps that the Ducati is bright yellow and very loud, so people usually are aware of my presence. I have yet to be hit while riding this one...had some close calls, but so far been lucky...I am also a much more carefull rider than in the old days....I'm aware of my mortality. Paul __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From bens Fri Aug 16 03:41:08 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7G7f8Y03151 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 03:41:08 -0400 Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 03:41:08 -0400 Message-Id: <200208160741.g7G7f8803147@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "mpatrykus" To: Subject: Re: Mojave and Motorcycles Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Gerry and gang, you can count me in again for Mojave this year. Hopefully Charles, Russ and I will convoy. Peter, maybe you can meet us in Barstow? And Michael, will the crewcab be ready by then? Either way I am dying to see one of your FrankenRovers! They rock. As for motorcycles, seems like the best behaved and skilled riders are riding Beemers. All the rest are a crapshoot. I got buzzed by a crotchrocket of some sort the other day on the 110. I thought I was the only vehicle within a 1/4 mile until this guy shot past me at about 85 with inches to spare. He nailed the throttle as he weaved around from behind the 109- must have come from an onramp. Pretty startling since my top and doors are off. I spent 6 years or so working on an ambulance and saw my share of bloody messes, but the one biker who made me shake my head in disgust was a guy we took on a routine transfer between hospitals. He had shattered both legs and was sporting external fixators. (These are threaded rods and frames that are screwed into bones. Sort of an erector-set type of cast used when the bones are so f'ed up that a cast is useless.) Anyway I asked this guy what happened. He had been passing a car ON THE CREST OF A HILL! at about 70 mph. Went head on with oncoming traffic and got launched into the desert. He'd admitted to several wrecks over the years of similar stupidity. I asked him if he would ride again and he never batted an eye, said he'd be back on the bike as soon as possible. Not a drop of shame about his behavior, either. It was a game to him. It will be hard for these types to get much of an adrenaline rush when they're steering their wheelchairs with a straw, but that never seems to occur to them until it's too late. As for DUI enforcement, I think the traffic cops and Chippies do their best, but to target drunks, they need probable cause. That's why they target speeders. I wish they would just yank their licenses, drunk or not. The only thing they ought to be riding is a bus. Phew! off the soapbox... Mo ------------------------------------------- Introducing NetZero Long Distance Unlimited Long Distance only $29.95/ month! Sign Up Today! www.netzerolongdistance.com From bens Fri Aug 16 09:33:43 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7GDXhL04954 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 09:33:43 -0400 Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 09:33:43 -0400 Message-Id: <200208161333.g7GDXh804950@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: " mendo rec list" Subject: Re: Hummers Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >H2? Personally, I think, it is just another GM's "Only change water in the >soup without changing the medicine in it(ancient Chinese phrase)."! H2? To paraphrase someone else "Its a gas gas gas!" Personally I think it is a light weight subject not worthy of weighty consideration. TeriAnn Wakeman If you send me direct mail, please Santa Cruz, California start the subject line with TW - twakeman@cruzers.com I will be sure to read the message http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 From bens Fri Aug 16 09:57:26 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7GDvQE05169 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 09:57:26 -0400 Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 09:57:25 -0400 Message-Id: <200208161357.g7GDvPB05165@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Peter Hope" To: Subject: Re: Mojave Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > Gerry and gang, you can count me in again for Mojave this year. > Hopefully Charles, Russ and I will convoy. Peter, maybe you can > meet us in Barstow? Sounds like a plan. 300 miles from Bakersfield to Needles. So about 4-4.5 hours driving time and about 1/3 tank of fuel. I think I would head over the day before and spend the night in Needles. We found a pretty nice hotel right next to the interstate, but found the place to be lacking good restuarants. This was 4 years ago on the way to Hawaii, what is the situation like now? How far is it to the trail head from Needles? Pete From bens Fri Aug 16 09:58:57 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7GDwvd05196 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 09:58:57 -0400 Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 09:58:57 -0400 Message-Id: <200208161358.g7GDwvc05192@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kerner, Rob" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: BP Deal Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Not sure if this is gone yet. If it were for a RR I'd Buy it. Disco II....For just a few hours today you can get a really keen ARB bull bar like the one shown above at an unbelievable price. It's a bolt in replacement for the stock bumper, and it's certified for airbag use! It improves approach angles, and makes a nifty place to mount a winch and/or driving lamps (not included). Even if you never go off road, nothing protects the delicate aluminum and plastic body panels from the urban jungle better than a good looking ARB bar! ARB suggested retail is $1025, and it's worth it for that. BP's usual low price is $749, a heck of a savings. However, just one lucky customer will see this ad between 4:00 PM Thursday and 10:00 AM Friday, which is the only way to get one for only... From bens Fri Aug 16 10:19:22 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7GEJMk05470 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 10:19:22 -0400 Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 10:19:22 -0400 Message-Id: <200208161419.g7GEJMo05466@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Hummers Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "...Tahoe bits wearing a new dress..." Too true. To know what you're gettin' you gotta get a peak under the dress so to speak. The first time I rolled under a Defender, the expression was WOW. Equally so for Discos and Rangies since they look about the same from that direction. G's and Pinzys and Mogs too. Others look more like my '73 Regal than an off road vehicle. -Dave G. From bens Fri Aug 16 10:20:58 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7GEKw205525 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 10:20:58 -0400 Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 10:20:58 -0400 Message-Id: <200208161420.g7GEKw405521@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Mojave and Motorcycles Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "...That's why they target speeders..." Most of the drunks I run across are actually driving pretty slow. Maybe it's the mountain roads. -Dave G. From bens Fri Aug 16 10:42:40 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7GEgen05684 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 10:42:40 -0400 Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 10:42:40 -0400 Message-Id: <200208161442.g7GEgeK05680@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Mojave Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "...How far is it to the trail head from Needles?..." Maybe 15 minutes. Overall, you're much better off camping at the trail head the night before. It's a nice, wide-open area. Camp chow and fire-side talk beat's the heck out of a hotel bed and Denny's special any day. -Dave G. From bens Fri Aug 16 10:48:31 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7GEmVL05735 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 10:48:31 -0400 Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 10:48:30 -0400 Message-Id: <200208161448.g7GEmUe05731@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Mojave trip? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "....how does Monday (Dec. 30- Jan 1) through Wed. sound?..." Those dates might actually give me a real shot at making it while still keeping the other holiday commitments and not running ourselves ragged. We could get the Christmas thing over with by Friday, spend the weekend on a leisurely drive from Bailey to Needles, do the trail with you fine folks, and have a couple days at home on the tail end. I'll bring it up in committee this weekend. -Dave G. From bens Fri Aug 16 11:14:39 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7GFEdJ05924 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 11:14:39 -0400 Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 11:14:39 -0400 Message-Id: <200208161514.g7GFEdY05920@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: " mendo rec list" Subject: RE: Mojave trip? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >"....how does Monday (Dec. 30- Jan 1) through Wed. sound?..." Sounds like a plan to me. TeriAnn Wakeman If you send me direct mail, please Santa Cruz, California start the subject line with TW - twakeman@cruzers.com I will be sure to read the message http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 From bens Fri Aug 16 11:23:43 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7GFNh305976 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 11:23:43 -0400 Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 11:23:43 -0400 Message-Id: <200208161523.g7GFNhg05972@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kevin Kelly" To: "Mendo List" Subject: Helmets Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Ben wrote: >Which basically was helmet use is up, bike use is down >and injuries are up. They attributed the problem to people >thinking that they are invincible since they have a brain >bucket. So they tried to do more dangerous things which >resulted in more injuries. I don't know if we found out why the mountain bikers on the last NCRC trip crashed, but I've seen a lot of recent injuries where people with new full suspension bikes tried to ride through trails that they should have walked through. Some of the new bikes have about as much suspension travel as an older motorcycle. I bet that modified D90s and TJs have more accidents off toad than Series 1s and Flatfenders since the owners of the more capable rigs tend to try and make it through tougher trails. San Francisco has had a big increase in bike messenger injuries (and deaths). When I was a kid and came up to the city to see my Dad at work the bike messengers were all long haired laid back guys who smoked pot and road Schwinn Beach Cruisers. Today the bike messengers still smoke a lot of pot but you can often see them shooting up next to the 1 Bush street building and when I'm with them in elevators many have that scary crystal meth look in their eyes. If you are driving downtown keep an eye out for these guys since they like to ride down one way streets the wrong way and forget that a Range Rover will so a lot of damage to a guy on a single speed track bike with no brakes. Kevin From bens Fri Aug 16 12:34:47 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7GGYld06468 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 12:34:47 -0400 Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 12:34:46 -0400 Message-Id: <200208161634.g7GGYk206464@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gerry Elam" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: Mojave Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org When we get closer or when I can remember to grab my guide book, I'll post those details. It's easy to find. Cheers, Gerry >From: "Gomes, David" >Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" >Subject: RE: Mojave >Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 10:42:40 -0400 > >"...How far is it to the trail head from Needles?..." > >Maybe 15 minutes. [ 6 additional quoted lines pruned. ] _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From bens Fri Aug 16 12:39:22 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7GGdMR06505 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 12:39:22 -0400 Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 12:39:21 -0400 Message-Id: <200208161639.g7GGdLp06501@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gerry Elam" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mojave and Motorcycles Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Excellent... shaping up to be another GREAT trip. Cheers, Gerry >From: "mpatrykus" >Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >To: >Subject: Re: Mojave and Motorcycles Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 03:41:08 -0400 > >Gerry and gang, you can count me in again for Mojave this year. >Hopefully Charles, Russ and I will convoy. Peter, maybe you can >meet us in Barstow? And Michael, will the crewcab be ready by then? >Either way I am dying to see one of your FrankenRovers! They rock. _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From bens Fri Aug 16 12:54:33 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7GGsXf06614 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 12:54:33 -0400 Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 12:54:33 -0400 Message-Id: <200208161654.g7GGsXE06610@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gerry Elam" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mojave Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Not much better... at all. But, it's only one night and Denny's will only generaly add weight not give you the runs. Needles has several nice economy-type properties that have been built in the last three or four years. If you wish, we can work out those details in a few months. I can't recall the last place we stayed but the breakfast place next to it was nice. Chris and Lesley might remember but it something like the "Best Western River Inn". I'll confirm that later. The trailhead is about 11 miles from Needles just over the state line. I'll dig out those details and post them. As check http://www.off-road.com/RoverWeb/trips/MojaveRd/MojaveRd.html That was the right up from the '95/'96 trip that Ben put together a few years ago. Cheers, Gerry >From: "Peter Hope" >Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >To: >Subject: Re: Mojave >Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 09:57:25 -0400 > > > Gerry and gang, you can count me in again for Mojave this year. > > Hopefully Charles, Russ and I will convoy. Peter, maybe you can > > meet us in Barstow? [ 12 additional quoted lines pruned. ] _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From bens Fri Aug 16 13:08:35 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7GH8Zh06721 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 13:08:35 -0400 Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 13:08:35 -0400 Message-Id: <200208161708.g7GH8ZT06717@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Peter Ogilvie To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: Mojave and Motorcycles Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org The very drunk can't drive fast or at least drive fast very far 'cause their reflexes are shot. The problem with alcohol and motorcycles is reduced reasoning ability. People just do stupid things, btdt. When the latest Federal usurpation of States Rights forced the States to drop the legal limit for DUI from 1.0 to .08, I was pissed. At 0.8, most people are still pretty sober and capable of driving an automobile, reasonably. The problem with alcohol, or any drug for that matter, is its effect on your reasoning ability. Can't remember the exact study, but researchers were able to measure significant impairment of reasoning ability after only ONE drink. For the young and foolish, even the old and foolish, a couple of drinks may be potentially more dangerous than being falling down drunk. With the lack of protection on a Motorcycle and their performance, a little alchohol becomes a very dangerous thing. Aloha Peter O. --- "Gomes, David" wrote: > > "...That's why they target > speeders..." > > Most of the drunks I run across are actually driving > pretty slow. Maybe > it's the mountain roads. > > -Dave G. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From bens Fri Aug 16 13:51:21 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7GHpLP07035 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 13:51:21 -0400 Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 13:51:21 -0400 Message-Id: <200208161751.g7GHpLg07031@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Eric Johnson" To: Subject: Niagra directions Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org What are the directions to the camp.....in English. Thank you eric -- From bens Fri Aug 16 16:38:56 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7GKcum08113 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 16:38:56 -0400 Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 16:38:56 -0400 Message-Id: <200208162038.g7GKcuc08109@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Stirling Anderson To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Hummers Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- Russ Wilson wrote: > I just saw something that said that a fairly large % > of the H2 parts > are off the shelf Chevy Tahoe bits wearing a new > dress. I heard it was two 3/4ton independant front axles turning the tires. Either way it completely kills one of the coolest things of the Hummer... the portal axles. It's like turning a swiss army knife into a pearing knife... it still works, kinda, but not nearly as useful or cool. I could be wrong... Stirling PS, two sightings... First, kind of strange, saw an interview with Eminem and he was wearing a t-shirt that had a picture of a series II or early IIa on the front. And, Maxim magazine did an article on the new Mini S, in a subset, they mention Defenders. I quote: "Land Rover stopped selling the highly customizable Defender in the US back in 1997 because they didn't have US mandated front air bags. They're still available in the UK, and American collectors exchange thier firstborns for them on the used market in the States." I think that about sums it up. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From bens Fri Aug 16 16:57:44 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7GKvik08262 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 16:57:44 -0400 Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 16:57:44 -0400 Message-Id: <200208162057.g7GKvi108258@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Sightings Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Went on a drive to Bolinas yesterday afternoon and evening just for fun. On the way out of our work shop I managed to smash the left side view mirror. Stopped at LR Marin to see if they might have the glass in stock. They didn't. While driving out their paking lot I spotted what must hae been one of the new 2003 Discoveries. It had the new RR style headlights, new grill, new front bumper/air dam, and new fog lights. Looked nice, albeit like a Disovery-cum-RR. Also spotted a number of blue hard top Defenders 90s, and a really nicely kitted white soft top D90 parked in Bolinas - lic plate was a personal plate, something like Hagins2 or Haggin2. I recall seeing a Disovery parked next to it last time I was in Bolinas with a similar lic plate. The 90 had "proper" LR sized MTs (something in the range of 235/85s, tall but thin) a full soft top, jerry can rack, CT stickers, etc. Anyone on the list?? Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 From bens Fri Aug 16 20:20:03 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7H0K3j09902 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 20:20:03 -0400 Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 20:20:03 -0400 Message-Id: <200208170020.g7H0K3Y09898@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Turner, Jon [LFS]" To: "Jason Pipes (E-mail)" Subject: 90/110 mirrors Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; ] [ 26 lines filtered. ] This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. charset="iso-8859-1" Hey Jason - sorry you busted the mirror. Have you considered replacing your mirror with a concave one? I ordered some but they have not arrived yet. http://www.d-90.com/vendor/ef.html Jon From bens Fri Aug 16 20:32:58 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7H0Wwv10010 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 20:32:58 -0400 Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 20:32:58 -0400 Message-Id: <200208170032.g7H0WwH10006@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Hummers Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Regarding Hummers... I like the original, for what it was. A 2nd place to Land Rovers of course, but if I wasn't a LR freak, I could see myself having one of the original Hummers. The H2 is a hideous joke. It's as if they took all the worst parts about the original Hummer and built a new version on that. It seriously looks like a life-sized tonka truck! I think the design team was missing the day they talked about aspect ratios and line balancing. For a good side-by-side comparision check out this site: http://www.hummer.com/hummerjsp/index.jsp If the original was ever any good, they sure ruined it now. Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 From bens Fri Aug 16 20:53:43 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7H0rhh10115 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 20:53:43 -0400 Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 20:53:43 -0400 Message-Id: <200208170053.g7H0rh510111@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Fil F." To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Paul's B-day Sushi-Monday! ;-) was Re: Beggin English lad!! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org yes , a decent place for sushi in Fremont ( i wonder what "Fre" means in "Fremont") - u r not free to park your vehicle on the curb !!! fil - still pissed off >From: Paul Archibald >Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Subject: Paul's B-day Sushi-Monday! ;-) was Re: Beggin English lad!! >Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 02:35:39 -0400 > >--- "Fil F." wrote: > > - Paul - i'm up for sushi - where and when - will it be > > in the Feakmont [ 13 additional quoted lines pruned. ] _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From bens Fri Aug 16 21:03:32 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7H13WA10172 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 21:03:32 -0400 Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 21:03:32 -0400 Message-Id: <200208170103.g7H13WT10168@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Tom Walsh" To: Subject: Re: 90/110 mirrors Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I've got some on myne and their great! TomW ----- Original Message ----- From: "Turner, Jon [LFS]" To: "Jason Pipes (E-mail)" Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 5:20 PM Subject: 90/110 mirrors > > [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] > [ text/html; ] > [ 26 lines filtered. ] > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand > this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. > > charset="iso-8859-1" > [ 1 additional quoted lines pruned. ] your > mirror with a concave one? I ordered some but they have not arrived yet. > > http://www.d-90.com/vendor/ef.html > > Jon > > From bens Fri Aug 16 21:50:21 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7H1oLx10405 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 21:50:21 -0400 Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 21:50:21 -0400 Message-Id: <200208170150.g7H1oLh10401@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Christopher H. Dow" To: Eric Johnson , mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Niagra directions Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Eric Johnson wrote: >What are the directions to the camp.....in English. > > >Thank you >eric >-- > > How about a translation? From I5 & CA 120: Take CA 120 to CA 108 (about 28 miles) Take CA 108 to FR 6N24 (Marked as Niagara OHV--about 75 miles) Once you're off 108, there are big signs to get to the campground. C From bens Sat Aug 17 00:46:58 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7H4kw112432 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 00:46:58 -0400 Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 00:46:57 -0400 Message-Id: <200208170446.g7H4kvM12428@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Turner, Jon [LFS]" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: 90/110 mirrors - convex Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; ] [ 28 lines filtered. ] This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. charset="iso-8859-1" Tom - Mine arrived in the mail today. I'll install them next week. Any difficulties to be aware of / hints for easy replacement? Thanks, Jon From bens Sat Aug 17 00:53:23 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7H4rNU12463 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 00:53:23 -0400 Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 00:53:23 -0400 Message-Id: <200208170453.g7H4rNj12459@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Tom Walsh" To: Subject: Re: Niagra directions Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org have fun, wish I could go! TomW ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher H. Dow" To: "Eric Johnson" ; Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 6:50 PM Subject: Re: Niagra directions > > Eric Johnson wrote: > > >What are the directions to the camp.....in English. > > > > > >Thank you > >eric > >-- [ 15 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Sat Aug 17 00:58:08 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7H4w8S12502 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 00:58:08 -0400 Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 00:58:08 -0400 Message-Id: <200208170458.g7H4w8212498@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Turner, Jon [LFS]" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Niagra directions Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 81 lines filtered. ] This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. charset="iso-8859-1" I'll be driving out in the morning. Just flew back from Colorado tonight. From bens Sat Aug 17 01:53:52 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7H5rqi12747 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 01:53:52 -0400 Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 01:53:52 -0400 Message-Id: <200208170553.g7H5rqe12743@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Tom Walsh" To: Subject: Re: 90/110 mirrors - convex Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Turner, Jon [LFS]" To: Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 9:46 PM Subject: RE: 90/110 mirrors - convex > > [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] > [ text/html; ] > [ 28 lines filtered. ] > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand > this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. > > charset="iso-8859-1" > [ 10 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Sat Aug 17 01:56:13 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7H5uDG12776 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 01:56:13 -0400 Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 01:56:12 -0400 Message-Id: <200208170556.g7H5uCn12772@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Tom Walsh" To: Subject: Re: 90/110 mirrors - convex Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > Tom - > > Mine arrived in the mail today. I'll install them next week. Any > difficulties to be aware of / hints for easy replacement? It wasn't to difficult, but it takes a bit of patience to get the mirror stuffed inside the old mirrors original rubber lip. TomW.... Plus Chris Velardi ( the vendor ) is a D90 owner and cool guy to boot > > Thanks, > > Jon > > From bens Sat Aug 17 01:57:05 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7H5v5r12791 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 01:57:05 -0400 Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 01:57:05 -0400 Message-Id: <200208170557.g7H5v5F12787@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Tom Walsh" To: Subject: Re: 90/110 mirrors - convex Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > Tom - > > Mine arrived in the mail today. I'll install them next week. Any > difficulties to be aware of / hints for easy replacement? It wasn't to difficult, but it takes a bit of patience to get the mirror stuffed inside the old mirrors original rubber lip. TomW.... Plus Chris Velardi ( the vendor ) is a D90 owner and cool guy to boot > > Thanks, > > Jon > > From bens Sat Aug 17 01:59:57 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7H5xvt12811 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 01:59:57 -0400 Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 01:59:57 -0400 Message-Id: <200208170559.g7H5xvb12807@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Tom Walsh" To: Subject: Re: 90/110 mirrors - convex Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I'm seeing double here folks! Sorry for the resend :) TomW ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Walsh" To: Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 10:57 PM Subject: Re: 90/110 mirrors - convex > > > > Tom - > > > > Mine arrived in the mail today. I'll install them next week. Any > > difficulties to be aware of / hints for easy replacement? > > It wasn't to difficult, but it takes a bit of patience to get the mirror > stuffed inside the old mirrors original rubber lip. [ 13 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Sat Aug 17 04:56:36 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7H8ua613531 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 04:56:36 -0400 Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 04:56:35 -0400 Message-Id: <200208170856.g7H8uZl13527@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "APG.BEN" To: Subject: Re: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #820 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Yes, and ,many variations on the same theme. 'Old Aussie bushmen' have a swag of tricks like this to keep their Series Landys going in the Outback, using ordinary camp kitchen and natural flora varieties, including oatmeal, bananas, eggs, saliva, human or animal hair, jute, animal skins and bones, potatoes, soap and more. The soap-in-the-hole trick works, to a point. It is equally effective if you mix the soap with saliva, petrol and sand. Sand works better in the desert for us than sugar. It's usually handier, sugar is not encouraged in the tucker bag because it attracts nuisance creatures at a campsite. Unfortunately, our 109 SW fuel tank holes usually occur at the bottom, and are larger than the pesky pinholes that appear in metal jerry cans when they're allowed to rub together on a roof rack. The answer is: Drain the tank (or radiator/oil sumps etc) into empty cans or whatever's available; dry and roughen the edges of the hole back to bright metal; find a piece of hardwood - gidgee stick, acacia - Desert Oak, or Coolibah branch are ideal - and hammer it into the hole. Then, and only then pack your paste of petrol, sand and soap flakes [shave the bar of soap with a pocket knife, providing approximately (2x3)" thin slivers of soap] around and into the hole. Insect frequently for signs of seepage. With luck, and frequent topping up, it will last 'till you get to civilisation. We've used this trick a couple of itmes, including once to get us a few hundred miles along the track outside Birdsville to Charleville after a rupture problem. It's better still, though, to carry some metal putty. Ted and Solange S2A 109 Safari, S3 88 Ute apg@bigfoot.com.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mendo_Recce digest:" To: Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 5:48 AM Subject: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #820 > > Mendo_Recce digest: Wednesday, August 14 2002 Volume 02 : Number 820 > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 15:28:32 -0400 > From: joe mulqueen > Subject: Emergency radiator / fuel tank leak repair tip [ 119 additional quoted lines pruned. ] is > all offroad, or as much offroad/overland/dirt road as possible. Should be > interesting and exciting. We are considering doing this recce sometime in > Sept if anyone is interested in joining us. > > Jason Pipes > jpipes@feldgrau.com > www.feldgrau.com > > 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 [ 54 additional quoted lines pruned. ] GPS - > USGS topo mapping software setup. The nice part about seamless USGS topo > mapping software is that you can follow a trail/route across an entire state > simply by scrolling in any direction. You stand at an intersection and > scroll ahead 50 miles to see see every branch and bend of a trail before > ever heading down it. And because the software is at 7.5 min it's the most > detail you're likely to get in any map from any source. Now I sound like a > salesperson! I'm not though, I just really enjoy the route finding > capabilities in using this setup. > > Jason Pipes > jpipes@feldgrau.com > www.feldgrau.com > > 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 > [ 7 additional quoted lines pruned. ] maps > loaded. Simple to switch from the convenience of the citynavigator maps > telling me where the 5 closest gas stations are, to topo maps with trails. > > But here's a question for Jason. > > What kind of extra detail is available on a 1:25,000 scale topo vs on a > 1:100,000, GIVEN that I have the ability to zoom my gps screen in to a 200 > ft radius on either one? I can understand the advantage in a printed map > which is in effect a fixed zoom, but if you have the ability to zoom in, is > the 4x larger scale really giving you more usable detail and features that > are missing in the 1:100,000 scale? When I look at two maps of say, the > Tincup pass area in central CO on Topozone.com, I don't see a lot more > useful information on the higher resolution map. > > Have you found the larger scale maps getting you something that you can't > get in the smaller scale ones? If not, it might be easier to carry one DVD, > or smaller set of CDs covering a larger area. But then again, too much is > more than enough. If you can carry the entire area you could drive to in > two weeks on a CD or two, no need to have the whole country at your disposal > at any time. The only advantage might be in ultimate cost of one TopoUSA > dvd for $100 to cover the whole country, vs the more detailed NG TOPO! maps > at $90 a state, that is IF one planned to travel that widely. > > Just random thoughts here....But I would be interested to hear your take on > the utility of the larger scale maps vs the smaller. > > Thanks! > > - -Dave G. > > PS - I TOTALLY agree with the coolness of being able to "virtually" test > routes from the stationary vehicle! > [ 17 additional quoted lines pruned. ] second > number (ground distance) is different for each scale - the larger the second > number is, the smaller the scale of the map." - USGS > > Therefore, a 1/100,000 scale map is going to be considered a small scale map > when compared against a 1/24,000 scale map. > > The smaller the scale of a map the less information or detail can be > represented. A 1/100,000 scale map is going to contain less physical detail > than a 1/24,000 scale map even though a 1/100,000 scale map is going to > cover a much greater area. > > To be more direct: > > A 1/100,000 scale = larger displayed area at less detail. > A 1/24,000 scale = smaller displayed area in greater detail. > > So, now to the question at hand. What about this greater versus lesser [ 8 additional quoted lines pruned. ] represent > the same location in 10-20 ft or less increments. That distinction might > seem minor but it can make a big difference depending on what you're looking > at on the map! > > Another reason is that on larger scale maps more man made objects or physical > locations are generally shown. It's impossible to represent every foot > bridge, mill, high tension wire, gated crossing, spring, etc on a 1/100,000 > scale map. On a 1/24,000 scale map all of those sorts of objects and > locations are often shown. Again, this may seem like a minor point but when > doing a recce or exploring a new area it's really important to know as much > about the trail ahead as possible. > > A 1/100,000 scale map may have many if not all of the trails shown as a > 1/24,000 scale map, the difference will be in how much detail is shown about > the area the trail bisects as well as the conditions and objects the trail > passes, crosses or intersects. > > Another big distinction is that often times, such as during our recent NV > trip, trails in areas can literally disappear and reappear someplace else. A > map might show a trail in one specific location when you are most certainly > not on that spot! Being able to use the contour line data and physical > location/man-made objects shown on a larger scale map to help orient you in > such situations can be priceless. > > I also know for a fact that although many 1/100,000 scale representations do > show many of the same trails as can be found on 1/24,000 scale maps, there > are many cases (such as in areas of significant elevation change) where it > is simply not possible to show all known trails on a 1/100,000 scale map. > > Regarding your question about zooming in to a 200 ft view on a 1/100,000 > scale map - that's fine if you can zoom in that far, but you should also > notice often times a lack of information for most areas other than the most > basic of representations (roads, lakes, creeks, etc). That's because nomader > how close in you can zoom the representative data is still only based on an > original 1/100,000 scale. Zooming in really close on a smaller scale map > can't give you any more detail than already exists for that map scale in > particular. > > For additional info, check out the following USGS page: > > http://mac.usgs.gov/mac/isb/pubs/factsheets/fs01502.html > > As well, I've uploaded some page captures showing the same location in 3 [ 1 additional quoted lines pruned. ] an > idea of what I was talking about above. > > Here they are (you may have to disable automatic image resizing in IE): > > 1/500k: www.feldgrau.com/topo-1-500k.JPG > 1/100k: www.feldgrau.com/topo-1-100k.JPG > 1/24k: www.feldgrau.com/topo-1-24k.JPG > > Looking at just this limited area you can see all the additional information > you can gather from using a 1/24k versus a 1/100k. How important that info > is, is a totally different matter... > > Lastly, I recently found it is possible to install all the cd data for the > USGS state series map sets onto a hard disk, thus removing the need to use > multiple cdroms while traveling. > > Hope this helps somewhat! > > Jason Pipes > jpipes@feldgrau.com > www.feldgrau.com > > 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 [ 8 additional quoted lines pruned. ] wife > and I had a blast, I hope everyone else did! > Sorry the meteors weren't intense as last year, but we definetly saw a > bunch! > > Thanks > > TomW > > ------------------------------ [ 6 additional quoted lines pruned. ] Sam > did a good job with the stripmaps. > > Cheers, > Gerry > > > Nearly 4,200 miles of dirt roads stretching from > > > Oregon to Tennessee... sounds pretty awesome. I > > > wrote Sam, and he told me "Yes indeed, you can ride > > > your Land Rover on most of my Trail. And using my [ 138 additional quoted lines pruned. ] out > on the trails again and we do need a second, larger car (because of > ), so we are now the proud owners of a 1999 > Land Rover Discovery Series II (Oslo Blue). Which means we have a '59 > Series II and a '99 Series II. Go figure. We've christened the Disco > Captain Spaulding, the African Explorer (Did someone call me Schnorer?) It > has most everything a stock Disco can have except the '7 package -- rear > jump seats, A/C, and step. It did come with the standard his-and-hers Land > Rover SEG's (Sh*t-Eating-Grins). Oh, and Jared definitely likes riding in > the Disco much better than Rachel's intrigue. > > I remember the point at which we decided that our next vehicle would be a > Disco -- it was at the last Urban Adventure, and we were looking at a disco > with the Safari Gard armor, a lift kit, winch, etc. All the goodies to > make a great vehicle unbeatable. We decided we would get a Disco and get > it set up like that one so we could do all the gonzo runs, not just the > I-don't-want-to-scratch-my-trendy-mall-wagon easy ones. Well, ironically, > it was (iirc) Doug Forehand's disco that we were looking at, and it was two > days *after* buying the Captain that I spotted Doug's e-mail offering Simba > for sale. Oh well. Life happens. This way, however, we get the fun of > getting the Captain set up and picking out the gear we want and so on. > > This means, of course, that I'll have plenty of questions about roof racks, > GPS's, winches, etcetera. (Don't worry, I have the mendo list on my hard > drive going back to the beginning of 2000, so I'll try to do some research > before asking FAQ's.) Here's my first couple of questions, then: > > If you wanted a fairly complete first aid kit, had a limited budget, but > got an employee discount at Long's Drugs, what would you put in the > kit? What would you add that Long's doesn't carry? So far, I've got a > packaged first aid kit, lots of bandages of assorted types and sizes, and > lots of moleskin. Based on a thread from '96, I'd like to add some Sam > Splints (though maybe this -- > -- is just as good?), [ 4 additional quoted lines pruned. ] have > a couple of questions: Dry chemical is the way to go, but what size would > be good to carry? Has anyone found a good supplier (online or > otherwise)? Any particular brands anyone likes? I'm thinking of mounting > it above the driver's side front door, just above the handle there. Is > this a good location? It seems handy, but I could also imagine it coming > loose and beaning the driver (or me bonking my head on it when I get > out.) P.S. Karen Sindir: what dealer was it that you had the problems with? > > btw, for those that might have wondered, Indy was up and running when > Rachel and I got married (mid-May, 1999), but then my dad had a major > stroke in early July, 1999. After that, my life was pretty much focused on > hanging out with him (best couple of years of my life!) and Indy kinda sat > around. My dad passed away May 2001, and the next year was pretty much > missing. Then, Jared was born and we haven't slept since, but we're trying > to get back on our feet and get out and about. We want to get Indy going > again for family road trips too. > > I'll sign off with this thought from the Captain: > > This fact I'll emphasize with stress: > I never take a drink unless > Somebody's buying. > [ 4 additional quoted lines pruned. ] O- > > Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad > roger@sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." > Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates > San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/ > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 09:21:37 -0400 [ 8 additional quoted lines pruned. ] having > an overhead(not directly of coarse) mounted CB or speaker or something. > > In my D90 I have a small extinguisher mounted next to my seat and the > door. I did this for easy access. > I have a second larger one mounted behind the center console. This one is > harder to get too but I could still within reach. > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 09:27:34 -0400 > From: Bob & Sue Bernard > Subject: Re: An amazing experience: balancing a steel wheel > > Not really in the Bay area, but Costco in Chico has the adapter and they [ 28 additional quoted lines pruned. ] understand > this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. > > > http://www.dodgepowerwagon.com/classifieds/winsor55.html > > > > > - -Rob [ 9 additional quoted lines pruned. ] 1/24k > vs. the 1/100k. The biggest thing those pix convinced me of is that those > NG topos are REALLY nice! If I recall, they have a program for passing info > to a GPS don't they? I might have to look into that. Thanks for your help! > > - -Dave G. > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 10:37:53 -0400 > From: Charles R Irvin > Subject: Re: Hooray for Captain Spaulding... > [ 46 additional quoted lines pruned. ] cartoon > were great, but I thought the live action tv show was the best thing on > television last season. > > - -Dave G. > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:53:50 -0400 > From: Stirling Anderson [ 75 additional quoted lines pruned. ] Six > Feet Under, Sex and the City, The Wire, Oz, etc, they are all excellent > shows on every level. Far better than almost anything on regular TV. I'd say > Six Feet Under is one of the single best shows I've ever seen on TV, with > The Sopranos a close second. The Wire is an excellent police drama, Sex in > the City is a fun girl-oriented take on life/love/relationships which is sort > of refreshing to watch, Oz is a gritty "big house" drama... and so on. Great > stuff. > > jpipes > > >We need more great shows like Miami Vice, or Mann and Machine...I > >remember the days when networks used to do battle over the best ratings - > >now they all crank out junk. > > > >Gerry M...when do we get more of your Joe Isuzu classics to watch!?!?!? > > > >Charles > > > >On Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:44:00 -0400 "Gomes, David" > [ 19 additional quoted lines pruned. ] > [ 74 additional quoted lines pruned. ] at > a Berkley Surplus store. For another 10-15 bucks I completed the kit with > some minor items I wanted as well like various pills and lotions. The kit > itself comes with so much stuff it isn't funny. True, much of it was > originally intented for use on people with huge holes in their chests or > missing arms/legs, but every piece is usable for any "normal" injury as > well. Besides, you never know when someone might really get a massive injury > offroad, and it doesn't hurt to have the gear to use in those instances. One > thing to keep in mind with a heavy duty medical kit (or any medical kit) is > to know how to use it. You can do more damage using medical gear wrong in > some case than not using any at all. If you don't want to know exactly how > to use every piece of gear in a more heavy duty kit, it still doesn't hurt > to bring it along anyway to provide for others to use, like Casey McMullen, > who are trained in how to use such items in times when it is needed. > > Regarding Fire ext: > > Dry chemical does indeed seem to be the way to go. I'd suggest getting a > non-corrosive dry chemical, West Marine sells them for about 20 bucks each > in 5 and 10 pound containers. DO NOT mount it above your head, like others > have already said! Best place on a Disco/Defender is on the backside of the > center cubby box. A bonus is you can also mount a larger mag light under it > and have both within easy reach when you need them. Only useful though if > you don't plan to use the center rear seat for people much, otherwise their > leg room will be cramped with those items mounted there. > > Jason Pipes > jpipes@feldgrau.com > www.feldgrau.com > > 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 > > ------------------------------ [ 46 additional quoted lines pruned. ] sticker > on it and it was in a display case with other items for sale. After asking > to look at it and deciding to buy it the owner actually didn't want to sell > it to me and I had to almost beg him to actually sell it. He did say he had > another one, but he never mentioned anything about keeping them for his > wife. He was a nice guy but seemed a bit loopy. This proves it I guess. I > never could understand why he would have something for sale in his store > with a price sticker on it that he simply didn't want to sell, it never made > any sense. > > The place did have some other nice stuff for sale though that I think was > really nice that he didn't seem to have a problem with selling. Rolls of > 100mph tape, ex-mil-spec folding pick axes, spades and shovels, super nice > wool blankets, etc, all very cheap. > > jpipes > > >Jason, > > > >Funny thing happened. I went over to Berkeley surplus to get the other > >of those two trauma kits they had and they told me that it wasn't for > >sale. They said they had two for the owners wife and they accidently [ 61 additional quoted lines pruned. ] at > >a Berkley Surplus store. > > Strangely enough mine has been getting simpler over time and item > expiration dates come & go. Mostly I'm down to pills, antiseptic, band > aids, guzz pads, roll tape, tweezers, a pair of hemostats & a suture > pack. I used to have a real nice burn treatment kit, but someone at a > past British car meet decided they needed it more than I. > > The worst I have had to deal with over the years fall into headaches, [ 20 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Sat Aug 17 12:28:42 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7HGSgP15194 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 12:28:42 -0400 Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 12:28:42 -0400 Message-Id: <200208171628.g7HGSgi15190@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Bob Frey" To: Subject: Re: Re:Lane splitting - was Beggin English lad!! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I commuted for years on the Bay Bridge and splitting lanes in stop and go traffic was a way of life. I think that I've seen every stupid cager trick in the book. It really helps to "profile" commute drivers by make, model, age and their observed level of conciousness.... but still you can't predict the behavior of the vehicle that you're overtaking. I don't know how many times that I've made eye contact in their rear view mirror, began to pass, and been cut off by an agressive type A driver with something against motorcycles. There's also the drivers that rush to "fill the gap" between themselves and the car ahead just after being passed by a bike... although most commute drivers are on auto-pilot and talking on the phone, drinking coffee, fiddling with the stereo, putting on make-up, reading the newspaper... far to busy to pay attention to bike riders splitting lanes. I'm a fairly conservative rider and always am thinking of an "escape route" if things go wrong. Fast tall bikes with good brakes and an experienced rider have fewer problems than the weekend yuppie on his Harley. The scariest is the twenty-something in shorts and tennies blasting through on his japanese crotchrocket. Most motorcycle injuries are to the legs and feet... it's the height of stupidity to ride without body protection and proper footwear. Two years ago I stopped commuting on the bike. I never had any serious problems. I just decided to quit before the statistics caught up with me. Bob Frey '89 RR '60 SII '86 BMW K100 '00 M Coupe > > When I first started riding, I noticed the same thing about drivers > switching lanes in slow moving traffic. One thing I also noticed is > that when cars are driving side by side and not offset they tend not to > change lanes (because there's a car in the way). I find that is the > best place to split lanes. If the cars are driving offset, I slow it > way down and pass cars very wide (almost in an S pattern) to give lots > of room in case they do change lanes and by moving around I am more like > to be noticed. [ 23 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Sat Aug 17 20:08:43 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7I08hK17136 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 20:08:43 -0400 Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 20:08:43 -0400 Message-Id: <200208180008.g7I08hn17132@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kerner, Rob" To: Subject: test Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Sorry for the test, but I just upgraded my email server. -Rob From bens Sat Aug 17 20:29:06 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7I0T6S17247 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 20:29:06 -0400 Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 20:29:06 -0400 Message-Id: <200208180029.g7I0T6u17243@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Peter Hope" To: Subject: Re: Mojave Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > The trailhead is about 11 miles from Needles just over the state line. I'll > dig out those details and post them. > > As check http://www.off-road.com/RoverWeb/trips/MojaveRd/MojaveRd.html > Gerry, thanks for the info and the article. Like the idea of camping at the trailhead. Sounds like a great trip. Pete From bens Sat Aug 17 22:30:55 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7I2Uts17735 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 22:30:55 -0400 Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 22:30:55 -0400 Message-Id: <200208180230.g7I2Uti17731@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Tom Walsh" To: Subject: Re: test Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org you passed! TomW ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerner, Rob" To: Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 5:08 PM Subject: test > > Sorry for the test, but I just upgraded my email server. > > -Rob > From bens Sun Aug 18 21:16:12 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7J1GC624645 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 21:16:12 -0400 Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 21:16:12 -0400 Message-Id: <200208190116.g7J1GCo24641@minbar.fourfold.org> From: john hess To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: grinding noises Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hiya, Well, no good deed goes unpunished. I fixed a small leak at the heater control valve which necessitated moving the valve cover. I didn't get the gasket on correctly and I have an oil leak on the side going down past the dizzy. However, since the new springs and radiator, I have what could be a bad noise and vibration. Ignoring the radiator, could the increase in Stubby's ride height revealed a problem with U-joints? Symptoms: Stopped, engine seems fine, purrs along. start going and get a definite off balance vibration. Plus, I have awful low grinding noises sometimes. Worse when I decelerate, not sure if it's related to the clutch in or out. I think I will drop the rear drive shaft and see if it happens in fwd. Any help in thinking about this greatly appreciated. John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Land Rover Dormobile web pages: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby" 1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" 1999 Bianchi Milano, 2001 Bianchi Pista, 2000 Merlin Extra Fat 2002 Meridian Attache Softride Tandem From bens Sun Aug 18 21:27:49 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7J1RnN24741 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 21:27:49 -0400 Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 21:27:48 -0400 Message-Id: <200208190127.g7J1RmH24737@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Peter Hope" To: Subject: In cab video screens Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org During the thread on incar navigation about a month ago, someone posted a link to a company that makes small (7") flat screen monitors. Ifin ya know what Im talking about, could ya post again? Thanks Pete From bens Sun Aug 18 22:03:53 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7J23rN24908 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 22:03:53 -0400 Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 22:03:53 -0400 Message-Id: <200208190203.g7J23rf24904@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Christopher H. Dow" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: In cab video screens Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Peter Hope wrote: >During the thread on incar navigation about a month ago, someone posted a >link to a company that makes small (7") flat screen monitors. Ifin ya know >what Im talking about, could ya post again? >Thanks >Pete > > There are lots of those around, but no particular links come to mind. Jory Bell and Vance Chin have a company that makes v. small PCs with flat screens. They were slashdotted a couple of weeks ago, and I was to find their names in the listing of the management team. I think when they come out, they'll be pretty good for in-car nav. C From bens Sun Aug 18 22:28:20 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7J2SKA25017 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 22:28:20 -0400 Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 22:28:20 -0400 Message-Id: <200208190228.g7J2SKV25013@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kerner, Rob" To: Subject: RE: grinding noises Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ application/ms-tnef; ] [ 87 lines filtered. ] charset="utf-8" Sm9obiBSZWdlbnQgc3RpbGwgaGFzIG5vaXNlIGluIG92ZXJydW4gZnJvbSBoaXMgcmVhciBkcml2 ZSBzaGFmdCwgYW5kIHRoYXRzIHdpdGggbmV3IHNoYWZ0cywuICBPZiBjb3Vyc2UgUmVnZW50IGhh cyBQYXJhYm9saWNzIGFuZCBtaWxpdGFyeSBzaGFja2xlcyBnaXZpbmcgaGltIGxvdXN5IGRyaXZl IGxpbmUgYW5nbGVzLiAgT25lIG9mIHRoZXNlIGRheXMgSSB3YXMgZ29pbmcgdG8gYnJpbmcgaGlt IHRvIGEgZHJpdmUgbGluZSBwbGFjZSBhbmQgaGF2ZSB0aGVtIHNoaW0gdGhlIGF4ZWwgY2FzaW5n cyBhbmQgYnVpbGQgbWUgY3VzdG9tIHNoYWZ0cy4NCiANCi1Sb2INCiANCg0KCS0tLS0tT3JpZ2lu YWwgTWVzc2FnZS0tLS0tIA0KCUZyb206IGpvaG4gaGVzcyBbbWFpbHRvOmpmaGVzc0BkY24uZGF2 aXMuY2EudXNdIA0KCVNlbnQ6IFN1biA4LzE4LzIwMDIgNjoxNiBQTSANCglUbzogbWVuZG9fcmVj Y2VAZm91cmZvbGQub3JnIA0KCUNjOiANCglTdWJqZWN0OiBncmluZGluZyBub2lzZXMNCgkNCgkN Cg0KDQoJSGl5YSwNCgkNCglXZWxsLCBubyBnb29kIGRlZWQgZ29lcyB1bnB1bmlzaGVkLiAgSSBm aXhlZCBhIHNtYWxsIGxlYWsgYXQgdGhlDQoJaGVhdGVyIGNvbnRyb2wgdmFsdmUgd2hpY2ggbmVj ZXNzaXRhdGVkIG1vdmluZyB0aGUgdmFsdmUgY292ZXIuICBJDQoJZGlkbid0IGdldCB0aGUgZ2Fz a2V0IG9uIGNvcnJlY3RseSBhbmQgSSBoYXZlIGFuIG9pbCBsZWFrIG9uIHRoZSBzaWRlDQoJZ29p bmcgZG93biBwYXN0IHRoZSBkaXp6eS4gIEhvd2V2ZXIsIHNpbmNlIHRoZSBuZXcgc3ByaW5ncyBh bmQNCglyYWRpYXRvciwgSSBoYXZlIHdoYXQgY291bGQgYmUgYSBiYWQgbm9pc2UgYW5kIHZpYnJh dGlvbi4gIElnbm9yaW5nDQoJdGhlIHJhZGlhdG9yLCBjb3VsZCB0aGUgaW5jcmVhc2UgaW4gU3R1 YmJ5J3MgcmlkZSBoZWlnaHQgcmV2ZWFsZWQgYQ0KCXByb2JsZW0gd2l0aCBVLWpvaW50cz8gIFN5 bXB0b21zOiAgU3RvcHBlZCwgZW5naW5lIHNlZW1zIGZpbmUsIHB1cnJzDQoJYWxvbmcuIHN0YXJ0 IGdvaW5nIGFuZCBnZXQgYSBkZWZpbml0ZSBvZmYgYmFsYW5jZSB2aWJyYXRpb24uICBQbHVzLCBJ DQoJaGF2ZSBhd2Z1bCBsb3cgZ3JpbmRpbmcgbm9pc2VzIHNvbWV0aW1lcy4gIFdvcnNlIHdoZW4g SSBkZWNlbGVyYXRlLA0KCW5vdCBzdXJlIGlmIGl0J3MgcmVsYXRlZCB0byB0aGUgY2x1dGNoIGlu IG9yIG91dC4NCgkNCglJIHRoaW5rIEkgd2lsbCBkcm9wIHRoZSByZWFyIGRyaXZlIHNoYWZ0IGFu ZCBzZWUgaWYgaXQgaGFwcGVucyBpbiBmd2QuDQoJDQoJQW55IGhlbHAgaW4gdGhpbmtpbmcgYWJv dXQgdGhpcyBncmVhdGx5IGFwcHJlY2lhdGVkLg0KCQ0KCQ0KCUpvaG4gRi4gSGVzcywgRGF2aXMg Q2FsaWZvcm5pYSAgIGpmaGVzc0BkY24uZGF2aXMuY2EudXMNCglMYW5kIFJvdmVyIERvcm1vYmls ZSB3ZWIgcGFnZXM6DQoJaHR0cDovL3doZWVsLmRjbi5kYXZpcy5jYS51cy9+amZoZXNzL2hvbWVw YWdlLmh0bWwNCgkxOTY4IExhbmQgUm92ZXIgRG9ybW9iaWxlICJFbHZpcyIgIDE5NjAgTGFuZCBS b3ZlciA4OCBQVSAiU3R1YmJ5Ig0KCTE5NjYgTWVyY3VyeSBNb250ZXJleSAiVGlsbGllIg0KCTE5 OTkgQmlhbmNoaSBNaWxhbm8sIDIwMDEgQmlhbmNoaSBQaXN0YSwgMjAwMCBNZXJsaW4gRXh0cmEg RmF0DQoJMjAwMiBNZXJpZGlhbiBBdHRhY2hlIFNvZnRyaWRlIFRhbmRlbQ0KCQ0KDQo= From bens Sun Aug 18 22:34:28 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7J2YSi25048 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 22:34:28 -0400 Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 22:34:28 -0400 Message-Id: <200208190234.g7J2YSA25044@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kerner, Rob" To: Subject: Re Grinding noises Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Sorry about the last post. Don't know what happened, but I am using Outlook Web access. John Regent still has noise in overrun from his rear drive shaft, and thats with new shafts,. Of course Regent has Parabolics and military shackles giving him lousy drive line angles. One of these days I was going to bring him to a drive line place and have them shim the axel casings and build me custom shafts. -Rob From bens Sun Aug 18 23:48:31 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7J3mVr25759 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 23:48:31 -0400 Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 23:48:31 -0400 Message-Id: <200208190348.g7J3mV325755@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Re Grinding noises Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Rob, There is a place here in Paradise called High Angle Drivelines that specializes in this type of thing. I've even seen their ad in 4Wheeler magazine. Bob B At 07:34 PM 8/18/2002, you wrote: >Sorry about the last post. Don't know what happened, but I am using >Outlook Web access. > >John Regent still has noise in overrun from his rear drive shaft, and >thats with new shafts,. Of course Regent has Parabolics and military >shackles giving him lousy drive line angles. One of these days I was >going to bring him to a drive line place and have them shim the axel >casings and build me custom shafts. > [ 3 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Mon Aug 19 01:39:02 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7J5d2G27564 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 01:39:02 -0400 Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 01:39:01 -0400 Message-Id: <200208190539.g7J5d1H27560@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Paul's B-day Sushi-Monday! ;-) was Re: Beggin English lad!! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- "Fil F." wrote: > > yes , a decent place for sushi in Fremont used to be...I am sure it'll still be good. and for anyone who doesn't ant raw fish, Yuri is a regular Japanese restaurant, so they have all sorts of other food. ;-) >( i wonder what > "Fre" means in > "Fremont") - u r not free to park your vehicle on the > curb !!! Fil.....time to let go! ;-) I let they bug me so much it tore me up inside stressing and being mad. I thought about that, and resolved the issue by moving the rovers at least once a week when in front....of course it helps now that I am down to two rovers and one midget...when there were three more there, it was more difficult to juggle around.. Paul __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From bens Mon Aug 19 02:02:09 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7J629E27673 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 02:02:09 -0400 Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 02:02:09 -0400 Message-Id: <200208190602.g7J629627669@minbar.fourfold.org> From: joe mulqueen To: mendo Subject: re. grinding noises Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org For some reason, I have a foggy notion I SPENT TWO YEARS trying to solve a similar rumble with my truck! Root Cause: A change in driveline angle. There are several ways to fix/reduce the problem: 1) Install fresh ujoints and test. 2) Replace driveshaft if slip joint is at all worn. 3) Rebuild dif or transfer case if any looseness present. 4) Install shims to make the driveshaft rear ujoint angle more like the front angle (negatively speaking). 5) Install CV jointed rear driveshaft (requires machined adapter, new driveshaft, and a way to zero out the rear pinion angle). Note: I have a little used adapter and driveshaft assy for a 109 Salisbury for sale. 6) Reduce the suspension lift. Are you running 3 leafers? Does your tail seem needlessly higher than the front of the vehicle? Lastly (and most seriously), search the web for "driveline angles". The info is good. Also, support the rear axle on jackstands and run the drivetrain in top gear. Vary the speedo between 40-60 mph using your hand on the gas pedal while you're hunched on the ground beside your truck. If you have driveline problems, you'll practically "see" the vibrations. Good luck, Joe Mulqueen '67 SIIA 109 SW (with parabolics) Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 21:16:12 -0400 From: john hess Subject: Hiya, .......However, since the new springs and radiator, I have what could be a bad noise and vibration....... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From bens Mon Aug 19 02:05:18 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7J65Ic27701 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 02:05:18 -0400 Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 02:05:17 -0400 Message-Id: <200208190605.g7J65H127697@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Roger Sinasohn To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: In cab video screens Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org At 10:03 PM 8/18/02 -0400, you wrote: >Jory Bell and Vance Chin have a company that makes v. small PCs with >flat screens. They were slashdotted a couple of weeks ago, and I was to >find their names in the listing of the management team. I think when >they come out, they'll be pretty good for in-car nav. That's . You can also try for LCD's. Also, check out for systems designed for in-vehicle use. (I have a couple of their screens and an older Databrick.) --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger@sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/ From bens Mon Aug 19 02:23:24 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7J6NOQ27772 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 02:23:24 -0400 Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 02:23:24 -0400 Message-Id: <200208190623.g7J6NOs27768@minbar.fourfold.org> From: joe mulqueen To: mendo Subject: RE: Mojave trip? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I'm currently in Socal so I'm a bit late with my emails but I remember last years Mojave Road trip as a bit hurried and where I would've loved to spend extra time here and there along the way. Days are extremely short at those dates and it's nice to have a few hours before nightfall to set camp, go for a walk, etc. Plus, there are some pretty interesting side trips to explore. Since most people need to be back at work Jan 2, how about starting a day earlier? Thanks, Joe Mulqueen '67 SIIA 109 SW Cotati, CA "....how does Monday (Dec. 30- Jan 1) through Wed. sound?..." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From bens Mon Aug 19 03:47:40 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7J7leS28099 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 03:47:40 -0400 Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 03:47:40 -0400 Message-Id: <200208190747.g7J7leb28095@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Tom Walsh" To: Subject: Re: grinding noises Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org hmmm, virus? TomW. cough please! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerner, Rob" To: Subject: RE: grinding noises > > charset="utf-8" > > Sm9obiBSZWdlbnQgc3RpbGwgaGFzIG5vaXNlIGluIG92ZXJydW4gZnJvbSBoaXMgcmVhciBkcml2 > ZSBzaGFmdCwgYW5kIHRoYXRzIHdpdGggbmV3IHNoYWZ0cywuICBPZiBjb3Vyc2UgUmVnZW50IGhh > cyBQYXJhYm9saWNzIGFuZCBtaWxpdGFyeSBzaGFja2xlcyBnaXZpbmcgaGltIGxvdXN5IGRyaXZl From bens Mon Aug 19 09:18:57 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7JDIvN29465 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 09:18:57 -0400 Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 09:18:57 -0400 Message-Id: <200208191318.g7JDIvb29461@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Peter Hope" To: Subject: Re: In cab video screens Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > You can also try for LCD's. Also, check out > for systems designed for in-vehicle use. (I have > a couple of their screens and an older Databrick.) Thanks for the links. The company that was mentioned before had 7" lcd screens designed to be installed in cars, I think as part of entertainment systems. The one that I was looking at had a roof mount, was hinged so it would fold up flat on the roof, or drop down. Had saved the link, but can't find it now. Too many pc's :-) Pete From bens Mon Aug 19 09:20:07 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7JDK7k29487 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 09:20:07 -0400 Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 09:20:07 -0400 Message-Id: <200208191320.g7JDK7829483@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Peter Hope" To: Subject: Re: Mojave trip? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > explore. Since most people need to be back at work > Jan 2, how about starting a day earlier? I am available the whole week. Pete From bens Mon Aug 19 09:34:09 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7JDY9O29544 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 09:34:09 -0400 Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 09:34:08 -0400 Message-Id: <200208191334.g7JDY8R29540@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: " mendo rec list" Subject: Re: re. grinding noises Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Lastly (and most seriously), search the web for >"driveline angles". You don't have to search too hard on that one. According to a LR technical data booklet I have, the factory specifies 26 degrees as the maximum drive shaft angle. TeriAnn Wakeman If you send me direct mail, please Santa Cruz, California start the subject line with TW - twakeman@cruzers.com I will be sure to read the message http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 From bens Mon Aug 19 09:52:33 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7JDqXE29719 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 09:52:33 -0400 Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 09:52:33 -0400 Message-Id: <200208191352.g7JDqXp29715@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gerry Elam" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: Mojave trip? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Works for me. And, for that matter, even if some folks can't start on Sunday, we'll be easy to find. :-) Cheers, Gerry >explore. Since most people need to be back at work >Jan 2, how about starting a day earlier? _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From bens Mon Aug 19 10:04:39 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7JE4d530073 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 10:04:39 -0400 Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 10:04:38 -0400 Message-Id: <200208191404.g7JE4cs30069@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: re. grinding noises Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "....the factory specifies 26 degrees as the maximum drive shaft angle..." That seems crazy high to me. Well, maybe not as in max extension, but certainly not for steady cruising. Most U-joints are more comfortable with 5-7 degees of deflection, and 10 degrees is a better working limit to keep in mind. Much more than that, and you should be thinking about a CV, IMHO. Often as not a worn slider is a bigger culprit in drive line vibes than are U-joints. Unfortunate too as they're lots more difficult to replace. You don't even need to be able to feel slop to have vibe trouble. Lifting the truck puts all of the drive shaft components into different working ranges than the ones where they've taken a "set" over the previous years. Doing a significant lift is a good time to plan for new drive shafts, and to bring the transfer case output bearings and pinion bearings back into pre-load spec. A full rebuild isn't necessary for this, just some cover removal and re-shimming, at least at the t-case end. Rover diffs might require disassembly to re-set pinion preload. The ENV axles have handy removable pinion assemblies. -Dave G. From bens Mon Aug 19 10:08:55 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7JE8th30185 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 10:08:55 -0400 Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 10:08:55 -0400 Message-Id: <200208191408.g7JE8ta30181@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Mojave trip? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Cheryl and I are a pretty certain go this year, with Wyatt in tow. We could be flexible to start date since it looks like we won't be travelling for Christmas this year. We too would rather take it slowly and maybe spend two evenings/mornings on the trail. No preference to whether we choose to start early or end late though. -Dave G. From bens Mon Aug 19 10:57:26 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7JEvQj30820 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 10:57:26 -0400 Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 10:57:26 -0400 Message-Id: <200208191457.g7JEvQK30816@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gerry Elam" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: Mojave trip? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Maybe I'm not reading your note correctly but it's already a 2-night trip with about 2.5 days on the trail. One thing that would help would be if we hit the trail earlier. I think our normal starting time is 9 AM and you know how that tends to be a 10 AM start. :-) Would folks consider an earlier start? The flip side of that is it makes it more difficult for those driving overnight. Cheers, Gerry >From: "Gomes, David" >Christmas this year. We too would rather take it slowly and maybe spend >two >evenings/mornings on the trail. No preference to whether we choose to >start >early or end late though. > >-Dave G. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From bens Mon Aug 19 11:16:51 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7JFGpc31087 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 11:16:51 -0400 Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 11:16:51 -0400 Message-Id: <200208191516.g7JFGpe31083@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Christopher H. Dow" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: In cab video screens Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Peter Hope wrote: >>8< >> >Thanks for the links. > >The company that was mentioned before had 7" lcd screens designed to be >installed in cars, I think as part of entertainment systems. The one that I >was looking at had a roof mount, was hinged so it would fold up flat on the >roof, or drop down. >8< [ 1 additional quoted lines pruned. ] I vaguely remember Crutchfield having such a thing. C From bens Mon Aug 19 11:18:04 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7JFI4A31151 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 11:18:04 -0400 Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 11:18:04 -0400 Message-Id: <200208191518.g7JFI4h31147@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Polla Slade" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: Mojave trip? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hey guys, Starting early is better for me, but I will probably want to stay later as well. I'll have my son in tow also, so it'll be fun to have some kid time I think. I dug out all of my maps yesterday and wanted to look and see where you guys have gone in the past. Is it going to be the same this year or different? Can anyone give me the route you went last year so I can get an idea of where we're going? I'm just awfully curious, I've never explored that part of the US before so I'm pretty excited. Thanks! Michael _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From bens Mon Aug 19 11:42:09 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7JFg9331386 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 11:42:09 -0400 Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 11:42:08 -0400 Message-Id: <200208191542.g7JFg8631382@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Peter Hope" To: Subject: Re: Mojave trip? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > I dug out all of my maps yesterday and wanted to look and see where you guys > have gone in the past. Is it going to be the same this year or different? > ohohohoh what Michael asked. Anyone know the 7.5 minute quads that cover the area? Is the whole route in CA or does it go into NV also? Thanks Pete From bens Mon Aug 19 11:44:37 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7JFibh31416 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 11:44:37 -0400 Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 11:44:36 -0400 Message-Id: <200208191544.g7JFian31412@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Mojave trip? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "...it's already a 2-night trip..." Sorry, my bad. Basically, we're flexible. But it will be our first off-road and camping trip with by-then 18 month old Wyatt. So, flexibility and learning will be our middle name. :^) I tend to prefer earlier starts and earlier stops, but the key to it all is enjoyment. Another thing we could consider, is just a central meeting point for new years eve, and then groups or sub groups could start or end as they please or need to, but agreeing to meet for a pot luck or something somewhere on new years eve. Just a thought. -Dave G. From bens Mon Aug 19 12:01:31 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7JG1VG31534 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 12:01:31 -0400 Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 12:01:30 -0400 Message-Id: <200208191601.g7JG1UP31530@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Russ Wilson To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mojave trip? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > > explore. Since most people need to be back at work >> Jan 2, how about starting a day earlier? > >I am available the whole week. >Pete The extra day sounds like a good idea to me. I'd much rather take things a bit slower and be able to set up camp during hours of daylight. RW -- "Your friend is the one you call to bail you out of jail. Your best friend is the one sitting next to you saying,'Dude, that was awesome!" From bens Mon Aug 19 12:15:22 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7JGFMM31641 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 12:15:22 -0400 Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 12:15:21 -0400 Message-Id: <200208191615.g7JGFL531637@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gerry Elam" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: Mojave trip? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Good deal. I think for New Years, we could designate the dunes that are just east of Soda Lake as a good meeting point. There are two ways in and both are good as long as the lake is dry. Except for sand, even a 2WD could probably make it but I wouldn't want to encourage that. Are we on a Monday or Sunday departure? Let's let it sink in for a while and ask that question later. Cheers, Gerry >From: "Gomes, David" >Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" >Subject: RE: Mojave trip? >Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 11:44:36 -0400 > >"...it's already a 2-night trip..." > >Sorry, my bad. Basically, we're flexible. But it will be our first [ 14 additional quoted lines pruned. ] _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From bens Mon Aug 19 12:16:35 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7JGGZx31665 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 12:16:35 -0400 Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 12:16:35 -0400 Message-Id: <200208191616.g7JGGZ431661@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Russ Wilson To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: Mojave trip? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Maybe I'm not reading your note correctly but it's already a 2-night trip >with about 2.5 days on the trail. > >One thing that would help would be if we hit the trail earlier. I think our >normal starting time is 9 AM and you know how that tends to be a 10 AM >start. :-) Would folks consider an earlier start? > >The flip side of that is it makes it more difficult for those driving >overnight. An earlier start time means that if you are driving in from L.A. or Orange County you would be forced to come in the night before. Not a big deal to me either way, just a thought. RW -- "Your friend is the one you call to bail you out of jail. Your best friend is the one sitting next to you saying,'Dude, that was awesome!" From bens Mon Aug 19 12:26:31 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7JGQVr31761 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 12:26:31 -0400 Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 12:26:30 -0400 Message-Id: <200208191626.g7JGQUm31757@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gerry Elam" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mojave trip? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Topos are nice but in addition, if you really want to understand the Mojave Road and it's historical impact, go to http://www.desertusa.com/web_cart/db/pages/5094.html and order Dennis Casebier's book. It's truly worth every penny and it has maps as well. I'll see what I can find re topomaps. Cheers, Gerry >From: "Peter Hope" >Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >To: >Subject: Re: Mojave trip? >Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 11:42:08 -0400 > > > I dug out all of my maps yesterday and wanted to look and see where you >guys > > have gone in the past. Is it going to be the same this year or [ 9 additional quoted lines pruned. ] _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From bens Mon Aug 19 13:24:07 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7JHO7632149 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 13:24:07 -0400 Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 13:24:06 -0400 Message-Id: <200208191724.g7JHO6h32145@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Mojave trip? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Thanks for the link Gerry. I just ordered one. I had taken the weasel way out and printed most of the book from the web site a few years back. I figured it was time to pony up and pay the "shareware" fees. It really is a great book. And they had the sense to spiral bind it, like every book meant for use in the car should be, IMHO. That alone was the final straw that clinched the sale for me. :^) I know I've plugged the following here before, but it's another "must have" for the desert wanderer: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1888035056/qid=1029777607/sr=8 -1/ref=sr_8_1/102-3271219-7498548?s=books&n=507846 -Dave G. From bens Mon Aug 19 13:24:45 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7JHOjY32164 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 13:24:45 -0400 Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 13:24:45 -0400 Message-Id: <200208191724.g7JHOjS32160@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Polla Slade" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: Mojave trip? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Gerry wrote... >.......we could designate the dunes that are just east of >Soda Lake as a good meeting point. Hey Gerry, To warm me up, give me a page on the DeLorme S. California Atlas if you can???? I'm not finding Soda Lake. Thanks! Michael PS Did someone mention pot-luck???? Maybe I'll have to bring my cooking trailer! Hehe. _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From bens Mon Aug 19 13:31:39 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7JHVds32220 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 13:31:39 -0400 Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 13:31:39 -0400 Message-Id: <200208191731.g7JHVdF32216@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Polla Slade" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: Mojave trip? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Ok, I knew the time would come to go to Borders and spend some $$$. Today is the day. Those two books are the reason I've come to this decision. ;) I spent 80 bucks on maps at the BLM office in Las Vegas on Friday, then spent another 75 bucks on maps and books (and a Smoky Bear hat, hehe), in St. George the next day! Oh well. It'll go in with the other maps I have! Dang it you guys, I guess I'll have to learn about where I live now eh? Michael PS Are the dunes next to Soda Lake on pp. 87 of the S. Cal. DeLorme??? _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From bens Mon Aug 19 13:35:09 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7JHZ9W32275 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 13:35:09 -0400 Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 13:35:09 -0400 Message-Id: <200208191735.g7JHZ9T32271@minbar.fourfold.org> From: James Howard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: In cab video screens Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Try one of Kevin Kelly's favourite companies: www.partsexpress.com. Peter Hope wrote: From bens Mon Aug 19 13:41:45 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7JHfjx32340 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 13:41:45 -0400 Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 13:41:45 -0400 Message-Id: <200208191741.g7JHfjA32336@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Benjamin Smith To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mojave trip? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In message <200208191724.g7JHOjS32160@minbar.fourfold.org>you wrote: > I'm not finding Soda Lake. Soad lake is near Zzyzx Rd. Ben From bens Mon Aug 19 13:49:31 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7JHnVU32425 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 13:49:31 -0400 Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 13:49:30 -0400 Message-Id: <200208191749.g7JHnUA32421@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gerry Elam" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: Mojave trip? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Sorry... don't have a CA copy. Go to Baker CA and Soda is just south or southwest of there... barely. Or, check this out: http://topozone.com/map.asp?z=11&n=3891570&e=584568&s=200 Cheers, Gerry >From: "Polla Slade" >Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Subject: RE: Mojave trip? >Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 13:24:45 -0400 > >Gerry wrote... > > >.......we could designate the dunes that are just east of [ 18 additional quoted lines pruned. ] _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From bens Mon Aug 19 13:58:08 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7JHw8t32542 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 13:58:08 -0400 Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 13:58:07 -0400 Message-Id: <200208191758.g7JHw7F32538@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Polla Slade" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: Mojave trip? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Ben, Thanks! I got it. So, we're meeting in Needles and heading west to Soda Lake? Are these two different trips? Hmmmm. Enquiring minds want to know (tm). Michael _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From bens Mon Aug 19 13:59:57 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7JHxvL32596 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 13:59:57 -0400 Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 13:59:56 -0400 Message-Id: <200208191759.g7JHxuT32592@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Benjamin Smith To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mojave trip? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In message <200208191758.g7JHw7F32538@minbar.fourfold.org>you wrote: > So, we're meeting in Needles and heading west to Soda Lake? Are these two > different trips? That's the general plan. Actually you cross soda lake and drive for another 10 to 20 miles west along the river bed. Overall the trip is something like 130 miles of trail. Almost all off pavement. Ben From bens Mon Aug 19 14:04:24 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7JI4OV32655 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 14:04:24 -0400 Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 14:04:24 -0400 Message-Id: <200208191804.g7JI4OP32651@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Polla Slade" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: Mojave trip? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Ok, now I'm feeling really stupid. I CAME THROUGH BAKER when I drove from Paso Robles to Las Vegas! I was having some very significant overheating issues and wasn't really paying attention to where I was, but was busy watching guages and preparing for the inevitable. I saw the neon 'worlds tallest thermometer' and kept on driving. I was totally surprized at all the 4000+ft passes that you have to climb getting into Las Vegas. it's funny, all the years going to Vegas coming from the N. and not once have I done the drive from CA to Vegas. Living here is going to be interesting and educational that's for sure. Michael _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From bens Mon Aug 19 14:19:09 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7JIJ9K32753 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 14:19:09 -0400 Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 14:19:09 -0400 Message-Id: <200208191819.g7JIJ9u32749@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Thomas Joyner" To: "Mendo List" Subject: Mohammed's contact info Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Dave G, All, Would Dave G or someone else please let me know Mohammed's contact info? Tom 88 RR Durango From bens Mon Aug 19 14:34:44 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7JIYic00457 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 14:34:44 -0400 Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 14:34:44 -0400 Message-Id: <200208191834.g7JIYin00453@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mojave trip - topo maps Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org The 30x60 min (1:100,000 scale) series topos for the Mojave Road region are as follows, north to south and from west to east: Soda Mountain Newberry Springs Ivanpah Amboy Davis Dam Needles The USGS 7.5 min topo maps used for the trip are as follows, north to south and from west to east: Soda Lake North Soda Lake South Broadwell Mesa Seventeen Mile Point Cowhole Mountain West of Glasgow Granite Spring Indian Springs Old Dad Mountain Glasgow Cow Cove Marl Mountain Kelso Kelso Dunes Cime Dome Cima Hayden Fountain Peak Joshua Mid Hills Columbia Mountain Colton Well Ivanpah Pinto Valley Woods Mountain Desert Spring Castle Peaks Grotto Hills Hackberry Mountain Fenner Hills East of Grotto Hills Signal Hill Goffs West of Juniper Mine Homer Mountain Homer Juniper Mine East of Homer Mountain Bannock Mount Manchester Needles NW The NG/USGS CA state topo series cdrom set has all of the above available as well as the 2500 other 7.5 min topos for the state! If anyone has time on this or any other trip, I'd suggest stopping in at Goffs and meeting David Casebier. Goffs is a very neat little place and the literature they have for sale is worth the trip alone. They sell a great 4 volume set on the East Mojave Heritage Trail which is a nice companion to his Guide to the Mojave Road. Petra and I did the Mojave Road last year but we never did manage to run into the main group traveling on the same route. We did manage to explore a heck of a lot though as we spent about a week driving around. We tenatively plan to do the trip again this year and also plan to take about a week to do it again. We found some STUNNING places off the main route to visit if anyone is interested. Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 From bens Mon Aug 19 14:51:06 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7JIp6V00591 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 14:51:06 -0400 Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 14:51:06 -0400 Message-Id: <200208191851.g7JIp6000587@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Mohammed's contact info Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 15 lines filtered. ] 1-800-274-4830 -Dave From bens Mon Aug 19 14:56:13 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7JIuD500626 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 14:56:13 -0400 Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 14:56:12 -0400 Message-Id: <200208191856.g7JIuCO00622@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Mojave trip - topo maps Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "...We found some STUNNING places off the main route to visit if anyone is interested...." Absolutely Jason. The couple times I've been on the road I've looked longingly south at Kelso Dunes. Anyone done much exploring down that way? Or is it on closed land or something? Have to check what the moon will be like those dates. Night time photography in the desert is fun. -Dave G. From bens Mon Aug 19 14:57:17 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7JIvHO00660 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 14:57:17 -0400 Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 14:57:17 -0400 Message-Id: <200208191857.g7JIvHl00656@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Mojave trip? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "....I knew the time would come to go to Borders and spend some $$$...." Only thing worse than turning me loose in a book store, is turning me loose among maps. -Dave G. From bens Mon Aug 19 15:36:17 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7JJaHj00882 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 15:36:17 -0400 Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 15:36:17 -0400 Message-Id: <200208191936.g7JJaHu00878@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gerry Elam" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: Mojave trip? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Take a look at http://www.desertusa.com/who/PDF/MOJA-we1.pdf It's a fairly high level map but it'll put you in the ballpack... or desert so to speak. Cheers, Gerry PHX AZ _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From bens Mon Aug 19 15:51:39 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7JJpdl00965 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 15:51:39 -0400 Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 15:51:39 -0400 Message-Id: <200208191951.g7JJpdk00961@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gerry Elam" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: Mojave trip? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org We had to purchase a Rand McNally for Robyn and her school work. The version requested was the "red cover" which I found out was the international version versus the "blue cover" which is the US version. Dang kid must have sent at least 3 hours "reading" it this weekend. I have no idea where she gets this from either. Cheers, Gerry >Only thing worse than turning me loose in a book store, is turning me loose >among maps. > >-Dave G. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From bens Mon Aug 19 15:55:30 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7JJtUu01138 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 15:55:30 -0400 Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 15:55:30 -0400 Message-Id: <200208191955.g7JJtUd01134@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: " mendo rec list" Subject: RE: re. grinding noises Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >>"....the factory specifies 26 degrees as the >>maximum drive shaft angle..." > >That seems crazy high to me. My reference: Land Rover Technical Details. For Stall guidance only - Not for general issue to the public. October 1971. Publication No. 805/10.71 Page 11. It is the maximum angle the U joint should ever see. TeriAnn Wakeman If you send me direct mail, please Santa Cruz, California start the subject line with TW - twakeman@cruzers.com I will be sure to read the message http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 From bens Mon Aug 19 16:14:13 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7JKEDc01276 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 16:14:13 -0400 Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 16:14:13 -0400 Message-Id: <200208192014.g7JKED701272@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: " mendo rec list" Subject: Series alignment specs & speed specs Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Someone was asking about series suspension alignment number the other week and I was focsed on other things and didn't take the time to dig out my little book. Wheel camber 1 degree, 30 seconds wheel caster 3 degrees swivel pin inclination 7 degrees front wheel toe in between 3/64ths and 3/32nds. Now for some fun stats: Factory acceleration numbers (weights, empty as delivered single occupant & vehicle in new condition) 0-50 MPH through the gears 88 petrol 16.3 seconds 88 diesel 20.5 seconds 109 2.5 petrol 23.1 seconds 109 2.6 petrol 15.9 seconds 109 diesel 23.4 seconds 109 1-ton 26.3 seconds The winner is a 109 station wagon with the LR six. Land Rover published maximum highway speeds....drum roll 88 & 109 2.25L petrol, 65-70 MPH (depending upon version) 109 2.6L six, 72 MPH 88 & 109 diesel, 60-65 MPH (depending upon version) 109 1-ton, 67 MPH TeriAnn Wakeman If you send me direct mail, please Santa Cruz, California start the subject line with TW - twakeman@cruzers.com I will be sure to read the message http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 From bens Mon Aug 19 16:55:16 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7JKtGr01577 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 16:55:16 -0400 Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 16:55:16 -0400 Message-Id: <200208192055.g7JKtG801573@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Peter Ogilvie To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Series alignment specs & speed specs Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Think there is a typo there. The 109 2.5 petrol should read 2.25 petrol. The 2.5 four has power figures closer to the 2.6 six so should have performance figures closer to the petrol six. the top speeds are interesting. 72mph for the six and 70 for the four. Wind resistance increases geometrically. Even the higher hp and torque of the six doesn't make you go a whole lot faster. Takes lots of hp and gasoline to push an aluminum shoe box down the highway faster than 70mph. Aloha Peter O. > > 0-50 MPH through the gears > > 88 petrol 16.3 seconds > 88 diesel 20.5 seconds > 109 2.5 petrol 23.1 seconds > 109 2.6 petrol 15.9 seconds > 109 diesel 23.4 seconds > 109 1-ton 26.3 seconds [ 13 additional quoted lines pruned. ] __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From bens Mon Aug 19 17:06:25 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7JL6PR01738 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 17:06:25 -0400 Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 17:06:25 -0400 Message-Id: <200208192106.g7JL6P301734@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Shannon Holland" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: my turn! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org It's my turn to do the test! My dsl modem went south on Saturday so I lost all email over the weekend. It should have been cached at my isp but there was nothing mendo-wise when I got it working again this morning. Did I get turned off because things were bouncing or has everyone really been that quiet? Hope everyone had fun at Niagra - was bummed I couldn't go. Shannon From bens Mon Aug 19 17:07:51 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7JL7p101769 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 17:07:51 -0400 Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 17:07:50 -0400 Message-Id: <200208192107.g7JL7oF01765@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Series alignment specs & speed specs Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I'm not sure I can see the difference between wheel caster and swivel pin inclination. How can they be different? Bob B At 01:14 PM 8/19/2002, TAW wrote: >Someone was asking about series suspension alignment number the other >week and I was focsed on other things and didn't take the time to dig out >my little book. > >Wheel camber 1 degree, 30 seconds > >wheel caster 3 degrees > >swivel pin inclination 7 degrees [ 2 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Mon Aug 19 17:14:29 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7JLETh01838 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 17:14:29 -0400 Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 17:14:29 -0400 Message-Id: <200208192114.g7JLETX01834@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: " mendo rec list" Subject: correction Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >0-50 MPH through the gears > >88 petrol 16.3 seconds >88 diesel 20.5 seconds >109 2.5 petrol 23.1 seconds That should read 2.25L petrol >109 2.6 petrol 15.9 seconds >109 diesel 23.4 seconds >109 1-ton 26.3 seconds TeriAnn Wakeman If you send me direct mail, please Santa Cruz, California start the subject line with TW - twakeman@cruzers.com I will be sure to read the message http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 From bens Mon Aug 19 17:22:56 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7JLMuY01939 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 17:22:56 -0400 Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 17:22:56 -0400 Message-Id: <200208192122.g7JLMuW01935@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "charles chuan-chen phu" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: question about old Land Rover financing Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi, everyone, Does anybody know or anyone has heard or experienced if there's any loan provider out there who would accept year 1993 vehicle like NAS D110 for car loan? Because as far as I know and I've contacted, many loan providers don't take vehicles as old as year 1993. Thanks in advance. Regards, Charles Phu _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From bens Mon Aug 19 17:37:31 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7JLbVl02125 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 17:37:31 -0400 Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 17:37:31 -0400 Message-Id: <200208192137.g7JLbVh02121@minbar.fourfold.org> From: shukait@mac.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: Motorcycle safety was Beggin English lad!! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org My 2 cents, If you decide to ride then consider these lists, make an informed decision and enjoy your scooter! You'll have prepared yourself and you ready to have a great time! Every case is different and I'm sure you can add other things to the lists. List 1: 1. Take all the training you can and keep going back for more. Treat riding a motorcycle like flying a plane, you need to remain current and qualified. Most people just "drive" their cars, on a motorcycle you need more preparation, awareness and training. 2. Buy a good helmet... ask yourself how much is my head worth? 3. Buy a good set of leathers with armor and padding built in. 4. Buy a good set of riding boots and gloves. A complete set of good riding gear will get close to if not over $2000. 5. ADD front and back rib armor. Broken ribs are hell, you can't breath very well at all, they puncture your lungs, liver and spleen. Recovery takes forever and you can't do much except eat pain killers. 6. Wear your gear every time you ride. 7. If you ski or ride a motorcycle get the following shots; HIB, Pneunovax, Meningitis. You build antibodies differently when you have your spleen than after it's removed. Trauma from skiing and motorcycles is the number one cause of Spleen removal. Encapsulated bacteria infections kill people with out their spleen. List 2: 1. Are you married? 2. Have you talked to your spouse? 3. Do you have kids? 3. Who will take care of you if your hurt badly and need constant care, married or not? 4. Do you have enough life insurance? 5. Can your spouse pay off bills, house, take care of themselves, kids if your income is lost? See point #5, insurance 6. Do you have a will? List 3: 1. You can't control or change other bad drivers, do you understand the risks involved? 2. You can't control road conditions, oil, loose gravel, water, etc. do you understand the risks? Now go have fun and enjoy yourself! Going back over my list above I covered everything except the shots and rib armor. It wasn't until I was laying in the road with four broken ribs, a punctured lung and ruptured spleen that I truly knew the impact to everyone. I love riding and it's the most fun vehicle next to aircraft but FOR ME the price was too high. When the guys at work go on a lunch ride, I still miss it. Pam says after the kids are grown and we're on our own we'll buy a Harley and just put around. ~:^) Have fun! Keith BMW R65 - gone :^( BMW F650 - sold :^( From bens Mon Aug 19 17:39:00 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7JLd0h02171 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 17:39:00 -0400 Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 17:39:00 -0400 Message-Id: <200208192139.g7JLd0j02167@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Series alignment specs & speed specs Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "....I'm not sure I can see the difference between wheel caster and swivel pin inclination....." Does this sound right Bob? Caster is the amount the swivel pin axis is tilted REARward at the top, and inclination is the amount it's tilted INward at the top? That would be my guess, not having one in front of me to measure. Then camber is determined by the angle of the face of the SPH where the stub axle mounts. -Dave G. From bens Mon Aug 19 17:40:52 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7JLeqp02209 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 17:40:52 -0400 Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 17:40:52 -0400 Message-Id: <200208192140.g7JLeqM02205@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: " mendo rec list" Subject: Re: Series alignment specs & speed specs Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >I'm not sure I can see the difference between wheel caster and swivel pin >inclination. >How can they be different? I dono, I just copied then out of the LR tech spec booklet TeriAnn Wakeman If you send me direct mail, please Santa Cruz, California start the subject line with TW - twakeman@cruzers.com I will be sure to read the message http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 From bens Mon Aug 19 18:10:03 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7JMA3P02586 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 18:10:03 -0400 Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 18:10:03 -0400 Message-Id: <200208192210.g7JMA3q02582@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Jim Holmes" To: Subject: RE: question about old Land Rover financing Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Charles, Check out www.peoplefirst.com. When they approve a loan, they're approving based on your credit and not the specifics of the vehicle being purchased. I'm very satisfied with the loan I received through them. Jim '59 Series II 88" Tucson > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org > [mailto:owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org]On Behalf Of charles chuan-chen > phu > Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 2:23 PM > To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > Subject: question about old Land Rover financing > > [ 20 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Mon Aug 19 18:11:21 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7JMBLb02615 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 18:11:21 -0400 Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 18:11:20 -0400 Message-Id: <200208192211.g7JMBK302611@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Paul's B-day Sushi-Monday! ;-) was Re: Beggin English lad!! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org ok guys who wants to go? ;-) I'm thinking around 7:00 or 7:30 at Yuri.(Mowry/Fremont by barnes/noble) or at my house any time before that. Tim wanted to come on by and see the other rover and the Ducati(do you still want to tonight Tim?) directions available just ask! ;-) Paul (funny! I don't feel any older...) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From bens Mon Aug 19 18:48:17 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7JMmHL03019 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 18:48:17 -0400 Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 18:48:17 -0400 Message-Id: <200208192248.g7JMmH303015@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Russ Wilson To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: Mojave trip? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Take a look at http://www.desertusa.com/who/PDF/MOJA-we1.pdf > >It's a fairly high level map but it'll put you in the ballpack... or desert >so to speak. Gerry, You planning on having your rover running or will this be another run on the BMW? -- "Your friend is the one you call to bail you out of jail. Your best friend is the one sitting next to you saying,'Dude, that was awesome!" From bens Mon Aug 19 18:50:14 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7JMoEq03066 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 18:50:14 -0400 Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 18:50:13 -0400 Message-Id: <200208192250.g7JMoDq03062@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: Motorcycle safety was Beggin English lad!! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Keith, I can't aggree more with you Motorcycls can be extremely dangerous. When riding off-road I always wear all my armour, but have to admit, I have yet to actually install armour in any of my leathrs....and don't even have a back protector(I really need to cut down the armour I have from an old full suit down to fit in the pockets in one of my jackets, and sew in pockets for the hip armour and knee armour as well in one pair of the pants..someday...it doesn't really matter right now as the Duc is out of comission for a while anyway Glad you survived your accident! At my friend Pablo's funeral on Friday, we all learned more about him and what a wonderfull person he really was, but it is too late for him.(he was wearing full armour and a new Arai helmet, but htat was not enough...still do not know what really happened...) Paul --- shukait@mac.com wrote: > > My 2 cents, > > If you decide to ride then consider these lists, make an > informed > decision and enjoy your scooter! You'll have prepared > yourself and you > ready to have a great time! Every case is different and > I'm sure you [ 77 additional quoted lines pruned. ] __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From bens Mon Aug 19 19:08:19 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7JN8JT03161 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 19:08:19 -0400 Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 19:08:19 -0400 Message-Id: <200208192308.g7JN8J103157@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Tom Walsh" To: Subject: Re: Paul's B-day Sushi-Monday! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Whats the plan for tonight? Where do we meet, what time? TomW From bens Mon Aug 19 19:30:25 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7JNUPD03275 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 19:30:25 -0400 Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 19:30:25 -0400 Message-Id: <200208192330.g7JNUPk03271@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Paso to Vegas, 25 rad flushes later...(was: Re: Mojave trip?) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Michael, You should have had my phone numbers on you: that very afternoon, I was driving upto my girlfriends' place in Visalia...ALMOST went up Hwy 14 and into Bakersfield via Hwy 58 - and if I had, I would have bumped right into you! (I took I-5 to Hwy 99 instead) Glad you made it: once you pass Mojave, there's nothing between there and Barstow, except for the gas stations at Four Corners! (and nothing reasonably-priced between Barstow and Baker, and absolutely nothing between Baker and Stateline - what was there is closed!) Everybody else: I make the run between L.A. and Visalia often, so keep my cellphone number with you...310-704-5270. If I can't help to fix it, I can at least push/pull you out of the way (depending on what I'm driving), or deliver parts from B.P...by the end of the year I should be in Visalia more or less permanently - until I get a place in/near Reno. Sometimes I head straight up I-5 to Hwy 99, other times I go up the 14 to the 58, and cut over...depends on what traffic at the north end of the SFV, and into the Grapevine is doing Charles - heading to Vegas tomorrow... On Thu, 15 Aug 2002 20:23:52 -0400 "Polla Slade" writes: > > Peter, > > Are you in Bakersfield???? I was DESPERATELY needing some help last > > Thursday and was racking my brain trying to figure out if I knew > anyone from > Bakersfield. > [ 73 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Mon Aug 19 19:36:42 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7JNag103310 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 19:36:42 -0400 Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 19:36:42 -0400 Message-Id: <200208192336.g7JNag403306@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Paul's B-day Sushi-Monday! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- Tom Walsh wrote: > > Whats the plan for tonight? > Where do we meet, what time? didn't I just say that? ;-) look at my previous e-mail(you probably just read it?) Paul cell 408-313-1289 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From bens Mon Aug 19 19:39:41 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7JNdfM03346 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 19:39:41 -0400 Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 19:39:41 -0400 Message-Id: <200208192339.g7JNdfu03342@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Roger Sinasohn To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: question about old Land Rover financing Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org At 05:22 PM 8/19/02 -0400, you wrote: >Does anybody know or anyone has heard or experienced if there's any loan >provider out there who would accept year 1993 vehicle like NAS D110 for car >loan? Because as far as I know and I've contacted, many loan providers don't >take vehicles as old as year 1993. I financed my old Land Rover through my credit union. p.s., 1993 isn't old. Mine was a '59. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger@sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/ From bens Mon Aug 19 19:55:15 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7JNtFJ03463 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 19:55:15 -0400 Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 19:55:15 -0400 Message-Id: <200208192355.g7JNtFt03459@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Tom Walsh" To: Subject: Re: Paul's B-day Sushi-Monday! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org nope! I sent myne 1st TomW ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Archibald" To: Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 4:36 PM Subject: Re: Paul's B-day Sushi-Monday! > > > --- Tom Walsh wrote: > > > > Whats the plan for tonight? > > Where do we meet, what time? > didn't I just say that? ;-) look at my previous e-mail(you > probably just read it?) > [ 8 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Mon Aug 19 19:59:43 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7JNxhm03488 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 19:59:43 -0400 Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 19:59:43 -0400 Message-Id: <200208192359.g7JNxhU03484@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gerry Elam" To: "Mendo" Subject: Re: Mojave trip? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" ] [ 20 lines filtered. ] Don't know and won't know until Sandy gets here, get a job and we can det= ermine her schedule. Mostly likely, I'll be in the Discovery. =20 Cheers, Gerry =20 =20 ----- Original Message ----- From: Russ Wilson Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 16:03 PM To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: Mojave trip? =20 >Take a look at http://www.desertusa.com/who/PDF/MOJA-we1.pdf > >It's a fairly high level map but it'll put you in the ballpack... or des= ert >so to speak. Gerry, You planning on having your rover running or will this be =20 another run on the BMW? -- =20 "Your friend is the one you call to bail you out of jail. Your best =20 friend is the one sitting next to you saying,'Dude, that was awesome!" From bens Mon Aug 19 20:11:11 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7K0BBp03573 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 20:11:11 -0400 Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 20:11:11 -0400 Message-Id: <200208200011.g7K0BBJ03569@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: question about old Land Rover financing Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org We got ours through Bank of Santa Clara - there are many financial institutions out there that are aware of the market for older and rarer vehicles and will gladly provide the cash for them. -- Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 From bens Mon Aug 19 20:31:55 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7K0Vts03711 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 20:31:55 -0400 Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 20:31:55 -0400 Message-Id: <200208200031.g7K0VtE03707@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: Series alignment specs & speed specs Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Dave, Unless something better comes along, I like your explanation. Sounds logical. Bob B At 02:39 PM 8/19/2002, you wrote: >"....I'm not sure I can see the difference between wheel caster and swivel >pin >inclination....." > >Does this sound right Bob? Caster is the amount the swivel pin axis is >tilted REARward at the top, and inclination is the amount it's tilted INward >at the top? That would be my guess, not having one in front of me to >measure. Then camber is determined by the angle of the face of the SPH >where the stub axle mounts. [ 2 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Mon Aug 19 20:45:17 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7K0jHT03803 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 20:45:17 -0400 Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 20:45:17 -0400 Message-Id: <200208200045.g7K0jHQ03799@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Peter Hope" To: Subject: Re: In cab video screens Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org YES!!!! That was it. Thanks James...and Kevin From bens Mon Aug 19 21:06:06 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7K166G03912 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 21:06:06 -0400 Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 21:06:05 -0400 Message-Id: <200208200106.g7K165Z03902@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Paul's B-day Sushi-Monday! ;-) was Re: Beggin English lad!! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org ...For some stupid reason I thought this was last week! Happy Birthday, Paul!!!!! Charles ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Mon Aug 19 21:06:06 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7K166S03921 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 21:06:06 -0400 Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 21:06:06 -0400 Message-Id: <200208200106.g7K166K03911@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mojave trip - alternate exploring Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Folks, Does anybody know if the "sand art" (I forget the official name for them - but they're like the figures you see in the deserts in Peru) near Barstow is still accessible to the public??? Caught a rerun of "In Search Of" at the girlfriends' a few weeks ago, and forgot about it until you guys started mentioning stuff. Charles ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Mon Aug 19 21:06:13 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7K16Dt03934 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 21:06:13 -0400 Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 21:06:06 -0400 Message-Id: <200208200106.g7K166D03910@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mojave trip? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org ...and you didn't stop to eat at the Mad Greek's!?!?!?!? Shame on you...go back. Charles On Mon, 19 Aug 2002 14:04:24 -0400 "Polla Slade" writes: > > Ok, now I'm feeling really stupid. > > I CAME THROUGH BAKER when I drove from Paso Robles to Las Vegas! > ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Mon Aug 19 21:26:28 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7K1QSO04144 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 21:26:28 -0400 Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 21:26:28 -0400 Message-Id: <200208200126.g7K1QSF04140@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Paul's B-day Sushi-Monday! ;-) was Re: Beggin English lad!! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- Charles R Irvin wrote: > > ...For some stupid reason I thought this was last week! > > Happy Birthday, Paul!!!!! Thanks! Ya know you still have 1/2 hour to get here! ;-) paul __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From bens Mon Aug 19 21:50:06 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7K1o6g04261 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 21:50:06 -0400 Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 21:50:06 -0400 Message-Id: <200208200150.g7K1o6d04257@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Peter Hope" To: Subject: Re: Mojave trip? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > "....I knew the time would come to go to Borders and spend some $$$...." > > Only thing worse than turning me loose in a book store, is turning me loose > among maps. > hahahaha Sounds like me. I have almost the entire Washington Cascade range in 7.5 minute and am working on getting the same in 15minute. Also buying books on the old wagon trails, ghost towns and gold mines in the area. Trying to plan a 2-3 day camping/rovering/photog trip for next spring. Pete From bens Mon Aug 19 21:53:31 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7K1rVM04298 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 21:53:31 -0400 Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 21:53:31 -0400 Message-Id: <200208200153.g7K1rVQ04294@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Peter Hope" To: Subject: Re: Series alignment specs & speed specs Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > Takes > lots of hp and gasoline to push an aluminum shoe box > down the highway faster than 70mph. SUre Do !!! > > 0-50 MPH through the gears > > > > 88 petrol 16.3 seconds > > 88 diesel 20.5 seconds Hmm, I am doing 0-60 on flat ground with a diesel in under 16 seconds ;-) Mo power, bwaaahaaaahaaaa From bens Mon Aug 19 23:01:58 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7K31wN04654 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 23:01:58 -0400 Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 23:01:58 -0400 Message-Id: <200208200301.g7K31wK04650@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Christopher H. Dow" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mojave trip? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Polla Slade wrote: >8< > >To warm me up, give me a page on the DeLorme S. California Atlas if you >can???? > >I'm not finding Soda Lake. > > There's a map on my web page about the '99 run: http://www.thelen.org/mojave/mojave.html C From bens Mon Aug 19 23:28:23 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7K3SNa04849 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 23:28:23 -0400 Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 23:28:23 -0400 Message-Id: <200208200328.g7K3SN704845@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "charles chuan-chen phu" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: question about old Land Rover financing Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Thanks Jason and Roger. I'll keep trying. CP >From: Jason Pipes >Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Subject: Re: question about old Land Rover financing >Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 20:11:11 -0400 > >We got ours through Bank of Santa Clara - there are many financial >institutions out there that are aware of the market for older and rarer >vehicles and will gladly provide the cash for them. [ 6 additional quoted lines pruned. ] _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From bens Tue Aug 20 00:01:48 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7K41mN05100 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 00:01:48 -0400 Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 00:01:48 -0400 Message-Id: <200208200401.g7K41mc05096@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Polla Slade" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mojave trip? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Peter wrote... >Also buying books on the old wagon trails, ghost towns and gold mines in >the >area. Trying to plan a 2-3 day camping/rovering/photog trip for next >spring. > >Pete Birds of a feather...... Today I bought: Sierra Nevada Byways: 50 of the Sierra Nevada's Best Adventure Roads Geology Underfoot in Central Nevada Nevada Ghost Towns & Mining Camps Atlas Saturday I bought: 6 maps I hadn't previously bought from S. Utah/N. Ariz. Friday I bought: 19 maps of Nevada (mostly 1:10,000 scale) I hadn't bought before. Additionally over the weekend my inlaws brought down my crate of maps that I've been collecting over the past 12 years or so. My books are still packed in SLC. Can't wait to crack them out! I'll be getting those two books that were recommended today for sure. They sound like good ones, and B&N didn't have them. Maybe I'll check Borders tomorrow. Michael _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From bens Tue Aug 20 09:50:40 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7KDoe709146 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 09:50:40 -0400 Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 09:50:40 -0400 Message-Id: <200208201350.g7KDoem09142@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Mojave trip? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Michael, I think you'll almost have to order the US-50 and Mojave books through the mail. The only place I've ever seen the US 50 book for sale was, I think, in the ranger's station/book store in Lone Pine, CA, of all places. But since you are in NV, you never know. -Dave G. From bens Tue Aug 20 11:06:19 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7KF6Jw09895 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 11:06:19 -0400 Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 11:06:19 -0400 Message-Id: <200208201506.g7KF6Jw09891@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Mitchell, Ben" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: Series Seats... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi Folks, Wondering if anyone has thoughts on the relative merits of the aftermarket replacement Series seats available from the likes of BP or RN, vs. having my original seat bases recovered by Badger. Specifically, I'm wondering if it's worth the over $500 difference (more than double the cost) to have Badger do it. I know Chris produces very high quality stuff - I just don't have enough first hand experience with Series seats to know whether this is one of those times it's worth the added cost. Best, -Ben From bens Tue Aug 20 11:17:48 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7KFHmS09992 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 11:17:48 -0400 Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 11:17:48 -0400 Message-Id: <200208201517.g7KFHm009988@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Peter Whitbeck To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: Series Seats... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 25 lines filtered. ] The elephant-hide (Rhino-vinyl) imitations that BP has look pretty good. Not cheap though at $89 each. http://www.britishpacific.com/series/s_new.html#seat I'm also thinking about this because I've got a roll of the original elephant-hide material to use on my seats. P ************** Peter Whitbeck Peter@RailCarAmerica.com http://www.railcaramerica.com/pw/ From bens Tue Aug 20 11:21:00 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7KFL0210023 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 11:21:00 -0400 Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 11:21:00 -0400 Message-Id: <200208201521.g7KFL0X10019@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kerner, Rob" To: Subject: RE: Series Seats... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Ben do you have deluxe seats, or flat cushions. I have never sat in a deluxe seat, but the flat cushions regent had were bad. Regents current seats have a little too much bolster, so it is harder to get in, but Cobra(regents seats) makes a really nice seat with less side bolster that looks really comfortable. -Rob From bens Tue Aug 20 12:07:53 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7KG7rs10413 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 12:07:53 -0400 Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 12:07:52 -0400 Message-Id: <200208201607.g7KG7q510409@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mojave trip - US Hwy 50 book in Reno Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org There is a book store in downtown Reno (the only book store I've ever seen in Reno, in fact) that sells a good number of Nevada history and local interest books, including the Hwy 50 guidebook. The name of the store is Sundance Booksstore, it's # is 775-786-1188 and they are located at 1155 W 4th St # 106, Reno, NV 89503. Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 From bens Tue Aug 20 12:46:15 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7KGkF010698 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 12:46:15 -0400 Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 12:46:15 -0400 Message-Id: <200208201646.g7KGkFT10694@minbar.fourfold.org> From: john hess To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: Re: Series Seats... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org FYI, we had Stubby's seats recovered (well, actually restored) by a shop in Woodland. I can't really quote a price, since they did the wood seat bases, and recovered the seats plus the rest of the interior, but they would be a place I can recommend. No elephant hide tho' Arteche's upholstery was the name. Arteche died but Jack was continuing on the shop. They also redid the Dormie seats. and the Mercury. In each case, they redid the seats exactly the way they were. cheers, john hess, Davis, California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Dormie web pages at http://dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/startpoint.html From bens Tue Aug 20 13:01:33 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7KH1XJ10820 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 13:01:33 -0400 Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 13:01:32 -0400 Message-Id: <200208201701.g7KH1W610816@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Series Seats... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Ben, If you have the later S2A or S3 deluxe seats, they are firmer on the sides and softer in the middle. They are fairly comfortable compared to the aftermarket ones that are a lot firmer in the middle. Of course it's for the individual to decide which one he prefers. The early S2/S2a slabs are barely adequate and I don't like the original grey hide because it is rather stiff. Yes Badger does do wonderful quality work but he is very busy right now with a large order. Bob B At 08:06 AM 8/20/2002, you wrote: >Hi Folks, > >Wondering if anyone has thoughts on the relative merits of the aftermarket >replacement Series seats available from the likes of BP or RN, vs. having my >original seat bases recovered by Badger. Specifically, I'm wondering if >it's worth the over $500 difference (more than double the cost) to have >Badger do it. I know Chris produces very high quality stuff - I just don't >have enough first hand experience with Series seats to know whether this is >one of those times it's worth the added cost. [ 4 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Tue Aug 20 13:33:13 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7KHXDP11103 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 13:33:13 -0400 Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 13:33:13 -0400 Message-Id: <200208201733.g7KHXDe11099@minbar.fourfold.org> From: shukait@mac.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Seat belts Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org All, What recommendations does everyone have for putting seat belts in, for the bench seats in the back of a 88 or 109 pick up? BP says go to Pepboys, Rovers North says $120ea. I'm most concerned with proper mounting. Use BIG washers? Run a metal bar under the body where the seat belts mount? What did the factory do in the civilian models? What brand did you buy? Where did you get them? As always, thanks! Keith & Pam Shukait Northern California Rover Club 1997 Land Rover Discovery XD "YLLWJKT" 1969 Land Rover Series IIA ExMoD 109 Regular "Millie" 1967 Land Rover Series IIA NADA 6 Cylinder Dormobile "Indiana" From bens Tue Aug 20 14:08:18 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7KI8Io11395 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 14:08:18 -0400 Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 14:08:18 -0400 Message-Id: <200208201808.g7KI8Ik11391@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Seat belts Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- shukait@mac.com wrote: > What recommendations does everyone have for putting seat > belts in, for > the bench seats in the back of a 88 or 109 pick up? BP > says go to > Pepboys, Rovers North says $120ea. I find that vintage airline belts are muuuch better in apperance in a series. Not sure where they can easilly be had nowadays as I got mine at the EAA Oshkosh fly-in nine years ago. but there should be somewhere in California that has these. maybe major surplus down around LA! Charles? ahve you seen them there? I'm most concerned > with proper > mounting. Use BIG washers? Run a metal bar under the > body where the > seat belts mount? in a steel-bodied car, I'd say you're ourty safe just going with the biiig washers....buuuuuuuuut not sure of the integrity of the aluminum of Rover fender-box areas...you'd be safer off with a 1/8" x 2"x however long the complete fender-box is..piece of steel under the box for strength.....just make sure you apply mucho paint to the steel brace or even rubber strip on contact area to prevent the galvanic corrosion...... Paul (my solution is not to put rear seats in Elgie at the moment....I found the bench seats are really uncomfortable when I had them in Surely, so didn't keep them) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From bens Tue Aug 20 14:21:48 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7KILmY11526 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 14:21:48 -0400 Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 14:21:48 -0400 Message-Id: <200208201821.g7KILmi11522@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Peter Whitbeck To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: Seat belts Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I took a piece of steel (1/8th thick by about 4" wide and as long as needed for the correct spaceing) and bolted it under the body. Attached the big ol' eyebolts (that the belts attach to) directly to the plate. Seems plenty strong. Haven't crash tested it though... ; ) P ************** Peter Whitbeck Peter@RailCarAmerica.com http://www.railcaramerica.com/pw/ From bens Tue Aug 20 14:35:46 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7KIZkR11615 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 14:35:46 -0400 Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 14:35:46 -0400 Message-Id: <200208201835.g7KIZk611611@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Peter Ogilvie To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Series Seats... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I bought a set of after market seats from AB years ago. Don't know who the supplier was. They look like the later seats but they're made like the early ones, otherwise, just a flat slab of foam. The stock late seats are contoured and a lot more comfortable than the aftermarket one's I got. I'd lean to rebuilding the stock seats, if I could afford it, unless I was assured the aftermarket variety were really contoured and properly designed. Aloha Peter O. --- "Mitchell, Ben" wrote: > Wondering if anyone has thoughts on the relative > merits of the aftermarket > replacement Series seats available from the likes of > BP or RN, vs. having my > original seat bases recovered by Badger. > Specifically, I'm wondering if > it's worth the over $500 difference (more than > double the cost) to have > Badger do it. I know Chris produces very high [ 5 additional quoted lines pruned. ] __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From bens Tue Aug 20 14:49:26 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7KInQ111735 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 14:49:26 -0400 Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 14:49:26 -0400 Message-Id: <200208201849.g7KInQq11731@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Seat belts Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Major's doesn't have 'em: HOWEVER...I believe there's a place at Mojave Airport that's selling off all the passenger-related stuff from commercial jets that get converted into freighters. Don't know the names of any places off hand, but there is (at least) one there. They should have so many good/used seatbelts lying around that they'd probably pay you to take them! Charles On Tue, 20 Aug 2002 14:08:18 -0400 Paul Archibald writes: > > > --- shukait@mac.com wrote: > > > What recommendations does everyone have for putting seat > > belts in, for > > the bench seats in the back of a 88 or 109 pick up? BP > > says go to > > Pepboys, Rovers North says $120ea. [ 35 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Tue Aug 20 14:52:33 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7KIqXR11772 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 14:52:33 -0400 Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 14:52:33 -0400 Message-Id: <200208201852.g7KIqXe11768@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Biophilian@aol.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Not Another Alternator! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Two years ago, almost to the day, I replaced the alternator in the Range Rover. Lately there's been a slight misfire when accelerating from idle--kind of a "puh" sound. The alternator WAS last on my list of possible causes, so I checked and adjusted the timing, verified the potentiometer was set correctly, pulled the plugs and checked the gaps, and even threw in the new spare coil just to be sure. No difference. Last night after I shut off the engine the alternator light stayed on! The tach still works though. Last time the alternator went belly-up the tach didn't work and the alternator light stayed on after shut down. Anyone have an alternator fail where the tach still worked? The rebuilt Lucas 133/80 I put in two years ago does have a "Limited Lifetime Warranty...." But I may just buy new and rebuild this for a spare if it is in fact the alternator. What else could it be? I'm off to poke around and do the test the Workshop Manual outlines. Is there something else I might look into that would cause the light to remain on? Suggestions, please. Kevan Wiser '87 RR From bens Tue Aug 20 15:47:07 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7KJl7c12219 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 15:47:07 -0400 Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 15:47:07 -0400 Message-Id: <200208201947.g7KJl7E12215@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Polla Slade" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Seat belts Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org maybe I should go there to get the rear seats for my crew-cab??? Question is, do I get 2-wide, leather, plush, 1st class seats, or 3-wide coach? Michael _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From bens Tue Aug 20 15:47:56 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7KJlu312235 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 15:47:56 -0400 Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 15:47:56 -0400 Message-Id: <200208201947.g7KJluJ12231@minbar.fourfold.org> From: eric.fournier@attbi.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: Seat belts Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org You can find this sort of stuff at your local race shop (cars that is). They'll have backing plates and eyebolts or mounting tabs rated for this sort of thing. Keith, you can check out Frey in Milpitas. There might even be something closer to you. Frey Racing 349 Sango Ct, Milpitas, CA 95035 Phone: (408) 956-3900 Eric Fournier From bens Tue Aug 20 15:48:32 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7KJmWk12260 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 15:48:32 -0400 Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 15:48:32 -0400 Message-Id: <200208201948.g7KJmW612256@minbar.fourfold.org> From: James Howard To: "mendo_recce@fourfold.org" Subject: Tuning Rover V8s book? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Does anyone have this book: Tuning Rover V8 Engines, by David Hardcastle? I am looking for information about using other (cheaper and hopefully better) distributors, and was wondering if this book had any info about that. Thanks, James From bens Tue Aug 20 15:51:16 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7KJpG612300 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 15:51:16 -0400 Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 15:51:16 -0400 Message-Id: <200208201951.g7KJpGX12296@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Polla Slade" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Not Another Alternator! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org kevan, You might want to upgrade to a high-output alternator from Wrangler NW. www.wranglernw.com I have one of theirs in a box waiting to be installed when one of mine goes kaput. they also have an alternator rebuilding service and do a GOOD job. they have rebuilt 2 of mine in the past (different alternators). Michael _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From bens Tue Aug 20 15:56:23 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7KJuND12355 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 15:56:23 -0400 Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 15:56:23 -0400 Message-Id: <200208201956.g7KJuNQ12351@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: " mendo rec list" Subject: Re: Seat belts Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org So is this like a reason to go on the Mojave trip if you were not already planning too? >Major's doesn't have 'em: HOWEVER...I believe there's a place at Mojave >Airport that's selling off all the passenger-related stuff from >commercial jets that get converted into freighters. Don't know the names >of any places off hand, but there is (at least) one there. TeriAnn Wakeman If you send me direct mail, please Santa Cruz, California start the subject line with TW - twakeman@cruzers.com I will be sure to read the message http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 From bens Tue Aug 20 16:06:18 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7KK6IZ12442 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 16:06:18 -0400 Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 16:06:18 -0400 Message-Id: <200208202006.g7KK6IJ12438@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Thomas Joyner" To: "Mendo List" Subject: Overhead LCDs Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Pete, Check out www.crutchfield.com They have 10 monitors listed all around 7" and some overhead and some back of headrest style. Tom 88 RR Durango From bens Tue Aug 20 16:11:05 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7KKB5V12479 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 16:11:05 -0400 Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 16:11:04 -0400 Message-Id: <200208202011.g7KKB4X12475@minbar.fourfold.org> From: craig reece To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Tuning Rover V8s book? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org You could probably find it used on Amazon. Craig James Howard wrote: > Does anyone have this book: Tuning Rover V8 Engines, by David > Hardcastle? > > I am looking for information about using other (cheaper and hopefully > better) distributors, and was wondering if this book had any info about > that. > > Thanks, > [ 1 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Tue Aug 20 16:30:28 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7KKUSR12579 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 16:30:28 -0400 Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 16:30:27 -0400 Message-Id: <200208202030.g7KKURK12575@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Biophilian@aol.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Not Another Alternator! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Thanks Michael. It does appear to be the alternator. I'm getting 13.2 +/- volts at idle, and it drops immediately to less than 12 with the lights on. (battery is fresh) Voltage varies under throttle, too. Noisy bearings. Let this be a lesson to ME--you get what you pay for. I knew $159.00 for a rebuilt Lucas with Lifetime warranty was too good to be true, but hey, it was 2 miles away and in stock. What can I say. I didn't see any Lucas or Magneti Marellis on wranglernw.com. What alternator do you have? I was hoping to not have to do bracket mods as is necneeded to fit a Delco. I'd like 100amps this time around, given the winch, lights, stereo and future dual Optimas. Advice? What's in that box of yours? ;-) Thanks again Michael. Kevan In a message dated 8/20/02 12:51:46 PM Pacific Daylight Time, pollaslade@hotmail.com writes: << You might want to upgrade to a high-output alternator from Wrangler NW. www.wranglernw.com I have one of theirs in a box waiting to be installed when one of mine goes kaput. >> From bens Tue Aug 20 16:37:57 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7KKbvm12716 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 16:37:57 -0400 Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 16:37:57 -0400 Message-Id: <200208202037.g7KKbvK12712@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Tuning Rover V8s book? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- James Howard wrote: > > > Does anyone have this book: Tuning Rover V8 Engines, by > David > Hardcastle? > > I am looking for information about using other (cheaper > and hopefully > better) distributors, and was wondering if this book had [ 2 additional quoted lines pruned. ] I'll have a look and let you know Paul __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From bens Tue Aug 20 16:43:04 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7KKh4712772 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 16:43:04 -0400 Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 16:43:04 -0400 Message-Id: <200208202043.g7KKh4n12768@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Tuning Rover V8s book? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org There is a mint hardcover copy available at alibris.com for $44. Go to that site and search by title for "tuning rover v8 engines" -Dave G. From bens Tue Aug 20 16:44:41 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7KKifm12791 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 16:44:41 -0400 Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 16:44:41 -0400 Message-Id: <200208202044.g7KKiff12787@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Polla Slade" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Not Another Alternator! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hey, I gotta say that for 159 bucks you didn't do too bad considering they had it on the shelf and it probably was an immediate need. That Wrangler alternator appears to be an AC Delco unit that has been rewound. Part no. 4G130SS Amps 150/130 volts 14 it also has a nice bracket and some good instructions. Ed Sanman in Portland put this alternator on his D90 a long time ago and has loved it. Comes with a serpentine belt pully, but I can change that out. Let me take a pic and send it to you. If anyone else wants it pipe up! Michael >Thanks Michael. It does appear to be the alternator. I'm getting 13.2 +/- >volts at idle, and it drops immediately to less than 12 with the lights on. >(battery is fresh) Voltage varies under throttle, too. Noisy bearings. Let >this be a lesson to ME--you get what you pay for. I knew $159.00 for a >rebuilt Lucas with Lifetime warranty was too good to be true, but hey, it >was >2 miles away and in stock. What can I say. > >I didn't see any Lucas or Magneti Marellis on wranglernw.com. What [ 22 additional quoted lines pruned. ] _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From bens Tue Aug 20 16:53:22 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7KKrML12917 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 16:53:22 -0400 Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 16:53:22 -0400 Message-Id: <200208202053.g7KKrMv12913@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Joe Ward To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: Seat belts Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 24 lines filtered. ] I can tell you from personal experience that 2" washers won't necessarily hold in a 25mph collision, even in a steel-bodied car, and I have the scars to prove it. Joe Ward P.s. I'm also looking at retro-fitting seatbelts in my 109, so let me know if you find a good solution -- thanks. From bens Tue Aug 20 17:08:13 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7KL8DT13011 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 17:08:13 -0400 Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 17:08:13 -0400 Message-Id: <200208202108.g7KL8DO13007@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Mehdi Saghafi" To: Subject: RE: Series Seats... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 28 lines filtered. ] They are as hard as rock, but look right. I say go for after market or D90 high backs. Mehdi From bens Tue Aug 20 17:40:39 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7KLedM13348 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 17:40:39 -0400 Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 17:40:39 -0400 Message-Id: <200208202140.g7KLedu13344@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: Series Seats... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- Mehdi Saghafi wrote: > > [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] > [ Included Original Message ] > [ 28 lines filtered. ] > They are as hard as rock, but look right. I say go for > after market or D90 > high backs. If you look in the mags, there are some good deals on these too! I have to aggree with Medhi on the firmness of these. i bought a set of hi-back BLRS seats at the Portland abfm meet a few years ago and installed in Elgie. Personally I prefer the firm ride. They are great! ;-) After using the crappy foam in my last two sets of seats and having my but hit the seat-base after fifteen minutes drive. .....another idea is to go to a marine upholsterer. I have a set of seats tucked away in the shed I am hourding, that were done in marine vinyl and new support material. they are also very but comfortable on long trips. Paul __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From bens Tue Aug 20 17:47:54 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7KLls213384 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 17:47:54 -0400 Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 17:47:54 -0400 Message-Id: <200208202147.g7KLlsC13380@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Peter Whitbeck To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: Series Seats... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Has anyone had their old-style series seats totally rebuilt to original spec? I'm curious about the best way to go about this. I've been collecting old seat bases and I've got two types it seems. With springs and with foam. I'd like to end up with two sets of seats - one original with elephant-hide and one that is actually comfortable and that I don't mind thrashing. Any feeback? P ************** Peter Whitbeck Peter@RailCarAmerica.com http://www.railcaramerica.com/pw/ From bens Tue Aug 20 18:20:02 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7KMK2G13595 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 18:20:02 -0400 Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 18:20:02 -0400 Message-Id: <200208202220.g7KMK2M13591@minbar.fourfold.org> From: James Howard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Tuning Rover V8s book? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Thanks. BP has it listed for $29. Before I buy it, though, I want to know if it is worth buying. "Gomes, David" wrote: From bens Tue Aug 20 18:57:48 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7KMvmZ13853 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 18:57:48 -0400 Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 18:57:48 -0400 Message-Id: <200208202257.g7KMvmq13849@minbar.fourfold.org> From: eric.fournier@attbi.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: Seat belts Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org This brings up a good point. I got the 4" square 1/8" thick backing plates, not the 2" washers. (this was for a race car project, not a rover) But these are only as good as the material or location where they're placed. My helpfulness is limited as I have little Series knowledge. Don't want to use that thin Aluminum floor... You can look on your Disco and see that even on it's steel floor, the rear seatbelt mounts go through the floor to a bracket attached to the frame. Eric Fournier From bens Tue Aug 20 20:37:21 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7L0bLS14307 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 20:37:21 -0400 Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 20:37:20 -0400 Message-Id: <200208210037.g7L0bKA14303@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "tim boorman" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Subscription Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi all, As you all may or may not know i've just come to the States from the UK to work for a year, its bad enough i had to leave my truck behind so i thought the next best thing would be to subcribe to LRO again. I subscribed over 4 weeks ago to the U.S. address given in the LRO mag and still heard nothing, does anyone out the subcibe to LRO via this address, if so does anyone have a contact phone number as its not given in the LRO mag i have (or i'm just being blind!!), then i can chace the order up? Also last week i asked if anyone had an old copy of LRO (July 2001) as i'm looking for an article in that mag - somebody replied with a copy but i managed to loose the e-mali with there name on!!! so who ever it was thanks for the reply, are you still going to the hollister BBQ this weekend??, perhapes we can hook up there? Cheers - Tim just an after thourght - has the September issue of LRO come out yet - when do you guys normally get the mags?? _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From bens Tue Aug 20 21:22:42 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7L1MgD14510 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 21:22:42 -0400 Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 21:22:41 -0400 Message-Id: <200208210122.g7L1Mfu14506@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Tony McCauley To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #826 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >From: "Mitchell, Ben" >Subject: Series Seats... >Wondering if anyone has thoughts on the relative merits of the aftermarket >replacement Series seats available from the likes of BP or RN, vs. having my >original seat bases recovered by Badger. About seven years ago I bought a set of aftermarket seats from AB for my IIA. They looked fine, but were just a foam shape with a particle board base. Much less comfortable than the originals. They also didn't have the raised sides which I missed. The particle board broke on the back of one of them within a year and the stitching has started to let go in places. Luckily I kept the old ones and intend to have them recovered when I get my truck back on the road. Not really a bargain. By the way there was an upholstery shop on the west side of either Middlefield or Old Middlefield past Shoreline that gave me a fairly reasonable price and showed me some very nice work done on old cars and boats. Not as cheap as the ones from AB, but would probably have been a better deal in the long run. Tony McCauley From bens Tue Aug 20 22:16:16 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7L2GGt14755 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 22:16:16 -0400 Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 22:16:16 -0400 Message-Id: <200208210216.g7L2GG914751@minbar.fourfold.org> From: john hess To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: Series Seats... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org me, read my previous response. But maybe better than original? On Tue, 20 Aug 2002, Peter Whitbeck wrote: > > Has anyone had their old-style series seats totally rebuilt to original > spec? > > I'm curious about the best way to go about this. I've been collecting old > seat bases and I've got two types it seems. With springs and with foam. > > I'd like to end up with two sets of seats - one original with elephant-hide > and one that is actually comfortable and that I don't mind thrashing. [ 12 additional quoted lines pruned. ] john hess, Davis, California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Dormie web pages at http://dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/startpoint.html From bens Tue Aug 20 22:46:18 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7L2kIs14907 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 22:46:18 -0400 Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 22:46:17 -0400 Message-Id: <200208210246.g7L2kHY14903@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Thomas Joyner" To: "Mendo List" Subject: Hardcastle Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org James, The Hardcastle book has fair info on cheaper/alternative dizzys. A better source would be the BOP Rover V8 email list(buick-rover-v8@autox.team.net mailing list, Send admin requests to majordomo@autox.team.net, Send list postings to buick-rover-v8@autox.team.net). If you'd like I can Xrox the pages having to do with distributors and send them to you. I would send whole book but I'm still working on the 4.2 project; hope to be done in two or three weeks (if you can wait that long, I could send then). Tom 88 RR Durango PS Did you get as far as Durango this weekend? From bens Tue Aug 20 23:11:04 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7L3B4b15041 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 23:11:04 -0400 Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 23:11:03 -0400 Message-Id: <200208210311.g7L3B3k15037@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "tim boorman" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Hollister BBQ?? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi all, Don't suppose anyone out there could give a Land Roverless English boy a lift to the Hollister BBQ this weekend could they?? (Mountain View area) Cheers - Tim _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From bens Tue Aug 20 23:20:24 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7L3KOd15119 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 23:20:24 -0400 Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 23:20:23 -0400 Message-Id: <200208210320.g7L3KNR15115@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Eric Schoenman To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Seat belts Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I think I might be able to contribute some here. I've spent a little time in one of my past careers designing seat belt anchors for cars (worked for Ford as a body structure engineer for 5 years). The safety requirement is based on FMVSS 208/210. 208 is the barrier and 210 is the seat belt anchor. The anchor needs to have an ultimate strength of between ~1800 lb and 2500 lb each (depending on whether it is the shoulder or the lap anchor (lap is higher). We usually used a 2-3mm thick "soap dish" reinforcement (basically a flange reinforcement) about 75 x 100 mm (size varied depending on how much space there was). The reinforcement was spot welded in at least 4 places. If you mount to the floor there needs to be some significant shape in the floor pan in order to prevent displacement, or needs to tie into one of the cross members. That's about as much as I can remember for now. It's been several years Eric. On Tuesday, August 20, 2002, at 03:57 PM, eric.fournier@attbi.com wrote: > > This brings up a good point. I got the 4" square 1/8" > thick backing plates, not the 2" washers. (this was for > a race car project, not a rover) But these are only as > good as the material or location where they're placed. > My helpfulness is limited as I have little Series > knowledge. Don't want to use that thin Aluminum floor... > You can look on your Disco and see that even on it's > steel floor, the rear seatbelt mounts go through the [ 1 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Tue Aug 20 23:36:50 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7L3aol15199 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 23:36:50 -0400 Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 23:36:50 -0400 Message-Id: <200208210336.g7L3aoK15195@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Hollister BBQ?? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Tim, we can give you a ride if no one else can. Also, speaking of the BBQ, anyone else planning to go? Is anyone going to post some details regarding it to Mendo? Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 From bens Wed Aug 21 00:07:31 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7L47Vc15475 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 00:07:31 -0400 Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 00:07:31 -0400 Message-Id: <200208210407.g7L47VF15471@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Shane Ballensky To: d90@yahoogroups.com Cc: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: another D90 for sale Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org white 1995 D90 soft top. OME springs and shocks(~2" lift) Safari Gard rock sliders Rockware frame slider Rockware trailing arms tuffy center console BFG 285/75/r16 mud t/a tires few off road dings only 42,000 miles. $24,500 located in Northern CA. Shane From bens Wed Aug 21 00:49:17 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7L4nHb17177 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 00:49:17 -0400 Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 00:49:17 -0400 Message-Id: <200208210449.g7L4nHP17173@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "tim boorman" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Hollister BBQ?? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org hi jason, that would be great, thank you. what time are you thinking of heading off?, where would be easyest to meet? cheers - tim >From: Jason Pipes >Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Subject: Re: Hollister BBQ?? >Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 23:36:50 -0400 > >Tim, we can give you a ride if no one else can. > >Also, speaking of the BBQ, anyone else planning to go? Is anyone going to [ 8 additional quoted lines pruned. ] _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From bens Wed Aug 21 08:30:01 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7LCU1p19101 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 08:30:01 -0400 Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 08:30:01 -0400 Message-Id: <200208211230.g7LCU1819094@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Turner, Jon [LFS]" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Hollister BBQ?? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; ] [ 22 lines filtered. ] This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. charset="iso-8859-1" Jason - Emily and I are planning on attending. If I install my new ignition amplifier then we'll be in the 110, if not the RR. Jon From bens Wed Aug 21 12:00:25 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7LG0Pn20365 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 12:00:25 -0400 Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 12:00:25 -0400 Message-Id: <200208211600.g7LG0PR20361@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Ed Sanman To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: Wrangler NW Power Products Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I've had their 160 Amp in my truck for about 18 mo's. It was a piece of cake to install, as it came with a custom 3.9 litre mounting bracket. Everything bolted right up, and mine came with the correct pulley. They're very familiar with Rovers. Of course, it didn't hurt that they're in Portland. Take a couple digital pics to send them. They'll be able to set you up with a direct replacement. Ed From bens Wed Aug 21 12:36:40 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7LGae320697 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 12:36:40 -0400 Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 12:36:40 -0400 Message-Id: <200208211636.g7LGae620693@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Biophilian@aol.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Wrangler NW Power Products Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Thanks Ed. I have an email in to them already, but haven't heard back yet...I may just get old-fashioned and call them on the phone in a couple hours. Jeez, with 160Amps I'll bet a guy could power a welder. Hmmmmmmm. Thanks again Michael and Ed. You have enlightened me--and soon my RR. Kevan Wiser From bens Wed Aug 21 13:07:51 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7LH7pr20905 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 13:07:51 -0400 Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 13:07:51 -0400 Message-Id: <200208211707.g7LH7pE20901@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Roger Sinasohn To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Hollister BBQ?? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org At 11:36 PM 8/20/02 -0400, you wrote: >Tim, we can give you a ride if no one else can. At this point, we're not 100% sure we'll be there (I'm having nightmares about NCPDP 5.1 adjudication (it's a pharmacy thing) and Rachel is fretting about the first day of school (next Wednesday)) but we would really like to make it. If we do, we'll be coming from SF, probably (hopefully!) leaving the city at about 8am (ugh) and would have a free seat. >Also, speaking of the BBQ, anyone else planning to go? Is anyone going to >post some details regarding it to Mendo? Is it a potluck or a bring-your-own-and-sit-together kind of deal? (Given the crowd, I suspect the former.) Thanks! --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger@sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/ From bens Wed Aug 21 15:31:11 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7LJVBQ21841 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 15:31:11 -0400 Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 15:31:11 -0400 Message-Id: <200208211931.g7LJVBI21837@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Tom Walsh" To: Subject: Re: Hollister BBQ?? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > > Also, speaking of the BBQ, anyone else planning to go? Is anyone going to > post some details regarding it to Mendo? > > Jason Pipes I may be coming, whats the details for food ect? TomW From bens Wed Aug 21 16:03:46 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7LK3kk22112 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 16:03:46 -0400 Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 16:03:46 -0400 Message-Id: <200208212003.g7LK3k522108@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Eric Johnson" To: Subject: Niagra Rim? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org How was the Niagra Rim trip? From bens Wed Aug 21 16:29:03 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7LKT3H22316 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 16:29:03 -0400 Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 16:29:02 -0400 Message-Id: <200208212029.g7LKT2922312@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Biophilian@aol.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Wrangler NW Power Products Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Just got off the phone with Steve at Wrangler NW and should have my brand new (NOT rebuilt) 150amp alternator by Monday. For $450 it comes with a new bracket, wiring harness, and external voltage regulator. Seems quite reasonable, given that a NEW 85 amp Magnetti Marelli runs $565 plus shipping from RN. Not sure of the price from BP--couldn't find it in my catalog (probably more reasonable than RN, though). Thanks your input Michael and Ed. Kevan From bens Wed Aug 21 16:53:00 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7LKr0T22496 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 16:53:00 -0400 Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 16:53:00 -0400 Message-Id: <200208212053.g7LKr0I22492@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Wrangler NW Power Products Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "....Seems quite reasonable..." Not to mention the bonus fact that, if it ever fails, any local auto parts store will have an alternator that will slide right into the bracket for the wrangler, since it's Delco based, right? It might be useful to have a part number for a like-framed-and-pulley'd 85-amp delco in case you had to pick one up in oh, say, Truth or Consequences New Mexico at 4 o'clock on a Friday afternoon before Labor Day weekend.....Just hypothetically speaking of course... :^) I got a new MM from Mohamed for about $460, but I thought it was 100A, not 85. Don't trust my memory though. -Dave G. PS - it's a sad state of affairs when we think near half a grand is anything close to reasonable for an alternator. Oh for the days of the '71 Firebird when they were $35 rebuilt, or $45 new. From bens Thu Aug 22 03:53:37 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7M7rbC26982 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 03:53:37 -0400 Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 03:53:36 -0400 Message-Id: <200208220753.g7M7rat26978@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "G. Mugele" To: WHHOWELL@earthlink.com, orht@msn.com, mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Stealth cops Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I'm sure that you don't need to know this -- however, see this web site.... http://www.miami.com/mld/miami/3845127.htm From bens Thu Aug 22 04:33:37 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7M8XbX27204 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 04:33:37 -0400 Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 04:33:37 -0400 Message-Id: <200208220833.g7M8XbW27200@minbar.fourfold.org> From: joe mulqueen To: mendo Subject: Re: Hollister BBQ?? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I'm currently in Redondo Beach and might make Hollister (but not yet sure). Joe Mulqueen '67 SIIA 109 SW Cotati, CA Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 23:36:50 -0400 From: Jason Pipes Subject: Re: Hollister BBQ?? ..........Also, speaking of the BBQ, anyone else planning to go? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com From bens Thu Aug 22 10:20:42 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7MEKgP28887 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 10:20:42 -0400 Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 10:20:41 -0400 Message-Id: <200208221420.g7MEKfp28883@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Stealth cops Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org This kind of reporting is what gives statistics a bad name. They quote accident numbers on the rise (3.6%/yr over a 5 year period, 97-01 inclusive) as a rationale for this type of enforcement. BS. It's highly refined revenue generation tactics pure and simple. How much did the number of vehicles traveling those construction zones rise in the same period? Or even the number of vehicle registrations? How much did the number of miles of roads identified as construction zones change over the same period? Are there design factors involved? IE - certain types of construction zone designs that are more likely to have accidents in them? And how do accident rates differ in areas with high speed enforcement vs. low? Sure is an easy place to set up a speed trap though. :^( And here's another opportunity to restate a fact. That insurance company with the cute little Gecko commercials....They buy laser detectors for cops. Not sure how many others do, but I do know I'll never do business with that one for that reason. -Dave G. From bens Thu Aug 22 12:01:15 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7MG1FP29629 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 12:01:15 -0400 Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 12:01:15 -0400 Message-Id: <200208221601.g7MG1Fd29625@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Ed Sanman To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: Wrangler NW Alternator Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "Not to mention the bonus fact that, if it ever fails, any local auto parts store will have an alternator that will slide right into the bracket for the wrangler, since it's Delco based, right?" Kevan - I'm pretty certain the alternator case they use for a Rover application is Ford rather than Delco. How about confirming that when you talk with them. Wrangler also dyno's their alternators, and guarantees the output. They're all hand wound and assembled. The alternator went in real easy. The hardest part was cleaning up all the wiring and making it look factory again. Mine is also the remote regulator, which doesn't add much complexity to the install. Remember to cut the stock "hot" wire (a lousy 10 ga.!) that goes to the battery thru the starter, and run new 2 ga. hot and ground directly from the alternator posts to the battery. The starter will still be connected with the original wire from the battery. Ed From bens Thu Aug 22 12:34:57 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7MGYvl29752 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 12:34:57 -0400 Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 12:34:57 -0400 Message-Id: <200208221634.g7MGYvG29748@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Franklin H. Yap" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Bike part needed (No LR Content) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi all, I know there are a few riders on the list so I thought I'd give it a shot. I need a Campagnolo Record OR Front Derailleur 1-3/8 Top Pull. I can buy or swap for a new in box Bottom Pull. The der was only made between 1992-1995. Any leads? Frank. From bens Thu Aug 22 13:31:48 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7MHVm130169 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 13:31:48 -0400 Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 13:31:47 -0400 Message-Id: <200208221731.g7MHVld30165@minbar.fourfold.org> From: StevHutch@aol.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Seat belt mounting. Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset="US-ASCII" ] [ 25 lines filtered. ] I decided to beef the anchor point in my 88" up front after a rollover accident . I also used 1/8" steel plate on the bottom and 1/4" on top , sandwiching the rover aluminum. Then I used the biggest grade 8 bolts and big thick fender washers that would fit the hold down brackets. But remember it can tear through in a bad wreck, but the Kangol Brit. Army aftermarket belts I have are comy and more protective than the two-point OEM ones. I am also considering rigging a leg net of sorts as my anti-burst door latches held, but the door attachment latch ripped clean through the door post aluminum, causing my leg to get pinned in the rollover. (not fun!) I think a swing away / carbiner attached nascar style foot net would prevent such a re-occurance. (thinking good thoughts ) - Steve H. > Subject: RE: Seat belts > > This brings up a good point. I got the 4" square 1/8" > thick backing plates, not the 2" washers. (this was for > a race car project, not a rover) But these are only as > good as the material or location where they're placed. > My helpfulness is limited as I have little Series > knowledge. Don't want to use that thin Aluminum floor... > You can look on your Disco and see that even on it's [ 2 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Thu Aug 22 13:53:10 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7MHrAe30314 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 13:53:10 -0400 Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 13:53:10 -0400 Message-Id: <200208221753.g7MHrAI30310@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Biophilian@aol.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Wrangler NW Power Products Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Ya know Dave, I was thinking the same thing earlier yesterday. I think I struggled to pay $38 for a rebuilt one for my '69 Road Runner.... Which coincidentally was rolled on a USFS road--wierd; I still go to the same places, but in a more appropriate vehicle! Kevan In a message dated 8/21/02 1:54:13 PM Pacific Daylight Time, david.gomes@gambrobct.com writes: << PS - it's a sad state of affairs when we think near half a grand is anything close to reasonable for an alternator. Oh for the days of the '71 Firebird when they were $35 rebuilt, or $45 new. >> From bens Thu Aug 22 16:39:44 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7MKdiP31478 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 16:39:44 -0400 Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 16:39:44 -0400 Message-Id: <200208222039.g7MKdid31474@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Biophilian@aol.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Wrangler NW Alternator Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Ed, Stan at Wrangler NW confirmed that it is indeed a Ford alternator case. Should be easy enough to find a bolt-in replacement in the U.S. when needed. The $159 rebuilt 80A Lucas I'm replacing has a Lifetime Warranty through Schucks/Kragen/Checker, but it will take them at least 6 days to get it here. No matter, it will just get shuffled around the garage until I find it a home anyway;-) Kevan Ed Sanman writes: << I'm pretty certain the alternator case they use for a Rover application is Ford rather than Delco. How about confirming that when you talk with them. Wrangler also dyno's their alternators, and guarantees the output. They're all hand wound and assembled. >> From bens Thu Aug 22 16:49:39 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7MKndD31535 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 16:49:39 -0400 Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 16:49:38 -0400 Message-Id: <200208222049.g7MKncA31531@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Franklin H. Yap" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Bike part needed (No LR Content) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org CANCEL REQUEST. -------------------------------------- Franklin H. Yap wrote: >... > >I need a Campagnolo Record OR Front Derailleur 1-3/8 Top Pull. I can >buy or swap for a new in box Bottom Pull. The der was only made between >1992-1995. > From bens Thu Aug 22 16:53:18 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7MKrI031566 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 16:53:18 -0400 Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 16:53:17 -0400 Message-Id: <200208222053.g7MKrHb31562@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Biophilian@aol.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Stealth cops Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org On last nights news they reported that the WSP did the same thing yesterday on Hwy 2, a 2-lane hiway north of Seattle. They wrote 70-sum tickets in a two hour period!!! Considering that traffic fines double in work zones, that's some bucks for the State. One might argue in court that it wasn't actually a work zone, though I doubt that would fly very well. They cited the death of a hiway contruction worker last week as a reason for "the sting." I use this hiway all the time to get to various trails, but usually just putter along since it's scenic. Kevan From bens Thu Aug 22 22:36:02 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7N2a2Z00867 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 22:36:02 -0400 Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 22:36:02 -0400 Message-Id: <200208230236.g7N2a2c00863@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Russ Wilson To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Bike part needed (No LR Content) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Hi all, > >I know there are a few riders on the list so I thought I'd give it a shot. > >I need a Campagnolo Record OR Front Derailleur 1-3/8 Top Pull. I can >buy or swap for a new in box Bottom Pull. The der was only made between >1992-1995. > >Any leads? [ 2 additional quoted lines pruned. ] The shop I work at pt time carries alot of older Campy stuff. Give them a call and if it isn't in stock I know they can get it in a week or so. 310-318-5553 Tell them that you know Russ RW -- "Your friend is the one you call to bail you out of jail. Your best friend is the one sitting next to you saying,'Dude, that was awesome!" From bens Thu Aug 22 23:49:09 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7N3n9101188 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 23:49:09 -0400 Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 23:49:09 -0400 Message-Id: <200208230349.g7N3n9701184@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Bike part needed (No LR Content) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org no...but I can let you come by and look at and maybe touch a sixties neuvo record front derailer or an origional record! ;-) Sadly I no longer have the E Garlati frame they came on from the sixties anymore. ;-( I had been looking for replacement decals and was planning on restoring the piece of art...but had to get rid of it when I was forced to sell off all in that time you all may remember.... I remember when my dad had it updated in the early eighties, and they tried to keep the "old junk" detrailers when they updated it to Sun products...I think I musyt have made quite the scene, calling the shop owner out on the theft of antiquities! ;-) Paul (really need to pull the Specialized Epic out of the garage and start riding again......I miss it, but all the clubs are full of people in shape and I'll look a fool.......waitaminnut...I drive only land-rovers...I am already a fool, huh?) ;-) > >Hi all, > > > >I know there are a few riders on the list so I thought > I'd give it a shot. > > > >I need a Campagnolo Record OR Front Derailleur 1-3/8 Top > Pull. I can > >buy or swap for a new in box Bottom Pull. The der was > only made between [ 1 additional quoted lines pruned. ] > The shop I work at pt time carries alot of older Campy > stuff. Give > them a call and if it isn't in stock I know they can get > it in a week > or so. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From bens Fri Aug 23 02:32:51 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7N6Wpo03157 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 02:32:51 -0400 Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 02:32:50 -0400 Message-Id: <200208230632.g7N6WoW03153@minbar.fourfold.org> From: SFmms@aol.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: LR financing Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset="US-ASCII" ] [ 9 lines filtered. ] Roger writes: > I financed my old Land Rover through my credit union. Me too, both the '66 SIIa and the '74 SIII. A lot of the credit unions have dealt with classic car enthusiasts and are willing to work with you on it. Karen Sindir From bens Fri Aug 23 11:26:06 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7NFQ6K05852 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 11:26:06 -0400 Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 11:26:06 -0400 Message-Id: <200208231526.g7NFQ6205848@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Taylor Clark Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Land Rover article Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hey everyone- I write for an online publication and just finished an article on Land Rovers in Northern Wisconsin, feel free to take a look and read it! Thought that it would be of interest to some!! http://www.onmilwaukee.com/buzz/articles/landrover.html Taylor Pipes ************************************ Taylor Pipes tpipes@uwm.edu ************** Student, University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee Campus Solutions Center, Help Desk Consultant at UWM Journalism Major, Features Writer for the UWM Post. ************************************ From bens Fri Aug 23 12:01:57 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7NG1vG06164 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 12:01:57 -0400 Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 12:01:57 -0400 Message-Id: <200208231601.g7NG1vg06160@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Land Rover article Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Nice job, Taylor. Carrying the good word out to a wider audience. Good on ya. -Dave G. From bens Fri Aug 23 12:06:04 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7NG64306214 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 12:06:04 -0400 Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 12:06:04 -0400 Message-Id: <200208231606.g7NG64s06210@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: Water-tight Relays Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Does anyone know of a good source to purchase the Bosch water-resistant relays and basses that are used in the Painless Wiring headlight relay kit? I really like these relays and they've performed well for me in the past, so I was thinking I'd like to use them for other things like auxiliary lights, air compressor, power inverter, etc. but I don't want to cannibalize Painless kits just to get the relays. Anybody have a good source? (I'm off on a mission....) -Dave G. From bens Fri Aug 23 12:48:26 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7NGmQ806423 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 12:48:26 -0400 Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 12:48:26 -0400 Message-Id: <200208231648.g7NGmQC06419@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: I survived another road trip... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Folks, Went to Vegas as a continuation of "Operation Poppyfield", and had an interesting time...got to meet Michael Slade for the first time, and had a blast with his kids, though one of them seemed a bit wired on caffene. My last day there (yesterday) was spent: 1. recovering from food poisioning (went out the night before at the suggestion of a non-present girlfriend that had to cancel plans to join me due to a family emergency) 2. decided to leave early, and get back here early: made it as far as Henderson, where I blew a bypass hose to the plenum chamber! Truck nearly overheated, but I pulled into the parking lot at the Fiesta Casino, and diagnosed the problem. 3. was told by casino security that the nearest auto parts store was a 2 1/2 mile walk! Made the walk, got 6 feet of 3/8ths hose and a gallon of antifreeze (I keep a gallon of antifreeze/water mix on board at all times), then make the 2 1/2 mile walk back to the casino...BTW - did I mention that a board in Henderson read 107 F at 1130 in the morning??? 4. before beginning the walk, I discover that Sprint had decided that, while I paid my bill on 13Aug, that I had already used the 3500 minutes that I am allowed per month - and turned my phone off without warning - or even receiving a statement in the mail! (I'm home now) Thus, my walk began... 5. fixed the Rangie - but it appears that the rest of the radiator/heater hoses don't look too happy, so I decide to head over to the Land Rover dealer right there in Henderson (used to see them off U.S.95 at the auto mall back in 2000), and get replacement hoses to carry with me on the way home - just in case, and to install when my Op is completed. 6. look in phonebook, and it turns out that the Land Rover dealer has moved from Henderson, to the west side of Vegas proper! (about 20-25 miles in the opposite direction) Head over, get 5 out of 6 hoses, look at the Series I and the late IIA they have there, along with the new Rangie, and I'm on my way at 1445hrs. 7. Decide to take I-15 to Nipton Rd. exit, head east to Cima Rd., turn south, head through Cima and Kelso (via the Kelbaker Rd.), and into I-40 into Ludlow, then onto old Route 66, into Barstow. Make it to Newberry Springs, and my L.F. tire runs flat!!! (I haven't had that happen since Jan 1995!) Luckily, I have a spare and tools. The tire seems to be suffering from tread seperation! (a 3/4 in. rip between two of the lugs, and nothing puncturing it!) BTW - the area of mojave Rd at Kelbaker looks good for a run - as does the area around Kelso Dunes... ...Made it home at 2130hrs last night...now, it's off to Sprint to hav words with them, then to WallyMart to have them decide to give me a new tire. Make sure you have good hoses, and good shoes...not expensive shoes, but good ones. Charles - my feet are killing me... ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Fri Aug 23 13:07:39 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7NH7d106585 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 13:07:39 -0400 Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 13:07:39 -0400 Message-Id: <200208231707.g7NH7de06581@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Rose, Randy" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: I survived another road trip... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 72 lines filtered. ] Glad you made it through OK. Of course, trips like yours are best experienced from the armchair ;>) Randy From bens Fri Aug 23 13:31:14 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7NHVEk06746 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 13:31:14 -0400 Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 13:31:13 -0400 Message-Id: <200208231731.g7NHVDA06742@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: I survived another road trip... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Glad everything is turning out okay. I forgot which tire you were running.... Was it a Goodyear? How were pressures in the other 3? Also let us know how well Walmart stands behind the tires. I know they're not old, they were brand new when you visited here. -Dave G. From bens Fri Aug 23 14:33:48 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7NIXmt07148 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 14:33:48 -0400 Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 14:33:48 -0400 Message-Id: <200208231833.g7NIXmZ07143@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: I survived another road trip... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hahaha! I'm going to be laughing about this the rest of the day..."What's the Minimum Safe Distance for driving with Charles?"! Charles On Fri, 23 Aug 2002 13:07:39 -0400 "Rose, Randy" writes: > > Glad you made it through OK. Of course, trips like yours are best > experienced from the armchair ;>) ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Fri Aug 23 14:33:48 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7NIXmJ07144 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 14:33:48 -0400 Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 14:33:48 -0400 Message-Id: <200208231833.g7NIXmH07137@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: I survived another road trip... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Yes - Goodyear Trackers. They're still in like-new condition. I was just reading their (WallyMart) warranty, and it's possible that they'll give me a new tire for free - but I think that depends on what mood their manager is in. Pressure??? Heck, I have 11 cars! I can't remember that, except to say that I KNOW it's where it's supposed to be. (which is why this hasn't happened to me in nearly 8 years) My major concern is Sprint: I paid a bill a week ago Tuesday - just before I headed to Visalia (wanted to be sure that my phone worked, since they sent me a warning of almost no minutes left). It can't be because I went over daytime minutes, because on my last bill, they simply billed me extra, and did not turn the phone off. Their computer sez that my last payment was on 25Jul - but that is the statement date of my last bill! (I physically paid it on 13Aug) They don't realize that they may have awaken a sleeping giant - though according to Clark Howard (www.clarkhoward.com), they may not really care...seems that the less you pay for a plan, the less they care about you. Gee, Pacific Bell and MCI didn't care about me no matter what I paid - and I dropped them like a bad habit! (I now pay Pacific Bell ONLY for having a line in the house: all my calls go to Matrix Telecom, and my bill went from $200-400 a month, to $80.00 a month on average) I'm glad MCI went belly-up for how they treated me, and I hope the same happens to Pacific Bell! (you've probably guessed that after working so many years in Customer service that I may be very critical in that field...) Guess I'll be visiting Verizon today... Charles On Fri, 23 Aug 2002 13:31:13 -0400 "Gomes, David" writes: > > Glad everything is turning out okay. > > I forgot which tire you were running.... Was it a Goodyear? How > were > pressures in the other 3? Also let us know how well Walmart stands > behind > the tires. I know they're not old, they were brand new when you > visited [ 3 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Fri Aug 23 14:48:43 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7NImhX07366 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 14:48:43 -0400 Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 14:48:43 -0400 Message-Id: <200208231848.g7NImh407362@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Tom Walsh" To: Subject: Fw: National OHV Appreciation Day Sept. 28 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; ] [ 76 lines filtered. ] charset="iso-8859-1" ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Del Albright=20 To: Del Albright=20 Sent: Friday, August 23, 2002 7:55 AM Subject: National OHV Appreciation Day Sept. 28 To BRC, This event has taken on like hot cakes. It's being spread all over the = Internet. Let your clubs and groups know about it, please. It's the = idea of a few folks who were just chatting on the Net, and in a few = weeks has taken hold. Let's see if we can't help folks get on board. = The person who came up with it is Robin Fickbohm, BOD for the=20 newly formed Trail Krawlers 4x4 based out of Manhattan/Witchita Kansas = and the current V.P. for the Flatlanders Jeep Club also based in = Manhattan Ks. Del *************** We've got a nationwide campaign going (sort of late notice, but it's = rolling now) to have a National OHV Appreciation Day (all types of = motorized and mechanized rigs). NOHVAD is Sept. 28,2002. Please visit my web site page to get you started, but we're asking = anyone and everyone who can do something, to do it. Clean up a trail. = Put in a sign. Fix picnic tables in the town park. Conduct a parade. It = doesn't matter what you do; as long as we get a lot of clubs/groups = doing something. Next year this event will be much bigger. But we want to kick it off = this year with a good stab at it. We want to bing attention to the good = side of mechanized and motorized recreationists, so plan on inviting the = press. Invite a few of your elected reps to go along. Do a press = release afterwards (accompanied by a few good pictures). Visit this site for more: www.delalbright.com/nohvad.htm Thanks for your support, Del Del Albright Trail Boss, Friends of the Rubicon (FOTR) Moderator, FOTR Email List BlueRibbon Ambassador Del's Sponsors: BlueRibbon Coalition; ARB 4x4 Accessories; Answer = Racing/ProTaper; Motion Pro; QuadBoss; Cycle Country; ITP; and MSR. FOTR Web Site: www.friendsoftherubicon.com or: www.delalbright.com/rubicon.htm (209) 286-1009 Mailto:jeepndel@goldrush.com From bens Fri Aug 23 15:16:13 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7NJGD907591 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 15:16:13 -0400 Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 15:16:13 -0400 Message-Id: <200208231916.g7NJGDO07587@minbar.fourfold.org> From: John Young To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: Stealth cops Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Dave wrote: > This kind of reporting is what gives statistics a bad name. They quote > accident numbers on the rise (3.6%/yr over a 5 year period, 97-01 inclusive) > as a rationale for this type of enforcement. BS. It's highly refined > revenue generation tactics pure and simple. [...further detail followed...] Good point, Dave. One would think that more effort might go in to driving training and more difficult licensing requirements. My understanding is that in Germany, for instance, obtaining a driver's license is much more difficult than it is here, from a testing standpoint. (Surely our DMV's have them beat from an inefficiency standpoint.) Consider just how easy it is to obtain a driver's license in the U.S.... ...and the general aptitude of who is legally allowed to drive over-sized vehicles with poor suspensions on our freeways (visualise careening Ford Explorers). Would you (rhetorically) trust the same people following you on the freeway to carry a loaded shotgun behind you while hiking on a hunting trip? It's not that different, in a way. Driver and vehicle capability variation is wide. Of course, stricter driver's license testing (how about slalom courses, time-trials, and attention and reaction-speed tests?) would be a revenue drain, not a revenue generator... -JY From bens Fri Aug 23 15:43:34 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7NJhYX07757 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 15:43:34 -0400 Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 15:43:33 -0400 Message-Id: <200208231943.g7NJhXk07753@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Stealth cops Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "....Would you (rhetorically) trust the same people following you on the freeway to carry a loaded shotgun behind you while hiking on a hunting trip?..." Man that's a great analogy. Couple it with Keith's (I think) great sobering thoughts about motorcycle commuting and it REALLY gives you something to think about. "...license testing...would be a revenue drain, not a revenue generator..." Interesting thought. Wouldn't it be great if some of these departments had to be zero sum cash flows? Kind of like some of the parks and things that charge a fee, but all the fees stay local to manage the park? Imagine if all revenue from penal or corrective programs had to be spent on preventative programs. We could have free motorcycle safety courses, free driver training, free Bridgestone Ice Driving School.... :^))) -Dave G. From bens Fri Aug 23 17:18:11 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7NLIBR09108 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 17:18:11 -0400 Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 17:18:11 -0400 Message-Id: <200208232118.g7NLIBj09104@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: offical word on Hollister? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Just wondering what the offical word on Hollister is this weekend. Trying to decide if I should drive the 100 miles to attend. So far only read two postings on it. Is it still on? Potluck or bring your own lunch? Any comments on the event would be appreciated. Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 From bens Fri Aug 23 18:19:59 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7NMJxx09594 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 18:19:59 -0400 Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 18:19:59 -0400 Message-Id: <200208232219.g7NMJx409590@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Sighting from last weekend... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Forgot to mention last weekend, Sunday late afternoon coming home from a sailing trip with Casey McMullen I spotted a red Series 88 with canvas soft top being towed north on Hwy 80 near Berkley/Emeryville area. Anyone on the list? Only caught a brief glimpse of it. Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 From bens Fri Aug 23 18:21:37 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7NMLb809619 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 18:21:37 -0400 Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 18:21:37 -0400 Message-Id: <200208232221.g7NMLbH09615@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Roger Sinasohn To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: offical word on Hollister? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org At 05:18 PM 8/23/02 -0400, you wrote: >Just wondering what the offical word on Hollister is this weekend. Trying to >decide if I should drive the 100 miles to attend. So far only read two >postings on it. Is it still on? Potluck or bring your own lunch? I'm really hoping to make it, but it depends on how ready Rachel is for school next week. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger@sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/ From bens Fri Aug 23 19:08:56 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7NN8ub09820 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 19:08:56 -0400 Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 19:08:56 -0400 Message-Id: <200208232308.g7NN8uf09816@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: The proper temperature Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Well, I'll now be able to keep my Guinness at the proper temperature while cruising the deserts of Utah. I finally broke down and bought one of those Engel fridges from John at Expedition Exchange. http://www.expeditionexchange.com/engel/ The MT 45 should be here next week and after a bit of fab work for a slick fold-away mounting, will take pride of place atop the passenger side wheel well in the rear loadspace of the G. Also stopped and picked up steel for the roof rack this afternoon. Can't believe I'll have a full, sturdy roof rack for $42 worth of steel and an afternoon of fabricating. There is some tidy profit built into the $1200 mass produced racks! And the $550 I spent on that Lincoln SP125 a couple years ago has paid off over and over. -Dave G. From bens Fri Aug 23 19:30:12 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7NNUCF09941 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 19:30:12 -0400 Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 19:30:12 -0400 Message-Id: <200208232330.g7NNUC009937@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Nancy Hart To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: offical word on Hollister? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi- I'm a newbie here with a 97 blue d90. I'm planning on heading down to this from Danville. -nancy nancy e hart nehjones@pacbell.net On Friday, August 23, 2002, at 03:21 PM, Roger Sinasohn wrote: > > At 05:18 PM 8/23/02 -0400, you wrote: >> Just wondering what the offical word on Hollister is this weekend. >> Trying to >> decide if I should drive the 100 miles to attend. So far only read two >> postings on it. Is it still on? Potluck or bring your own lunch? > > I'm really hoping to make it, but it depends on how ready Rachel is for > school next week. [ 10 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Fri Aug 23 20:04:55 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7O04tw10093 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 20:04:55 -0400 Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 20:04:55 -0400 Message-Id: <200208240004.g7O04tn10089@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: I survived another day! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org More on my tire problem: Went to WallyMart today, and ploitely told them that I had a tire for them to look at, as I wasn't sure that it could be fixed. The manager asked me of I had a nail stuck in it - I told them that was the strange part, because there was nothing stuck in it, and the leak was in one of the grooves of the tire, and that it appeared to be a rip just over 1/2 of an inch long. The manager looked at it, and said "The tire doesn't show any signs of abuse and appears to have otherwise normal wear, but I don't like this, so we're going to replace it for you." YES!!!!!!!!!! I stopped to see Steve @ British Car Service, and got a replacement lug wrench, and a passengers' side seatbelt buckle (Janet will be very pleased to hear this!), then I went to visit the IDIOTS at Sprint...... I walked to the front counter, and told the person there that I may be there to yell, because I paid my cellphone bill 10 days ago - and it's now turned off! He checked my account (after trying to refer me to the red phone to speak to somebody elswhere), and he confirms that I did pay my bill, and that I even had a credit - but that I have gone over my allotted anytime minutes. I pointed out that this is strange, because I went over my minutes last month and service was never interrupted. I then get referred to the red phones........ After being on hold for 20 minutes, I finally get a live person, who explains that service is ONLY cut when your bill for service reaches $125.00 - which mine is currently at $125.60. I then point out that as of yesterday morning at 0945hrs, my bill was $94.99 - and my service had already been interrupted - how in the blue hell can my bill be any higher now? - and the ONLY feebile excuse that she could render, was that the system had not been updated yet! ...and these people claim that their customer service is outstanding! She couldn't even B.S. me and get away with it, nor could she give me a straight answer! She proceeded to tell me that if I paid $15.00-20.00 now, service would be restored - I answered that I would not pay ANYTHING until I see a new statement (which, by the way, does not even get printed until the 25th!), and when I do give them any money, it will be for the last time, as I am now looking for BETTER service, and that I can NEVER go back to them if this is how they treat customers, and that I can never reccomend them to anybody! And so, I am now seriously looking into satellite phones... Charles ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Fri Aug 23 22:23:58 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7O2Nwq10632 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 22:23:58 -0400 Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 22:23:57 -0400 Message-Id: <200208240223.g7O2NvS10628@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Biophilian@aol.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Solihull Society Moab Rally 2002 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Anyone headed to Moab for this? Sure would be a good shakedown run for that new fridge full of Guiness, Dave--and close to home for you! I may make it yet; Andrea gave me the "How long WILL you be gone?," today!!! That's a good sign, either that, or she thinks I won't get the RR fixed in time ;-) http://www.solihullsociety.org/04_rally_info/rally.htm Kevan Wiser From bens Sat Aug 24 01:19:43 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7O5JhE12935 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 01:19:43 -0400 Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 01:19:42 -0400 Message-Id: <200208240519.g7O5Jgs12931@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jeremy Bartlett To: Mendo List Subject: NCRC Hollister Meeting Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Just a reminder to folks planning on attending the NCRC event down at Hollister on Sunday the 25th... yes it's still on. See you at about 10:30 at the picnic area near the obstacle course. Bring food for the picnic/potluck lunch. Plan on a two hour drive from the central Bay Area. Gas is available in San Juan Batista (or Hollister). Be aware that Land Rover San Jose is holding a dealer event that day so there will be Land Rovers parked at the schoolhouse near the entry. Just ignore them (you know what I mean : ) ), and go straight up to the obstacle course picnic site. I'll try to get some signs posted but grap a map from the Ranger station when you pay your enterance fee. See you there. Jeremy From bens Sat Aug 24 01:32:01 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7O5W1u12999 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 01:32:01 -0400 Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 01:32:00 -0400 Message-Id: <200208240532.g7O5W0j12995@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jeremy Bartlett To: Mendo List Subject: Revisiting the Red Rovers Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Sorry if this is covering old ground but I've been off the list for 3 weeks while in the UK. A few months ago there was discussion of some red Land Rovers spotted driving around the country that no one seemed to know much about. I saw them headed south on 101 (including a 110, Freelander and new? RR). I think I know what they may have been. While on an interesting drive around Land Rover's test track at Gaydon in the UK a couple of weeks ago I saw rows of similarly painted and equipped vehicles (40?-70?..heavily biased to Defender) in a side area. Apparently these are the vehicles to be used in the "G4" competition which is Land Rovers effort at reviving a Camel Trophy style competition. You can find out a bit about it on the LR UK web site where there are some photos of the vehicles. I'd be willing to place a small wager that what we saw were some prerun vehicles hence the lack of information. Sorry I can't provide any photos ... no cameras were allowed. ...and as to that Ford "Maverick" on the track.... Jeremy From bens Sat Aug 24 11:34:58 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7OFYwv16071 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 11:34:58 -0400 Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 11:34:58 -0400 Message-Id: <200208241534.g7OFYwd16067@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Fil F." To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: NCRC Hollister Meeting Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org i'll be there Fil _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From bens Sat Aug 24 12:21:10 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7OGLAk16347 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 12:21:10 -0400 Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 12:21:10 -0400 Message-Id: <200208241621.g7OGLAL16343@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Polla Slade" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: I survived another road trip... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Charles wrote... >Went to Vegas as a continuation of "Operation Poppyfield", and had an >interesting time...got to meet Michael Slade for the first time, and had >a blast with his kids, though one of them seemed a bit wired on caffene. In my defense... My son Connor was wired on Slurpee sugar, and I think was feeling a little jealous with me spending time with Charles! Man, it's too bad I was out of town! I have a full set of spare hoses AND gallons of anti-freeze in the now-non-operational SWB RR. We had a grand total of 4 white Classic RR's in the parking lot of the condo where we're staying in Vegas. it was pretty funny actually. Oh, not to mention the pristine mid-60's Unimog in the same parking lot. And, in Charles tradition, I have a 'sighting' of my own. The day before Charles got to town I saw a full-size Dodge Ram Charger with Mexico plates. Last time I saw one of those was in Tijuhana (sp?) photographing the line of vehicles at the border crossing. Sure wish that we could get all those random cool vehicles. Speaking of cool vehicles, Charles and I saw a Yugo that was fully functioning and driving on the streets of Vegas. Charles had some tall tales of it's legendary AC system. I'll believe it when I see it! ;) Glad you got back OK Charles. Come by and visit anytime. You still have yet to see my daughter throw a tantrum! Later, Michael _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From bens Sat Aug 24 13:30:23 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7OHUNS16670 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 13:30:23 -0400 Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 13:30:23 -0400 Message-Id: <200208241730.g7OHUNJ16666@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: I survived another road trip... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Oh - it wasn't that bad... On Sat, 24 Aug 2002 12:21:10 -0400 "Polla Slade" writes: > > In my defense... > > My son Connor was wired on Slurpee sugar, and I think was feeling a > little > jealous with me spending time with Charles! > And, in Charles tradition, I have a 'sighting' of my own. > > The day before Charles got to town I saw a full-size Dodge Ram > Charger with > Mexico plates. > Speaking of cool vehicles, Charles and I saw a Yugo that was fully > functioning and driving on the streets of Vegas. Charles had some > tall > tales of it's legendary AC system. I'll believe it when I see it! > ;) That reminds me: when I was finally leaving town, heading down I-15 I glanced to my right, and I saw my old Volvo 770 tractor with my old 48' trailer, buzzing along a frontage road! It was my former boss' nephew driving it - I tried to catch up to him, but I lost him while waiting for a light to change. (he must have had a run to SLC, and a last-minute delivery in Vegas on the way home) > Glad you got back OK Charles. Come by and visit anytime. You still > have > yet to see my daughter throw a tantrum! I have a feeling that Abigail would throw a tantrum to remember once she's started... Reminds me of the one I posted yesterday about the Minimum Safe Distance! :) Charles ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Sat Aug 24 13:36:28 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7OHaSq16713 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 13:36:28 -0400 Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 13:36:28 -0400 Message-Id: <200208241736.g7OHaSh16709@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "tim boorman" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: BBQ??????????????? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Jason, Is it still ok to get a lift from you to the Hollister BBQ? if not is there anyone that could give me a lift?????? would really like to come to the BBQ this weekend and check out some more trucks!! cheers all - Land roverless english boy!! (Tim!!) _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From bens Sat Aug 24 13:50:56 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7OHou316794 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 13:50:56 -0400 Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 13:50:55 -0400 Message-Id: <200208241750.g7OHotw16790@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Roger Sinasohn To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: NCRC Hollister Meeting Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org At 01:19 AM 8/24/02 -0400, you wrote: >Just a reminder to folks planning on attending the NCRC event down at >Hollister on Sunday the 25th... yes it's still on. See you at about >10:30 at the picnic area near the obstacle course. Bring food for the >picnic/potluck lunch. Plan on a two hour drive from the central Bay If one were to show up late, (say, 11:30-12n,) would one still be able to participate, or would it be too difficult to catch up? (I've never been to Hollister.) We'd *really* love to come, but with a 4-month-old and school starting next week, we may not be able to get there as early as we'd like. Thanks! --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger@sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/ From bens Sat Aug 24 13:57:15 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7OHvFv16837 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 13:57:15 -0400 Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 13:57:14 -0400 Message-Id: <200208241757.g7OHvEi16833@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: BBQ??????????????? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org tim, i emailed you about this yesterday, i'd be more than happy to stop by and pick you up, you just need to let me know where you live and what time you can be ready to go. i would like to pick you up between 9 and 9:30am. my home # is 415-341-8868. talk to you soon! Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 From bens Sat Aug 24 15:02:48 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7OJ2mG17167 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 15:02:48 -0400 Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 15:02:48 -0400 Message-Id: <200208241902.g7OJ2mo17163@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Scott Rachfal To: Subject: Re: BBQ??????????????? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hey Pipes what time you cruzin by LG? I may go tomorrow if my brakes get done today. scott On 8/24/02 10:36 AM, "tim boorman" wrote: > > Jason, > > Is it still ok to get a lift from you to the Hollister BBQ? > > if not is there anyone that could give me a lift?????? would really like to > come to the BBQ this weekend and check out some more trucks!! > > cheers all - Land roverless english boy!! (Tim!!) [ 7 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Sat Aug 24 15:20:55 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7OJKtd17267 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 15:20:55 -0400 Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 15:20:55 -0400 Message-Id: <200208241920.g7OJKtO17263@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: BBQ??????????????? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I imagine we'll be coming by LG around 9:30-10am or so. Want to meet up and drive down? How long does it take to get to Hollister from LG? Maybe I should leave sooner? Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 From bens Sat Aug 24 15:38:29 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7OJcTk17341 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 15:38:29 -0400 Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 15:38:29 -0400 Message-Id: <200208241938.g7OJcT717337@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Scott Rachfal To: Subject: Re: BBQ??????????????? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Give it an hour call me later so I can tell you if my brakes got done 408-858-9303 I have to spilt for bbq now Scott On 8/24/02 12:20 PM, "Jason Pipes" wrote: > > I imagine we'll be coming by LG around 9:30-10am or so. Want to meet up and > drive down? How long does it take to get to Hollister from LG? Maybe I > should leave sooner? > > Jason Pipes > jpipes@feldgrau.com > www.feldgrau.com > [ 2 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Sat Aug 24 15:50:08 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7OJo8q17451 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 15:50:08 -0400 Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 15:50:08 -0400 Message-Id: <200208241950.g7OJo8M17447@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "tim boorman" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: BBQ??????????????? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org hi Jason, sorry must have missed that e-mail (i'm not too good with this computer stuff yet!!) i'll call you later today - can be ready when ever suits you. I live over in Mountain view : 123 Flynn Ave Unit C mountain View its just off Moffet blvd what do i need to bring? just food and beer??!! Cheers - Tim >From: Jason Pipes >Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Subject: Re: BBQ??????????????? >Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 13:57:14 -0400 > >tim, i emailed you about this yesterday, i'd be more than happy to stop by >and pick you up, you just need to let me know where you live and what time >you can be ready to go. i would like to pick you up between 9 and 9:30am. [ 10 additional quoted lines pruned. ] _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From bens Sat Aug 24 18:31:32 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7OMVWm18241 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 18:31:32 -0400 Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 18:31:31 -0400 Message-Id: <200208242231.g7OMVVQ18237@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gerry Elam" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: "Mojave Road Guide" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org One thing about previous versions of the MRG... there were pictures of several series Land Rovers in it. So, naturally I was looking for those pics in the new version that just arrived today. At first, I was mildly disappointed since I hadn't spotted any in the first moment or so. Then, I started from the front and on the dedication page: "dedicated to Alan H. Siebert 1941 - 1997 Author of To Hell on Wheels Long-time friend Progenitor of laminers and flashes of green light" He's standing next to a nice Series IIA 109 with the license "1 Rino" and the same LR is in at least one other picture. Guess he and Dennis were pretty good frinds. Nice touch to the book which is much improved over the last release. Cheers, Gerry _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From bens Sun Aug 25 03:29:26 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7P7TQo21864 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 03:29:26 -0400 Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 03:29:25 -0400 Message-Id: <200208250729.g7P7TPA21860@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "mpatrykus" To: Subject: Sprint PCS Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Charles, I've also had some really lousy customer service from Sprint. Once I was out of the country and missed a billing cycle. They turned off my phone in about 24 hours. No notification. When I called to ask what was up they said they had sent me a text message about it. I explained that I never subscribed to text messaging. "Well, we sent you one." I explained how silly that was. If I do not subscribe to text messaging, why would I check for a text message?? She never did seem to grasp that one. Another time I paid my bill over the phone and she would not give me a confirmation number- which they are supposed to do. I told her that I needed one- in case their system did not log the payment, and my phone was turned off. She said "your payment will be on your next statement" which of course would not arrive for several weeks. I explained how that would not be of much help if my phone got turned off before then. She just got snippy after that- "Well, I don't have one, so you you'll have to wait for your bill."- so I asked for a supervisor. So she says, "Well, I hope you are patient because you're gonna have to wait a long time" then she put me on eternal hold. It also bugs me that if someone leaves you a voice mail, they count that in your alotted minutes, even if your phone is turned off. My Sprint contract is up in January and I will not be renewing. They have losuy customer service reps and no clue how to problem solve. They are one step above working the drive thru at Taco Bell. I don't know who I'll use next. My friends like Verizon, and I understand Cingular has some good deals. In fact I hear they are now rolling your minutes over if you don't use them up each month. Anybody have a favorite cell provider? Pros/cons? The wireless industry reminds me of the airlines. They know they've got your money so what do they care if you're happy? Mo ------------------------------------------- Introducing NetZero Long Distance Unlimited Long Distance only $29.95/ month! Sign Up Today! www.netzerolongdistance.com From bens Sun Aug 25 03:36:34 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7P7aYi21910 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 03:36:34 -0400 Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 03:36:33 -0400 Message-Id: <200208250736.g7P7aX221906@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Franklin H. Yap" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Air Show Santa Rosa (No LR Content) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org May be of interest to some on the list. Pacific Coast Air Museum Air Show is on this weekend in Santa Rosa. Not very big but it is local. Travis - the best - and Stockton were cancelled this year. From bens Sun Aug 25 03:38:51 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7P7cpa21929 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 03:38:51 -0400 Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 03:38:51 -0400 Message-Id: <200208250738.g7P7cpt21925@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "mpatrykus" To: Subject: driver training Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >>My understanding is that in Germany, for instance, obtaining a driver's license is much more difficult than it is here, from a testing standpoint.<< Last I heard, it cost about $2300 for a German citizen to obtain a license. It is a lengthy process. Also, their penalties for moving violations are quite stiff. Here in the US I doubt whether any lawmaker would want to champion any legislation that makes it harder to get a license. Too bad- there are some real pinheads out there who shouldn't be driving a lawn mower, much less a car. Mo ------------------------------------------- Introducing NetZero Long Distance Unlimited Long Distance only $29.95/ month! Sign Up Today! www.netzerolongdistance.com From bens Sun Aug 25 03:54:06 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7P7s6u22005 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 03:54:06 -0400 Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 03:54:06 -0400 Message-Id: <200208250754.g7P7s6Q22001@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Tom Walsh" To: Subject: Re: BBQ???????????????, the long and short of it Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I have been fighting a leak in my gas tank recently, When I had my flowmaster muffler put on 6 months ago.. the muffler shop welded in the muffler such that the rear tailpipe section was to close to the gas tank, and it cooked the heat shield and melted a hole in the gas tank!!!! ( and I'm an expectant father!!! )..... So I proceeded to patch the tank with various plastic epoxies and plastic tank filler/fiberglass ect... all was well for two months.... I went to Maui ( last fling before changing diapers :) and didn't use the rig for a while.... ( during the last heat wave ) ... well the heat must have caused the gas to expand and crack the patch (??)... I got home and she was almost on empty ( through evaporation ).... Since then I have been trying to re-patch it... but I still have a pinhole leak some where.... I have a buddy ( not on this list ) who is about to send me another used tank/pump.... but.. unless I patch the pinhole tomorrow morning I won't make hollister Sunday.... I thought I found it earlier today and fixed it.. but I just checked and its still dripping... If I can fix it in the AM I'll be there... else it will have to wait till pismo. TomW, all gassed up and no place to go :( From bens Sun Aug 25 04:03:49 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7P83na22116 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 04:03:49 -0400 Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 04:03:49 -0400 Message-Id: <200208250803.g7P83nx22112@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Tom Walsh" To: Subject: Re: Sprint PCS Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > I don't know who I'll use next. My friends like Verizon, and I understand > Cingular has some good deals. In fact I hear they are now rolling your > minutes over if you don't use them up each month. > Anybody have a favorite cell provider? Pros/cons? > The wireless industry reminds me of the airlines. They know they've got your > money so what do they care if you're happy? > > Mo Considering I wrote the basic incremental code downloader on cell phones for the most recent 3G Sprint release via a 3rd party vendor...I still use use ATT... ( although 3g PCS is cool ) we have not had any big problems with them... my wife and I have a shared plan with free long distance... we call the inlaws on the cell and save big bucks! I have traveled all over ( west of the Mississippi (SP? :) ) to go 4-wheelin with excelent coverage and good fall back from 2g digital to analogue. TomW, ymmv > > ------------------------------------------- > Introducing NetZero Long Distance > Unlimited Long Distance only $29.95/ month! > Sign Up Today! www.netzerolongdistance.com > From bens Sun Aug 25 04:12:28 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7P8CSL22163 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 04:12:28 -0400 Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 04:12:28 -0400 Message-Id: <200208250812.g7P8CSo22159@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Tom Walsh" To: Subject: Re: Air Show Santa Rosa (No LR Content) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Yup, Paul is up ther helping his Dad with a display at their hanger at the airport! TomW ----- Original Message ----- From: "Franklin H. Yap" To: Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2002 12:36 AM Subject: Air Show Santa Rosa (No LR Content) > > May be of interest to some on the list. Pacific Coast Air Museum Air > Show is on this weekend in Santa Rosa. Not very big but it is local. > Travis - the best - and Stockton were cancelled this year. > > > From bens Sun Aug 25 04:13:29 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7P8DTC22179 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 04:13:29 -0400 Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 04:13:29 -0400 Message-Id: <200208250813.g7P8DTo22175@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Tom Walsh" To: Subject: Re: Air Show Santa Rosa (No LR Content) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org err, if the tank is still a leakin thats a possibillity tommorow! TomW ----- Original Message ----- From: "Franklin H. Yap" To: Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2002 12:36 AM Subject: Air Show Santa Rosa (No LR Content) > > May be of interest to some on the list. Pacific Coast Air Museum Air > Show is on this weekend in Santa Rosa. Not very big but it is local. > Travis - the best - and Stockton were cancelled this year. > > > From bens Sun Aug 25 10:36:58 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7PEaw923775 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 10:36:58 -0400 Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 10:36:57 -0400 Message-Id: <200208251436.g7PEavS23771@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Turner, Jon [LFS]" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Sprint PCS Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; ] [ 23 lines filtered. ] This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. charset="iso-8859-1" I use AT&T Wireless. Not the cheapest, but customer service has always been excellent and I get service in a lot of places that the other networks don't reach (like the western side of Puerto Rico). Jon From bens Sun Aug 25 10:46:47 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7PEkl423825 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 10:46:47 -0400 Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 10:46:46 -0400 Message-Id: <200208251446.g7PEkkm23821@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Michael Samuels" To: Subject: suscribe Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; ] [ 13 lines filtered. ] charset="iso-8859-1" From bens Sun Aug 25 11:25:17 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7PFPHD24012 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 11:25:17 -0400 Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 11:25:16 -0400 Message-Id: <200208251525.g7PFPGN24001@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: driver training Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org They also make you wait for another 6 months/a year if you fail ANY PART of the test! Charles On Sun, 25 Aug 2002 03:38:51 -0400 "mpatrykus" writes: > > >>My understanding is that in Germany, for instance, obtaining a > driver's > license is much more difficult than it is here, from a testing > standpoint.<< > > Last I heard, it cost about $2300 for a German citizen to obtain a > license. > It is a lengthy process. Also, their penalties for moving violations [ 15 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Sun Aug 25 11:25:17 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7PFPHn24014 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 11:25:17 -0400 Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 11:25:16 -0400 Message-Id: <200208251525.g7PFPGa24002@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Air Show Santa Rosa (No LR Content) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Edwards AFB is ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Current plans are for a one-day show, due to a conference that's being held there (Air Force Flight Test Center's Industry Outlook Conference (Test and Evaluation Summit, on 24 & 25 Oct)), and the planned day is 26 October. This year is the annyversary of the beginnings of manned spaceflight, and It's said that surviving Mercury 7and Apollo astronauts will be on hand. (Funny...I recently picked up a copy of "The Right Stuff" on DVD...) They're billing it as "...the best air show EVER to be put on at Edwards..." Those that have never attended this show should REALLY plan on attending it, as it's always been a good one. (Mr. Slade?...) BTW - Lockheed and Boeing both have assembly plants nearby where they work on really cool & secret stuff, and you never, ever, know what's going to fly over your head at this show: last time I was there, they had a F22 on display, and another one flew over a few times! They also had a suprise visit by a couple of B-2's!...(it really was a suprise, too - they had a flyby of only a single plane listed in the program) BE THERE!!!!!!! (I will) Charles On Sun, 25 Aug 2002 03:36:33 -0400 "Franklin H. Yap" writes: > > May be of interest to some on the list. Pacific Coast Air Museum > Air > Show is on this weekend in Santa Rosa. Not very big but it is > local. > Travis - the best - and Stockton were cancelled this year. > > ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Sun Aug 25 11:25:17 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7PFPHG24013 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 11:25:17 -0400 Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 11:25:16 -0400 Message-Id: <200208251525.g7PFPGk24000@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Sprint PCS Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org So far, I've looked at Verizon and Cingular, and I think after reading the fine print, Sprint is STILL a better choice!!!!! (I'll have to re-read everything, because I don't believe it myself). I'm still going to look closer at Cingular and T-Mobile, and I guess I'll add AT$T to the list of possibles...maybe I'll just say to heck with it, and finally get a HAM license... Only problem I have, is that I don't think that anbody out there is re-chipping QualComm 1960's for use with other providers, so I'll have to ditch the best damn cellphone that I've ever had...(sob) I even went so far as to email people at QC the other day - maybe... I've even gone so far as to look at the QualComm Globalstars (VERY NICE - but still a bit pricey), which in a few years I just may end up with one... In the meantime, I'm bitching to the BBB about Sprint - adding my name to their long list. I forgot to mention a few other things: 1: they usually send me a text message that sez if I'm about to run out of minutes - this time, they didn't. (and it's a moot point after they simply added the extra minutes to my bill last month) 2: Their automated system gives you the option of paying the bill via plastic while in the field...I tried this, but while going through the steps, it lets you know that if the billing address of the card and the phone are different, then they won't accept it!!!!! (I'm moving in a few more months - my VISA card is already being billed in Visalia) Definately no gravity there (they suck!). Charles . ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Sun Aug 25 11:54:20 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7PFsKm24146 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 11:54:20 -0400 Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 11:54:20 -0400 Message-Id: <200208251554.g7PFsKu24142@minbar.fourfold.org> From: john hess To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Sprint PCS/ other questions Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org OK cell phone folks, here are some q's. We are going to get Alex a phone. Surewest has a deal $33 a month for unlimited talking, but only in 530, 916 and 209 area codes. That would be fine for my son. I talked to a place in west Sac and I didn't get the feeling that coverage in Davis was great. And if coverage was bad, and I terminate early, it's $240. Verizon had an ad in the paper today, they offer a 15 day trial, you can terminate without fees. The M-life ad in the Bee today said 1000 anytime minutes per month for $40. No mention of trial period. Should I expect a trial period? Or am I being unreasonable? The reason I am cautious is a woman in my lab has a cell that wouldn't in the recent past work from here home. I guess they put up a new box, because it's better now, but I have this notion that cell phone coverage should be all of Davis, not pockets. Are different phones going to be better for making connections, or are you paying for battery life or lighter weight of coolness when buying expensive phones? cheers John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Land Rover Dormobile web pages: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby" 1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" 1999 Bianchi Milano, 2001 Bianchi Pista, 2000 Merlin Extra Fat 2002 Meridian Attache Softride Tandem From bens Sun Aug 25 13:28:51 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7PHSpP24551 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 13:28:51 -0400 Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 13:28:51 -0400 Message-Id: <200208251728.g7PHSpG24547@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Eric Schoenman To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Sprint PCS Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/enriched; ] [ 130 lines filtered. ] --Apple-Mail-1-449646386 charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed MO, I just recently worked for a company that did wireless market research and quality of service testing. Verizon and ATTWS have the best covereage on the west coast. Verizon even has most of the Sierras covered which is way more than any other carrier. I used to have ATT, but I had a querky customer service problem with them (they were charging me raoming fees from Tahoe because the cell site that picked me up was in Nevada but I was 3 miles in california, and I had a cal only plan) and switched to Verizon. Verizon has been great. I pay my bill late every month and they haven't even charged me a late fee (some thing that ATT always did). A couple of things to consider about switching services now. 1) You will have to buy a new phone as most phones are not cross carrier compatible (except for some GSM phones and even those need to be "unlocked") 2) ATT is switching to GSM in the bay area in september. GSM is much better then their current TDMA system (higher security, better voice quality, more features). One issue is the availability of coverage in remote areas as I don't believe that ATT is offering a GSM/Analog phone. Eric On Sunday, August 25, 2002, at 12:29 AM, mpatrykus wrote: > > Charles, I've also had some really lousy customer service from > Sprint. Once I was out of the country and missed a billing cycle. > They turned off my phone in about 24 hours. No notification. > When I called to ask what was up they said they had sent me a text > message about it. I explained that I never subscribed to text messaging. > "Well, we sent you one." I explained how silly that was. If I do not > subscribe to text messaging, why would I check for a text message?? She > never did seem to grasp that one. [ 42 additional quoted lines pruned. ] Eric --Apple-Mail-1-449646386 From bens Sun Aug 25 13:40:58 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7PHewV24629 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 13:40:58 -0400 Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 13:40:57 -0400 Message-Id: <200208251740.g7PHeva24625@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Eric Schoenman To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Sprint PCS/ other questions Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/enriched; ] [ 98 lines filtered. ] --Apple-Mail-2-450373624 charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed John, Verizon and Cingular are the only carriers I know of with a "trial period" Voicestream "t-mobile" might too as they are new in some areas (bay area). Best thing to do is ask people you know with cell phones and find out how their coverage is in you area. There is a reason why some carriers charge less then others. If you phone only works in half the place you want it to, it's not worth as much. The most important consideration in buying a cell phone is what do you want if for and where are you using it. If in the city, most carriers are good and get the cheapest one. If you want to use it in a rural area, get one that has a reasonable analog raoming provision. The analog network is pretty extensive on both the A and B side carriers (Verizon and ATT). Some Sprint phones have analog capability and will allow roaming on to the verizon and att network (for a $$). Cingular and Nextel don't roam on to analog. Hope that helps. Eric On Sunday, August 25, 2002, at 08:54 AM, john hess wrote: > > OK cell phone folks, here are some q's. > > We are going to get Alex a phone. > > Surewest has a deal $33 a month for unlimited talking, but only in > 530, 916 and 209 area codes. That would be fine for my son. I > talked to a place in west Sac and I didn't get the feeling that > coverage in Davis was great. And if coverage was bad, and I [ 29 additional quoted lines pruned. ] Eric --Apple-Mail-2-450373624 From bens Sun Aug 25 13:45:32 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7PHjWc24671 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 13:45:32 -0400 Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 13:45:32 -0400 Message-Id: <200208251745.g7PHjWF24667@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Sprint PCS/ other questions Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org John, Since I've been "dealing" with this problem, I think I can help point you in a direction here: As Commercial Truck Driver (though I'm not working at present - but I still travel around alot) coverage area is everything. One problem I have always had with Sprint, is that the area that they advertise isn't exactly what they really provide. (ie: they claim to cover all of New Mexico - fact is, if you're not in/near Albuquerque or Santa Fe, forget it) You want a provider that has excellent - if not acceptable - coverage area. Long Distance service either discounted or free: One thing to remember, is that if a provider owns its own circuits, then it doesn't cost any more wether you call your house, or call Alaska! Free long distance is a definate plus. Roaming: I have ONLY been on roaming with Sprint one time that I can recall, and that was in the mountains along I-70, about 5-10 miles east of I-15, in Utah. Cell providers usually charge you for roaming, Sprint is free. (I think) My girlfriend has a plan with Verizon in Visalia: once she's out of Tulare, they place her on Roaming, and I believe that in their brochure, they hit you for .69 cents PER MINUTE for roaming! Doesn't matter how many minutes you have on their plan - if you're on roaming, they charge you for it. Anytime minutes/night & weekend minutes: the times that these go into effect vary by provider: Sprint and Verizon usually start their night time minutes at 2100hrs (9:00 P.M.!), and at least in the case of Verizon, if you place a call at 8:55 and it drags waaaaaaaaaaaay past 9:00, you STILL GET HIT WITH ANYTIME MINUTES FOR THE ENTIRE CALL, AND IT DOES NOT TRANSFER INTO NIGHT AND WEEKEND MINUTES!!!!!!!!!! Call clarity: This can very not only by provider, but also by phone. Newer phones SHOULD have clarity that is equal (at the very least) to my QualComm 1960 - of which clarity was/is state of the art when compared to other phones. Most cellphones operate in the 800Mhz range, while the QC1960 operates in the 1900Mhz range! Now, some providers are even charging you extra if you make a call to another cellphone!!! This is definately something you want to avoid if keeping touch with kids via cellphones is the priority. While I place good customer service at the top of the list, I NEED coverage, discounted roaming/long distance (being an ex-airline employee, most of my friends are in different area codes), and lotsa minutes. Problem with all providers nowadays seems to be giving you next to no anytime (read daytime) minutes, and tons of night time/weekend minutes that you'll never use. The reason I use a cellphone, is so that I don't have to stop somewhere and use a calling card and a landline. So, the less the charges, the more likely I am to keep a cellphone. There are a few new services out there, and one you may want to look at is Cricket: they have decent plans - but are geared towards kids with phones, because the call plans are kept within local areas. (I looked at them, but they wouldn't work for me) But - I don't know if they cover Davis. (they don't cover much, really...) You m a y even want to consider a Nextel plan: they have Motorola phones that have the walkie-talkie feature on them. Not sure if they charge for that or not, though. All of the above is why I'm looking at satellite phones: the QualComm Globalstar is a tri-mode phone, that when in the city will operate as an analog/digital cellphone, and in the boonies will operate as a satellite phone. It has built-in GPS(!!!), and can quite literally, be used damn near anywhere. However, the $550.00 pricetag is still a bit of a turn-off for me. It is a considerably larger phone than the 1960 that I have, Who knows...unless I find a smokin' deal, I may be stuck with Sprint... Charles On Sun, 25 Aug 2002 11:54:20 -0400 john hess writes: > > OK cell phone folks, here are some q's. > > We are going to get Alex a phone. > > Surewest has a deal $33 a month for unlimited talking, but only in > 530, 916 and 209 area codes. That would be fine for my son. I > talked to a place in west Sac and I didn't get the feeling that > coverage in Davis was great. And if coverage was bad, and I [ 31 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Sun Aug 25 13:50:05 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7PHo5h24693 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 13:50:05 -0400 Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 13:50:05 -0400 Message-Id: <200208251750.g7PHo5A24689@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Peter Ogilvie To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Sprint PCS/ other questions Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org You pays your money and you TAKE BIG CHANCES in coverage with cell phones. Cell phone coverage is patchy. Some phone providers work in areas that others don't and some phones are better than others at maintaining the connection. My son lived in an apartment in Dublin that backed up to a hill. Didn't find out, till after he moved in, that he couldn't get coverage at his apartment. He switched companies and voila, his phone worked at his apartment. Unfortunately, the new service had a lot of other places that it didn't work where the old service did. Believe he is on his fourth cell provider in two years. Hasn't bitched about the current one so it may be working well for him. His Fiance just started at Davis law school, they are living in Walnut Creek and he is working in Milpitas so probably could give you some idea of what the coverage is like in the East Bay area. Can ask him if you want the feed back. If it was me, I'd insist on a test period to be sure that the phone will work where you need it to work. A broad area of coverage may be something to think about, also, if your son backpacks or otherwise gets off the beaten track. Just had a tourist rescued because of a cell phone after a boating mishap. Before his phone was swamped, managed to alert the Coast Guard and give his position. Took four days to find him but they at least knew to begin looking for him and where to start. Found him over a 100 miles away from his last reported position, btw. As far as the phone, you pay for less. The smaller it is, the more that it seems to cost and not necessarily the better that it works. Know that my son had very poor results with that dinky Nokia phone of about two years ago vintage. Small and elegant with no external antenna but wouldn't hold a signal for garbage. Nokia's seem to have the most creative marketers and have captured the youth market with all sorts of cases, lights, beeps and whistles that have noting to do with function. Among the local providers here in Kona, Motorola's basic phones seem to have the best rep. for robustness. One thing that you get in more expensive phones is vibrator ring. Handy to have if you want to know that you are being called but don't want to disturb the world around you. Another thing to think about is insurance. Cell phones are easy to set down and leave laying about. They seem to sprout wings. Between the two of them, my son and his girl have lost two phones so insurance has saved them a lot of money. Aloha Peter O. --- john hess wrote: > > OK cell phone folks, here are some q's. > > We are going to get Alex a phone. > > Surewest has a deal $33 a month for unlimited > talking, but only in > 530, 916 and 209 area codes. That would be fine for > my son. I [ 31 additional quoted lines pruned. ] __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From bens Sun Aug 25 14:24:17 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7PIOHO24838 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 14:24:17 -0400 Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 14:24:17 -0400 Message-Id: <200208251824.g7PIOH624834@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Keith Shukait To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Event Decal Package Installed Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org All, After two weeks in the body shop getting the wing dent fixed and decal package put on she's home. Wow it really turned out great! Santa Clara Body Shop did a great gob on the body work and Pro Trim installed the decal package. We couldn't be happier. Here's some really bad shots, with a lot of glare, sorry I post better one's after the Giants game. http://homepage.mac.com/shukait/PhotoAlbum8.html Cheers, Keith & Pam Shukait Northern California Rover Club 1997 Land Rover Discovery I XD "YLLWJKT" 1969 Land Rover Series IIA ExMoD 109 Regular "Millie" 1967 Land Rover Series IIA NADA 6 Cylinder Dormobile "Indiana" From bens Sun Aug 25 17:49:49 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7PLnnM25750 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 17:49:49 -0400 Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 17:49:49 -0400 Message-Id: <200208252149.g7PLnnR25746@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Granville Pool" To: "Mendo Recce Mailing List" Subject: Another Jerry Can Source Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I just got a catalogue in the mail, from AutoSport, that contains little of interest to Land-Rover owners. However, it did show red, powder-coated NATO-style jerry cans, in 10-liter and 20-liter sizes, as well as a pour spout with three sizes of nozzles. There is no mention in the catalogue or on the website at http://www.autosportcatalog.com/ of any restriction in shipping to California. I didn't try to order anything because I don't need any more. The prices were not cheap, at $42.95 for the 20-liter can, $32.95 for the 10-liter can, and $9.95 for the spout. BTW, the illustrations of the cans, in both the catalogue and on-line, show the front corner of a dark green Series II/IIA Land-Rover in the background. Granny From bens Sun Aug 25 18:04:59 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7PM4xr25830 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 18:04:59 -0400 Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 18:04:59 -0400 Message-Id: <200208252204.g7PM4xP25826@minbar.fourfold.org> From: joe mulqueen To: mendo Subject: re. Sprint PCS Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Cingular does the same. I've had Cing (formerly Pac bell Wireless) for 3 yrs. Signal coverage drops quickly if you stray from the beaten path. I also get dropped and busy signals when using during peak times and over long distances (SF to LA). NOTE: There is a pending anticipated shake out /consolidation of the wireless providers. Read the finance reports and review the latest deals. They might not get any better. Joe Mulqueen '67 SIIA 109 SW Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 03:29:25 -0400 From: "mpatrykus" Subject: Sprint PCS ........ It also bugs me that if someone leaves you a voice mail, they count that in your alotted minutes, even if your phone is turned off........Anybody have a favorite cell provider? Pros/cons? The wireless industry reminds me of.......... Mo __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From bens Sun Aug 25 22:26:27 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7Q2QRx26905 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 22:26:27 -0400 Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 22:26:26 -0400 Message-Id: <200208260226.g7Q2QQU26901@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Franklin H. Yap" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Sprint PCS/ other questions Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Someone I know said he just got a great deal from Deutche Telecom. Apparently they are trying to break into the US market - I didn't even know they were in the US. I don't know any other details but thought I'd mention it as something else to check out. Frank -------------------------------- john hess wrote: >OK cell phone folks, here are some q's. > From bens Sun Aug 25 22:32:49 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7Q2Wnn26944 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 22:32:49 -0400 Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 22:32:49 -0400 Message-Id: <200208260232.g7Q2WnZ26940@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Franklin H. Yap" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Air Show Santa Rosa (No LR Content) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org If I had known Paul was there I'd have stopped by to say hello. My son had us spend a bit of time in line waiting to sit in the F-14. My son asked the docent if he had lost any planes - I thought it was a silly question. Turns out he lost 9 planes, 7 F-4s and 2-F14s. The F-4s were all lost in Vietnam. Frank ------------------------------------- Tom Walsh wrote: >Yup, Paul is up ther helping his Dad with a display at their hanger at the >airport! > From bens Sun Aug 25 23:31:37 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7Q3Vb627192 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 23:31:37 -0400 Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 23:31:36 -0400 Message-Id: <200208260331.g7Q3Vab27188@minbar.fourfold.org> From: john hess To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Sprint PCS/ other questions Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org T-mobil in the paper today. 1000 minutes anytime with unlimited weekend, for $40 month. No unlimited nights, the night minutes are included in the anytime. That's one catch I saw. Don't know about coverage or GSM or probably other things. cheers, >Someone I know said he just got a great deal from Deutche Telecom. > Apparently they are trying to break into the US market - I didn't even >know they were in the US. I don't know any other details but thought >I'd mention it as something else to check out. > >Frank > >-------------------------------- > [ 5 additional quoted lines pruned. ] John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Land Rover Dormobile web pages: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby" 1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" 1999 Bianchi Milano, 2001 Bianchi Pista, 2000 Merlin Extra Fat 2002 Meridian Attache Softride Tandem From bens Sun Aug 25 23:31:38 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7Q3Vcu27200 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 23:31:38 -0400 Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 23:31:38 -0400 Message-Id: <200208260331.g7Q3VcK27196@minbar.fourfold.org> From: john hess To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Stubby Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hiya Folks, Turns out that a new driveshaft with new U joints does wonders. Stops the annoying vibration and bad grinding noises. I've driven Stubby a good amount this weekend and the engine is great, the tranny is great, the parabolics seem good so life is good. Alex will probably get a learners permit this week. Look out. John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Land Rover Dormobile web pages: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby" 1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" 1999 Bianchi Milano, 2001 Bianchi Pista, 2000 Merlin Extra Fat 2002 Meridian Attache Softride Tandem From bens Sun Aug 25 23:53:04 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7Q3r4q27338 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 23:53:04 -0400 Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 23:53:04 -0400 Message-Id: <200208260353.g7Q3r4E27334@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Polla Slade" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Stubby Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hey John, You don't have to answer this publicly if you don't want to, but I was just wondering if your son has been 'practicing' prior to getting his learners permit. I have been thinking of just when is going to be a good age to start letting my kids actually drive (out in the desert of course). Just king of thinking ahead, and wondering what your thoughts were..... Later, Michael PS I have been driving since I was about 11-12, go karts, 3-wheelers, tractors, trucks, etc.... _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From bens Mon Aug 26 00:56:11 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7Q4uB228980 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 00:56:11 -0400 Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 00:56:11 -0400 Message-Id: <200208260456.g7Q4uBs28976@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kevin Kelly" To: "Mendo List" Subject: Cell Phones Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org John wrote: >Verizon had an ad in the paper today, they offer a 15 >day trial, you can terminate without fees. I got a GTE account after I moved back up here in 1994 and about 2000 GTE became Verizon. I have had great service all these years without a single billing problem and I have never been anywhere when a person with another cell phone provider had service and I didn't. There have been dozens of times when I was the only one who had a phone that worked (Cedar Camp, Rubicon Trail, Lake Berryessa) when others with AT&T, Cingular and Sprint did not have a signal at all. Kevin P.S. Verizon has a program where they give most subscribers (on all but the base accounts) a free new phone every two years... From bens Mon Aug 26 01:06:30 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7Q56Ub29035 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 01:06:30 -0400 Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 01:06:30 -0400 Message-Id: <200208260506.g7Q56UP29031@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Sprint PCS/ other questions Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Yes!!!!!! They bought out a company back east, that was operating a multi-band service, and operated on the same bandwidths as the European phones do (from what I recall)...the deal went down a few years ago - but I can't for the life of me remember who it was that they bought, and I hadn't heard a thing about it since. The plan was to have a true "worldphone" service here in the U.S., that would allow you to dial direct to any country from your cellphone, without even using a calling card. If they are fair to consumers, the rates for such service would scare their competitors into making better deals! Charles On Sun, 25 Aug 2002 22:26:26 -0400 "Franklin H. Yap" writes: > > Someone I know said he just got a great deal from Deutche Telecom. > Apparently they are trying to break into the US market - I didn't > even > know they were in the US. I don't know any other details but > thought > I'd mention it as something else to check out. > > Frank [ 11 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Mon Aug 26 01:06:32 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7Q56Wh29049 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 01:06:32 -0400 Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 01:06:31 -0400 Message-Id: <200208260506.g7Q56VK29045@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: cellphones/ other questions Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I can burn up 1000 minutes pretty fast: if it were 2000 I'd seriously consider it. (I presently have something like 300 anytime - they're saying I went 200 over that!) Forgot to mention that if they make you sign up for a contract - read the fineprint first, and if they make a killer deal, go for it: they're locked into it just as you are. My first account with Sprint was 3000 total, split in half for anytime/nights & weekends, and I never burned up any extra! Too bad they don't have that plan anymore (not for $50.00, they don't!) Charles On Sun, 25 Aug 2002 23:31:36 -0400 john hess writes: > > T-mobil in the paper today. 1000 minutes anytime with unlimited > weekend, for $40 month. No unlimited nights, the night minutes are > included in the anytime. That's one catch I saw. Don't know about > coverage or GSM or probably other things. > > cheers, > > [ 25 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Mon Aug 26 01:27:36 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7Q5Rax29165 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 01:27:36 -0400 Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 01:27:35 -0400 Message-Id: <200208260527.g7Q5RZL29161@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Stirling Anderson To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Cc: lro@koan.team.net Subject: It's for sale... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I hate to do this, I've been trying not to do it for a week or two, but I really have to, so I'm offering this to the lists first. The African is for sale. We're moving, and need to get rid of alot of things, including some debt... I've put pretty much all the information here: http://www.theafrican.8k.com/custom2.html I don't really have a set price I'm looking for, but I'm taking offers. Thanks, Stirling __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From bens Mon Aug 26 01:29:49 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7Q5TnJ29184 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 01:29:49 -0400 Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 01:29:49 -0400 Message-Id: <200208260529.g7Q5TnR29180@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Nick Baggarly" To: Subject: Re: Cell Phones Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Kevin wrote: > I got a GTE account after I moved back up here in 1994 and about 2000 GTE > became Verizon. I have had great service all these years without a single > billing problem I'm pretty happy with Verizon too. The plan we're on costs $59 and includes 1000 anytime minutes, 4000 night and weekend. Night starts at 8:pm. They have a mobile to mobile deal too (currently a promotion--you can add it for free). If you call another verizon customer the call doesn't go against your anytime minutes. Kevin probably has a tri-band phone. Verizon still supports analog. Works in Yosemite, Mojave, even Baja--60 miles south of Ensenada. Nick From bens Mon Aug 26 01:31:40 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7Q5VeE29215 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 01:31:40 -0400 Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 01:31:40 -0400 Message-Id: <200208260531.g7Q5VeS29211@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Granville Pool" To: Subject: Learning to drive, was Re: Stubby Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Mike, > I have been thinking of just when is going to be a good age to start letting > my kids actually drive (out in the desert of course). I started letting Bennett drive one of my old Land-Rovers, on my family's ranch, when we were out camping there, as soon as he could barely reach the pedals and see over the steering wheel. It was fairly exciting at first but he became an excellent driver (better than I). Granny From bens Mon Aug 26 02:03:58 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7Q63wQ29352 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 02:03:58 -0400 Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 02:03:58 -0400 Message-Id: <200208260603.g7Q63wp29348@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Air Show Santa Rosa (No LR Content........ok....maybe a teansy bit......) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- "Franklin H. Yap" wrote: > > If I had known Paul was there I'd have stopped by to say > hello. Yeah! I was there......am pretty tires as I was prepping for the show since 8:00 thursday morn....last minute things here and there...You couldn't miss Dragonfly Aviation....I put up thirty foot bamboo poles at the four corners of the canopy with american flag wind-socks! ;-) This was the best show there yet! Hopefully next year it will be even better. so many beautifull planes.....and the sound.... ;-) Too bad they had that STUPID rocket car there(smoke and thunder.......big woop!...waste of a good engine.....but anyway!) > My son had us spend a bit of time in line waiting to sit > in the F-14. You must have just missed Joe and Patti Ernest in line at all teh planes with Mack! He also wanted to climb in EVERY cockpit! ;-) I may have passed you as I was walking around too.....kept bumping to old friends I hadn't seen for fifteen years... My old flight instructor was trying to convince me to buy her TR-4 that I have been drooling over for twenty years as she picket up a honda 2000 as her midlife crisis car.......oh so tempting, but would need to sell Elgie to afford it, and do not want to EVER let go of either Rover I have now......EVER... ...ok, gratuitous Land-rover content! The Light Brigade did a wonderfull job of carting all the stuff for our display(thirty foot bamboo poles don't look so funny on my roof-rack....not many little japanese SUV's can say that, huh?) ;-) off to bed...this whole air-show thing tires you out Paul (Dragonfly Aviation facilities director)whatever that means! ;-) used to be called "Manuel Labor" when I did this stuff for Dad back in the olden days......at least now the employees do what I say when I need them to as I am the old guy unlike twenty years ago! ;-) > My son asked the docent if he had lost any planes - I > thought it was a > silly question. Turns out he lost 9 planes, 7 F-4s and > 2-F14s. The > F-4s were all lost in Vietnam. > > Frank > > ------------------------------------- [ 9 additional quoted lines pruned. ] __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From bens Mon Aug 26 02:10:07 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7Q6A7H29393 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 02:10:07 -0400 Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 02:10:07 -0400 Message-Id: <200208260610.g7Q6A7q29389@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Cell Phones Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I aggree with Kevin and Nick! have been with GTE/Verizon since '94 too. I have never had any complaints. they let me pay every other month w/o cutting me off, etc... I too am on the 1000 anytime with 4000 night/week-end deal....thought it was 55 bucks, but don't recall, there are the added things like insurance, taxes etc so it really is more.... I say go with V! ;-) Paul --- Nick Baggarly wrote: > > Kevin wrote: > > I got a GTE account after I moved back up here in 1994 > and about 2000 GTE > > became Verizon. I have had great service all these > years without a single > > billing problem > > [ 17 additional quoted lines pruned. ] __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From bens Mon Aug 26 02:41:45 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7Q6fjc29516 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 02:41:45 -0400 Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 02:41:44 -0400 Message-Id: <200208260641.g7Q6fiY29512@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Eric Schoenman To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Sprint PCS/ other questions Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/enriched; ] [ 91 lines filtered. ] --Apple-Mail-1-497294346 charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed I'm not sure what the deal was in the buy out, but DT bought out part or most of Voicestream (hence the T-mobile in this country). The world phone deal was that Motorola came out with a tri band GSM phone (the P7389) several years ago. It operates in the 800Mhz, and 1900Mhz range in the US (the only frequencies currently authorized in the US), and on the 1800 Mhz band in the rest of the world (it doesn't operate on the 900 Mhz range which is also used in Europe), all using the same GSM technology. Now there are a plethora of world GSM phones (Nokia, motorola, and ericcsson all have a few). I know several people that jumped on the T-mobile system in the last few weeks and they seem to be pleased. Though they have the same coverage issues in the bay area as Cingular since they are using their network until they get their own built out. Not sure what the time frame of that is. On Sunday, August 25, 2002, at 10:06 PM, Charles R Irvin wrote: > > Yes!!!!!! > > They bought out a company back east, that was operating a multi-band > service, and operated on the same bandwidths as the European phones do > (from what I recall)...the deal went down a few years ago - but I can't > for the life of me remember who it was that they bought, and I hadn't > heard a thing about it since. 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    From bens Mon Aug 26 04:41:48 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7Q8fmP30202 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 04:41:48 -0400 Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 04:41:47 -0400 Message-Id: <200208260841.g7Q8flE30198@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Sprint PCS/ other questions Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I do not know. One thing I DO know - avoid Qwest like the plague!!!!!!! A friend of mine in Phoenix used them up until a year ago - when they handed her a $50,000 phone bill for one month!!!!!!!!! When she regained consciousness, she called them, and the bill was immediately dropped to $2200 (their mistake), but while the $2200 charges were also conjured up, she and the hubby were stuck paying for it anyway. Except for poor accounting on Qwests' part, I recall they had decent service. Charles On Mon, 26 Aug 2002 02:41:44 -0400 Eric Schoenman writes: > >> I'm not sure what the deal was in the buy out, but DT bought out > part or > most of Voicestream (hence the T-mobile in this country). The world > > phone deal was that Motorola came out with a tri band GSM phone (the > > P7389) several years ago. It operates in the 800Mhz, and 1900Mhz > range [ 15 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Mon Aug 26 10:05:46 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7QE5km31663 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 10:05:46 -0400 Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 10:05:46 -0400 Message-Id: <200208261405.g7QE5k331659@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Help a friend Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I received this today. I thought I saw his subscription message, but didn't see him follow up with a post of the question. If anyone can help, I'll forward suggestions along, or you can e-mail directly to: Michael Samuels [msamuelsmd@earthlink.net] -Dave G. David I am Michael www.oldrover.com , I met you at mendo several yrs ago in a 101 vampire, now sold. anyway my 60 109 five door is in fl with a friend. she says it locks up in reverse after a few feet?? do you know what this is, how do I subscribe to mendo again, thanks Michael From bens Mon Aug 26 10:16:53 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7QEGrL31736 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 10:16:53 -0400 Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 10:16:53 -0400 Message-Id: <200208261416.g7QEGrp31732@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Solihull Society Moab Rally 2002 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Well, the 109 won't be road worthy before then, and current plan is to be leaving my house in Bailey on the 15th on a trip across CO and UT to Great Basin National Park. We should be camped at Great Basin by Tuesday morning. If anyone wants to break up the return trip, stop by and find us. I bet it's the only red and silver 280GE in the park....since as far as I can tell, it's the only one on the planet. :^) If I didn't have friends coming along who already had plane tickets, I'd leave a day early and stop in Moab. As it is, Newspaper Rock is as close as we plan to come to Moab. But who knows. Maybe I should call Fred and see if he wants to try and change his plane tix.... -Dave G. From bens Mon Aug 26 10:32:55 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7QEWtH31810 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 10:32:55 -0400 Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 10:32:55 -0400 Message-Id: <200208261432.g7QEWtr31806@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Polla Slade" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: Solihull Society Moab Rally 2002 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Dave, Have you been to Great Basin Ntl. Park before? I have been thinking of heading up there as well, but probably not in time to meet you guys. I have several good books on some of the neater parts of the park. Later, Michael _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From bens Mon Aug 26 10:46:43 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7QEkha31905 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 10:46:43 -0400 Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 10:46:43 -0400 Message-Id: <200208261446.g7QEkhd31901@minbar.fourfold.org> From: john hess To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Stubby Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hiya Michael, I would have let Alex do some learning, but last year was a bad time. He didn't do homework and school progress reports and grades showed this to be true. So he ended up grounded most of the time and we were at an impasse; he was stubborn and not doing homework and we were stubborn trying to bribe him to do it. I had thought that the desire to get a drivers license would entice him to actually do work and get good grades. However, he was too smart for that; last year was too early. He took drivers ed, the classroom class but needed to finish that before getting a learners permit. And his diabetes has slowed that process down. We should get the medical go ahead this week, but then he needs 2 hours behind the wheel with a driving instructor to be certified(?) before he can get the permit. FYI, Our deal is that if his grades are not B average, he's biking. And we worked out a way for him to "work" off insurance and such: he volunteer works at the Davis Food Co-Op. 4 hours a week gets us 16% off and we apply the credit toward insurance (and paying back his bank account which went below the minimum last year). He did drive Stubby on forest service roads before, but that was actually 3-4 years ago. He has driven off road things in the Oregon dunes. That's all. He's now 6ft and growing, I think Stubby's going to be cramped for him. cheers, >Hey John, > >You don't have to answer this publicly if you don't want to, but I was just >wondering if your son has been 'practicing' prior to getting his learners >permit. > >I have been thinking of just when is going to be a good age to start letting >my kids actually drive (out in the desert of course). > [ 13 additional quoted lines pruned. ] John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Land Rover Dormobile web pages: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby" 1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" 1999 Bianchi Milano, 2001 Bianchi Pista, 2000 Merlin Extra Fat 2002 Meridian Attache Softride Tandem From bens Mon Aug 26 11:04:23 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7QF4NN32013 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 11:04:23 -0400 Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 11:04:23 -0400 Message-Id: <200208261504.g7QF4NE32009@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: GBNP Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "....been to Great Basin Ntl. Park before?...." Drove by a few times on US 50, then year before last Cheryl and I took her parents out there for a long weekend. YES WE BROUGHT THEM BACK TOO! There's a little write up at: http://www.d-90.com/~daveg/gbnp/main.html It really is a uniquely beautiful place. We're going to be there a week this time, and are looking forward to exploring some other areas around that eastern Nevada area. If you promise not to laugh, you can look at the site I created to keep others coming along informed of the general plans: http://www.clubgwagen.com/DT2002/ -Dave G. From bens Mon Aug 26 11:35:18 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7QFZIq32191 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 11:35:18 -0400 Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 11:35:18 -0400 Message-Id: <200208261535.g7QFZIl32187@minbar.fourfold.org> From: StevHutch@aol.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: German Driving tests Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset="US-ASCII" ] [ 16 lines filtered. ] Yes, I hear they take it very, very seriously. Got thsaese details from a traffic school (ticket) instructor here that was comparing it to how easy it is to get a license here. There a week long training course..i.e.- 40 hours I think, the final exam has a parts of the vehicle identification test (was iz dat...pointing at air cleaner assembly..where is oil added, where is brake master cylinder, etc.) Miss more than 10% , you must take the course over. But then there is a multi-hour driving test, including autobahn and an hour long night driving test...don't pass these take the whole course over. Tough! Personally I think the young , and older drivers should have to take a computer simulator test at the DMV, in addition to the normal stuff. > >>My understanding is that in Germany, for instance, obtaining a driver's > license is much more difficult than it is here, from a testing standpoint.<< > > Last I heard, it cost about $2300 for a German citizen to obtain a license. > From bens Mon Aug 26 12:58:49 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7QGwna32618 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 12:58:49 -0400 Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 12:58:49 -0400 Message-Id: <200208261658.g7QGwnw32614@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Nancy Hart To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: NCRC Hollister Meeting Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Cheers to Jeremy for putting on a great clinic. Thanks! And I enjoyed meeting some nice folks from the club. I'm looking forward to doing more with the club soon. -nancy nancy e hart nancyehart@mac.com '97 blued90 #0047 On Friday, August 23, 2002, at 10:19 PM, Jeremy Bartlett wrote: > > Just a reminder to folks planning on attending the NCRC event down at > Hollister on Sunday the 25th... yes it's still on. See you at about > 10:30 at the picnic area near the obstacle course. Bring food for the > picnic/potluck lunch. Plan on a two hour drive from the central Bay > Area. Gas is available in San Juan Batista (or Hollister). > > Be aware that Land Rover San Jose is holding a dealer event that day so > there will be Land Rovers parked at the schoolhouse near the entry. [ 9 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Mon Aug 26 13:37:59 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7QHbxu00401 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 13:37:59 -0400 Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 13:37:59 -0400 Message-Id: <200208261737.g7QHbxU00397@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Turner, Jon [LFS]" To: "Mendo Recce (E-mail)" Subject: Thanks Jeremy! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; ] [ 25 lines filtered. ] This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. charset="iso-8859-1" Thanks to Jeremy for running a great intro day at Hollister. A number of new and potential NCRC members turned up, and we all enjoyed some good discussion. As a bonus those of us who stayed to the end got some good close up looks at the law enforcement DII, complete with lights, sirens, and shotgun mount! Jon From bens Mon Aug 26 14:12:19 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7QICJK00601 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 14:12:19 -0400 Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 14:12:19 -0400 Message-Id: <200208261812.g7QICJX00597@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Polla Slade" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: GBNP Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Dave, the site looks great! If you're going through Hanksville you have to stop by the rock shop on main street and see Ernest Shirley. If he's still alive, he's got some Brontosaurus thigh bones in the shed in back he might show you if you appear the least interested in dino. bones. Buy at least one caprolyte! Michael PS Wish I could join you! We close on our house on the 16th, I guess I should be here! _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From bens Mon Aug 26 14:57:16 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7QIvGR00972 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 14:57:16 -0400 Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 14:57:16 -0400 Message-Id: <200208261857.g7QIvGO00968@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: GBNP Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "...If you're going through Hanksville you have to stop by the rock shop..." Not sure if we'll do Hanksville or not. I've plotted an alternate route. Through the Henry Mtns and across Capitol Reef from 276/95 interchange to the south end of the Otter Creek Reservoir. Whether or not we go that way, or stick to pavement and do the 95 to 24 route (and Hanksville) will depend on how we'r fixed for time. If I can get Fred to come up a day early, and we can drive to Moab on Saturday, setting out from there on Sunday, then I'd say we'd definitely have time to do the off-highway route, and probably get to camp somewhere in the Henrys that night, vs the plan of camping at Natural Bridges if we set out from Bailey on Sun AM. We'll see. We're flexible. But your suggestion is duly noted and we'll make a point of checking it out if we take that route. -Dave G From bens Mon Aug 26 15:46:47 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7QJklT01216 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 15:46:47 -0400 Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 15:46:46 -0400 Message-Id: <200208261946.g7QJkkp01212@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Roger Sinasohn To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: NCRC Hollister Meeting Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org At 12:58 PM 8/26/02 -0400, Nancy Hart wrote: >Cheers to Jeremy for putting on a great clinic. Thanks! And I enjoyed >meeting some nice folks from the club. I'm looking forward to doing more >with the club soon. I heartily agree! I learned a lot AND had a good time! While the terrain wasn't as challenging/exciting as wee Cassie would have liked, it was an excellent refresher/re-introduction to off-highway driving for us, especially with the new vehicle! (And thanks again to Jeanne for helping me sort out the low-range shifting!) We are definitely looking forward to more trips. Thanks! P.S. to Jason -- I have pics if you want to put them on the website (or in the newsletter.) --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger@sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/ From bens Mon Aug 26 16:14:33 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7QKEXL01395 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 16:14:33 -0400 Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 16:14:33 -0400 Message-Id: <200208262014.g7QKEX401391@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: NCRC Hollister Meeting Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Roger, I certainly would love to have pics for the site. The new pastevents section should be up soon and photo sets will be very helpful! Feel free to contact me offline regarding transfering the pics. I had a great time at the event too, btw. The weather was splendid, the company was excellent, the trails were fun, I learned a thing or two, and I'm looking forward to the remaining events this summer! Another big thanks to Jeremy for putting on this one together. Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 From bens Mon Aug 26 16:57:07 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7QKv7Z01758 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 16:57:07 -0400 Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 16:57:07 -0400 Message-Id: <200208262057.g7QKv7D01754@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Roger Sinasohn To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: CD Radios Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Just an FYI -- we found that Radio Shack (at least in San Francisco) is clearing out CB radios. We got a handheld 40ch, 5-watt "sports"* model for $30. If you don't have a CB and don't want to spend a bundle, or if you want a second, handheld model for out-of-vehicle use, it's worth looking at. Model TRC-238, Item # 21-1670. *sports = colorful yellow plastic exterior to give optimistic impression of ruggedness and water resistance. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger@sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/ From bens Mon Aug 26 18:17:08 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7QMH8B02197 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 18:17:08 -0400 Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 18:17:07 -0400 Message-Id: <200208262217.g7QMH7l02193@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Eric Johnson" To: Subject: Re: Thanks Jeremy! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Ditto's for Jeremy Hollister is much better than I expected. Lots of areas to practice some advanced driving techniques without worrying about getting into serious trouble. Worth many return trips. I know the Yellow-Jackets sure enjoyed the tri-tip. Poison Oak is truly evil and must be destroyed. eric From bens Mon Aug 26 20:41:39 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7R0fdg03004 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 20:41:39 -0400 Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 20:41:39 -0400 Message-Id: <200208270041.g7R0fd603000@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Keith Shukait To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Discovery Car Cover Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org All, I'm loosing it, ~;^) I know these cars are suppose to be dented and scratched and sun bleached but I have to break with the tradition. I've need to do further research on the web, but I wanted to know if anyone uses a car cover with their Discovery? I have a Land Rover Expedition Rack on my XD and the only car cover I've found so far doesn't fit with the roof rack and brush bar. I don't want the sun to bleach out the new sticker kit. Thanks as always, Keith From bens Mon Aug 26 21:07:32 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7R17W403169 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 21:07:32 -0400 Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 21:07:32 -0400 Message-Id: <200208270107.g7R17W503165@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Discovery Car Cover Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Keith, don't worry about tending to your new baby, I think deep inside we all do it, even though we might not always admit it. I know we baby our 110, but we also put it to good, hard use too. The way I figure, my parents always taught me that the better you treat your toys, the longer they last. Griot's Garage makes speciality car covers sized to fit any vehicle. I can't say they will be cheap (cheaper than a garage though I bet) but they will fit and bit very high quality. Check them out. You might also consider adding flame tubes under your door sills to ward off anyone potentially getting too near the truck - handy for quick trail meals and getting rid of pesky over hanging brush while driving too. ;) Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 From bens Mon Aug 26 21:21:45 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7R1Ljx03258 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 21:21:45 -0400 Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 21:21:45 -0400 Message-Id: <200208270121.g7R1LjI03254@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Franklin H. Yap" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Discovery Car Cover Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi Keith, Check with LRNA if they sell one. It'll be pricey but if they have it you might be able to get a deal elsewhere. I'm pretty sure one of the web sellers will build to fit. One problem with the roof rack will be the ponding on the roof with any waterproof covers. And, many of the high end covers are waterproof. If the cover is tight the ponding water will eventually rip the material. Plus, you won't be able to take off the cover after any sizeable rainfall without first bailing out the pond. The LRNA cover is not waterproof; it is designed to allow the water to pass through without trapping moisture. It is designed/made (actually jobbed out of the country) by a San Jose company but I don't think they will sell directly to the public because of their agreement with LRNA. Frank ---------------------------------------- Keith Shukait wrote: >... >I've need to do further research on the web, but I wanted to know if >anyone uses a car cover with their Discovery? I have a Land Rover >Expedition Rack on my XD and the only car cover I've found so far > From bens Mon Aug 26 21:57:20 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7R1vKB03444 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 21:57:20 -0400 Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 21:57:20 -0400 Message-Id: <200208270157.g7R1vKB03440@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "tim boorman" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Hollister (Thank you!!) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi all, Thank you for putting up with me this weekend, i had an really good time, it was cool to check out some more trucks and meet more people in the club. Unfortunatly i'm crap with names so i appologise (and spelling!!) if i keep asking everybodys names - i recon by the end of the year i'll have it sorted - doh!!! Its really tempting to bring my truck over now, i miss it like crazy (kinda sad to be that attached to a truck i know!!!!), unfortunatly i guess it would be rather exspensive to bring over, although at least running it hear would be cheep as chips ($1.70 a gallon - bargin!!). thanks to everyone that let me ride with them and even have a quick play around - felt really goos to drive a real vehicle again!! Chris - did you get back ok?? Thanks again everyone - look forward to meeting you all again soon. Tim (buy the way what dose FYI mean????, i keep seeing it in the posts???) take it easy! _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From bens Mon Aug 26 22:01:43 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7R21h903483 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 22:01:43 -0400 Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 22:01:42 -0400 Message-Id: <200208270201.g7R21gd03479@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Biophilian@aol.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Looking for ED SANMAN Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Sorry listers--looking for Ed. Ed, I accidentally deleted your email with the suggestions for wiring up the new alternator from Wrangler NW. If you could, would you shoot those suggestions my way again? Thanks so much!!! Kevan Wiser From bens Mon Aug 26 23:06:02 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7R362s03783 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 23:06:02 -0400 Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 23:06:02 -0400 Message-Id: <200208270306.g7R362Y03779@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jeff Rogers To: Mendo Recce List Subject: Re: Hollister (Thank you!!) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org For Your Information :-) on 8/26/02 6:57 PM, tim boorman at boormantim@hotmail.com wrote: > (buy the way what dose FYI mean????, From bens Mon Aug 26 23:06:47 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7R36lS03798 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 23:06:47 -0400 Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 23:06:47 -0400 Message-Id: <200208270306.g7R36lV03794@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Christopher Dow To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Hollister (Thank you!!) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I'll chime in with thanks to Jeremy, as well. Well done. tim boorman wrote: >Chris - did you get back ok?? > Bugger. You had to out me, didn't you? Yes, the tie rod straightening and alignment worked out well. >(buy the way what dose FYI mean????, i keep seeing it in the posts???) > > BTW: By the way FYI: for your information FWIW: for what it's worth IMHO: in my humble opinion YMMV: your mileage may vary etc. C From bens Mon Aug 26 23:38:46 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7R3ckA03915 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 23:38:46 -0400 Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 23:38:46 -0400 Message-Id: <200208270338.g7R3ck203911@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: other abbreviations (for Tim) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org AFIK - As Far As I Know AKA - Also Known As ASAP - As Soon As Possible BTW - By the Way BBN - By Bye Now B4N - Bye for now CID - Crying In Disgrace FYI - For Your Information GHM - God Help Me GHY - God Help You GMTA - Great Minds Think Alike GSM - God Save Me HHIS - Hanging Head In Shame IMO - In My Opinion IMHO - In my humble opinion JMHO - Just my humble opinion JTLYK - Just To Let You Know LMAO - Laughing My Ass Off LMHO - Laughing My Head Off LOL - Laughing out loud OTTOMH - Off The Top Of My Head ROTFL - Rolling On The Floor Laughing ROTFLMAO - Rolling On The Floor Laughing My Ass Off TIA - Thanks in advance TTBOMK - To the best of my knowledge AFIK, BTW, GMTA and IMHO, JTLYK, hopefully this will cause others to LOL while ROTFL! TIA, B4N, Jason Pipes (AKA jpipes) From bens Mon Aug 26 23:44:03 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7R3i3903959 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 23:44:03 -0400 Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 23:44:02 -0400 Message-Id: <200208270344.g7R3i2Y03955@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Christopher Dow To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Tie Rods Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Last weekend at Niagara, I bent a tie rod (again), and had to remove the bracket behind it on the diff to get proper alignment to drive home. Driving to the picknic area at Hollister, I went over one obsticle and buggered it but good again. I need to find a solution to this problem. Some have suggested the Southdown skid plate, and I'm sure it gives good protection against impacts. However, I found no evidence of an impact at Niagara. I think the 110 is just heavy and the tie rod will bend in plastic mode if there is enough pressure on the two wheels. So, I first want to get a strengthened tie rod/drag link set. I'd like to know who has them and what they think. I know that SG, Rockware, and Rovertym have them (although I think Rovertym's is v. different from what is needed on a 90/110), and I think that fabitron has them as well. Thanks for any tips you can provide, C From bens Mon Aug 26 23:52:42 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7R3qgD04018 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 23:52:42 -0400 Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 23:52:41 -0400 Message-Id: <200208270352.g7R3qfA04014@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Christopher Dow To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: SIII in Shallow Alto Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I've been seeing a beautiful SIII w/ (I think) Brownchurch rack from RN on 101 in the mornings and occasional evenings. I think we met at Mendo, but I'm not totally sure. Pulled up behind me on 101 in a traffic jam tonight, and turned around what was otherwise a pretty awful day. Thanks! C From bens Mon Aug 26 23:59:55 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7R3xtL04051 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 23:59:55 -0400 Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 23:59:55 -0400 Message-Id: <200208270359.g7R3xtP04047@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "tim boorman" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: other abbreviations (for Tim) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org nice one!!, cheers Jason, mayby now i'll understand what people are talking about!!!! this computer/text talking is all new to me!!! makes sence to abbreviate though - less typing - good thing for me and my one finger typing (wheres the bloody 'J') the only one i know and never seam to do is R.T.F.M - Read The Fu**ing Instructions!! - one day i'll learn! BFN - GHM i'm turning tecno!!!!!! >From: Jason Pipes >Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Subject: other abbreviations (for Tim) >Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 23:38:46 -0400 > >AFIK - As Far As I Know >AKA - Also Known As >ASAP - As Soon As Possible [ 29 additional quoted lines pruned. ] _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From bens Tue Aug 27 00:39:45 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7R4dj905583 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 00:39:45 -0400 Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 00:39:44 -0400 Message-Id: <200208270439.g7R4di505574@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Fw: Best ever resignation letter(more humor) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I'm sure that some folks on this list can identify... :) Charles --------- Forwarded message ---------- From: "Robert Winkelmann" To: Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 15:07:41 -0700 Subject: Best ever resignation letter Message-ID: <007701c24d4d$079dd540$7b400740@londonyob> Mr Baker, As an employee of an institution of higher education, I have a few very basic expectations. Chief among these is that my direct superiors have an intellect that ranges above the common ground squirrel. After your consistent and annoying harassment of myself and my co-workers during the commission of our duties, I can only surmise that you are one of the few true genetic wastes of our time. Asking me, a network administrator, to explain every little nuance of everything I do each time you happen to stroll into my office is not only a waste of time, but also a waste of precious oxygen. I was hired because I know about Unix, and you were apparently hired to provide amusement to myself and other employees, who watch you vainly attempt to understand the concept of "cut and paste" for the hundredth time. You will never understand computers. Something as incredibly simple as binary math still gives you too many options. You will also never understand why people hate you, but I am going to try and explain it to you, even though I am sure this will be just as effective as telling you what an IP is. Your shiny new iMac has more personality than you ever will. You walk around the building all day, shiftlessly looking for fault in others. You have a sharp dressed useless look about you that may have worked for your interview, but now that you actually have responsibility, you pawn it off on overworked staff, hoping their talent will cover for your glaring ineptitude. In a world of managerial evolution, you are the blue-green algae that everyone else eats and laughs at. Managers like you are a sad proof of the Dilbert principle. Seeing as this situation is unlikely to change without you getting a full frontal lobotomy reversal, I am forced to tender my resignation, however I have a few parting thoughts. 1. When someone calls you in reference to employment, it is illegal to give me a bad recommendation. The most you can say to hurt me is "I prefer not to comment." I will have friends randomly call you over the next couple of years to keep you honest, because I know you would be unable to do it on your own. 2. I have all the passwords to every account on the system, and I know every password you have used for the last five years. If you decide to get cute, I am going to publish your "favorites list", which I conveniently saved when you made me "back up" your useless files. I do believe that terms like "Lolita" are not usually viewed favorably by the administration. 3. When you borrowed the digital camera to "take pictures of your mothers b-day", you neglected to mention that you were going to take pictures of yourself in the mirror nude. Then you forgot to erase them like the techno-moron you really are. Suffice it to say I have never seen such odd acts with a ketchup bottle, but I assure you that those have been copied and kept in safe places pending the authoring of a glowng letter of recommendation. (Try to use a spell check please; I hate having to correct your mistakes.) Thank you for your time, and I expect the letter of recommendation on my desk by 8:00 am tomorrow. One word of this to anybody, and all of your little twisted repugnant obsessions will be open to the public. Never screw with your systems administrators, because they know what you do with all your free time. Sincerely XXXXXX ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Tue Aug 27 00:39:53 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7R4drf05590 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 00:39:53 -0400 Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 00:39:44 -0400 Message-Id: <200208270439.g7R4dih05576@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: German Driving tests Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org When I became a commercial truck driver, I had 2-3 weeks classroom, and 2-3 weeks in the truck, and I STILL didn't feel that it was enough! Cars are one thing, but the Commercial Drivers' exam is pretty much the same as what people with cars have to go through in Germany: Pre-trip test: name EVERY part of the vehicle that would be inspected before actually driving it - suspension parts, brakes, engine, fluids, body/cab, etc...- over 100 points to inspect) This one is scored by a point system. This is a verbal test, no papers to look at. Air Brake test: This consists of the 4 ways to check the air system (and brakes) of a tractor-trailer. You MUST explain to the instructor what each test consists of while you are conducting the tests. THERE ARE NO POINTS - it's pass, or fail. Fail puts you back into the classroom until you can pass this test, and until you pass, you go no further. On the other hand, once you pass this test, you never have to take it again, as long as you live. BTW - this is also a verbal test, there are no papers to look at. Backing / Skills test: Just that - back up in a straight line w/trailer, for about 100 yards, back into an "alley dock", Paralell park w/trailer, Making a "measured right turn" (making a right turn around an imaginary corner: you have to make it in such a way that the trailer wheels are no more than 24 inches from the "curb"!) Stopping at a limit line: bringing the rig to a halt with the nose as close to a crosswalk line as possible, without being in the crosswalk Disconnecting a trailer, then re-connecting it. These are all scored by a point system, and it's all driving on a closed course. Practical driving test: again, just that - they have you drive the examiner around. The actual duration of this test depends on how good you are - I think I set a record of 7 minutes! (one of my classmates was gone 3 hours!) This one is also a point score, and is driving on open roads. The bad thing about the driving schools, is that there is no standard for the size of the tractors, or trailer length. My school used 3-acle tractors with 48' trailers (close to what most big companies haul, which are 53-foot trailers), while some use 2-axle bobtails, and single 20' trailers: this means that drivers with the shorter trucks think they'll pass the tests easier, but shorter trailers are more difficult to maneuver when backing, and you don't learn right turns with long trailers until you work for a company that runs 'em - hence bent street lights at some corners! (and in some cases, bent buildings!) These are the basics - if you want to haul a tanker trailer, you need to take more written tests, same for double/triple trailers, and Hazardous Materials. I'm endorsed for everything except passenger buses (limo endorsment), and as a result, I had to take something like 8 written tests in one day - just the written tests! Charles On Mon, 26 Aug 2002 11:35:18 -0400 StevHutch@aol.com writes: > > > There a week long training course..i.e.- 40 hours I think, the final > exam has > a parts of the vehicle identification test (was iz dat...pointing at > air > cleaner assembly..where is oil added, where is brake master > cylinder, etc.) > Miss more than 10% , you must take the course over. But then there [ 22 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Tue Aug 27 00:49:31 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7R4nVD05646 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 00:49:31 -0400 Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 00:49:31 -0400 Message-Id: <200208270449.g7R4nVH05642@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Fil F." To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: other abbreviations (for Tim) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org jason, you forgot the most improtant one SWMBO - she who must be obeyed cheers; fil Alaska anyone!! >From: Jason Pipes >Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Subject: other abbreviations (for Tim) >Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 23:38:46 -0400 > >AFIK - As Far As I Know >AKA - Also Known As >ASAP - As Soon As Possible [ 29 additional quoted lines pruned. ] _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From bens Tue Aug 27 01:08:09 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7R589c05749 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 01:08:09 -0400 Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 01:08:09 -0400 Message-Id: <200208270508.g7R589s05745@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jeremy Bartlett To: Mendo List Subject: Hollister PD was Re: Thanks Jeremy Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Jon wrote: "As a bonus those of us who stayed to the end got some good close up looks at the law enforcement DII, complete with lights, sirens, and shotgun mount!" And let me hasten to add that it was part of a friendly show and tell and nothing more :) I'm glad people had a good time and the beginners seem to have got something out of it. If anyone has any suggestions for improving the presentation or stuff they'd like to see more or less coverage/time devoted to let me know, either here or directly. I'd appreciate any feedback. Jeremy From bens Tue Aug 27 01:24:56 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7R5OuP05828 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 01:24:56 -0400 Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 01:24:55 -0400 Message-Id: <200208270524.g7R5Otj05824@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jeremy Bartlett To: Mendo List Subject: Series Rovers Go High End? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I was glancing through an issue of Double Gun the other day and came across one of the more amusing ads I've seen for Series roves in a while. As a summary the magazine is devoted to the finer examples of shotguns of which Holland and Holland is probably the most familar to folks. ... and if you haven't heard of them... well, to put it in perspective based on price. the Ranger Rover Holland and Holland special edition really out to be sold as an accessory to the guns not visa versa. Anyway I digress. At the rear of the magazine in refined gold and black ink on white is an ad for series vehicle restorations and special projects (with a photo of a S1 80" ... '53?). It's from the folks at the 4x4 center in VT. The text is amusing: "If you want a vehicle as unique as your gun collection our specialized services will create a customized vehicle as personal as your signature" ... hmmm maybe I'm in the wrong end of this trade :) Jeremy From bens Tue Aug 27 01:26:09 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7R5Q9x05857 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 01:26:09 -0400 Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 01:26:09 -0400 Message-Id: <200208270526.g7R5Q9805853@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jeff Rogers To: Mendo Recce List Subject: Re: Tie Rods Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hey Chris: I don't know anything about the SG, Rockware, and Rovertym strengthened tie rod/drag link sets, but you should also look into the Fabritron setup. Ben, Bruce, Rick and I have been running them for years and I'm pretty sure Rick is the only one to put a slight bend in one (I witnessed, maybe even contributed to, the incident that did this damage and I was impressed as heck with how well the Fabritron tie rod straightened out by itself after being bent up some six inches). IMHO (to tie in another thread from the list), Fabritron isn't the easiest company to get in touch with. Give the number below a shot. Fabritron, 972-475-3027 Rowlett, TX -->Jeff on 8/26/02 8:44 PM, Christopher Dow at dow@thelen.org wrote: > > Last weekend at Niagara, I bent a tie rod (again), and had to remove the > bracket behind it on the diff to get proper alignment to drive home. > Driving to the picknic area at Hollister, I went over one obsticle and > buggered it but good again. I need to find a solution to this problem. > Some have suggested the Southdown skid plate, and I'm sure it gives > good protection against impacts. However, I found no evidence of an > impact at Niagara. I think the 110 is just heavy and the tie rod will > bend in plastic mode if there is enough pressure on the two wheels. [ 9 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Tue Aug 27 02:25:45 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7R6Pjl06115 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 02:25:45 -0400 Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 02:25:45 -0400 Message-Id: <200208270625.g7R6PjV06111@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Rose, Randy" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: "Mojave Road Guide" Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 36 lines filtered. ] Well I'm impressed! Yes, Allen liked the Mojave Road. He was an interesting sort, quite a character, a good talker, and made a lot of friends along his travels. And he was well traveled, internationally and with his Land-Rovers. I remember one Mojave Road tour led by Dennis, with Allen, which included a guided tour of ZZYZX by a ranger, with generous additional history added by Dennis. Allen had a pair of Series rigs, a 109 and an 88. The 88 had locking hubs on all four wheels so he could tow it with the 109. The 109, 1 Rino, had a pull-out kitchen with sink in the rear. I don't know what ever happened to the trucks after he passed away. I haven't seen them locally. I'm glad Allen is remembered. Randy From bens Tue Aug 27 09:49:01 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7RDn1U08336 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 09:49:01 -0400 Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 09:49:01 -0400 Message-Id: <200208271349.g7RDn1C08332@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Discovery Car Cover Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org About the only good place to use a car cover is when the vehicle is parked in a garage. Dust under the cover and light breezes will do lots more harm to your paint and stickers than the sun would. Forget the car cover. Just get yourself some good paint treatment. Some of the best is I think also carried by griot's, but you can get it from the source at: http://www.zainobros.com/ -Dave G. From bens Tue Aug 27 10:51:35 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7REpZw08703 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 10:51:35 -0400 Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 10:51:34 -0400 Message-Id: <200208271451.g7REpYh08698@minbar.fourfold.org> From: john hess To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: Discovery Car Cover Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Gotta disagree Dave. Putting those abrs. to use, IMHO, I use a cover on the Dormie and the Merc outside to keep sun off the paint AND the interior. I think the temp inside the Dormie and Merc is lower than without a cover, and I think that UV/vis/IR light will hurt the rhino hide in the Dormie (the edges on top of the door panels are discolored) and will fade the upholstery in the Merc. I bought a "custom" cover from California Car Cover CO (or california custom or something like that) for a bit under $200 a few years ago. It would still be fine except for the over abundance of cats that roam the neighborhood and sharpen there claws on the corner of the cover. The Dormie has a cheapie too small cover ($40 from Target) that fits over the top and the windows but doesn't cover all the hood. I expected it to last 1 summer, but's it's doing well now in the second one. Not really worried about the paint on either car. cheers, >About the only good place to use a car cover is when the vehicle is parked >in a garage. Dust under the cover and light breezes will do lots more harm >to your paint and stickers than the sun would. > >Forget the car cover. Just get yourself some good paint treatment. Some of >the best is I think also carried by griot's, but you can get it from the >source at: >http://www.zainobros.com/ > [ 1 additional quoted lines pruned. ] John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Land Rover Dormobile web pages: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby" 1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" 1999 Bianchi Milano, 2001 Bianchi Pista, 2000 Merlin Extra Fat 2002 Meridian Attache Softride Tandem From bens Tue Aug 27 11:13:04 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7RFD4E08821 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 11:13:04 -0400 Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 11:13:04 -0400 Message-Id: <200208271513.g7RFD4V08817@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Tie Rods Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi, I've seen Jeeps with chevy V8 engines make a pretzel out of the tie rod when the driver gets on the gas at an obstacle The front wheels (usually BIG) get traction and the rears behind a rock then the tie rod bends. Some have added a pipe over the rod. Sherman's did a bit of bending once and I couldn't find a suitable diameter pipe so I just replaced it for the time being. I thought the Defender tie rod is in the rear of the axle. This would require the wheels to go outward to bend it. But when the wheels are trying to go, they would pull and go inward mostly. Bob B At 08:44 PM 8/26/2002, you wrote: >Last weekend at Niagara, I bent a tie rod (again), and had to remove the >bracket behind it on the diff to get proper alignment to drive home. > Driving to the picknic area at Hollister, I went over one obsticle and >buggered it but good again. I need to find a solution to this problem. > Some have suggested the Southdown skid plate, and I'm sure it gives >good protection against impacts. However, I found no evidence of an >impact at Niagara. I think the 110 is just heavy and the tie rod will >bend in plastic mode if there is enough pressure on the two wheels. > [ 7 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Tue Aug 27 11:35:24 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7RFZOE08991 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 11:35:24 -0400 Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 11:35:23 -0400 Message-Id: <200208271535.g7RFZNa08987@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Mehdi Saghafi" To: Subject: RE: other abbreviations (for Tim) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Alaska anyone!! I am thinking about it. Mehdi From bens Tue Aug 27 11:39:45 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7RFdjt09034 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 11:39:45 -0400 Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 11:39:45 -0400 Message-Id: <200208271539.g7RFdjm09030@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Strange Beast on ebay Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Found this strange "custom" Land Rover listed for sale on ebay. Was then reading on the Rovers North message board and read some interesting comments about this truck. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1852415504 Here is one chaps comments: My *initial* response to that listing is best described as, "disgusted." Call me crazy, but I have this very, very small voice that cries, 'SCAM!' Something just doesn't feel right about that listing... Some thoughts about the EBay Posting- *You go to all that trouble supposedly rebuilding that thing and you keep it RHD? *It says it was, "...customized by professionals..." What does that mean? What constitutes a "professional?" *The entire listing talks about stuff that doesn't mean a d@mn thing. "Land Rover decals and badges," "5 bar diamond plating," "windows," "bull bars," "winches," "bright lights," "(outdated) Laptops," etc. Moreover there's all this talk about how this truck has been built by professionals with all these kick-@ss accessories, but it doesn't even have decent seats, locking doors, a decent paint job, (not to mention a dent-free body) and a bunch of other stuff. Hell, it even has clocks with all these time zones and a humidity indicator but it doesn't even tell you ONE WORD about why it has a salvage title! Finally, did you notice that the freakin' 'Terms of Sale' description is as long as this professionally built 130's 'Vehicle Description?' OR Even though there were "professionals" working on this truck they couldn't even figure out why the choke and brake indicator lights stay on after the truck starts??? (but the seller goes on to say that he's sure this could be remedied... uh-huh) In my opinion someone bought a junked 130, (uhmn, from Montana, maybe???) had a bunch of 5-Bar diamond plating, had some old pipe laying around to built an exterior roll cage with, skanded an old laptop from a Pawn Shop and hoped they could turn a quick buck. This truck, if my hunch were correct, are why there are the terms, 'Can't polish a turd.' and 'All that matters is what's under the hood.' Again, something just doesn't seem right about that 130." ---- Anyway, seemed like an intersting debate. Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 From bens Tue Aug 27 11:45:37 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7RFjb209110 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 11:45:37 -0400 Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 11:45:36 -0400 Message-Id: <200208271545.g7RFja009105@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Discovery Car Cover Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Gotta AGREE John. :^) Covers are great for keeping sun out of the interior. Not so great on paint though. Keith's primary concern seemed to be the car's exterior surfaces. With that roof rack, he might have a great opportunity to have the cake and eat it too, with a roof cover that goes over the greenhouse, and only extends down as far as the mirrors or so. Keep the sun out, and let the protectants take care of the paint and stickers. The roof rack keeps the cover from abrading the roof. Very nice. -Dave G. From bens Tue Aug 27 12:00:38 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7RG0ce09209 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 12:00:38 -0400 Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 12:00:38 -0400 Message-Id: <200208271600.g7RG0cl09205@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Tie Rods Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org As far as being bent by pressure from the wheels, the tie rods rely on "column strength" under compressive loads. If the bar is not straight, it's easier to bend. A lot easier to bend the second time than the first, and so on. This is also why I wouldn't bother with rods that are pre-bent for clearance. Just use a bigger rod. I think Rockware will cut the ends off your old bar and weld them into a larger diameter tube. Very beefy. The center of the bar adds more weight than strength. A nice thick-walled tube makes a great tie rod. Give Matt a call. -Dave G. From bens Tue Aug 27 12:02:41 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7RG2fe09229 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 12:02:41 -0400 Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 12:02:41 -0400 Message-Id: <200208271602.g7RG2fE09225@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Franklin H. Yap" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Discovery Car Cover Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I've used a cover for about 10 years. Paint seems OK. Frank ---------------------------------- Gomes, David wrote: >... >Covers are great for keeping sun out of the interior. Not so great on paint >though. Keith's primary concern seemed to be the car's exterior surfaces. > From bens Tue Aug 27 12:31:17 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7RGVH209424 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 12:31:17 -0400 Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 12:31:17 -0400 Message-Id: <200208271631.g7RGVHK09420@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Nieto, Armando S., Jr." To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: other abbreviations (for Tim) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 53 lines filtered. ] And for all us married types... SWMBO: She Who Must Be Obeyed :^) From bens Tue Aug 27 13:10:36 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7RHAan09649 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 13:10:36 -0400 Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 13:10:36 -0400 Message-Id: <200208271710.g7RHAad09645@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Shannon Holland To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Strange Beast on ebay Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org My favourite part of that add is how he has the 175W inverter to run power tools. Maybe that's why he couldn't get his blinky lights to work? Shannon On Tuesday, August 27, 2002, at 08:39 AM, Jason Pipes wrote: > > > Found this strange "custom" Land Rover listed for sale on ebay. Was then > reading on the Rovers North message board and read some interesting > comments > about this truck. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1852415504 > [ 72 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Tue Aug 27 13:34:04 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7RHY4l09821 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 13:34:04 -0400 Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 13:34:03 -0400 Message-Id: <200208271734.g7RHY3r09817@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Turner, Jon [LFS]" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: other abbreviations (for Tim) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; ] [ 19 lines filtered. ] This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. charset="iso-8859-1" and on the flipside of SWMBO: DH: Dear Husband -or- D**k Head, depending on the mood! From bens Tue Aug 27 16:24:01 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7RKO1d11540 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 16:24:01 -0400 Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 16:24:00 -0400 Message-Id: <200208272024.g7RKO0W11534@minbar.fourfold.org> From: James Howard To: "mendo_recce@fourfold.org" Subject: Mismatched tires Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org How long would you drive a Range Rover with 205/80R16s on the front and 245/70R16s on the rear? The 245s are 2% bigger, theoretically. Do I need to worry about the viscous coupling? From bens Tue Aug 27 17:24:27 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7RLORw12070 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 17:24:27 -0400 Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 17:24:27 -0400 Message-Id: <200208272124.g7RLORc12066@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Curtin, Gerald" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: Marine Blue Series III on 101 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hey Chris, That was me, and yes...I was at Mendo--I live about 2 blocks away from you (Cowper St), and have been meaning to drop bye (in a hurry yesterday, as you could tell from the Series maxed out at 70!!), as well as participate in the latest trips (darn travelling)!! AND seeing a fellow rover on the road always makes me happy too!! -Gerald This email contains information that may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy or disclose this message to anybody or the information contained herein. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender and delete this message. Thank you. From bens Tue Aug 27 17:27:40 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7RLReE12116 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 17:27:40 -0400 Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 17:27:40 -0400 Message-Id: <200208272127.g7RLReJ12112@minbar.fourfold.org> From: joe mulqueen To: mendo Subject: car covers Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Keith, JC Whitney sells many stock and custom covers. That said, I used thick, generic covers on my '60 Corvette daily driver for 9 yrs. They (a new one every few yrs) served several purposes - protection from sun, heat and curious eyes. The covers were non form fitting to help prevent vehicle ID and slightly oversize to drape low over the wheels and body sills. Covers are a good thing if used religously. If put on same side down following a repeated sequence, the install/remove process then becomes very efficient and 2nd nature. If you don't follow a process, frustration sets in and the cover will not get used. As for scratching, dark colors and extremely high wind conditions where the cover is flapping might be a concern but the only problem I had was where the small plasic grommet (used for slinging a locking cable underneath from sill to sill) rattled the paint. A lower cover solved that problem. My only comment for a truck with roof rack would be the ease of getting the cover on and off the rack without constantly snagging it. Good Luck! Joe Mulqueen '67 SIIA 109 SW '60 AH 3000 (on rotisserie) '56 MGA __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From bens Tue Aug 27 21:51:16 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7S1pGq13510 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 21:51:16 -0400 Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 21:51:16 -0400 Message-Id: <200208280151.g7S1pGG13506@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Cell Phones Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org T-Mobile is looking pretty darn good....... Charles ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Tue Aug 27 22:02:50 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7S22oQ13579 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 22:02:50 -0400 Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 22:02:50 -0400 Message-Id: <200208280202.g7S22oQ13575@minbar.fourfold.org> From: LRDino@aol.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #832 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Prodigal Filipino Roverman, Dino returns. Great seeing all of you again. Hope I can you guys at Pismo Dino Gomez 95 5 Speed Discovery 1 From bens Tue Aug 27 22:17:16 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7S2HGi13654 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 22:17:16 -0400 Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 22:17:16 -0400 Message-Id: <200208280217.g7S2HGB13650@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Daniel Oppenheim" To: Subject: Namibian pictures Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; ] [ 26 lines filtered. ] charset="iso-8859-1" Hello mendo travelers, A friend of mine just got back from Namibia. He was driving a Land = Rover, and the pictures of his trip are fantastic. If you are = interested, e-mail off line and I can send some. He also was on the = Cape, and the Namibian coast. way cool. cheers...and missing Africa so much right now, Daniel From bens Tue Aug 27 22:44:45 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7S2ijW13764 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 22:44:45 -0400 Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 22:44:44 -0400 Message-Id: <200208280244.g7S2ii513760@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Shannon Holland (wireless)" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Cell Phones Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I like t-mobile, but then I'm a bit biased as I've been consulting at Danger, Inc. They make the new t-mobile Sidekick (available in the next few weeks). Has wireless email, decent web browsing, aol im, phone, etc). Bonus is that you can get your mendo mail whenever (am sending this from my Rover!). Shannon On Tue, 27 Aug 2002 7:09PM -0800, Charles R Irvin wrote: > >T-Mobile is looking pretty darn good....... > >Charles > > >________________________________________________________________ >GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! >Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! [ 2 additional quoted lines pruned. ] --holland From bens Wed Aug 28 00:11:25 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7S4BPU14805 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 00:11:25 -0400 Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 00:11:24 -0400 Message-Id: <200208280411.g7S4BOc14801@minbar.fourfold.org> From: john hess To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Cell Phones Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org yup, we decided that's what Alex gets. $40/month >T-Mobile is looking pretty darn good....... > >Charles > > >________________________________________________________________ >GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! >Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! >Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: [ 1 additional quoted lines pruned. ] John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Land Rover Dormobile web pages: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby" 1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" 1999 Bianchi Milano, 2001 Bianchi Pista, 2000 Merlin Extra Fat 2002 Meridian Attache Softride Tandem From bens Wed Aug 28 00:44:36 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7S4iar15602 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 00:44:36 -0400 Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 00:44:35 -0400 Message-Id: <200208280444.g7S4iZd15598@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Tom Walsh" To: Subject: Re: other abbreviations (for Tim) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Sounds good, but won't work with the up and coming due date! TomW ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mehdi Saghafi" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 8:35 AM Subject: RE: other abbreviations (for Tim) > > > > Alaska anyone!! > > I am thinking about it. > Mehdi > From bens Wed Aug 28 08:37:27 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7SCbRh17560 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 08:37:27 -0400 Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 08:37:27 -0400 Message-Id: <200208281237.g7SCbRS17556@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Turner, Jon [LFS]" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Cc: "Jason Pipes (E-mail)" Subject: Lost Coast this weekend Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; ] [ 27 lines filtered. ] This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. charset="iso-8859-1" Late notice, but Jason, Petra, Emily, and I are planning a recce from the Lost Coast to the Nevada Border (or as far as we can get) this weekend. Goal is to travel from the Pacific to NW Nevada on only dirt roads / trails. We're planning on keeping the number of vehicles low, but another 1 or 2 would be welcome if anyone is interested! Jon Turner '01 RR 4.6 HSE '93 NAS 110 412/500 From bens Wed Aug 28 10:34:10 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7SEYAW18559 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 10:34:10 -0400 Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 10:34:09 -0400 Message-Id: <200208281434.g7SEY9E18555@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kerner, Rob" To: Subject: Harbor Freight problem(NO LR) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Any one had any issues with buying things through Harbor Freight. I purchased a HPLV paint gun 2 weeks ago. They charged my credit card 2 days later, and I finally got something from them yesterday. I received a $20 socket set. They said they would send me a label to send back the sockets, and when they received it they would send me the paint gun. I told them I wasn't going to wait another 1 week for the sockets to go back and then another 2 weeks for the paint gun since they had already taken my money. They finally agreed to send me the paint gun. We'll see. :( I really need to paint the house before it starts raining... -Rob From bens Wed Aug 28 10:56:06 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7SEu6j18765 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 10:56:06 -0400 Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 10:56:06 -0400 Message-Id: <200208281456.g7SEu6T18761@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Eric Johnson" To: Subject: Re: Lost Coast this weekend Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Man, does that sound good. I will be there in spirit, unless circumstances change in the next few days. >>> JTurner4@LFSUS.JNJ.com 08/28/02 05:37AM >>> [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; ] [ 27 lines filtered. ] This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. charset="iso-8859-1" Late notice, but Jason, Petra, Emily, and I are planning a recce from the Lost Coast to the Nevada Border (or as far as we can get) this weekend. Goal is to travel from the Pacific to NW Nevada on only dirt roads / trails. We're planning on keeping the number of vehicles low, but another 1 or 2 would be welcome if anyone is interested! Jon Turner '01 RR 4.6 HSE '93 NAS 110 412/500 From bens Wed Aug 28 10:58:15 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7SEwFh18788 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 10:58:15 -0400 Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 10:58:15 -0400 Message-Id: <200208281458.g7SEwFR18784@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Harbor Freight problem(NO LR) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I've only had issues with not liking the product after getting it. The good thing is they always take it back and pay the postage also. I've never gotten the wrong item though. Bob B At 07:34 AM 8/28/2002, you wrote: >Any one had any issues with buying things through Harbor Freight. > >I purchased a HPLV paint gun 2 weeks ago. They charged my credit card 2 >days later, and I finally got something from them yesterday. I received >a $20 socket set. They said they would send me a label to send back the >sockets, and when they received it they would send me the paint gun. I >told them I wasn't going to wait another 1 week for the sockets to go >back and then another 2 weeks for the paint gun since they had already >taken my money. They finally agreed to send me the paint gun. We'll [ 2 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Wed Aug 28 11:10:08 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7SFA8218880 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 11:10:08 -0400 Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 11:10:08 -0400 Message-Id: <200208281510.g7SFA8x18876@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Harbor Freight problem(NO LR) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Rob, Did you order online - or did they have to give you a rain check??? (you didn't say which) I've always walked into a store, picked what I wanted, gave them cash, and left - no problems. Had to get a rain check once, and I just blew the seal recently on a floorjack I bought from them years ago... other than that, nothing. Charles. On Wed, 28 Aug 2002 10:34:09 -0400 "Kerner, Rob" writes: > > Any one had any issues with buying things through Harbor Freight. > > I purchased a HPLV paint gun 2 weeks ago. They charged my credit > card 2 > days later, and I finally got something from them yesterday. I > received > a $20 socket set. They said they would send me a label to send back > the [ 10 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Wed Aug 28 11:15:43 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7SFFh218938 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 11:15:43 -0400 Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 11:15:43 -0400 Message-Id: <200208281515.g7SFFh318934@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kerner, Rob" To: Subject: RE: Harbor Freight problem(NO LR) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org It was an online order. -Rob From bens Wed Aug 28 11:37:49 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7SFbnM19131 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 11:37:49 -0400 Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 11:37:49 -0400 Message-Id: <200208281537.g7SFbnh19127@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Lost Coast this weekend Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org You know - if you guys plan it right, the Nugget Hotel and Casino in Reno, is having their annual rib cookoff this Fri, Sat, Sun....... :) Charles On Wed, 28 Aug 2002 10:56:06 -0400 "Eric Johnson" writes: > > Man, does that sound good. > I will be there in spirit, unless circumstances change in the next > few > days. > > >>> JTurner4@LFSUS.JNJ.com 08/28/02 05:37AM >>> > > [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ 23 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Wed Aug 28 12:29:51 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7SGTpq19662 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 12:29:51 -0400 Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 12:29:51 -0400 Message-Id: <200208281629.g7SGTp919658@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "charles chuan-chen phu" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Lost Coast this weekend Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org That really sounds great. I wish I can join you guys. Don't forget to bring some good photos back! Have fun. Charles Phu _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From bens Wed Aug 28 12:38:49 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7SGcnR19724 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 12:38:49 -0400 Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 12:38:49 -0400 Message-Id: <200208281638.g7SGcn819720@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Lost Coast this weekend Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- "Turner, Jon [LFS]" wrote: > Late notice, but Jason, Petra, Emily, and I are planning > a recce from the > Lost Coast to the Nevada Border (or as far as we can get) > this weekend. > Goal is to travel from the Pacific to NW Nevada on only > dirt roads / > trails. We're planning on keeping the number of vehicles > low, but another 1 > or 2 would be welcome if anyone is interested! Hmmmm! Interesting! I have been toying with heading back up to the cabin at the Sea Ranch again for this week-end and was just about to drop a note about the trails up around the lost coast, or nearby hoping if not a large group, maybe Gerry Mugle, Granny or others in North bay area may be bored and want to go up and play in the general vicinity for a day trip...... but this sounds good too......hmmmmmmm Paul __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From bens Wed Aug 28 13:15:01 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7SHF1f20280 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 13:15:01 -0400 Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 13:15:00 -0400 Message-Id: <200208281715.g7SHF0Y20274@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Peter Hope" To: Subject: Re: Event Decal Package Installed Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Aloha Kieth, Did they have to reinstall all the decals or just the ones on the damaged fender? I never saw the photos post damage, but it sure looks great now :-) Can anyone tell me why they put the US Flag on the fender backwards, union on the right not left? Pete From bens Wed Aug 28 13:29:26 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7SHTQ620411 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 13:29:26 -0400 Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 13:29:25 -0400 Message-Id: <200208281729.g7SHTPk20407@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "G. Mugele" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: TAW Sighting Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Seems like lately I only see Mendo/NCRC folks going in the opposite direction in urban environs. Yesterday @ quarter past noon there was TeriAnn in the Green Rover with her beast aboard headed north on Park Presidio (in San Francisco). I presume she was headed for the Golden Gate and on her annual trek up the coast to Portland for the ABFM. I won't be able to go this again this year. Hope everyone has a good time up there. Gerry M *** A friend has a machine that does upholstery automatically. He fell into it yesterday and now he's fully recovered. From bens Wed Aug 28 13:48:09 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7SHm9i20633 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 13:48:09 -0400 Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 13:48:09 -0400 Message-Id: <200208281748.g7SHm9020629@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Roger Sinasohn To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: How much is too much up top? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org How much weight is too much to carry on top of a vehicle for medium-gonzo off-highway driving? Mendo, for example? I'm considering a roof-top tent, but am concerned about the weight. We'd also like a roof rack which would only add more weight. Any thoughts? I've been browsing the web site at and drooling as much as Jared. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger@sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/ From bens Wed Aug 28 15:21:42 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7SJLgQ21397 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 15:21:42 -0400 Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 15:21:42 -0400 Message-Id: <200208281921.g7SJLgX21393@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Peter Hope" To: Subject: Re: How much is too much up top? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > We'd also like a roof rack which would > only add more weight. Any thoughts? > I've been browsing the web site at and > drooling as much as Jared. I don't know if there is a specific # to answer your question. 500 is too much definately, but is 100? What type of vehicle is this for? Is it running larger then stock tires? Any suspension mods made to it? If it is 100% stock still and a current model vehicle, you might be able to find out from the manufacturer. I was looking at lofty designs also. I like the overcamp, the larger version is only 115lbs and it will fit a queen size mattress. I would not put fuel or water in a roof rack, weight and because if not 100% full, then the load shifts. Tom Sheppard in both "Off Roader" and "Vehicle Dependant Expedition Guide" says to keep all the weight low and centered. Even mentions somewhere to forgo the roof rack, so you are not tempted to use it. If you do go for a roof rack, I would only load it with light soft thing, sleeping bags, foam pads, clothing, etc. Packed in waterproof stuff sacks or a an action packer. The overcamp is 115. Mount it off center and then load up and action-packer with 115lbs and put on the other side. Personally, thet is the most weight I would want up high. HTH, Pete From bens Wed Aug 28 15:33:56 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7SJXuD21540 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 15:33:56 -0400 Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 15:33:56 -0400 Message-Id: <200208281933.g7SJXue21536@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: How much is too much up top? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- Roger Sinasohn wrote: > > How much weight is too much to carry on top of a vehicle > for medium-gonzo > off-highway driving? Mendo, for example? I'm > considering a roof-top tent, > but am concerned about the weight. We'd also like a roof > rack which would > only add more weight. Any thoughts? > [ 3 additional quoted lines pruned. ] well you remember the Light Brigade had the roof-top tent for ages. it is fine except for extreme rock crawling....which you shouldn't do in a disco anyway as they are kinda tippy compared to a rangie or defender in my opinion.. Paul __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From bens Wed Aug 28 16:04:01 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7SK41c21776 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 16:04:01 -0400 Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 16:04:01 -0400 Message-Id: <200208282004.g7SK41w21772@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Spencer Knight" To: Subject: gaskets for 4 liter engine Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi all, I need to get some gaskets for my little engine project. Any suggestions on a good choice for a source? Thanks, Spencer From bens Wed Aug 28 17:13:52 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7SLDqh22239 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 17:13:52 -0400 Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 17:13:51 -0400 Message-Id: <200208282113.g7SLDpX22235@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: New cellphone number... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Folks, Due to my recent unhappiness with Sprint, I have switched over to T-Mobile. New number (in case you get stranded) is 559-300-2105. I m a y keep Sprint for a while, for Analog Roaming (if I break in the boonies again), but I'm still undecided. Charles ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From bens Wed Aug 28 19:27:02 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7SNR2r23234 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 19:27:02 -0400 Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 19:27:01 -0400 Message-Id: <200208282327.g7SNR1a23230@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Peter Hope" To: "Mendo_Recce" Subject: Mojave Road Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Aloha. Ordered a copy of the MR Guide after someone posted the link last week. Showed up today. What a great book. I am jonesen to get on the trail now :-) Pete From bens Wed Aug 28 20:44:06 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7T0i6T23677 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 20:44:06 -0400 Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 20:44:06 -0400 Message-Id: <200208290044.g7T0i6V23673@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gerry Elam" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mojave Road Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Guess it's a sneeky way to do. Posting the link and getting folks to order it is a great way to get people who haven't traveled the road before excited. It the book doesn't get you pumped, nothing will. What I really want is to see Armando out there so I can meet his wife. If we're lucky, maybe his brother from PHX will show up too. :-) Cheers, Gerry >Ordered a copy of the MR Guide after someone posted the link last week. >Showed up today. What a great book. >I am jonesen to get on the trail now :-) >Pete _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From bens Thu Aug 29 01:27:09 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7T5R9426210 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 01:27:09 -0400 Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 01:27:09 -0400 Message-Id: <200208290527.g7T5R9L26206@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kevin Kelly" To: "Mendo List" Subject: Roof Top Tents Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Roger wrote: > How much weight is too much to carry on top of a vehicle > for medium-gonzo off-highway driving? Mendo, for example? > I'm considering a roof-top tent, but am concerned about > the weight. I don't like to keep anything on top when driving off road since racks often get hung up on branches and even an empty rack adds weight up real high that will make it easier to tip. A roof-top tent would be great if you were camping some place where wild animals might tear in to a tent on the ground, but it sure is a lot easier to get out and take a leak at 3:00 am when you are on the ground... I just replaced my 10 year old two person tent with a nice three person tent that I bought on sale at the North Face Outlet for $99. It will give me a little more room for my inflatable queen size air bed. Kevin From bens Thu Aug 29 02:27:59 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7T6RxH26459 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 02:27:59 -0400 Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 02:27:58 -0400 Message-Id: <200208290627.g7T6Rwg26455@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Tom Walsh" To: Subject: Re: Roof Top Tents Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > > Roger wrote: > > > How much weight is too much to carry on top of a vehicle > > for medium-gonzo off-highway driving? Mendo, for example? > > I'm considering a roof-top tent, but am concerned about > > the weight. > > I don't like to keep anything on top when driving off road since racks often > get hung up on branches and even an empty rack adds weight up real high that > will make it easier to tip. I really enjoyed the roof top tent on the LB. It allowed us to do alot of road trips easier and more fun. We could drive till I was tired and just find an old dirt road ( ect ) and pull off and pop the tent. We did alot of non-mendo trips cross country that way and it was fun! On Mendo trips I tried to use it mostly for trips that did not have a base camp or that weren't real gonzo. The RV/Camper we have now is to big to easily do that ( or at least to the degree we could with the rover and a roof top tent ), of course the RV is more comfy.. but two sides of a sword I guess. I never had any "huge" problems with clearance, you just have to be careful in some circumstances. The cartop tents on the link you posted looked pretty cool! I like the one that goes up with the lever in the medium size for a small family! TomW From bens Thu Aug 29 15:30:46 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7TJUkF30911 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 15:30:46 -0400 Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 15:30:45 -0400 Message-Id: <200208291930.g7TJUji30907@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Polla Slade" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: heading to Paso Robles... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hey all, I'm heading to Paso Robles tomorrow afternoon until Monday afternoon. I don't suppose there are any Mendo-ites who are just incredibly bored, looking for something to do, and want to come to Paso to help work on the crew-cab this weekend? It'll be fun, I promise!!! Michael _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From bens Thu Aug 29 23:12:42 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7U3CgT00865 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 23:12:42 -0400 Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 23:12:42 -0400 Message-Id: <200208300312.g7U3CgD00861@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jeremy Bartlett To: Mendo List Subject: NCRC Rally Registration Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Just a reminder if you're thinking about competing in the NCRC rally I'd like to get registrations in within the next week or two. There are ten spots taken so far. Jeremy From bens Thu Aug 29 23:35:29 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7U3ZTb00981 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 23:35:29 -0400 Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 23:35:28 -0400 Message-Id: <200208300335.g7U3ZSO00977@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Christopher Dow To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: H2 & Freelander Siting Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org After having never Seen a Freelander on this continent, I've seen two in the last two days. I like the way they look more than the other SUVs in that class. Just before seeing the Freelander, I saw an H2 on the freeway, as well. IMO, the sides are too smooth. They need more ripples, bolts, rivets, or some such to look serious. It looks like somebody shoved a hose into an early-nineties Volvo SW and inflated it. C PS the H2 was AA Yellow From bens Thu Aug 29 23:52:17 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7U3qHk01063 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 23:52:17 -0400 Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 23:52:17 -0400 Message-Id: <200208300352.g7U3qHs01059@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Zaxcoinc@aol.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Stealth cops Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset="US-ASCII" ] [ 16 lines filtered. ] In a message dated 8/23/02 12:47:17 PM Pacific Daylight Time, david.gomes@gambrobct.com writes: > Wouldn't it be great if some of these departments had > to be zero sum cash flows? On this subject belatedly; The CHP is prohibited from lying in wait ( the kind of trap mentioned.) any stories to the contrary, and I'd bet that it happens, though not with the regularity reported. The CHP is prohibited from profiting from the ticket. The money goes to the jurisdiction in which the ticket is written, i.e., county or city, not state. Better just to drive safely. Zack From bens Fri Aug 30 00:28:41 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7U4Sf602424 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 00:28:41 -0400 Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 00:28:40 -0400 Message-Id: <200208300428.g7U4Se502420@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Zaxcoinc@aol.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Help a friend Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset="US-ASCII" ] [ 8 lines filtered. ] Does it only lock up in reverse? Could be bolts walking out of their homes in the diff ring pinion area. It also could be (more likely) a broken spring in one of the brakes, turning the shoe into a self actuating shoe, luckily in the reverse direction. Bet the shoe is hot when running at speed even in forward. G'Luck And you da MAN. Zack From bens Fri Aug 30 00:47:02 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7U4l2Z02631 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 00:47:02 -0400 Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 00:47:02 -0400 Message-Id: <200208300447.g7U4l2O02627@minbar.fourfold.org> From: john hess To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: NCRC Rally Registration Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Mine is here all filled out, has been for weeks. Alex and I are planning on attending. cheers, >Just a reminder if you're thinking about competing in the NCRC rally I'd >like to get registrations in within the next week or two. There are ten >spots taken so far. >Jeremy John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Land Rover Dormobile web pages: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby" 1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" 1999 Bianchi Milano, 2001 Bianchi Pista, 2001 Merlin Extra Fat 2002 Meridian Attache Softride Tandem From bens Fri Aug 30 00:50:55 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7U4otb02670 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 00:50:55 -0400 Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 00:50:55 -0400 Message-Id: <200208300450.g7U4otT02666@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Tom Walsh" To: Cc: Subject: buzzing shifter Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org A friend of myne ( who has my old ride ( a 95 Disco ) ) calls me up today on his way up north and said his shifter ( autobox ) seemed to be buzzing ( like a solenoid going on & off ) . The truck seemed to be running fine ( I told him not to stop, and keep driving to his destination without shutting her down )... Anyhow, I know there is a shift interlock switch, but I don't think a 1995 LT230 transfer case has any solenoids ( unlike say a 1997 D90 does ).... Any clues or thought would be helpful. TomW From bens Fri Aug 30 01:57:31 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7U5vV302918 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 01:57:31 -0400 Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 01:57:30 -0400 Message-Id: <200208300557.g7U5vU402914@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Franklin H. Yap" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Oakland Air (No LR Content) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset=us-ascii ] [ 15 lines filtered. ] --------------030904050702070009090800 Oakland International Airport will hold a 75th anniversary air show, celebrating seven decades of flight at Oakland International Airport, on Sept. 28-29. --------------030904050702070009090800 From bens Fri Aug 30 02:06:00 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7U660802968 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 02:06:00 -0400 Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 02:06:00 -0400 Message-Id: <200208300606.g7U660D02964@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Isaac Fain To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: H2 & Freelander Siting Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org dang. i was hoping you had a nice pic of the freelander winching that hummer thing out of the carwash! back to lurk mode . . . isaac / seattle --- Christopher Dow wrote: > > After having never Seen a Freelander on this continent, I've seen two in > the last two days. I like the way they look more than the other SUVs in > that class. > > Just before seeing the Freelander, I saw an H2 on the freeway, as well. > IMO, the sides are too smooth. They need more ripples, bolts, rivets, > or some such to look serious. It looks like somebody shoved a hose into > an early-nineties Volvo SW and inflated it. [ 4 additional quoted lines pruned. ] __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From bens Fri Aug 30 03:16:45 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7U7GjC03327 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 03:16:45 -0400 Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 03:16:45 -0400 Message-Id: <200208300716.g7U7Gjr03323@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: buzzing shifter Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- Tom Walsh wrote: > > A friend of myne ( who has my old ride ( a 95 Disco ) ) > calls me up today on > his way up north and said his shifter ( autobox ) seemed > to be buzzing ( > like a solenoid going on & off ) . The truck seemed to be > running fine ( I > told him not to stop, and keep driving to his destination > without shutting [ 7 additional quoted lines pruned. ] Very helpfull! ;-) Yeah! it's me.....I climbed into teh Light Brigade this morning on the way up to Santa Rosa/Sea Ranch to hear a strange buzzing sound....thought it was from outside somewhere at first, but put my ear close to teh shifter area to realize it was inside!!! I hadn't even put the key in the ignition. When I started it up all appeared to work, but the buzzing continued.....not sure when it stopped, but it did continue for at least an hour. afterwards it no longer buzzed after repeatedly starting and stopping as I ran back and fourth to teh hardware store four? times trying to fix a leaking toilet(not going into this one right now!!) I recall a conversation about this buzzing four or five years either here on mendo or on the cso list, but do not remember what the cause was.....Jeremy? others? I'l taking all and any suggestions. I can't even do any troubleshooting as teh manuals, troubleshooting guide, the multimeter are all back in Fremont. ;-( Paul __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From bens Fri Aug 30 09:26:39 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7UDQdK05102 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 09:26:39 -0400 Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 09:26:38 -0400 Message-Id: <200208301326.g7UDQcX05098@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Christopher Dow To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: H2 & Freelander Siting Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Isaac Fain wrote: >dang. i was hoping you had a nice pic of the freelander winching that hummer >thing out of the carwash! > > OK, that was really funny. C From bens Fri Aug 30 10:26:18 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7UEQIH05741 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 10:26:18 -0400 Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 10:26:18 -0400 Message-Id: <200208301426.g7UEQI105737@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: buzzing shifter Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "...put my ear close to the shifter area to realize it was inside!!!...." Paul, did you leave your pager in the console again? :^) -Dave G. From bens Fri Aug 30 10:50:32 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7UEoWd06037 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 10:50:32 -0400 Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 10:50:32 -0400 Message-Id: <200208301450.g7UEoWQ06033@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Peter Hope" To: Subject: Re: H2 & Freelander Siting Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > After having never Seen a Freelander on this continent, I've seen two in > the last two days. I like the way they look more than the other SUVs in > that class. I really don't see THAT much of a difference between the freelander, the rav4, and the little honda. Had a chance to see all 3 in a parking lot at the same time. Put them side by side and take a look. Thats just my .02 :-) Pete From bens Fri Aug 30 11:35:47 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7UFZlb06424 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 11:35:47 -0400 Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 11:35:47 -0400 Message-Id: <200208301535.g7UFZlF06420@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Turner, Jon [LFS]" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: Toyota Highlander Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; ] [ 31 lines filtered. ] This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. charset="iso-8859-1" Just saw a funny thing - Toyota Highlander parked next to my HSE. The thing actually had less ground clearance than my RR, and my RR was in its crouching 'exit mode'! Sorry if I have not responded to any posts about the Lost Coast trip. For some reason my mendo list email has been very spotty, and on Wednesday I didn't receive a single message after my posting. Jon Turner '01 RR 4.6 HSE '93 NAS 110 412/500 From bens Fri Aug 30 11:52:08 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7UFq8C06660 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 11:52:08 -0400 Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 11:52:07 -0400 Message-Id: <200208301552.g7UFq7a06656@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Nancy Hart To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: buzzing shifter Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org ok - I could be way off base here as I am certainly no mechanic, but when I first played with my d90 (which is an automatic) I also had a buzzing/ alarm problem near the shifter,and I was able to keep going without any problems. It turned out to be the second set of transfer ? gears wasn't completely engaged. shoving the gear forward to get it fully into low - I was off road - made the noise stop. nancy On Friday, August 30, 2002, at 12:16 AM, Paul Archibald wrote: > > > --- Tom Walsh wrote: >> >> A friend of myne ( who has my old ride ( a 95 Disco ) ) >> calls me up today on >> his way up north and said his shifter ( autobox ) seemed >> to be buzzing ( >> like a solenoid going on & off ) . The truck seemed to be [ 33 additional quoted lines pruned. ] nancyehart@mac.com '97 blued90 #0047 From bens Fri Aug 30 12:00:37 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7UG0bW06763 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 12:00:37 -0400 Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 12:00:36 -0400 Message-Id: <200208301600.g7UG0aX06759@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Eric Johnson" To: Subject: Re: Toyota Highlander Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Same here as far as the mendo e-mail. I can't think of a serious SUV that stuffs it's spare tire underneath. Most are now just good for a ski trip to Tahoe. >>> JTurner4@LFSUS.JNJ.com 08/30/02 08:35AM >>> [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; ] [ 31 lines filtered. ] This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. charset="iso-8859-1" Just saw a funny thing - Toyota Highlander parked next to my HSE. The thing actually had less ground clearance than my RR, and my RR was in its crouching 'exit mode'! Sorry if I have not responded to any posts about the Lost Coast trip. For some reason my mendo list email has been very spotty, and on Wednesday I didn't receive a single message after my posting. Jon Turner '01 RR 4.6 HSE '93 NAS 110 412/500 From bens Fri Aug 30 12:29:17 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7UGTHs07013 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 12:29:17 -0400 Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 12:29:16 -0400 Message-Id: <200208301629.g7UGTGX07009@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Thomas Joyner" To: "Mendo List" Subject: New Pilot Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org All, In case anyone cares to know, as of 12pm MDT yesterday, I am a newly certificated Private Pilot (AESL). Now I need to find a flying Land Rover. Tom 88 RR Durango From bens Fri Aug 30 14:28:14 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7UISER07740 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 14:28:14 -0400 Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 14:28:14 -0400 Message-Id: <200208301828.g7UISE407736@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Bruce R. Bonar" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: New Pilot Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Congratulations! Bruce Thomas Joyner wrote: > In case anyone cares to know, as of 12pm MDT yesterday, I am a newly > certificated Private Pilot (AESL). From bens Fri Aug 30 15:17:16 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7UJHGn08073 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 15:17:16 -0400 Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 15:17:16 -0400 Message-Id: <200208301917.g7UJHGV08069@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Stirling Anderson To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: New Pilot Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org My parents took me to get certified when I was 16, unfortunetly things changed and they couldn't afford to do it for me. I really wish it had been possible. Someday I will build my own ultra-light to cruise above corn fields at 65mph and 300ft. Flying Land Rover you say.... hmmm. It's already got Birmabright all over it, all we need is some gearing hooked up to a prop off a front PTO... and wings I suppose. Congratulations, Stirling. --- Thomas Joyner wrote: > > All, > > In case anyone cares to know, as of 12pm MDT > yesterday, I am a newly > certificated Private Pilot (AESL). Now I need to > find a flying Land Rover. > > Tom [ 3 additional quoted lines pruned. ] __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From bens Fri Aug 30 15:44:23 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7UJiN208314 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 15:44:23 -0400 Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 15:44:23 -0400 Message-Id: <200208301944.g7UJiNk08310@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: New Pilot Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "...Flying Land Rover you say.... hmmm...." You'll see it on Scrapheap Challenge one of these days. :^) We already had the Series 3 diesel amphibious vehicle. It's just a matter of time. -Dave G. From bens Fri Aug 30 16:46:08 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7UKk8908770 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 16:46:08 -0400 Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 16:46:07 -0400 Message-Id: <200208302046.g7UKk7F08766@minbar.fourfold.org> From: James Howard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: New Pilot Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Congratulations! Now we know why it is taking so long to build your 4.2. Thomas Joyner wrote: From bens Fri Aug 30 17:32:51 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7ULWpE09073 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 17:32:51 -0400 Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 17:32:50 -0400 Message-Id: <200208302132.g7ULWo309069@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Bruce R. Bonar" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Fw: Best ever resignation letter(more humor) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Charles R Irvin wrote: > I'm sure that some folks on this list can identify... But with which one Charles? :-) Certainly a fabrication, I hope. What gets me is there are too many people that would sympathize with the employee that should have been fired long ago. The qualities of the so called manager not withstanding, this employee represents some of the worst characteristics found in too many workers today. Bruce [currently looking to hire a mechanical (construction) engineer. If anybody knows one contact me offlist.] > Mr Baker, > > As an employee of an institution of higher education, I have > a few very basic expectations. Chief among these is that my > direct superiors have an intellect that ranges above the > common ground squirrel. > > After your consistent and annoying harassment of myself and > my co-workers during the commission of our duties, I can [ 68 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Fri Aug 30 18:11:20 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7UMBKe09286 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 18:11:20 -0400 Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 18:11:20 -0400 Message-Id: <200208302211.g7UMBKD09282@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Bruce R. Bonar" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Tie Rods Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org After heavy abuse my Fabritron tie rod, and drag link, shows only the slightest distortion. Jeff's correct it will take the full weight of the truck, displace easily 6 inches and spring back to the original straight condition as soon as you pull your truck off the offending boulder. Nothing short of amazing. My highest recommendation for Fabritron Tie Rods. OTOH, I have a set of Fabritron trailing arms I'll sell at a reasonable price unused as they won't work with my suspension. Bruce Jeff Rogers wrote: > you should also look into the Fabritron setup. Ben, > Bruce, Rick and I have been running them for years and I'm pretty sure Rick > is the only one to put a slight bend in one (I witnessed, maybe even > contributed to, the incident that did this damage and I was impressed as > heck with how well the Fabritron tie rod straightened out by itself after > being bent up some six inches). From bens Fri Aug 30 18:27:33 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7UMRXK09352 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 18:27:33 -0400 Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 18:27:33 -0400 Message-Id: <200208302227.g7UMRXn09348@minbar.fourfold.org> From: James Howard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: sighting Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hey, is that WRX still there? Just curious. "Gomes, David" wrote: > > "...Unfortunately, it [WRX] is just a little out of our reach...." > > Credit union here at work has one they re-po'd from a guy who got fired and > couldn't make the payments. Used car of course, and it may be "tweaked" a > bit as the PO was something of a ricky racer type. No outward signs of > trouble except for the donut spare on the LF wheel. Word is they need 22 > for it. It's black. Can look into it further if you want. It's been > sitting here in the parking lot, no plates, for a couple months. [ 2 additional quoted lines pruned. ] -- James Howard Naval Research Lab Code 7215, NPOI Project RR14, Box 447 Lake Mary Road Flagstaff, AZ 86001 +1-928-773-4868 (voice) +1-928-779-9568 (fax) James.Howard@nrl.navy.mil -or- jhoward@sextans.lowell.edu From bens Fri Aug 30 18:41:18 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7UMfI309499 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 18:41:18 -0400 Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 18:41:18 -0400 Message-Id: <200208302241.g7UMfI609495@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Franklin H. Yap" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: VCR Rental (No LR Content) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi all, Is there a place, preferably in the East Bay, that rents PAL VCR for playback? Frank From bens Fri Aug 30 18:47:07 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7UMl7x09541 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 18:47:07 -0400 Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 18:47:07 -0400 Message-Id: <200208302247.g7UMl7109537@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: sighting Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 39 lines filtered. ] sure is. From bens Fri Aug 30 19:07:00 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7UN70W09663 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 19:07:00 -0400 Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 19:07:00 -0400 Message-Id: <200208302307.g7UN70w09659@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Mehdi Saghafi" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: VCR Rental (No LR Content) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org you can covert it to NTSC. The quality is not that great. Access Video on Gilman has doen it for me before. Mehdi On Fri, 30 Aug 2002 18:41:18 -0400 "Franklin H. Yap" wrote: > > Hi all, > > Is there a place, preferably in the East Bay, > that rents PAL VCR for > playback? > > Frank > [ 2 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Fri Aug 30 21:17:30 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7V1HUZ10209 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 21:17:30 -0400 Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 21:17:30 -0400 Message-Id: <200208310117.g7V1HUA10205@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Peter Ogilvie To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: H2 & Freelander Siting Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- Christopher Dow wrote: > > Isaac Fain wrote: > > >dang. i was hoping you had a nice pic of the > freelander winching that hummer > >thing out of the carwash! > > > > > OK, that was really funny. [ 3 additional quoted lines pruned. ] __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From bens Fri Aug 30 21:45:21 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7V1jLZ10341 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 21:45:21 -0400 Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 21:45:21 -0400 Message-Id: <200208310145.g7V1jLY10337@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Christopher Dow To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Sean Murphy Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org You may recall that Leslie posted some information regarding Sean Murphy's (that's Sean A. Murphy, the seriers/101FC owner and Land Rover/Mini mechanic,NOT Sean P. Murphy the D90 owner) trial. I wanted to let those who are interested know that he was acquitted on all counts against him today. I want to take a moment to write a few words regarding this matter, since Sean will likely be in our midst in the future: 1.) Sean was found not guilty in a court of law. That should be enough. but if it's not: 2.) Not one person who knew Sean, Julie, and the kids was willing to testify on behalf of the prosecution in this matter. 3.) Many people who knew Sean, Julie, and the kids testified on Sean's behalf. 4,) The Santa Clara County DA has a 97% conviction rate on cases of this type. 5.) The ADA prosectuing Sean's case (Terry Bowman) has been Trial Lawyer of the Year for the last two years in Sant Clara County. 6.) This is the first case Ms. Bowman has ever lost. So, I hope you will all be kind to Sean and welcome him back when you see him. C From bens Fri Aug 30 21:58:20 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7V1wK010403 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 21:58:20 -0400 Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 21:58:20 -0400 Message-Id: <200208310158.g7V1wK610399@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: heading to Paso Robles... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- Polla Slade wrote: > > Hey all, > > I'm heading to Paso Robles tomorrow afternoon until > Monday afternoon. > > I don't suppose there are any Mendo-ites who are just > incredibly bored, > looking for something to do, and want to come to Paso to [ 2 additional quoted lines pruned. ] should have said something last week! I would have loved to, but made plans to be at the sea ranch cabin..... ;-( Paul __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From bens Fri Aug 30 22:20:00 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7V2K0E10510 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 22:20:00 -0400 Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 22:20:00 -0400 Message-Id: <200208310220.g7V2K0R10506@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Sean Murphy Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Great to hear! I believed in Sean, and am so glan he finally has won, but at the price of so much pain for him while being accused! ;-( Tell Sean Welcome back! ;-) and we hope to start seeing him around soon. Leyt me know when I can start sendingh work his way!! Paul --- Christopher Dow wrote: > > You may recall that Leslie posted some information > regarding Sean > Murphy's (that's Sean A. Murphy, the seriers/101FC owner > and Land > Rover/Mini mechanic,NOT Sean P. Murphy the D90 owner) > trial. I wanted > to let those who are interested know that he was > acquitted on all counts [ 32 additional quoted lines pruned. ] __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From bens Fri Aug 30 22:55:29 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7V2tTM10705 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 22:55:29 -0400 Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 22:55:29 -0400 Message-Id: <200208310255.g7V2tTs10701@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: Mendo Subject: Nur-Dum? or other off-roading around that area on Monday? was Re: Lost Coast this weekend Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Gerry, Granny Joe, are you back in Cotati? ;-) Tom? wanna drive north for a day? ;-) Charles? it's only a few hundred miles for you....others? ;-) I'll be heading on some sort of informal little outing Monday morning from the coastal area possibly somewhere around the Sea ranch to Fort Bragg area or little north? towards ?? not sure yet, possible he nur-dum trip or others.. anyone intersted? I had mentioned something last week, but got little interest, just checking! ;-) Paul --- "G. Mugele" wrote: > At 12:38 PM -0400 8/28/02, Paul Archibald wrote: > >nearby hoping if not a large group, maybe Gerry Mugle, > >Granny or others in North bay area may be bored and want > to > >go up and play in the general vicinity for a day > trip...... > Well, I'd like to but I just don't know at this point. > Please keep > me posted on your plans. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From bens Fri Aug 30 23:21:47 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7V3LlN10831 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 23:21:47 -0400 Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 23:21:46 -0400 Message-Id: <200208310321.g7V3Lku10827@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Turner, Jon [LFS]" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: Recommendations for Central Valley (Stockton) Surplus stores? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; ] [ 19 lines filtered. ] This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. charset="iso-8859-1" Any good military surplus stores out Stockton way? Jon From bens Fri Aug 30 23:49:51 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7V3npA10963 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 23:49:51 -0400 Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 23:49:50 -0400 Message-Id: <200208310349.g7V3no810959@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Granville Pool" To: Subject: Re: Nur-Dum? or other off-roading around that area on Monday? was Re: Lost Coast this weekend Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Paul, Et al., > Gerry, Granny Joe, are you back in Cotati? ;-) Tom? wanna > drive north for a day? ;-) [snip] > > anyone intersted? I had mentioned something last week, but > got little interest, just checking! ;-) Feel free to stop by Road I Land if you're by my way. I will not be able to join you. I took the week off to work on my lagging remodel projects and got sick. I've been lying around miserable with a cold all week and done zero. If I'm well before the long weekend is over, I've got to spend it working. Labor Day, eh? Granny From bens Sat Aug 31 00:35:11 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7V4ZBF12345 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 31 Aug 2002 00:35:11 -0400 Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 00:35:10 -0400 Message-Id: <200208310435.g7V4ZAa12341@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kevin Kelly" To: "Mendo List" Subject: CHP Lying in Wait Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Zack wrote: >The CHP is prohibited from lying in wait ( the kind >of trap mentioned.) any stories to the contrary, and >I'd bet that it happens, though not with the regularity >reported. I drive through the McArthur Tunnel on my way to and from the Golden Gate Bridge over 50 times a week and at least 10% of the time I see the CHP "Lying in Wait" backed in to a hidden corner (on both the north and south side of the tunnel) ready to give tickets to people who don't realize that the speed limit on the divided road (that looks like a freeway) is actually 45mph. The CHP is using Ka band radar almost all the time now so my Valentine 1 detector gives me plenty of advance warning. Kevin Kelly From bens Sat Aug 31 00:37:52 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7V4bqe12435 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 31 Aug 2002 00:37:52 -0400 Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 00:37:52 -0400 Message-Id: <200208310437.g7V4bqw12431@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Tom Walsh" To: Subject: Re: Nur-Dum? or other off-roading around that area on Monday? was Re: Lost Coast this weekend Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org leme see whats up with welcoming Murph back this weekend.... I do have Monday free I think TomW ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Archibald" To: "Mendo" Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 7:55 PM Subject: Nur-Dum? or other off-roading around that area on Monday? was Re: Lost Coast this weekend > > Gerry, Granny Joe, are you back in Cotati? ;-) Tom? wanna > drive north for a day? ;-) Charles? it's only a few hundred > miles for you....others? ;-) > I'll be heading on some sort of informal little outing > Monday morning from the coastal area possibly somewhere > around the Sea ranch to Fort Bragg area or little north? > towards ?? not sure yet, possible he nur-dum trip or > others.. [ 24 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Sat Aug 31 01:01:34 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7V51YB12602 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 31 Aug 2002 01:01:34 -0400 Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 01:01:34 -0400 Message-Id: <200208310501.g7V51YV12598@minbar.fourfold.org> From: joe mulqueen To: mendo Subject: coatings and costs Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hello, I have info for anyone considering painting their vehicle with single stage urethane. From cheapest to the most expensive paints, it's: Acrylic enamel (such as Dupont Centari), single stage acrylic urethanes, and then two stage (base/clearcoat) paints. I painted my Rover with Centari and a friend painted my jag with same to good results. It's fairly safe for the home user if hardener is used sparingly (or not at all). Catalyzed urethanes are very toxic and should be applied using a supplied air mask. For my Austin Healey chassis, my painter prefers the single stage urethane but wants me to purchase the silvery blue color due to potential color variation and resulting finger pointing. Anyway, I purchased single stage PPG "DCC Concept" metallic urethane (the color stuff). Cost was $217/gal plus reducer and activator or $452 for 5 qts plus reducer/activator/tax! This qty will not cover the entire car so I'll be spending a few more $$$ just on color paint. Metallics supposedly cost a bit more but I'm not sure just how much. I think paint dealers must be gouging the walkup individual while giving the shops a pro discount. Note: Single stage automotive grade paints (enamel or urethane) are not common in most CA metropolitan counties. JoeM __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From bens Sat Aug 31 01:33:14 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7V5XEx12715 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 31 Aug 2002 01:33:14 -0400 Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 01:33:14 -0400 Message-Id: <200208310533.g7V5XEe12711@minbar.fourfold.org> From: joe mulqueen To: mendo Subject: re. Re: Fw: Best ever resignation letter(more humor) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Bruce, Thanks for saying what I'd been thinking. JFM Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 17:32:50 -0400 From: "Bruce R. Bonar" Subject: Re: Fw: Best ever resignation letter(more humor) Charles R Irvin wrote: > I'm sure that some folks on this list can identify... But with which one Charles? :-) Certainly a fabrication, I hope. What gets me is there are too many people that would sympathize with the employee __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From bens Sat Aug 31 01:43:08 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7V5h8G12774 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 31 Aug 2002 01:43:08 -0400 Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 01:43:08 -0400 Message-Id: <200208310543.g7V5h8B12770@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "APG:BEN" To: Subject: Re:New pilot Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Fraternal congrats from your Downunder brethren. Now you've joined us in an even more select and happy breed of poverty: Land Rovers and Aviation. But it's sure fun, isn't it! Now, if I could only get my hands on the Land Rover of all aircraft, The Wirraway - or to you good Roverites Sateside. Incidentally, ? is there a Land Rover version of our Downunder macho aviator's spin on the basics of flying: 1. The three most useless things to a pilot are the altitude above him, the runway behind him, and the fuel in the truck. 2. The most common last words in the cockpit: "I think I can make it" (Except in Darwin where it's: "Hold my beer - watch this!") 3. A woman's place is in the cockpit ...... serving coffee to the Captain. 4. A good landing is one that you walk away from. Its a great landing if you can use the aircraft again. 5. Good rule of thumb: Dirty side down. 6. IFR means "instrument flight rules", not "I follow roads" 7. Your aircraft belongs to you until the engine fails, then it belongs to the insurance company. You then use their aircraft to save your a#$!. 8. Save your a#$!, your licence, and the aircraft, in that order (see #7) 9. If you lose your engine at night, turn on the landing light as you approach the ground. If you do not like what you see, turn it off. And a comment: Progress in airline flying: now a flight attendant can get a pilot pregnant? ...... In theory, yes, but certainly not in Enzed or Malaysia. Solange (and T Ted in absentia because he's in the desert in the 109) From bens Sat Aug 31 01:48:39 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7V5mdG12807 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 31 Aug 2002 01:48:39 -0400 Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 01:48:38 -0400 Message-Id: <200208310548.g7V5mcZ12803@minbar.fourfold.org> From: joe mulqueen To: mendo Subject: re. Nur-Dum? or other off-roading around that area on Monday? was.... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I'm in Cotati at the moment but need to be in LA before Tuesday morning to deliver materials for my Healey paint job. Also, I'll unfortunately miss the Pismo trip due to a friend's engagement party. I WILL be at the Palo Alto All British show Sunday Sept 8. Anyone else? Joe Mulqueen '67 SIIA 109 SW Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 22:55:29 -0400 From: Paul Archibald Subject: Nur-Dum? or other off-roading around that area on Monday? was Re: Lost Coast this weekend Gerry, Granny Joe, are you back in Cotati? ;-) Tom? wanna drive north for a day? ;-) Charles? it's only a few hundred miles for you....others? ;-) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From bens Sat Aug 31 02:11:12 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7V6BC212922 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 31 Aug 2002 02:11:12 -0400 Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 02:11:11 -0400 Message-Id: <200208310611.g7V6BBc12918@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: re. Nur-Dum? or other off-roading around that area on Monday? was.... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Paul, others, Petra and I were planning to do a recce up that way and farther with Jon and Emily in their 110 as well but we had a medical issue come up with one of Petra's friends from work and we had to cancel at the last minute... Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 From bens Sat Aug 31 04:39:46 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7V8dk613661 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 31 Aug 2002 04:39:46 -0400 Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 04:39:46 -0400 Message-Id: <200208310839.g7V8dkI13657@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Tom Walsh" To: Subject: Re: Sean Murphy Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hey folks, I have been a friend of Sean, before this mess, and after he was released on bail over a year and a half ago, and while in custody.... My goal was to have the work he did on my rigs while on bail help pay for his bills and defense ( which it did help !!! )... I knew many of the facts in the case and saw some of the trial... he is innocent.... ( as proven... absolutely NO EVIDENCE!!!!! only MEAN PEOPLE ( MEAN, lying political folks SUCK!!! the poor guy) ). Sean may be using one of my vehicles until he is good and ready not to.... I will be hiring him for some work if he wants... I suggest you do also... He is good! He is effective.....This will make up for the injustices done to him over the last 1.7 years....., also a big thanks to Chris D... who did even more for Sean. Three cheers for the Dows and Sean's Lawyer... as his first one sucked! TomW ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher Dow" To: Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 6:45 PM Subject: Sean Murphy > > You may recall that Leslie posted some information regarding Sean > Murphy's (that's Sean A. Murphy, the seriers/101FC owner and Land > Rover/Mini mechanic,NOT Sean P. Murphy the D90 owner) trial. I wanted > to let those who are interested know that he was acquitted on all counts > against him today. From bens Sat Aug 31 09:48:58 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7VDmwi14756 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 31 Aug 2002 09:48:58 -0400 Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 09:48:58 -0400 Message-Id: <200208311348.g7VDmwa14752@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Joe Smo To: mendo_list Subject: reverse gate Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I am looking for a reverse gate for a series transmission and the small bracket for securing the middle bench seat in a 109 to the floor. if anyone is willing to part with these please contact me off list. thank you joe __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From bens Sat Aug 31 10:49:55 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7VEntH15009 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 31 Aug 2002 10:49:55 -0400 Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 10:49:55 -0400 Message-Id: <200208311449.g7VEntn15005@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Peter Hope" To: Subject: Re: Sean Murphy Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Do a search for Chris Fisher, in the 96 and early 97 LRO posts he used ChrisF6724@aol.com as his email. If you google that you get 43 posts from LRO. In late 97 he started using the the email address fisherrktx@aol.com when responding to LRO posts. This email is also registered to: Renee Fisher, SDA Fisher Associates, Architect and Engineers 2305 W. Berry Avenue Denver, Colorado 80120 303-795-1643 Fax 303-795-5341 Some of Chris's posts mention Colorado, so maybe the spouse? Do a search for both and find this bit in the Littleton, CO gov page http://www.littletongov.org/council/2002/agendas/April16.pdf Chris Fisher is the principle of the Architecture fir, they built a ferrari dealership in Littleton in 2001. And that led me to this http://www.fisher-associates.com/profile.html Go to the firms contact page, call em up and ask for Chris :-) Not sure why Chris left the list. He did take a bunch of flak from people when he discussed putting different powerplant into his Rover. Hmmm, ever heard that before. hahaha Pete ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Walsh" To: Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 10:39 PM Subject: Re: Sean Murphy > > Hey folks, I have been a friend of Sean, before this mess, and after he was > released on bail over a year and a half ago, and while in custody.... My > goal was to have the work he did on my rigs while on bail help pay for his > bills and defense ( which it did help !!! )... > I knew many of the facts in the case and saw some of the trial... he is > innocent.... ( as proven... absolutely NO EVIDENCE!!!!! only MEAN PEOPLE ( > MEAN, lying political folks SUCK!!! the poor guy) ). Sean may be using one > of my vehicles until he is good and ready not to.... I will be hiring him > for some work if he wants... I suggest you do also... He is good! He is > effective.....This will make up for the injustices done to him over the last > 1.7 years....., also a big thanks to Chris D... who did even more for Sean. From bens Sat Aug 31 11:40:47 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7VFelM15283 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 31 Aug 2002 11:40:47 -0400 Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 11:40:47 -0400 Message-Id: <200208311540.g7VFelK15279@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Zaxcoinc@aol.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: New Pilot Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset="US-ASCII" ] [ 12 lines filtered. ] In a message dated 8/30/02 9:29:54 AM Pacific Daylight Time, tjoyner@earthlink.net writes: > Now I need to find a flying Land Rover. > > Luscombe 8-A. 65 HP, hand start, no radio, incredibly loud, and goes anywhere. 2,000 hours or so. OK, not controlled fields, but who wants to go there anyway? Zack From bens Sat Aug 31 13:01:46 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7VH1k015905 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 31 Aug 2002 13:01:46 -0400 Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 13:01:46 -0400 Message-Id: <200208311701.g7VH1k315901@minbar.fourfold.org> From: john hess To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: coatings and costs Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I think most places a Land Rover owner might deal with gouge the walk up customer. What gets really bad is when you don't get what you want. I was talking to a friend of a friend last night and we compared powder coat experiences. When I picked up the Dormie rack, it had light scratches in it. Certainly not what I expected. I had other experiences trying to get the Dormie seat bases painted. the shop owner (highly recommended) made it seem like I was being unreasonable wanting paint on all the parts of the seat bases! BTW, last time I bought paint (for Stubby, several years ago) the receipt was stamped a couple places that paint was only sold to licensed paint shops registered with the Air Quality/smog folks. The shop knew from 1 minute of discussion I wasn't a pro, but sold me the paint and primer. >but I'm not sure just how much. I think paint dealers >must be gouging the walkup individual while giving the >shops a pro discount. >Note: Single stage automotive grade paints (enamel or >urethane) are not common in most CA metropolitan >counties. >JoeM > > [ 4 additional quoted lines pruned. ] John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Land Rover Dormobile web pages: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby" 1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" 1999 Bianchi Milano, 2001 Bianchi Pista, 2001 Merlin Extra Fat 2002 Meridian Attache Softride Tandem From bens Sat Aug 31 13:19:03 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7VHJ3q15970 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 31 Aug 2002 13:19:03 -0400 Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 13:19:02 -0400 Message-Id: <200208311719.g7VHJ2f15966@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jason Pipes To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: dead gauges on dash... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I've been trying to trouble shoot some gauges on my dash that don't seem to be working at all. The oil pressure and voltmeter gauge on the 110's dash are both dead. First the voltmeter gauge died sometime ago, and then while actually on the road coming back from a trip the oil pressure gauge also died. On both gauges the back lights don't work either. One issue that may have lead to their going dead is shortly before the first gauge died I was working on removing the dash to scout options for a customization project. What I'm wondering is if anyone has any comments regarding the fail points or places to check on a non-working gauge. I tried to check the connections on the back of the gauges without fully removing the dash again but that didn't seem to do any good at all. Jason Pipes jpipes@feldgrau.com www.feldgrau.com 1993 NAS Land Rover Defender 110 #165/500 From bens Sat Aug 31 13:31:21 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7VHVLQ16060 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 31 Aug 2002 13:31:21 -0400 Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 13:31:21 -0400 Message-Id: <200208311731.g7VHVL816056@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Tom Walsh" To: Subject: Re: Sean Murphy Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org ?? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Hope" To: Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2002 7:49 AM Subject: Re: Sean Murphy > > Do a search for Chris Fisher, in the 96 and early 97 LRO posts he used > ChrisF6724@aol.com as his email. > If you google that you get 43 posts from LRO. > In late 97 he started using the the email address fisherrktx@aol.com when > responding to LRO posts. > This email is also registered to: > Renee Fisher, SDA > Fisher Associates, Architect and Engineers [ 8 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ferrari > dealership in Littleton in 2001. > And that led me to this > http://www.fisher-associates.com/profile.html > > Go to the firms contact page, call em up and ask for Chris :-) > > Not sure why Chris left the list. He did take a bunch of flak from people > when he discussed putting different powerplant into his Rover. Hmmm, ever > heard that before. hahaha [ 15 additional quoted lines pruned. ] his > > bills and defense ( which it did help !!! )... > > I knew many of the facts in the case and saw some of the trial... he is > > innocent.... ( as proven... absolutely NO EVIDENCE!!!!! only MEAN PEOPLE ( > > MEAN, lying political folks SUCK!!! the poor guy) ). Sean may be using > one > > of my vehicles until he is good and ready not to.... I will be hiring him > > for some work if he wants... I suggest you do also... He is good! He is > > effective.....This will make up for the injustices done to him over the > last > > 1.7 years....., also a big thanks to Chris D... who did even more for > Sean. > From bens Sat Aug 31 14:32:35 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7VIWZj16333 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 31 Aug 2002 14:32:35 -0400 Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 14:32:34 -0400 Message-Id: <200208311832.g7VIWY416329@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Peter Ogilvie To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: coatings and costs Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org When I used to work on boats, had a commercial account with a couple of Marine stores. My price on paint was 50% of the retail price marked on the can. With the advent of the discount marine stores, markup has probably gone down for the retail customers. You can count on the fact that the stores are making money, however. Unless you have some kind of relationship with a supplier, your painter can probably get a much better price on paint than you can as a walkup customer. Did I hear metallic paint going on a Healey 3000??? That's more heretical than putting a 450 chevy in an 88. Aloha Peter O. --- john hess wrote: > > I think most places a Land Rover owner might deal > with gouge the walk > up customer. What gets really bad is when you don't > get what you > want. I was talking to a friend of a friend last > night and we > compared powder coat experiences. When I picked up > the Dormie rack, [ 49 additional quoted lines pruned. ] __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com From bens Sat Aug 31 14:56:13 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7VIuDn16443 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 31 Aug 2002 14:56:13 -0400 Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 14:56:12 -0400 Message-Id: <200208311856.g7VIuCx16439@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Christopher Dow To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: dead gauges on dash... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org My lights on the right-hand panel died right after I bought the 110. My OP gauge died about 18 months ago. Actually it became intermittently-functional, but mosty dead. I'd be interested to know what could be the cause, as well. C From bens Sat Aug 31 15:06:54 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7VJ6sf16491 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 31 Aug 2002 15:06:54 -0400 Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 15:06:54 -0400 Message-Id: <200208311906.g7VJ6sf16487@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Peter Hope" To: Subject: Re: Sean Murphy Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Damn, replied to the wrong post ooops :-) Pete > > ?? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Peter Hope" > To: > Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2002 7:49 AM > Subject: Re: Sean Murphy From bens Sat Aug 31 15:12:52 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7VJCqx16537 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 31 Aug 2002 15:12:52 -0400 Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 15:12:51 -0400 Message-Id: <200208311912.g7VJCpw16533@minbar.fourfold.org> From: LRDino@aol.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #835 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi All, Hope to join NCRC in next month's Pismo Beach run. Tally Ho, 95 Manual Disco 1, just turned 118,000 miles. She's still pretty much stock. The pilot bearing is starting to rear its ugly sound occasionally, but my Rover mechanic thinks for $650.00 he can silence the offending sound. Have never sand dune before but willing to give it a try. Comments please. Dino G Sacramento, CA From bens Sat Aug 31 16:06:36 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7VK6ah16790 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 31 Aug 2002 16:06:36 -0400 Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 16:06:35 -0400 Message-Id: <200208312006.g7VK6ZI16786@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Tom Walsh" To: Subject: Re: Sean Murphy Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I thoughts so! :) TomW ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Hope" To: Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2002 12:06 PM Subject: Re: Sean Murphy > > Damn, replied to the wrong post ooops > :-) > Pete > > > > > ?? > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Peter Hope" [ 5 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Sat Aug 31 17:52:07 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7VLq7l17220 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 31 Aug 2002 17:52:07 -0400 Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 17:52:06 -0400 Message-Id: <200208312152.g7VLq6x17216@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Keith Shukait To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Sean Murphy Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Chris, I met Sean first over by JT McHarts Pizza in Cupertino, it was before I bought my first 109 and joined the club. He was really nice and showed the whole family his 101. He answered all our questions and let the kids check it all out. He was also quite surprised I knew what it was. After I bought Millie I took her over his house to have him look things over and we checked out his 88 that he owned for what I think was a very long time. Although I didn't know him very well he seemed like a real nice guy and was very knowledgeable about Land Rovers. You and Leslie are great friends to stand by him through all the strife and are good people for doing so. There are a lot of folks wrongly accused of many things and their lives get destroyed in the process. God speed in getting things back to normal. Welcome Sean Cheers, Keith & Pam Shukait Northern California Rover Club 1997 Land Rover Discovery XD "YLLWJKT" 1969 Land Rover Series IIA ExMoD 109 Regular "Millie" 1967 Land Rover Series IIA NADA 6 Cylinder Dormobile "Indiana" From bens Sat Aug 31 18:02:53 2002 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g7VM2rH17270 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 31 Aug 2002 18:02:53 -0400 Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 18:02:53 -0400 Message-Id: <200208312202.g7VM2rG17266@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: dead gauges on dash... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi, Because the lights are also dead I'd be looking at the grounding of the instruments or the panel if it is common. Bob B At 10:19 AM 8/31/2002, you wrote: >I've been trying to trouble shoot some gauges on my dash that don't seem to >be working at all. The oil pressure and voltmeter gauge on the 110's dash >are both dead. First the voltmeter gauge died sometime ago, and then while >actually on the road coming back from a trip the oil pressure gauge also >died. On both gauges the back lights don't work either. > >One issue that may have lead to their going dead is shortly before the first >gauge died I was working on removing the dash to scout options for a >customization project. [ 11 additional quoted lines pruned. ]