From bens Tue Jul 1 11:06:12 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h61F6Cix030814 for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 11:06:12 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h61F6CDZ030813 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 11:06:12 -0400 Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 11:06:12 -0400 Message-Id: <200307011506.h61F6CRq030809@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: Friends Friends of Triumph Cc: Triumph Triumph list Subject: Great Race day 10 added Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/enriched; ] [ 30 lines filtered. ] --Apple-Mail-2--692111262 charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Day 10 has been added to The Team Scrappy Great Race saga "How do you practice for driving in a hurricane? Tropical storm Bill=20 hit us in Florence, Alabama, and boy did we get wet. We've never driven=20= the TR in such conditions before: the best analogy is like driving=20 through a car wash for 2 hours." http://www.britishpacific.com/scrappy2003/scrappy.html Today Team Scrappy drives from Chattanoga, TN to Concord, NC=00 GOOOO Team Scrappy !!!!!!!!!! TeriAnn J. Wakeman Marigold Ltd. www.marigoldltd.com --Apple-Mail-2--692111262 From bens Tue Jul 1 11:33:16 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h61FXGix030883 for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 11:33:16 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h61FXGDS030882 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 11:33:16 -0400 Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 11:33:16 -0400 Message-Id: <200307011533.h61FXGJr030878@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: Another tire to try Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 36 lines filtered. ] I ordered a set of Bridgestone Dueler A/T Revo tires for Cheryl's Rangie from the Tire rack. I called my local tire guy to ask if he could get them and he said, "Heck, if the Rack has them in stock, buy them there and ship to me. I know I can't beat their price" I told him I appreciated his being there and didn't mind cutting him a little profit by him ordering the tires from him. He thought it would be "silly" for me to pay more than I needed to and said he'd have no problem at all just doing the installation. Tire rack did make a big point of telling me that they were noting in the sale records that "buyer takes responsibility for any fitment or use issues with this size", but they were happy to take my money. I went for the load range D tires (as opposed to E also available), in 215/85-16. Thanks again John B. for all the great info on RangeRovers.net where I was able to confirm the tall skinny tires would fit with the stock springs. I know Granny's told me this before, but my memory being what it isn't, it sure is nice to be able to confirm in print. Plus, I found the reference to some back way drives into Bodie that we might try this fall as we explore the White Mountains and other Eastern Sierra areas on our yearly post-labor day trip. Thanks! -Dave G. From bens Tue Jul 1 12:24:03 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h61GO3ix030941 for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 12:24:03 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h61GO3a4030940 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 12:24:03 -0400 Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 12:24:02 -0400 Message-Id: <200307011624.h61GO2wG030936@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Stuart & Noni Convery" To: "mendo_recce" Subject: Great trip Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; ] [ 40 lines filtered. ] charset="iso-8859-1" Much thanks to Eric and Brig for a great first trip for us. We made it = through in our 59, Series II just fine. Eric and I had worked out the = bugs just last week and he assured me that it would get through if the = driver did. Both worked out good. Noni and I enjoyed the trip, = meeting new friends and the good food. You people really know how to = have a great time. Thanks to everyone that helped to create a great = successful trip for all. Hope to see everyone plus others again soon. =20 I am looking for some half doors for my Series, the full doors needed to = be removed to see and would like some short ones. Stu & Noni = -------------------------------------------------------------------------= --------- Dial Broadband has arrived in California! Up to 5 times faster than tradi= tional dialup connections from $13.33/month! See the demo for yourself at= http://www.BigValley.net= From bens Tue Jul 1 14:18:46 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h61IIkix031070 for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 14:18:46 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h61IIkQM031069 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 14:18:46 -0400 Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 14:18:45 -0400 Message-Id: <200307011818.h61IIjTL031065@minbar.fourfold.org> From: shukait@mac.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: Tires and diffs Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Dave, > Do you do a lot of towing Keith? We sold the Airstream because we'll use the Dormobile for camping when she's finished. I'm looking at a 2300 lb. fishing boat, and ther Disco should have no trouble with that as it did fine with the 4500 lb. Airstream. > If not, the disco will handle either of > those tires just fine. I had 7.50-16s (taller than 235/85 but > narrower so > no rubbing) on my '98 Disco with OME MD springs. I did just fine on > my 4000 > ft commute from and to 9,000 ft. Even towed a Coleman camper out I70 > to > Great Basin NP with the car loaded with four people, dog, etc. It did > okay, [ 5 additional quoted lines pruned. ] You have to down shift on the big hills, drive 3 pulled the Airstream of the steepest part of 152 with no lugging and decent speed. > I'd say your best bet is to borrow a set from someone and try > them out. Any 16" series rim will bolt right up to the disco (and look > better too, IMHO). YOu should be able to find some 235/85s out there > to > try. Don't take them off road, as they won't stuff in your stock wheel > wells, but for a bit of freeway, you'll be fine. The upgrade is so I can wheel more so it looks like the 235 85s are out. I'll decide between a 235/75R16 that only drops it to 3.5:1 or the 215/85R16 that will drop it to 3.37. > > Theoretically you'll loose a bit of engine braking as well, but that's > already practically non-existent, so it wasn't a big deal to me. I've noticed the same thing, I'm a little disappointed there. > The > biggest argument against the 235/85s is the fender cutting you'll have > to do > to make them fit. That just doesn't sound like your bag, unless you're > turning over a new leaf. :^) You got me pegged pretty good ;^) No cutting here... > The only cutting I had to do to get the 7.50s > (on series steel wheels) to fully stuff on all 4 corners of the 98 was > to > remove a small triangle (about 3/4" on a side) from the horizontal lip > of > the rear fender behind the rear wheel. And that was only because my > criteria was that I be able to run the thickness of my palm all the way > around the tire at all times. If I'd only wanted it to "just clear" I > could [ 1 additional quoted lines pruned. ] Cool. > PS - no matter what you do, treat your transmission right with a filter > change and 12qt fluid flush every 30k. I get all the services done so my 100,000 mile 6 year B to B warranty stays in effect. > Good luck! Thanks Keith From bens Tue Jul 1 14:32:40 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h61IWeix031136 for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 14:32:40 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h61IWep3031135 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 14:32:40 -0400 Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 14:32:40 -0400 Message-Id: <200307011832.h61IWech031131@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Mark Pilkington To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Volvo C303 Axles Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org What does anyone know of the value of a set of Volvo C303 axles. They bolt right onto a Land Rover, Jeep, Toyota, Pinzgauer ect. They are portal axles with a reduction gear to give about 10 inches increased clearance from the diff pumpkin. They have vacuum perated air lockers in both front and rear What are they worth? I have access to two new sets and 10 old ones. Kind regards, Mark Pilkington From bens Tue Jul 1 15:21:06 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h61JL6ix031191 for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 15:21:06 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h61JL6Bd031190 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 15:21:06 -0400 Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 15:21:06 -0400 Message-Id: <200307011921.h61JL6Ha031186@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Volvo C303 Axles Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Consider the pinion direction. I don't know about the Volvos, but it's an issue with some other axles and portals. -Dave G. From bens Tue Jul 1 15:27:21 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h61JRLix031222 for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 15:27:21 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h61JRLkI031221 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 15:27:21 -0400 Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 15:27:21 -0400 Message-Id: <200307011927.h61JRLkq031217@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Tires and diffs Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "...I get all the services done so my 100,000 mile 6 year B to B warranty stays in effect....." According to the ZF engineers I've spoken to, the standard LR service on the ZF 4HP22 (I THINK that's the number) will get you nothing but a new trans in 150k. If I remember right, they call for a fluid and filter change at 30k, and then forget about it, or maybe fluid change every 60k thereafter at best. This same guy told me that if you do a double fluid change and a filter change every 30,000 miles, that transmission will basically last forever. If you do any towing, I'd be at least doing a double fluid change (drain and fill the pan twice about 100 miles apart) every 30,000, and probably filter (mainly to pull the pan for a wipe-down) every 60k. -Dave G. From bens Tue Jul 1 15:43:57 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h61Jhvix031250 for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 15:43:57 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h61Jhvp4031249 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 15:43:57 -0400 Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 15:43:57 -0400 Message-Id: <200307011943.h61Jhvsr031245@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Mark Pilkington To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Volvo C303 Axles Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org They fit and they work and they are the right wheelbase, I was just wondering about the value of them if anyone knew. Thanks. "Gomes, David" wrote: > Consider the pinion direction. I don't know about the Volvos, but it's an > issue with some other axles and portals. > > -Dave G. From bens Tue Jul 1 16:45:28 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h61KjSix031416 for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 16:45:28 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h61KjSk9031415 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 16:45:28 -0400 Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 16:45:27 -0400 Message-Id: <200307012045.h61KjRpb031411@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Joe Ward To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: Volvo C303 Axles Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 18 lines filtered. ] I seem to remember seeing a pair for sale at 3500$ several months ago. Don't know what the actual selling price was, though. Joe Ward Technical Writer ventaso 415.364.6475 jward@ventaso.com Ventaso - the Customer Message Management solution. www.ventaso.com From bens Tue Jul 1 17:09:08 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h61L98ix031455 for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 17:09:08 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h61L9847031454 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 17:09:08 -0400 Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 17:09:08 -0400 Message-Id: <200307012109.h61L98AG031450@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Mark Pilkington To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Volvo C303 Axles Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Thanks. Joe Ward wrote: > [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] > [ Included Original Message ] > [ 18 lines filtered. ] > I seem to remember seeing a pair for sale at 3500$ several months ago. Don't > know what the actual selling price was, though. > > Joe Ward > Technical Writer > ventaso [ 5 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Tue Jul 1 17:26:23 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h61LQNix031487 for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 17:26:23 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h61LQNi1031486 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 17:26:23 -0400 Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 17:26:22 -0400 Message-Id: <200307012126.h61LQMDO031482@minbar.fourfold.org> From: charles phu To: mendo Subject: sf tour photos Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset=us-ascii ] [ 14 lines filtered. ] Hi all, The photos I took for the sf tour last week, including photos of my nada 6 that Keith took and needed. http://photos.yahoo.com/charlesphu2 Keith, I'lll upload two extra photos that I took of you and William soon. you can download them from there. Again, tanks for Jason and Petra organizing the tour. very unique event for the club. It's also a good opportunity to test my newly installed Fairey free wheel hubs, newly rebuilt (almost all new parts) front hub, front brakes, refurnished frame. they all worked well. cp --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! From bens Tue Jul 1 17:41:08 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h61Lf8ix031513 for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 17:41:08 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h61Lf8hU031512 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 17:41:08 -0400 Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 17:41:08 -0400 Message-Id: <200307012141.h61Lf8Y7031508@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Brian Horner To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: sf tour photos Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Great pictures... thanks for sharing! Brian On Tuesday, July 1, 2003, at 02:26 PM, charles phu wrote: > > [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] > [ text/html; charset=us-ascii ] > [ 14 lines filtered. ] > > Hi all, > > The photos I took for the sf tour last week, including photos of my > nada 6 that Keith took and needed. [ 17 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Tue Jul 1 17:44:04 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h61Li4ix031530 for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 17:44:04 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h61Li45W031529 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 17:44:04 -0400 Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 17:44:03 -0400 Message-Id: <200307012144.h61Li3XK031525@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Eric Johnson" To: Subject: Re: Volvo C303 Axles Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org What are they worth? I have access to two new sets and 10 old ones. Kind regards, Mark Pilkington Pay no attention to Mr. Ward. He is hallucinating. Too many "0"'s. $350.00 would be about right, though. Are they 4.7:1? Or? From bens Tue Jul 1 17:45:26 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h61LjQix031543 for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 17:45:26 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h61LjQot031542 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 17:45:26 -0400 Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 17:45:25 -0400 Message-Id: <200307012145.h61LjPVw031538@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: Mendo Subject: more rangie LWB woes! ;-( Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Well, The '93 LWB rangie is still suferin'! :-( I replaced the Mass-Airflow Sensor with a correct 5AM that I had bought accidently from APE last year(we are returning the 3AM one that we were sent by Rover Cannibal...they insist it's the exact same thing with a different name, but it had different # of pins and is after all made for a 3.9 instead of a 4.2)....and after disconnecting the battery to clear the code, adjusted teh timing to the correct 8 degrees, and re-started, it ran great! NO Codes at all on the code box....... BUT...... after a little drive of a couple miles(warmed up?), the problem of the stumbling idle when in gear came back. ;-( it stumbles at around 450 rpm with burping kinda (backfire?)sound in intake.. When in neutral or park it will idle at ~1200 rpm...interesting...wonder why? right now the only way to drive is to put in neutral...revv the engine 'til it catches...dump into drive whit wheel chirp! ;-( and go on my way. it stumbles when under 2000 rpm. any ideas? Suggestions? I will attempt to remove/clean the idle air valve thingy on the back of the plenum in a bit, and the purge valve on the charcoal cannister, but do not know where else to check. Elisa just called, and after driving the Series III all the way to Fresno, she is still in love with it! Yeah! a keeper! ;-) Paul '93 Rangie LWB and '72 series III (yeah! will explain later!) ;-) .... and all my usual stuff y'all know about... __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From bens Tue Jul 1 18:00:53 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h61M0rix031568 for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 18:00:53 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h61M0rWi031567 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 18:00:53 -0400 Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 18:00:53 -0400 Message-Id: <200307012200.h61M0rXU031563@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Joe Ward To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: Volvo C303 Axles Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 18 lines filtered. ] Hey Now! I didn't say I knew what they were worth, only what someone was trying to sell some for. (www.real4x4.com or something). Joe Ward Technical Writer ventaso 415.364.6475 jward@ventaso.com Ventaso - the Customer Message Management solution. www.ventaso.com From bens Tue Jul 1 18:14:26 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h61MEQix031592 for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 18:14:26 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h61MEQB8031591 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 18:14:26 -0400 Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 18:14:26 -0400 Message-Id: <200307012214.h61MEQ2k031587@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Shane Ballensky To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: Volvo C303 Axles Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org At 12:21 PM 7/1/03, you wrote: >Consider the pinion direction. I don't know about the Volvos, but it's an >issue with some other axles and portals. This is a fallacy with the commonly available portals.(those being unimog 404's and the volvo's.) Shane From bens Tue Jul 1 18:19:59 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h61MJxix031609 for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 18:19:59 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h61MJxAB031608 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 18:19:59 -0400 Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 18:19:58 -0400 Message-Id: <200307012219.h61MJwdJ031604@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Shane Ballensky To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Volvo C303 Axles Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I think fair price is $2000 a pair for used ones. I have seen some really jacked up prices, but don't know if anyone ever paid them. BTW I would be interested if you end up getting them to sell. There are centered and offset rear diffs. Of coarse the LR people want the offset rear. The gear ratio's are like 5.93:1 or 7.xx:1. The 5 somethings being more desirable. At 11:32 AM 7/1/03, you wrote: >What does anyone know of the value of a set of Volvo C303 axles. They bolt >right onto a Land Rover, Jeep, Toyota, Pinzgauer ect. They are portal axles >with a reduction gear to give about 10 inches increased clearance from the >diff pumpkin. They have vacuum perated air lockers in both front and rear >What are they worth? I have access to two new sets and 10 old ones. >Kind regards, >Mark Pilkington Shane From bens Tue Jul 1 18:40:49 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h61Menix031629 for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 18:40:49 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h61MendN031628 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 18:40:49 -0400 Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 18:40:49 -0400 Message-Id: <200307012240.h61MenZO031624@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Mark Pilkington To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Volvo C303 Axles Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Shane. I have been seeing about $2000 to $3000 for a pair as well for good used ones. I have access to three pairs of new ones as well. I'll let you know if I get them. Kind regards, Mark Pilkington Shane Ballensky wrote: > I think fair price is $2000 a pair for used ones. > I have seen some really jacked up prices, but don't know if anyone ever > paid them. > > BTW I would be interested if you end up getting them to sell. > > There are centered and offset rear diffs. Of coarse the LR people want the > offset rear. > The gear ratio's are like 5.93:1 or 7.xx:1. [ 13 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Tue Jul 1 21:22:50 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h621Moix031826 for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 21:22:50 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h621MnnP031824 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 21:22:49 -0400 Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 21:22:49 -0400 Message-Id: <200307020122.h621MngT031810@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: TAW/ Portland ABFM Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Cool/bummer: I think the rib cookoff in Reno is the same weekend.......:( Wonder if I can finagle making it to both events - but this would rule out taking a Series to Portland. Charles On Mon, 30 Jun 2003 11:57:25 -0400 TeriAnn Wakeman writes: > > > What's the date for Portland??? Janet and I are thinking about > it... > > It is always the labour day weekend, which is early this year. It > starts on the afternoon of Friday 29 Aug. > > I normally spend about 4 and a half days driving up the coast, sight > [ 51 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! From bens Tue Jul 1 21:22:50 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h621Moix031831 for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 21:22:50 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h621MoOv031827 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 21:22:50 -0400 Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 21:22:49 -0400 Message-Id: <200307020122.h621MnLZ031817@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: more rangie LWB woes! ;-( Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Paul, yes - check the stepper motor: when did she last have the O2 sensors replaced? The coolant temp sensor? ( NOT the one for the gauge, but the other one) I have a similar problem with my Rangie...have replaced the O2 sensors over 45,000 miles ago, so am thinking about doing it again. My stepper motor was replaced with a questionable used one, so I thinketh I'll be ordering a new one of those while I'm at it. Was just in Fresno...it's 95F there right now! I stopped to look at some stuff from a machine shop that was being auctioned off. Of course, all the good stuff was taken by the owners before the tax people showed up, and only the junk was left. :( Charles On Tue, 1 Jul 2003 17:45:25 -0400 Paul Archibald writes: > > Well, > The '93 LWB rangie is still suferin'! :-( > > I replaced the Mass-Airflow Sensor with a correct 5AM that > I had bought accidently from APE last year(we are returning > the 3AM one that we were sent by Rover Cannibal...they > insist it's the exact same thing with a different name, but > it had different # of pins and is after all made for a 3.9 [ 41 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! From bens Tue Jul 1 21:22:50 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h621Moix031830 for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 21:22:50 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h621MoCD031829 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 21:22:50 -0400 Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 21:22:49 -0400 Message-Id: <200307020122.h621MnwG031816@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Spark plugs Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Earle, Whatever plugs you use, remember that the important thing is the heat range of the plug. I'm the wrong person to answer this one at present (I haven't gotten into spark plug heat ranges in years, due to driving Miss Gillian...), but there are many new plugs you can go with that'll be compatible. What I don't recall at present, is wether or not you have to compensate with your heat ranges in relation to the fuel that's currently available (this would apply to any car). Charles On Mon, 30 Jun 2003 17:59:20 -0400 writes: > > Question: For a 7:1 head 2.25 engine, which spark plugs should I use > (and does it really matter that much?) > > Some information I have found from several resources: > > My 1960 Parts Catalog lists Lodge CLNH and Champion N8 > LR FAQ (http://www.ovlr.org/OVLR.alt.parts.html) lists AC 44XL, > Autolite 2616, and Champion N5 [ 14 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! From bens Tue Jul 1 21:51:32 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h621pWix031873 for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 21:51:32 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h621pWPu031872 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 21:51:32 -0400 Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 21:51:31 -0400 Message-Id: <200307020151.h621pVwK031868@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: more rangie LWB woes! ;-( Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- Charles R Irvin wrote: > yes - check the stepper motor: when did she last have the > O2 sensors > replaced? The coolant temp sensor? ( NOT the one for the > gauge, but the > other one) Stepper motor? The o2 sensors may have never been replaced. I will find out...but they do not show up in the read-out so the ecu does not see them as a problem.....hmm! where is this coolant temp sensor? I'll have to look into getting one tomorrow. Paul > I have a similar problem with my Rangie...have replaced > the O2 sensors > over 45,000 miles ago, so am thinking about doing it > again. Hmmmm! do you recall the way to test them? I can't right now. will need to look at the manuals......again...I have the euro manuals, so there is four inches of stuff to dig through...it may be a while > Was just in Fresno...it's 95F there right now! I stopped > to look at some > stuff from a machine shop that was being auctioned off. > Of course, all > the good stuff was taken by the owners before the tax > people showed up, > and only the junk was left. :( well you don't need it yet....look at me, I have some really cool stuff and am not using it at all right now. Paul __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From bens Tue Jul 1 22:58:52 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h622wqix031920 for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 22:58:52 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h622wqOw031919 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 22:58:52 -0400 Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 22:58:52 -0400 Message-Id: <200307020258.h622wqZs031915@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kerner, Rob" To: Subject: RR Remote Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I had the Rangie at Hubacher for a couple things I havn't had time to fix. One was to program the remote I picked up on Ebay. It was only $5.88 to program it, and i had tried about a dozen times with no success. They did program it, but it acts a little different.. These are both the One button remotes. When you arm or disarm the alarm with the old remote the turn signal lights for one long blink. With the new to me remote it does 2 or three short blinks to arm and disarm? Also the red light on the old remote blinks when pushing it. The new one lights and then goes off. Are the remotes doing something different??? -Rob From bens Tue Jul 1 23:21:31 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h623LVix031966 for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 23:21:31 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h623LViK031965 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 23:21:31 -0400 Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 23:21:30 -0400 Message-Id: <200307020321.h623LUMp031961@minbar.fourfold.org> From: nicholas harteau To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: who needs a spare rangie power stearing box??? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I think I'm interested. Would you be willing to ship it? I just departed from the bay area, sadly. Paul Archibald wrote: > > > --- Charles R Irvin wrote: > > > > Is it rebuilt???????? If not, I just dug out MY old > > one... > nah! ;-( > If it was, I'd just keep it here...still may > justincase...and rebuild it.. [ 24 additional quoted lines pruned. ] -- nicholas harteau nrh@ikami.com From bens Tue Jul 1 23:33:32 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h623XWix031983 for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 23:33:32 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h623XWhC031982 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 23:33:32 -0400 Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 23:33:31 -0400 Message-Id: <200307020333.h623XV0Y031978@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Todd Schlemmer" To: "mendo" Subject: FW: [PCRC] New Range Rover Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org sent to the PCRC list originally - Mendoids? thanks -Todd --------------- Hi y'all A friend of mine is considering the purchase of a NEW (pardon the term) Series III RR. He asked me to opine, but all I have heard/read are the superlatives in the various Land Rover p@rn magazines. Does anybody know anything more specific, that might concern a prospective driver? He has a 4.6, has had a D90 - is reasonably coiler-savvy. He is NOT a pirate of the Rubicon, however. I think his concerns will be reliability, engine, and quality, but I am guessing. Thanks, we now return you to oil leaks and live axles - already in progress... Todd Schlemmer Vashon Island, WA www.ozedeph.com ---- This is the Pacific Coast Rover Club mailing list. To send a msg: To unsubscribe: From bens Wed Jul 2 00:35:57 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h624Zvix032143 for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 00:35:57 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h624Zv4U032142 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 00:35:57 -0400 Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 00:35:57 -0400 Message-Id: <200307020435.h624Zviv032138@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Granville" To: Subject: Re: Blue lakes wrap-up Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Sounds like a great trip, with a great group. Sorry we didn't show up at all but in fact did go and did do the trail. Due to horrid preparation woes that would have told anyone in his right mind to stay home, we (daughter Shannon with me in my '92 Range Rover--Ziggy--and Nathan Tucker in his '90 RR) arrived at Lake Alpine in the wee hours on Sunday morning. We got about 2 hours of sleep, ate a groggy breakfast, and went looking for any other Lazy-Buggers who might be around. In fact, we found Jeremy Bartlett and Susan at the west shore campground. Jeremy was nice enough to guide us through the Slick Rock trail where Ziggy sustained a bit of damage and Nathan's a bit less. That trail didn't take so long so we swam in the river and basked on the granite rocks. Weather was perfect. I wish son Bennett had been along, with one of his mountain bikes. What a paradise he would have found there! Monday, we packed up and sluggishly headed to Hermit Valley. We probably started the Deer Valley trail around 1:00 or 1:30 pm and took well over 7 hours (including a brief lunch break) to reach the Blue Lakes campground. My that water crossing was deep! If it'd been any deeper, we'd probably still be up there. Nathan and Shannon both showed a lot of natural talent on the trail and were a great team with whom to work. On that trail, Nathan got a bit more damage. For basically stock RRs, both trails are pretty challenging. Sure wish I had rock sliders! Beautiful scenery abounded up there and we all want to return. Maybe next time we can get off our lazy bums and join the goup. We had a wonderful time, all agreeing that it was the hardest we'd ever worked to have fun! Granny From bens Wed Jul 2 00:42:43 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h624ghix032160 for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 00:42:43 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h624ghSA032159 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 00:42:43 -0400 Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 00:42:43 -0400 Message-Id: <200307020442.h624ghmM032155@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Tom Walsh" To: Subject: possible cool oportunity ( no LR ) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org As many of you know we are moving to San Diego ( On Wednesday ) We arranged for Sara's sister to come out to help pack and then drive the Porsche down. Now Sara's waffling, and wants her sister and her to just drive the bimmer so one can entertain the baby for the 9-10 hour drive while the other drives ( its pretty tough to keep her strapped in that long, we make many stops ussually ). I'll be driving the RV and towing the D90 behind it, So if she continues to think this way, then I need someone who wants to drive a Porsche to SD in convoy with us ( I do 75 on I5 when conditions permit, which mostly conditions permit so you won't be doing 45... then again nor will ya be doing 110 either :) I'll pay for gas, food, plane ticket back and any other related expenses.... ( due to new security regs, you have to order and pay for the ticket, but I will pre-re-imburse you ) We leave early Wednesday morning... Lemme know if you are interested... again it may not happen but I'm hedging my bets.. She wants to rent a uhaul trailer and tow the Porsche... I said NO WAY due to: A) it WILL get major rock rash being that close to the tow rig B) it can't even drive up on pep boys car ramps as its so close to the ground, so forget a trailer ramp C) she just made me sell my flatbed anyways ( sptttt :) D) Uhaul trailers have a contract limit of 45 mph TomW, knee deep in boxes From bens Wed Jul 2 01:06:59 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h6256xix032330 for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 01:06:59 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h6256xWu032329 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 01:06:59 -0400 Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 01:06:59 -0400 Message-Id: <200307020506.h6256x9f032325@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Nick Baggarly" To: Subject: Re: possible cool oportunity ( no LR ) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Walsh" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2003 9:42 PM Subject: possible cool oportunity ( no LR ) > > D) Uhaul trailers have a contract limit of 45 mph He he, that's a good one. From bens Wed Jul 2 01:09:49 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h6259nix032347 for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 01:09:49 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h6259nCG032346 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 01:09:49 -0400 Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 01:09:49 -0400 Message-Id: <200307020509.h6259nA8032342@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Jason Pipes" To: Subject: RE: possible cool oportunity ( no LR ) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 40 lines filtered. ] Tom, I suddenly have lots of time on my hands so if you need someone to drive give me a Shout. I wouldn't mind taking a drive down to SD in a Porsche and being flown back to boot! When you say on Wednesday, do you mean tomorrow morning or the following week? All things depending, let me know! jpipes From bens Wed Jul 2 02:12:59 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h626Cxix032401 for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 02:12:59 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h626CxdX032400 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 02:12:59 -0400 Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 02:12:59 -0400 Message-Id: <200307020612.h626Cxc5032396@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Tom Walsh" To: Subject: Re: possible cool oportunity ( no LR ) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org next week, looks like your 1st in line :) we can talk tomorrow TomW ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason Pipes" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2003 10:09 PM Subject: RE: possible cool oportunity ( no LR ) > > [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] > [ Included Original Message ] > [ 40 lines filtered. ] > Tom, > > I suddenly have lots of time on my hands so if you need someone to drive > give me a Shout. I wouldn't mind taking a drive down to SD in a Porsche and > being flown back to boot! When you say on Wednesday, do you mean tomorrow > morning or the following week? All things depending, let me know! > > jpipes > From bens Wed Jul 2 02:37:51 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h626bpix032425 for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 02:37:51 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h626bpqN032424 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 02:37:51 -0400 Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 02:37:51 -0400 Message-Id: <200307020637.h626bptn032420@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "G. Mugele" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: D110 sighting Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" ] [ 18 lines filtered. ] Monday at about 3PM there was an absurdly clean (new looking) D110 south bound on 101 at Corte Madera Creek in Marin County. I was unable to get close enough for a thorough look-see but it appeared to be fitted as deliver except for an apparent lift (2 inches or so). It was wearing some sort of dealer plastic plate with the LR logo. I'm not absolutely certain but I think it is sans winch. Driver looked to be in his late 20s or maybe early 30s; a largish swarthy fellow with bushy hair. Definitely not Mehdi and no one else I recognized. Anyone know anything about this one. Gerry Mugele ***"Thank you for sending me a copy of your book; I'll waste no time reading it." - Moses Hadas From bens Wed Jul 2 02:54:13 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h626sDix032450 for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 02:54:13 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h626sDEs032449 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 02:54:13 -0400 Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 02:54:13 -0400 Message-Id: <200307020654.h626sDWi032445@minbar.fourfold.org> From: joe mulqueen To: mendo Subject: LR trip to Big Bear? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Anyone planning to attend the SCLR hosted "3rd Annual Rover Rendezvous" at Big Bear 7/25-27? Their site says "NCRC and AZLR members are invited". Even though the trip is rated "easy" they also say there are more challenging trails for those interested. Details posted on the SCLR calendar: http://www.sclr.org/ Joe Mulqueen '67 SIIA 109 SW Redondo Beach, CA __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From bens Wed Jul 2 08:57:36 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h62Cvaix000584 for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 08:57:36 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h62CvaPW000583 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 08:57:36 -0400 Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 08:57:35 -0400 Message-Id: <200307021257.h62CvZTW000578@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Benjamin Smith To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: possible cool oportunity ( no LR ) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Tom wrote: > > > D) Uhaul trailers have a contract limit of 45 mph I think the only time I've seen a Uhaul trailer going that slow was on a steep uphill. Ben From bens Wed Jul 2 10:39:24 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h62EdOix001147 for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 10:39:24 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h62EdORU001144 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 10:39:24 -0400 Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 10:39:23 -0400 Message-Id: <200307021439.h62EdNeM001137@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: possible cool oportunity ( no LR ) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Tom, Janet sez that since she's the boss at the shop, I can take any day off that I please! I can be flown back either to Bakersfield, or Fresno (we're about an hour away from both), and she doesn't mind driving me upto Los Gatos. (she likes the area) I'll also take you to where that Sea Dart is located! (yeah - this is a bribe) Let me know. Charles - ex car loader/unloader for British Airways Cargo/LAX On Wed, 2 Jul 2003 00:42:43 -0400 "Tom Walsh" writes: > > As many of you know we are moving to San Diego ( On Wednesday ) > We arranged for Sara's sister to come out to help pack and then > drive the > Porsche down. > Now Sara's waffling, and wants her sister and her to just drive the > bimmer > so one can entertain the baby for the 9-10 hour drive while the > other drives [ 37 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! From bens Wed Jul 2 10:39:24 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h62EdOix001151 for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 10:39:24 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h62EdORg001150 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 10:39:24 -0400 Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 10:39:24 -0400 Message-Id: <200307021439.h62EdOHL001143@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: LR trip to Big Bear? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Joe, I was at Big Bear a year ago with Karen Sindir, just as the SCLR guys were beginning their recce: should be an interesting time - but be prepared to camp amongst 140+ Rangie/Defender/Disco owners, because they are said to have a huge turnout for this event! (I've never been there with SCLR, so I only know what I've heard) You'll probably see a couple of impressive-looking rock-crawling Rangies! Charles On Wed, 2 Jul 2003 02:54:13 -0400 joe mulqueen writes: > > Anyone planning to attend the SCLR hosted "3rd Annual > Rover Rendezvous" at Big Bear 7/25-27? Their site > says "NCRC and AZLR members are invited". Even though > the trip is rated "easy" they also say there are more > challenging trails for those interested. Details > posted on the SCLR calendar: > http://www.sclr.org/ > Joe Mulqueen [ 9 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! From bens Wed Jul 2 11:30:39 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h62FUdix001288 for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 11:30:39 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h62FUd1h001287 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 11:30:39 -0400 Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 11:30:39 -0400 Message-Id: <200307021530.h62FUdpW001283@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Elam, Gerry (CORP)" To: "'mendo'" Subject: car carriers- no LR contact - German-British if you will.... the Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Anyone had a car hauled from the east coast recently? I would appreciate a carrier recommendation. Alternately, if you had a bad experience with someone, please let me know them too and I'll try to avoid them! Cheers, Gerry PHX AZ From bens Wed Jul 2 12:00:24 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h62G0Oix001342 for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 12:00:24 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h62G0O80001341 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 12:00:24 -0400 Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 12:00:23 -0400 Message-Id: <200307021600.h62G0NWp001337@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: car carriers- no LR contact - German-British if you Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi, No Experience with car carriers, but watch out for east coast cars. They usually fall apart from all the rust before they get here. ;^) I sold a car to a guy on the east coast a number of years ago and the hauler that picked it up had a 48 Chrysler on board to deliver to Placerville after he left here. It was BAAD with rust holes. Of course the person receiving it didn't know how bad it really was. The truck driver was concerned the person might try to refuse it. Bob B At 08:30 AM 7/2/2003, you wrote: >Anyone had a car hauled from the east coast recently? I would appreciate a >carrier recommendation. Alternately, if you had a bad experience with >someone, please let me know them too and I'll try to avoid them! > >Cheers, >Gerry >PHX AZ From bens Wed Jul 2 12:52:40 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h62Gqeix001715 for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 12:52:40 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h62GqeJH001714 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 12:52:40 -0400 Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 12:52:40 -0400 Message-Id: <200307021652.h62GqeeA001710@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Thomas Joyner To: Mendo List Subject: James H Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hey james, have you left for the East coast yet? If you'll be in Flag for the 4th please contact me off line. 970-426-9025 (cell). Tom Joyner 88 RR 4.2 Waiting breathlessly for live TdF coverage on OLN starting July 5th! From bens Wed Jul 2 13:33:46 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h62HXkix001804 for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 13:33:46 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h62HXkJO001803 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 13:33:46 -0400 Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 13:33:46 -0400 Message-Id: <200307021733.h62HXkt4001799@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Ben Mitchell" To: Subject: Rover Parts Sale (Mostly D90) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi Folks, I'm looking to unload a lot of stuff that's currently cluttering my garage. Descriptions, pricing, etc available at: http://www.mitchellfamily.com/ben/rover/RoverSale/RoverSale.html Best, -Ben From bens Wed Jul 2 13:51:49 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h62Hpnix001864 for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 13:51:49 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h62HpnrR001863 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 13:51:49 -0400 Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 13:51:48 -0400 Message-Id: <200307021751.h62HpmSM001859@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Mark Pilkington To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Rover Parts Sale (Mostly D90) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Ben, Will that stepped rear bumper fit a Series II rear crossmember Ben Mitchell wrote: > Hi Folks, > > I'm looking to unload a lot of stuff that's currently cluttering my > garage. Descriptions, pricing, etc available at: > > http://www.mitchellfamily.com/ben/rover/RoverSale/RoverSale.html > > Best, > [ 1 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Wed Jul 2 14:34:14 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h62IYEix001940 for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 14:34:14 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h62IYErW001939 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 14:34:14 -0400 Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 14:34:14 -0400 Message-Id: <200307021834.h62IYEmj001935@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Eric Johnson" To: Subject: July Deseret Trip Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org What, no 4th of July romp? Well, I may try to pay homage to the Desert Gods of Black Rock. You know, explosions, exploring and general chaos. Also, find a nice lake and try out the kayak. From bens Wed Jul 2 15:23:23 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h62JNNix002229 for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 15:23:23 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h62JNNS8002228 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 15:23:23 -0400 Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 15:23:23 -0400 Message-Id: <200307021923.h62JNNCV002224@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "lrgranny@dc3.adelphia.net" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: Rover Parts Sale (Mostly D90) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Ben, If those wheels are off the 1970 Series IIA 88 that used to belong to Jason Labranch, they are 10" wide and the backset is stock. That is, all the increased width is to the outside. They were stock 6"x15" rims that were widened by cutting the stock rim, near the outer bead, and having a 4" band welded in. They were on another '70 88 when I bought it so this is by observation and what I remember of discussion with the P.O. Granny From bens Wed Jul 2 19:38:46 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h62Nckix002850 for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 19:38:46 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h62NckEW002849 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 19:38:46 -0400 Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 19:38:46 -0400 Message-Id: <200307022338.h62NckCn002845@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: who needs a spare rangie power stearing box??? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --hmm! it's really heavy...and do not ahve any packing box that it would go in, but may be able to. Chris Dow had previously shown interest, but may have changed his mind... Paul - nicholas harteau wrote: > > > I think I'm interested. Would you be willing to ship it? > I just > departed from the bay area, sadly. > > > Paul Archibald wrote: > > [ 14 additional quoted lines pruned. ] __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From bens Wed Jul 2 19:47:14 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h62NlEix002888 for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 19:47:14 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h62NlEEa002887 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 19:47:14 -0400 Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 19:47:14 -0400 Message-Id: <200307022347.h62NlEoi002883@minbar.fourfold.org> From: nicholas harteau To: Paul Archibald Cc: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: who needs a spare rangie power stearing box??? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Well, let me know. Feel free to contact me off-list. UPS'ing my diff wasn't too bad, so maybe a steering box wouldn't be either. At some point there was a place that rebuilt them, in socal someplace I think, that milled out the housing a little and replaced some of the more wear-prone parts with bearings/rollers. Does anyone know where that was or if they still exist? Paul Archibald wrote: > > > --hmm! it's really heavy...and do not ahve any packing box > that it would go in, but may be able to. Chris Dow had > previously shown interest, but may have changed his mind... > > Paul > > [ 17 additional quoted lines pruned. ] -- nicholas harteau nrh@ikami.com From bens Wed Jul 2 21:36:35 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h631aZix002991 for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 21:36:35 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h631aZoo002990 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 21:36:35 -0400 Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 21:36:35 -0400 Message-Id: <200307030136.h631aZwg002986@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jeremy Bartlett To: mendo Subject: Wanted: Titled w CA plates, Non Running, trashed Series vehicle Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I'm looking around for a CA registered (preferably with plates) series vehicle (a 88 or shorter would be best). If anyone has or knows of someone who has one that might be interested in selling please e-mail me off list (jjbartlett@earthlink.net). I'm looking for a cheap trash heap to serve as a project base. No engine? No transmission? ... Perfect! If the vehicle only exists on paper that might be even better. I'm not looking for a restoration project; that can go to someone else this time around. Thanks for your attention, :) Jeremy From bens Wed Jul 2 21:47:44 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h631liix003023 for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 21:47:44 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h631liZ1003022 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 21:47:44 -0400 Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 21:47:44 -0400 Message-Id: <200307030147.h631liRk003018@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jeremy Bartlett To: mendo Subject: Re: more rangie LWB woes! ;-( Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "it stumbles at around 450 rpm with burping kinda (backfire?)sound in intake.." I doubt it's as basic as base idle since it's pretty much impossible to get it up to 1200rpm on a healthy engine. Given the usual caveats of diagnosing by written word I'd check the following: Maybe this is going to seem obvious but are you sure you don't have a major vacuum leak (check all hoses and spray carb cleaner around to see if it alters the rpm.) Is the burping a "popping" or backfire. Popping in the intake, especially noticeable at idle is/are sticking intake valves as a prime suspect. Sufficient sticking/misfire and create and o2 sensor feedback loop that richens everything up causing higher rpm; but that a bit of a guess. What do the plugs look like? A backfire is consistent with a lean burn misfire from a large vacuum leak (excessive rpm). Sorry if this seems like a delayed reply; apart from being hectic beyond belief I'm on digest mode which delays things a day. Jeremy From bens Wed Jul 2 23:08:00 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h63380ix003151 for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 23:08:00 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h63380MY003150 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 23:08:00 -0400 Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 23:07:59 -0400 Message-Id: <200307030307.h6337xvt003146@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Nancy Hart To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: July Deseret Trip Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org If anyone wants to join up.. not an offroad trip and pretty tame.. the kids and I are heading out tomorrow midday to go check out Lava Beds National Monument park up north.. I'm hoping the ranger talks at night and cave tours will be fun for the kids. If the park is full we'll try back down to Lassen or Eagle Lake. http://www.nps.gov/labe/pphtml/activities.html Nancy nancyehart@mac.com On Wednesday, July 2, 2003, at 11:34 AM, Eric Johnson wrote: > > > > What, no 4th of July romp? > Well, I may try to pay homage to the Desert Gods of Black Rock. You > know, explosions, exploring and general chaos. > Also, find a nice lake and try out the kayak. > > From bens Wed Jul 2 23:20:57 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h633Kvix003198 for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 23:20:57 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h633Kvdr003195 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 23:20:57 -0400 Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 23:20:56 -0400 Message-Id: <200307030320.h633KupE003189@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kevin Kelly" To: "Mendo List" Subject: LWB Rangie Woes Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Paul wrote about problems with the LWB: and then wrote: >The o2 sensors may have never been replaced. I will find >out...but they do not show up in the read-out so the ecu >does not see them as a problem.....hmm! >where is this coolant temp sensor? I'll have to look into >getting one tomorrow. With a modern FI car if you don't have a factory manual and know how to check everything with a voltmeter at the FI brain box it's usually a lot cheaper to bring it to a mechanic than to just start replacing parts (you will spend more than $300 for a pair of O2 sensors). Kevin From bens Wed Jul 2 23:20:57 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h633Kvix003203 for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 23:20:57 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h633Kvt0003202 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 23:20:57 -0400 Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 23:20:57 -0400 Message-Id: <200307030320.h633Kvj7003196@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kevin Kelly" To: "Mendo List" Subject: New Range Rover Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Todd wrote: >A friend of mine is considering the purchase of a NEW >(pardon the term) Series III RR. He asked me to opine, >but all I have heard/read are the superlatives in the various >Land Rover magazines. The new Range Rover is a great vehicle. It seems to have an overall higher quality than the last Range Rovers and the BMW V8 is a much better engine than the Rover V8. I'm also on a daily BMW e-mail list and the 4.4L BMW engine is very reliable (I've never heard of a single problem). I'm hoping that the new Range Rovers depreciate as fast as the old ones so I can afford to buy one in a couple years before my 4.6HSE hits 100K. Kevin From bens Thu Jul 3 02:34:07 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h636Y7ix003540 for ; Thu, 3 Jul 2003 02:34:07 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h636Y7W2003539 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 3 Jul 2003 02:34:07 -0400 Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2003 02:34:07 -0400 Message-Id: <200307030634.h636Y76r003535@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: LWB Rangie Woes Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- Kevin Kelly wrote: > > Paul wrote about problems with the LWB: > > and then wrote: > > >The o2 sensors may have never been replaced. I will find > >out...but they do not show up in the read-out so the ecu > >does not see them as a problem.....hmm! > >where is this coolant temp sensor? I'll have to look [ 10 additional quoted lines pruned. ] Ya! I know! ....and Kevin....youn know me...I am as cheap as ever! That Euro manual set I bought for the ol' '87 rangie after you helped me buy it many moons ago is still here and ticking after playing with a few different rangies ! ;-) I did play around with all the required tests that it tells you to do wit the old volt/ohm-meter adn see nothing wrong! ...and the readout is blank now too......so am drawing a blank.......am about to drive it to Livermore to WCB or ??? Tomorrow will start swapping in same parts from the Light brigade to see.... Elisa is coming over on Amtrack for th week-end and we really expect her to drive it back home.....as I told her to not drive her new Series III we bought from Tom last week here and back....besides there are too many rovers here now! I just gotta get it runnin' right! Paul __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From bens Thu Jul 3 08:23:55 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h63CNtix004067 for ; Thu, 3 Jul 2003 08:23:55 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h63CNtlY004066 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 3 Jul 2003 08:23:55 -0400 Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2003 08:23:55 -0400 Message-Id: <200307031223.h63CNtQ7004062@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Jon Turner" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: car carriers- no LR contact - German-British if you will.... the Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I had good success with Dependable Auto Shippers. They hauled my Range Rover and 110 from California to North Carolina with no issues, and let me pay by credit card. They also have online tracking of your vehicle so you can tell where it is in transit. http://www.dasautoshippers.com/dasnew/index.html The advice I received from my insurance agent is to drop your deductibles on the vehicles in transit to $0, (only for the time it is out of your sight). That way you are covered for anything that happens and it will literally cost you just a few dollars. (Comprehensive claims won't increase your insurance rate, either). I'll send you contatct info for DAS separately. Jon From bens Thu Jul 3 10:57:38 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h63Evcix004715 for ; Thu, 3 Jul 2003 10:57:38 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h63EvcJp004714 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 3 Jul 2003 10:57:38 -0400 Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2003 10:57:38 -0400 Message-Id: <200307031457.h63Evclv004710@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Elam, Gerry (CORP)" To: "'Jon Turner'" , mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: car carriers- no LR contact - German-British if you will.... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Thanks... will check them out. Good advice... will do that with my insurance too. Thanks! Gerry The advice I received from my insurance agent is to drop your deductibles on the vehicles in transit to $0, (only for the time it is out of your sight). That way you are covered for anything that happens and it will literally cost you just a few dollars. (Comprehensive claims won't increase your insurance rate, either). From bens Thu Jul 3 11:42:08 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h63Fg8ix004848 for ; Thu, 3 Jul 2003 11:42:08 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h63Fg8h4004847 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 3 Jul 2003 11:42:08 -0400 Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2003 11:42:08 -0400 Message-Id: <200307031542.h63Fg8E7004843@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: car carriers- no LR contact - German-British if you Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi, I read a suggestion somewhere to reduce the comp to 0 for always because it only costs a few dollars and the headlights and lenses are very expensive if they get hit by a rock or something. Bob B At 07:57 AM 7/3/2003, you wrote: >Thanks... will check them out. > >Good advice... will do that with my insurance too. > >Thanks! >Gerry > > > [ 6 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Thu Jul 3 12:14:54 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h63GEsix005061 for ; Thu, 3 Jul 2003 12:14:54 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h63GEsPw005060 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 3 Jul 2003 12:14:54 -0400 Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2003 12:14:54 -0400 Message-Id: <200307031614.h63GEs9E005056@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Granville" To: Subject: Re: early 88 diesel on Ebay Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Looks like a good, well-preserved restoration project and probably well worth the price (it went for $3,500). Neat badge on the grille: Rover/Diesel Wonder if that roof is original. I suppose that it's possible but that's the first LR that old I've ever seen that had tailgates and no tropical panel yet a had roof with the sliding side windows and the big rear quarter windows. The typical roof on one of that vintage with tailgates (I had two of 'em) is non-tropical hardtop with small, fixed side windows and no quarter windows in the rear at all. Granny From bens Thu Jul 3 12:50:21 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h63GoLix005227 for ; Thu, 3 Jul 2003 12:50:21 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h63GoLYR005226 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 3 Jul 2003 12:50:21 -0400 Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2003 12:50:21 -0400 Message-Id: <200307031650.h63GoLYK005222@minbar.fourfold.org> From: john hess To: Mendo List Subject: Re: New Range Rover Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org saw a blurb in the Friday Sacramento Bee. JD Powers Customer Satisfaction Survey results: Land Rover placed 61st, ahead of (drum roll) Hummer! Yes, that's the only "marque" that was below LR. Persoanlly, I couldn't name 60 brands, and don't have the results, it was just a little short paragraph. probably the whole thingis available on the web if you look. cheerio, > > The new Range Rover is a great vehicle. It seems to have an overall higher > quality than the last Range Rovers and the BMW V8 is a much better engine > than the Rover V8. I'm also on a daily BMW e-mail list and the 4.4L BMW > engine is very reliable (I've never heard of a single problem). I'm hoping > that the new Range Rovers depreciate as fast as the old ones so I can afford > to buy one in a couple years before my 4.6HSE hits 100K. > > Kevin [ 1 additional quoted lines pruned. ] john hess, Davis, California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Dormie web pages at http://dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/startpoint.html From bens Thu Jul 3 13:47:16 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h63HlGix005440 for ; Thu, 3 Jul 2003 13:47:16 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h63HlGpU005439 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 3 Jul 2003 13:47:16 -0400 Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2003 13:47:16 -0400 Message-Id: <200307031747.h63HlGNu005435@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Tom Walsh" To: "Fil F." Cc: Subject: Bye Tom, Hello Sushi ( No LR ) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I'm meeting Fil this Monday at 12:30 at Satsuma 705 E. El Camino Mountain View ( near the 85 interchange with El Camino ( on the south side in the plaza where the extinct Emporium store used to be, now used as a storage lot for the bimmer dealer.... its next to the Albertsons) ). To exchange some stuff from my yardsale. So it dawned on me lets make it a Rover/Farewell/Excuse to eat Sushi lunch All are welcome... if you think your gonna show up so we can an idea of the table size. TomW From bens Thu Jul 3 13:59:46 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h63Hxkix005576 for ; Thu, 3 Jul 2003 13:59:46 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h63HxkCx005575 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 3 Jul 2003 13:59:46 -0400 Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2003 13:59:45 -0400 Message-Id: <200307031759.h63HxjdW005571@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Mark Pilkington To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: For Computer Gurus Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org OK Gurus. (Chris) I took a photo as a TIFF file in my Sony DSC-S85 Camera while on the NCRC Blue Lakes Weekend. When I look for it (in "Explore" with Windows XP) all I see are the JPG pictures. One of them is uge. Could this be the TIFF? If not, how do I find it. Thanks. Kind regards, Mark Pilkington From bens Thu Jul 3 14:21:22 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h63ILMix005673 for ; Thu, 3 Jul 2003 14:21:22 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h63ILMw3005672 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 3 Jul 2003 14:21:22 -0400 Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2003 14:21:21 -0400 Message-Id: <200307031821.h63ILLNO005668@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kerner, Rob" To: Subject: RE: For Computer Gurus Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 18 lines filtered. ] With XP, try using the Scanner/Digital picture wizard. This wizard should come up when you plug in your camera. I have had luck getting pictures off my Canon S400 using this when I was unable to see them using explorer to browse, but I could see the pictures and .MPG when reviewing in the camera. -Rob From bens Thu Jul 3 14:30:36 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h63IUaix005733 for ; Thu, 3 Jul 2003 14:30:36 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h63IUaEe005732 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 3 Jul 2003 14:30:36 -0400 Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2003 14:30:36 -0400 Message-Id: <200307031830.h63IUah9005728@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Joe Ward To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: For Computer Gurus Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 15 lines filtered. ] The big one probably is the TIFF, they tend to be 'uge. Windows doesn't "handle" tiffs, so you aren't getting a preview thumbnail. You might try a different folder view like "details" to confirm. Mainly graphics programs can open tiffs, so you'll may need the viewer that probably came with your camera to actually look at the picture (or something like photoshop). Joe Ward Technical Writer ventaso 415.364.6475 jward@ventaso.com Ventaso - the Customer Message Management solution. www.ventaso.com From bens Thu Jul 3 15:37:19 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h63JbJix005921 for ; Thu, 3 Jul 2003 15:37:19 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h63JbJu0005920 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 3 Jul 2003 15:37:19 -0400 Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2003 15:37:18 -0400 Message-Id: <200307031937.h63JbImd005916@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Alan Giblin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Rover sale Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org It looks like the mitchellfamily.com site is down, or is it just me? Alan From bens Thu Jul 3 15:52:59 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h63Jqxix005981 for ; Thu, 3 Jul 2003 15:52:59 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h63JqxIo005980 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 3 Jul 2003 15:52:59 -0400 Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2003 15:52:59 -0400 Message-Id: <200307031952.h63Jqxs9005976@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Jason Pipes" To: Subject: July NCRC calendar updated and online! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org The July calendar of events for NCRC has been updated and is now online. http://www.norcalrover.org/calendar/July_03_calendar.html There are 6 events in the month of July. Please take special note of the Rover Rendezvous event taking place July 25th-27th. This is a massive Land Rover event being organized by LRCLV, SCLR, LRCSD, and NCRC. Last year 140 Land Rovers took part, the largest single concentration of Rovers on the West Coast. This year even more are expected to attend. Check out the link from the club calendar for more information! If anyone from NCRC has questions about this event please let me know as I'm serving as NCRCs representative for the event. Thanks! jpipes From bens Thu Jul 3 16:45:10 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h63KjAix006166 for ; Thu, 3 Jul 2003 16:45:10 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h63KjAxE006165 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 3 Jul 2003 16:45:10 -0400 Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2003 16:45:09 -0400 Message-Id: <200307032045.h63Kj9Fk006161@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Jason Pipes" To: Subject: is it electrical or fuel?? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I have a problem I need some help IDing Not so long ago I replaced the ignition control module on the 110 which promptly fixed a nasty stalling problem that occurred after the truck had been running for awhile. It was due to a heat distribution problem that essentially broke the ignition control module due to its placement on the distributor and was therefore causing the truck to stall out when the engine was really warm. Well, not long after I replaced the control module another stalling problem showed up, but this time the nature of the stalling, it's duration and it's timing are all different than before. I honestly don't believe this time it has anything to do with the ignition control module. The problem is I can't figure out if it's electrical or fuel related. Here is the problem in brief. The 110 stalls out by loosing all RPMs, sometimes after just starting, sometimes after driving awhile. Sometimes I can drive it for hours and there are no problems, then all of a sudden it stalls 6 times in a row and won't start, then boom, it goes again just fine. When it stalls the RPMs simply fall really low and then the engine dies, regardless of me trying to pump the gas to keep the RPMs up. On a few occasions I thought the engine had died only to turn the key to hear that horrible grinding noise that let me know the engine was technically still on! In these cases when I applied gas nothing happened, zero. No response from the engine RPMs at all. With this sort of stalling I'm thinking it has something to do with the spark plugs, ignition leads and/or coil. My other thought is that it might have something to do with the fuel system, like blocked injectors or a faulty fuel pump. Does anyone have any thoughts or suggestions regarding this? And ideas on what to check or comments on symptoms to expect due to coil or fuel pump failure would be most helpful. Thanks much, Jason Pipes From bens Thu Jul 3 17:15:21 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h63LFKix006284 for ; Thu, 3 Jul 2003 17:15:21 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h63LFKjM006283 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 3 Jul 2003 17:15:20 -0400 Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2003 17:15:20 -0400 Message-Id: <200307032115.h63LFKYQ006279@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Mark Pilkington To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: is it electrical or fuel?? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org How about the Throttle position sensor? Does it have one of those. Jason Pipes wrote: > I have a problem I need some help IDing > > Not so long ago I replaced the ignition control module on the 110 which > promptly fixed a nasty stalling problem that occurred after the truck had > been running for awhile. It was due to a heat distribution problem that > essentially broke the ignition control module due to its placement on the > distributor and was therefore causing the truck to stall out when the engine > was really warm. > [ 30 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Thu Jul 3 20:17:34 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h640HYix006619 for ; Thu, 3 Jul 2003 20:17:34 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h640HY3D006618 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 3 Jul 2003 20:17:34 -0400 Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2003 20:17:34 -0400 Message-Id: <200307040017.h640HY2f006614@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Daniel Oppenheim" To: Subject: another RR in the family.....maybe Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; ] [ 43 lines filtered. ] charset="iso-8859-1" I just bought, if the seller is willing to sell below his reserve, = anther RR. I am so sick, I need a meeting!! http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=3D1&category=3D= 6295&item=3D2421291978 Anyone up in Sac/Rancho Cordova want to go take a look for me. I'd like = to get a ride up with parts in my little bag o ticks, and drive the = thing home. I know I'd need some new/used rims...and a big can of = ether!! I am almost finished with the selling of the D130, to a great pair of = gentlemen from SF. They'll be very happy with it. I am enjoying the RR = ambulance (1974) and then the prize of the herd is the 1960 Ser II 88" = pick-up. What the heck am I doing? ....................help....................... From bens Thu Jul 3 21:05:40 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h6415eix006738 for ; Thu, 3 Jul 2003 21:05:40 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h6415eWY006737 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 3 Jul 2003 21:05:40 -0400 Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2003 21:05:40 -0400 Message-Id: <200307040105.h6415e5G006733@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: is it electrical or fuel?? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Jason, Check the plug wires for any burn marks on the insulation: plug wires are funny things - sometimes they work much longer than they should, other times they'll short out 5 minutes after you take 'em out of the box. Same goes for the cap & rotor. Can't remember now, but it was either late last year, or early this year, I had the same problem with the Rangie: sometimes it wouldn't start even after I had just driven it 100 miles. Turned out the plug wires (less than 3000 miles old) were the culprit - all the while I was leaning towards a faulty ignition switch, due to the irregularity of the problem. My truck now has a bad habit of "stumbling" at idle: sometimes it stalls, most times it doesn't - it just runs really bad, even if you hit the accelerator a few times. After a few seconds it's fine. I'm guessing the stepper motor on this one, as it never happens at speed, and all vacum lines seem to be okay. Charles On Thu, 3 Jul 2003 16:45:09 -0400 "Jason Pipes" writes: > > I have a problem I need some help IDing > > Not so long ago I replaced the ignition control module on the 110 > which > promptly fixed a nasty stalling problem that occurred after the > truck had > been running for awhile. It was due to a heat distribution problem > that [ 55 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! From bens Thu Jul 3 23:43:53 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h643hrix006930 for ; Thu, 3 Jul 2003 23:43:53 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h643hrAV006929 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 3 Jul 2003 23:43:53 -0400 Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2003 23:43:53 -0400 Message-Id: <200307040343.h643hr3N006925@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Franklin H. Yap" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Apple Ipod (No LR Content) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi all, My daughter has been working/saving to buy a new Apple Ipod. Are prices pretty much the same in all stores? Frank From bens Fri Jul 4 01:28:33 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h645SXix007195 for ; Fri, 4 Jul 2003 01:28:33 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h645SXv3007194 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 4 Jul 2003 01:28:33 -0400 Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2003 01:28:33 -0400 Message-Id: <200307040528.h645SX4r007190@minbar.fourfold.org> From: John Hess To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Apple Ipod (No LR Content) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org AFAIK. Best I can tell, you save ~$30 at college bookstores. On Thursday, July 3, 2003, at 08:43 PM, Franklin H. Yap wrote: > > Hi all, > > My daughter has been working/saving to buy a new Apple Ipod. Are > prices > pretty much the same in all stores? > > Frank > [ 1 additional quoted lines pruned. ] John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Land Rover Dormobile web pages: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby" 1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" mine: 1999 Bianchi Milano, 2001 Bianchi Pista, 2002 Merlin Extra Fat, ours:2002 Meridian Attache Softride Tandem From bens Fri Jul 4 01:48:58 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h645mwix007215 for ; Fri, 4 Jul 2003 01:48:58 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h645mwtG007214 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 4 Jul 2003 01:48:58 -0400 Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2003 01:48:58 -0400 Message-Id: <200307040548.h645mwvF007210@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Aidan McLeer" To: Subject: Re: another RR in the family.....maybe Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I am planning on going out there on Saturday morning. I can give it a once over for you............... Later Aidan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Oppenheim" To: Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2003 5:17 PM Subject: another RR in the family.....maybe > > [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] > [ text/html; ] > [ 43 lines filtered. ] > > charset="iso-8859-1" > > I just bought, if the seller is willing to sell below his reserve, = > anther RR. I am so sick, I need a meeting!! [ 2 additional quoted lines pruned. ] http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=3D1&category=3D= > 6295&item=3D2421291978 > > Anyone up in Sac/Rancho Cordova want to go take a look for me. I'd like = > to get a ride up with parts in my little bag o ticks, and drive the = > thing home. I know I'd need some new/used rims...and a big can of = > ether!! > > I am almost finished with the selling of the D130, to a great pair of = > gentlemen from SF. They'll be very happy with it. I am enjoying the RR = [ 7 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Fri Jul 4 03:07:04 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h64774ix007289 for ; Fri, 4 Jul 2003 03:07:04 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h64774ib007288 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 4 Jul 2003 03:07:04 -0400 Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2003 03:07:04 -0400 Message-Id: <200307040707.h64774Ci007284@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Shane Ballensky To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: another RR in the family.....maybe Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I've got some gray 3 spoke alloys with the stock michelins(205r16's) I'd like to sell:) At 05:17 PM 7/3/03, you wrote: >Anyone up in Sac/Rancho Cordova want to go take a look for me. I'd like = >to get a ride up with parts in my little bag o ticks, and drive the = >thing home. I know I'd need some new/used rims...and a big can of = >ether!! Shane From bens Fri Jul 4 13:45:45 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h64Hjjix008027 for ; Fri, 4 Jul 2003 13:45:45 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h64HjjTf008026 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 4 Jul 2003 13:45:45 -0400 Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2003 13:45:44 -0400 Message-Id: <200307041745.h64HjiXP008022@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Christopher Dow To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Apple Ipod (No LR Content) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Franklin H. Yap wrote: >Hi all, > >My daughter has been working/saving to buy a new Apple Ipod. Are prices >pretty much the same in all stores? > > She can probably get the educational discount, as well. C From bens Fri Jul 4 19:13:24 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h64NDOix008388 for ; Fri, 4 Jul 2003 19:13:24 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h64NDOWq008387 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 4 Jul 2003 19:13:24 -0400 Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2003 19:13:23 -0400 Message-Id: <200307042313.h64NDNaO008383@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Crocuta To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Leaving for a bit. Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hello all, I'm subscribing to digest while I'm gone on vacation, I'll be gone through July 28th. If anyone sees my green 90" driving around, no worries as it is on loan to a friend for safe keeping. Hope everyone has a good month and I hope to join in on some August events. -Marshall Content-Disposition: inline --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. 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Version: 6.0.495 / Virus Database: 294 - Release Date: 6/30/2003 From bens Fri Jul 4 20:24:52 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h650Oqix008489 for ; Fri, 4 Jul 2003 20:24:52 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h650Oq7A008488 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 4 Jul 2003 20:24:52 -0400 Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2003 20:24:52 -0400 Message-Id: <200307050024.h650Oq9w008484@minbar.fourfold.org> From: charles phu To: mendo Subject: difficulty in engaging gears Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset=us-ascii ] [ 8 lines filtered. ] Hi, After some freeway drivning this afternoon and parked for a couple of minutes, I started experiencing difficulty in engaging gears on my series IIA 109 NADA 6. I hardly can engage into 1st, 2nd and cannot engage 3 and 4 at all when car still and motor on. when engine off, I can easily engage all gears with and without applying clutch, as usual. the clutch pedal feels as usual, too. I guess this might be something wrong with the clutch. any possibility of faulty gear box? I actually drove it home for a couple of miles, only using second gear, without unusual noise or rattle at all. anyone knows what might have happen? what should I check? Thanks. charles --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! From bens Fri Jul 4 20:45:12 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h650jCix008508 for ; Fri, 4 Jul 2003 20:45:12 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h650jC6Y008507 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 4 Jul 2003 20:45:12 -0400 Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2003 20:45:12 -0400 Message-Id: <200307050045.h650jCCu008503@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: difficulty in engaging gears Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Charles, Take a look at the linkage from the slave cylinder, going into the bellhousing: If the 6 cylinder is the same as the 4 cylinder, there should be a tubular fitting that connects the slave cylinder linkage to the clutch throwout arm. This arm is retained by a couple of clevis pins, and sometimes the holes that the pins go through will develop cracks that run outwards: if this happens, you can hit the clutch pedal, and the crack will cause only part of the entire linkage assembly to move. The tubular fittings are replaceable, and BP (and others) usually have them on the shelf. This is most likely the cause - and it's easy to check, so try this one first. Charles On Fri, 4 Jul 2003 20:24:52 -0400 charles phu writes: > > [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] > [ text/html; charset=us-ascii ] > [ 8 lines filtered. ] > > Hi, > > After some freeway drivning this afternoon and parked for a couple > of minutes, I started experiencing difficulty in engaging gears on [ 16 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! From bens Sat Jul 5 00:50:31 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h654oVix008744 for ; Sat, 5 Jul 2003 00:50:31 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h654oVtw008743 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 5 Jul 2003 00:50:31 -0400 Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2003 00:50:31 -0400 Message-Id: <200307050450.h654oVMN008739@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Fil F." To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Bye Tom, Hello Sushi ( No LR ) Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org c u there fil - im still in Santa Monica but will be back on Sunday >From: "Tom Walsh" >Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >To: "Fil F." >CC: >Subject: Bye Tom, Hello Sushi ( No LR ) >Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2003 13:47:16 -0400 > >I'm meeting Fil this Monday at 12:30 at Satsuma 705 E. El Camino Mountain >View ( near the 85 interchange with El Camino ( on the south side in the [ 11 additional quoted lines pruned. ] _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From bens Sat Jul 5 01:15:41 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h655Ffix008767 for ; Sat, 5 Jul 2003 01:15:41 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h655FffM008766 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 5 Jul 2003 01:15:41 -0400 Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2003 01:15:40 -0400 Message-Id: <200307050515.h655Feex008762@minbar.fourfold.org> From: charles phu To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: difficulty in engaging gears Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset=us-ascii ] [ 9 lines filtered. ] Thanks Charles. I'll check it up in the morning. cp Charles R Irvin wrote: Charles, Take a look at the linkage from the slave cylinder, going into the bellhousing: If the 6 cylinder is the same as the 4 cylinder, there should be a tubular fitting that connects the slave cylinder linkage to the clutch throwout arm. This arm is retained by a couple of clevis pins, and sometimes the holes that the pins go through will develop cracks that run outwards: if this happens, you can hit the clutch pedal, and the crack will cause only part of the entire linkage assembly to move. The tubular fittings are replaceable, and BP (and others) usually have them on the shelf. This is most likely the cause - and it's easy to check, so try this one first. Charles On Fri, 4 Jul 2003 20:24:52 -0400 charles phu writes: > > [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] > [ text/html; charset=us-ascii ] > [ 8 lines filtered. ] > > Hi, > > After some freeway drivning this afternoon and parked for a couple > of minutes, I started experiencing difficulty in engaging gears on [ 16 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! From bens Sat Jul 5 16:11:10 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h65KBAix009461 for ; Sat, 5 Jul 2003 16:11:10 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h65KBAuS009460 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 5 Jul 2003 16:11:10 -0400 Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2003 16:11:10 -0400 Message-Id: <200307052011.h65KBAmQ009456@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Daniel Oppenheim" To: Subject: auto dismantlers Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; ] [ 54 lines filtered. ] charset="iso-8859-1" Hi all, I need a front, short-side, half-shaft. the CV joint is ok. Can anyone provide the name of dismantlers in the US that may have a = part from a mid 80's Defender, I think RR used the same front end until = 91. The place in Rancho Cordova wasn't very helpful, not knowledgeable = ("what's a 1/2 shaft..and then: I'm sure we've got one that will = work...drive up and we'll pull open an axle in about 5 min and see." It = took about an hour to get the axle apart to the point where I could pull = the CV and 1/2 shaft out!! So, I don't really want to waste my time = driving up, waiting for them to take an hour, find it's not the part, = and drive back. They won't pull it unless I'm standing in front of = them....bummer.. They don't have any catalogs to cross ref numbers = either..) So, I need part # FTC3148 (entire assembly) or just he 1/2 shaft, part # = AEU2520. Does anyone have a RR manual who could check part numbers for the front = right-hand parts? Thanks for you help, and ideas of dismantlers.. Cheers, Daniel From bens Sat Jul 5 17:02:12 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h65L2Cix009514 for ; Sat, 5 Jul 2003 17:02:12 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h65L2C7P009513 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 5 Jul 2003 17:02:12 -0400 Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2003 17:02:12 -0400 Message-Id: <200307052102.h65L2CRU009509@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Granville" To: Subject: Re: auto dismantlers Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Daniel wrote: > So, I need part # FTC3148 (entire assembly) or just he 1/2 shaft, part # = > AEU2520. > > Does anyone have a RR manual who could check part numbers for the front = > right-hand parts? My RR NAS parts manual gives, for the non-ABS axle, Suffix A, RH side axle assembly, it gives Part No. 571895. For the halfshaft, it gives Part No. 606662. For Suffix B, onward, it gives FRC9518 for the assembly and RTC5840. Different parts from those you need, apparently. Granny From bens Sat Jul 5 17:05:59 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h65L5xix009528 for ; Sat, 5 Jul 2003 17:05:59 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h65L5xB2009527 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 5 Jul 2003 17:05:59 -0400 Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2003 17:05:59 -0400 Message-Id: <200307052105.h65L5xA9009523@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Aidan McLeer" To: Subject: Re: auto dismantlers Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org in the up to 93 book I have here it shows part #606662 (half shaft) #571895 (assy) (suffix A axles) and RTC5840 (half shaft) FRC9518 (assy) (suffix B axles onwards) non abs axles # FTC862 (with ABS) (assy) # RTC6754 (half shaft) Later Aidan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Oppenheim" To: Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2003 1:11 PM Subject: auto dismantlers > > [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] > [ text/html; ] > [ 54 lines filtered. ] > > charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi all, I need a front, short-side, half-shaft. the CV joint is ok. > [ 28 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Sat Jul 5 17:24:36 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h65LOaix009546 for ; Sat, 5 Jul 2003 17:24:36 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h65LOatC009545 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 5 Jul 2003 17:24:36 -0400 Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2003 17:24:36 -0400 Message-Id: <200307052124.h65LOaHw009541@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Aidan McLeer" To: Subject: Re: auto dismantlers Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Speaking of specialized british, I went out there this morning and looked at the 2 door classic (while picking up a few bits for my classic) it has been hit in the left side, drivers door will not latch (handle is missing) drivers door and rear quarter panel pretty wrinkled, both L/S wheels damaged (look like white weller 8 spokes)R/S tyres flat (rims look straight), L/S tie rod end broken (appears severed at nut) L/S trailing arm bracket bent slightly forward, drivers seat badly torn, motor appears intact (carb to air filter elbows off, I only saw 1 in engine compt.)they said it ran (according to P.O.) cause of damage unknown, slight surface rust on rearmost body to chassis mounts (body side) upper tailgate good, lower replaced with different colour (burgundy) (says Vogue SE) Spare looks like an original "rostyle" wheel, has Bilstiens (rear rubber mounts look worn out) all lights and glass appear in good condition. has a CA BAR label on the L/S door jamb. they said they wanted $750 for it. they also have a Lotus Esprit turbo sitting there (Black with chrome aftermarket wheels) with no visual physical damage .........(Texas dmv stickers in the windows) Later Aidan Your friend is the one you call to bail you out of jail, Your best friend is the one sitting next to you saying "Dude, that was awesome " ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Oppenheim" To: Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2003 1:11 PM Subject: auto dismantlers > > [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] > [ text/html; ] > [ 54 lines filtered. ] > > charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi all, I need a front, short-side, half-shaft. the CV joint is ok. > [ 28 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Sun Jul 6 10:53:50 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h66Eroix010423 for ; Sun, 6 Jul 2003 10:53:50 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h66Eroqq010422 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 6 Jul 2003 10:53:50 -0400 Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 10:53:50 -0400 Message-Id: <200307061453.h66EroGg010418@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Stephen LaPorta To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: soundproofing kits Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hello. I'm about to put a sound system in my '72 Series III. Before I do that, i want to add a soundproofing kit. The Land Rover mags...LR Enthusiast, LR World, and LR International, all based in the U.K., advertise various ones. I'm wondering if one, anyone has tried of any these kits, or two, if anyone knows of any soundproofing kits sold locally. Thanks for your help. Steve La Porta '72 Series III Green and Tan '78 Porsche 911 SC From bens Sun Jul 6 16:30:50 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h66KUoix010601 for ; Sun, 6 Jul 2003 16:30:50 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h66KUolu010600 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 6 Jul 2003 16:30:50 -0400 Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 16:30:49 -0400 Message-Id: <200307062030.h66KUnUF010596@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Stephen LaPorta To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: leak Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I'm getting a slow dripping of an oily fluid down on to the metal stem of the clutch pedal on my '72 Series III. The brake and clutch resevoirs have not required any abnormal filling up and I haven't noticed much change in the feel of the brake and clutch pedal feel. Anyone have an idea where this fluid might be coming from? Thanks for your suggestions. Steve La Porta '72 Series III '78 Porche 911 SC From bens Sun Jul 6 17:41:33 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h66LfXix010685 for ; Sun, 6 Jul 2003 17:41:33 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h66LfXAt010684 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 6 Jul 2003 17:41:33 -0400 Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 17:41:32 -0400 Message-Id: <200307062141.h66LfWdD010680@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "G. Mugele" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: leak Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >I'm getting a slow dripping of an oily fluid down on to the metal >stem of the clutch pedal on my '72 Series III. The brake and clutch >resevoirs have not required any abnormal filling up and I haven't >noticed much change in the feel of the brake and clutch pedal feel. >Anyone have an idea where this fluid might be coming from? Thanks for >your suggestions. It's the clutch master cylinder. He's always had a slight drip there; even after a new unit was installed. I'll bet the reservoir is down just enough to account for the amount dripping into the cabin. Gerry From bens Sun Jul 6 22:54:12 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h672sCix010918 for ; Sun, 6 Jul 2003 22:54:12 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h672sCLg010917 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 6 Jul 2003 22:54:12 -0400 Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 22:54:12 -0400 Message-Id: <200307070254.h672sCAp010913@minbar.fourfold.org> From: joe mulqueen To: mendo Subject: re. difficulty in engaging gears Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Charles, Try pumping the pedal a few times before moving the shifter. If the gears engage better than before, the problem is likely due to worn hydraulic internals. Joe Mulqueen '67 SIIA 109 SW Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2003 20:24:52 -0400 From: charles phu Subject: difficulty in engaging gears After some freeway drivning this afternoon and parked for a couple of minutes, I started experiencing difficulty in engaging gears on my series IIA 109 NADA 6. I hardly can engage into 1st, 2nd and cannot engage 3 and 4 at all when car still and motor on. when engine off, I can easily engage all gears with and without applying clutch, as usual.... __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From bens Sun Jul 6 23:44:43 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h673ihix010993 for ; Sun, 6 Jul 2003 23:44:43 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h673ihPJ010992 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 6 Jul 2003 23:44:43 -0400 Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 23:44:42 -0400 Message-Id: <200307070344.h673igkl010988@minbar.fourfold.org> From: joe mulqueen To: mendo Subject: Rover TC2000 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hello, A few blocks from me in South Redondo Beach is an empty house being prepped for remodel. At the edge of the driveway is now a very neglected '60-70s Rover TC2000. It looked like it was stored in the garage for years. It's basically complete but it's also stuffed full with various garage type junk. My opinion is the car "needs to go". If anyone's interested I'll get the address or leave a note on it for you. Joe Mulqueen '67 SIIA 109 SW __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From bens Sun Jul 6 23:47:57 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h673lvix011007 for ; Sun, 6 Jul 2003 23:47:57 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h673lvlQ011006 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 6 Jul 2003 23:47:57 -0400 Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 23:47:57 -0400 Message-Id: <200307070347.h673lvnT011002@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Daniel Oppenheim" To: Subject: half shafts for sale Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; ] [ 20 lines filtered. ] charset="iso-8859-1" Hi, I have a set of rear 1/2 shafts for a D110 (not sure if they are the = same as a D90?), or Series that has a Salisbury rear. 24 spline. New in = the wrapper.=20 Daniel From bens Sun Jul 6 23:55:14 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h673tEix011023 for ; Sun, 6 Jul 2003 23:55:14 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h673tEoB011022 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 6 Jul 2003 23:55:14 -0400 Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 23:55:14 -0400 Message-Id: <200307070355.h673tEiD011018@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Polla Slade" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: half shafts for sale Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hey Daniel, I'm interested...gimme the scoop man! :) Michael >From: "Daniel Oppenheim" >Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >To: >Subject: half shafts for sale >Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 23:47:57 -0400 > > [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] > [ text/html; ] > [ 20 lines filtered. ] [ 9 additional quoted lines pruned. ] _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From bens Mon Jul 7 00:04:27 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h6744Rix011177 for ; Mon, 7 Jul 2003 00:04:27 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h6744RgN011176 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 7 Jul 2003 00:04:27 -0400 Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 00:04:26 -0400 Message-Id: <200307070404.h6744QpS011172@minbar.fourfold.org> From: John Hess To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: leak Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org abnormal filling? Is there normal filling? Shouldn't be. If fluid goes away, worry about where it's going. SInce you know where it's going, you're half done. > resevoirs have not required any abnormal filling up and I haven't > noticed much change in the feel of the brake and clutch pedal feel. John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Land Rover Dormobile web pages: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby" 1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" mine: 1999 Bianchi Milano, 2001 Bianchi Pista, 2002 Merlin Extra Fat, ours:2002 Meridian Attache Softride Tandem From bens Mon Jul 7 00:33:56 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h674Xuix011213 for ; Mon, 7 Jul 2003 00:33:56 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h674XuFd011212 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 7 Jul 2003 00:33:56 -0400 Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 00:33:56 -0400 Message-Id: <200307070433.h674XuMU011208@minbar.fourfold.org> From: John Hess To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: OT dvd recorders for TV Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hiya, Are DVD recorders (for TV) the ultimate thing? I'm taping the Tour De France coverage and am not happy with tape, even on the best setting. Can i jump to a DVD recorder and get rid of tape? Can I buy a DVD recorder that will use a read write disk that is good picture quality? Is MPEG 4 encoding really like source? Point me to good discussions? cheers, John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Land Rover Dormobile web pages: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby" 1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" mine: 1999 Bianchi Milano, 2001 Bianchi Pista, 2002 Merlin Extra Fat, ours:2002 Meridian Attache Softride Tandem From bens Mon Jul 7 11:02:20 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h67F2Kix012104 for ; Mon, 7 Jul 2003 11:02:20 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h67F2Kx9012103 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 7 Jul 2003 11:02:20 -0400 Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 11:02:19 -0400 Message-Id: <200307071502.h67F2JWP012099@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Franklin H. Yap" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: OT dvd recorders for TV Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi John, I was waiting to hear what more knowledgeable people would have to say. But, in the meanwhile, I'll give my tuppence. I don't believe the dvd recorder will do a better job because it seems to me that the problem is in your TV signal. If you have a good TV signal you should be able to make a decent vhs copy taping on slow speed. Have you tried to tape from a strong signal for comparison? Frank -------------------- John Hess wrote: >Hiya, > >Are DVD recorders (for TV) the ultimate thing? I'm taping the Tour De > From bens Mon Jul 7 11:15:30 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h67FFUix012151 for ; Mon, 7 Jul 2003 11:15:30 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h67FFUv9012150 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 7 Jul 2003 11:15:30 -0400 Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 11:15:29 -0400 Message-Id: <200307071515.h67FFTAm012146@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Franklin H. Yap" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: OT dvd recorders for TV Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Ooops .. I meant taping at high speed! ------------------- Franklin H. Yap wrote: >... If you have a good TV >signal you should be able to make a decent vhs copy taping on slow >speed. > From bens Mon Jul 7 13:50:41 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h67Hofix012638 for ; Mon, 7 Jul 2003 13:50:41 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h67HofrA012637 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 7 Jul 2003 13:50:41 -0400 Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 13:50:41 -0400 Message-Id: <200307071750.h67HofYF012633@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Joe Ward To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: is it electrical or fuel?? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Well I don't have a solution (yet), but I it sounds like the same problem I have occasionally with the chevy engine in my series IIa. My current guess is that the fuel pump has difficulty sucking the fuel all the way from the rear tank when the tank is getting toward empty. Of course, it could be coincidence that the occurances of the problem occur when the tank is less than 1/3 full. I had the problem before and after replacing the expendable ignition parts so I don't think it is an electrical issue. Of course this could be one of those symptoms with multiple possible causes. Joe Ward '67 NADA 109 Oakland, Ca From bens Mon Jul 7 13:58:04 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h67Hw4ix012724 for ; Mon, 7 Jul 2003 13:58:04 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h67Hw46l012723 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 7 Jul 2003 13:58:04 -0400 Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 13:58:04 -0400 Message-Id: <200307071758.h67Hw4mO012719@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Dick Lague" To: Subject: RE: OT dvd recorders for TV Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 36 lines filtered. ] try something like a TiVo or Replay TV. I have replay and it is great. Dick From bens Mon Jul 7 21:42:44 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h681giix014223 for ; Mon, 7 Jul 2003 21:42:44 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h681giHl014222 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 7 Jul 2003 21:42:44 -0400 Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 21:42:44 -0400 Message-Id: <200307080142.h681giW4014218@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Daniel Oppenheim" To: Subject: Re: RR Dismantler in Sacto. Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I did..they are jerks "What's a half-shaft?" We won't pull a part until you are here, and you can wait while we do it! Yea, right...no thanks I also won an auction on eBay for a '71 RR, called them and wrote an e-mail..no response.....I'll go elsewhere for my cars and parts thank you very much. YMMV BTW I found a great chap from England who now resides in Quebec, who dismantles Defenders...his name is Mike Wesson (sp?) and he can be reached at 819-875-1459 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Johnson" To: Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 12:15 PM Subject: RR Dismantler in Sacto. > > > How about a community service? Call these guys and get some prices - RR classic ABS pump, trannies, t-case, etc. See if they're a decent place or just selling parts to shops for high prices. > If nobody does it today, I'll do it next week. > > > >>> lrgranny@adelphia.net 06/27/03 11:58AM >>> > > Paul, > > > find it...where besides Alfa parts can I call to get one? > > am calling them now, but in case... [ 2 additional quoted lines pruned. ] the > website at http://www.britishrecycling.com/rover-models.html > > > Granny > > > From bens Mon Jul 7 22:13:40 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h682Deix014341 for ; Mon, 7 Jul 2003 22:13:40 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h682DeFg014340 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 7 Jul 2003 22:13:40 -0400 Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 22:13:40 -0400 Message-Id: <200307080213.h682DeLD014336@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: RR Dismantler in Sacto. Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Daniel, Thanks for this info: couldn't have come at a better time! Charles - upto no good once again...... On Mon, 7 Jul 2003 21:42:44 -0400 "Daniel Oppenheim" writes: > > BTW I found a great chap from England who now resides in Quebec, who > dismantles Defenders...his name is Mike Wesson (sp?) and he can be > reached > at 819-875-1459 ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! From bens Mon Jul 7 23:37:51 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h683bpix014519 for ; Mon, 7 Jul 2003 23:37:51 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h683bp5K014518 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 7 Jul 2003 23:37:51 -0400 Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 23:37:50 -0400 Message-Id: <200307080337.h683boLF014514@minbar.fourfold.org> From: John Hess To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: OT dvd recorders for TV Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Franklin, It's a combination of channel, recorder and tape I'm sure. We have digital cable basically because it offers the Sci-Fi channel and OLN. Like I said, I'm not happy the way things are now, tape is always worse than real TV. And for some reason, the Sci-Fi channel (Farscape is a good example) is the best picture. I don't know if being made in PAL and transferred to NTSC or what resolution/tricks the scifi network has, but it is most often noticeably better picture. I don't want to go TiVo or replay and have to pay monthly fees for service, but a hard disk drive might work also? Someone on the list must know more, so chime in folks, On Monday, July 7, 2003, at 08:02 AM, Franklin H. Yap wrote: > > Hi John, > > I was waiting to hear what more knowledgeable people would have to say. > But, in the meanwhile, I'll give my tuppence. > > I don't believe the dvd recorder will do a better job because it seems > to me that the problem is in your TV signal. If you have a good TV > signal you should be able to make a decent vhs copy taping on slow [ 16 additional quoted lines pruned. ] John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Land Rover Dormobile web pages: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby" 1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" mine: 1999 Bianchi Milano, 2001 Bianchi Pista, 2002 Merlin Extra Fat, ours:2002 Meridian Attache Softride Tandem From bens Tue Jul 8 00:06:25 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h6846Pix014718 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2003 00:06:25 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h6846Pom014717 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 8 Jul 2003 00:06:25 -0400 Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 00:06:25 -0400 Message-Id: <200307080406.h6846PxG014713@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Eric Fournier To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: OT dvd recorders for TV Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hey John. How is the VCR hooked up? Are you using coax or the separate audio and composite video hook ups? Composite may improve what you get on tape. How's the VCR. New ones can be had for a song. Although S-VHS VCRs can be had for not too much these days, a DVD recorder can be had for just a bit more. BTW, if you went with the Direct TV/Tivo combo box, you could record straight to digital without the conversion in between. Ah, fees times two. Or, maybe you've wanted to satisfy that itch to get a DV cam. BTW John, do you miss tube audio? Eric Fournier On Monday, July 7, 2003, at 08:37 PM, John Hess wrote: > > Franklin, > > It's a combination of channel, recorder and tape I'm sure. We have > digital cable basically because it offers the Sci-Fi channel and OLN. > Like I said, I'm not happy the way things are now, tape is always worse > than real TV. And for some reason, the Sci-Fi channel (Farscape is a > good example) is the best picture. I don't know if being made in PAL > and transferred to NTSC or what resolution/tricks the scifi network [ 28 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Tue Jul 8 02:37:08 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h686b8ix014862 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2003 02:37:08 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h686b8oG014861 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 8 Jul 2003 02:37:08 -0400 Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 02:37:07 -0400 Message-Id: <200307080637.h686b7v1014857@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: OT dvd recorders for TV Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org John, Check ALL your coax connections: if they're all clean, then it's probably a bad connection at the junction at the pole - or wherever they buried the cable. Check all the connections for tightness, as well...those "Cable Guy's" don't always crimp the connectors tight enough. Charles - long live C-Band! On Mon, 7 Jul 2003 23:37:50 -0400 John Hess writes: > > Franklin, > > It's a combination of channel, recorder and tape I'm sure. We have > digital cable basically because it offers the Sci-Fi channel and > OLN. > Like I said, I'm not happy the way things are now, tape is always > worse > than real TV. And for some reason, the Sci-Fi channel (Farscape is [ 36 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! From bens Tue Jul 8 09:09:25 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h68D9Pix015361 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2003 09:09:25 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h68D9Pld015360 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 8 Jul 2003 09:09:25 -0400 Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 09:09:25 -0400 Message-Id: <200307081309.h68D9PTU015356@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kerner, Rob" To: Subject: Re: OT dvd recorders for TV Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org <<<<<<<<<; Tue, 8 Jul 2003 09:33:42 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h68DXgMV015439 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 8 Jul 2003 09:33:42 -0400 Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 09:33:42 -0400 Message-Id: <200307081333.h68DXg2K015435@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RRC tie rods and toe numbers Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hey folks, I went through and replaced all the ball joints in the drop arm, tie, and track rods on Cheryl's '92 last night. What a bonus to have the right tools for the job. I picked up a front end tool kit from ToolWarehouse. It's got 4 or 5 different pullers of various types that enabled me to do everything including pulling the drop arm off the steering box very quickly and painlessly. As usual though, the job was stopped in it's tracks as I was on the last joint, and I discovered the adjuster sleeve (on the LH end of the track rod) adjacent to that one had some big ol' cracks in it. The cracks were in the threaded area, and since that tube is a pretty thin wall, and I didn't have the right tap to clean it up, welding was out. Luckily, I called Charlie at LR Flatirons, and he had one in stock, so I'll be running up there at lunch time to pick it up. I even remembered to bring the key to the truck along so he can cut me some spares. I won't go into some of the troubles having only one key has brought. One key plus guy who sets things down and forgets where equals irate wife with guy 300 miles out of town in the back country! Though I guess if SWMBO is irate, 300 miles out of town is the place to be! :^) Anyhoo, I decided to time this tie rod end job in conjunction with new tires so I can have it aligned when they put the tires on. I checked the book and it said 0-2mm toe OUT. I just wanted to ask the group a couple questions, since my manual isn't real specific on a couple points: 1- Where exactly do you take the measurement? At the wheel rim? At the tread? At the widest section of the tire? I understand it's done at the hub center distance from the ground, but I can see that the distance apart the two measurements are taken will effect the actual setup (2mm difference at the tread will be less toe than 2mm at the rim). 2- Does tire size have an effect on the best toe number to shoot for? Unless the measurement is taken at the rim, the tire size will also introduce effects per above. 3- Do other folks out there have any recommendations for toe numbers they've found to work particularly well or badly, especially with regard to tire life and straight line highway stability? Thanks! -Dave G. From bens Tue Jul 8 09:56:24 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h68DuOix015610 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2003 09:56:24 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h68DuOvR015609 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 8 Jul 2003 09:56:24 -0400 Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 09:56:24 -0400 Message-Id: <200307081356.h68DuOYq015605@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: RRC tie rods and toe numbers Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Dave, On Tue, 8 Jul 2003 09:33:42 -0400 "Gomes, David" writes: > > Hey folks, > > I won't go into some > of the > troubles having only one key has brought. One key plus guy who sets > things > down and forgets where equals irate wife with guy 300 miles out of > town in [ 3 additional quoted lines pruned. ] Yup, gotta watch them red-heads: I'd imagine that it's "Hurricane Cheryl"! :) (one of my best friends is a red-head, and I don't envy her husband at all when she gets upset) Think I'll be taking a looksee at my tie rod ends now..... > 1- Where exactly do you take the measurement? At the wheel rim? At > the > tread? At the widest section of the tire? I understand it's done at > the hub > center distance from the ground, but I can see that the distance > apart the > two measurements are taken will effect the actual setup (2mm > difference at > the tread will be less toe than 2mm at the rim). I would guess that it wouldn't matter: 2mm is 2mm no matter where you measure. In my MGB days, I usually measured wherever it was easier at the time: if I had the front wheels off, I measured between the brake backing plates! (they don't move) > 2- Does tire size have an effect on the best toe number to shoot > for? > Unless the measurement is taken at the rim, the tire size will also > introduce effects per above. Never thought about this before, but I would think that if the tires were big enough, that they possibly could. > 3- Do other folks out there have any recommendations for toe numbers > they've > found to work particularly well or badly, especially with regard to > tire > life and straight line highway stability? What I did with MGB's, was to simply adjust using the "TLAR" method if I still got a little tire wear after adjusting to factory numbers. Charles ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! From bens Tue Jul 8 10:25:10 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h68EPAix015699 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2003 10:25:10 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h68EPATi015698 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 8 Jul 2003 10:25:10 -0400 Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 10:25:10 -0400 Message-Id: <200307081425.h68EPAC4015694@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: RRC tie rods and toe numbers Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "....Think I'll be taking a looksee at my tie rod ends now....." The cracks I found were in the adjuster sleeve adjacent to the tie rod end that attaches to the left wheel. There were cracks extending lengthwise about 2" along the tube, emanating from the slots that are cut underneath the adjustment fixing clamp near the ball joint. Really weird since the clamps were tight and there was no room for motion there. Maybe it was drilled a little off center and weakened or something. I can send pix if anyone wants them. -Dave G. From bens Tue Jul 8 10:30:09 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h68EU9ix015759 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2003 10:30:09 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h68EU9Xf015758 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 8 Jul 2003 10:30:09 -0400 Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 10:30:09 -0400 Message-Id: <200307081430.h68EU9pg015754@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Christopher Dow To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: OT dvd recorders for TV Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org John Hess wrote: >Hiya, > >Are DVD recorders (for TV) the ultimate thing? I'm taping the Tour De >France coverage and am not happy with tape, even on the best setting. >Can i jump to a DVD recorder and get rid of tape? Can I buy a DVD >recorder that will use a read write disk that is good picture quality? >Is MPEG 4 encoding really like source? Point me to good discussions? > While I understand your reluctance to deal with the monthly/lifetime fees, there are multiple reasons to switch to a TiVo or ReplayTV. I don't know the extent to which television causes filial strife in your house, but in our house it was a bit of a problem before PVRs. Now, we just tell the kids to record it on the Replay. We have an "only on weekends" TV policy, and I can't remember the last time we caught one of the boys watching TV after school (and they're not that sly, so we'd catch them if they were doing it). TiVo has a "Save to VCR" feature which will automatically control a VCR for archiving. It also has a MUCH better UI for the recording system than Replay. TiVos have only recently been networked, and that networking feature basically copies shows from one TiVo to another over a painfully slow USB 1.1 connection. Replay does not have the "Save to VCR" feature, but there is 3rd party open source software which pulls the shows off a networked replay (yes, it runs on a Mac), and other 3rd part software (runs on OS X as well as windows, linux...) which transcodes to MPEG4 at about 512kpbs vs. 6Mbps for high quality (those are both for video--at high quality, the audio is ~256kbps and the MPEG4 is 128kbps). The Replay has a better encoder than TiVo (the ReplayTV 4000 has the same encoder as the TiVo series 2, and I'm the one responsibel for changing that in the 5000). It also has automatic commercial skipping (in the 4000 and 5000--the 5500 due out this summer does not have it), which skips 90% of commercials and approximately 0.01% of content. While the 5500 does not have automatice commercial skipping, it does have the 30-second skip, and when you hit on the remote, it skips ahead (in the form of hmm). So, when the commercial starts, you can hit 3-skip, see if you're back to the show, and if not, hit the skip button to go forward by 30-second increments. Anyway, there are a LOT of reasons to get a PVR instead of a DVD recorder. Things might have changed, but last I looked, a PVR with lifetime service was still cheaper than a DVD recorder, and if you go the Replay route, you can still burn the DVDs. C From bens Tue Jul 8 10:31:28 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h68EVSix015773 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2003 10:31:28 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h68EVSCX015772 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 8 Jul 2003 10:31:28 -0400 Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 10:31:28 -0400 Message-Id: <200307081431.h68EVSV3015768@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Christopher Dow To: Christopher Dow Cc: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: OT dvd recorders for TV Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Christopher Dow wrote: > Anyway, there are a LOT of reasons to get a PVR instead of a DVD > recorder. Things might have changed, but last I looked, a PVR with > lifetime service was still cheaper than a DVD recorder, and if you go > the Replay route, you can still burn the DVDs. Silly me. That is not to say there's any reason why you can't hook a DVD recorder up to either box for archival purposes. There's just more D/A/D going on. C From bens Tue Jul 8 15:04:35 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h68J4Zix016537 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2003 15:04:35 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h68J4ZJq016536 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 8 Jul 2003 15:04:35 -0400 Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 15:04:35 -0400 Message-Id: <200307081904.h68J4Z2b016532@minbar.fourfold.org> From: charles phu To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: difficulty in engaging gears Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset=us-ascii ] [ 8 lines filtered. ] Thanks Joe. Then I tried it but no good still. The linkage from the slave cylinder is fine, too. I think I'll bring it to Mike at WCB tomorrow to check. cp joe mulqueen wrote: Charles, Try pumping the pedal a few times before moving the shifter. If the gears engage better than before, the problem is likely due to worn hydraulic internals. Joe Mulqueen '67 SIIA 109 SW Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2003 20:24:52 -0400 From: charles phu Subject: difficulty in engaging gears After some freeway drivning this afternoon and parked for a couple of minutes, I started experiencing difficulty in engaging gears on my series IIA 109 NADA 6. I hardly can engage into 1st, 2nd and cannot engage 3 and 4 at all when car still and motor on. when engine off, I can easily engage all gears with and without applying clutch, as usual.... __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! From bens Tue Jul 8 17:11:15 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h68LBFix016888 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2003 17:11:15 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h68LBFAA016887 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 8 Jul 2003 17:11:15 -0400 Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 17:11:15 -0400 Message-Id: <200307082111.h68LBFI9016883@minbar.fourfold.org> From: B C To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Replacement Tires Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I have 1999 4.6 with Michelin Tires. I have one that is worn and needs to be replaced. I was told that the Michelin Tires I have are not made anymore and that since it is all-time four wheel drive that I should replace all four tires. I can not find anywhere in the owner's manual that says I need to replace all four. It just says you can't interchange from front to rear. Do any of you know for sure how many tires I should replace and any other tire options for replacement. Thanks, Bryan Carter Sacramento __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From bens Tue Jul 8 17:46:03 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h68Lk3ix016946 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2003 17:46:03 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h68Lk35X016945 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 8 Jul 2003 17:46:03 -0400 Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 17:46:03 -0400 Message-Id: <200307082146.h68Lk3G2016941@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Replacement Tires Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org The main suggestion I'd make first and foremost is to find and correct the problem that resulted in premature wear of a single tire. These cars normally wear tires more evenly than any other I've owned. And that's WITHOUT rotating them. I'm not sure where that suggestion comes from not to swap the tires front to rear, but as far as I know, that's the proper rotation practice - swap front and rear tires on the same side (don't change direction of rotation). If the other tires have more than 75% of their original tread still intact, you should be able to replace the single worn tire with no ill effects to the vehicle's systems, as long as you replace it with the same tire. In your case, this might mean moving the spare into that spot and making your worn tire the spare, if the exact tire is no longer available. If you're going to switch sizes or types, or if the other tires are worn more than 25%, you'd be best off replacing the tires as a set of four. As far as what brand or type, it's totally personal preference based on your driving style and what you want out of the tire. Anything out there that's load and speed rated the same as the original tires will do just fine. If the original size isn't available, any tire store, or a place like Tirerack will be able to suggest the nearest replacement size. -Dave G. From bens Tue Jul 8 17:57:37 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h68Lvbix017040 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2003 17:57:37 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h68LvbOt017039 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 8 Jul 2003 17:57:37 -0400 Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 17:57:37 -0400 Message-Id: <200307082157.h68LvbMv017035@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Franklin H. Yap" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Replacement Tires Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Gomes, David wrote: >... I'm not sure where that suggestion comes from not to >swap the tires front to rear, but as far as I know, that's the proper >rotation practice - swap front and rear tires on the same side (don't change >direction of rotation). > I think LR may have this in their handbook (no rotation) that comes with the vehicle. Frank From bens Tue Jul 8 18:14:47 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h68MElix017205 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2003 18:14:47 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h68MElEq017204 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 8 Jul 2003 18:14:47 -0400 Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 18:14:47 -0400 Message-Id: <200307082214.h68MEld4017200@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kerner, Rob" To: Subject: RE: Replacement Tires Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I know costco will not put 2 tires on a full time 4x4 because of they don't want the liability of damage that could occur. Essentially the new different diameter would have the wheels travelling different speeds and could cause failure of the viscous unit. -Rob From bens Tue Jul 8 18:32:12 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h68MWCix017311 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2003 18:32:12 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h68MWCiB017310 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 8 Jul 2003 18:32:12 -0400 Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 18:32:11 -0400 Message-Id: <200307082232.h68MWBFi017306@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bruce Grove To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Replacement Tires Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org How can you damage a viscous coupling? There's no mechanical linkage, in fact my understanding of some of the benefits of a viscous coupling is that it allows wheels to spin at different speeds, otherwise we'd all be trashing our 4wd's everytime we went round a corner. Diff lockers on the other hand.... Bruce Kerner, Rob wrote: > I know costco will not put 2 tires on a full time 4x4 because of they > don't want the liability of damage that could occur. Essentially the > new different diameter would have the wheels travelling different speeds > and could cause failure of the viscous unit. > > -Rob > > From bens Tue Jul 8 18:48:10 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h68MmAix017335 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2003 18:48:10 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h68MmAf4017334 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 8 Jul 2003 18:48:10 -0400 Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 18:48:10 -0400 Message-Id: <200307082248.h68MmAOA017330@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kerner, Rob" To: Subject: RE: Replacement Tires Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Well from what I understood, is that if significantly different diameter tires are on the vehicle the Viscous coupling will be working overtime, until it craps out. -Rob <<<<<<; Tue, 8 Jul 2003 19:29:59 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h68NTx4U017399 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 8 Jul 2003 19:29:59 -0400 Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 19:29:59 -0400 Message-Id: <200307082329.h68NTxQV017395@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Replacement Tires Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "...if significantly different diameter tires are on the vehicle the Viscous coupling will be working overtime, until it craps out...." Absolutely true. That's why I put the 25% tread difference limiter in there. This amount of difference in rolling radius (or more pertinently revs per mile) will be under that of normal inflation differences etc etc. And if the Costco rule is for tires on the same axle, the VC doesn't come into play anyway. As usual they're drawing the line at a place everyone can understand and abide by - zero tolerance. In reality the line can be moved a little off of that point. But there are good reasons not to deviate by a great amount. -Dave G. From bens Tue Jul 8 19:53:23 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h68NrNix017454 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2003 19:53:23 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h68NrNaS017453 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 8 Jul 2003 19:53:23 -0400 Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 19:53:23 -0400 Message-Id: <200307082353.h68NrNT6017449@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Eric Johnson" To: Subject: "They Call Me, Mr. Sieve" - long Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org After the Black Rock / Tahoe shakedown cruise of my previously un-christened '62 88, I determined to give it the appropriate moniker - 'Mr. Sieve". As in - "Leaks like a ..." Suff. D IIA gearbox Transfer case _Access plate and rear output shaft seal gas tank driver side rear axel seal Most gearbox spewage is from the top selector shaft plate not being tightened enough. The transfer case is an Ashcroft, which was rebuilt. Matt at BCB says it need an o-ring groove machined in the idler gear shaft hole. gas tank - the nut for the compression fitting was decompressing gradually as I drove around. Massive gas spewage noted in Wadsworth. Fixed. The rear axel seal will be delt with summarily. Other gltches - broke the speedo cable 3rd gear pops out after letting off gas The custom wound alternator never alternated. I thought I had a voltage leak somewhere in the wiring, but a check across the battery terminals showed no change when the engine was reved. Spent July 4 morning in front of Riebes Auto Parts in Auburn, changing out the alternator. Very helpful folks, knowledgable about basics and not just order takers like Kragens. Burt spent lots of tiime tryiing to match pictures with the alternator. Success. About every 10 minutes or so, someone would come over to comment on the Rover."What year? Nice truck" " A friend of mine used to have a couple" "Thats cool, I just got a '65 Scout" (!?!) On to Gerlach Turns out, the Burning Man crew had a 4th of July mini event out there. The rave crowd types were almost all gone by the time I got there. I guess those with the worst hangovers, or those who couldn't find their cars the night before, were still in a few isolated clumps out on the flats. Double Hot Springs was already taken over when I got there. I parked on the opposite side of the springs and had a fine night of star-gazing. The gas tnak leak made its presence abundently clear on the trip from Double Hot to Wadsworth, or wherever that 76 station is just off 80. Left Gerlach with just over 1/2 tank - about 6-7 gallons. I used all but 1/2 gallon to go 60 miles. Things seemed to go swimmingly after that. And they did, until near Manteca. The head wind had to be around 40 +. I pretty much had my foot buried from Manteca to Livermore. Noises and Missing. The high-pitched whirring sound when letting out the clutch made its appearance known in Livermore. I drove to West Coast British and of course, it wouldn't do it for Mike. To fix the 3rd gear issue, Mike thought the nut on the tranny output shaft needed to be checked. The one that requires the "special tool". The engine had been performing flawlessly to this point, and apparently felt left out of the festivities. To get in on the fun, it began to miss on acceleration or under a load. It also seemed to loose power. When stopped, I could rev the engine with no indication of hesitation or miss or backfire. Hmmm... Made it up Sunol grade fine, but it missed and made a nice backfire on Mission Blvd. On 880 to home, it seemed fine. We shall see. One of the main goals of the tour was to see how the Davis 3.0L would perform. Power-wise, I cruise at 2800 which, according to Terri-Ann's site, is moving rather smartly @ 65 MPH. More power is available thru 3500 rpm, how far I don't know. I did go over Donner Pass without having to downshift to 3rd. This carrying an extra heavy load and Trac-edges filled to 45 lbs. Under-inflated for the weight I had. Mileage is inconclusive due to the gas tank fitting leak. However, after I tighted it, the trip from Meyers in Tahoe Basin to Livermore took just over 10 gallons. And thats with the pedal almost floored from Manteca on, due to the head wind. Over-all, I'm happy with the engine. A good choice if you want mo' powa' , but don't want to cut up the body with a V-8. And change a bunch of other stuff. But it is not nearly as smooth as a V-8, either. So the rattles and buzzes persist. From bens Tue Jul 8 19:57:53 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h68Nvrix017468 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2003 19:57:53 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h68NvrCD017467 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 8 Jul 2003 19:57:53 -0400 Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 19:57:53 -0400 Message-Id: <200307082357.h68NvrrF017463@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Rose, Randy" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: difficulty in engaging gears Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 47 lines filtered. ] I've lost your original post, so I don't know if you tried bleeding the clutch. If you have, then all this is wrong. If not, bleeding should give temporary results: Engine heat is expanding a small bit of air in the clutch hydraulics. I'd suspect the slave cylinder as the culprit. If you want, crawl under and see if the slave cylinder is weeping or moist, or if you can, peel back the dust boot on the slave and check. I forget how easy that is or not, I've had a Series I for too many years and it has a mechanical clutch linkage ;) The master cylinder can do the same thing, but as the reservoir pipe is on the high end, air tends to get evacuated back into the reservoir. Also, since pumping doesn't help, I'd suspect any air is on the slave end. Randy From bens Tue Jul 8 23:38:42 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h693cgix018033 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2003 23:38:42 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h693cgtG018032 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 8 Jul 2003 23:38:42 -0400 Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 23:38:42 -0400 Message-Id: <200307090338.h693cgv7018028@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Peter Ogilvie To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Tire Rotation was Replacement Tires Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org For a long time, radials would delaminate if rotation was reversed as per the old style bias rotation routine. That's the reason for the front to back, same side, only, rotation. Recently, I've talked with a couple of dealers and they said that you can go back to the old style tire rotation. Apparently the new radials can be run in both directions, so you can rotate anyway that feels good. Might want to check with the manufacturers but these dealers were pretty knowledgable tire stores. Aloha Peter O. --- "Franklin H. Yap" wrote: > > Gomes, David wrote: > > >... I'm not sure where that suggestion comes from > not to > >swap the tires front to rear, but as far as I know, > that's the proper > >rotation practice - swap front and rear tires on > the same side (don't change [ 11 additional quoted lines pruned. ] __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From bens Tue Jul 8 23:41:06 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h693f6ix018059 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2003 23:41:06 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h693f6qY018058 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 8 Jul 2003 23:41:06 -0400 Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 23:41:06 -0400 Message-Id: <200307090341.h693f60m018054@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Granville" To: Subject: Re: "They Call Me, Mr. Sieve" - long Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Interesting story, Eric. Thanks! Granny From bens Tue Jul 8 23:43:43 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h693hhix018092 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2003 23:43:43 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h693hh3J018091 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 8 Jul 2003 23:43:43 -0400 Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 23:43:43 -0400 Message-Id: <200307090343.h693hhh2018087@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Granville" To: Subject: Re: Tire Rotation was Replacement Tires Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Peter O wrote: > rotation. Apparently the new radials can be run in > both directions, so you can rotate anyway that feels > good. Might want to check with the manufacturers but > these dealers were pretty knowledgable tire stores. I've reached the same conclusion, after years of steadfast adherance to the same-side regimin. Last time I had mine rotated, I did the X thing. Granny From bens Wed Jul 9 01:06:33 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h6956Xix018459 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2003 01:06:33 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h6956XbK018458 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 9 Jul 2003 01:06:33 -0400 Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 01:06:33 -0400 Message-Id: <200307090506.h6956Xug018454@minbar.fourfold.org> From: John Hess To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: difficulty in engaging gears Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Randy, how the heck are you? Long time see your name. how's the 107? On Tuesday, July 8, 2003, at 04:57 PM, Rose, Randy wrote: > > [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] > [ Included Original Message ] > [ 47 lines filtered. ] > I've lost your original post, so I don't know if you tried bleeding the > clutch. If you have, then all this is wrong. If not, bleeding should > give > temporary results: > Engine heat is expanding a small bit of air in the clutch hydraulics. [ 18 additional quoted lines pruned. ] John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Land Rover Dormobile web pages: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby" 1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" mine: 1999 Bianchi Milano, 2001 Bianchi Pista, 2002 Merlin Extra Fat, ours:2002 Meridian Attache Softride Tandem From bens Wed Jul 9 01:10:09 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h695A9ix018475 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2003 01:10:09 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h695A9FC018474 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 9 Jul 2003 01:10:09 -0400 Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 01:10:08 -0400 Message-Id: <200307090510.h695A86Q018470@minbar.fourfold.org> From: joe mulqueen To: mendo Subject: re. "They Call Me, Mr. Sieve" - long Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Eric, If your tranny brake hub leaked with a new seal like mine did, there's probably too much damage to the hub surface. It could be a groove or even stray dents in the metal (caused by careless hub R&R). I installed a Speedisleeve and I haven't seen even the slightest oil stain on the dusty surface since. Now if I could keep the oil from getting by the shift forks......... Joe Mulqueen '67 SIIA 109 SW Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 19:53:23 -0400 From: "Eric Johnson" Subject: "They Call Me, Mr. Sieve" - long Suff. D IIA gearbox rear output shaft seal................ __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From bens Wed Jul 9 01:18:45 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h695Ijix018489 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2003 01:18:45 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h695Ijnr018488 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 9 Jul 2003 01:18:45 -0400 Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 01:18:45 -0400 Message-Id: <200307090518.h695IjMV018484@minbar.fourfold.org> From: John Hess To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: difficulty in engaging gears Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org During the redoing of Stubby's drivetrain, I had an issue like this without knowing it. I had installed the new tranny (hrtc) and a new slave cylinder. The slave cylinder on the truck had a very nice, original looking spacer between the mounting bracket and the slave. I removed it and installed the new slave, measuring the distance from a couple point like in the green bible. I thought I had the slave set up correctly, I bled everything and though the clutch did disengage, it bothered me that 1) the pedal seemed to stop before the floor and 2) the clutch didn't really disengage from the flywheel until the very end of the pedal stroke. I drove it for a while, and first gear was the shits to shift into. I kinda got sick of it and was reinvestigating, including putting the spacer back in, even tho the spacer would influence the clutch release in the negative way. Any how, the clutch worked, the hydraulics worked, but things were off. I adjusted the clutch so the end of the slave push rod was say 1/4 inch threaded into the corresponding "nut" on the clutch release lever thing. The clutch worked way better and more like before the engine rebuild/new tranny. So, that's the way it is now. I don't know if the difference is because of the bracket (series 2?) or the clutch master or what, but Stubby is great. BTW Stubby is topless and I no longer feel the need to buy a Tiger. woe is me. On Tuesday, July 8, 2003, at 12:04 PM, charles phu wrote: > > [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] > [ text/html; charset=us-ascii ] > [ 8 lines filtered. ] > > Thanks Joe. Then I tried it but no good still. The linkage from the > slave cylinder is fine, too. I think I'll bring it to Mike at WCB > tomorrow to check. > [ 34 additional quoted lines pruned. ] John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Land Rover Dormobile web pages: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby" 1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" mine: 1999 Bianchi Milano, 2001 Bianchi Pista, 2002 Merlin Extra Fat, ours:2002 Meridian Attache Softride Tandem From bens Wed Jul 9 02:14:44 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h696Eiix018533 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2003 02:14:44 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h696Ei8v018532 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 9 Jul 2003 02:14:44 -0400 Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 02:14:44 -0400 Message-Id: <200307090614.h696EiQ8018528@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Rick Larson" To: Subject: Anyone interested in a '94 D90 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; ] [ 195 lines filtered. ] charset="us-ascii" I am planning on selling my well used '94 D90. It is just time for a change and a new project. Probably about 60-70K miles, but until I dig up the old speedo don't quote me. Mechanically in decent shape, body needs work... Beluga Black, limited edition leather interior, very modified. Supercharger, automatic, stainless exhaust, 35" Goodyear MTR's, bumpers, winch, engine driven air compressor, SG stage III suspension, the list goes on and on... It is a very competent, serious, off road vehicle. It passed CA smog 2 weeks ago. It will probably take a week or two to catalog all the parts/accessories on and off the vehicle and in my and figure out pricing. I would much prefer selling to a local LR person and thought I'd give the list a heads up. Let me know if you are interested. -Rick From bens Wed Jul 9 03:20:27 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h697KRix018580 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2003 03:20:27 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h697KRxR018579 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 9 Jul 2003 03:20:27 -0400 Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 03:20:26 -0400 Message-Id: <200307090720.h697KQZW018575@minbar.fourfold.org> From: CHRISBONIN@aol.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: What would a ball park price be for a 59 Series Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset="US-ASCII" ] [ 9 lines filtered. ] The truck is orignal but has a bad motor. If the truck itself is in good condition. Can someone give me a round about price if i was to purchase it. Thanks Chris From bens Wed Jul 9 09:30:47 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h69DUlix019172 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2003 09:30:47 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h69DUl0B019171 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 9 Jul 2003 09:30:47 -0400 Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 09:30:47 -0400 Message-Id: <200307091330.h69DUlPq019167@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Daniel Oppenheim" To: Subject: Dash warning lights for Ser II Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; ] [ 26 lines filtered. ] charset="iso-8859-1" Hi all alternate British car parts people, I'm looking to find what other cars from the 60's might have used the = same warning lights (charge, mixture and oil). They are NLA from Land = Rover part houses. I think one was yellow, one was green, and one was red. Any leads = greatly appreciated. I'm looking for new ones only. Thanks. Daniel From bens Wed Jul 9 09:53:41 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h69Drfix019311 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2003 09:53:41 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h69DrfDW019310 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 9 Jul 2003 09:53:41 -0400 Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 09:53:40 -0400 Message-Id: <200307091353.h69DreSB019306@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Benjamin Smith To: mendo_recce@minbar.fourfold.org Subject: LRDG Questions Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org A long, long time ago around a campfire at mendo event around 1996ish we had a conversation about the British Long Range Desert Group. Why does this come to mind now? I was in B&N a few weeks ago and spied a book "The Lost Oasis" by Saul Kelly. The subtitles for the book are "The Desert War and the Hunt for Zerzura" and "The True Story Behind _The English Patient_" I picked up the book since I like the desert and the scenery in the movie was stunning. And I always like to find out the real history behind things. I finished it on the train this morning. Well, about all that was true in the movie was the some of of the places, that there were desert explorers for the Royal Geographic Society and WWII. The "English" patient was really a Count Ladislaus Almasy, a Hungarian who survived the war, was homosexual, and died in 1951 of liver issues. And his romantic interest in the movie? She had a different name and died in a plane crash in 1933 in England year or so after her husband died. And she actively disliked Almasy. Anyway truth was much more ineteresting than fiction. The group in the book formed the Zerzura Club to try and find the lost Oasis. Some members formed and commanded the LRDG. Almasy did the same for the Germans but wasn't as successful. Anyway, back to the question. I remember a conversation about the LRDG and dune formation. Someone (Jeremy??) was saying that one of the LRDG people wrote the definitive book on the LRDG and also on dune formation. In this book I found a reference to: "The Physics of Blown Sand and Desert Dunes" cira 1935 by Ralph Bagnold (founder and 1st CO of the LRDG) And "the classic" history of the LRDG written in 1945 by Bill Kennedy Shaw Are these the books that we were talking about? Ben From bens Wed Jul 9 10:19:59 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h69EJxix019472 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2003 10:19:59 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h69EJxPf019471 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 9 Jul 2003 10:19:59 -0400 Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 10:19:58 -0400 Message-Id: <200307091419.h69EJwDx019467@minbar.fourfold.org> From: John Hess To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: What would a ball park price be for a 59 Series Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org How original? Seats/door panels/ door seals. Could be that everything rubber needs replacing. The engine is a series 2 and should be changed to 2a or 3. The tranny is series 2 which has lower low ( I think). Stubby was a series 2 and is now series 2, 2a and 3. ask a non runner sitting there, I'd say 1-2K. lower range if body panels are dented, and higher if the truck actually looks like it would clean up and be visually OK. if I'm off, sound out! On Wednesday, July 9, 2003, at 12:20 AM, CHRISBONIN@aol.com wrote: > > [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] > [ text/html; charset="US-ASCII" ] > [ 9 lines filtered. ] > > > The truck is orignal but has a bad motor. If the truck itself is in > good > condition. Can someone give me a round about price if i was to [ 6 additional quoted lines pruned. ] John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Land Rover Dormobile web pages: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby" 1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" mine: 1999 Bianchi Milano, 2001 Bianchi Pista, 2002 Merlin Extra Fat, ours:2002 Meridian Attache Softride Tandem From bens Wed Jul 9 10:32:29 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h69EWTix019509 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2003 10:32:29 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h69EWTBe019508 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 9 Jul 2003 10:32:29 -0400 Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 10:32:28 -0400 Message-Id: <200307091432.h69EWSfb019504@minbar.fourfold.org> From: John Hess To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Dash warning lights for Ser II Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org try classic-parts.co.uk http://www.holden.co.uk/ http://www.vintagemotorspares.com/ On Wednesday, July 9, 2003, at 06:30 AM, Daniel Oppenheim wrote: John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Land Rover Dormobile web pages: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby" 1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" mine: 1999 Bianchi Milano, 2001 Bianchi Pista, 2002 Merlin Extra Fat, ours:2002 Meridian Attache Softride Tandem From bens Wed Jul 9 11:17:07 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h69FH7ix019748 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2003 11:17:07 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h69FH780019747 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 9 Jul 2003 11:17:07 -0400 Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 11:17:07 -0400 Message-Id: <200307091517.h69FH78M019743@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Daniel Oppenheim" To: Subject: Re: Dash warning lights for Ser II Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Thanks John, They both have 'um, but with chrome bezels..yuck..looks like a paint job is in order here...nonetheless, ordered and on the way.. cheers Daniel ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hess" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 7:32 AM Subject: Re: Dash warning lights for Ser II > > try > classic-parts.co.uk > http://www.holden.co.uk/ > http://www.vintagemotorspares.com/ > > > > On Wednesday, July 9, 2003, at 06:30 AM, Daniel Oppenheim wrote: [ 11 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Wed Jul 9 11:25:30 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h69FPUix019813 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2003 11:25:30 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h69FPUXs019812 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 9 Jul 2003 11:25:30 -0400 Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 11:25:29 -0400 Message-Id: <200307091525.h69FPT0d019808@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Benjamin Smith To: mendo_recce@minbar.fourfold.org Subject: "Gods Must Be Crazy" star found dead Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org http://www.namibian.com.na/2003/june/national/03DFC10047.html ------- Forwarded Message 'Gods Must Be Crazy' star found dead TANGENI AMUPADHI NAMIBIA'S world-famous actor, Gcao Coma, who starred in 'The Gods Must Be Crazy', died in the Tsumkwe area last week. The cause of his death will be determined in the next few days after an autopsy is completed. The diminutive film star, also known as N!xau or G!kau, died on Wednesday while walking alone near his village. Coma was found lying in the path to his home with his bow, arrows, and a bag strapped across his shoulder, Police spokesman Warrant Officer Christopher Munyika said yesterday. Police confirmed his death, saying he was 59, although he had in the past said he was not sure of his age. He had suffered from TB (tuberculosis) for years. Munyika said his body was still at the mortuary waiting for a post-mortem to be performed. A speaker of Ju/'hoansi, one of several clicking-sound languages spoken in former Bushmanland, Coma catapulted from the sandswept remote areas of the Kalahari Desert to international stardom in the 1980s with his leading role in the film about primitive lifestyles colliding with modernity. In 'The Gods Must Be Crazy' the community chose Coma to get rid of a "cursed" alien object that "dropped from the sky" - a Coca-Cola bottle that was thrown from a plane flying over their area. The bottle caused unhappiness in the community with children fighting over it and hitting each other. So Coma had to walk to the end of the world and throw it away. The film became a worldwide hit and raked in US$66 million (N$495 million at today's rates) at the box office. At the time the film was the most successful foreign movie ever shown in the United States. When South African film director Jamie Uys discovered Coma, the Namibian had had little exposure to the outside world. He lived a hunter-gatherer life - one of the world's oldest cultures which had survived thousands of years unchanged in southern Africa. Coma had only seen three white people before he starred in the film. He went on to star in several sequels and to act in movies made in China, Hong Kong and Japan. His first pay-out disappeared quickly with many hangers-on taking advantage of the illiterate actor's ignorance of the cash economy. Some speculated that he left cash lying about at his rudimentary house to be blown away by wind or be eaten up by hyenas. Reports said a Rolex watch and radios he received in Japan during a promotional tour were left lying in the bush as he trekked with fellow nomadic tribesman, because he did not attach value to the material world. But he received a pay-out said to be N$150 000 in the late 1980s, which he used to build a brick house at Tsumkwe for N$80 000. He also bought a bakkie for N$15 000 and employed a chauffeur to drive him around. But Coma gave all that up to return to village life. More than a decade later, Coma complained of being short-changed by the film-makers. But Uys's company, Mimosa Films, always insisted they took care of his best interests. Coma tried stock farming, keeping no more than 20 cattle at a time to enable him to keep track of his wealth as his arithmetic was rudimentary. He sold some cattle and goats, and lost others to lions that roam that part of north-east Namibia. By 2000, Coma had a plot of land at Gamsa village where he planted maize, pumpkins and beans. Coma had several children from two marriages, but his wives had died. It is not clear whether he had another wife at the time of his death. He is also survived by grandchildren. ------- End of Forwarded Message From bens Wed Jul 9 11:41:49 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h69Ffnix019973 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2003 11:41:49 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h69FfnSW019972 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 9 Jul 2003 11:41:49 -0400 Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 11:41:49 -0400 Message-Id: <200307091541.h69FfnPG019968@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Eric Johnson" To: Subject: Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org From bens Wed Jul 9 11:53:29 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h69FrTix020029 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2003 11:53:29 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h69FrTO8020028 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 9 Jul 2003 11:53:29 -0400 Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 11:53:29 -0400 Message-Id: <200307091553.h69FrTwr020024@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Eric Johnson" To: Subject: Value of '59 - WCB has a Rebuilt, Tweeked 2.25 (2.5 cam, 32/36 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org If it needs an engine, Mike at WCB has an engine that he just rebuilt. The owner is getting a d-i-v-o-r-c-e and is selling it for about 60 % of real cost. The guy needs/wants around $3200. H.P estimated at around 100. or for a bit more - a pre-run in R.Davis 3.0L with considerably more torque and H.P. From bens Wed Jul 9 12:34:58 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h69GYwix020125 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2003 12:34:58 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h69GYwOU020124 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 9 Jul 2003 12:34:58 -0400 Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 12:34:58 -0400 Message-Id: <200307091634.h69GYwac020120@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Brian Horner To: Mendo Recce List Subject: Sighting Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Saw a red 109" Series (with safari windows) on the back of a AAA flatbed heading over the San Mateo Bridge this morning. Our guess was that it was enroute to West Coast British in Livermore - were we right? Cheers! Brian From bens Wed Jul 9 12:53:20 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h69GrKix020159 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2003 12:53:20 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h69GrKq3020158 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 9 Jul 2003 12:53:20 -0400 Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 12:53:20 -0400 Message-Id: <200307091653.h69GrK5e020154@minbar.fourfold.org> From: john hess To: Mendo Recce List Subject: OT: new computer scam Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org sorta like the Best Buy thing discussed here recently, FYI, Intrusion detection specialists Internet Storm Center (ISC) on Monday raised an alarm for a fake PayPal site using a valid SSL (define) to dupe users into giving up personal information. By using a legitimate SSL certificate to masquerade as a PayPal site, scammers are now adopting trickier techniques to perpetuate identify theft that are not as easy to spot, the ISC warned. john hess, Davis, California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Dormie web pages at http://dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/startpoint.html From bens Wed Jul 9 13:31:46 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h69HVjix020337 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2003 13:31:45 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h69HVjHx020336 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 9 Jul 2003 13:31:45 -0400 Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 13:31:45 -0400 Message-Id: <200307091731.h69HVjET020332@minbar.fourfold.org> From: charles phu To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Sighting Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset=us-ascii ] [ 8 lines filtered. ] Yup. That's my Xiaohong. I ended up not having time to deal with the hydraulic/clutch stuff so just decided to send it over to Mike, have him conduct an overall look at the system. charles Brian Horner wrote: Saw a red 109" Series (with safari windows) on the back of a AAA flatbed heading over the San Mateo Bridge this morning. Our guess was that it was enroute to West Coast British in Livermore - were we right? Cheers! Brian --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! From bens Wed Jul 9 14:22:05 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h69IM5ix020574 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2003 14:22:05 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h69IM5K7020573 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 9 Jul 2003 14:22:05 -0400 Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 14:22:05 -0400 Message-Id: <200307091822.h69IM5Wl020569@minbar.fourfold.org> From: shukait@mac.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Finishing up the Disco XD Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org All, I'm looking to finish off the Discovery so I'm ready for the Nevada trip. A. Has anyone used Mike Aedo's "Aedofab Anti-Sway Bar Quick Disconnect Kit for the Discovery Series I" I found these on http://www.discoweb.org/ there $125 for all four corners. the complete kit has: 1. New rubber bushings to replace your current ones that are likely to be warped and/or rotted 2. Stainless steel sleeves flanged at each end. The flanges allow the rubber bushings to stay seated when you disconnect the sway bars. 3. Stainless steel pins, drilled at each end. On one end, a cotter pin will be already inserted, bent, and filed to remove any sharp edges 4. Washers 5. Removable Cotter Pin Any problems with them? B. I managed to put a very small dent in my front diff housing on the Blue Lakes Run last year. I want to put some diff guards on, but would like some input on the best type. I saw some for the Defender on BP site that protected almost all of the diff, but not sure it I need all that. The defender type won't fit the Disco. C. Rock Sliders, thinking about going with the Rovertym sliders as they look like they might give a little more side protection, who running them and are you happy? How was the install? Feed Back for you... I got the high performance brake kit from Atlantic British and wanted to give you feed back on what they're like: Cons: They make a lot of noise. I called AB and the tech stated that when the pads pass over the drilled holes the air makes a swishing sound. If you have the windows up you can't hear it, if the windows are down and your next to something that reflects the sound back, it gets loud. The Kevlar pads don't stop well until their heated up, if the pads are cold be-careful or you'll hit something. I almost took out the front door at the inlaws house in Lake Tahoe. The driveway comes up to the front door and it's a steep down hill run. Pros: Once up to temp the stop really well. The AB tech says to go with the Ferodo pads next time and I won't have the heating up problem. I also got the OME medium springs and shocks. I love them, the ride is nicer and the lift looks good. No cons here I like everything about them. I can't wait to finish the truck, disconnect the sway bars and see how she handles off road. Cheers, Keith & Pam Shukait 1997 Land Rover Discovery XD "YLLWJKT" 1969 Land Rover Series IIA ExMoD 109 Regular "Millie" 1967 Land Rover Series IIA NADA 6 Cylinder Dormobile "Indiana" From bens Wed Jul 9 14:23:41 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h69INfix020589 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2003 14:23:41 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h69INfsk020588 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 9 Jul 2003 14:23:41 -0400 Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 14:23:40 -0400 Message-Id: <200307091823.h69INe2j020584@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Joe Ward To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: "Literary" sighting Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org A random web search turned up this snippet. Apparently the U.S. military has a high opinion of Land Rovers too. https://hosta.atsc.eustis.army.mil/cgi-bin/atdl.dll/accp/in0828/in0828_top.h tm j. Effect of the Desert on Vehicle Mobility The choice of vehicle used in a desert operation has less to do with mobility than the skill of the driver. An agile vehicle will sink up to the hubs if its driver insists on gunning the engine in soft sand. On the other hand, a U. S. Dodge truck made for use on blacktop will perform acceptably offroad when operated by a driver adept at gearing, speed control, braking, and steering. For all-around maneuver-ability regardless of driver performance, the British Leyland Land Rover is high on the list, and other support vehicles (U. S. Dodge and Austrian Steyr trucks) are rated below that. This assumes operation in a "mixed" desert of soft sand, packed sand, and rock. There is no resident experience in operating in dunes. However, it is suspected that, in extensive stretches of soft sand, support vehicles would be greatly slowed by bad footing. Sand and dust and "cap rock" that support the occasional vehicle can become impassable if several vehicles use the same route. The dust cloud also presents a safety problem in reduced visibility for vehicles following in a column. Joe Ward Technical Writer ventaso 415.364.6475 jward@ventaso.com Ventaso - the Customer Message Management solution. www.ventaso.com From bens Wed Jul 9 14:23:42 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h69INgix020601 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2003 14:23:42 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h69INgBQ020600 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 9 Jul 2003 14:23:42 -0400 Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 14:23:41 -0400 Message-Id: <200307091823.h69INfbK020596@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Elam, Gerry (CORP)" To: "'mendo'" Subject: WSJ article... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Today's WSJ had a good article on the states' response to closure of wilderness areas by claiming right-of-way under an 1866 statute... pretty good article. The reporter filed the report from Monticello Utah. You might be able for find it on-line.... Cheers, Gerry From bens Wed Jul 9 15:18:08 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h69JI8ix020734 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2003 15:18:08 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h69JI8Ed020733 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 9 Jul 2003 15:18:08 -0400 Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 15:18:08 -0400 Message-Id: <200307091918.h69JI8cI020729@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Mark Pilkington To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Roll bar Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Does anyone know who in the Sacramento area makes or sells roll bars. Thansk. Mark Pilkington From bens Wed Jul 9 15:18:44 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h69JIiix020749 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2003 15:18:44 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h69JIiDZ020748 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 9 Jul 2003 15:18:44 -0400 Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 15:18:44 -0400 Message-Id: <200307091918.h69JIiSc020744@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Benjamin Smith To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: WSJ article... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In message <200307091823.h69INfbK020596@minbar.fourfold.org>you wrote: > Today's WSJ had a good article on the states' response to closure of > wilderness areas by claiming right-of-way under an 1866 statute... pretty > good article. The reporter filed the report from Monticello Utah. WSJ.com appears to be a pay-for site other than the front page. However I did find this article that may be related: http://www.slweekly.com/editorial/2003/feat_2003-06-26.cfm Ben From bens Wed Jul 9 16:48:52 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h69Kmqix021080 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2003 16:48:52 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h69KmqVS021079 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 9 Jul 2003 16:48:52 -0400 Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 16:48:52 -0400 Message-Id: <200307092048.h69Kmq9W021075@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Roger Sinasohn To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: What would a ball park price be for a 59 Series Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org At 03:20 AM 7/9/03 -0400, you wrote: >The truck is orignal but has a bad motor. If the truck itself is in good >condition. Can someone give me a round about price if i was to purchase it. 88 or 109? 2-door or 4-door? Hardtop, softtop, pickup? 15" or 16" wheels? Locking hubs? Winch? Other accessories? I'd agree with John Hess, if it's an 88"; another grand if 109 2-door; as much as $4k if 109 2-door. Not that I'm biased or anything. 8^) (Though I think that a '59 4-door 109" would be very tempting for me right now --seats for kids, with room for gear and camping...) --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger@sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/ From bens Wed Jul 9 17:39:40 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h69Ldeix021214 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2003 17:39:40 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h69Lde9v021213 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 9 Jul 2003 17:39:40 -0400 Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 17:39:40 -0400 Message-Id: <200307092139.h69LdeqN021209@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: What would a ball park price be for a 59 Series Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > I'd agree with John Hess, if it's an 88"; another grand if 109 2-door; > as > much as $4k if 109 2-door. Not that I'm biased or anything. 8^) I suspect you must be. I thought rebuildable 109 2-doors with hard top start at around $10K. 88's? They are good for converting into short off road trailers or 109 support vehicles I suppose. ;*) > TeriAnn J. Wakeman Marigold Ltd. www.marigoldltd.com From bens Wed Jul 9 17:42:45 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h69Lgjix021231 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2003 17:42:45 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h69Lgja4021230 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 9 Jul 2003 17:42:45 -0400 Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 17:42:45 -0400 Message-Id: <200307092142.h69LgjlY021225@minbar.fourfold.org> From: craig reece To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Another Rover shop (was Re: Sighting Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Just a plug for another place to get your Series trucks worked on in the North Bay, in case Mike's busy. Henk, who owned Brittalia in Berkeley until he shut down a couple of months ago, has started a new satellite biz at Land Rover of Marin, working on vintage British cars and trucks. Last time I talked to him - about a week ago - he still hadn't met Jeremy. His cellphone is 510-541-0833, and the main number at Land Rover Marin is 415-455-5500. Craig Brian Horner wrote: > Saw a red 109" Series (with safari windows) on the back of a AAA > flatbed heading over the San Mateo Bridge this morning. Our guess was > that it was enroute to West Coast British in Livermore - were we right? > > Cheers! > > Brian From bens Wed Jul 9 17:53:22 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h69LrMix021278 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2003 17:53:22 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h69LrMUZ021277 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 9 Jul 2003 17:53:22 -0400 Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 17:53:21 -0400 Message-Id: <200307092153.h69LrLvv021273@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Chris De Jesus" To: Subject: Re: Roll bar Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 14 lines filtered. ] Mark, I have a lead on someone down in Modesto that makes custom roll bars. He did a great job on my brother-in-law's racing Camaro. If you are interested, let me know and I will get you the contact info. Chris DeJesus Mudy_ovl From bens Wed Jul 9 18:09:19 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h69M9Jix021479 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2003 18:09:19 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h69M9J9P021478 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 9 Jul 2003 18:09:19 -0400 Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 18:09:18 -0400 Message-Id: <200307092209.h69M9I8G021469@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Brian Horner To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Another Rover shop (was Re: Sighting Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org When Henk owned Britalia he would not work on Series vehicles. Said they were too much trouble and he wasn't setup for them. So he is setup for them now? Brian On Wednesday, July 9, 2003, at 02:42 PM, craig reece wrote: > > Just a plug for another place to get your Series trucks worked on in > the > North Bay, in case Mike's busy. Henk, who owned Brittalia in Berkeley > until he shut down a couple of months ago, has started a new satellite > biz > at Land Rover of Marin, working on vintage British cars and trucks. > Last > time I talked to him - about a week ago - he still hadn't met Jeremy. [ 18 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Wed Jul 9 18:27:31 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h69MRVix021547 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2003 18:27:31 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h69MRVnw021546 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 9 Jul 2003 18:27:31 -0400 Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 18:27:31 -0400 Message-Id: <200307092227.h69MRVZh021542@minbar.fourfold.org> From: craig reece To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Another Rover shop (was Re: Sighting Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Yup. That's what he says. He's not working on anything newer, since he'd be competing with Land Rover Marin's service department - which I assume sends all Series owners next door to Henk. Craig Brian Horner wrote: > When Henk owned Britalia he would not work on Series vehicles. Said > they were too much trouble and he wasn't setup for them. > > So he is setup for them now? > > Brian > > On Wednesday, July 9, 2003, at 02:42 PM, craig reece wrote: > [ 10 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Wed Jul 9 18:38:19 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h69McJix021639 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2003 18:38:19 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h69McJki021638 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 9 Jul 2003 18:38:19 -0400 Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 18:38:19 -0400 Message-Id: <200307092238.h69McJpf021634@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Russ Wilson To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: What would a ball park price be for a 59 Series Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > >88's? They are good for converting into short off road trailers or 109 >support vehicles I suppose. >;*) 88s... parts on the hoof RW -- Blaming Guns for Crime is Like Blaming Spoons for Rosie O'Donnell Being Fat From bens Wed Jul 9 18:58:27 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h69MwRix021685 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2003 18:58:27 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h69MwRMv021684 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 9 Jul 2003 18:58:27 -0400 Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 18:58:26 -0400 Message-Id: <200307092258.h69MwQre021680@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Mark Pilkington To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Roll bar Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Chris, I'd be interested in talking to that guy. Thanks. Mark Chris De Jesus wrote: > [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] > [ Included Original Message ] > [ 14 lines filtered. ] > Mark, > I have a lead on someone down in Modesto that makes custom roll bars. > He did a great job on my brother-in-law's racing Camaro. If you are > interested, let me know and I will get you the contact info. > Chris DeJesus > Mudy_ovl From bens Wed Jul 9 19:01:01 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h69N11ix021703 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2003 19:01:01 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h69N11dt021702 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 9 Jul 2003 19:01:01 -0400 Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 19:01:01 -0400 Message-Id: <200307092301.h69N113I021698@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Daniel Oppenheim" To: Subject: Re: Roll bar Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Kerner...where are you on this one? Didn't you have one made up in Davis? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Pilkington" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 3:58 PM Subject: Re: Roll bar > > Chris, I'd be interested in talking to that guy. Thanks. > Mark > > Chris De Jesus wrote: > > > [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] > > [ Included Original Message ] > > [ 14 lines filtered. ] [ 2 additional quoted lines pruned. ] bars. > > He did a great job on my brother-in-law's racing Camaro. If you are > > interested, let me know and I will get you the contact info. > > Chris DeJesus > > Mudy_ovl > From bens Wed Jul 9 19:02:07 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h69N27ix021720 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2003 19:02:07 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h69N27TC021719 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 9 Jul 2003 19:02:07 -0400 Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 19:02:06 -0400 Message-Id: <200307092302.h69N26P9021715@minbar.fourfold.org> From: john hess To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Roll bar Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Mark, Rob Kerner had some custom work done in Woodland. That's almost Sac, so call him or Rob, who did the custom cage for you? john hess, Davis, California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Dormie web pages at http://dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/startpoint.html From bens Wed Jul 9 19:14:22 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h69NEMix021746 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2003 19:14:22 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h69NEMj6021745 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 9 Jul 2003 19:14:22 -0400 Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 19:14:21 -0400 Message-Id: <200307092314.h69NELlj021741@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Daniel Oppenheim" To: Subject: 71 Range Rover Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; ] [ 33 lines filtered. ] charset="iso-8859-1" I just talked to the "dude" at SpecializedBritish in Sac., and he wants = me to come buy this car...a LHD RR 2-door (I think it has to be among = the 1st 500 to the US, as they started produced in 1970, and 90% were = RHD) Anyway, I'm unwilling to pay $750, or even $500 for it..I offered my = high bid of $330.=20 He's putting it back on eBay this week to see if he can do better. I'd = still like to get it, for around $350. I just wanted to let the list = know that "kermitdad" is me, and i'll likely rebid in that same range. cheers, daniel From bens Wed Jul 9 21:53:58 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h6A1rwix021964 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2003 21:53:58 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h6A1rwIN021963 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Wed, 9 Jul 2003 21:53:58 -0400 Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 21:53:58 -0400 Message-Id: <200307100153.h6A1rwEK021959@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Eric Fournier To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Finishing up the Disco XD Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Keith, you're just going to encourage dents to happen. Pam must be completely fed up with all the compliments you get on your Series vehicles. A. You might try removing the rears altogether and give it a try. I've had mine off the whole time I've owned the Disco. I leave the front on as they do make a difference for me. YMMV If this worked for you, then you'd only need quick disconnects for the front...less hassle. C. Of course, you know I'm really happy with the Rovertym sliders. They come in a pair of wood crates and are very heavy (85 lbs each side IIRC). I still managed to install them by myself in less than a day (yes, the install is quite involved). The kit comes with a jig that helps in the hole making process. The sliders surround and mount through the box section under the body. You are welcome to borrow the two long (12") drill bits required for the install. Eric Fournier On Wednesday, July 9, 2003, at 11:22 AM, shukait@mac.com wrote: > > All, > > I'm looking to finish off the Discovery so I'm ready for the Nevada > trip. > > A. Has anyone used Mike Aedo's "Aedofab Anti-Sway Bar Quick Disconnect > Kit for the Discovery Series I" I found these on > http://www.discoweb.org/ there $125 for all four corners. the complete [ 51 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Thu Jul 10 00:56:03 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h6A4u3ix022261 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 2003 00:56:03 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h6A4u3Zs022260 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 10 Jul 2003 00:56:03 -0400 Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 00:56:02 -0400 Message-Id: <200307100456.h6A4u2cI022256@minbar.fourfold.org> From: John Hess To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: mendo trails Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hey, My little sister, who owns a Jeep Cherokee and actually drives on dirt withit, is going to Mendo this weekend. I told her Cedar camp is a nice place to spend the night, but since I usually ride shotgun with Gerry Mugele, I don't know where I am half the time. Can you send me the names of some reasonable trails for her to drive? No motorcycle trails please. cheers, John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Land Rover Dormobile web pages: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby" 1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" mine: 1999 Bianchi Milano, 2001 Bianchi Pista, 2002 Merlin Extra Fat, ours:2002 Meridian Attache Softride Tandem From bens Thu Jul 10 01:06:52 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h6A56qix022300 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 2003 01:06:52 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h6A56q5O022299 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 10 Jul 2003 01:06:52 -0400 Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 01:06:52 -0400 Message-Id: <200307100506.h6A56qvL022295@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Granville" To: Subject: Re: WSJ article... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Funny that today's WSJ article on RS 2477 gets a mention here. I happened to read it at a restaurant today. First time I've seen an issue of Wall Street Journal in probably more than a year or two. In the same issue was the latest JD Power reliability ratings. Land Rover fell right at the bottom (worst), sandwiched between Daewoo (very bottom) and Kia. Oh, the shame! Audi and Volvo showed a distinct downward slide. On the other hand, Jaguar faired rather well, for a change. Granny From bens Thu Jul 10 01:50:19 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h6A5oJix022368 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 2003 01:50:19 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h6A5oJ3p022367 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 10 Jul 2003 01:50:19 -0400 Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 01:50:18 -0400 Message-Id: <200307100550.h6A5oISI022363@minbar.fourfold.org> From: CHRISBONIN@aol.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: What would a ball park price be for a 59 Series Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset="US-ASCII" ] [ 17 lines filtered. ] Ok... its a 88" Hard top two door right hand drive Not sure about the wheel size. no accessories... What would do you all think a good offering price would be knowing it has a bad motor? Thanks Chris From bens Thu Jul 10 01:52:52 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h6A5qqix022382 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 2003 01:52:52 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h6A5qqKe022381 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 10 Jul 2003 01:52:52 -0400 Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 01:52:52 -0400 Message-Id: <200307100552.h6A5qqqS022377@minbar.fourfold.org> From: CHRISBONIN@aol.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Value of '59 - WCB has a Rebuilt, Tweeked 2.25 (2.5 cam, 32/36 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset="US-ASCII" ] [ 5 lines filtered. ] I will keep that in mind if I ad this rover to my family From bens Thu Jul 10 03:12:32 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h6A7CWix022436 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 2003 03:12:32 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h6A7CWe9022435 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 10 Jul 2003 03:12:32 -0400 Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 03:12:32 -0400 Message-Id: <200307100712.h6A7CWKj022431@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jeremy Bartlett To: mendo Subject: Re: LRDG Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Ben wrote: The Physics of Blown Sand and Desert Dunes" cira 1935 by Ralph Bagnold (founder and 1st CO of the LRDG) And "the classic" history of the LRDG written in 1945 by Bill Kennedy Shaw Are these the books that we were talking about? Yes. Almasy is actually an interesting character and that would be Lady Dorothy Clayton- who did actually perish in an aircraft accident as memory serves (different from Mrs. PA Clayton). BTW it's 1941 on the 1st ed. of Ralph Bagnold's text. You might be interested in the following: More generally: Libyan Sands, Travel in a Dead World, by RA Bagnold Sand Wind and War Memoirs of a Desert Explorer, RA Bagnold Desert Explorer A Biography of Col PA Clayton - Zerzura Press (Clayton was as key as Bagnold in the pre-war surveys and commanded an early LRDG patrol prior to capture). This book is EXTREMELY hard to get hold of but has the best description of Almazy and the hunt for Zerzura. It's basically compilations of notes and diaries published by his son. LRDG specific: G Patrol by Michael Crichton-Stuart (The story of Guards Patrol of LRDG) The Desert My Dwelling Place - David Lloyd Owen (LRDG Commander) LRDG - W.B. Kennedy Shaw The LRDG Providence Their Guide - David Lloyd Owen (similar to above text) The Kiwi Scorpions - The Story of the New Zealanders in the LRDG - Brendan O'Carroll - tough to find. Since you asked : ) Jeremy From bens Thu Jul 10 07:24:33 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h6ABOXix022687 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 2003 07:24:33 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h6ABOXNl022686 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 10 Jul 2003 07:24:33 -0400 Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 07:24:32 -0400 Message-Id: <200307101124.h6ABOWpr022682@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Randy Katz" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Ralph Bagnold Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org At 00:56 10-07-03 -0400, Mendo_Recce digest: wrote: >Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 09:53:40 -0400 >From: Benjamin Smith >Subject: LRDG Questions > Anyway, back to the question. I remember a conversation about the >LRDG and dune formation. Someone (Jeremy??) was saying that one of the LRDG >people wrote the definitive book on the LRDG and also on dune formation. >In this book I found a reference to: > >"The Physics of Blown Sand and Desert Dunes" cira 1935 by Ralph Bagnold [ 6 additional quoted lines pruned. ] Bagnold was the founder of the LRDG. I actually did not enjoy "Lost Oasis" that much--the story was fascinating but the writing was not up to scratch. Seems like it was done by an enthusiastic amateur as opposed to a serious historian, focusing more on the glamor than explaining what really happened. Two more related books I can recommend if you are interested (both are out of print): "Sand, Wind, and War: Memoirs of a Desert Explorer," Ralph Bagnold, Univ of Arizona Press, 1990. "Libyan Sand," Ralph Bagnold, Hodder &Stoughton, London, 1935. (There is also a later printing that is a bit less expensive). I've looked for "The Physics of Blown Sand" on ABE (advanced book exchange) but have not found any copies for sale. The UC Berkeley Physics library does have copy though. Randy From bens Thu Jul 10 09:22:47 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h6ADMlix023019 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 2003 09:22:47 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h6ADMlLG023018 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 10 Jul 2003 09:22:47 -0400 Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 09:22:47 -0400 Message-Id: <200307101322.h6ADMl1h023014@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kerner, Rob" To: Subject: RE: Roll bar Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Regent's Roll cage was fabricated by 4ZZZZ welding in Woodland. He is on Kentucky(where all the good shops are). It is made out of 1.5" 120 wall tubing. It is mounted to the frame in front through the floor and welded on to the door post outrigger. It is welded to gussets on the frame directly behing both driver and passenger seats, and then at the rear of the tub. There is an article on it in an old newsletter. It fits under a hard top or soft top and doesn't intrude much on the cab. Cost ~$1000. FYI I had trouble finding anyone willing to fabricate a roll cage, because of liability. I tried to get Kimzeys welding to do it because they made the Winch mount on regent(Morgans design), and did a great job. They wouldn't touch it. -Rob From bens Thu Jul 10 09:32:12 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h6ADWCix023128 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 2003 09:32:12 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h6ADWCdi023127 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 10 Jul 2003 09:32:12 -0400 Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 09:32:12 -0400 Message-Id: <200307101332.h6ADWCZG023123@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kerner, Rob" To: Subject: RE: mendo trails Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org http://www.employees.org/~calridng/images/stonydtl.gif The trail which on this map looks like 25 is a nice climb starting at the campground on goat mt. road. If you make a right on 26 it will take you to M5. I recall none of that is too tough. I think what looks like 27 is difficult, because I am pretty sure one year Steph, and David Bonar went down that trail and didn't get back to camp (letts lake camp) until 10PM. Stella had a ding in her diff too. Also the back way into Cedar camp is tame with one water crossing. Down past Indian Valley, and then up M5. Again the turn onto M5 is a pain in the Arse to find. -Rob <<<<<<<<<; Thu, 10 Jul 2003 10:33:36 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h6AEXa5P023410 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 10 Jul 2003 10:33:36 -0400 Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 10:33:36 -0400 Message-Id: <200307101433.h6AEXapB023406@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Nieto, Armando S., Jr." To: shukait@mac.com Subject: Disconnects Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; ] [ 66 lines filtered. ] charset=iso-8859-1 Hi Keith,=20 I have the Aedofabs installed front and rear and they work fine except that = while on the Death Valley Challenge I lost one rear coupling system (cotter = pin and metal tube). I found replacements at Orchard Supply and was back in = business. I too get the noise from my brakes. 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Thank you very much. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D From bens Thu Jul 10 10:38:38 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h6AEccix023425 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 2003 10:38:38 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h6AEccmJ023424 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 10 Jul 2003 10:38:38 -0400 Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 10:38:37 -0400 Message-Id: <200307101438.h6AEcbjD023420@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Mark Pilkington To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: What would a ball park price be for a 59 Series Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org About $2000 because of the engine. CHRISBONIN@aol.com wrote: > [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] > [ text/html; charset="US-ASCII" ] > [ 17 lines filtered. ] > > Ok... > > its a 88" > Hard top > two door [ 9 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Thu Jul 10 11:20:30 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h6AFKUix023530 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 2003 11:20:30 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h6AFKURx023529 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 10 Jul 2003 11:20:30 -0400 Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 11:20:30 -0400 Message-Id: <200307101520.h6AFKUbd023525@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Eric Johnson" To: Subject: Squealing Clutch - Looking for Mr. Gearbox Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org What would cause that high-pitched squealing when letting out the clutch? On a IIA box with less than 1000 miles? Anyone have a good S2A or preferably a good S3 gearbox available? The gearbox, with transfer case attached, fell off a workbench and landed on the rear hump of the gearbox. It squished/bent the area of the cover plate and distorted the selector shaft slots enough to make it hard to shift when the selector cover plate was tightened. Hoping that was all that was damaged, I could live with that. Could there be more "hidden" damage to the case, i.e., main shaft alignment? How would that effect /cause the clutch squeal? Well, I'd like to try a S3 synchro box anyway. Thanks From bens Thu Jul 10 11:21:09 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h6AFL9ix023543 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 2003 11:21:09 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h6AFL9UI023542 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 10 Jul 2003 11:21:09 -0400 Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 11:21:08 -0400 Message-Id: <200307101521.h6AFL8J5023538@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Eric Johnson" To: Subject: Re: What would a ball park price be for a 59 Series Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Take off another $1000 because it's RHD. At least $500. >>> mark@skywagons.com 07/10/03 07:38AM >>> About $2000 because of the engine. CHRISBONIN@aol.com wrote: > [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] > [ text/html; charset="US-ASCII" ] > [ 17 lines filtered. ] > > Ok... > > its a 88" > Hard top > two door [ 9 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Thu Jul 10 11:51:11 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h6AFpBix023659 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 2003 11:51:11 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h6AFpBmG023658 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 10 Jul 2003 11:51:11 -0400 Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 11:51:11 -0400 Message-Id: <200307101551.h6AFpBlH023654@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Mark Pilkington To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: LRDG Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I was following this thread with interest as I knew Peter and Colonel William Stirling his brother who, I was under the impression, started the Long Range Desert Group that evolved into the SAS. They were also responsible for the SMG 9mm Stirling Sub Machine gun I think. I used to shoot a lot of deer when I was younger on their 26000 acre estate in Scotland. Indeed, that is where I learned to drive and Rovers and why I now own one. ALSO, now I read that Michael Crichton-Stuart was involved with the LRDG. My mother is a Crichton-Stuart and Michael is a very close relative of the current Marquis of Bute in Scotland where I grew up. Also, my Grandfather, Mark Pilkington was in North Africa during the Second World War where he was killed by an Italian fighter plane. I have his memoirs and letters that were privately published for the family. He refers to my Dad as "The Boy" when writing home. Dad was three and does not remember him. From the letters, it seems as if the war was different then. They had their Polo ponies with them and their English side by side gun pairs so they could shoot chukkar and other desert birds when they were not fighting. It was all rather brave and dashing it seems. Interesting. Jeremy Bartlett wrote: > Ben wrote: > > The Physics of Blown Sand and Desert Dunes" cira 1935 by Ralph Bagnold > (founder and 1st CO of the LRDG) > And "the classic" history of the LRDG written in 1945 by Bill Kennedy Shaw > > Are these the books that we were talking about? > > Yes. Almasy is actually an interesting character and that would be Lady [ 27 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Thu Jul 10 12:19:43 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h6AGJhix023707 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 2003 12:19:43 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h6AGJh1G023706 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 10 Jul 2003 12:19:43 -0400 Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 12:19:42 -0400 Message-Id: <200307101619.h6AGJggc023702@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Benjamin Smith To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: LRDG Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In message <200307101551.h6AFpBlH023654@minbar.fourfold.org>you wrote: > I was following this thread with interest as I knew Peter and Colonel William > Stirling his brother who, I was under the impression, started the Long Range > Desert Group that evolved into the SAS. The LRDG and SAS were 2 different units with different missions. The LRDG was primarily a vehicle based recon and mapping unit (though it did some raiding). The SAS was a raiding unit and initially designed for parachute insertion, but they did some recon work too. Many times they worked together in Africa starting in December 1941. The idea for the LRDG was pitched by RA Bagnold and finally accepted (after being turned down a few times) in June 1940. He was their first CO and their first operation was August 1940. David Sterling pitched the idea of the SAS and was the first SAS CO. The SAS was formed in summer 1951 and its first mission appears to have been in November 1941. At least initially, the LRDG provided "taxi" service to the SAS when they switched from parachute to vehicle transport. > ALSO, now I read that Michael Crichton-Stuart was involved with the LRDG. Captain Crichton-Stuart commanded the LRDG "G" patrol (made up of Coldstream and Scots Guards). Ben From bens Thu Jul 10 14:11:54 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h6AIBsix024058 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 2003 14:11:54 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h6AIBs4S024057 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 10 Jul 2003 14:11:54 -0400 Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 14:11:54 -0400 Message-Id: <200307101811.h6AIBsXe024053@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RRC alignment & tire comments Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Well, when I stopped by LR Flatirons on Tuesday to pick up the track rod adjuster sleeve I asked Charlie Haigh about the alignment. He recommended trying to shoot toward the "0" end of the "0-2mm" spec. The fellow at the alignment shop was happy to oblige this morning and set me up at 0.04 of the 0-0.14 degree (out) equivalent spec. The truck drives great. Actually pretty much perfect, for the first time since I got it almost 2 years ago. With new swivel pins and bearings, new wheel bearings, and now tie rod ends and tires everything is up to snuff. I just hold my breath on the darned SB, but so far so good. The Bridgestone Dueler Revos are really nice on the dry highway. No expansion joint flap, minimal to no noise. If they're as good in the slop and snow as some of my CO compatriots made out on the Tire Rack evaluation board, Cheryl should be really happy. In any case, going from the old 225 width to the 215 width can't hurt in that regard (snow/muck performance). We'll see come next winter. -Dave G. From bens Thu Jul 10 18:17:56 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h6AMHuix024467 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 2003 18:17:56 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h6AMHuHl024466 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 10 Jul 2003 18:17:56 -0400 Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 18:17:56 -0400 Message-Id: <200307102217.h6AMHu0a024462@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Jason Pipes" To: Subject: RE: LRDG Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 27 lines filtered. ] Mark, others, Further to the comments you mentioned regarding your grandfathers service in Africa - the war in North Africa is well known for the sense of respect and honor each side had for one another. Very few war crimes are known to have taken place in North Africa and there were no SS units that fought there. The German and British soldier had a very high level of respect for one another and they both considered their mutual situation and condition (serving thousands of miles away from home in a hot, dry desert with few comforts if any) to be a mark of distinction. Captured troops (especially officers) were often treated with great respect and dignity. jpipes From bens Thu Jul 10 18:41:34 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h6AMfYix024493 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 2003 18:41:34 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h6AMfYiI024492 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 10 Jul 2003 18:41:34 -0400 Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 18:41:34 -0400 Message-Id: <200307102241.h6AMfYUx024488@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Mark Pilkington To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: LRDG Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org That is true. In fact, the officers of both sides actually had meetings and discussions on a regular basis. Jason Pipes wrote: > [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] > [ Included Original Message ] > [ 27 lines filtered. ] > Mark, others, > > Further to the comments you mentioned regarding your grandfathers service in > Africa - the war in North Africa is well known for the sense of respect and > honor each side had for one another. Very few war crimes are known to have > taken place in North Africa and there were no SS units that fought there. [ 7 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Thu Jul 10 19:13:11 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h6ANDBix024618 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 2003 19:13:11 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h6ANDBRJ024617 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 10 Jul 2003 19:13:11 -0400 Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 19:13:11 -0400 Message-Id: <200307102313.h6ANDBiw024613@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Joe Ward To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Pub night Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Anyone going to the pub night tonight? Joe Ward Technical Writer ventaso 415.364.6475 jward@ventaso.com Ventaso - the Customer Message Management solution. www.ventaso.com From bens Thu Jul 10 19:18:49 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h6ANInix024635 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 2003 19:18:49 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h6ANInfd024634 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 10 Jul 2003 19:18:49 -0400 Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 19:18:49 -0400 Message-Id: <200307102318.h6ANInR4024630@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Hannaford, Morgan" To: Subject: polybush vs. genuine? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I am curious to hear your experiences with the new soft polybushes (IronMan?) that are available..... vs. installing factory rubber bushings. My understanding is it's a good thing polybushings are easy to install as they don't last very long (Jeremy? John Brabyn?). However, I have removed + installed factory bushings in the 88" and I would not wish that job on anyone!! The Range Rover is still very squirrly on the road. This is after replacing the steering ball joints (all worn), tightening the steering box (helped), installing all new tires (PO had different tires on all corners), replacing the shocks (right-rear was broken at head), and adjusting the front toe-in. It is still hard to handle, swerves, tracks off the road etc. My next try is to replace the rear axle ball-joint as the symptoms include the vehicle pulling to the right when accelerating and then pulling left when decelerating.....I figure this might be as worn as the steering ball-joints, plus I will get a chance to toss the leveling unit over the hedge! While under there I may as well be ready to replace bushings that are probably worn out (~150K miles on vehicle). -Mo From bens Thu Jul 10 19:25:30 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h6ANPUix024656 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 2003 19:25:30 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h6ANPUnr024655 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 10 Jul 2003 19:25:30 -0400 Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 19:25:30 -0400 Message-Id: <200307102325.h6ANPUFd024651@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Jason Pipes" To: Subject: Pub night is tonight... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org For those that may have noticed (or not) tonight is Pub night at the Albatross. We'll be there at 7:30ish and will grab a table at the rear someplace. We'll wait around a bit in case no one shows up. Address and directions on the site. http://www.norcalrover.org/calendar/July_03_calendar.html jpipes From bens Thu Jul 10 19:27:55 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h6ANRtix024684 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 2003 19:27:55 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h6ANRtVZ024683 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 10 Jul 2003 19:27:55 -0400 Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 19:27:54 -0400 Message-Id: <200307102327.h6ANRski024679@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Hannaford, Morgan" To: Subject: RR towing Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Now 2 weeks into the rebuilt Borg-Warner transfer case and everything seems fine. Reverse still clunks harshly when engaged from Park. I replaced the transmission fluid and filter along the way and there was a nice collection of fine metal "paste" in the oil pan and on the drainplug-magnet. I may try DG's idea of a "double fluid change". I want to set the RR up for towing our 1969 18' Airstream Caravel (~3,500# - after I get the squirrly handling under control) - is there a trailer wiring package anyone can recommend? I need to install the 7-pin type connector for trailer brakes and charging. -Mo From bens Thu Jul 10 19:28:16 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h6ANSGix024697 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 2003 19:28:16 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h6ANSGvT024696 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 10 Jul 2003 19:28:16 -0400 Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 19:28:16 -0400 Message-Id: <200307102328.h6ANSGv6024692@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Jason Pipes" To: Subject: RE: Pub night Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 20 lines filtered. ] We are! I just posted re: this! See you tonight! jpipes From bens Thu Jul 10 19:43:25 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h6ANhPix024726 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 2003 19:43:25 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h6ANhPSY024725 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 10 Jul 2003 19:43:25 -0400 Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 19:43:24 -0400 Message-Id: <200307102343.h6ANhOrs024721@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Mark Pilkington To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: polybush vs. genuine? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org What was wrong with my high milage old beater Rangie that wandered all over the road was the bushes at the front of the rear stabilzer link bars. Stick your head under the side, in front of the rear wheel and you will see a long thick steel bar that extends forward from the axle to the underside of the body on each side. There is a bolt on the end. These big round rubber doughnuts each side of the forward end of the bracket look good, but they are not. Have someone pry on them or put the rangie into gear and load the axle and you will see an alarming gap appear. This allows the rear axle to wander about under acceleration and braking. They are $40 eachand a are a bit a bastard to change, but afterards, ou will have a Rangie that drives the way Land Rover intended. I got my rubber thingies from British Pacific. Kind regards, Mark Pilkington. "Hannaford, Morgan" wrote: > I am curious to hear your experiences with the new > soft polybushes (IronMan?) that are available..... > vs. installing factory rubber bushings. > My understanding is it's a good thing polybushings are easy > to install as they don't last very long (Jeremy? John Brabyn?). > However, I have removed + installed factory bushings > in the 88" and I would not wish that job on anyone!! > > The Range Rover is still very squirrly on the road. [ 18 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Thu Jul 10 20:10:32 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h6B0AWix024760 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 2003 20:10:32 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h6B0AWPp024759 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 10 Jul 2003 20:10:32 -0400 Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 20:10:32 -0400 Message-Id: <200307110010.h6B0AWPY024755@minbar.fourfold.org> From: charles phu To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Pub night is tonight... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset=us-ascii ] [ 8 lines filtered. ] Oh, no, I am not going to make it today again. cp Jason Pipes wrote: For those that may have noticed (or not) tonight is Pub night at the Albatross. We'll be there at 7:30ish and will grab a table at the rear someplace. We'll wait around a bit in case no one shows up. Address and directions on the site. http://www.norcalrover.org/calendar/July_03_calendar.html jpipes --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! From bens Thu Jul 10 20:30:03 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h6B0U3ix024787 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 2003 20:30:03 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h6B0U3fU024786 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 10 Jul 2003 20:30:03 -0400 Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 20:30:02 -0400 Message-Id: <200307110030.h6B0U2dI024782@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Todd Schlemmer" To: Subject: RE: polybush vs. genuine? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 38 lines filtered. ] Ditto that. My Rangie (100K mi) would veer when (de)(a)ccelerating also. Made for very tense freeway travel. I changed all the bushings in the suspension and problem be gone. Lots of grunting and the occasional curse under the truck. Not hard, just big bolts. You could probably skate by with just new frame bushings front and rear, but you can buy a kit from RN and save some dough on the whole thing. Tracks like brand new now. A pleasure to drive. HTH Todd Schlemmer Vashon Island, WA www.ozedeph.com From bens Thu Jul 10 20:57:40 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h6B0veix024827 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 2003 20:57:40 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h6B0veIb024826 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 10 Jul 2003 20:57:40 -0400 Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 20:57:40 -0400 Message-Id: <200307110057.h6B0veF0024822@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: polybush vs. genuine? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > My understanding is it's a good thing polybushings are easy > to install as they don't last very long Mine have not. But they are easy to replace. Poly bushings do not stand up well to heat. The assembly lube wears off and the suspension movement creates heat. If you do a lot of washboard or rough trailing they create a lot of heat that destroys them. The cure, if there is indeed a full cure is to get the ones grooved inside and special bolts with an internal hole and a grease fitting. just keep them lub'ed and hopefully they will stan up much better. Great basin Rovers is a source of lubable poly bushings & bolts. TeriAnn J. Wakeman Marigold Ltd. www.marigoldltd.com From bens Thu Jul 10 21:07:23 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h6B17Nix024854 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 2003 21:07:23 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h6B17Ndj024853 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 10 Jul 2003 21:07:23 -0400 Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 21:07:23 -0400 Message-Id: <200307110107.h6B17NHf024849@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Mehdi Saghafi" To: Subject: RE: 71 Range Rover Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Daneil, for the first 500 , I think, I am willing to pay $789. My ebay is bidhighonrover. Mehdi -know that "kermitdad" is me, and i'll likely rebid in that same range. -cheers, -daniel From bens Thu Jul 10 21:09:14 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h6B19Eix024868 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 2003 21:09:14 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h6B19E2H024867 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 10 Jul 2003 21:09:14 -0400 Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 21:09:14 -0400 Message-Id: <200307110109.h6B19E9g024863@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: Mendo Subject: arrrrgh! no brakes! :-0 pannic!!...than suddenly shifter no longer moving the gears in tranny? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I was coming back from teh bank, when I pressed thebrakes...pumped as I had to pump on the way to the bank...had felt the pedal moving down to the flor thinking the master needed rebuilding....but looked and saw NO FLUID at all...looked under and saw brake fluid all over the rear pumkin...the t-union there is leaking all over hell!! I tried to get the few miles home in low range going slow.....not a good idea!!! as I came to an intersection in low first, found tat the parking brake is completely gone too! ;-0 turned off key to use engine to b rake.....it kept moving..tried to shift down to first in emergency to stop nwo and the shifter managed to get in some unholy position...now it's in reverse! and broken off inside apparently? i limped it backwardsd w/o brakes into the calaveras mall where I sorta crashed it into a parking space...woth no damage to others...than walked teh four miles home(in my cowboy boots carrying a heaby bag and a briefcase!) finally made it home, drank mucho augua and here I am! so life sucks!..any idea what could have happened to teh tranny? I'm waiting for Joe to get home from work, to come by to help me tow the poor beastie home...luckilly just got a set of tow-bar btrackets that will need bolting on so will bring my makita drill and three batteries, buy new bolts and cross fingers Paul __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From bens Thu Jul 10 21:45:48 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h6B1jmix024973 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 2003 21:45:48 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h6B1jmR0024972 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 10 Jul 2003 21:45:48 -0400 Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 21:45:47 -0400 Message-Id: <200307110145.h6B1jlu2024968@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Aidan McLeer" To: Subject: Sighting Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Not that I was watching or anything, but on the entertainment tonight programme they showed Kelley Clarkson's new video with what looked like a series land rover in the background..( suprising seeing as she just got back from england and complained about the FOOD !!!!!!) Later Aidan From bens Thu Jul 10 22:53:46 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h6B2rkix025180 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 2003 22:53:46 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h6B2rkRl025179 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 10 Jul 2003 22:53:46 -0400 Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 22:53:45 -0400 Message-Id: <200307110253.h6B2rjTZ025175@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Mason" To: Subject: RE: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #1093 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I love the Porterfield pads on the stock rotors. I have not experienced the cold pad problem or the noise problem with the slotted rotors. The most invaluable thing I got from the deal is that the pads are the same as the AP520 rotor. The particular compound I got from AB was the r4-s, I wonder if you got a different compound. Porterfield's site is http://www.porterfield-brakes.com/ Mason 96 Disco ------------------ Feed Back for you... I got the high performance brake kit from Atlantic British and wanted to give you feed back on what they're like: Cons: They make a lot of noise. I called AB and the tech stated that when the pads pass over the drilled holes the air makes a swishing sound. If you have the windows up you can't hear it, if the windows are down and your next to something that reflects the sound back, it gets loud. The Kevlar pads don't stop well until their heated up, if the pads are cold be-careful or you'll hit something. I almost took out the front door at the inlaws house in Lake Tahoe. The driveway comes up to the front door and it's a steep down hill run. Pros: Once up to temp the stop really well. The AB tech says to go with the Ferodo pads next time and I won't have the heating up problem. I also got the OME medium springs and shocks. I love them, the ride is nicer and the lift looks good. No cons here I like everything about them. I can't wait to finish the truck, disconnect the sway bars and see how she handles off road. Cheers, Keith & Pam Shukait 1997 Land Rover Discovery XD "YLLWJKT" 1969 Land Rover Series IIA ExMoD 109 Regular "Millie" 1967 Land Rover Series IIA NADA 6 Cylinder Dormobile "Indiana" From bens Thu Jul 10 22:54:01 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h6B2s1ix025195 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 2003 22:54:01 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h6B2s19l025194 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Thu, 10 Jul 2003 22:54:01 -0400 Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 22:54:00 -0400 Message-Id: <200307110254.h6B2s0Xi025190@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Benjamin Smith To: mendo_Recce@minbar.fourfold.org Subject: (FWD) LR on the great race? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Steve of BP posted this to the list. Since he's not on the list, I'm forwarding it to the list. Ben ------- Forwarded Message Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 18:29:24 EDT Subject: LR on the great race? From: BRITPAC@aol.com To: twakeman@cruzers.com TeriAnn mentioned some people were asking why I did not drive a Land Rover in the Great Race to "show the flag" and provide advertising for British Pacific. I thought people would be interested in my reply to her. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Land Rovers in Great Race: Believe, me, I've thought this over long and hard. Using Great Race to promote British Pacific seems like a natural, but the rules conspire against it. First is eligibility. The rules permit any vehicle '51 and earlier to enter, and sports and sports cars to '58. That limits eligible Land Rovers to '48-'51 models, period. Aside from being extremely rare, the horsepower of the 1600 cc F head 4 is really low. That makes a power to weight ratio about that of a stock Model A Ford: 2548 lbs. @ 50 bhp. We know from asking that the stock model A (or MGTD) is uncompetitive, specifically in it's ability to hold speed on hills. Most model A's are modified within the rules: overbore, increased compression, more cam, bigger carb. All these could be done to a land Rover 1600 engine, but it's the 80 ft. lbs. of torque that really kills you. Model A engines are 3300 cc and more torquey. The LR 1600 Series 1 has an 0-30 mph time of 10 seconds; and 0-50 is downright leisurely due to the low power vs. the aero drag: 25 seconds. Any Great Race vehicle needs to be able to sustain 55 mph, achievable with overdrive, which is permitted under the rules: but normal top speed is right at 55. It would be working very hard for the whole race, which is tough on those motors. A 1600 winding near top rpm for 4,000 miles? It's bound to break something. And 55 mph on long hills? Race rules allow 'replacement' blocks through 1958, so it's possible to stretch them to cover a 2 liter, somewhat easier to get parts for and with 20 lbs. more torque at hand, but horsepower is about the same. Stock intake manifolds are required, but any period carb could be fitted. So, let's say for argument we could use a LR 2 liter souped up to 75 bhp (a serious 50% increase). The next problem is driveline, specifically the odd Tracta swivel joints and spare axle shafts which are not free floating and very hard to find. Steering box parts are another weak point. Then there's the lack of legroom: at 6'3" and 230 lbs. it's very hard for me to get behind the wheel of an 86", not to mention an 80". But let's assume I could modify the body to achieve a relatively comfortable position: sheet metal work would be part of the deal, and this is a rare beast. The plusses are that the hydroelastic (unadjustible) brakes are fair, the high seating position makes it easier to see the course, and the suspension is more than up to the task. Additionally, having 16 speeds instead of 3 should be a help, especially in holding speeds like 10. The biggest drawback I can see is the overall spares problem, since early Series 1 parts are only available from a very few sources, and not everything can be purchased new. Some things would have to be made. Plus, BP does not sell Series 1 parts, so it's promotional value is questionable. Add to that 8-10 hours a day of horsing around a truck for two weeks, and you're looking at a lot of just darned hard work. While assuming you could find an early enough Series 1, and it could be put into very sound mechanical condition, and that the engine and driveline could live souped up, you would still be competing in a vehicle with Model A performance without the benefit of 'age factoring'. Virtually every vehicle in the race could outperform you, including Jeeps (2300 cc). It would be cute, and even attract attention, but it would be tough to be competitive. Our TR3 is only just competitive without the 'age factor' that gets factored into the scores of early cars. Cars like the 1911 Velie have 65 hp and gobs of low down torque with it's huge flywheel, but it has to be driven in a style that accounts for their modest performance. It's entirely possible to do it, as the Sharps prove every year. I'm not sure my navigator is willing to work that hard, though. Anyway, all that to say that a Series 1 could be entered, but it wouldn't be easy to acquire, prepare, or drive, and it would be tough to get good scores with it. It would also be costly to prepare. Still, if anyone has a truck they'd like to dump money in, beat up, and offer to someone else to drive I'd be willing to give it a go, at least once. Museum pieces need not apply. Too bad you couldn't run a '58 Series II 88 soft top, now that has some potential.... Steve Hedke British Pacific ------- End of Forwarded Message From bens Fri Jul 11 10:06:47 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h6BE6lix026513 for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 10:06:47 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h6BE6ljH026512 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 10:06:47 -0400 Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 10:06:46 -0400 Message-Id: <200307111406.h6BE6kOd026508@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: polybush vs. ???? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hey Mo, I didn't see new swivel pins and bearings in your list of things done. Swerving and darting around, especially over bumps, or turning into corners, are the classic symptoms of bad swivel pins. If your ball seals leak, I'd say it's a lock. There are a million different things that can contribute to crappy handling in a LR, and depending on the history of your truck some may be more likely than others. It's of course always a good idea to check the bushings. But I wouldn't run out buying a new set before being sure the swivel pins are squared away, given the symptoms you describe. Thanks to new upper pins and bearings top and bottom, (plus tie rod ends and drop arm BJ) Cheryl now has a '92 RRC that drives and handles like new, and doesn't even WEEP from the ball seals (spread a bead of waterproof marine grease between the seal lips when you replace the ball seals!). Don't forget that drop arm ball joint. It's the cheesiest design of the bunch, and probably should be about a 50,000 mile PM replacement item. Unfortunately, the greasable polybushes TAW describes are, to the best of my knowledge anyway (flawed at best!), only available for Series leaf spring and shackle bushings. There's no real good way to lube many of the ones on the Rangie. Soft polys will go to hell in a hurry, and the hard ones will introduce unnecessary harshness. I think the general consensus is that for best performance, if you need to replace suspension bushes on a coiler, go with the factory metalastic style. When checking the bushings, don't forget the panhard bar. Bad bushings there will also cause sudden direction changes when turning in. Good luck! -Dave G. From bens Fri Jul 11 10:10:01 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h6BEA1ix026556 for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 10:10:01 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h6BEA17g026555 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 10:10:01 -0400 Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 10:10:01 -0400 Message-Id: <200307111410.h6BEA1c3026551@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Value of '59 - WCB has a Rebuilt, Tweeked 2.25 (2.5 cam, Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org HI, $3200 for a rebuilt 2.25? Bob B At 08:53 AM 7/9/2003, you wrote: >If it needs an engine, Mike at WCB has an engine that he just rebuilt. The >owner is getting a d-i-v-o-r-c-e and is selling it for about 60 % of real >cost. The guy needs/wants around $3200. >H.P estimated at around 100. > >or for a bit more - a pre-run in R.Davis 3.0L with considerably more >torque and H.P. From bens Fri Jul 11 10:19:58 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h6BEJwix026602 for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 10:19:58 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h6BEJwe4026601 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 10:19:58 -0400 Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 10:19:58 -0400 Message-Id: <200307111419.h6BEJwvm026597@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: RR towing Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "....I may try DG's idea of a "double fluid change"...." It's the only way to go, IMHO. It's a matter of math. The circulating fluid capacity of the automatic transmission is in excess of 10 quarts. Measure what you get out of the pan (even if you pull the cooler line and let it drain separately), and it's less than 5. Drain and refill the pan, and you've got 50% new oil and 50% old. As soon as you start the truck the two start mixing, but if you do another 5 qt flush you'll replace half of that 50/50 with 100% new, and be up to 75% new fluid. The returns go down from there, so probably not worth going 3x. One thing I haven't tried is to minimize the mixing by doing one drain/fill and then just starting the truck for like 20 seconds to circulate the new stuff out of the pan. That way you'd probably get better than 50% old oil out on the second drain. And of course, you're much better off if the "old" oil in there isn't really that old, ie doing double flushes every 30k. -Dave G. From bens Fri Jul 11 11:27:26 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h6BFRQix026731 for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 11:27:26 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h6BFRQwf026730 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 11:27:26 -0400 Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 11:27:26 -0400 Message-Id: <200307111527.h6BFRQD5026726@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Mark Pilkington To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: arrrrgh! no brakes! :-0 pannic!!...than suddenly shifter no longer Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Paul, The gear lever has just probably derailed itself out of the selectors. This can happen when you are stirring vigorouslyand they are a bit worn. It is an easy fix, but the floor has to come up. If the physical lever that is above the floor is immovable, and it is in gear this is most probably what is wrong. If it is in gear and the upper part of the visible lever is all loose and slack, it is broken. They mormally break right at the ball topside though. I think you have an easy fix. You might need the two little springs on the reverse gate to stop it happening again. This is the way out of the selectors that the little ball at the bottom took. While you are in there, put a new rubber ring on the bottom ball of the gear lever. It makes a world of difference. Kind regards, Mark Paul Archibald wrote: > I was coming back from teh bank, when I pressed > thebrakes...pumped as I had to pump on the way to the > bank...had felt the pedal moving down to the flor thinking > the master needed rebuilding....but looked and saw NO FLUID > at all...looked under and saw brake fluid all over the rear > pumkin...the t-union there is leaking all over hell!! I > tried to get the few miles home in low range going > slow.....not a good idea!!! as I came to an intersection in > low first, found tat the parking brake is completely gone [ 24 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Fri Jul 11 11:33:58 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h6BFXwix026747 for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 11:33:58 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h6BFXwI9026746 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 11:33:58 -0400 Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 11:33:57 -0400 Message-Id: <200307111533.h6BFXvsC026742@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Mark Pilkington To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: RR towing Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Or you can go the Maaco or one of tose tranny places and have them do a $90 full flush where they pum it in running and you can watch the old coming out of the pipe. They use about 26 quarts until the exiting fluid is clean. Thourough, but pricy. The problem is that not a lot of places have the fitting for the Range Rover. "Gomes, David" wrote: > "....I may try DG's idea of a "double fluid change"...." > > It's the only way to go, IMHO. It's a matter of math. The circulating > fluid capacity of the automatic transmission is in excess of 10 quarts. > Measure what you get out of the pan (even if you pull the cooler line and > let it drain separately), and it's less than 5. Drain and refill the pan, > and you've got 50% new oil and 50% old. As soon as you start the truck the > two start mixing, but if you do another 5 qt flush you'll replace half of > that 50/50 with 100% new, and be up to 75% new fluid. The returns go down [ 8 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Fri Jul 11 11:50:21 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h6BFoLix026773 for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 11:50:21 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h6BFoLZq026772 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 11:50:21 -0400 Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 11:50:21 -0400 Message-Id: <200307111550.h6BFoLEd026768@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: Fluid changes Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "...The problem is that not a lot of places have the fitting for the Range Rover...." I've heard that too. Add in the fact that these places have generally ham-fisted reputations, plus the price for the privilege, and that 25% of used fluid isn't worth it in my book. Of course, you can subtract the $15 cost of the case of tranny fluid off of the $90 flush charge BUT if you get yourself one of THESE: http://www.thetoolwarehouse.net/shop/MIT-7201.html Then the mess and crawling around is taken out of the picture (on oil changes too!). I had to use a piece of 3/16 copper tubing in lieu of the supplied plastic to do the oil change on Cheryl's 3.9 RR, but it worked a treat. With warm oil it pumped out through the dipstick tube in about 5 minutes and when I pulled the drain plug, after letting the evacuator do it's thing, not a drop came out that way, so it removes at LEAST as much oil as I did by conventional methods. Then just flip the valve and pump it a couple more times to push the fluid back out and into the disposal container of your choice. -Dave G. From bens Fri Jul 11 11:57:20 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h6BFvKix026886 for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 11:57:20 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h6BFvK1p026885 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 11:57:20 -0400 Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 11:57:19 -0400 Message-Id: <200307111557.h6BFvJZ8026881@minbar.fourfold.org> From: joe mulqueen To: mendo Subject: Re: What would a ball park price be for a 59 Series Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi Chris, I think that when buying an old vehicle, condition of the mechanics is not as important (as long as bits are rebuildable) compared to the cosmetics. Time and money spent repairing the metal, refinishing it, installing a new wire harness, rubber parts, seals and window tracks, wiper motors, seats, insulation and floor coverings, headliner, door panels and other creature comforts needed to get passengers to come along - THOSE are the costs I'm concerned about. Joe Mulqueen '67 SIIA 109SW Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 01:50:18 -0400 From: CHRISBONIN@aol.com Subject: Re: What would a ball park price be for a 59 Series Ok... its a 88" Hard top two door right hand drive Not sure about the wheel size. no accessories... What would do you all think a good offering price would be knowing it has a bad motor? Thanks Chris __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From bens Fri Jul 11 12:16:17 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h6BGGHix027009 for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 12:16:17 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h6BGGHTM027008 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 12:16:17 -0400 Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 12:16:17 -0400 Message-Id: <200307111616.h6BGGH1w027004@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Eric Johnson" To: Subject: Re: Fluid changes Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Dave, I stopped by a tranny shop chosen at random to ask about a fliud change in my tranny - '90RR. For synthetic fluid, he wanted around $250. (!?!?!?!) I will soon order one of THOSE!http://www.thetoolwarehouse.net/shop/MIT-7201.htm >>> david.gomes@gambrobct.com 07/11/03 08:50AM >>> "...The problem is that not a lot of places have the fitting for the Range Rover...." I've heard that too. Add in the fact that these places have generally ham-fisted reputations, plus the price for the privilege, and that 25% of used fluid isn't worth it in my book. Of course, you can subtract the $15 cost of the case of tranny fluid off of the $90 flush charge BUT if you get yourself one of THESE: http://www.thetoolwarehouse.net/shop/MIT-7201.html Then the mess and crawling around is taken out of the picture (on oil changes too!). I had to use a piece of 3/16 copper tubing in lieu of the supplied plastic to do the oil change on Cheryl's 3.9 RR, but it worked a treat. With warm oil it pumped out through the dipstick tube in about 5 minutes and when I pulled the drain plug, after letting the evacuator do it's thing, not a drop came out that way, so it removes at LEAST as much oil as I did by conventional methods. Then just flip the valve and pump it a couple more times to push the fluid back out and into the disposal container of your choice. -Dave G. From bens Fri Jul 11 12:27:00 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h6BGR0ix027067 for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 12:27:00 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h6BGR0re027066 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 12:27:00 -0400 Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 12:27:00 -0400 Message-Id: <200307111627.h6BGR0QK027062@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Fluid changes Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "...I will soon order one of THOSE!...." Just to be clear, I've only used it on the engine oil thus far. I'm not certain about how well it will work on the trans. For instance, I can't use it on my motorcycle because neither the filler nor the dipstick hole have a straight shot to the bottom of the pan. I'm not sure how the RR tranny dipstick gets to the pan, but as long as it's a relatively straight shot, it should work fine. Maybe have a look under the truck to ease your mind. -Dave G. From bens Fri Jul 11 12:27:25 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h6BGRPix027080 for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 12:27:25 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h6BGRP20027079 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 12:27:25 -0400 Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 12:27:24 -0400 Message-Id: <200307111627.h6BGROfI027075@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Russ Wilson To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Fluid changes Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >BUT if you get >yourself one of THESE: >http://www.thetoolwarehouse.net/shop/MIT-7201.html >Then the mess and crawling around is taken out of the picture You could double the price and sell those at the local sex shop..... the mess and crawling around is PART of the picture, but that's for another discussion. RW -- Blaming Guns for Crime is Like Blaming Spoons for Rosie O'Donnell Being Fat From bens Fri Jul 11 12:33:51 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h6BGXpix027107 for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 12:33:51 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h6BGXpnJ027103 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 12:33:51 -0400 Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 12:33:51 -0400 Message-Id: <200307111633.h6BGXpaN027096@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: What would a ball park price be for a 59 Series Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Chris, "Blue Book", and other values aside, the question should be, what are YOU willing to pay for it, versus the asking price? "Ballpark" prices very, depending on whom you're talking to, and depending on what country they're in. Example: if that truck were in the U.K., it would be worth GPB200 - if that. I once owned a '59 88" that I paid $3500 for, and it RAN! I've seen a Series I that ran gor for far less. On the other hand, I've had many people look at my $3800 109SW that I bought a year ago, and tell me that they would have been would have paid $9000 for it as it sat! (all original/unrestored, rebuilt engine & gearbox, original & torn seats & headliner, and original paint) In most cases, unless there are receipts, anything that has been rebuilt you should assume hasn't unless you personally know the seller & know they're reputable. I personally, would not pay most ballpark prices not because I'm cheap, or because I think the seller is crazy (though some are), but because I KNOW that I'm going to use the truck: I'm probably going to beat it to death in a trail in the middle of nowhere, and I will NOT pay a high price for something when I know that I'll end up paying as much to fix it later. Besides, I would never get my money back if I were to sell it afterwards! ( I really am a much better driver than that, but even I have days when I'm in "stupid mode") I would say anywhere from $800-$2000, depending on wether or not it has a tropical top. Engines cost $$$$, so keep that in mind. But, since it's a non-runner, you have no idea what shape the gearbox & diffs are in, so try to get it for as least as is humanly possible. Charles On Thu, 10 Jul 2003 01:50:18 -0400 CHRISBONIN@aol.com writes: > > Ok... > > its a 88" > Hard top > two door > right hand drive > Not sure about the wheel size. > no accessories... [ 9 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! From bens Fri Jul 11 12:33:51 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h6BGXpix027110 for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 12:33:51 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h6BGXpXx027109 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 12:33:51 -0400 Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 12:33:51 -0400 Message-Id: <200307111633.h6BGXpLK027102@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Tom Walsh has moved! Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org ...And probably doesn't have his computers set up yet! I ended up driving up to his place Tuesday evening, not having heard from Jason yet (sorry Jason), and met up with Tom on Wednesday. We made the move Wednesday, getting a very late start after having to deal with movers that seemed to be unwilling to move his stuff! I ended up driving the F350 towing the Bee, because quite simply, my legs are just too damn long for me to be able to climb into his Porsche! This was okay, as I had good conversation with his two cats during the drive. We didn't make it into San Diego until 2300hrs, but at least we didn't hit any traffic, and all people/vehicles made it safely, and without incident. I was placed onto a Southwest flight back to San Jose yesterday morning, and drove the Rangie back to Visalia - then helped Janet deliver 40 blinds to a customer in Bakersfield - busy day for me! And now, I get to head over to see the bulldozer guy, and see if he figured out what we want done at the property! Charles ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! From bens Fri Jul 11 13:00:46 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h6BH0kix027256 for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 13:00:46 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h6BH0jRg027255 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 13:00:45 -0400 Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 13:00:45 -0400 Message-Id: <200307111700.h6BH0jtd027251@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Thomas Joyner To: Mendo List Subject: Disco II buying advice Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hey all, The 88 RR left me high and dry in Flagstaff last weekend. I am in the market for a low mileage replacement rover. The DII is highest on the list because it can have the rear jump seats that face forward. It would be easy for the missus to maneuver and it'll fit in my garage. Three children in car seats don't fit well in a three across format in a classic and I can't believe the situation would be better in a DI or MKII RR. Does anyone have a bit of advice or warnings to give on the Disco II? Ideally I'd like the 4.6L '03 to be able to safely tow the pop up trailer (but at this time can not afford!). According to specs the DI is only rated for 1650lbs towing capacity (like the 3.5l and 3.9L classics). Anyway, as always the list's collective and sage advice is appreciated! Tom currently rover-less in Durango From bens Fri Jul 11 13:30:36 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h6BHUaix027357 for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 13:30:36 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h6BHUaA8027356 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 13:30:36 -0400 Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 13:30:36 -0400 Message-Id: <200307111730.h6BHUa19027352@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Kerner, Rob" To: Subject: RE: Disco II buying advice Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >>>>>>>>>>>> According to specs the DI .>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>is only rated for 1650lbs towing capacity (like the 3.5l and 3.9L >>>>>>>>>>>>classics). Anyway, as always the list's collective and sage advice is >>>>> How can a DI not tow a tent trailer? I can tow ours with Regent, a series III 88! Our pop does have brakes, so it makes it possible to stop efficiently, but if I can to behind one behind an 88 down M5 in a snow storm, I certainly hope a disco could. -Rob From bens Fri Jul 11 15:33:40 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h6BJXeix027617 for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 15:33:40 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h6BJXenZ027616 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 15:33:40 -0400 Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 15:33:40 -0400 Message-Id: <200307111933.h6BJXeHq027612@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Jason Pipes" To: Subject: RE: is it electrical or fuel?? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Sorry for the delay - yes, the 110 3.9 does have a throttle position sensor. Any thoughts on what it would do were it to fail, and/or how to replace it? jpipes > >How about the Throttle position sensor? Does it have one of those. > Jason Pipes wrote: > I have a problem I need some help IDing > > Not so long ago I replaced the ignition control module on the 110 which > promptly fixed a nasty stalling problem that occurred after the truck had > been running for awhile. It was due to a heat distribution problem that > essentially broke the ignition control module due to its placement on the > distributor and was therefore causing the truck to stall out when the engine > was really warm. > [ 30 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Fri Jul 11 16:09:19 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h6BK9Jix027711 for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 16:09:19 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h6BK9JZU027710 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 16:09:19 -0400 Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 16:09:19 -0400 Message-Id: <200307112009.h6BK9JPe027706@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: stubby was: difficulty in engaging gears Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi John, The spacer is supposedly needed when it has a 9 1/2" clutch and I couldn't find the spare I had from a 70-88. So I used a VW exhaust manifold flange there. I also believe the bracket there is from the 70. That's why the slave mounts on top of it instead of deep inside. Bob B At 10:18 PM 7/8/2003, John Hess wrote: >During the redoing of Stubby's drivetrain, I had an issue like this >without knowing it. > >I had installed the new tranny (hrtc) and a new slave cylinder. The >slave cylinder on the truck had a very nice, original looking spacer >between the mounting bracket and the slave. I removed it and installed >the new slave, measuring the distance from a couple point like in the >green bible. I thought I had the slave set up correctly, I bled >everything and though the clutch did disengage, it bothered me that 1) [ 38 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Fri Jul 11 17:24:47 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h6BLOlix027884 for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 17:24:47 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h6BLOlsV027883 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 17:24:47 -0400 Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 17:24:47 -0400 Message-Id: <200307112124.h6BLOlLV027879@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Shannon Holland To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: is it electrical or fuel?? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org On Friday, July 11, 2003, at 12:33 PM, Jason Pipes wrote: > Sorry for the delay - yes, the 110 3.9 does have a throttle position > sensor. > Any thoughts on what it would do were it to fail, and/or how to > replace it? > Mine failed a couple of years ago on the 110. I had a bad O2 sensor as well at the time so I don't know what all the throttle sensor was causing. I don't know that I would expect it to "cause" anything though - wouldn't it just make the computer's idea of where the throttle was be off? Although if it gave erratic as opposed to consistently wrong values, that might cause weird things to go on. As I recall it was pretty very to replace - I was just standing next to Philippe as he did it. Think it was just unscrew and unplug the old one, then install the new one. The thing that caused us more amusement was that the O2 sensors were cross-wired on my truck (computer would tell us the left sensor was bad, we would replace it and it was still bad). Guess I have a friday afternoon truck! Shannon From bens Fri Jul 11 18:18:25 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h6BMIPix027985 for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 18:18:25 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h6BMIPhY027984 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 18:18:25 -0400 Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 18:18:25 -0400 Message-Id: <200307112218.h6BMIPRx027980@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: is it electrical or fuel?? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hey Jason. The TPS is just a variable resistor, just like the fuel level sensor in the gas tank. It should have 3 wires. One hooked to one end of the resistor, one hooked to the other end, and one hooked to the "slider". So as you move the throttle from closed to open you should be able to find one pair of pins where your ohm readings rise, one pair where they fall, and one where they stay constant at something less than infinite. You want that steady pair to be something less than infinite, and you want the other pairs to rise/fall steadily. The dominant failure mode of these things is for a couple of the windings to go to bad contact so that as you rotate the throttle with your ohm meter on one of those variable pairs of pins you'll se your readings be steadily rising, and then jump to some silly value or other, and then back to a reasonable number in the progression. Of course, the ones that go bad are the ones adjacent to where you spend most of your cruising time. Now the ecu doesn't use throttle position for anything really serious, other than like retarding timing at full throttle, and comparing it against the MAFs to determine engine load. So the TPS as a source of a miss or dropping cylinders is pretty remote, but folks report fixing these kinds of problems with a TPS change sometimes, so it might be worth at least hooking up the ohm meter. Did you verify that temp sensor is okay? -Dave G. From bens Fri Jul 11 19:50:34 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h6BNoYix028117 for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 19:50:34 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h6BNoYrT028116 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 19:50:34 -0400 Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 19:50:34 -0400 Message-Id: <200307112350.h6BNoY6M028112@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Joe Ward To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Another Norcal LR club? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I was talking to Jason last night at the pub and a question about the history of the NCRC came up. When I bought my first Land Rover back in '84, the owner gave me some newsletters from a Northern California Land Rover club. I had assumed that club and the NCRC were the same, but Jason stated that the NCRC was only formed about 8 years ago. Was there an earlier version of the NCRC? Joe Ward Technical Writer ventaso 415.364.6475 jward@ventaso.com Ventaso - the Customer Message Management solution. www.ventaso.com From bens Fri Jul 11 19:54:32 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h6BNsWix028131 for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 19:54:32 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h6BNsWHK028130 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 19:54:32 -0400 Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 19:54:32 -0400 Message-Id: <200307112354.h6BNsWUT028126@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Franklin H. Yap" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Another Norcal LR club? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org There was the LROA with a lot of Bay Area members. Frank --------------------- Joe Ward wrote: >I was talking to Jason last night at the pub and a question about the >history of the NCRC came up. When I bought my first Land Rover back in '84, > From bens Fri Jul 11 21:25:49 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h6C1Pnix028252 for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 21:25:49 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h6C1Pnur028251 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 21:25:49 -0400 Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 21:25:49 -0400 Message-Id: <200307120125.h6C1Pnjw028247@minbar.fourfold.org> From: CSI Guy To: mendo_list Subject: sighting and bash J##P Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Today was my first officer training in South Lake Tahoe (I did the training, EPAS, Evidential Portable Alcohol System). On the way up and back saw almost every J##P in northern CA. Not sure they were going to do anything real (not that I can talk, but mine is dirty) because they looked all clean and shiny. Did see a nice red D-90 and behind it a white or off white Range Rover. Both have obviously been off-road because they were still carrying the dirt form some time ago and the Range Rover appeared to have a dent in one of the doors. Joe __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From bens Fri Jul 11 21:29:37 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h6C1Tbix028266 for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 21:29:37 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h6C1TbpR028265 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 21:29:37 -0400 Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 21:29:37 -0400 Message-Id: <200307120129.h6C1TbW5028261@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Russ Wilson To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: sighting and bash J##P Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Today was my first officer training in South Lake >Tahoe Joe, Do you live up at Tahoe? The wife and I may be relocating up that way in June. RW -- Blaming Guns for Crime is Like Blaming Spoons for Rosie O'Donnell Being Fat From bens Fri Jul 11 21:37:42 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h6C1bgix028300 for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 21:37:42 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h6C1bgDP028299 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 21:37:42 -0400 Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 21:37:41 -0400 Message-Id: <200307120137.h6C1bf9f028295@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Disco II buying advice Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Tom, What happened???????? Charles On Fri, 11 Jul 2003 13:00:45 -0400 Thomas Joyner writes: > > Hey all, > > The 88 RR left me high and dry in Flagstaff last weekend. I am in > the > market for a low mileage replacement rover. The DII is highest on > the > list because it can have the rear jump seats that face forward. It > would be easy for the missus to maneuver and it'll fit in my garage. [ 21 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! From bens Fri Jul 11 23:07:11 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h6C37Bix028436 for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 23:07:11 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h6C37BIs028435 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 23:07:11 -0400 Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 23:07:11 -0400 Message-Id: <200307120307.h6C37BGr028431@minbar.fourfold.org> From: John Hess To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: stubby was: difficulty in engaging gears Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org So does this mean I did it right, or I should put the spacer back in? I have no idea what clutch I have, but it's working and with the timing advanced off scale, Stubby is running great, no hesitation upon touching the throttle. On Friday, July 11, 2003, at 01:09 PM, Bob & Sue Bernard wrote: > > Hi John, > > The spacer is supposedly needed when it has a 9 1/2" clutch and I > couldn't > find the spare I had from a 70-88. So I used a VW exhaust manifold > flange > there. > I also believe the bracket there is from the 70. That's why the slave [ 20 additional quoted lines pruned. ] John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Land Rover Dormobile web pages: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby" 1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" mine: 1999 Bianchi Milano, 2001 Bianchi Pista, 2002 Merlin Extra Fat, ours:2002 Meridian Attache Softride Tandem From bens Sat Jul 12 01:19:15 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h6C5JFix028824 for ; Sat, 12 Jul 2003 01:19:15 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h6C5JFUj028823 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 12 Jul 2003 01:19:15 -0400 Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 01:19:14 -0400 Message-Id: <200307120519.h6C5JE6q028819@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Granville" To: Subject: Re: Another Norcal LR club? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Frank wrote: > There was the LROA with a lot of Bay Area members. Sometime, when I'm feeling more energetic, I'll try to remember to relate a bit of that history. Those who deal with Mike Green might ask him about the club (of which I was a member for one year) that came before the LROA (Land-Rover Owners' Association). LROA had a newsletter called the Aluminum Workhorse. Brad Blevins was the editor for years. I forgot the name of the older club but Mike Green was president when I was in it. That was when Scotty was still in his full and triving business, Atlantic British was in Mechanicsville, NY & Lewiston, CA, and Gary Wescott's Turtle Expedition used a Land-Rover 109. Those were the days! Cheers, Granny From bens Sat Jul 12 01:34:48 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h6C5Ymix028861 for ; Sat, 12 Jul 2003 01:34:48 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h6C5YmgX028860 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 12 Jul 2003 01:34:48 -0400 Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 01:34:48 -0400 Message-Id: <200307120534.h6C5YmMQ028856@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "mpatrykus" To: Subject: RE: LRDG Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Mark Pilkington wrote: "They had their Polo ponies with them and their English side by side gun pairs so they could shoot chukkar and other desert birds when they were not fighting. It was all rather brave and dashing it seems." Anything to forget war and raise spirits...utterly fantastic Mark, thanks for relating that. Times have changed so much. Incidentally, the LRDG Chevies have always been a favorite of mine, bristling with gear & guns- the granddad of the Pink Panther Land Rover. They were also 2WD to squeeze every MPG out of them. -Mo From bens Sat Jul 12 02:36:12 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h6C6aCix028954 for ; Sat, 12 Jul 2003 02:36:12 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h6C6aC4b028953 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 12 Jul 2003 02:36:12 -0400 Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 02:36:12 -0400 Message-Id: <200307120636.h6C6aCog028949@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: LRDG Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Mo, Ever see one of Gillian's old doors? Apparently, the truck was used in some sort of flick about the LRDG that was filmed in South Africa, and it was still painted in those colors when I got her! The doorskins were rotted to pieces, so I replaced the doors. I gave one to Lawrence Quiroz (formerly of BP), and I kept the other one for hanging on the garage wall. Charles On Sat, 12 Jul 2003 01:34:48 -0400 "mpatrykus" writes: > > Mark Pilkington wrote: > > "They had their Polo ponies with them and their English side by > side gun pairs so they could shoot chukkar and other desert birds > when they > were not fighting. It was all rather brave and dashing it seems." > > Anything to forget war and raise spirits...utterly fantastic Mark, [ 12 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! From bens Sat Jul 12 09:14:03 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h6CDE3ix029419 for ; Sat, 12 Jul 2003 09:14:03 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h6CDE3Jj029418 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 12 Jul 2003 09:14:03 -0400 Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 09:14:02 -0400 Message-Id: <200307121314.h6CDE25i029414@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: stubby was: difficulty in engaging gears Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org John, I would say if you have the clutch working, leave it as is. But if the spacer isn't in, save it for just in case. Bob B At 08:07 PM 7/11/2003, you wrote: >So does this mean I did it right, or I should put the spacer back in? >I have no idea what clutch I have, but it's working and with the timing >advanced off scale, Stubby is running great, no hesitation upon >touching the throttle. > > > > > [ 20 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Sat Jul 12 20:09:36 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h6D09aix030303 for ; Sat, 12 Jul 2003 20:09:36 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h6D09aOS030302 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 12 Jul 2003 20:09:36 -0400 Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 20:09:36 -0400 Message-Id: <200307130009.h6D09anc030298@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Keith Shukait To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #1092 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org List Manager, The Mendo_Recce digest: Tuesday, July 8 2003 Volume 02 : Number 1092 was the last one I received. Is the list slow, or have I been dropped some how? Please let me know. Cheers, Keith Shukait From bens Sat Jul 12 20:45:10 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h6D0jAix030366 for ; Sat, 12 Jul 2003 20:45:10 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h6D0jABa030365 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 12 Jul 2003 20:45:10 -0400 Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 20:45:10 -0400 Message-Id: <200307130045.h6D0jAL4030361@minbar.fourfold.org> From: John Hess To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #1092 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org you got dropped. the list has been talking desert war stuff. I'll forward some to you. On Saturday, July 12, 2003, at 05:09 PM, Keith Shukait wrote: > > List Manager, > > The Mendo_Recce digest: Tuesday, July 8 2003 Volume 02 : Number 1092 > was the last one I received. Is the list slow, or have I been dropped > some how? Please let me know. > > Cheers, > [ 3 additional quoted lines pruned. ] John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Land Rover Dormobile web pages: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby" 1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" mine: 1999 Bianchi Milano, 2001 Bianchi Pista, 2002 Merlin Extra Fat, ours:2002 Meridian Attache Softride Tandem From bens Sat Jul 12 21:18:36 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h6D1Iaix030426 for ; Sat, 12 Jul 2003 21:18:36 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h6D1Ia2w030425 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sat, 12 Jul 2003 21:18:36 -0400 Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 21:18:36 -0400 Message-Id: <200307130118.h6D1Iap9030421@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jeremy Bartlett To: mendo Subject: Re: LRDG Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Mo wrote, Incidentally, the LRDG Chevies have always been a favorite of mine, bristling with gear & guns- the granddad of the Pink Panther Land Rover. They were also 2WD to squeeze every MPG out of them. Someone in the South Bay area ?? has a reconstruction of one that shows up at shows from time to time. These classic Chevys didn't actually appear until '42 (similar ones were used prior though). In '41 a large number of Ford V8 4x4s were used. They also had some 6x6 haulers on loan from local oil companies. One of the inovations created by Bagnold and Clayton was the sand ladder roll which was essentially rubberized canvas with sticks sown cross wise. That's what shows up on the fenders of these trucks (along with bail out bags). Jeremy Jeremy From bens Sun Jul 13 01:48:17 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h6D5mHix030761 for ; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 01:48:17 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h6D5mH1u030760 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 01:48:17 -0400 Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 01:48:16 -0400 Message-Id: <200307130548.h6D5mGVC030756@minbar.fourfold.org> From: joe mulqueen To: mendo Subject: Re: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #1092 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 20:09:36 -0400 Dear Keith, You're gonna be outta here if we don't start hearing progress with that Dormobile! Joe Mulqueen '67 SIIA 109 SW From: Keith Shukait Subject: Re: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #1092 List Manager, The Mendo_Recce digest: Tuesday, July 8 2003 Volume 02 : Number 1092 was the last one I received. Is the list slow, or have I been dropped some how? Please let me know. Cheers, Keith Shukait __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From bens Sun Jul 13 03:42:49 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h6D7gnix030837 for ; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 03:42:49 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h6D7gndq030836 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 03:42:49 -0400 Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 03:42:49 -0400 Message-Id: <200307130742.h6D7gnEc030832@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: Mendo Subject: anyone else have bad dealings with West Coast British? more details later... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hey guys, I'm doing some checking to see who else has been treated poorly(to say the least!!!) by Mike Greene at West Coast British. I will ellaborate more later, but for now will say he treated us badly to say the least!!!!! I'm looking into pursuing things with him in near future, and need some feedback about how he has treated others and their vehicles...info on honesty, overcharging, false claims of broken parts etc....not to mention rudeness..... ....basicly after our encounter he has come accross as a rude, lying self-serving cheat...to say the least..... thanks for all and any information Paul (and Elisa...this is regarding her '93 LWB rangie we took in there for him to look at and....) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From bens Sun Jul 13 05:21:31 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h6D9LVix031093 for ; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 05:21:31 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h6D9LVaB031092 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 05:21:31 -0400 Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 05:21:30 -0400 Message-Id: <200307130921.h6D9LURv031088@minbar.fourfold.org> From: John Young To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Disco II buying advice Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Tom asked: > Does anyone have a bit of advice or warnings to give on the Disco II? > Ideally I'd like the 4.6L '03 to be able to safely tow the pop up > trailer (but at this time can not afford!). According to specs the DI > is only rated for 1650lbs towing capacity (like the 3.5l and 3.9L > classics). Anyway, as always the list's collective and sage advice is > appreciated! That towing figure sounds more like the payload capacity, but I don't know the figures for a DI. My 1999 Disco II, has a 1,700lbs payload (slightly more than regular due to optional rear air suspension), and can tow up to 5,500lbs in high-range and around 7,700lbs in low-range. It has a class III hitch receiver which can support a tongue-weight of up to 500lbs. IMNSHO, the DII and newer Rangies are some of the most capable towing vehicles out there for their size (i.e., SUVs that aren't school-bus size). I've only towed a motorcycle trailer with two KTM Rallye 660's on it (about 1000lbs total), and the DII didn't even know it was back there. All the way to San Diego and back. The optional tow kit from Land Rover (ball, step-down armature thingie, secondary safety chains, gloves, key-locking pin) is expensive but very high quality. I have always loved my DII. In the four years I've owned it, it's needed a new starter motor, another MAF sensor, intake manifold gasket, 3 taillamp bulbs, a hydraulic fluid hose replaced, brake pads, misc. fluids, and 3 radiators (strange, yes)... but I don't consider that bad since the truck has about as much technology packed into it as the space shuttle. And despite the press, the 4.0L is peppy enough. If you really stomp on it, it's torqy enough to maneuver in traffic, and mine has hit 105mph on an empty, straight freeway. Anything more would be a little wild in a truck that ways 5,000lbs, anyway. Gas mileage is poor (11-13mpg), but low-end torque is very good -- I think it reaches max torque at 2,600rpm, which is quite good for towing or off-roading. HTH, John Young From bens Sun Jul 13 10:05:45 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h6DE5jix031337 for ; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 10:05:45 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h6DE5jb7031336 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 10:05:45 -0400 Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 10:05:45 -0400 Message-Id: <200307131405.h6DE5jXo031332@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: anyone else have bad dealings with West Coast British? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Paul, I've had no dollar dealings with him. But, I recently called him to inquire about the engine he rebuilt in the bent 88 I bought. We spent a good amount of time on the phone and he never seemed rude or in a hurry to hang up, answering all my questions. Bob B At 12:42 AM 7/13/2003, you wrote: >Hey guys, I'm doing some checking to see who else has been >treated poorly(to say the least!!!) by Mike Greene at West >Coast British. I will ellaborate more later, but for now >will say he treated us badly to say the least!!!!! I'm >looking into pursuing things with him in near future, and >need some feedback about how he has treated others and >their vehicles...info on honesty, overcharging, false >claims of broken parts etc....not to mention rudeness..... > [ 12 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Sun Jul 13 10:26:37 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h6DEQbix031530 for ; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 10:26:37 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h6DEQbEc031529 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 10:26:37 -0400 Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 10:26:37 -0400 Message-Id: <200307131426.h6DEQbqa031525@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Benjamin Smith To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #1092 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In message <200307130045.h6D0jAL4030361@minbar.fourfold.org>you wrote: > you got dropped. the list has been talking desert war stuff. I'll > forward some to you. Actually what happened is that is mailbox filled up and his ISP started bouncing his email with "over quota" messages. He's on the list and will start resuming getting email as soon as hismailbox is reduced below the quota. Ben From bens Sun Jul 13 10:35:48 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h6DEZmix031648 for ; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 10:35:48 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h6DEZmGs031647 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 10:35:48 -0400 Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 10:35:48 -0400 Message-Id: <200307131435.h6DEZmae031643@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Benjamin Smith To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Mendo_Recce digest: V2 #1092 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In message <200307131426.h6DEQbqa031525@minbar.fourfold.org>you wrote: > Actually what happened is that is mailbox filled up and his ISP > started bouncing his email with "over quota" messages. He's on the list > and will start resuming getting email as soon as hismailbox is reduced > below the quota. And he's still over quota so the email that I sent bounced. If anyone knows him, give him a call and give him heads up asto why his email is boucing. Ben From bens Sun Jul 13 16:01:03 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h6DK13ix032290 for ; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 16:01:03 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h6DK135Z032289 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 16:01:03 -0400 Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 16:01:03 -0400 Message-Id: <200307132001.h6DK13tm032285@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Thomas Joyner To: Mendo List Subject: was DII advice now What happened? and pop up towing Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Charles, The fuel pump failed to energize at about 9:00 pm Sunday evening as I turned the key to head home. Sort of a last straw issue. I could'nt take the time to dig in myself as I had the whole family with. So a Hertz Lincoln Town Car did the job. I'm having a friendly auto shop in Flag fix it, then I have to go back and rescue it and my pop up trailer. Then sell it. Then buy a DII. Rob, You are right in that a DI or Classic will tow a pop up, however the owners manual clearly specifies 1650lbs as max towable without trailer brakes. I have towed my 2600lb pop up plenty of times and done alright but it is unbraked and probably pretty unsafe to do so. After posting the question to the discoweb BB, the answer came back that a DII 4.0L is also speced at 1650 for unbraked but capacity goes to something like 5000 with a braked trailer. So now I have to figure out if i can add electric or surge brakes to the pop up affordably. Tom Durango From bens Mon Jul 14 09:47:00 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h6EDl0ix001888 for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 09:47:00 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h6EDl0PL001887 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 09:47:00 -0400 Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 09:47:00 -0400 Message-Id: <200307141347.h6EDl04K001883@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: was DII advice now What happened? and pop up towing Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 30 lines filtered. ] Just curious Tom, What made it such an issue all of a sudden to have the rating for the trailer? Or, what kind of vehicle did you have towing it before that could handle 2k+ unbraked? My old 4.0 D1 (98) did fine with the big Coleman the one time we rented it. Car and trailer were loaded to the max, across CO and UT to GBNP and back. That one had surge brakes though. -Dave G. PS -(donning devil's advocate hat) You could get yourself a mighty nice 463 G-wagen for the price of a D2! :^))) From bens Mon Jul 14 10:00:04 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h6EE04ix001966 for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 10:00:04 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h6EE04H9001965 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 10:00:04 -0400 Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 10:00:03 -0400 Message-Id: <200307141400.h6EE032h001961@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Benjamin Smith To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Towing Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Over the weekend Christina and I picked up an auto haul trailer. A nice 18' full deck trailer so that I can use not only to haul dead cars home, but I can use it to haul other cargo. As we were at the trailer dealership I shoved the a new hitch (rated for 10000# instead of 5000# Reese one that I have--the trailer is rated for 7000 GVWR) into the Disco I class III receiver. I just couldn't get the pin fully in, so I crawled under to get it in right. And I spied something horrible. The receiver is usually welded to the rear crossmember. The entire upper weld had split and was turning the corner to go down the sides. That's a 4 to 6 inch weld failure. There is a 1/4 inch gap now. The other welds seem to be holding. As are the round tubes that are welded to the frame welds. Now I have to get this all rewelded before I can use the trailer. I don't tow all that much and not all that heavy loads. Maybe in an off road trip I hit the hitch on a rock or something which started the crack. But anyway the message is to keep inspecting that tow point if you use it. Ben From bens Mon Jul 14 10:52:34 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h6EEqYix002152 for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 10:52:34 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h6EEqYgK002151 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 10:52:34 -0400 Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 10:52:33 -0400 Message-Id: <200307141452.h6EEqXFX002147@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: was DII advice now What happened? and pop up towing Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Tom, unless you can afford the payments with no dents in other activities, I'd say fix the fuel pump, and move on...this is something that could happen at any time, even with a new DII. If I recall correctly, you just installed a new engine in that truck, didn't you? Would be a shame to scrap it now, after all that work. Charles On Sun, 13 Jul 2003 16:01:03 -0400 Thomas Joyner writes: > > Charles, > > The fuel pump failed to energize at about 9:00 pm Sunday evening as > I > turned the key to head home. Sort of a last straw issue. I could'nt > take the time to dig in myself as I had the whole family with. So a > Hertz Lincoln Town Car did the job. I'm having a friendly auto shop > in [ 3 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! From bens Mon Jul 14 11:15:15 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h6EFFFix002188 for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 11:15:15 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h6EFFFu4002187 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 11:15:15 -0400 Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 11:15:15 -0400 Message-Id: <200307141515.h6EFFFbP002183@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Benjamin Smith To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: was DII advice now What happened? and pop up towing Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In message <200307141452.h6EEqXFX002147@minbar.fourfold.org>you wrote: > The fuel pump failed to energize at about 9:00 pm Sunday evening as > I turned the key to head home. I've had fuel pump failures twice on the DI now. The first time it was a short in the wiring harness below the rear window in the roof side. (At the time LR chose to bypass this. I found the short 3 months later when the brake lights started poping fuses and I started pulling the head liner`). The second time was the 2 days before my wedding. I was very busy with everything else. I go out to the Disco in the morning to run an errand and the Disco turns, but won't start. A LR friend, Al Richer, had showed up to help out with things and volunteered to take a look. It ended up being high resistance at the connector to the fuel pump. Easy fix. He hops in his Range Rover Classic to tow his trailer 200 yards to set up his camp and gets 180 yards into the drive when the RR dies and won't restart. He gets towed off the field up to my garage. The problem? The insulation/wires that bring the volts from the wiring harness through the fuel tank mount died just inside the fuel tank. Another easyish fix, but required taking the fuel tank out. Nigel's disease at it's finest. I'd say that I liked the Series mechanical fuel pumps, but I've had those die on me too. One involved an Exxon-Valdez oil spill on I-5. Ben From bens Mon Jul 14 14:12:02 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h6EIC2ix002715 for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 14:12:02 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h6EIC2Px002714 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 14:12:02 -0400 Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 14:12:01 -0400 Message-Id: <200307141812.h6EIC1f0002710@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: roof top tents Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Well, I'm considering taking the plunge on one of these. As the family grows we want something a little more comfy and convenient than a tent, but I'm not ready to concede to hauling a trailer around just yet. I've been talking to some other friends and it seems like the "bagged up" ones eventually end up being shelled up in a home-made box to stop them flapping and soaking up dust and crap from the road. I like the hard shelled ones also for the ease with which the bedding can remain inside when it's closed up for very quick and easy set-up in the evenings. The reason I post the list is that on the Lofty Shelters website they have a link to the VROA expedition that Shane participated in. There they show one of the bagged-up type on a LR. I wanted to ask Shane how that one performed in real expedition use and if he might have noted anything about it, or any other shelters in use on that trip, that might be noteworthy in a buying decision. So what about it Shane, any observational pearls of wisdom? If price were truly no object, I'd be ordering one up from Voegel in Germany. But with the Euro and shipping and all, it would cost more than double what the Lofty Shelters ones do. And I probably don't need all the ruggedness of the Voegel anyway. -Dave G. From bens Mon Jul 14 15:05:44 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h6EJ5iix002905 for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 15:05:44 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h6EJ5iGq002904 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 15:05:44 -0400 Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 15:05:44 -0400 Message-Id: <200307141905.h6EJ5iYc002900@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Shane Ballensky To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: roof top tents Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I had the maggiolina Adventure model in the large size I had this on top of a 101 forward control(radiobody) which was like 8ft to the top My biggest gripe about this setup was the ladder. The tent comes with a lightweight ladder that I was not impressed with. The height of the 101 didn't help:) I would have liked to have used the ladder on the back of the 101 but the tent only has doors on the sides. The tent was easy to set up, just undo the latches and start cranking. I did manage to loose the crank and would recommend a spare! So likes: nice size easy setup easy take down(2 people is nice) durable. storage of bedding and extra bed mats all fit inside. dislikes: smell(seemed the fiberglass smell will never go away) mattress wasn't as great as the saleman made it out to be(IMO) though it was far from horrible. the external storage was lightweight items like lawn chairs. I think a gas can would be too much and for sure would need to be removed when the tent was in use. the fiberglass is thin and cannot be walked or climbed on(like when trying to reach all the latches) Overall I was very happy with the tent and would buy one again if I had the need. Shane From bens Mon Jul 14 16:13:10 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h6EKDAix003255 for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 16:13:10 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h6EKDAI3003254 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 16:13:10 -0400 Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 16:13:09 -0400 Message-Id: <200307142013.h6EKD9WM003250@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: roof top tents Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Thanks Shane! So by your statement that you'd buy one again, can I take that to mean you haven't seen anything you like better for the money? And that it was robust enough for the occasional expedition type use of a lot of (daily) up and down for a week or so at a time, as well as the mounting being up to the rigors of off-road driving? I got more than I bargained for here. I wasn't aware you'd actually used exactly the model I was considering. -Dave G. From bens Mon Jul 14 16:44:44 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h6EKiiix003383 for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 16:44:44 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h6EKiiAP003382 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 16:44:44 -0400 Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 16:44:44 -0400 Message-Id: <200307142044.h6EKiiam003378@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Franklin H. Yap" To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: NCRC Emeryville Lunch Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Mehdi, Blair, Fil, others .. I noticed that there is a lunch in Emeryville on Wed. Are you going to make it? Frank From bens Mon Jul 14 16:53:17 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h6EKrHix003411 for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 16:53:17 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h6EKrH0w003410 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 16:53:17 -0400 Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 16:53:16 -0400 Message-Id: <200307142053.h6EKrGlT003406@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Shane Ballensky To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: roof top tents Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org At 01:13 PM 7/14/03, you wrote: >Thanks Shane! > >So by your statement that you'd buy one again, can I take that to mean you >haven't seen anything you like better for the money? And that it was robust >enough for the occasional expedition type use of a lot of (daily) up and >down for a week or so at a time, as well as the mounting being up to the >rigors of off-road driving? I was in africa for 2 months and used it approx half the time. Other than some wear marks on the top from the extra gear(along with the dust) i stored on the rack the tent survived perfectly. I didn't really use the ladder much since I only had one and didn't want to have to climb over my smelly passenger(and vice versa). So he used the ladder and I climbed up the side. Before i purchased the tent I saw the other tents used by the group and didn't like the setup and I knew the cover would be a hassle. I haven't really looked into other roof top tents to make an accurate judgement as to the fact that this is the best tent available for price(I got mine for a discount); but I was very satisfied with it and have no hesitations about recommending it to someone else. >I got more than I bargained for here. I wasn't aware you'd actually used >exactly the model I was considering. > >-Dave G. Shane From bens Mon Jul 14 16:56:36 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h6EKuaix003428 for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 16:56:36 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h6EKuanC003427 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 16:56:36 -0400 Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 16:56:36 -0400 Message-Id: <200307142056.h6EKuajJ003423@minbar.fourfold.org> From: craig reece To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: roof top tents Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Dave, Shane's told you about the Lofty Shelters rooftop tent, and my buddy Steve Smith, who you prolly know from the G-Wagen world, has one on his '83 LWB G-Wagen (running on used fryer oil - wonder who put him up to that?) and likes it, except for the cheesy ladder, as Shane's pointed out. I have a Hannibal that I like a lot, but the main advantage of the Lofty Shelters/Maggiolina (sp?) is the slim profile of them, relative to the much taller Hannibals. But the Hannibal has a great mattress, and I love the awnings over the windows - allows you to have ventilation in all but the most driving rain. And we were camping at Bog Hot hotsprings in Nevada one time when a driving snowstorm came in during the night, and not only did the Hannibal, sans rainfly, keep the snow out, but *no wind* came through, even though the wind was rocking the whole truck. I was impresseds. Nathan Hindman, in your beautiful state, is a Hannibal dealer - via his bidness, http://www.pangaeaexpeditions.com/ And if you mount it on a Hannibal rack, you can spring for the optional "look ma no legs" awnings that mount on the side or on the rear, and which are also available with side curtains, so you can set up a spare bedroom or bath - or both. Why, before you know it, you could spend over $3000 on Hannibal stuff! Craig "Gomes, David" wrote: > Well, I'm considering taking the plunge on one of these. As the family > grows we want something a little more comfy and convenient than a tent, but > I'm not ready to concede to hauling a trailer around just yet. I've been > talking to some other friends and it seems like the "bagged up" ones > eventually end up being shelled up in a home-made box to stop them flapping > and soaking up dust and crap from the road. I like the hard shelled ones > also for the ease with which the bedding can remain inside when it's closed > up for very quick and easy set-up in the evenings. > [ 15 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Mon Jul 14 16:57:33 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h6EKvXix003442 for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 16:57:33 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h6EKvX0q003441 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 16:57:33 -0400 Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 16:57:32 -0400 Message-Id: <200307142057.h6EKvWfh003437@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Thomas Joyner To: Mendo List Subject: towing pop up Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org David, It is now an issue because I made the error of discussing towing capacities with my wife. To be fair it does make sense to be safe and operate within manufacturers spec. Like I mentioned earlier I have done a bunch of towing with the '88 Classic when it had a 3.5L and it did mostly well here in SoCo. Now with a newer vehicle on the horizon I'm expected to make sure we can safely tow with it. Don't tempt me with a G-wagen! Tom From bens Mon Jul 14 17:11:03 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h6ELB3ix003507 for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 17:11:03 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h6ELB3aC003506 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 17:11:03 -0400 Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 17:11:03 -0400 Message-Id: <200307142111.h6ELB3CI003502@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Joe Ward To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: Another Norcal LR club? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 21 lines filtered. ] It must have been the LROA I was thinking of. The name didn't ring a bell at first, but the Aluminum Workhorse title of the newsletter does. I guess there might be some factual basis for my wife's deprecations of my memory. Now where did I leave my kids... Thanks, Joe Ward Technical Writer ventaso 415.364.6475 jward@ventaso.com Ventaso - the Customer Message Management solution. www.ventaso.com From bens Mon Jul 14 17:17:40 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h6ELHeix003570 for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 17:17:40 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h6ELHeE3003569 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 17:17:40 -0400 Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 17:17:40 -0400 Message-Id: <200307142117.h6ELHeO6003565@minbar.fourfold.org> From: craig reece To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: roof top tents Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Dave, I forwarded my reply to you to Nathan Hindman, and this is what he responded with: Thanks for the heads up. I haven't slept in the Maggiola (which I semi-affectionately refer to as Mannicoti tents) but I've heard that they're quite clausterphobic in comparison the the tents that fold out such as Hannibal or Ezi-Awn. You may also clue him in to the fact that Hannibal is coming out with a hardshell version called the Impi. Details are on www.hannibal.co.za. "Gomes, David" wrote: > Well, I'm considering taking the plunge on one of these. From bens Mon Jul 14 18:08:48 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h6EM8mix003714 for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 18:08:48 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h6EM8m8S003713 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 18:08:48 -0400 Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 18:08:48 -0400 Message-Id: <200307142208.h6EM8mpf003709@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: roof top tents Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "...I forwarded my reply to you to Nathan Hindman,..." Yeah, Nathan's an interesting guy. I did the SG three-link install on his D90 when he had it. And he borrowed a hammer from me to pound his drop-kit-displaced springs back in on a trail run of his Disco once. If I remember right, that's the same trip where he showed up at Chuque's place to switch tires the night before the trip and found one of his hubs holding on by two threads of ONE hub nut. Chuque donated parts from the Disco I'd traded him for the G to fix Nathan's rig. Gosh, I'd forgotten about THAT little extension of the great swapping fest. Anyhoo.... The Hannibal stuff is cool and definitely looks the part, and I DO dig those window awnings. I was also looking at Howling Moon out of za. They make a great monster family sized roof tent. But I just can't cozy up to a number of things. Mainly all that canvas folding and bagging the whole thing up. My primary use will be for trips where I'm traveling around a lot and setting/breaking camp every day. The ability to shut the bedding up in a tidy package with a turn of the crank holds LOTS of appeal over having to pack and store bedding in addition to schlepping a lot of canvas around to get it all bagged up and ready to go. The idea being to be mostly just sleeping in it at night and then striking to go means that I'll probably consider convenient setup and take down higher on my list than how comfy it is to "live" in. It's silly, but the biggest drawback to me about the "manicotti camper" (I LOVE IT!) is that RV plastic shell look. Maybe eventually I could have it done in silver like the roof of the G so it would blend in a little more. My roof rack is hardly noticeable up there, mostly due to the color. The only other reservation I have about it is the cable system for winding it up and down. Seems needlessly complex. They do make the wedge style like the new one from Hannibal that raise on gas props, but those mostly aren't quite as roomy as the crank up ones. I dunno....I'll keep poking around. -Dave G. From bens Mon Jul 14 18:13:04 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h6EMD4ix003730 for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 18:13:04 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h6EMD4LL003729 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 18:13:04 -0400 Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 18:13:04 -0400 Message-Id: <200307142213.h6EMD4FI003725@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: towing pop up Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "...It is now an issue because I made the error of discussing towing capacities with my wife...." Hee Hee! "...To be fair it does make sense to be safe and operate within manufacturers spec...." Oh definitely. But I think you're approaching it from the wrong direction. It'll be tough to find any vehicle that will be rated to tow a ton + unbraked. Getting brakes on the trailer will be cheaper than a new 2500 Sub, and would free up your vehicle choices a long way. It'll probably mean a new axle for the trailer though. Fires threatening you this year? I hope not. -Dave G. From bens Mon Jul 14 18:53:51 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h6EMrpix003793 for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 18:53:51 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h6EMrpxs003792 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 18:53:51 -0400 Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 18:53:51 -0400 Message-Id: <200307142253.h6EMrpCI003788@minbar.fourfold.org> From: shukait@mac.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Bonehead / Busy Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org All, 14 years in the industry and I missed my inbox being full. Our vacation pictures filled it and I skipped over the notification email too! Work has been really busy... I enjoyed those of you who asked if I'm new to this computer thing. I think my skull is growing thicker as I get older. The good thing is, I'm looking pretty silly on the Dormobile list too. ;^) Thanks for the heads up, Keith From bens Mon Jul 14 19:38:03 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h6ENc3ix003862 for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 19:38:03 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h6ENc32C003861 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 19:38:03 -0400 Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 19:38:03 -0400 Message-Id: <200307142338.h6ENc3OS003857@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Nancy Hart To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: roof top tents Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org If you're near the East Bay you're welcome to come by and check out the Hannibal tent I have. I took myself and my two pre-teen kids last weekend camping in it. The side awning unit makes for an extra room. And the rack is sturdy enough for gas, gear and tent. I can fit the sleeping bags inside but I have to cinch them down first since that the cover fits tight. Nancy slideshow pictures from last weekend http://homepage.mac.com/nancyehart/lavabeds/lavabeds.mov On Monday, July 14, 2003, at 11:12 AM, Gomes, David wrote: > > Well, I'm considering taking the plunge on one of these. As the family > grows we want something a little more comfy and convenient than a > tent, but > I'm not ready to concede to hauling a trailer around just yet. I've > been > talking to some other friends and it seems like the "bagged up" ones > eventually end up being shelled up in a home-made box to stop them > flapping [ 29 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Mon Jul 14 20:34:09 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h6F0Y9ix003967 for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 20:34:09 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h6F0Y9d8003966 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 20:34:09 -0400 Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 20:34:09 -0400 Message-Id: <200307150034.h6F0Y9Df003962@minbar.fourfold.org> From: craig reece To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: roof top tents Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Nancy, Just checked out the slideshow, and it was almost as good as getting out of town. Thanks! Craig Nancy Hart wrote: > If you're near the East Bay you're welcome to come by and check out the > Hannibal tent I have. I took myself and my two pre-teen kids last > weekend camping in it. The side awning unit makes for an extra room. > And the rack is sturdy enough for gas, gear and tent. I can fit the > sleeping bags inside but I have to cinch them down first since that the > cover fits tight. > > Nancy > slideshow pictures from last weekend [ 14 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Mon Jul 14 20:55:09 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h6F0t9ix004057 for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 20:55:09 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h6F0t9uT004056 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 20:55:09 -0400 Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 20:55:09 -0400 Message-Id: <200307150055.h6F0t9HH004052@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jeremy Bartlett To: mendo Subject: Re:Disco II buying advice Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org John wrote "3 radiators (strange, yes)..." This is one problem with DIIs. The newer ones may have been upgraded but I don't know. The radiators are prone to seepage failure at the right tank. Rumor is it's been attributed to how they are mounted. It's not like they all leak but it's not unusual to have one come in for a 22.5K service and find no coolant in the resevoir... Jeremy From bens Mon Jul 14 21:11:41 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h6F1Bfix004163 for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 21:11:41 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h6F1BfKU004162 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 21:11:41 -0400 Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 21:11:41 -0400 Message-Id: <200307150111.h6F1BfQv004158@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Roger Sinasohn To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: What would a ball park price be for a 59 Series Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org At 05:39 PM 7/9/03 -0400, you wrote: > > I'd agree with John Hess, if it's an 88"; another grand if 109 2-door; > > as > > much as $4k if 109 2-door. Not that I'm biased or anything. 8^) > >I suspect you must be. I thought rebuildable 109 2-doors with hard top >start at around $10K. I may be out of date (or out of touch) but they're not that hard to find in England/Oz and I would think a vehicle that old could be brought over for less than $10k. >88's? They are good for converting into short off road trailers or 109 >support vehicles I suppose. Nice around-town runabouts. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger@sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/ From bens Mon Jul 14 21:11:51 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h6F1Bpix004179 for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 21:11:51 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h6F1Bpbm004178 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 21:11:51 -0400 Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 21:11:51 -0400 Message-Id: <200307150111.h6F1Bplc004174@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Roger Sinasohn To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Will AAA buy me a Safari Gard bumper? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Okay, so yesterday we had a little run in with a taxi driver... (The two witnesses said it was his fault, btw.) I suspect we'll need a new bumper on the '99 Disco II. So I'm thinking, a new bumper has got to cost a few hundred bucks, right? Plus the cost of installing it... What if I paid the difference in cost and had the shop install a Safari Gard bumper instead? Would the insurance go for that? Would they need to know? (Mind you, I'm not trying to scam AAA to get them to pay for everything, but if they were going to pay, say $300 for the bumper and $300 (or whatever) to install it, would they care if I chipped in another $1K and the guy installed a Safari Gard bumper instead?) Also, anyone know who would be willing to do that? I suspect the dealer (LR Redwood City) wouldn't... Michael Veys? Phillipe at Roverland? Does the Safari Gard bumper work with the airbags, or do they go out the window? If I want to get a winch, but can't afford it right now, can it be added easily later? Money's extremely tight right now, but I'm thinking this might be an opportunity worth taking advantage of. Thanks! --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger@sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/ From bens Mon Jul 14 21:29:24 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h6F1TOix004310 for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 21:29:24 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h6F1TOVg004309 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 21:29:24 -0400 Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 21:29:23 -0400 Message-Id: <200307150129.h6F1TN50004305@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Roger Sinasohn To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: roof top tents Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org At 02:12 PM 7/14/03 -0400, you wrote: >Well, I'm considering taking the plunge on one of these. As the family >grows we want something a little more comfy and convenient than a tent, but I have a Medium Columbus from Lofty Shelters on the Disco (Since mid-June). Main things I've noticed: Set-up is fantastic -- undo the latch and shove. Take-down is not as easy, can take as much as a minute. Mattress is about queen sized, we use regular sheets and a comforter and just leave it all there. No noticable effect on gas mileage for 3K miles The ladder is a little cheesy -- The Columbus is nice because it does have a door at the back. I bought a ladder for the rear door from Atlantic British, but haven't installed it yet. (I just climb up the tire myself.) There is a steel one available, but I do like the light weight. The big advantage over some of the other tents is weight -- they're around 115 lbs, iirc. We slept in it with me, my wife, wee Jared (15 months old) and Cassie (8 year old niece). With the four of us, it's cozy, for sure. I'm not sure how much longer we'll be able to use it for all of us. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger@sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/ From bens Mon Jul 14 21:38:34 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h6F1cYix004441 for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 21:38:34 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h6F1cYbm004440 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 21:38:34 -0400 Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 21:38:34 -0400 Message-Id: <200307150138.h6F1cYcd004436@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Will AAA buy me a Safari Gard bumper? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Roger, You may be surprised at what the repair estimate comes back as! I'd guess that it will be around a grand or so!! Yeah! shop around at few places and use the two highest bids... Usually the insurance co will aggree on a specific bid and these days they often send the $$ to teh shop instead of you to prefent you from pocketing and not doing repair. YMMV.......but the point is stock parts are pretty pricey, The Light Brigade got an ARB bumper years ago when Tom was attacked by a dear...and I recall it was cheaper than the stock bumper and bar...from my experience so far....and Tom's before....the ARB bumper has proved to be extremely durable...I'm sure teh ARB one for the D2 is as well, but have heard that teh SG ones are not as strong as earlier ones as in past years they have been skinnying them up for better clearance, unless they have changed again? teh discoweb guys used to talk about them not being too stron...I'd suggest getting on the discoweb b-board anc checking with some guys on that...I think that there are even articles on installation of different bumpers if you look around on there.. If I recall ARB makes an airbag bumper for teh D2, but not sure if $G does or not... Installing a winch-bumper w/o eh winch sounds like teh way to go for you. With the ARB adding teh winch later is not that big a deal, but not sure about teh SG, would guess similar and not needed to remove bumper, but not sure... Phillipe would prob ably be your best bet if you are wantong to have a shop do it...personally, I'd do it myself if I was you, or have a couple of fellow listmembes come by to help you if you are not feeling mechanically inclined at the time...Guinniss and pizza always talk! ;-) Paul --- Roger Sinasohn wrote: > > Okay, so yesterday we had a little run in with a taxi > driver... (The two > witnesses said it was his fault, btw.) I suspect we'll > need a new bumper > on the '99 Disco II. So I'm thinking, a new bumper has > got to cost a few > hundred bucks, right? Plus the cost of installing it... > What if I paid [ 23 additional quoted lines pruned. ] __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From bens Mon Jul 14 22:07:37 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h6F27bix004741 for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 22:07:37 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h6F27bTi004740 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 22:07:37 -0400 Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 22:07:37 -0400 Message-Id: <200307150207.h6F27bKq004736@minbar.fourfold.org> From: charles phu To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: WCB and clutch Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset=us-ascii ] [ 10 lines filtered. ] Hi all, As I mentioned earlier, I had my 109 towed to Mike at WCB last Thursday to get my clutch checked and repaired after I experienced a non complete operable clutch. Today he called me and quoted about $750 for replacing both master and slave cylinders and all the clutch hydraulic stuff with labor. I understand rebuilding both cylinders would be close to this number because the fender and the floor have to come off, but it seems to me still too much for such job and I don't have this budget for the moment. He said that since he doesn't know what goes wrong so he has to do the checking for all the clutch system, which requires such labor. No alternative he said. I am wondering if it is true? I would love to do the job myself but I am wondering how difficlut it would be, with the fact that it might be difficult for me to find time to do it. any advise would be welcomed! charles --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! From bens Mon Jul 14 23:27:28 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h6F3RSix004931 for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 23:27:28 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h6F3RSmY004930 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 23:27:28 -0400 Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 23:27:27 -0400 Message-Id: <200307150327.h6F3RRJx004926@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Jason Pipes" To: Subject: 110 woes resolved, more questions arise... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Petra and I replaced the coil and plugs on the 110 and all is now fine, no more stumbling or stalling at all! In the process of changing the coil we found what we think (embarrassingly) was the problem - an ill-fitting, loose, nearly unattached connection on the coil itself. This explains why when we had the stalling problem and looked under the hood on the side of the road why jiggling in or around the coil would cause the problem to seemingly go away temporarily. I can't believe we didn't think to check the coil more closely in the first place! The coil was 11 years old though so it wasn't so bad to replace it - and now we have another part for the spare box! New question - does the coil impact starting power? If you have the need to turn key twice before the engine turns over, is that something the coil would have an impact on or is that more so the battery or starter? Lastly, any thoughts on what could make an intermittent, medium pitch, steady clicking sound (kinda like a knick-knick-knick-knick) from the driveline (or so it seems) that gets slower as the truck slows down, and faster when it speeds up? U-joints failing? Driveline needs grease? Thanks for any thoughts! jpipes From bens Mon Jul 14 23:29:31 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h6F3TVix004945 for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 23:29:31 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h6F3TVma004944 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 23:29:31 -0400 Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 23:29:31 -0400 Message-Id: <200307150329.h6F3TVhx004940@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Jason Pipes" To: Subject: RE: NCRC Emeryville Lunch Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 17 lines filtered. ] I'll be there! jpipes From bens Mon Jul 14 23:41:52 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h6F3fqix004981 for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 23:41:52 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h6F3fqKQ004980 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 23:41:52 -0400 Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 23:41:52 -0400 Message-Id: <200307150341.h6F3fq6O004976@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Jason Pipes" To: Subject: NCRC picnic this weekend postponed - recovery clinic still on - Nevada trip info Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org The NCRC picnic at Ocean Beach scheduled for July 19th (this coming Saturday) is being postponed until August. Details will be posted on the site when they become available. The NCRC recovery clinic is still on for this Sunday, July 20th. Chris Down and I will be leading this informal (and hopefully informative) clinic. Details on when and where to meet will be posted here and on the site ASAP. For those interested in the upcoming Nevada desert trip, it's on and set for August 8, 9 and 10. All the (many) details will be posted on this event ASAP. If you are interested in attending please let me know as soon as possible. Photos from last years Nevada desert trip can be seen at the following link: http://www.norcalrover.org/pastevents/BR2002/index.htm jpipes From bens Mon Jul 14 23:42:36 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h6F3gaix004994 for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 23:42:36 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h6F3gaxA004993 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 23:42:36 -0400 Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 23:42:35 -0400 Message-Id: <200307150342.h6F3gZGp004989@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Granville" To: "Mendo Recce Mailing List" Subject: The Early Days, was Re: Another Norcal LR club? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Bruce wrote: > You should write an article for the NCRC newsletter on the LROA and other > pre-NCRC NoCal LR activities. Too many don't know about what was happening only > 7 or 8 years ago, especially with so many new, non series, owners. I might take a stab at it one of these days but others, such as Marvin Matson and Brad Blevins know a lot more. I'll have to bleed them for their help, if I'm to tell much of a story. Bob Bernard probably knows more than I do, too. I was in the early club for only one year. Mike Green was the president at the time and authored the newsletter. After one year of reading his rants, I lost interest but, before I did, gathered that lots of others weren't happy with his club. Partly because my Rovers were so marginal that I was afraid to drive them very far from home and partly because we did all our camping and four-wheeling in those days at my family's ranch in Humboldt County, I didn't go on any club outings. I was mostly out of the loop, then, when LROA was started and didn't know about it for a few years. Otherwise, I'd have been a charter member like Bob! Even when I did hear about it (probably from John Kirn or perhaps Tom Charters), I was too much of a Lazy-Bugger (not yet copyrighted at that time) to join for a few years. Eventually I did but still didn't go on any outings until I chanced to meet Gordon Kallio. He didn't know any other LROs so I connected him with Tom Charters and John Kirn. John introduced him to Lynn Helm and Domingos Dias. Gordon and I put together a Mendocino Forest Rallye for Memorial Day weekend of 1989. By then, I think Gordon might have already been to the desert with Dom, Lynn, & John. Certainly they, Marv, and others had done many desert trips together. My local LRO friends, Dick Hamilton and Don Brittingham also joined us. At the end of May 1989, we camped Saturday night of MemDay weekend at Plaskett Meadows in Mendocino NF (about 6,000 feet). We awoke in the morning to frozen water in our jugs. It began snowing at 6am and continued steadily until noon. Therefore, I'd been expecting a Mendo like this year's, as it's a month earlier. I was thrilled to have snow in our camp and on the road. The desert rats were not impressed. Gordon and I tried to round up a group for the same time the next year but got no takers. They became known as the Snivelers and returned to their desert wanderings. I went to a few of Gordon's parties and met the others there but went on no more wildland outings. Without the Internet for communication, I was too lazy to keep connected, it seems. Others--Gordon, especially--actually wrote real letters, on paper! I pretty much crawled back into my hole until I met a few of the (soon to be) original Lazy-Buggers at the Hayward Lawn Leak (I think I learned about it from a local sportscar buff) in 1994. By then, I was on the Internet and searching for everything Land-Rover I could find there. Due to the sketchy structure of it, poor browsers and search engines, I found little. At the leak, however, Vance Chin told me of the LRO list. I also met Roger Sinasohn and Morgan Hanaford, along with Karla Satra and her friend Patricia (military LRs). I heard mention of TeriAnn and her goats but didn't meet her there. I think Dom Dias took the show with his CT 110. Lynn Helm was there, too, and I think Brad Blevins. I recall that Roger, Vance, and I were fighting over the last remaining miniature LRs some vendor was selling. I got one and was satisfied. Once I was on the LRO list, I quickly found that there was a pretty good knot of LROs in the Bay Area who kept in touch via the list. The first discussion I remember was a picnic at the beach (I couldn't make it down there). Soon, though, TeriAnn mentioned that year's PABFM and I did make it to that. About two months after the '94 PABFM, Morgan and I began ambitiously (for Lazy-Buggers) planning a Mendocino Forest Rallye. First, of course, we had to recce the area, to plan the Rallye (hence, Mendo Recce). We had grand visions until later when someone asked Morgan about our insurance. INSURANCE? Hence the notaRallye! We had originally planned our first recce for November but it somehow didn't happen until January or February. By then, several others got wind of it and invited themselves along (the more the merrier, especially if everyone brought a good variety of vapour locke antidote). The rest is, as they say, history and is recorded elsewhere. Granny Champagne for my real friends; real pain for my sham friends. From bens Mon Jul 14 23:45:40 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h6F3jeix005011 for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 23:45:40 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h6F3jeuJ005010 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 23:45:40 -0400 Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 23:45:40 -0400 Message-Id: <200307150345.h6F3jeYp005006@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Granville" To: Subject: Re: 110 woes resolved, more questions arise... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > New question - does the coil impact starting power? If you have the need to > turn key twice before the engine turns over, is that something the coil > would have an impact on or is that more so the battery or starter? As Jeremy suggested to me, with my reluctant starting and sometimes funky running when I first start up, could be leaking injectors (haven't tackled mine yet). > Lastly, any thoughts on what could make an intermittent, medium pitch, > steady clicking sound (kinda like a knick-knick-knick-knick) from the > driveline (or so it seems) that gets slower as the truck slows down, and > faster when it speeds up? U-joints failing? Driveline needs grease? A stick caught in the driveline? Granny From bens Tue Jul 15 00:07:23 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h6F47Nix005164 for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 00:07:23 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h6F47NJC005163 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 00:07:23 -0400 Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 00:07:22 -0400 Message-Id: <200307150407.h6F47MVW005159@minbar.fourfold.org> From: john hess To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: WCB and clutch Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Charles, You must do it yourself. Follow the workshop manual for clutch master removal. Install a brand spankin new one if you don't want to rebuild your old one. Install a new clutch slave. The clutch slave is removable (in Stubby, my 88), from below without pulling the floor. The hole in the tranny tunnel is for bleeding it. You should be able to do it, but it might be a couple day effort and you're going to get dirtier than you think. If you install all new, buy rebuild kits for the master and slave and rebuild them for practice. Save them for spares. I would use silicon fluid, and flush your brake lines with it, gee the whole system in DOT 5. At some point, you will need to do brakes (I don't believe the stories about dot 5 cuasing problems) at some point and dot 5 fluid is really better. My 0.02, no intended dot5/girling wars intended. john hess, Davis, California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Dormie web pages at http://dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/startpoint.html From bens Tue Jul 15 00:16:41 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h6F4Gfix005183 for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 00:16:41 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h6F4GfiK005182 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 00:16:41 -0400 Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 00:16:40 -0400 Message-Id: <200307150416.h6F4GeUu005178@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Jeremy Bartlett To: mendo Subject: Range Rover/Defender Garage sale and giveaway Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org For anyone who's interested I have the following items that I'm moving out of my garage. If you want it you can come and get it (best by prior arrangement). First come first served. Free: Assorted used serpentine drive belts (4.0/4.6l engines) good for backup spares. Discovery 1 Dog Guard (no hardware) Classic/County Dog Guard (some hardware) Red Jack handle set Defender interior fuse/relay panel cover 4.0 water pump - used but supposed to be good - no obvious defects For Money: D90 swing away tire carrier and separate 3rd brake light assembly; taken off used but appears to be good. Will fit series II and III vehicles. $75. Defender brush bar (no hardware); used but almost mark free and very good condition. Wrap around style. $95 Classic/County Brush bar with Ramsey winch mount (REP 8000 or 6000); unused in box with instructions; box falling apart. $125 Defender 90 black diamond sill protector plates LRNA 4040B; in box: $40 Defender tops: I believe there's a Bimini and Fastback (half cover) I've never installed them so I don't know if they're absolutely complete. For the lot: $150. E mail me off list if your interested so the list doesn't get cluttered with "commmercial" interests :) Jeremy From bens Tue Jul 15 00:43:30 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h6F4hUix005210 for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 00:43:30 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h6F4hUqG005209 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 00:43:30 -0400 Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 00:43:29 -0400 Message-Id: <200307150443.h6F4hTLh005205@minbar.fourfold.org> From: John Hess To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: sighting Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Sat night, 8 PM, J St. Sacramento. Dark green disco series 1 with roof rack. No front air dam, steering protector, winch. I was in the Merc, going to a wedding reception. Saw a Chrysler Crossfire in the parking lot, attractive car. John F. Hess, Davis California jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us Land Rover Dormobile web pages: http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html 1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis" 1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby" 1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie" mine: 1999 Bianchi Milano, 2001 Bianchi Pista, 2002 Merlin Extra Fat, ours:2002 Meridian Attache Softride Tandem From bens Tue Jul 15 01:14:30 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h6F5EUix005239 for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 01:14:30 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h6F5EU9U005238 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 01:14:30 -0400 Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 01:14:29 -0400 Message-Id: <200307150514.h6F5ETTp005234@minbar.fourfold.org> From: charles phu To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re:Disco II buying advice Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset=us-ascii ] [ 10 lines filtered. ] I also did have experience with the radiator of my '99 Disco II once, which was a sudden leakage from radiator, about at its 20000 miles. Fortunately I found it soon enough then sent it to the dealer. Had it back with a new radiator and has been excellent since then. Other than that, the only problem I have had so far was a stuck starter, similar to John's as he mentioned. Having been extremely cared, it's been making me very happy. charles phu --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! From bens Tue Jul 15 02:15:26 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h6F6FQix005290 for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 02:15:26 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h6F6FQQG005289 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 02:15:26 -0400 Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 02:15:26 -0400 Message-Id: <200307150615.h6F6FQCP005285@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Peter Ogilvie To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: WCB and clutch Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Replacing the clutch and clutch master is not a bug deal. Getting the fender off and the floor boards up is half the job. Probably easier to remove the clutch tower to replace the M/C than trying to fiddle with it in situ. Bleeding is usually a piece of cake that you can do by yourself. Might want to replace the flex hose to the slave cylinder while you are at it. Be sure you note on which side of the bracket and spacer the slave cylinder goes before you remove it. I'm sold on Dot 5, especially if your truck sits for periods of time. The silicone doesn't gobble up water from the air like LMA. You don't have to worry about the cylinders freezing up if you don't use the truck for a week. Flush a little of the Dot 5 through the lines to purge the system of the old fluid. The only tools you'll need are 7/16" and 1/2" wrenchs and sockets. A pair of small Vice Grips are real handy if you don't have help in holding non captive nuts. Aloha Peter O. --- charles phu wrote: > > [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] > [ text/html; charset=us-ascii ] > [ 10 lines filtered. ] > > Hi all, > > As I mentioned earlier, I had my 109 towed to Mike > at WCB last Thursday to get my clutch checked and [ 24 additional quoted lines pruned. ] __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From bens Tue Jul 15 09:54:34 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h6FDsYix006052 for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 09:54:34 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h6FDsYfI006051 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 09:54:34 -0400 Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 09:54:34 -0400 Message-Id: <200307151354.h6FDsYjG006047@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: 110 woes resolved, more questions arise... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "...what could make an intermittent, medium pitch, steady clicking sound (kinda like a knick-knick-knick-knick) from the driveline (or so it seems)..." A light clicking, especially around corners, is sometimes a cracked CV cage. See if you can better nail down the location. Does it do it at slow speeds? There should be enough room under there to lay down and let Petra drive over you (tell her not to get any ideas....) Lots of times the source of drive line noises become REALLY obvious when you don't have all that pesky bodywork stuff between you and the source. I've heard some transfer cases that click too, but I never found out why. -Dave G. From bens Tue Jul 15 09:58:10 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h6FDwAix006121 for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 09:58:10 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h6FDwAFU006120 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 09:58:10 -0400 Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 09:58:10 -0400 Message-Id: <200307151358.h6FDwAFp006116@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Fil F." To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: NCRC Emeryville Lunch Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org i'll give it a try fil >From: "Franklin H. Yap" >Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >Subject: NCRC Emeryville Lunch >Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 16:44:44 -0400 > >Mehdi, Blair, Fil, others .. > >I noticed that there is a lunch in Emeryville on Wed. Are you going to [ 5 additional quoted lines pruned. ] _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From bens Tue Jul 15 10:02:02 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h6FE22ix006142 for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 10:02:02 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h6FE22cF006141 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 10:02:02 -0400 Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 10:02:02 -0400 Message-Id: <200307151402.h6FE22fq006137@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: WCB and clutch Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I agree with others, Charles. You should do it yourself. Even if it takes a while. It's not a bad job and you can do for $150 worth of parts and a few evenings what they'll charge you $750 for. Heck, provide the pizza and beer, or other non-redneck sustenance, and you might be able to spawn interest in a club meeting at Charles' place one night for a clutch party. 3 or 4 guys, with one who's done it before, could have it buttoned up in a couple hours including the bleeding. On my 109 I finally got the best clutch bleed by performing a pressure bleed from the slave up. I reversed the flow of my little mityvac vacuum pump to provide pressure, hooked the tube up to the slave cyl bleed screw, and forced fluid backward through the system. Just a thought if conventional methods fail you. -Dave G. From bens Tue Jul 15 10:09:39 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h6FE9dix006172 for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 10:09:39 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h6FE9dOo006171 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 10:09:39 -0400 Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 10:09:38 -0400 Message-Id: <200307151409.h6FE9cqV006167@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: Will AAA buy me a Safari Gard bumper? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org That's (almost) exactly what Progressive did for me when I hit the deer with the D1 on the way to Mendo back when. They said, "We make the estimate and cut the check. It's up to you how you want to spend it." I got a non-winch ARB from Bill Davis as I needed urban assault protection and ultimate approach angle wasn't key to me. After the way Ho's SG bumper pretzeled up in a fender bender, I decided the SG bumper was off road only, and then only if you really needed the clearance. Not much to speak of protection wise. I couldn't get Matt Peterson at Rockware to make me a bumper on short notice, so I went with the ARB. You might end up on the hook for extra labor if the SG bumper takes as much "custom fitting" as every other product of theirs I've seen. Ask AAA about it. AAA is pretty "hands off" now so they might go for it. It's definitely worth a try. -Dave G. From bens Tue Jul 15 10:37:21 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h6FEbLix006507 for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 10:37:21 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h6FEbLlR006506 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 10:37:21 -0400 Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 10:37:20 -0400 Message-Id: <200307151437.h6FEbKcD006502@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Eric Fournier To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Will AAA buy me a Safari Gard bumper? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org When I was looking into bumpers, SG had a wait of several months...put that order in now while waiting for the settlement. Though they might not be excited about hearing that you want to put on a bumper that's not stock or approved for on-road use. Bettter to just get the estimates and collect the check, then go shopping. YMMV. I lucked out. Four Wheel Parts was having one of their silly ten percent off and free shipping sales on everything they sell. So I got a ARB winch bumper non-airbag for just over $600 and no shipping. Freight on that thing would have added significant dollars. Not quite as elegant as the SG, but very stout at half the cost. The difference in approach angle hasn't been an issue, but I don't rock crawl. Ah, I digress.... Good Luck! Eric Fournier On Tuesday, July 15, 2003, at 07:09 AM, Gomes, David wrote: > > That's (almost) exactly what Progressive did for me when I hit the > deer with > the D1 on the way to Mendo back when. They said, "We make the > estimate and > cut the check. It's up to you how you want to spend it." I got a > non-winch > ARB from Bill Davis as I needed urban assault protection and ultimate > approach angle wasn't key to me. After the way Ho's SG bumper [ 18 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Tue Jul 15 10:40:13 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h6FEeDix006526 for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 10:40:13 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h6FEeDTR006525 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 10:40:13 -0400 Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 10:40:13 -0400 Message-Id: <200307151440.h6FEeDJS006521@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Fil F." To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: roof top tents Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ image/pjpeg; name="DCP_4056.JPG" ] [ 4090 lines filtered. ] here's a Hannibal roof top tent on a RRIII , it as sports a Hannibal roof rack, i like it :) cheers, fil _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail From bens Tue Jul 15 11:27:38 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h6FFRcix006723 for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 11:27:38 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h6FFRcpl006722 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 11:27:38 -0400 Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 11:27:38 -0400 Message-Id: <200307151527.h6FFRcg9006718@minbar.fourfold.org> From: joe mulqueen To: mendo Subject: re. Re: was DII advice now What happened? and pop up towing Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Ben, How are those hidden wires that should be minding their own business shorting out? Joe Mulqueen '67 SIIA 109 SW Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 11:15:15 -0400 From: Benjamin Smith Subject: Re: was DII advice now What happened? and pop up towing .....I've had fuel pump failures twice on the DI now......was a short in the wiring harness below the rear window in the roof side. ...... __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From bens Tue Jul 15 11:35:45 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h6FFZjix006761 for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 11:35:45 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h6FFZja2006760 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 11:35:45 -0400 Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 11:35:45 -0400 Message-Id: <200307151535.h6FFZjVU006756@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Benjamin Smith To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: re. Re: was DII advice now What happened? and pop up towing Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In message <200307151527.h6FFRcg9006718@minbar.fourfold.org>you wrote: > How are those hidden wires that should be minding > their own business shorting out? They run the harness along bottom of the roof on the left side where the roof bolts to the tops of the sides. About every foot there is an approx 1/2 inch metal tab that sticks up. So the harness is between this tab and the side of the roof. Kept in like this: | | | XX | | XX | |~~~~' |---- | Where X is the harness. Well the wires rubbed against the metal tab until the insulation was worn away. Then they happly shorted to the steel ground of the tab. If memory serves, the "harness" was just a bunch of wires held together every so often, so there wasn't even a sheath to wear through first. Just the insulation on each wire. Ben From bens Tue Jul 15 11:57:32 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h6FFvWix006922 for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 11:57:32 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h6FFvWxN006921 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 11:57:32 -0400 Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 11:57:32 -0400 Message-Id: <200307151557.h6FFvWqQ006917@minbar.fourfold.org> From: joe mulqueen To: mendo Subject: re. RE: 110 woes resolved, more questions arise... Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Jason, I want to watch! Another thing you could do is place jack stands under the rear axle and run the drivetrain. Put tranny in 4th gear and work the throttle with left hand while kneeling on ground below driver's door. There may not be enough driveline resistance to recreate the sound but it's an easy technique. Another thing, if the sound only occurs with weight on the tires also inspect the rims for being loose or cracked. Joe Mulqueen '67 SIIA 109 SW Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 09:54:34 -0400 From: "Gomes, David" Subject: RE: 110 woes resolved, more questions arise... ......There should be enough room under there to lay down and let Petra drive over you (tell her not to get any ideas....) Lots of times the source of drive line noises become REALLY obvious when you don't have all that pesky bodywork stuff between you and the source. - -Dave G. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From bens Tue Jul 15 12:14:17 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h6FGEHix007082 for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 12:14:17 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h6FGEHwA007081 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 12:14:17 -0400 Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 12:14:17 -0400 Message-Id: <200307151614.h6FGEH5k007076@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: The Early Days, was Re: Another Norcal LR club? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org > You should write an article for the NCRC newsletter on the LROA and > other > pre-NCRC NoCal LR activities. Too many don't know about what was > happening only 7 or 8 years ago, especially with so many new, > non series, owners. If you want a history of LRO for the NCRC newsletter the person to ask is Jim Allen. Jim got his start in 4X4 writing as the editor of The Aluminum Workhorse. LRO's equivalent to the annual mend recce meet was a black rock desert trip. One tradition on that trip was people trying to outdo each other with gourmet cooking. Nice group of people. I got verbal invites each year and each year turned it down because the run always conflicted with the Santa Cruz County fair in September. I showed dairy goats at that fair and was leader of 4H goat and rabbit groups who were also showing there. I've always felt that I missed something special by not going on at least one of them. Baja was another favorite haunt of the Snivelers. LRO's equivalent of the lazy Bugger sub group was the Snivelers. That group included Gordon Kallio, Lynn Helm and Domingos Dias. Those were the days when Scotty was active in the group with his ex-mod 109 two door expedition equipped rig. That was the first long range expedition equipped Land Rover I had seen and the one that got me started thinking about converting The Green Rover into one. If you want history, contact Jim Allen and ask about LRO, the Snivelers, black rock and Baja trips. Personally I think the most interesting story would be what happened to the LRO treasury when the club ran out of steam. He might write an article just out of nostalgia. TeriAnn J. Wakeman Marigold Ltd. www.marigoldltd.com From bens Tue Jul 15 12:52:40 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h6FGqdix007247 for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 12:52:40 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h6FGqdpf007246 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 12:52:39 -0400 Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 12:52:39 -0400 Message-Id: <200307151652.h6FGqdLm007242@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Gbrovers@aol.com To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: The Early Days, was Re: Another Norcal LR club? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset="US-ASCII" ] [ 29 lines filtered. ] In a message dated 7/15/03 9:16:41 AM, twakeman@cruzers.com writes: > Personally I think the most interesting story would be what happened to > the LRO treasury when the club ran out of steam. He might write an > article just out of nostalgia > TeriAnn Mike Carradine would be the one to chat with this about. The treasury had about $1,500 when the club folded and supposedly the money was going to be distributed back to the membership list. I was the regional coordinator for Mountain States chapter of the LROA. Did my response post to your email of a couple of weeks ago on the lro list about parabolic springs. I was harrassing you a bit but I think it got lost in the electronic ozone. Bill GBR From bens Tue Jul 15 12:53:23 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h6FGrNix007260 for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 12:53:23 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h6FGrNH6007259 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 12:53:23 -0400 Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 12:53:22 -0400 Message-Id: <200307151653.h6FGrMaM007255@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Blair Peterson" To: "Mendo \(E-mail\)" Subject: lunch today Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Sorry, can't make it. I incorrectly had it on my radar as tomorrow. Somebody have the chicken tikka masala for me... Cheers, Blair Who's 109 is still coated with Mendo_Mud (the snow and ice finally melted). This message (including any attachments) may contain confidential, proprietary and privileged information intended for the specific individual or entity addressed, and is protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient you must not disseminate, forward, print or copy it in any form or take any action or reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender immediately by replying to this message or by calling +1 510-844-3034 . Thank you. From bens Tue Jul 15 13:00:41 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h6FH0fix007284 for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 13:00:41 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h6FH0fPL007283 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 13:00:41 -0400 Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 13:00:41 -0400 Message-Id: <200307151700.h6FH0fdm007279@minbar.fourfold.org> From: joe mulqueen To: mendo Subject: re. WCB and clutch Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Charles, That price sounds about right for a complete R&R done at a Bay Area "for profit" repair shop. $200+ (your cost when bought from repair shop) for all the parts and 6-7 hrs labor. Yes, you should do it yourself. The entire job could be done in a few hours with a few enthusiasts helping. I'll show! Easiest/safest/cheapest way is to simply buy all new parts (including hose and Cu washer) from BP or equiv. As for DOT 5 Silicone, I converted my '60 corvette and drove it for 8 yrs (now gone) with the stuff but I'd think carefully before doing it again. True, it doesn't absorb moisture or eat paint BUT consider: 1)If you have a single fluid reservoir for both clutch and brake the entire hydraulic system needs changing (including flushing the pipes). 2)If you have separate reservoirs and end up one with DOT5 silicone and one regular fluid, you'll always need to remember that. 3) It's much more difficult to remove tiny suspended bubbles in silicone fluid. Bubbles make for a mushy peddle. Even with no bubbles, silicone is a bit more compressible and you'll end up with more peddle travel. For a Series 109 SW brake system, this is a concern since it's already mediocre at best. [By the way, has your truck been upgraded to a booster?] My vote is Castrol LMA (Low Moisture Absorbtion - avail at Pep Boys), drive your truck at least a few times per month and bleed the fluids every 1-2 years. Joe Mulqueen '67 SIIA 109 SW Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 22:07:37 -0400 From: charles phu Subject: WCB and clutch As I mentioned earlier, I had my 109 towed to Mike at WCB last Thursday to get my clutch checked and repaired after I experienced a non complete operable clutch. Today he called me and quoted about $750 for replacing both master and slave cylinders and all the clutch hydraulic stuff with labor. I understand rebuilding both cylinders would be close to this number because the fender and the floor have to come off, but it seems to me still too much for such job and I don't have this budget for the moment. He said that since he doesn't know what goes wrong so he has to do the checking for all the clutch system, which requires such labor. No alternative he said. I am wondering if it is true? I would love to do the job myself but I am wondering how difficlut it would be, with the fact that it might be difficult for me to find time to do it. any advise would be welcomed! charles __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From bens Tue Jul 15 13:01:31 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h6FH1Vix007301 for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 13:01:31 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h6FH1Vwv007300 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 13:01:31 -0400 Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 13:01:31 -0400 Message-Id: <200307151701.h6FH1VWZ007296@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Benjamin Smith To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: The Early Days, was Re: Another Norcal LR club? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In message <200307151652.h6FGqdLm007242@minbar.fourfold.org>you wrote: > Mike Carradine would be the one to chat with this about. The treasury > had about $1,500 when the club folded and supposedly the money was going to b > distributed back to the membership list. So the club finally folded? When did that happen? I remember a number of public exchanges with Mike Carradine about LROA, the bank account (at that time rumored to be $10,000) and the lack of a newsletter. When did the club formally die? Ben From bens Tue Jul 15 13:09:33 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h6FH9Xix007352 for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 13:09:33 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h6FH9XnZ007348 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 13:09:33 -0400 Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 13:09:33 -0400 Message-Id: <200307151709.h6FH9XQs007341@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: WCB and clutch Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Methinketh that WCB is either charging just over $100 per hour for labor, or they're charging by the PITA-ness of the job to be done! (judging by other things I've heard lately, I think it's more like how they feel when they wake up in the morning!) It's a 5-hour job if you're REALLY working at it and not being interrupted - air tools or no air tools. This included the time it takes to remove the flywheel - but not the time it takes to take the flywheel to be surfaced. Charles On Tue, 15 Jul 2003 00:07:22 -0400 john hess writes: > > Charles, > > You must do it yourself. Follow the workshop manual for clutch > master > removal. Install a brand spankin new one if you don't want to > rebuild > your old one. Install a new clutch slave. The clutch slave is > removable [ 28 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! From bens Tue Jul 15 13:09:34 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h6FH9Yix007355 for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 13:09:34 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h6FH9YPu007354 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 13:09:34 -0400 Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 13:09:33 -0400 Message-Id: <200307151709.h6FH9XUT007347@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: The Early Days, was Re: Another Norcal LR club? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org ...LROA folded????? When? (I was just given one of their newsletters.......3 years ago!) Charles On Tue, 15 Jul 2003 12:52:39 -0400 Gbrovers@aol.com writes: > > [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] > [ text/html; charset="US-ASCII" ] > [ 29 lines filtered. ] > > > > In a message dated 7/15/03 9:16:41 AM, twakeman@cruzers.com writes: > [ 25 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! From bens Tue Jul 15 13:12:48 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h6FHCmix007375 for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 13:12:48 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h6FHCmra007374 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 13:12:48 -0400 Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 13:12:48 -0400 Message-Id: <200307151712.h6FHCmDd007370@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Charles R Irvin To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: re. WCB and clutch Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I forgot to mention what Joe sez: My time alloted also does not include rebuilding cylinders - just replacing the clutch itself. Charles I. (in groggy mode this morning) On Tue, 15 Jul 2003 13:00:41 -0400 joe mulqueen writes: > > Charles, > That price sounds about right for a complete R&R done > at a Bay Area "for profit" repair shop. $200+ (your > cost when bought from repair shop) for all the parts > and 6-7 hrs labor. > Yes, you should do it yourself. The entire job could > be done in a few hours with a few enthusiasts helping. > I'll show! Easiest/safest/cheapest way is to simply [ 59 additional quoted lines pruned. ] ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! From bens Tue Jul 15 13:16:07 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h6FHG7ix007389 for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 13:16:07 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h6FHG78S007388 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 13:16:07 -0400 Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 13:16:06 -0400 Message-Id: <200307151716.h6FHG6or007384@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Joe Ward To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: re. WCB and clutch Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org If it's a party, can I come? I'm getting tired of mopping up the brake fluid on the floor (presumably) from the clutch master. Joe Ward Technical Writer ventaso 415.364.6475 jward@ventaso.com Ventaso - the Customer Message Management solution. www.ventaso.com >> The entire job could be done in a few hours with a few enthusiasts helping. I'll show! Easiest/safest/cheapest way is to simply buy all new parts (including hose and Cu washer) from BP or equiv. From bens Tue Jul 15 13:20:46 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h6FHKkix007423 for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 13:20:46 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h6FHKkim007422 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 13:20:46 -0400 Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 13:20:45 -0400 Message-Id: <200307151720.h6FHKjfV007418@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: roof top tents Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org I worry about such things as becoming top heavy, climbing the ladder at night after sampling the single malts and of waking up before dawn with a full bladder after sampling duretics the previous evening. I've tried the Carannex and Coverall Europe tents that attach to the rear. They fit two cots side by side with no side by side floor space left and are almost impossible to redock to. Also the top is flat and supported by a rectangular frame. Makes for a great catch basin in a heavy rain. It seems the best I've seen so far is the military rear tent. This is basically a large canvas wall tent with one end opened up for docking. I've thought it might be interesting to see one of the big modern nylon wall tents with one wall modified by a local awning /custom tent company for docking. For speed of deployment the rear tent design of the Carawagon conversion is just about unbeatable. TeriAnn J. Wakeman Marigold Ltd. www.marigoldltd.com From bens Tue Jul 15 13:44:57 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h6FHivix007480 for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 13:44:57 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h6FHivsw007479 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 13:44:57 -0400 Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 13:44:57 -0400 Message-Id: <200307151744.h6FHivbv007475@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: The Early Days, was Re: Another Norcal LR club? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- Benjamin Smith wrote: > >> > Mike Carradine would be the one to chat with this > about. The treasury > > had about $1,500 when the club folded and supposedly > the money was going to b > > distributed back to the membership list. oh year...remember talk on LRO there...Dixon had been fuming for years by than... > So the club finally folded? When did that happen? I > remember a > number of public exchanges with Mike Carradine about > LROA, the bank account > (at that time rumored to be $10,000) and the lack of a > newsletter. When did > the club formally die? ooh! so loooong ago...preally it died when John Hess stepped down as pres!!! and by default Carradine took over? I recall there being mucho funds there, both figures mentioned were bandied about at the time..... If I recall, the next year they started teh nevada team trophy challenge for proffit using the LROA treasury as seed money, wsn't that it? Correct me if I am wrong, but wasn't that a Carradine/Mike Green venture? hmm! whatever happened to Carradine anyway? havn't heard anything or ages... Paul(with many old copies of The Aluminum Workhorse in the file cabinet.....too bad it wasn't given to Brad so he could fulfill his dream of makngit into a REAL magazine. looking at things, I'm still as sure it would have worked as when we stood around in my driveway years ago talking about it....but Carradine wouldn't have it as I recall...wanting his finger in it or someting...anyway...where is Brad these days? last time i saw him he was coming back from Texas, I think... but...not heard a peep for years.. Paul __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From bens Tue Jul 15 13:53:54 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h6FHrsix007528 for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 13:53:54 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h6FHrsRs007527 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 13:53:54 -0400 Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 13:53:53 -0400 Message-Id: <200307151753.h6FHrrSK007523@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Jason Pipes" To: Subject: RE: lunch today Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 24 lines filtered. ] Blair, others, Emeryville lunch is tomorrow, Wed, July 16th, not today! http://www.norcalrover.org/calendar/el_071603.html jpipes From bens Tue Jul 15 14:01:57 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h6FI1vix007607 for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 14:01:57 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h6FI1vGM007606 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 14:01:57 -0400 Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 14:01:57 -0400 Message-Id: <200307151801.h6FI1vIV007602@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Thomas Joyner To: Mendo List Subject: back to what happened? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Charles, Yes I did just put a new engine in it. Even with that I'm ready to concede defeat on the RR front. However, it does still carry some value and I will plow that right back into the new rover I'll likely be buying. The classic has been a fantastic vehicle for the 6 years I've had it but it barely meets the needs of a growing family unfortunately. Tom From bens Tue Jul 15 14:08:15 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h6FI8Fix007655 for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 14:08:15 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h6FI8FCa007654 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 14:08:15 -0400 Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 14:08:15 -0400 Message-Id: <200307151808.h6FI8Fwl007650@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Thomas Joyner To: Mendo List Subject: towing the pop up Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org David, I agree, I am going to start the process of figuring out how to add brakes to the pop up. We used to have a diesel 2500 suburban that would haul that 2600lb trailer as if it were not even attached. We got rid of it when my wife, pregnant with our third, decided that lifting three kids up into the vehicle would be asking too much of herself (not to mention driving that huge vehicle around town). She traded it for a '99 honda Odyssey that suprisingly has been a very good family vehicle. Tom From bens Tue Jul 15 14:09:49 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h6FI9nix007688 for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 14:09:49 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h6FI9n9L007687 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 14:09:49 -0400 Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 14:09:48 -0400 Message-Id: <200307151809.h6FI9mpe007683@minbar.fourfold.org> From: TeriAnn Wakeman To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: The Early Days, was Re: Another Norcal LR club? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org >> Personally I think the most interesting story would be what happened >> to >> the LRO treasury when the club ran out of steam. > > Mike Carradine would be the one to chat with this about. The treasury > had about $1,500 when the club folded and supposedly the money was > going to be > distributed back to the membership list. I wonder if anyone saw any money from that? > Did my response post to your email of a couple of weeks ago on the lro > list about parabolic springs. I was harrassing you a bit but I think > it got > lost in the electronic ozone. Special server based Teflon armor software. Stops harassment before the list gets it. 8*) TeriAnn J. Wakeman Marigold Ltd. www.marigoldltd.com From bens Tue Jul 15 14:17:05 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h6FIH5ix007713 for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 14:17:05 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h6FIH5XK007712 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 14:17:05 -0400 Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 14:17:05 -0400 Message-Id: <200307151817.h6FIH568007708@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Thomas Joyner To: Mendo List Subject: Roof top tents Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org David, One of the british LR mags recently did a side by side comparison of two major brand folding roof top tents. If you'd like I can xerox and send. Let me know. Tom From bens Tue Jul 15 14:29:58 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h6FITwix007784 for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 14:29:58 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h6FITwsX007783 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 14:29:58 -0400 Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 14:29:57 -0400 Message-Id: <200307151829.h6FITvEv007779@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Benjamin Smith To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: The Early Days, was Re: Another Norcal LR club? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org In message <200307151744.h6FHivbv007475@minbar.fourfold.org>you wrote: > ooh! so loooong ago...really it died when John Hess > stepped down as pres!!! and by default Carradine took over? Mike maintained that it was an active club after he took over. I had a number of public heated exchanges with him after this point in time. And I think there was at least one Aluminum Workhorse after this point. My question was when was the club formally declared to be dead by Mike. > If I recall, the next year they started teh nevada team > trophy challenge for proffit using the LROA treasury as > seed money, wsn't that it? Correct me if I am wrong, but > wasn't that a Carradine/Mike Green venture? LROA used it's funds to "sponsor" events. I recall the 2nd Desert Pro Challenge to be a LROA event. What was that, 1997? 1998? At the same time LROA approched the Owls Head Transportation Museum (Maine) to sponsor the annual LR gathering there. That action drove the wedge between Owl's Head and the LR event Organizer, Myles Murphy. It wasn't Myles' event anymore. The result? A great LR event that went on for over a decade died. Ben From bens Tue Jul 15 14:47:51 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h6FIlpix007872 for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 14:47:51 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h6FIlpDr007871 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 14:47:51 -0400 Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 14:47:50 -0400 Message-Id: <200307151847.h6FIlo4W007867@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Jason Pipes" To: Subject: Rover Rendezvous at Big Bear July 25-27th, 2003 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hey everyone! NCRC is helping in this years massive Rover Rendezvous at Big Bear in the beautiful San Bernardino Mountains. Last years event saw about 150 Land Rovers take part, more than any other event on the West Coast if I'm not mistaken. This years event is shaping up to be even bigger with an expected turn-out of close to 200 Land Rovers. Preparations are now underway to make this event, complete with a full dinner on Saturday night, over $5000 worth of prizes, tee-shirts, and much more, a great event. A contingent from NCRC is helping to plan and prepare for this event along with a number of other West Coast LR clubs. I would like to make a call for all those who would like to attend this event. If you are planning to attend or are considering attending, please let me know ASAP. For those interested, a convoy is being arranged that will be heading down to the event from the Bay Area. Additional information on this event can be found here: http://roverrendezvous.com/ Thanks!! jpipes From bens Tue Jul 15 14:53:09 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h6FIr9ix007907 for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 14:53:09 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h6FIr9Ke007906 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 14:53:09 -0400 Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 14:53:09 -0400 Message-Id: <200307151853.h6FIr9cR007902@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Gomes, David" To: "'mendo_recce@fourfold.org'" Subject: RE: towing the pop up Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org "....a '99 honda Odyssey that surprisingly has been a very good family vehicle...." Oh I'm not too surprised. Combine a very practical concept with one of the best "values based" design teams out there and you're going to get a decent product. We need for Land Rover to build a minivan. The bottom line is they're the hands down most practical family haulers out there. It's just too bad they're all such soul-less boxes. -Dave G. From bens Tue Jul 15 15:57:46 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h6FJvkix008147 for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 15:57:46 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h6FJvkfM008146 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 15:57:46 -0400 Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 15:57:46 -0400 Message-Id: <200307151957.h6FJvkKa008142@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Brian Horner To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Rover Rendezvous at Big Bear July 25-27th, 2003 Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Any Series vehicles making the trudge? Snail Caravan? Brian On Tuesday, July 15, 2003, at 11:47 AM, Jason Pipes wrote: > > Hey everyone! > > NCRC is helping in this years massive Rover Rendezvous at Big Bear in > the > beautiful San Bernardino Mountains. Last years event saw about 150 Land > Rovers take part, more than any other event on the West Coast if I'm > not > mistaken. [ 31 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Tue Jul 15 16:01:48 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h6FK1mix008173 for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 16:01:48 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h6FK1mT5008172 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 16:01:48 -0400 Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 16:01:48 -0400 Message-Id: <200307152001.h6FK1mcg008168@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bruce Grove To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: roof top tents Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org If you're going to go in that direction you should just get one of the driveaway awnings? I used to have one on my Vanagon, the precursor to this one completely self contained and self supporting with a zip up wall for when you're not attached and a suspended inner for sleeping in. It attaches to gutter mounts so either use the existing ones or if there's no mount on the back attach a couple of gutter mountings from Yakima or Thule. Cheers, Bruce TeriAnn Wakeman wrote: > > I've thought it might be interesting to see one of the big modern nylon > wall tents with one wall modified by a local awning /custom tent > company for docking. > > For speed of deployment the rear tent design of the Carawagon > conversion is just about unbeatable. > > TeriAnn J. Wakeman [ 4 additional quoted lines pruned. ] -- Bruce Grove Sun Microsystems Inc. Operating Systems Platform Group 17 Network Circle, UMPK17-202 Tel: +1 (650) 786 5092 (x 85092) Palo Alto Fax: +1 (650) 786 5896 CA, 94025, US From bens Tue Jul 15 16:07:36 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h6FK7aix008224 for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 16:07:36 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h6FK7aGF008223 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 16:07:36 -0400 Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 16:07:36 -0400 Message-Id: <200307152007.h6FK7ak4008219@minbar.fourfold.org> From: charles phu To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: WCB and clutch Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset=us-ascii ] [ 7 lines filtered. ] Hi, Peter, Charles, David, John and Joe, Thanks for the great advise from you all!! I am really encouraged by you all for doing it myself, well, maybe with needing some of your help. I think I'll give Mike at WCB a call later today to hold the job for saving my bloodily earned money, then have the 109 towed back to my place. Then give BP a call for parts, then see when I can find some time to get it all off first and when I would need your help. It doesn't look like I'll have time to do it soon, but sooner or later. Thanks again and I'll keep you posted. charles p. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! From bens Tue Jul 15 16:30:04 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h6FKU4ix008329 for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 16:30:04 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h6FKU4td008328 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 16:30:04 -0400 Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 16:30:03 -0400 Message-Id: <200307152030.h6FKU3te008324@minbar.fourfold.org> From: "Jason Pipes" To: Subject: RE: WCB and clutch Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ Included Original Message ] [ 33 lines filtered. ] Charles, Do you think you'll have a chance to fix the problem before the Black Rock trip in mid-August? If you come, this time it'd be great to have you with us the entire time so you don't have to find us in the middle of nowhere! :) jpipes From bens Tue Jul 15 16:51:27 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h6FKpRix008468 for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 16:51:27 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h6FKpRwZ008467 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 16:51:27 -0400 Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 16:51:26 -0400 Message-Id: <200307152051.h6FKpQG2008463@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Bob & Sue Bernard To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: WCB and clutch Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Hi, I think I'd plan on doing the hydraulic stuff first before removing the tranny to replace the clutch itself. Could be all it needs at the moment. Bob B At 01:07 PM 7/15/2003, you wrote: >Hi, Peter, Charles, David, John and Joe, > >Thanks for the great advise from you all!! I am really encouraged by you >all for doing it myself, well, maybe with needing some of your help. I >think I'll give Mike at WCB a call later today to hold the job for saving >my bloodily earned money, then have the 109 towed back to my place. Then >give BP a call for parts, then see when I can find some time to get it all >off first and when I would need your help. It doesn't look like I'll have >time to do it soon, but sooner or later. [ 9 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Tue Jul 15 17:04:00 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h6FL40ix008504 for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 17:04:00 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h6FL40iB008503 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 17:04:00 -0400 Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 17:04:00 -0400 Message-Id: <200307152104.h6FL409x008499@minbar.fourfold.org> From: John Young To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: Will AAA buy me a Safari Gard bumper? Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Roger Sinasohn asked: > Okay, so yesterday we had a little run in with a taxi driver... (The two > witnesses said it was his fault, btw.) I suspect we'll need a new bumper > on the '99 Disco II. So I'm thinking, a new bumper has got to cost a few > hundred bucks, right? Plus the cost of installing it... What if I paid > the difference in cost and had the shop install a Safari Gard bumper > instead? Would the insurance go for that? Would they need to know? (Mind > you, I'm not trying to scam AAA to get them to pay for everything, but if > they were going to pay, say $300 for the bumper and $300 (or whatever) to > install it, would they care if I chipped in another $1K and the guy [ 1 additional quoted lines pruned. ] As Paul mentioned, the repair estimate may be fairly high. DII parts and labor get expensive *quick*. For instance, $800 to replace two side windows... A *good* insurance company should give you the option of having an appraiser stop by, work up an estimate, and cut you a check directly (instead of simply taking the vehicle to one of their chosen shops). I imagine most people have no idea about how to get a vehicle fixed, and are only too happy to take it to a one-stop shop that the insurance company recommends. Anyway, I know USAA provides the option I mention above -- if AAA doesn't, you should mention that USAA *does*. > Does the Safari Gard bumper work with the airbags, or do they go out the > window? If I want to get a winch, but can't afford it right now, can it be > added easily later? If the Safari Gard doesn't, take a look at the bumper from ARB. It's fine for both of your questions. John Young From bens Tue Jul 15 17:16:30 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h6FLGUix008548 for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 17:16:30 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h6FLGUMI008547 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 17:16:30 -0400 Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 17:16:30 -0400 Message-Id: <200307152116.h6FLGUUh008543@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Joe Ward To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: re. WCB and clutch Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Charles, Do I understand correctly that WCB had no idea what was wrong with the clutch, but was asking you to pay $750 to change the entire clutch hydraulic system anyway? Or had they done some diagnostics to narrow down the problem? Joe Ward >>Today he called me and quoted about $750 for replacing both master and slave cylinders and all the clutch hydraulic stuff with labor... He said that since he doesn't know what goes wrong so he has to do the checking for all the clutch system, which requires such labor. No alternative he said... From bens Tue Jul 15 18:48:04 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h6FMm4ix008681 for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 18:48:04 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h6FMm45p008680 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 18:48:04 -0400 Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 18:48:04 -0400 Message-Id: <200307152248.h6FMm4tg008676@minbar.fourfold.org> From: John Brabyn To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: FW: [PCRC] New Range Rover Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org If it's any help, some of the problems that owners have encountered are listed at http://www.rangerovers.net/rrmkiiiremedies.html -- they are mostly very minor things. Overall everyone agrees it is a fantastically capable vehicle, but still assembled in Solihull by the same quality control experts who brought us the previous models and probably not immune from the same problems. The #59 out of 60 in the JD Powers ratings is not too surprising. Cheers John Todd Schlemmer wrote: >sent to the PCRC list originally - Mendoids? >thanks -Todd >--------------- >Hi y'all > >A friend of mine is considering the purchase of a NEW (pardon the term) >Series III RR. He asked me to opine, but all I have heard/read are the >superlatives in the various Land Rover p@rn magazines. Does anybody know >anything more specific, that might concern a prospective driver? [ 21 additional quoted lines pruned. ] From bens Tue Jul 15 19:23:29 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h6FNNTix008752 for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 19:23:29 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h6FNNTbl008751 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 19:23:29 -0400 Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 19:23:29 -0400 Message-Id: <200307152323.h6FNNTtN008747@minbar.fourfold.org> From: charles phu To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: re. WCB and clutch Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org [ 1 attachment(s) detected and blocked. ] [ text/html; charset=us-ascii ] [ 8 lines filtered. ] I don't think he has done complete diagnostics on the entire clutch system. I think he just estimates it's very likely to be the hydraulic system going wrong, as he checked the linkage travel and thought it is not as much as usual. He mentioned to me that the pressure of the system apparently is low and is likely to be the problem. I sorta had checked that before sending vehicle to him too, also thinking it might just be faulty hydraulic system but not completely sure. cp --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! From bens Tue Jul 15 20:32:33 2003 Received: from minbar.fourfold.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h6G0WXix008843 for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 20:32:33 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h6G0WXIg008842 for mendo_recce-outgoing; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 20:32:33 -0400 Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 20:32:33 -0400 Message-Id: <200307160032.h6G0WXQv008838@minbar.fourfold.org> From: Paul Archibald To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: RE: re. WCB and clutch Sender: owner-mendo_recce@fourfold.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mendo_recce@fourfold.org --- charles phu wrote: > I don't think he has done complete diagnostics on the > entire clutch system. I think he just estimates it's very > likely to be the hydraulic system going wrong, as he > checked the linkage travel and thought it is not as much > as usual. He mentioned to me that the pressure of the > system apparently is low and is likely to be the problem. > I sorta had checked that before sending vehicle to him > too, also thinking it might just be faulty hydraulic > system but not completely sure. I don't recall teh beggining of this problem, what were your symptoms? wasn't it just not engaging the clutch properly?....or slipping?...did you bleed the lines, wsa there leaking onto your floor/foot? (yeah! I got that too, but clutch works fine...need to rebuild...while re-doing my brake system..) Well, Charles, Mike diagnosed our problem as being deep and expensive, starting with a bad coil and ignition amplifier.....I took the Rangie LWB back home, and properly diagnosed it to be just a faulty rotor, and loose ignition pick-up assy. after reinstalling the old rotor, and adjusting teh airgap/tightening the two screws to hold it down tight, all was well, at much less than teh innitial $580.00 that WCB was insisting we needed to spend before he could even continue with the diagnostics...arrrgh! where I'm sure he would have found I needed a new fuel pump, and many more things that were just fine.... my final cost to repair was FREE!!! now to go buy a second replacement rotor as I'd rather not be using the old one with manymiles on it.... Paul __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com